In increasingly stupid ways, I might add.
It's a lot of midwit 'conspiracy' thinking when the troubles, and ultimate failure, of TSR were apparent for years before it happened.
Don Kaye was Gygax's best friend so when he was trying to get people to play D&D for the first time he let Kaye make a special snowflake gunslinger in his low fantasy setting. Then Kaye told Gygax he should start TSR and then up and died so we're forever stuck with moronic characters in our game because Gary didn't have the balls to tell his friend he was being a homosexual.
Gygax is responsible for the game being high fantasy because he's the one that decided to add ridiculous reality altering spells to the table for his wizard players >b-but usually people died before getting there
and sometimes they didn't 🙂
You have a personal character, but half the characters in OD&D gained warbands as they leveled up, including the potential for hundreds of followers and your own castle, you moron.
THIS.
also; fighters usually found and scavenged whatever gear they could, so all the actually loot they got they could spend. on w/e. and any actual fighter that wanted to live long, spent that gold on hirelings and soldiers.
in actual ADnD and not fricking bladur's gate, y midlevel, a fighter HOULD be running at least a small outfit of decently geared mercs (from scavenging their kills) and using them as meatshields.
I agree with the idea I expressed in that post, roleplaying taken to extremes is kinda homosexual, someone put it well that role playing isn’t playacting and that making decisions your character would make is enough. No multi-page backstories, no homosexual voices.
which is why D&D sucks. There isn't roleplaying in it really, and gameplay it's just a manually done video game RPG. In which case you may as well boot up your PC and play a game
can't tell if zoomer or genuinely mentally moronic
d&d came first, it's the computer games that copied it because it was so good. Also the boot up your pc argument applies equally well to war games
I think D&D should be played as a semi-video game on VTTs with automatic table lookups, calculators, and hyperlinked reference documents. With that a shitload of crunch can be added
Gygax and Arneson created the roleplaying game by inventing the game part. If you want to roleplay without the game, you're welcome to do so, but that doesn't belong on /tg/ because we're a board about games.
That is incorrect.
The purpose of Holmes Basic was to better organize OD&D.
All mentions of AD&D where inserted by an editor.
https://zenopusarchives.blogspot.com/2013/11/at-long-last.html
Reading his Wikipedia article, post-war American sounds like an amazing place. Imagine being able to just bumble through a string of low-level office jobs like Gygax, still be able to afford a house, marrying a 19 year old tomboy, pumping 5 kids into her, and then just making millions of dollars selling games.
Like damn, nowadays there's insane competition and if you're a game writer at most you'll probably get some beer money to supplement your 8th grade history teacher gig.
I was just reading some old Dragon magazines and holy frick Gary comes off as a massive dick, especially when he's talking about Dave. Here's him dissing Dave for complaining about his design philosophy and early D&D.
>DUNGEONS & DRAGONS differed considerably from Dave's "Blackmoor" campaign, just as the latter differed from CHAINMAIL. >But, based on the reception given to the game by the others testing it, he had to agree that it was acceptable. >Although D&D was not Dave's game system by any form or measure, he was given co-billing as an author for his valuable idea kernels. >He complained bitterly that the game wasn't right, but the other readers/players loved it.
Arneson Maxxer.
was played with only Strategos N as the combat resolution system.
? More like Chainfail.
was played with only Strategos N as the combat resolution system
Woah, is that so?
Partially true, it's a discussed topic in the blogosphere.
I was mostly being ironic since the OP was so hyperbolic.
Please tell me that Don Kaye's nickname was "Balls"
Don Kaye's nickname was "Balls"
lol Don Kaye Balls
Wouldn't it be Don "Balls" Kaye?
Whats this referencing?
TSR collapsing.
In increasingly stupid ways, I might add.
It's a lot of midwit 'conspiracy' thinking when the troubles, and ultimate failure, of TSR were apparent for years before it happened.
>In increasingly stupid ways,
Yes that's how expanding brain memes work.
The Ambush at Sheridan Springs
Shrek, It's how he pronounces donkey.
Don Kaye was Gygax's best friend so when he was trying to get people to play D&D for the first time he let Kaye make a special snowflake gunslinger in his low fantasy setting. Then Kaye told Gygax he should start TSR and then up and died so we're forever stuck with moronic characters in our game because Gary didn't have the balls to tell his friend he was being a homosexual.
