Role playing isn't about numbers you braindead liberals. Go back to that other site if you want to suck off NV's mutilated ex-cock. Roleplaying is about making your own story in the fun world of the game. When you are playing Fo3 or 4 it feels like you are working together with the game to make a really good story. When you are playing NV it feels like reading a chose your own adventure book, except every page is just the same as all the other ones but some of the names of characters are switched out. I made a hundred different unique characters with different playstyles and personalities and stories in Fallout 4. Never once did I cry because I can't just say my speech is 100 and click on the [skip quest] button every time somebody talks to me. I would just do the quest in the way that I wanted my character to do it. Or I would do something else. Only mods I had were ps4 mods. All you have to do is download one tiny little thing, which you can do on any system, to remove the voice so your character doesn't sound the same as your other characters. Turn on subs and maybe turn off dialogue cam. Then go and actually play the video game, unlike in nv where they clearly didn't care at all about the gameplay or anything other than muh lesbians and muh "atmosphere". And the "atmosphere" of NV is inferior by far to 3 anyway. If you knew how to think for yourselves you would realise that you were actually having fun playing 3 and 4. But because drones told you that they don't have as many numbers you have to hate them. Die.
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New Vegas is the chud game
Same with Oblivion obviously. Morrowind is just like nv but a thousand times worse. You have to grind(mindlessly press left click for hours and hours) to actually be able to do anything. When people talk about things you can do in a game, they usually mean all you have to do is buy the game and play it to do those things, but in morrowind you have to spend days just clicking the same button over and over again. You make an alchemy class? Just try to go pick some ingredients. You can't lol, your number is too low! There is only a 0.0002% chance that you will get an ingredient. Same with everything else in the game. None of it is you doing anything, it's just dice rolls which are almost always 1s. And that cyoa book thing is like literally in morowind. every npc has copy pasted dialogue. And I know this from not even finishing the first dungeon or anything. There is so much copied that you will see it the moment you start "playing".
>can't read half a paragraph
Are you the best judge of what is based? Well doesn't matter I'm sure you agree.
>When you are playing Fo3 or 4 it feels like you are working together with the game to make a really good story.
in other words
>the game doesn't have to be good or well written, you just have to pretend it's good and make up your own fun!
ofcourse by that logic every game is an RPG
They are good written you fucking retard. NV isn't. Not that it matters when it's not a fucking book.
>writing in NV
>see [speech to skip quest] in every dialogue box
>insta click it, don't even have to read or know what is happening
>do this like four times and the game is over
The in universe explanation be like:
>I know english so I don't have to do this quest.
>I know about economics or something so I don't have to fight the final boss.
>Not that it matters when it's not a fucking book.
this bro really said writing doesn't matter in a genre where story is the most important part, Fallout 3&4 fans are no different than the average CoD bro
Maybe if you read the thread you would understand role playing, but you didn't. The story is what you make in collaboration with the game, not what the devs wrote down. The devs' jobs were to make a game where you can have those kinds of experiences. And they acheived that in Fallout 3 and 4 and Oblivion. Written story is never the most important part of any game. You sound like that retard jap who hates the word jrpg because he doesn't know what an rpg even is and thinks that visual novels are.
i did read you morons, and i read it again and lost even more braincels, in NV you could actually do whatever the fuck you want without having to gaslight yourself and making up your own story, you can simply just do it and the game will always have an different outcome for your action, sure you could just speech 100 and skip some quests but that doesn't really matter since you still have to make a hard choice everytime, there is no "nuke an entire city for no reason at all or dont" type of choices, you actually need to think about the consequences of each action since there are rarely any black and white option, THATS what roleplaying is, THATS what writing is, changing your build from melee to guns and killing the good guys instead of the bad guys isn't "roleplaying", it's action shooter mainstream goyslop for morons like you.
>there are outcomes
Name a single one in the entire game.
>you have to think
No, all options are the exact same, except fr the skip quest one which is still saying the same thing but this time the quest marker goes away.
>switching melee guns good guys bad guys
Fucking learn how to READ! You did not read shit and you don't deserve to be alive!
>Name a single one in the entire game.
now compare the table of content to this
>No, all options are the exact same, except fr the skip quest one which is still saying the same thing but this time the quest marker goes away.
How are they all the same exactly?
>Fucking learn how to READ! You did not read shit and you don't deserve to be alive!
you keep saying read and i keep reading and it's all the same conclusion, you're simply a subhuman who doesn't understand RPGs and is too ashamed to admit that he simply likes Call of Duty
Remember to kys for not reading the OP. It's only like seven sentences long you idiot.
>They are good written
Great post. Can't even write shit. You know you can just go to canada where you belong, and someone will kill you for you?
I can tell you to have a nice day and deliver my message in a few words, you spent the entirety of the OP telling us 3 and 4 are better to role play in because.... they just are ok???? Handwaving away the railroaded quests with "I would just do the quest in the way that I wanted my character to do it. Or I would do something else" was funny though I'll grant you that. As is calling NV the game that just has you skip shit when literally the only choices of consequence in 3's main quest are the options to skip Galaxy News Radio and Paradise Lost via speech checks. The bottom line is NV allows you to actually express your character in the vast majority of its quests, and still has whatever nebulous free-form roleplaying magic you're attributing to 3 and 4 alone.
In other words more lying. Or you could explain what you mean, oh wait you don't mean anything. You're just lying so that hopefully everyone will think nV is the best that can be done and your employers(obsidian probably) won't have to do anything but make "if your number is this high then the game is over and if not read a magazine" gameplay over and over again. Kys now.
I've stated nothing but objective facts, die.
Lmao hilarious. Post evidence then if you're that kind of chud.
Post one example of
>it allows you to express your character
and one example f a
>non railroaded quest in nv
and one example of
>a choice with consequence
You zoomy chudy.
The fact that you think those are 3 distinct things is cute, do you just not understand the words?
>I claimed there were several reasons why x is better than y because I'm lying and retarded
>what do you mean you want me to give examples of several things?
