I know FF10-2 was released after FF11, but that was definitely the death nail in the whole idea of keeping the Final Fantasy bloodline pure. >We're prestigious because we don't do true sequels. >Oh, btw here's a true sequel. It's also a JPop outfit-swapping simulator.
And yes, I've heard that its job system is actually pretty interesting, that's not the point.
I monkey's paw-ed Square something fierce. After playing Kingdom Hearts 1 I questioned why anyone would ever make a turn based RPG again and why everything wouldn't start to follow the hybrid live action KH model. To my credit that was before KH itself turned into a convoluted string of flashy mid-air floating "mash then dodge" bullshit.
You don't know the amount of normies and tertiaries that all they know about FF is "omg is that cloud from Kingdom Hearts?! he was so cool(edgy)!" and then proceeded to play Remake because all they knew was what FFXIV/XV and KH taught them.
>Before Crisis >Dirge of Cerberus >Movie >Mobile Battle Royale shit >Another mobile game based on Sephiroth >Ads featuring Cloud holding a new mobile phone >The entire compilation
And people say the MMOs ruined Final Fantasy and don't blink twice at what FFVII has done.
If by "keeping alive" you mean "lets trannies infest the rotten corpse of the franchise" than you are right. Nothing after 11 was good. 12 was a mediocre star wars ripoff, 13 was a fricking travesty, 14 bombed so hard it had to be shut down and is now basically just second life for trannies, 15 was garbage and 16 is trash aswell. The series should've ended with X, at least then the suffering would've ended right then and there.
>They should stop making them because I don't like it!
But millions of people are enjoying these games. Even the ones you call trash such as XVI or XV or XIII has a decent fanbase.
>14 is basically just second life for trannies
I tried to play it recently and although it's a decent mmo, what you said is true and the reason I left. They are insufferable and suffocating in the community. It's not just trannies though, it's middle aged women and gay men.
Normal people find you repulsive, that's why they still throw you off rooftops in the middle east. Get over it, nobody likes your kind and forcing them to do so only means that people will voluntarily avoid you.
This is the most blatant WoWgay cope and yet you still try to falseflag like you played it.
I’ve been playing for 2 years and never once had an issue with troony or gay shit which is ironic because I am in many of the content discords.
Unless you’re gonna tell me that seeing a trans or pride flag on their discord icon is “suffocating” then you are full of shit and need to go back to WoW, the actual troon game
100% correct. I do enjoy binging 14 from time to time, but the game is only enjoyable if you treat it as a visual novel and do not interact with the playerbase in any shape or form.
I made a lot of friends in the game, I dunno where this kind of mindset comes from really. I'm born in the late 80's so I've been playing online games for some 25 years or so. RO, eq, wow etc. Making online friends back then was super easy, but it's been absolute cancer for a decade or more, but that changed when I tried FF14 and people really reminded me of comfy social vibes I had in RO back in the day, it's been so easy finding fun people to talk to and chill.
honestly, i think its discord. I make friends in game, but I also only interact with them in game. When you start going into discord, you are going to find out about all the fricked up shit about them which quite frankly is not relevant to the game. There is a saying in arabic, "if you look where you are unwanted, you will find what you don't like".
Well I think that's what happened with social media and everyone having a platform to air out their every opinion. I never had any and I've never wanted one either. I only interact with people ingame, sometimes I'll ask a friend to come play on steam or discord but that's about it, I'm not on any servers so it's just replaced msn messenger for me functionality wise
I fricking hate the mmo, but "net sales" is not what makes money for an mmo, is it? It doesn't include microtransactions or sub fees. The average troony spends more on gender change potions than any sane person would spend on video games in a year.
Or, to make it clearer probably:
That graph shows all the income from the "digital entertainment" sector of SE which is broken up into those 3 categories. There's nowhere else the sub fees, mtx, etc. could be in their financials.
If they kept the MMORPG systems because people just "loved" them so much modern FF would play like Xenoblade and not fricking DMC. I have no idea what Squenix was huffing when it genuinely thought action style games were popular and appealing to casual gamers, when action games usually only appeal to no life sweaty nerds except FF16 is too dumbed down to ever hit that demographic.
