>*ruins competitive discourse forever by causing campaignshitters to think they're knowledgeable about the game by looking at tier lists*
>*ruins competitive discourse forever by causing campaignshitters to think they're knowledgeable about the game by looking at tier lists*
They ruined competitive the moment they banned sleep
No, they ruined competitive all the way back in Gen 5 where they let weather wars dictate the meta and did shit like the complex Drizzle + Swift Swim ban to keep the pieces in place, despite prior to that always insisting they would never do complex bans like that
you mean when they banned evasion
>Smogon nerfs stall
>People still cry
the funniest is the morons who think tyranitar is bad
He is by tourneygay metrics. He's too slow to sweep and his typing makes him too frail to stall. Some of the most common moves are2 ans 4x weaknesses to t tar.
>He is by tourneygay metrics
yeah bro totally
>pachirisu isn't a shitmon because one gay got him to worlds!
Lmao
>pachirisu isn't a shitmon
correct
>good players can take less powerful pokemon and become world champion
Sounds like you need to get good.
anon pachiritsu was chosen because it was a legitimate option at the time not because of any making a weak pokemon work in worlds shit
its why 4 ice move articuno worked as well as it did
That's not the issue. The issue is Tyranitar lost the one thing keeping it relevant in Gen 6 and 7 - Pursuit - and it's quite possibly the Pokemon least suited to using Terastallization since it'll kill itself with its own Sandstorm or it'll continue to share some of its 7 weaknesses if it goes Steel (Fighting, Ground) or Ground (Water, Grass).
That and there are so few Sand Rush users that it's not worth using Sand. It's the weakest Weather in Gen 9 and it's not even close. Even Snow crushes it.
>ruins competitive
Based
Total compgay death
basado
I dont play their gay format. Random battles online are all I do.
They actually made all pokemon somewhat viable by changing their levels though, they should do more stuff like that!
>fanfic meta
I cant take seriously something where baton pass is banned
can't say that without explaining why you think baton pass is not broken
>REEEEE ITS BROKEN
shut the frick up homosexual. learn how to play the game better. reminder that this shit is made for children and you actual morons have to make up rules so pvp is "balanced" when in reality you're all just bad at the game.
>banning is le bad because I said so
issue is, you troony, that the baton pass user also has the capability of learning to play better
Optimizing this robotic game plan in a game made for children is easy, especially when resists and speed ties are thrown out the fricking window by having maxed out +6 in everything
>inb4 just use [niche mechanic that only realistically is useful for stall teams that makes your team worse against everything else], homosexual!
>troony
I dont play smogon. And you still suck at the game btw.
>Black person complains about bans in a format he doesn't play, therefore doesn't know about
many such cases
>shut the frick up homosexual. learn how to play the game better.
Oh yeah just play it so that Roar bypasses Magic Bounce and Perish Song bypasses Soundproof on all your teams, and have multiple of them too.
Ya finna seethe? Taunt ends batton pass shenanigans.
>Espeon's Magic Bounce!
>see clef
>lock on
>sheer cold
GG
Sounds like one ability to easily ban instead of castrating every baton pass dependent Pokemon
>baton pass dependent Pokemon
Name 5
Magic Bounce is more important for the meta and also more balanced than Baton Pass.
Do you homosexuals sincerelt just ignore the fact that the top 1 player showed everyone how cancerous Baton Pass was and even though he used BP to get to top 1 he was the first to want that shit banned?
Do you even play the game?
>community ran format has it’s own rules and gains popularity because people like the rules
>REEEE HOW DARE YOUR FANFIC FORMAT BE DIFFERENT THAN THE RULES I WANT TO PLAY BY
Not to mention the community format is older than the official formats/tourneys became a thing worldwide.