Then just name one. You can't do it, can you?
Beyond the Beef
>beyond the beef
Fucking kys. You explain to me what choices there are with consequences you idiot. that's what I asked you. How is it not railroaded? How does it allow you to express your fucking character? It doesn't does it?
>wah wah I dun geddit
Not my problem. Play the game, read the wiki or stfu.
>cries because defending itself is too hard
>I will say him WAAH WAAH!!!
Dude just die! Do you have to actually achieve something to get paid? Because if so you're going to have accept you're going to be broke. There is no consequences to anything in fnv and there never will be.
Beyond the Beef
>still can't name any consequence an action has in the game.
>STILL after all this time
So you get paid for number of posts? If they actually checked this low effort crap you would be fired. They won't put effort into their games but I'm sure they expect you to put effort into making sure that they don't have to put effort into their games.
You can kill anyone in New Vegas. More than can be said about betheschud games, lol.
>you can kill anyone
>which does nothing at all
>wants to kill everybody
Why not? What if you want role play as a psychopath that doesn’t give a shit about greater happenings?
>that's stupid and not fun in a single player game, but if you do who cares? You can do that in beth.
Because f3 and 4 don't have any. They're fun and actually have stuff happening in the engine/virtual world. How dare they, when they could just have everything "happen" within the numbers of a character sheet?
>"Can't look at the numbers, so that means you can't make a guy."
Do you hear yourself? Or do you just care about the money?
That first line wasn't supposed to be green.
Oh are you an authority on what people find fun? But that’s not the point you asked why and I gave you an answer
So beth is bad because it doesn't let you do something no one would want to do because it's unfun?
You mean something that YOU don’t want to do right? Speak for yourself dude
Good morning sirs, many blessings be upon you
This is literally why I don't see the point in pretending you're "roleplaying" in something like an FPS.
The experience is so shallow, claiming it has depth of RP in it just makes you sound like an idiot.
Nice blog post Todd
minecraft is an rpg confirmed
No because it's all up to you. You can't really make a story unless you do every single thing yourself.
Play the game dude. It's not shallow.
I have, probably more times than you. Same with NV. Same with 4.
The RP experience in all of them, and other games like them(not that there are many), is indeed shallow as fuck and only boils down to numbers and skill selections. Everything else you've been prattling about is just self-written fanfiction you can - and are better off doing - write outside the game, since it has absolutely no fucking impact whatsoever in the game itself.
The game does not care if you write yourself a backstore about being a cute transexual furry - it still considers you the Vault Kid, it still dictates your daddy, the main quest and all sidequests are always the same, and everyone always has the same dialogue. Your fanfiction changes nothing in it.
>in all of them is just numbers
Only NV. You have not played them all if you don't know that, gay.
>no impact on the game itself
It's not supposed to, dummy. It's supposed to be an experince for you.
>just write a story on paper
Defeats the purpose of a role playing GAME. In a game you can't just decide what happens, you can only decide what you do about it, and the game decides what happens. You work together. You can be surprised or the direction of your story can be forced to change because of what happens in the game engine.
>if you don't like the chud game you're a chud
>quests are always the same
I have a different experience every time. If you didn't that's on you for not understanding roleplaying games.
>fanfiction changes nothing in the game
Again, it's not supposed to.
A good roleplaying game would show the players impact to the the world
No it wouldn't, that's completely unnecessary. But you know what, Fallout 3 and 4 actually do o this, and nv doesn't. In fact nv ended right after one of the factions gets btfo just because they were too scared to even try to show an impact.
It does matter in an RPG it’s important to show how your actions affect the world even on a small scale for example shoot the war memorial in Boulder City pisses off Pvt. Kowalski who then tell others that you did it and your rep with the NCR goes down, there can’t be cause without effect. Also they didn’t add in an end game due to time constraints
>then yur rep goes down
Lol more numbers that mean nothing. Unlike bethesda where you would actually experience something.
>can't be cause without effect
But it doesn't have to affect le whole entire HEKKIN WURLD!!!, it only has to affect you the player and your story. Meaningless numbers do not do that. And you can bypass these retarded numbers by reading a magazine, fag.
>Lol more numbers that mean nothing. Unlike bethesda where you would actually experience something
You’re aware all game are just numbers right? But how those numbers translate to gameplay and story and effect them is what matter
>But it doesn't have to affect le whole entire HEKKIN WURLD!!!, it only has to affect you the player and your story. Meaningless numbers do not do that. And you can bypass these retarded numbers by reading a magazine, fag
Yeah they do your intelligence for example determines how smart your character is as well as dictating the level of skills like science, medicine, and repair and that in turn translates to gameplay ie at Camp Forlorn Hope you can provide medical care to wounded soldiers and your success is based on your medical ability (medicine skill).
>how they translate to gameplay and story
They don't translate to gameplay and story in NV. It's just numbers on a sheet. gay.
>determines how smart
No it doesn't. If you need a number on a character sheet to decide how smart you are or your character is, you LITERALLY are a drone. A mindless npc. In a roleplaying game, you decide how smart you are. In nv, nothing does because there is no character, no story. It's a nothing.
It affects more meaningless numbers. Wow.
>numbers let you click on the skip quest option!
It does not affect the story at all. Skipping "quests" that are in reality nothing has no impact on you or what you're trying to do. Using your heckin high number to make an npc stop laying down in bed doesn't do anything. NOTHING DOES ANYTHING IN THIS GAME! Nothing happens!
Have you ever played any RPGs that aren’t Skyrim or Fallout 3 & 4? Because they’re all like that your stats which are just numbers indicate your characters abilities and what options you have for things like quest and dialogue
>they're all like that
Return to japan right now and keep crying about muh american racists. No one will play another final fantasy game a gain retard.