>action games usually only appeal to no life sweaty nerds
There used to be a time when turned based RPGs were thought of as being only for the most casual of casual gamers. Way too mainstream, no real "gamer" would want to play one.
>when action games usually only appeal to no life sweaty nerds
???
That belongs to turn based games. A normalgay will chose God of Soi or FF16 over Persona 9 times out of 10.
FF11 people weren't too bad. They understood that FF11 was its own thing very different from the other final fantasy games and more or less kept to themselves when other people were discussing the final fantasy series. FF14 players are cancer and don't realize that mmo shit isn't final fantasy and that no one will ever care about the story or music of that game outside of their bubble
Jesus FF11 are in their own headscape thinking FF11 was a great game. it's a massively timesink that will ruin your life for X amount of years. I've heard people say they almost got into a divorce playing that game.
For what it's worth there were many exploits and other things that ruined the economy for that average player that would force them to be a wageslave like in real life. Yes I get the great was and is great, but FFXIV definitely tackles on the fact that you have a life and it's own content is design for modern MMO players.
I've played Both, I've enjoyed both. I definitely know that the sole reason I've stopped playing Classic FFXI Servers is because I was pursuing a career and a dream and not that.
FFXI players keep themselves because they're aware the game is a massive timesink that didn't age well past WoW's release. Heck FFXI players seethe on any MMO except theirs. They're like cult members who will Seethe the moment u type XIV or WOW.
when ff11 came out there wasn't all the crap we have today, people barely had mobile phones let alone all the shit we have now. people wanted a game to suck their free time, cause they had frick all else to do
Damn homie calm down. Why all the adhd morons in this shitty website think the devs have a gun pointed to their heads demanding you to play the game for 10hrs a day. No one is forcing you to do shit, homosexual. Stop blaming the game
the game is designed to be a timesink. it's not rewarding if you're going through the story at molasses speed. it becomes difficult to even follow the story if you only play here and there
Not to mention you're paying for a sub, so you're also wasting money to boot >stop blaming the game
I blame the genre
>FF11 people weren't too bad. They understood that FF11 was its own thing very different from the other final fantasy games
Why does FF14gays struggle so much with this? >Becoming MMORPGs and action games was always the natural evolution of Final Fantasy from the very beginning!
Frick I hate those c**ts. Why are they like this?
Literally nobody who makes these bait threads has played FF11.
Like jesus frick I own a Vana'diel Collection box and I logged less than 200 hours into FF11. I barely played that game.
>Your Stranger of Paradise, bros?
People never count the spin-offs, even though XVI may as well be a spin-off with how much it deviates gameplay-wise from the mainline entries (which I'd argue the same for XIV). That said, it is a worse Nioh, and god damn I wish SoP had the time/budget to be the game it was meant to be, since it's about 75% of the way there. The DLC did nothing to help that matter either unfortunately.
The fanbase ruined it. The games themselves are decent. Just stop pretending that MMO stories are great and can stand next to real video games. Shadowbringers wasn’t even that good. It was just okay if you compare it to WoW
Enjoy the fact you're more reasonable than the morons kvetching endlessly and you get to enjoy Final Fantasy instead of engaging in endless gen wars about games you've probably not played in a decade.
>They are when they don't matter to anything.
How? They are literal core mechanics. >So are junctions and ATB
Junctions for sure lol but ATB was solid until the PS1 games. >broken and low effort core gameplay and pretend it's reinventing the wheel.
Broken or not it is reinventing the wheel. Try and say XVI is the same as the classic games with a straight face.
>You're the owner of the most popular RPG franchise and somehow you almost went bankrupt
This is a damning condemnation of Square, not a roaring celebration of MMOslopXIV
>Introduces linearity >Goofy character designs >Those repetitive dungeons that do the same mechanic >Peak Anime Story >Long ass cutscenes in between walking >reliance on Reskinned monsters >Road trip!!!! >Summons being more that than glorified spells
Most overrated FF game by a landslide, it's not even close. You have almost zero freedom in this game, the MC is the worst one out of all the fricking games, but hey the combat ain't bad at all I suppose.