NetBattle/Shoddy Battle/Pokémon Online and noe Showdown addressed a need that GF/TPC didn't address for a decade.
exactly, its why Im glad we can have both VGC and Smogon. I mean cart play is basically unranked AG anyways. People think just having one official format for a gen is the only viable option but don’t want to acknowledge how pokemon’s wide but restrictive teambuilding will lead to people wanting environments that don’t come down to “did you bring ____, no? then auto lose”
Like okay homosexual, you dont like the BP and Sleep ban? Then fricking go play cart you dipshit. But don’t act like you’re. better or smarter than people because you run sacky bullshit and just demand everyone else run counters just so your dumbass can play unge bunga turbo
No one cares about you having a clown fanfic format. It becomes moronic when you start talking about the game as if it's supposed to be built around your moronic clown fanfic format.
Official tournaments have literally existed since Gen 1.
no one is saying the game should be built around smogon standards.
>no one is saying [thing people constantly say]
smogon standards are built around the game, not the opposite you dipshit. It’s why everything gets unbanned at the start of a new gen to see what needs to stay banned
>smogon standards are built around the game
No. Otherwise it wouldn’t be 6v6.
>game lets you have a team of 6
>battles between players lets you bring 6 vs 6
>literally zero competitive formats use 6v6
>fans make their own 6v6 rules
>balance rules around single 6v6
Again, the community ran rules are made around the game and with the balance of 6v6 singles in mind because they can’t patch the game. Literally just house rules that people liked, but it doesn't need to be an officially supported format
>fans make their own 6v6 rules
Glad you agree fanfic isn’t built around the game. The game has nothing to do with 6v6.
okay I already said that
, you’re the one being a dense tard about it
You said Smogon is built around the game when it clearly isn’t.
okay pal whatever
Ok homosexual want to get your ass beaten? You surely have the skills to back up your thinking right? It's not like you're just trolling right?
Then 1v1 me in any format. I'll be waiting
lets go randbats
LMAO what an absolute homosexual. I guess you have that extension telling you the sets of each mon as well
But it was plenty clear that you have NO knowledge of any format or tier at all. You have no grounds to voice your opinion on any official or non official meta. Drop your username and I'll challenge you, coward
Gym Leader Beans
sorry for late reply, hirvimetsa in nederlands chat
>tries to get bailed out by RNG
not a shabby strat, it's the only way you could have a shot at winning
> The game has nothing to do with 6v6.
Except for the 99% of battles that you don't have to pay a $20 yearly subscription fee to Nintendo to enjoy. There is no Battle Tower or Battle Frontier in modern Pokemon after all.
Wow you’re right anon we should use Full Restores and Revives in competitive because the toddler campaign you like to play has it.
Smogon Singles is based on Stadium rules but you're obviously too young to know that considering you think sleep clause is a smogon thing.
> Smogon Singles is based on Stadium rules
If this were true it wouldn’t be 6v6.
> You can't use items in multiplayer battles against your friends
You can’t use 6v6 in competitive formats.
>You can’t use 6v6 in competitive formats.
There were no "competitive formats" for PvP unless you went to VGC up until Gen 7. People would always play 6v6 singles online in Gen 4 or 5. Every wi-fi battle ever was 6v6 singles.
Give. It. Up.
6v6 isn't Pokemon
It's literally the main Pokemon format.
That's Doubles 4v4
You? Lose
No, it's 6v6 singles, the format Pokemon was built around and the format everyone played on wi-fi battles.
When you play 6v6 online you play mostly against kids who only use broken legendary like Groudon, Kyogre, Arceus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zacian, Miraidon etc etc. By your own logic omgone Anything Goes is the main competitive format everyone should be playing then. 4v4 Doubles will always be the main format for competitive battles cope and seethe.
>Anything Goes is the main competitive format
Correct. But you would still lose to my UU team kek
Nah, I'd win
>"gen1 and gen2 aren't pokemon"
kekerinos
>play pokemon stadium
>the game makes me play 3v3
>play battle tower in crystal
>the game makes me play 3v3
> There were no "competitive formats" for PvP
You can't use items in multiplayer battles against your friends. I've been playing 6v6 singles against my brother and my friends since Gen 3, though we all stopped playing the mainline games after how dogshit X/Y were.
I think Smogon standards should absolutely be an option on cart. I know Game Freak hates everything from Pokemon mods to nuzlockes, but it would be nice to see them stop being stuck up c**ts who can't produce a good game to save their lives for once and bring in people from the community who actually like Pokemon.