I was talking about oblivion you imbecile
1. Never brought up anything about racism schizo and I don’t play jrpgs
2.If you’ve played oblivion the you should already know it has a class system that allows you to pick a class that goes with a certain skills and abilities that suit a certain play style that effects the quests you do as well as your approach to situations
>never talked about racism
He doesn't get it
>Oblivion had classes so this means you're wrong?
>He doesn't get it
Then explain it to me, no need to be timid
Okay I’ll put this in very simple terms
>class effects way you play game
>some class not do some quest
>some class fight different
>some class effect how do quest
>some class not used some equipment
It’s not that hard, and remember this is about role playing
>class effects way you play game
Not really. You do. You just decide how you want to play, regardless of class.
>some class not do some quest
This is a lie. Any class can do any quest in the entire game.
>some class muh combat
Dude what is even your point about this?
>some class effect how do quest
Not role playing, that's a numbers thing. Learn how to read
>some class not use some equipment
Another lie, you can use anything as anybody.
>this is about role playing
Every thing you said was about numbers shit, and most were untrue. Kys.
>keeps making disingenuous argument’s pretending to be dense
You know exactly what I’m talking about stop pretending just for the sake of your argument all rpgs involve numbers and have stats that effect the way you go through the game but you won’t admit that because your in to deep so you just keep acting retarded and typing kys. How about you tell me how classes don’t effect how you role play?
>the FUNNY word again
Kek I thought you stopped saying it but you've said it twice today. Relapsing?
>all rpgs involve numbers and have stats
You don't know what an rpg is. Like I said, return to japan and cry about no one playing your game, ff man.
>how do classes not do this thing they don't do
They just don't. How do you not fly? Classes don't cause you to choose which actions you want to take, it's the other way around. You choose a class based on what you think you're going to be doing. Classes shouldn't exist in beth games or any role playing games which is why they were removed. They can get in the way of your story and character evolving if they are the only skills you can use.
> You don't know what an rpg is. Like I said, return to japan and cry about no one playing your game, ff man
So know nothing about RPGs because if you did you’d know that many western RPGs including the fallout series base there systems on ttrpgs Fallout 1 was originally based on GURPS
> They just don't. How do you not fly? Classes don't cause you to choose which actions you want to take, it's the other way around. You choose a class based on what you think you're going to be doing. Classes shouldn't exist in beth games or any role playing games which is why they were removed. They can get in the way of your story and character evolving if they are the only skills you can use
Dude how old are you? Genuinely because all this tells me is that you have only played simplified AAA RPGs next you’ll tell me you’ve never played FO1 or Morrowind.
>base their systems on ACK
Does not make them role playing games. You need role playing in them to be role playing games.
>random overused trivia
death is free
>simplified aaa rpgs
I know what role playing means. you don't. there is nothing simplified about Oblivion or fallout 3 or 4. They actually used their brains to make these games unlike the bots who made nv. they didn't have brains.
>never played fo1
Why would you think this? Because you're a fat retard.
Is the worst thing on the plant. not only is it not an rpg, it's not a game. Mindlessly mashing left click for hours is not a game. Maybe if you could read you would already know I talked about this already.
>Does not make them role playing games. You need role playing in them to be role playing games
You’ve never played tabletop have you?
> I know what role playing means. you don't. there is nothing simplified about Oblivion or fallout 3 or 4. They actually used their brains to make these games unlike the bots who made nv. they didn't have brains
no I don’t think you do you think that classes (the role that you play) don’t matter in and RPG (Role Playing Game)
> Why would you think this? Because you're a fat retard
> Is the worst thing on the plant. not only is it not an rpg, it's not a game. Mindlessly mashing left click for hours is not a game. Maybe if you could read you would already know I talked about this already
Got filtered that hard huh? Its cool most zoomers do
In tabletop games you work with the GM to make your own story in his fun world. Which is what you do in Fallout 3 and 4. retard, can you not read?
>classes are the role that you play
Holy shit I'm scared for the human race. I mean I know you aren't one but you're still on the planet. Why can't you read/ If you think classes are roles you NEED to die.
Everyone did. It's the best filter in the world, just a titanium sheet. If you play this you don't even deserve to die. But I will let you anyway because it's the right thing to do. Seriously how can you possibly defend Morrowind? Explain rn. Respond to my shit from
and other posts where I explain why it's bad and how you have to be a mindless chud drone to even have played past the first town or so.
> In tabletop games you work with the GM to make your own story in his fun world. Which is what you do in Fallout 3 and 4. retard, can you not read
There is no GM retard it’s not literally a ttrpg only the systems are based off of it
> Holy shit I'm scared for the human race. I mean I know you aren't one but you're still on the planet. Why can't you read/ If you think classes are roles you NEED to die
Yeah they are you that’s literally what they are?
> Everyone did. It's the best filter in the world, just a titanium sheet. If you play this you don't even deserve to die. But I will let you anyway because it's the right thing to do. Seriously how can you possibly defend Morrowind? Explain rn. Respond to my shit from
# and other posts where I explain why it's bad and how you have to be a mindless chud drone to even have played past the first town or so
Everyone? I didn’t but then again I’m not a braindead casual that needs to have his hand held and told exactly where to go. But please continue to bitch abou how reading a journal or paying attention to dialogue I virtually impossible
>there is no GM
Umm, who the fuck is Todd Howard, and the whole team at beth?
>trolling and pretending to not know what roelplaying is STILL
>not a braindead
Your brain would die if you tried to actually go through with the piece of junk so called "game".
>told exactl where to go
Which is what they do in morrowind you fuck fuck fuck. In Fo3 and 4 you just go where you want. Idiot/ In Morrowind they make yu follow directions and shit. Directions that you wouldn't see because your brain has been melted by reading the same copypasted dialogue thousands of times before getting your first objective, learning to ignore the "writing".
>reading a journal is impossible
You said that. I didn't.
>paying attention to dialogue
See above and go to canada. You should not pay attention to the most boring shit ever put on paper especially when you know it's just going to be the same thing a thousand times. If you do you don't have any reason to be alive, because you're clearly not about living.