They had tons of it, what are you talking about? You had a world map and the means to traverse it, lot of extra locations to visit. The game wasn't just corridor leading into another corridor and at the end of the game you can teleport to whichever corridor you'd like to visit
FFXI was a magical game that came out at just the right time. It's such and old fricking game now and zoomers would never understand having to plan an adventure out with other people with real danger lurking out in the world of lvl 75 era Vanadiel. It was the closest thing to a true DnD experience i've ever had.
Really I want another one like XI but just slightly less grindy, and better UI. That's all, but square doesn't want my money. They want WoW homosexuals money.
Because every time they look at party finder, they are reminded that only a few people do the content compared to the overwhelming amount of erp night clubs.
>XIV relic >grind 1500 tomes per step, which a couple days of roulettes (1-2 hours) will get you
>XI relic >6 months of lock-out + daily 1hr-long Sortie run that nets 43k gallimaufry minimum (high focus & coordination needed) to keep up with the 6 month lock-out, which most pugs can't even reach
I tried liking this game, coming to it fresh last year after having abandoned the franchise (and modern gaming in general) before the seventh gen. I tried really hard. Couldn't do it.
I got to the final boss, stopped, and said "you know what, I stopped enjoying myself 15 hours ago."
It's not one thing, it's everything. There's still some spark of enjoyment, but it's overcrowded by a mountain of "who is this for? Whoever they are, I don't want to meet them."
i played it all the way through because it came for free with the PS3. i think i played TLOU after that and decided consoles weren't for me anymore and haven't owned one since. so thanks to square enix/naughty dog tagteam on that, i guess.
What ruined FF forever was Square-Enix being fricking unable to keep up with the West on the move to the "HD" era, combined with rushing out XIV1.0 to the point they had to cancel/delay a frickload of projects just to reboot it into ARR.
If anything, merging Squaresoft into Enix was when everything began to slow the frick down. Square was in tip-top shape during SNES/PS1/early-PS2 with a ton of releases and various one-off games.
I'm a big FF fan but I've never played XIV. Not because I'm close-minded or anything, but for another, far simpler reason:
I'm extremely frugal and refuse to spend money on a subscription-based game. The payment rate for it is 30 bucks per month where I live, and I'm convinced the investment is simply not worth it, no matter how amazing the game is.
I've been found out. Truth be told, it's not like I'm poor or anything, it's just that I'm an adult with a family and my consciousness feels guilty about allocating resources on a video game with a subscription model.
>The payment rate for it is 30 bucks per month where I live
Where do you fricking live, goddamn.
Also you *could* try the free trial, but if it's legit that fricking expensive for you, yeah I'd also hesitate in case I do end up liking it but that's a fricking rip off.
Despite not being a DQ fan, I know Square Enix made a single-payment/single-player edition of their other MMO, Dragon Quest X. I'd totally be willing to give XIV a try if they did something like that for it, but I doubt there's any demand.
>I know Square Enix made a single-payment/single-player edition of their other MMO, Dragon Quest X
DQX Offline may as well be the bastard child. Plays and looks nothing like the MMO. It's just borrowing it's primary storylines and location names, that's about it. Everything else is new with regards to the structure, progression, area layouts, etc.
>I'd totally be willing to give XIV a try if they did something like that for it, but I doubt there's any demand.
Yeah, I think you're shit outta luck for at least a good while still.
>The payment rate for it is 30 bucks per month where I live
Where do you fricking live, goddamn.
Also you *could* try the free trial, but if it's legit that fricking expensive for you, yeah I'd also hesitate in case I do end up liking it but that's a fricking rip off.
FFXI was the closest a game has ever come to feeling like a fantasy adventure to me. It felt like a real world full of real people who wore pretty armor and could cast magic and shit. It wasn't quite as colorful as it could've been, but I preferred it over WoW's cartoony joke art style or WRPGs which are just black and brown everywhere. Every day was a new adventure, going out to kill monsters or find treasure, and gradually make some progress in some way - or help a stranger do the same. At the time, I couldn't imagine it would ever end. I could've spent an eternity in that world.
>Was lifting the 75 cap that bad or was it something else?