I don't think Smogon should be the sole format, but having some pro players on the balance team and having Smogon (or Smogon-like) tiers for online cart play would be wonderful.
Why? Smogon bans just about every offensive threat in the game. The chinese are the only thing saving us from Finch's tyranny.
It's because there are so many more OP offensive threats than OP defensive or OP supportive threats.
don't give Finchinator too much power over the official games
Smogon is worse at balance than GameFreak and their players suck too
>Official tournaments have literally existed since Gen 1
yeah, with some of the wackest rules yet, let's see:
>"Bring 6 Pick 3" format, like in modern Battle Stadium.
>Level Limit: Pokémon must be between levels 50 and 55, and the 3 Pokémon used cannot exceed 155 total.
>Species Clause: No two Pokémon of the same species.
>Sleep Clause: No two Pokémon can be asleep, if you put multiple to sleep, you lose.
>species clause
>sleep clause
AIEEEEE NINTENDOMAN SAVE MEEEE
the sleep clause didn't need to exist past gen 6. neither does the evasion clause in the switch era. why do they still exist?
Learn to read buddy I clearly said worldwide. "official" japan only tournaments don't matter for 99% of the fandom moron.
The pokemon games are inherently unfair. All smogon does is even the odds
use roar or whirlwind homie god damn
>faster because lead speed boost
>baton pass onto soundproof/suction cups or use ingrain
I don't know Black person, use trick room, topsy turvy, I don't know. Do something different, you have to adapt to strategies. Doesn't make it broken, you'd be laughed the frick out of any other comp game for suggesting otherwise.
>you have to adapt to strategies.
No. Ban everything I don't like. I will not adapt. That is the Smogon way.
>use [mechanic that is only usable on doubles or heavily specific team styles], [a move with 2 users, not counting sketch]
If you want to counter specific strategies you need to use specific teams you mental midget. That's how a meta works. You're sacrificing consistency against other team compositions to have a better match up against whatever you're targeting.
Of course! of course!
I should force every single team to have a highly specific counterplay and even more specific counterplays to the opponent's (possible) counterplay which will only be useful if the opponent at hand is ruining a specific playstyle and actively makes my team worse against everything else
maybe this move is a bit over centralizing? just maybe?
Yeah. What the frick do you want to do? Slap 4 damaging moves on and trade shots? You ever played a team/deck building game before?
maybe dont let the meta become so centralized
>morons should be allowed to use brain dead auto win strats because their opponent didn’t bring the niche answer to their braindead strat that can be checked easily by other stuff
>”damn my answer mon got fricked by bullshit, guess I should auto lose the match then”
There is no game where team composition can get into that much detail and yield such intricate interactions as pokemon. The customisation level in unmatched
By the way if you want to play banless there is AG
Fricking moron, the majority of Baton Pass use a magic Bounce mon vessel that bounce all those moves back, not to mention new shits like Gholdengo.
Even if you use Shit Room won't do shit because you need like 2 turns to set it and switch, and by that time the baton passer will be at +3 defense.
I hear a lot of squealing and not a lot of accountability.
>lock on
>sheer cold
still GG smogoBlack person
Smoggies piss themselves in rage over this anon you're just making him mad
Substitute can pp stall you garbage 8pp OHKO move, and baton pass passes down substitutes.
You buffoons you shut your prostitute mouths.
>recycle + leppa berry
LOL
>mfw taunt
hope you have at least ice beam... oh wait you'd need that to actually hit the pokemon not the substitute... and he is at +4 spdef
>taunt
When did that happen? You've been too busy setting up subs and stat boosts.
the moment you switched in the most obvious Articuno/Smeargle known to man he baton passed, and has the better positioning (though cuno is mind reader instead)
>switched into
You dumb homosexual. Thats the lead. Face it, baton pass isn't as God tier broken as you want it to be and there are ways to play around it if you haven't already kneecapped yourself with unnecessary restrictions.