>Umm, who the fuck is Todd Howard, and the whole team at beth
The developer because a RPG is not a TTRPG retard
>trolling and pretending to not know what roelplaying is STILL
No but you are, you don’t even know how classes work
> Your brain would die if you tried to actually go through with the piece of junk so called "game"
Just because you got filtered doesn’t make the game bad maybe you should stop being a gay and “git gud”
>Which is what they do in morrowind you fuck fuck fuck. In Fo3 and 4 you just go where you want. Idiot
No theres no quest markers, mini map, or quest log to tell you where to go and what to do which is probably why you couldn’t get out of the first town. Like o said braindead.
> See above and go to canada. You should not pay attention to the most boring shit ever put on paper especially when you know it's just going to be the same thing a thousand times. If you do you don't have any reason to be alive, because you're clearly not about living
That's not what role playing is and you are the zoomer for repeating tis shit over and over again.
Okay what ever you say zoom zoom, how about you go back to r/fallout and tell all of your “friends” how wrong I am I’m sure you get a ton of upvotes
Must. make. excuses!!!Must help them print money. Must not let them do effort. Must try to LIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
THEY CANNOT DO ANY BETTER than nv because it'S IMPOSSIBLE! YOU'RE A RETARD BABY ZOOMER CRYING AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME YOU'RE THE WEIRD ONE! RIGHT GUYS? PLS SAY YES my paycheck depends on it!
>Oh no the zoomers using a strawman argument what ever shall I do
What’s next your going to portray me as a onions wojak
It must suck to suck and have to cope. Just admit they're stupid and didn't want to try. Oh wait you're stupid and don't want to try...
Bethesda had what? Four year to make Fallout 4 yet NV still mogs it in nearly every way and if it didn’t you wouldn’t be so butthurt about it.
>mogs it in every way
Name a single one. You haven't done it yet. Retard, have you even read a thing in this thread yet? Just kys.
>Story, Characters, Writing, Customization, Exploration, Setting
>writes every word in the dictionary
>not a single one is true
>maybe if I say he crying???
Does not exist. Read the thread, you know it to be true.
In NV it's just muh gaeyz and boring sniper dude, that's it. In Fallout 4, well you know. Kek, this was hilarious read anon.
lmao stupid retard what?
proof you're a troll
Does not exist in NV fag. It's good in 4 though, found a few new places every now and then in later playthroughs of 4. Also it's vertical.
Again proof you're a drone/npc with no mind, no soul.
>Does not exist. Read the thread, you know it to be true
It does and it’s much more that “find muh son” or “find muh dad and die for no reason”
>In NV it's just muh gaeyz and boring sniper dude, that's it. In Fallout 4, well you know. Kek, this was hilarious read anon
Yes Fallout 4 has such great characters like snarky reporter lady, sad coat man, super quirky spy guy, robot detective, or my favorite angry Irish junkie. Please the characters that aren’t boring are just gimmicks
>lmao stupid retard what
I accept your concession also
SS: why are you doing this
Fagther: Oh you would understand
Real Pulitzer winning stuff.
>proof you're a troll
Can’t make a valid argument so he just call me a troll classic midwit tactic
>Does not exist in NV fag. It's good in 4 though, found a few new places every now and then in later playthroughs of 4. Also it's vertical
It does and unlike FO4 every location serves a purpose an isn’t just there to fill space. You haven’t even played NV have you?
Explain the story of NV then.
>names iconic lovable characters with personalities. Except Cait.
Cait sucks and you don't deserve to live and you barely even deserve to die for liking her.
Courier is tasks with delivering mysterious platinum poker chip to the Vegas Strip but on the way is ambushed, bound, shot in the head, and left to die in a shallow grave by a man in a checkered suit. A cowboy robot digs the courier out and takes him to the local doctor who patches him up. After being in a coma for a few days the courier wakes up and sets off to find the man that stole his delivery and gets some revenge. But unbeknownst to the Courier he has unwittingly been put at the center of a whirlwind of events that will decide the fate of the entire region
>Cait sucks and you don't deserve to live and you barely even deserve to die for liking her
Do you not understand sarcasm?
>doesn't write a story
>also claims the courier wants revenge
Lol how is that for role playing? Name a single retard who wants revenge.
>doesn’t write the story
That’s the preface, you want more actually play the game instead of talking shit
> Lol how is that for role playing? Name a single retard who wants revenge
I don’t know what kind of pussy you are but if I survived getting shot in the head I’d want to find who did it
If you didn’t you wouldn’t have said anything
>you want more
Okay so you're THAT kind of moron. Holy shit dude, don't you have to kys today?
>play the game
It's bad and it has no story.
Not a story. You can't write a story because there isn't one. You just choose which copypasted path you want to skip and you're done, game's over.
>regular people are pussies so that is why the game doesn't have roel playing
I accpet your concession.
>wouldn't have said anything
lol it's easy to write idc you retard.
If you haven’t played it how do you know there’s no story? Are you just a mindless NPC that parrots things he’s heard other people say? That’s sad dude
>lol it's easy to write idc you retard
you obviously care if your willing to put even some effort in, but cope however you want I guess
>still can't write a story
Because there is none?
>wouldn't put effort into it
If writing idc is effort to you then you are real lazy. Or suck at keyboard. Cope.
Dude I don’t know how you managed it but you BTFO’d yourself I mean how fucking retarded do you have to be to argue about a game you never played. You have no leg to stand on man it’s over. Three times now you must really care because not replying requires no effort what so ever
you're a fucking retard and a meme. When will you have enough money to stop for the night? I don't suppose you want to try writing that story? lmao kek I made myself laugh.
>you're a fucking retard and a meme. When will you have enough money to stop for the night
Oh I get it Good Morning Sirs. does the call center not pay enough to buy New Vegas?
This but Fallout 3 and NV good, fallout 4 bad. Even the fallout 4 modding scene is gimped.