It was primarily mismanagement. By the time the fourth expansion rolled out, they were deep into making XIV1.0, and XI suffered as a result with the worst expansion it ever had coupled with said expansion taking a year and a half longer to resolve its story/post-release content.
The only people who touched 11 and 14 are people who wanted to play MMOs, they have no real affect on the single-player FFs.
The only FFs that can ruin FF are the SP ones, and they've been doing that for a little over a decade wiht the 7 anthology stuff, the 13 trilogy, FF15, etc.
It wasn't so bad with XI since it along with IX & X were announced at the same time. Meanwhile with XIV, we had just XIII, and both of those took ages to come out, and then nothing for years to come besides hastily whipped out XIII sequels.
You never even played 11. Shut up.
The only thing they ruined was the credibility of the "mainline" numbering system and it was already on very thin ice way before these existed.
>it was already on very thin ice way before these existed
How so?
so you don't know
I know FF10-2 was released after FF11, but that was definitely the death nail in the whole idea of keeping the Final Fantasy bloodline pure.
>We're prestigious because we don't do true sequels.
>Oh, btw here's a true sequel. It's also a JPop outfit-swapping simulator.
And yes, I've heard that its job system is actually pretty interesting, that's not the point.
Tactics infulenced the franchise more than most of the numbered games
II is just proto-Saga
Dropped your picture, OP.
VII was fine.
Advent Children and Kingdom hearts were the problem.
I watched advent children over 100 times. it's kino
>kingdom hearts
>a series that barely has anything to do with final fantasy, except for FF characters showing up sometimes
I monkey's paw-ed Square something fierce. After playing Kingdom Hearts 1 I questioned why anyone would ever make a turn based RPG again and why everything wouldn't start to follow the hybrid live action KH model. To my credit that was before KH itself turned into a convoluted string of flashy mid-air floating "mash then dodge" bullshit.
and no game did it as well as kingdom hearts ever again
You don't know the amount of normies and tertiaries that all they know about FF is "omg is that cloud from Kingdom Hearts?! he was so cool(edgy)!" and then proceeded to play Remake because all they knew was what FFXIV/XV and KH taught them.
Did you really just delete your post you fricking homo?
Yes
>Before Crisis
>Dirge of Cerberus
>Movie
>Mobile Battle Royale shit
>Another mobile game based on Sephiroth
>Ads featuring Cloud holding a new mobile phone
>The entire compilation
And people say the MMOs ruined Final Fantasy and don't blink twice at what FFVII has done.
include the remake trilogy in that compilation homosexualry
That too!
>Only thing that's keeping the series alive are MMOs
>Somehow this upsets singlegays
If by "keeping alive" you mean "lets trannies infest the rotten corpse of the franchise" than you are right. Nothing after 11 was good. 12 was a mediocre star wars ripoff, 13 was a fricking travesty, 14 bombed so hard it had to be shut down and is now basically just second life for trannies, 15 was garbage and 16 is trash aswell. The series should've ended with X, at least then the suffering would've ended right then and there.
Mindbroken. Seek help.
>They should stop making them because I don't like it!
But millions of people are enjoying these games. Even the ones you call trash such as XVI or XV or XIII has a decent fanbase.
Millions of flies eat shit too
>14 is basically just second life for trannies
I tried to play it recently and although it's a decent mmo, what you said is true and the reason I left. They are insufferable and suffocating in the community. It's not just trannies though, it's middle aged women and gay men.
Lol oh God, not gay men. You guys are so cooked, get fricked.
Normal people find you repulsive, that's why they still throw you off rooftops in the middle east. Get over it, nobody likes your kind and forcing them to do so only means that people will voluntarily avoid you.
This is the most blatant WoWgay cope and yet you still try to falseflag like you played it.
I’ve been playing for 2 years and never once had an issue with troony or gay shit which is ironic because I am in many of the content discords.
Unless you’re gonna tell me that seeing a trans or pride flag on their discord icon is “suffocating” then you are full of shit and need to go back to WoW, the actual troon game
lol, XIV is troony central
You say that as a WoW player and don’t see the irony
How pathetic can you get?
100% correct. I do enjoy binging 14 from time to time, but the game is only enjoyable if you treat it as a visual novel and do not interact with the playerbase in any shape or form.