the only "real" (ignoring the obvious 0HKO ban) way you said that it would counter it is still investing a whole pokemon into it which would be effectively useless in other matchups
you are also sacrificing having a actually good lead which would provide you actual momentum. But instead you are dead focus on saying "Nuh uh" than admitting that a over centralizing mechanic is over centralizing
>taunt baton pass user
EZ
wow great idea that definitely won't make my team total fricking garbage against everything else
I hate how tradeback movesets aren’t the standard in generations 1 and 8. It makes no sense to deny them, they’re available to get in-game. More likely to get those than Wish Chansey. While I think some people don’t know what they’re talking about, it’s true that Smogon can be arbitrary and dumb. Freezing older generations makes no sense to me.
Oh I didn’t mean to quote that guy, oh well.
>lock on
>sheer cold
GG
I remember homosexuals like you in gen 7 AG
>full baton pass team with 2 smeargles and blaziken
>protect + sd gives easy boosts
>bp into taunt or ingrain smeargle
>max evasion
>bp into a mon that can ohko everything (sturdy/sash + haze/clear smog is not a real set, and even then, a well timed taunt/sub makes them setup fodder)
>mirror bp chains can get fricked by smeargle with spectral thief
reached top 10 with that disgusting and poorly crafted team, but yeah, bp isn't OP
what I like about homosexuals complaining about the BP ban is they also say it’s your fault for not bringing in counters for it like they’re too good to play something that isn’t BP. Oh you get to play the unfair team you want to play but force your opponent to bring stuff they dont want to play? Okay homosexual whatever you say
Because u turn, volt switch, and every out switch out move are just as broken, yet smoggies don't cream their pants and rage over them.
None of those pass stat boosts
Do you even play the game?
I bet he doesn't suck at it as bad as you do
>Baton pass makes curse and volatile status conditions viable
>CURSE
>VIABLE
>Roar and whirlwind
>Taunt
>Encore
>Haze
>Topsy turvy/psyche up/snatch/heart swap strats could develop
Baton Pass gets worse and worse with new strats, prankster status and whatnot. Nobody (with braincells) who plays AG complains about full pass.
The most annoying thing about baton pass is a sweeper killing your mon, you switch in a counter, and they pass to another sweeper with the rest of their team operating independently from baton pass meaning countering baton pass doesn't break their team.
Baton Pass is simply matchup dependent, that's all, and that's why smogontrannies hate it, because they hate making new teams around pokemon they don't like.
I can use it and you can use it. If the game gives you a tool to use, you should be able to use it.
It's pretty moronic Smogon is going through a new ban every month. When you have to keep banning things, your format is probably the problem.
>everyone can use it so it's okay!
Yeah, let's just fling nukes at each other instead of waging ground warfare
i used to think the same thing before experiencing 3 consecutive bengay/abr copy paste metas during the suspect tests. I had to use baton pass imprison for 2 months to survive that shit.
Based
>SHARTcial
Cringe
>campaignshitter
These are single player RPGs, you massive moron.
> These are single player RPGs
?
VGC/BSS/whatever it's called now, is designed for 5-12 year-olds.
That's why, when I turned 13, I joined Smogon University, a community for mature adults, and stopped giving my shekels to Nintendo.
Best decision of my life. Heil Smogon!!! xD
>multiplayer functions ever since it's inception
Good, competitive ruined Pokemon.
not... the... competitive discourse
someone save the competitive discourse!
>*ruins competitive discourse forever
WTF?! Smoglets are actually based?!
>bans Diglett
N-no! You don't understand! A pokemon with 35 HP that prevents switching DESTROYS the entire game!!! It's literally impossible to deal with.
VGC bans Phione
I bet you can't even get past 1700 on showdown
I could if there were enough people actually playing it.
yeah I'll take the L here I haven't touched comp since gen 7
>Gen 8 BSS
>in 2024
huh?
>these homosexuals existing is why you can't use fun Venomoth strats against fricking gym leaders in Radical Red, a hack that has nothing to do with competitive battles
>omgone is just a shitty fanfic meta that doesn't matter and nobody should care about!!!