>but didn't read a sigle line
AGH I HATE YOUU gayS GET OFF THIS FUCKING THREAD GET OFF THIS FUCKING BOARD!! THERE WERE LIKE TWO SENTENCES AND YOU CANNOY EVEN READ THAT??? JUST DIE!!!!!!!!!
Why are you here on the internet? Why are you here on this board? I don't understand it. What do you think you're supposed to do here? Post porn? have a nice day RIGHT NOW!
Fallout 4 is not good. New Vegas and Fallout 3 are. This isn't difficult to understand
>fun game is bad
Why aren't we doing anything about this infestation?
In terms of story, quests, etc yes. Why are all of the boston raiders in a single group, why is every would be unique location replaced with a workbench to do it yourself, why is the main quest the opposite of fallout 3
Work with the game to make your own like I said. Oh wait you can't read I forgot.
It was a good game, the quests were good. Or were you one of them who kept doing radiant shit?
>a single group
They're not also what does this matter?
>every location replaced with a workbench
IT's not. Play the fucking video game. There are a few workbenches, but way more unique and memorable locations. On my third playthrough I remembered every single place like the back of my hand.
>main quest opposite of 3
What does this mean?
>Work with the game to make your own like I said. Oh wait you can't read I forgot.
You can do this in new vegas, moreso than fallout 4. Because more dialogue choices and outcomes.
>It was a good game, the quests were good. Or were you one of them who kept doing radiant shit?
I honestly cannot remember five good quests. I remember the asylum one and far harbor, because that dlc was good
>IT's not. Play the fucking video game. There are a few workbenches, but way more unique and memorable locations. On my third playthrough I remembered every single place like the back of my hand
Just wrong. Bethesda managed to become even more lazy by not only having their playerbase need to mod the game, but also build the ingame locations.
>main quest opposite of 3 What does this mean?
>dude instead of finding your dad, you're finding your son!!!
>more ways to say yes
You're fucking stupid.
>five good quests
The one where you infiltrate the car factory. The one in the vault Curie is from 80-something. The Covenant one. Every Nuka World quest. And every quest you make up yourself like choosing to explore locations that don't have their own quests but are very good locations. Almost every quest is good because it's a fun game.
FUCKING LIAR GGGGGOSH JUDT KYS AND DIE! There were tons of good locations that I always remember and enjoy.
>make your own
In like six places, each of which is already unique.
>finding someone bad?
No this is a Role-Playing Game
forgot pic. This is what a real role-playing game looks like
If that's the case then i've never played a good RPG.
t. that final fantasy guy. Learn what an rpg is.
But not a video game...
Correct. It's a role playing game. There's no such thing as a 'real' RPG in video games. Even the earliest attempts to adapt D&D to the computer where called exactly that Computer RPGs or CRPGs for short.
Pic related is the earliest usage I could find, and it's about Wizardry, a game from 1981. Wizardry is more-or-less the best early adaptation of D&D yet it has no choices and consequences like in New Vegas (and 3+4 to a lesser extent) and its barely about making your own story in the fun world. Wizardry is about Dungeon Crawling, resource management, party management, mapping skills and grinding. What Wizardry can't do is go off on in any direction limited only to whatever you can imagine like in a tabletop role-playing game since a computer does not have an imagination.
Stop astroturfing NV being a chud game you discord bunkerchan trannies, just fucking have a nice day already
It's the /qa/trannies actually
There is no mod you can download to fix shitty writing.
Stop repeating this lie. If you played the game you would actually experience fun.
I experience more fun trashing the game than playing it
While F4 does have dogshit writing in some placed (the entirety of the institute), I don't know why people cite stuff like this as examples of it. The actual "issue" here is that it's a generic radiant quest. You're just going back to the people who gave you the quest to tell them the raiders are dead. There's nothing complex or nuanced to say to them, it's just "the raiders are dead, give me my caps and xp".
also this thread is just bait from jakfags; fallout 3 specifically is mentioned in their "guide to trolling Ganker" as the ideal game to praise specifically because it is irredeemable dogshit
Yeah it's really more a showcase of Bethesda's technical incompetence than writing, it would be fine to have a single option here, but because their console face button-driven dialogue needs exactly 4 options at all times we get nonsense like this.
When i open any Fallout game i want to play LE wacky the world is over game.
If i want something with good writing i read a book
Jesus Christ, what shitty bait.
How many posts do you have to make to get paid?
I'm replaying FO3 (throught TTW) right now after not playing it since the year it launched.
It's not as bad as Ganker makes it out to be, but it's definetly not as glorious as poojeet or the larpers make it out to be either.
It's decent, worse than NV, better than 4. That last thing surprised me, 4's map almost feel like it copy-pasted 3's one, but 3's is just... More fun. At this point in the adventure (having reached level 28), I've already abandoned 4 out of sheer boredom, but I'm still having fun with 3.
>Only good post in the thread is the one not relying on larping or shitty memes
So this is the power of someone who actually played the games...
TTW IS FALLPUT 3 BABY MODE RETARD
YPU ARE RUINING YPUR EXPIRIENCE
VANILLA AND VERY HARD
Fallout new vegas is better
This shit is absolutely unforgivable. Bethesda honestly kind of sucks.
What the fuck are you talking about???
3 > neo vagina
Obsidian > betheshitards
>obsidian is told they hav to get this score to get extra money
>don't get the score
>WAAAH you cheated me!
>What do you mean we can't make another fallout?
>It sucked? It didn't suck!
>I know I will make my own game, with poker and strippers because funny reddit cartoon
>it's a "comedy" game with a "joke" every half second
>Every single "joke" is just "Company is, le GREEDY???? Look how fucking greedy they are it's so funny because get beth didn't let us bastardise the franchise anymore like we wnatd to!!!"
>Doesn't even include the same amount of numbers and so called "quests" as nv
>not a single fun thing included in the game
>but it has a wacky scientist who has to press a button MORE THAN ONE TIME!!!!
Hey autismo they didn’t say this the only people that push this argument are redditfags. There is no bad blood between Bethesda and Obsidians
type in a number to make a "deep" "character", it works I swear.