I made a lot of friends in the game, I dunno where this kind of mindset comes from really. I'm born in the late 80's so I've been playing online games for some 25 years or so. RO, eq, wow etc. Making online friends back then was super easy, but it's been absolute cancer for a decade or more, but that changed when I tried FF14 and people really reminded me of comfy social vibes I had in RO back in the day, it's been so easy finding fun people to talk to and chill.
honestly, i think its discord. I make friends in game, but I also only interact with them in game. When you start going into discord, you are going to find out about all the fricked up shit about them which quite frankly is not relevant to the game. There is a saying in arabic, "if you look where you are unwanted, you will find what you don't like".
Well I think that's what happened with social media and everyone having a platform to air out their every opinion. I never had any and I've never wanted one either. I only interact with people ingame, sometimes I'll ask a friend to come play on steam or discord but that's about it, I'm not on any servers so it's just replaced msn messenger for me functionality wise
>thing I like about game
>I can make friends
well I was replying to a post about the community, but if you're too dumb to follow then too bad
>Only thing that's keeping the series alive are MMOs
I fricking hate the mmo, but "net sales" is not what makes money for an mmo, is it? It doesn't include microtransactions or sub fees. The average troony spends more on gender change potions than any sane person would spend on video games in a year.
Net sales includes MTX, hence why gacha is there.
Or, to make it clearer probably:
That graph shows all the income from the "digital entertainment" sector of SE which is broken up into those 3 categories. There's nowhere else the sub fees, mtx, etc. could be in their financials.
>has a picture of and probably plays as a baby elf with Down's Syndrome
>thinks he got a sick burn on anyone
>series alive are MMOs
What series? MMOs aren't part of the series, whatever they're keeping alive is better off dead
Think I’ll wait for an exclusive ffxiv thread to participate, no point in letting xi-tards think anyone still plays their game.
If they kept the MMORPG systems because people just "loved" them so much modern FF would play like Xenoblade and not fricking DMC. I have no idea what Squenix was huffing when it genuinely thought action style games were popular and appealing to casual gamers, when action games usually only appeal to no life sweaty nerds except FF16 is too dumbed down to ever hit that demographic.
>action games usually only appeal to no life sweaty nerds
There used to be a time when turned based RPGs were thought of as being only for the most casual of casual gamers. Way too mainstream, no real "gamer" would want to play one.
>when action games usually only appeal to no life sweaty nerds
???
That belongs to turn based games. A normalgay will chose God of Soi or FF16 over Persona 9 times out of 10.
Isn't Persona considered baby's first turn based game anyway, it's very accessible
you are a moron
Yup. Naming MMOs as mainlines was the death knell for Final Fantasy.
also brought in the most insufferable fanboys in existence
entire room cringes when either of these 2 enter the room
How can you unironically say this when VII exists
ill never forget my time there
Best boy in a sea of girls
>TFW they put him in that dissidia mobage
>They also gave him Roxa's JP voice
FF11 people weren't too bad. They understood that FF11 was its own thing very different from the other final fantasy games and more or less kept to themselves when other people were discussing the final fantasy series. FF14 players are cancer and don't realize that mmo shit isn't final fantasy and that no one will ever care about the story or music of that game outside of their bubble
Jesus FF11 are in their own headscape thinking FF11 was a great game. it's a massively timesink that will ruin your life for X amount of years. I've heard people say they almost got into a divorce playing that game.
For what it's worth there were many exploits and other things that ruined the economy for that average player that would force them to be a wageslave like in real life. Yes I get the great was and is great, but FFXIV definitely tackles on the fact that you have a life and it's own content is design for modern MMO players.
I've played Both, I've enjoyed both. I definitely know that the sole reason I've stopped playing Classic FFXI Servers is because I was pursuing a career and a dream and not that.