>omgone ruined competitive discourse FOREVER!!!
Which one is it? I thought we were only supposed to play VGC...
Both of those can be true at once and they are. Smogongays make up 12% of the pokemon community and are responsible for 50% why pvp is shit.
How? They only play singles, which anti-smogs claim isn't real competitive Pokemon.
>which anti-smogs claim isn't real competitive Pokemon.
Ive never said that and Im anti smogon
Smogtards think they understand VGC because they play a fanfic meta. That's the issue.
Literally the opposite is true, moron
VGCtards butt into conversations about smogon tiers to try and take the high ground for playing the low effort TPCi approved format
Smoggies regularly rank pretty highly in VGC. Freezai made it to Worlds in his first year of VGC and was cucked out of going to day 2 by a Brazilian blessed by RNGesus.
Ehh, Freezai was alright. He placed well in early regulations with Dozo Glimm and then fell off pretty hard. He made World's because he attended a lot and placed decently.
Kelsh is pretty legit though.
Smoggies do well because pokemon is a low skill floor and ceiling game and singles translates to doubles well.
homie Ray was originally a smogongay.
And last worlds the dude who made it second was a smogongay on his first year of vgc.
You're moronic.
Turns out Smogon players are every bit as skilled as VGC players and no less homosexual.
>nurtney
cringe
You like evil women, I like autistic women
We can coexist
Yeah, I use baton pass, double team, sleep moves and OHKO moves. Why would I play a format that needs a handicap to play? Have you tried not sucking at the game bro
>go on a hike
>a Youngster challenges me to a battle
>my mon puts his mon to sleep and sets up agility and swords dance
>he sends in his next mon and I put it to sleep like the last
>The Youngster starts shitting his pants about some 'sleep clause' nonsense
>Laugh and have my mon baton pass
>Younster is actually frothing with anger
>have my mon use minimize
>Youngster has ascended to the next plane of seethe rambling incoherently about an 'evasion clause'
>baton pass into Farfetch'd and sweep his team
What gets me is that sleep and Baton Pass were legal and fine for OVER TWENTY YEARS, and only now they have a problem with it. That's the very definition of needless intervention.
>what is power creep
>what is fanfic council becoming autistic
If it's a fanfic, why do you care what they do? Go play doubles with the rest of the VGCucks
Nah I play random battles online and the only rules I play by are the ones build into the game. Seethe about it.
So ban it only in the powercrept tiers with the new homosexualmons, what's the problem?
sleep ban was completely idiotic true
Using curse/work up baton pass in gsc isn't great though kek
>baton pass was fine for 20 years!
tbh it was completely bullshit since at least gen 5 but tourgays exposed how clown it was since gen 6
> It's a sub 1100 ELO Zoomer complains about a system they don't understand
Many such cases
Baton Pass has been heavily regulated since Gen 3 buddy. Way to signal you're ignorant about the topic
>smoggies have sucked at the game since gen 3
LMFAO
I agree that sleep clause was moronic but BP is skilless moronation and has been banned way before I've started playing one decade ago
Sleep is only banned in certain metas. It will be unbanned in Gen 10. It's just Gen 5 and Gen 9 where it's banned because metas where 1 turn leads to you losing the whole game cannot afford to let sleep run around.
It's why Darkrai, a Pokemon heading for UU here shortly, was considered an S-tier threat in Gen 4/5/6 Ubers. When Smeargle got Dark Void nerfed into oblivion, Darkrai ceased to be a serious Pokemon in Ubers. That's because the main thing Darkrai provided that made it so strong was sleep. Ubers was and is so powerful that a singular bad turn can lead to a game over. Gen 9 OU has reached that threshold.
I do think it should've been suspect tested, however. It probably still would've gotten banned but it would've been a much easier pill to swallow than having the council dictate it.
>Sleep is only banned in certain metas. It will be unbanned in Gen 10
bet? This is not happening
Only way it doesn't happen is if Game Freak buffs it or starts handing out Spore like Halloween candy. Unless Sleep gets buffed to Gen 5 mechanics or Ninjask starts dropping Spores all over the place, it's a pretty safe bet that Smogon is unbanning Sleep.