Gygax is responsible for the game being high fantasy because he's the one that decided to add ridiculous reality altering spells to the table for his wizard players
>b-but usually people died before getting there
and sometimes they didn't 🙂
Harry G. John is the villain of the TSR story
Roleplaying would've been fine if we'd have just kept women away like he said.
When did he say that?
At some point .
How'd he ruin roleplaying??
His idea of roleplaying was a wargame where you control 1 guy, he didn't actually give much of a frick about roleplaying at all.
>a wargame where you control 1 guy
>1 guy
lol
There's nothing wrong with that; however, I think it's everyone else's fault for thinking it was the only correct way to play roleplaying games.
You have a personal character, but half the characters in OD&D gained warbands as they leveled up, including the potential for hundreds of followers and your own castle, you moron.
THIS.
also; fighters usually found and scavenged whatever gear they could, so all the actually loot they got they could spend. on w/e. and any actual fighter that wanted to live long, spent that gold on hirelings and soldiers.
in actual ADnD and not fricking bladur's gate, y midlevel, a fighter HOULD be running at least a small outfit of decently geared mercs (from scavenging their kills) and using them as meatshields.
OK what's your idea of roleplaying if you're so great?
I agree with the idea I expressed in that post, roleplaying taken to extremes is kinda homosexual, someone put it well that role playing isn’t playacting and that making decisions your character would make is enough. No multi-page backstories, no homosexual voices.
It is extremely homosexual. Roleplaying games aren't amateur theatre.
which is why D&D sucks. There isn't roleplaying in it really, and gameplay it's just a manually done video game RPG. In which case you may as well boot up your PC and play a game
>There isn't roleplaying in it really, and gameplay it's just a manually done video game RPG.
>eggs suck because chickens are better
can't tell if zoomer or genuinely mentally moronic
d&d came first, it's the computer games that copied it because it was so good. Also the boot up your pc argument applies equally well to war games
I think D&D should be played as a semi-video game on VTTs with automatic table lookups, calculators, and hyperlinked reference documents. With that a shitload of crunch can be added
BASED!
I feel the sudden urge to make half-elves.
boomers shouldn't play games
He fricking invented roleplaying, so I guess its fine that he "ruined" it.
Gygax and Arneson created the roleplaying game by inventing the game part. If you want to roleplay without the game, you're welcome to do so, but that doesn't belong on /tg/ because we're a board about games.
Yeah I thought these Collaborative Storytelling Exercise guys had a board for CSEs? Isn't it called qst?
Wow, the first RPG sucks at being an RPG. Do you also blame Pong for ruining video games?
Stop being a heretic. There is only One Edition, and E. Gary Gygax is its Author.
Holmes Basic was written by Holmes???
Holmes Basic was written as an introductory set (they call them "Quickstart Sets" today) for AD&D. It is included in the One Edition.
That is incorrect.
The purpose of Holmes Basic was to better organize OD&D.
All mentions of AD&D where inserted by an editor.
https://zenopusarchives.blogspot.com/2013/11/at-long-last.html
Fine. It was *published* as an introductory set. Is all our 'tisms in a neat little row now?
Reading his Wikipedia article, post-war American sounds like an amazing place. Imagine being able to just bumble through a string of low-level office jobs like Gygax, still be able to afford a house, marrying a 19 year old tomboy, pumping 5 kids into her, and then just making millions of dollars selling games.
Like damn, nowadays there's insane competition and if you're a game writer at most you'll probably get some beer money to supplement your 8th grade history teacher gig.
A table with TWO women? What an incredible fantasy!
Gary's daughters were among the first D&D playtesters.
>Invents roleplaying
>refuses to elaborate
>dies
>OP creates a shit thread out of jealusy because he will never make anthing of his life.
I was just reading some old Dragon magazines and holy frick Gary comes off as a massive dick, especially when he's talking about Dave. Here's him dissing Dave for complaining about his design philosophy and early D&D.
>DUNGEONS & DRAGONS differed considerably from Dave's "Blackmoor" campaign, just as the latter differed from CHAINMAIL.
>But, based on the reception given to the game by the others testing it, he had to agree that it was acceptable.
>Although D&D was not Dave's game system by any form or measure, he was given co-billing as an author for his valuable idea kernels.
>He complained bitterly that the game wasn't right, but the other readers/players loved it.
LOL