Fun immersive video game.
How is it immersive?
I was invested in the story and my character, and I felt like I was in the world.
Oblivion, F3 F4.
>Fallout 4 is better for Roleplaying
>PC has predetermined past and background
>mainstory revolves around said background
>PC is Voiced
>barely any narrative options nearly every quest is go in and shoot the guys
>predetermined past and background
We know nothing other than that they are heterosexual and served in the millitary/was a lawyer. I'm guessing the former is what gets you huh?
>main story revolves around background
No it doesn't. The main story is about synths and the institute, and about whichever faction you want to side with. Each one has their own main quest.
Didn't read op huh? You can turn that off on any platform. Not that it matters in the first playthrough.
>barely any narrative options
What does this mean? That you can't choose what happens in the rest of the world? That's not the point of rpgs. And you certainly can't do this in nv. It's actually way less in NV. In 4 the factions affect the world depending on what quests you do.
>go in and shoot the guys
That's your choice dude. You don't have to if you don't want to.
> We know nothing other than that they are heterosexual and served in the millitary/was a lawyer. I'm guessing the former is what gets you huh
What if I don’t want to be either? What if I wanted to be a wasteland trader or mercenary? What if I want to play a character that was born in the wasteland?
>No it doesn't
It does the inciting incident and entire crux of the main plot is finding your son and even after your family stays a major plot point
> Didn't read op huh? You can turn that off on any platform. Not that it matters in the first playthrough
No you can’t not without mods at least.
> What does this mean? That you can't choose what happens in the rest of the world? That's not the point of rpgs. And you certainly can't do this in nv. It's actually way less in NV. In 4 the factions affect the world depending on what quests you do
Part of a good rpg is showing how your actions effect the people and setting, if you rescue a settlement from super mutants and no one acknowledges it after the fact all that does is show that nothing you do will affect or change anything even on a small scale. There is cause but no effect. Also you can do it in NV there an entire faction system that makes it so your actions toward various factions determine how they treat you.
>That's your choice dude. You don't have to if you don't want to
Okay do Reunions and don’t kill Kellogg tell me what happens
>what if I don't want to be either
You could commit suicide you dumbass moron. Literally suck it up. It doesn't matter.
>wasteland trader or merc
You can both of these
>wanted to be born in
Like I said suck it up.
>finding your family
Has nothing to do with your background.
>not without mods
You can get those mods on every platform easier than you can take a piss.
>part of a good rpg is showing how your actions make peasants know who you are
No it isn't. Liar.
>no one acknowledges getting saved from super mutants
Yes they do. Play the vidoe gmae.
>won't affect anything on a small scale
They are no longer being tormented and they are alive, and they join the minutemen and let you build on their land.
>entire faction system
LMFAO! An ENTIRE faction system? You fucking idiot, that's just more numbers! If you have a low number this list of npcs will say this copypasted line, same with if one of your other numbers is low but for a different list. same comments and everything. Oh but lemme guess, you're gonna tell me now about how one of the copypasted "paths" are locked out now? lol die
>Have to kill one guy in a fallout game so this means there is no roleplaying and you have to do every quest the same
Holy shit are you this mad and stupid?
>You could commit suicide you dumbass moron. Literally suck it up. It doesn't matter
Can’t come up with a valid argument so he just hurl insults
> You can both of these
After the fact I’m talking about background
>Like I said suck it up
If the game provided as good of a role playing experience as you said it wouldn’t have to like in NV
> Has nothing to do with your background
Yeah it does or did you miss the prologue where you fuck around your house and see the bombs drop. Did you even play the game?
> You can get those mods on every platform easier than you can take a piss
Doesn’t matter something that fundamental shouldn’t need a mod if the games as good for RP as you say it is
> No it isn't. Liar
It is, just because you don’t understand the fundamentals of world building and character interaction doesn’t make me a liar. So stop being disingenuous for the sake of the argument
>Yes they do. Play the vidoe gmae
I know but if you actually read my post properly you would know I said that IF it DOESN’T then it’s bad
> LMFAO! An ENTIRE faction system? You fucking idiot, that's just more numbers!
yeah everything’s number it’s a video game, but how it translates to story and gameplay effects how you interact with characters and vice versa. People can love, hate, like, dislike, be neutral toward you and everything in between which affects how your story is told. And being locked out is part of the cause and effect or do you just expect there to be no consequences for massacring and entire settlement aside from everyone being dead?
> Have to kill one guy in a fallout game so this means there is no roleplaying and you have to do every quest the same
Holy shit are you this mad and stupid
No are you? Because you said you didn’t have to that it was your choice to kill people or not. So which is You have to or it’s a choice?
>just hurls insults
So calling you a moron is an insult you think? Racism outside of /b/. mods jk
>talking about background
Well the story doesn't start during your background dude. So who cares?
>a good roleplaying experience like in nACK
Thank you for your concession and your suicide, retard.
>did you miss the intro
No. Still has nothing to do with it. I mean you get into the vault because of your service but that doesn't matter. That's like saying the story is all about your character's mother because she gave birth to you and if she didn't then you would have never gotten into the vault.
>something that fundamental shAACK
More like you're doing fundamental gymnastics retard(picrel mfw). It's the easiest thing to get the mod and you can do it on any platform.
Commit suicide again, it's fun to watch. Worldbuilding is what the devlopers do, not what the player does you idjit.
You're the one who doesn't understand. Try reading anything I have posted before this. No? Okay I'm done with you. You are just so stupid! You know you don't have to do this right? You don't have to screw your brain up and twist it and shit to try and make shit work in your head to defend something that sucks? I mean you can just admit you're wrong. Like a big boy. Stop trying so hard.
>So calling you a moron is an insult you think? Racism outside of /b/. mods jk
Yeah moron is an insult to everyone not just black people, right?