FFXI players keep themselves because they're aware the game is a massive timesink that didn't age well past WoW's release. Heck FFXI players seethe on any MMO except theirs. They're like cult members who will Seethe the moment u type XIV or WOW.
when ff11 came out there wasn't all the crap we have today, people barely had mobile phones let alone all the shit we have now. people wanted a game to suck their free time, cause they had frick all else to do
Damn homie calm down. Why all the adhd morons in this shitty website think the devs have a gun pointed to their heads demanding you to play the game for 10hrs a day. No one is forcing you to do shit, homosexual. Stop blaming the game
the game is designed to be a timesink. it's not rewarding if you're going through the story at molasses speed. it becomes difficult to even follow the story if you only play here and there
Not to mention you're paying for a sub, so you're also wasting money to boot
>stop blaming the game
I blame the genre
>FF11 people weren't too bad. They understood that FF11 was its own thing very different from the other final fantasy games
Why does FF14gays struggle so much with this?
>Becoming MMORPGs and action games was always the natural evolution of Final Fantasy from the very beginning!
Frick I hate those c**ts. Why are they like this?
It's true. I've accepted that a single player FF can never satisfy me again.
FFXIV single handed gave us: Cancelled of Versus; FFXIII-2 ; FFXIII-3 ; FFXV
They murdered FF not ruins
Literally nobody who makes these bait threads has played FF11.
Like jesus frick I own a Vana'diel Collection box and I logged less than 200 hours into FF11. I barely played that game.
Moreso the idea is that the MMO-ification of core final fantasy, marks the start of casual audience appeal.
I'm glad XI and XIV are mainline and Tactics isn't
XIV is the only good FF ever.
>XIV is the only FF I've ever played
ftfy
Tulia... Zi'Tah.... Home
Your Stranger of Paradise, bros?
>Your Stranger of Paradise, bros?
People never count the spin-offs, even though XVI may as well be a spin-off with how much it deviates gameplay-wise from the mainline entries (which I'd argue the same for XIV). That said, it is a worse Nioh, and god damn I wish SoP had the time/budget to be the game it was meant to be, since it's about 75% of the way there. The DLC did nothing to help that matter either unfortunately.
For me, it's Sea
Al'Taieu was something else, man.
The fanbase ruined it. The games themselves are decent. Just stop pretending that MMO stories are great and can stand next to real video games. Shadowbringers wasn’t even that good. It was just okay if you compare it to WoW
>shadowbringers wasn’t even good
How to spot a falseflagging WoWhomosexual who worships muh jailer
>played every mainline except XVI and IX
>not my fav but still love XIV
what do
keep winning
Enjoy the fact you're more reasonable than the morons kvetching endlessly and you get to enjoy Final Fantasy instead of engaging in endless gen wars about games you've probably not played in a decade.
Play IX now to remember what a good FF game looks like
I've been kinda saving it as a trump card, but I'll probably wind up finally playing it within the next year if all goes well.
those games are both shit but the problems run deeper.
they can't make a good single-player game anymore.
the MMOslop is irrelevant to that
>They are when they don't matter to anything.
How? They are literal core mechanics.
>So are junctions and ATB
Junctions for sure lol but ATB was solid until the PS1 games.
>broken and low effort core gameplay and pretend it's reinventing the wheel.
Broken or not it is reinventing the wheel. Try and say XVI is the same as the classic games with a straight face.
Didn't XIV save SE though?
XI saved it. XIV more like it almost destroyed it.
I know 1.0 was a disaster, I was talking about ARR
The answer is still no, even if you split 14 into two games for some strange reason. See the chart.
are you moronic?
14 almost sunk SE, and then it became mildly profitable afterwards.
mobile games did
>You're the owner of the most popular RPG franchise and somehow you almost went bankrupt
This is a damning condemnation of Square, not a roaring celebration of MMOslopXIV
Final Fantasy has never once been the most popular RPG franchise, ever. FF7 was the closest it ever came, but even that isn't true.
Ok, let's hear it. What RPG franchise was more popular than Final Fantasy in the 00s?
Pokemon.
I guess, but that's stretching the definition of RPG
Anyone who cries that FF9 was "slow" should play FF14 to gain some perspective.
>play an MMO to gain perspective on a singleplayer game
kek
>has to separate mmoslop from normal games cause he knows he's right
>Introduces linearity
>Goofy character designs
>Those repetitive dungeons that do the same mechanic
>Peak Anime Story
>Long ass cutscenes in between walking
>reliance on Reskinned monsters
>Road trip!!!!