I doubt Game Freak is moronic enough to do either of those things considering it'd completely ruin VGC too.
People were saying that 1 mon sleep clause is sketchy and is very different from cart mechanics. It would also be the only exception where such a forceful limit is imposed. I doubt that sleep clause is changing from now on and i even thought they would apply it to every tier
> different from cart mechanics
Sleep Clause literally comes from the games anon.
It depends, it could be another case like Swagger where they nerf the holy shit out of it in the following Gen to make it completely dumb to keep it banned later on, but you know there will those occasional buttholes that will argue it should stay banned for consistency's sake twhp4vjoo
Sleep isnt OP in VGC why should they nerf it? They introduced goggles and grass type immunity, plus tera
If sleep isnt op why did they nerf dark void and then also banned it from smeargle? Check mate atheists
it's been nerfed since gen 7
powerful and OP are different
Generally yes, but the line can be very blurry at times. OP would be something that has little counter measure or what counter measures exist are easily counter measured back. Wouldn’t you agree the game should be decided by skill and not who brought the out to the opponent’s out and who got slightly more lucky. It’s why anti meta picks are a thing in heavily centralized formats (this is including VGC too) because you didn’t win by being the player but by bringing the team that has the best chance of getting with predictable team comps. And on paper that sounds like the right thing, bring anti meta to beat meta. But what if said anti meta is ONLY good against the meta, then it loses to non meta strats and then it turns teambuilding into some weird rock paper scissors match up where you auto lose cause you brought the wrong team expecting something else.
Like imagine winning a tournament not because you played well or made good meta calls but because you only got paired against teams that you had a favorable match up against and dodged all the teams that hard countered you. Are you really the winner when the person who played 23rd could have easily beat you if you got paired against each other
You went completely off the rails and started making a totally different point, which I don't disagree upon
anything that can skip a turn is poweful in VGC.
Smoggies will ban it anyways like the salty b***hes they are
Thats because smoggies hate losing and make bullshit up so that they don't lose as often
XY ruined competitive actually.
Before this generation it was well understood that your in-game team was basically walking garbage. Then they came out with GRENINJAAAA and suddenly everyone was some competitiveGOD that knew everything.
Not to mention endless "here's how a mega can 'fix' x pokemon" shit discussion
Go frick a dog Verlisify
>It's another low elo shitter seething at smogon for some reason
Smogon's idea of tiering is a good, that's why it's so popular.
The idea of creating tiers to explore strategies for weaker Pokemon that would never see use is great, unlike VGC which is a circle jerk of 10 out of 1000+ Pokemon.
>smoggies cant defend their fanfic meta without crying about VGCucks
lol LMAO
vgcGODs living rent free in smoggies heads as always.
>stop playing 6v6
>baton pass suddenly stops being broken
holy shit...
Cry about it
I am extremely intrigueded about the dragon claw smeargle
that's a nice maymay anon
You send that butthole out when after stacking +6 in everything else and style all over homies
Oh it’s the guys who seethes at the mere suggestion that ice get more resistances kek are you really this mad? This needed a thread?
>click Snowscape
>Ice suddenly has a resistance to every single physical move
woah so this is the power of playing the game instead of staring at the type chart.....
Why seethe about smogon tiers? They just provide an alternative to VGC. No one is forcing to play them and no one stops you from making a community and metagame of your own
because the only thing they know to do is autistic screeching about the heretics that don't think like them
i think you got it wrong, no smoggie has ever made a thread along the lines of "submit to smogon" or "play this format or else"
Where do they "screech"? On twitter? Well then your mistake is to browse that shithole
Tell them that banning moves is moronic and they melt down. This thread is proof.
if you want to play battle spots single you're free to do it and use baton pass
If you want to play your own fanfic go ahead and make it happen gaylord
>if you want to play battle spots single
I already do that. That doesn't mean Im not allowed to call smogoBlack folk moronic
it’s funny cause it’s a fricking community ran format and people act like tiers aren’t decided by usage rates.