>Well the story doesn't start during your background dude. So who cares
Yeah it does it tell you who you are and what you’ve done based on whether you pick Nate or Nora,
>Thank you for your concession and your suicide, retard
This your whole argument is based on the fact that 3 & 4 are better for RP yet you don’t care about role playing? thank you for the concession
> No. Still has nothing to do with it. I mean you get into the vault because of your service but that doesn't matter
It does because you have an entire background, past, and life you have a wife and son where as in NV aside from being a courier for a while you character your character is a blank slate that you can make what ever you want
>More like you're doing fundamental gymnastics retard(picrel mfw). It's the easiest thing to get the mod and you can do it on any platform
No you are, because if the game was as good for RP as you say it is then it wouldn’t have a voiced character in the first place but good deflection
Why? Are you going to cry some more if I don’t?
>Didn't read op huh? You can turn that off on any platform. Not that it matters in the first playthrough
if you think the problem people have with the voiced protagonist is the actual voice and not the limiting effect it had on the choices of responses, you are retarded
what if bethesda is just bad making actual rpgs? They haven't tried to make a real one yet
>Role playing isn't about numbers
Correct but Role playing games are about numbers. Eat shit.
>what if bethesda is just bad making actual rpgs? They haven't tried to make a real one yet
ARPGs are just action adventure games with perks like every Ubisoft game being released recently.
RPGs ARE EXPLORATION
No one care about your nerd game
RPGs are role playing
No one cares about your retardation
Role playing is exploration
IF YOU WANT TO SELF INSERT EXIT FROM HOME
every single game is about playing a role.
ROLE IS NOT MAKE YOU SELF-INSERT
IS MAKE YOU EXPLORE THE WORLD YOU FIND IT
If you were self-inserting you'd just be shitposting on Ganker in every game you played, braindamage-kun.
You do it since for you roleplay is being dicksucked by everyone in the game
>tries to actually speak properly
>still doesn't make any sense
Because u are stupid
>roel playing games are about numbers
No they are not, they're about role playing. You ever wonder why they're called that? Yeah that's why.
>Beth = ubisoft
lmao. kek, even. No.
>Role playing isn't about numbers you braindead liberals.
yeah role playing is about playing a role
>Roleplaying is about making your own story in the fun world of the game.
>Role playing isn't about numbers you braindead liberals.
Even more wrong.
>even more right
Don't you dare use trump to lie.
There's two types of people in this world anon, those who care about mechanics, builds and numbers, and those who are wrong.
they hated him because he told the truth
I'm genuinely surprised that someone on here can think for himself and doesn't just spout the same memes day in and out.
Fallout Neo Vagina is a leftist circle jerk and plays like a spreadsheet. It completely lacks the atmosphere of Fallout 3. I will never forget the feeling of disappointment when I played it on the release day. I gave it a couple of more chances after that and have around 70h on steam and that's enough. It's a boring manipulative incoherent mess.
It was clear for everyone since the release that the highly praised Fallout 3 is vastly superior. Years later opinion feeders on youtube wanted to be in the spotlight by having the new hot contrarian take and came up with the idea that FNV is actually better than F3 at a moment where people were frustrated with Bethesda's long development times. More youtubers jumped on the bandwagon until revisionism happened in the mainstream. All these NPCs, unable to form their own opinion, just parrot that FNV is the best RPG ever now and always was.
If you seriously think that's the case then you really have to practice some introspection.
New Vegas ends factions quests and starts new ones if you "cross over" an objective, rather than continuing a linear quest. You can effectively start a quest or quest chain in New Vegas from multiple different characters from multiple different factions, tying the narrative of the game together in an appropriate way regardless of faction allegiance. half the quests in fallout 3 will never be seen by an evil player, but an NV character is locked out of less content on a given character and thus has more options for roleplay and gameplay.
>Roleplaying is about making your own story in the fun world of the game
Didn't read further than this line but it's so fucking true. Some of my most fun experiences in games are when I'm able to roleplay scenarios in my head and immerse myself into the game.
Yeah that statement stuck with me too. One of the best experiences in video games I ever had was playing Fallout 4 on survival mode with realistic loot and realistic high damage (headshot = instakill for you and other humans). You actually had to be extremely careful as any encounter could be death and you could only save by sleeping. For the first time I had to use mines and grenades and plan how to approach a group of raiders. Seeing more than 2 ghouls was frightening. Cooking became absolutely essential and without fast travel I had to plan out routes to do multiple quests in one go. I've built settlements because I needed a place to sleep, eat and resupply on the routes. It became a completely different experience compared to normal Fallout 4.
The mod made power armor feel like you're actually in a bipedal tank. The damage multiplier was also different for every limb. For example feet took 1x, the legs 1.5x and the arms 2x damage. NPCs didn't drop random shit but personal belongings like watches, cigarettes and similar. Trash cans had just trash in them and so on. Stealth and tactical approaches to encounters were very important so the power armor had a clear disadvantage and seeing someone else in a power armor was like a boss fight.
I started with a young character (30yo) that mainly wore the vault suit, inexperienced and trying to survive the wasteland. I mainly used pistols and shotguns. Then I joined the brotherhood and made my character looking older (40), added a scar, wore power armor and used heavy weapons. After finishing the main storyline I aged him again (50) with more subtle scars and graying hair. I stopped wearing power armor and used sniper rifles. All while immersing myself as the character, trying to think what he's been through. The disappointment with the brotherhood after finishing the institute and so on. Before that I always just created some random character or self-inserted and played it like some mindless openworld crafting shooter. I'll do another run after the next gen update drops this year. Hopefully they'll fix some technical aspects for the pc version too.
DMC and super Mario are my favorite rpgs
what could possibly compel a man to write out these tedious tirades every single day?
> There is only one person on the face of the planet who disagrees with me.
Do you know where you are?
Underrail did the post-apocalypse better than classic Fallout.
I hope the next Fallout has Elder Scrolls Morrowind-Oblivion style skill and level system
I hope VATS is deleted.