>Summons being more that than glorified spells
I like X, but it is the template for bad FF.
But vii made summons just be glorified spells
Im talking about combat.
Most overrated FF game by a landslide, it's not even close. You have almost zero freedom in this game, the MC is the worst one out of all the fricking games, but hey the combat ain't bad at all I suppose.
Cringe
Yeah, it's cringe too you're right
>implying 7, 8, 9 had freedom
They had tons of it, what are you talking about? You had a world map and the means to traverse it, lot of extra locations to visit. The game wasn't just corridor leading into another corridor and at the end of the game you can teleport to whichever corridor you'd like to visit
>world map
there was only one way to go most of the time
Even if there are points in the story where there was one place to go, you still had the option of revisting old places.
X suffered not just from story and gameplay linearity, but geographic linearity.
You could actually go back to old places too but only starting from mihen road
That is true, but it was a slog.
What part of X is anime?
Besides maybe the water sword
The main character is an entity modeled after an imagined pas andt created by dead souls.
Now, while I think that's a cool storyline, it's anime as hell.
(Remember, I don't think X was bad, I just think X is the template for bad FFs.)
>Introduces linearity
lmao your precious world maps were always linear because there was always some bullshit restricting your travel according to story progression
>Long ass cutscenes in between walking
this is just the modern version of characters standing around with textboxes for 30 minutes so I don't get why people complain about this
>Road trip!!!!
ruins them how? ff14 is pumping all the money it makes into other projects
~0.79
anyone got the post about the NA troony playing on EU?
Something along the lines "Looks like we got an american in our mid"
while this is true, OP never played FF11 and you''re a homosexual for mass replying.
Idk how anyone could deny XIV isn't a troony game. I recently joined a new FC and the Discord is full of trannies and pronoun shit.
WoW might have troony devs but XIV has troony players.
>joining a discord
I don't know what you were expecting. Don't join troony FCs if you don't want troony shit.
>I don't know what you were expecting
I was expecting to chat to my FC outside of the game?
FFXI was a magical game that came out at just the right time. It's such and old fricking game now and zoomers would never understand having to plan an adventure out with other people with real danger lurking out in the world of lvl 75 era Vanadiel. It was the closest thing to a true DnD experience i've ever had.
Really I want another one like XI but just slightly less grindy, and better UI. That's all, but square doesn't want my money. They want WoW homosexuals money.
I never play those
what i am missing?
Why are XIV cucks so mindbroken?
Because every time they look at party finder, they are reminded that only a few people do the content compared to the overwhelming amount of erp night clubs.
What is actually up with that? I'm seeing so many morons use it like ok cupid. Ironic or not, it's pretty sad.
Idk kinda wanna resub but when I think of YoshiP stans on Ganker and some of the morons on Crystal I kinda start thinking nah....
Aether isn't even better, they just end up on the other side of the spectrum.
>XIV relic
>grind 1500 tomes per step, which a couple days of roulettes (1-2 hours) will get you
>XI relic
>6 months of lock-out + daily 1hr-long Sortie run that nets 43k gallimaufry minimum (high focus & coordination needed) to keep up with the 6 month lock-out, which most pugs can't even reach
Wrong.
Wrong.
npc post right there
I tried liking this game, coming to it fresh last year after having abandoned the franchise (and modern gaming in general) before the seventh gen. I tried really hard. Couldn't do it.
I got to the final boss, stopped, and said "you know what, I stopped enjoying myself 15 hours ago."
It's not one thing, it's everything. There's still some spark of enjoyment, but it's overcrowded by a mountain of "who is this for? Whoever they are, I don't want to meet them."
XIV? Same.
i played it all the way through because it came for free with the PS3. i think i played TLOU after that and decided consoles weren't for me anymore and haven't owned one since. so thanks to square enix/naughty dog tagteam on that, i guess.
Literally the obly hood final fantasy games in the last 2 decades
>dude I've never really played a final fantasy before except for this and ff16 is the best game ever dude
What ruined FF forever was Square-Enix being fricking unable to keep up with the West on the move to the "HD" era, combined with rushing out XIV1.0 to the point they had to cancel/delay a frickload of projects just to reboot it into ARR.