That's because they aren't decided by usage rates in older formats.
Wise anons, I would like to ask a question about charizard.
The current state of charizard in competitive is horrible. How would you fix him without changing his type to fire/dragon or increasing his stat?
Charizard will always be shit as long it's an objectively inferior version of Moltres
But talonflame is good though?
Change of typing to fire/dragon. Give it an ability that let it fly and immune to ground since it has wings. Oh, and change it stats so that it can be a fast mixed attacker
>having to run otherwise useless moves to counter sleep/baton pass... LE BAD!
>having to run otherwise-useless moves to counter entry hazards... LE GOOD!
Why are smogonkeks like this?
it is just like that
Theres no way that people are still complaining about baton pass. The only way you could want baton pass back is if you never played gen 6
Any ban is bad
Smoggiesare just too shit to actually play the game without their pathetic candyland bullshit
This. VGCucks are just too shit to actually play the game without their pathetic candyland bullshit because they banned Arceus.
Gamefreak banned half the dex from even participating when Sword and Shield came out, and plenty of moves too.
they have a literal anything goes format and it’s centralized as frick
There's more diversity in AG than any of the pozzed ou scenes.
No there isn't.
OUBlack person cope: the post.
you really gonna pretend like you experienced pre-smog comp discussions?
>doublesgay thinks his opinion matters
BOO
why yes, if you DON'T let me run air balloon tera electric shedinja with my shed tail cyclizar, you're a gay. just like, use sandstorm or mold breaker or something lmao
theres no point arguing about this meta. Its been OVER since gen 8 and even gen 7 was borderline.
>smogon players
>good at VGC
>moronic frogposter didn't even read the thread
>smogie seething
>Smogon player makes it to top cut of Worlds when it’s his first year
Smoggies are better in both formats than you are.
>most Smogon players
>posts a single example
I guess most campaignshitters are good at VGC.
Ray is always a Smogon player too.
Bro "most Smogon players" aren't even good at Smogon, why would you make the ridiculous statement that "most" are good at something else entirely, when you just meant one?
Even the council themselves fricking suck at Smogon. It's a clown meta by clowns for clowns.
fanfic meta
>even though most Smogon players are good at VGC too
>who was worlds runnerup last year
I was
VGCissies keep getting BTFO. It's glorious.
SmogoBlack folk keep getting BTFO. It's hilarious.
Proof?
> SmogoBlack folk [Schizo headcanon]
Why are sub 1100 ELO scrubs like this?
meh 2-3 examples out of the thousands of smogon players doesn't prove much
A lot of knowledge from high ladder play transfers to other formats.
It becomes second nature to know base stats/movepools/etc.
Other singles formats. If high ladder play translated to doubles we'd have a lot more smoggies in VGC. Instead we have like 5.
A lot of the concepts are the exact same. Listen to someone who is good at OU talk about what they're doing, someone who is good at VGC, and someone like Freezai who is good at both. You'll notice that the game's terminology is pretty much a language to itself and the formats are just dialects employing different patterns to get across the same point. Every time I jump in these threads, I'll draw a comparison to card games and I truly think Pokémon is similar in a lot of ways. VGC basically has sideboarding and that's the only part of the game that doesn't have a direct parallel to Smogon since they tend to switch the entire team for matches. They're just different skill sets with similar tool kits.
I have never lost an online battle in 20 years of pokemon. Your gay little bootleg game doesn't count.
Easy to say that when you never play
I played online regularly before the switch games
Do you have USUM? I never bought a switch
what a pussy
do you realise that the best VGC players use the online simulator everyday? It's nothing but chickening out to say "i NEED to play on cart or I won't play at all"
Yes, I do have USUM, what's your 3DS friend code?
The gay is praying that this thread dies asap because he's scared of facing anyone and he'd have an excuse
Let's battle lil bro. You decide the format and then I can stomp you.