I hope the melee combat is more like Oblivion than the horrendous Condemned rip off we got in 4.
I hope the story goes back to basics of YOU HAVE TO SAVE THE WORLD or YOU HAVE TO KILL GOD like Elder Scrolls
I hope they just make Skyrim in nuclear
In FO3 you are always playing as some bitch with daddy issues
In FO4 you are always playing as a parent who lost their former spouse and is now looking for their kid.
There is no role-playing. I think you should look up what role-playing is, Mexican boy.
> Mexican boy
No it’s probably the same cowfucker that always makes these threads
>always some bitch with daddy issues
Don't have to be but even if you did you can do alot with that. I made several unique characters with unique reasons why they have daddy issues.
>always a parent
>WAAAAAH! They had sex! With someone of the opposite SEX!! WWWWWWAAAAAAHHH-ACK!
Dude get god.
>now looking for their kid
Only if you want to lol are you retarded?
>No roleplaying because...
>THERE JUST HEKKING ISN'T
In NV you're playing as a Courier who worked mostly for the NCR and the only input you have in his past is whether he's amnesiac or not.
There are anons actually defending porting tabletop rulesets into video games.
I thought I had seen it all .
Not defending just saying what the system was based on
>Never once did I cry because I can't just say my speech is 100 and click on the [skip quest] button every time somebody talks to me. I would just do the quest in the way that I wanted my character to do it.
So stupid. If you don't want to pass speech checks then don't do it. I had a 100 speech and I still sometimes chose the guns blazing route because I preferred it that way and I thought some characters deserved to be put down. NV gives you the diplomatic route, doesn't mean you have to always choose it. If you want a big gun battle to cap off the quest line then by all means do it.
>Role playing isn't about numbers you braindead liberals. Go back to that other site if you want to suck off NV's mutilated ex-cock. Roleplaying is about making your own story in the fun world of the game.
Can I roleplay looking down ironsights? No? Fallout 3 is worse
Have you heard of soul? The aiming in 3 was way soul. NV was G0Y510P.
Can I roleplay looking down ironsights? AKA Roleplaying properly using a gun?
I can't properly roleplay using a gun in a post apocalyptic world?
Fallout 3 is worse.
>It's worse because I can't pretend that I'm looking down the sights even though it's what my character does when I aim.
>Character does when I aim
no it isn't.
When I aim my weapon in 1st person, my character isn't looking down the ironsights
How am I ever supposed to get immersed if my character can't even lift the gun up?
He does. Pay attention dude. He puts both hands on the gun and holds it higher. If it's a pistol. If it's not then you already have both hands on it. Either way you don't need to see the fucking retarded ass soulless iron sights to be immersed. You've never shot anyone without sights before? You have to be mindless fag.
No, he doesn't.
If he was I'd be looking down the iron sights in first person.
You're a tard.
No, you're a moron, my character isn't looking down the iron sights, and yes that is important for immersion in a game with rifles and handguns as a primary weapon time to use.
Only if you're a nv fag with no soul.
Why do you make bait threads where you only use buzzwords without any tangible argument? Is pretending to argue about New Vegas/Fallout 3 really that exciting of a way to pass time? What makes one do this for a hobby? Like you could actually have a discussion about this, but instead you're shitposting to shitpost and for what? The sincere replies all think you're just retarded, and not particularly interesting to read.
There really has to be something better, more enjoyable and fulfilling than this for you to do.
Is it a way for you to practice English?
>It's not working
>claims it's bait
That in the manual? You all do it and it never works. It will never be bait. You will never have a womb. I will always be right. You will always be wrong. You are not convincing anyone.
Can I look down ironsights in game?
Got it. I said you're wrong because you are. Show me my character in fallout 3 in 1st person looking down ironsights.
I'm waiting because you just can't.
>claims I'm wrong
>doesn't say why
Commit homocide. On (you).
>show me this stupid shit that would make the game one thousand billion times worse
No, it very clearly states how you're wrong.
You said my character looks down the ironsights.
He does not. As it's impossible for him to do so.
>Commit homocide. On (you).
English isn’t that hard to learn dude maybe you should go to classes and stop making a fool out of yourself
Fallout 4 is unplayable shit. You have to be brain dead to be buoy that game. Fallout 3 and NV are both some of the best games out there and it’s a meme that people like one over the other. It’s a dumb meme that makes no sense. I am physically unable to play fallout 3 anymore because I put so many hours in the code for the game is written in my spiritual memory. I’ve played a shit ton of NV but still feel like there is more to do.
All games are role playing games anon.
>can't play a role without asking numbers for permission for everything
Imagine anons in this thread being actors. "Wait mr director can my character do that? I need to look at the character sheet again to see if I'm allowed to."
I'M GOING INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kek, hey anons who think that numbers and classes mean you're roleplaying, why don't you explain to everyone how Kingdom Hearts is a roleplaying game?
Pure schizo kino
My threads always end up like this. I'm going to snap one day.
The numbers are the gameplay you moron
>numbers are gameplay
In nv, that's why it's not a game.
No, numbers are also the gameplay in Fallout 3.
That's not true there is a whole simulated world.
Yes. and that is also the case in Fallout NV.
Numbers are still the gameplay in both games.
>there is a whole simulated world in NV
Didn't play the game I see. Nor did you read the thread. It's nothing but a cyoa book but every page is the same except they switched out a few characters' names.
No, I've played thousands of hours in both Fallout 3 and Fallout NV, as they were the defining game of my childhood.
The games operate on the same gamebryo engine, and yes it's a simulated world.
Characters have set schedules with how they interact with the world, where they're at, and what they do. Simulated based off the time of day, and the characters still move even if the cell they're in is unloaded. They still follow their routine.
If you drop objects in your house in Fallout 3 or Fallout NV, they'll stay, wherever you moved them too. They're still being simulated as there, regardless if you're there or not.
Both are simulated worlds.
>When you are playing Fo3
Die, right now. You are a soulless golem incapable of actually creating. You can only copy and defile things.