If anything, merging Squaresoft into Enix was when everything began to slow the frick down. Square was in tip-top shape during SNES/PS1/early-PS2 with a ton of releases and various one-off games.
>being fricking unable to keep up with the West on the move to the "HD" era, combined with rushing out XIV1.0
both of these things were crystal tools
Many other JP devs had no issue transitioning to 720p/1080p workflows with inhouse engines. SE just fricked up internally in particular.
I'm a big FF fan but I've never played XIV. Not because I'm close-minded or anything, but for another, far simpler reason:
I'm extremely frugal and refuse to spend money on a subscription-based game. The payment rate for it is 30 bucks per month where I live, and I'm convinced the investment is simply not worth it, no matter how amazing the game is.
>I'm convinced the investment is simply not worth it
you're more correct than you know.
>where I live
Brazil?
I've been found out. Truth be told, it's not like I'm poor or anything, it's just that I'm an adult with a family and my consciousness feels guilty about allocating resources on a video game with a subscription model.
Despite not being a DQ fan, I know Square Enix made a single-payment/single-player edition of their other MMO, Dragon Quest X. I'd totally be willing to give XIV a try if they did something like that for it, but I doubt there's any demand.
>I know Square Enix made a single-payment/single-player edition of their other MMO, Dragon Quest X
DQX Offline may as well be the bastard child. Plays and looks nothing like the MMO. It's just borrowing it's primary storylines and location names, that's about it. Everything else is new with regards to the structure, progression, area layouts, etc.
>I'd totally be willing to give XIV a try if they did something like that for it, but I doubt there's any demand.
Yeah, I think you're shit outta luck for at least a good while still.
>The payment rate for it is 30 bucks per month where I live
Where do you fricking live, goddamn.
Also you *could* try the free trial, but if it's legit that fricking expensive for you, yeah I'd also hesitate in case I do end up liking it but that's a fricking rip off.
FFXI was the closest a game has ever come to feeling like a fantasy adventure to me. It felt like a real world full of real people who wore pretty armor and could cast magic and shit. It wasn't quite as colorful as it could've been, but I preferred it over WoW's cartoony joke art style or WRPGs which are just black and brown everywhere. Every day was a new adventure, going out to kill monsters or find treasure, and gradually make some progress in some way - or help a stranger do the same. At the time, I couldn't imagine it would ever end. I could've spent an eternity in that world.
Why the hell did it fizzle out that hard anyway? Was lifting the 75 cap that bad or was it something else?
>Was lifting the 75 cap that bad or was it something else?
It was primarily mismanagement. By the time the fourth expansion rolled out, they were deep into making XIV1.0, and XI suffered as a result with the worst expansion it ever had coupled with said expansion taking a year and a half longer to resolve its story/post-release content.
MMOs in general had their "golden age" pass.
I enjoy current FFXI, but it certainly does not have the same type of experience it used to.
what went wrong?
*Culturally replaces both Final Fantasy and Zelda in a two-year period while neither of their creators bothers to try making a competitive game*
Get mad I guess
Yes, chink developers sponsored by the CCP have successfully subverted japenese devs, but that's not what we're talking about in here.
no, japanese devs subverted themselves
>sponsored by the CCP
they weren't until after genshin got big.
SE's obsession with graphical fidelity is what ultimately ruined FF. It's also what fricked up XIV 1.0.
The only people who touched 11 and 14 are people who wanted to play MMOs, they have no real affect on the single-player FFs.
The only FFs that can ruin FF are the SP ones, and they've been doing that for a little over a decade wiht the 7 anthology stuff, the 13 trilogy, FF15, etc.
It wasn't so bad with XI since it along with IX & X were announced at the same time. Meanwhile with XIV, we had just XIII, and both of those took ages to come out, and then nothing for years to come besides hastily whipped out XIII sequels.
Come home to Horizon white man. There is nothing for us in modern MMOs.
Advent Children ruined FF as it made SE obsessed with the idea of turning FF action based. Now we're at 16, which is a fricking garbage game.
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