Why is it that people who criticize the way Smogon goes about things never actually know what they're talking about or consider the other side of the argument they're making? Here's an example about one detractors love to mention: Baton Pass. Say you assert that Baton Pass is not broken and the metagame should simply adapt. Okay, fair enough. Interestingly, Baton Pass teams adapt in kind and use techs that beat both Taunt or Phasing (Magic Bounce/fast Taunt or Encore + Ingrain or Suction Cups). So what now? You adapt to this by packing, uh... Unaware? Ah, but Stored Power still deals damage that beats Unaware mons if you don't get in within 2 turns. "But simply get in within 2 turns," you say. Okay, now consider that the one using Baton Pass is at least as competent as you and isn't going to just let you hit them, so they now Encore you... and set up again. No one wants to admit that the biggest issue with the things that are deemed broken has nothing to do with the fact that the best players don't like using them. A better player with more broken tools is going to beat the frick out of worse players on average. Banning the broken shit may steal some free wins and fast losses from everyone, but it overall is going to trend toward giving players who suck a chance. This is a great transition to the next point.
How the frick can you dislike tiers? This makes no sense to me. Some mons are terrible and outclassed at a particular niche. You can use your favorites, but if you concede that your opponent is as good as you, winning is fun, and you are thus playing to win, you should not be using outclassed Pokémon. Tiers give everything a chance to work, all the way down to fricking ZU where some mons are so terrible it turns our you really can't use them for reasons other than personal attachment or disrespecting your opponent. Literally every single metagame that regularly adds components can benefit from tiered play. They offer a different dimension to the experience.
because this board of full of tards who think they know anything about game balance and get upset at a fanmade competitive format being ran and having success with their own rules. Like holy frick why do you care if some fan simulator has restrictions just go play on cart dude if you want baton pass that badly
BOO
NOOOOOOOO!!! BAN IT! BAN IT NOW! I CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT HAX BULLSHIT!AIIIEEEEE!
>primitive singles shitters struggling with baton pass when i teach them how to send out 2 pokemon at once in some kind of weird, civilized format known as a "double battle", and introduce them to an alien concept known as "doubles OU"
bros wtf why is the 2 time national champion using showdown... fricking rat traitor...
These homosexuals made me think using a physical attacker as a special attacker and vice versa was moronic just because of le stats
>Smogon made anon think correctly and he hates them for it to this day
lel
Is campaignshitter a new buzzword?
The only thing about Smogon I don't like is they've started to spam "Amoongus is working at McDonalds" memes when he is still making millions as a VGC superstar
The actual fanfic metas they make (stuff in the "other metagames" tab) are quite fun
How does someone unironically think unrestricted Baton Pass is okay what so ever? Why is it always Baton Pass homosexuals that get so upset when their auto win strat is universally hated for being unfair. Why do they care when cart play is a thing
The specific thing they b***h about doesn't matter, anything is fine as long as they can b***h about it because these people don't argue in good faith, their sole purpose is to screech and fling shit at an easy target, and they will keep doing it as long as there are enough bored people that keep responding to them.
>just get good at the game
Post this powercrept shitter to scare the Smogon Council.
Why is Verlistroon having a meltdown?
>people legitimately upset that some fan made house rules gained popularity that have no impact on the main games what so ever
Hey bro, i believe is time to realize TCGods rocks over VGCucks feat. smogonsissies and their bibeogames full of game design failures
fanfic meta just like VERLISIFY SAYS AND SLAYS SAYING IT!
Smogon days are already counted AHHAHAHAH just die already homosexuals concil incels garbage ass fricking piece of shit homosexuals HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DEID EIDE IJDOIAJOIDJoiasdj
At least put effort into your attempt to make us seem bad, smogon moron
basado
smogon concil gays hqs atm
>BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN metagayme its too centralized
meanwhile everyteam usese gholdengo because its imune to rapid spin and its a excelent pivot(main base strat for 99% of team) cant be more gay than that, smogon is so fricking joke just like 6v6, BSS is true single go play it if you want a true unbanned SKILL BASED with no banned shit game with true commitment matches where you cant keep switching out like a homosexual using pokemon just to sponge hits and keep doing it like a braindead
I don't like smogon so I don't play smogon rules. You guys should get friends and do the same.