what happened? wasn't a VII Remake supposed to be a cash cow for Square? Will Part 3 be canceled?
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1778572379465060604
[Sad News] Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is massively underperforming sales
what happened? wasn't a VII Remake supposed to be a cash cow for Square? Will Part 3 be canceled?
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1778572379465060604
Good news
Someone should post pic rel on SE's twatter page every single day. Non-stop, with a message stating:
>this is all you had to do
make a 5 hour game?
Make a 1:1 remake with no moronic plot changes, no time jannies, no sweet baby, and keep it turn based. Its so simple, only a pajeet would fail to understand.
>no sweet baby
Sweet baby weren't involved with Remake or Rebirth.
They were, and the Forwoken devs were rehired and worked on Rebirth for a period of one year.
>They were
You're so obsessed with them that you think they're in every game.
Even though they don't even appear in the credits kek.
>Defending sweet baby slop
No one is defending them.
You're seeing them in games that don't have their involvement.
Sweet Baby is an official Square Enix partner
Ok. That doesn't mean they work on every single SE game now does it?
They did with Rebirth.
Afraid not. Not a single name in the credits.
You think it has to be in the credits? Nice cope.
>Needing proof for my claims? Nah
So they only worked on it in your headcanon.
>Ignores the fact that they're an official SE partner
follow this post chain
until you can prove they worked on rebirth with a source, no headcanon conjecture.
Sweet Baby being an official partner of SE's isn't headcanon. I accept your concession.
make a good game.
If the original has 5 hours of content, yeah, don't make it ten times longer by adding ubisoft towers and MMO sidequests
Knew the game was going to be shit the moment chudley contacted cloud about activating the towers
>MMO sidequests
lol didn't play the game
Its proof he did. MMO fetch quests alongside endless minigame padding
>MMO fetch quests
lmao Now I know you didn't play it either. You're just repeating shitposts because of how much rebirth makes you upset.
I finished the game and refunded it, anon
what we got instead should've been 5 hours long and that would've actually carried the mediocre gameplay with an onslaught of spectacle for the mainstream audience they actually wanted
everyone is rushing to try and get clicks by saying it's under performing, but these hot takes don't consider development time and budget at all. Remake took around 6 years to make, plus an extra 7th for it's dlc. Rebirth only took 3 years to make. So the amount of sales it needs to turn profit is much lower. Plus Remake launched at $60 and Rebirth is selling for $70. Square will do fine
>source: my ass
the development time is public information moron
Is the development budget? Cause it sounds like
>Source: my ass
Just like how it's underperforming.
time to 41% yourself, barry
adjusted for inflation they're still making less
It turning a small or even decent profit is irrelevant. This is a "remake" of one of the most famous games of all time, you don't casually shed 50% of your players between titles and go "phew, still made money". Square somehow managed to frick up the unfrickable
Somehow? What the frick do you mean "somehow"?
It's was obvious from the very beginning! Normies don't finish games. Look at the achievent percentage.
Why the frick would they buy a sequel to a game they never bothered to finish? Why would they buy a whole new console for it?
Is there a single non-moronic person at square?
>Normies don't finish games. Look at the achievent percentage
Yeah only 58% of players beat Spider-Man 2 and only 20% got the platinum.
>one of the most famous games of all time
Times have changes grandpa, the game has 14 million copies out there over a span of nearly 30 years. Pales in comparison to what other mainstream games did over the years
>Times have changes grandpa
This is also true. SE waited too long to remake it. Genx and millenials who played the original are getting too old to play massive games like FF7 and having the economy go to shit around the time the remake project finally got off the ground meant there wasn't as much disposable income around for them to support the game. The time to remake it and cash in on the nostalgia was beginning of the PS4 era, not at the tail end (really they should've remade after the PS3 tech demo when hype was at its apex but that's a different story). SE restructuring the Versus project into XV unironically fricked it up as well since Versus XIII should've been released during the end of the PS3 era and REMAKE should've released when XV ended up releasing. Remember how hyped everyone was in 2015 when remake was announced? That's when it should've came out. It spent way too long in development hell (took them almost 7 years if you include the cyberconnect outsourcing) and by the time it came out the world moved on, and no one really cared anymore except die hard FF fans. Then you have it not actually being a remake and all the goodwill from the majority of them completely evaporated. SE is such a massive frick up of a company it's insane.
>Genx and millenials who played the original are getting too old to play massive games like FF7
>there wasn't as much disposable income around for them to support the game.
lol this is just not true.
millenials and genx boomers are busy trying to buy houses at insanely inflated prices. the economy is absolute dogshit rn. a house around $100,000 in 2015 is now $300,000. they are not thinking about video games besides the latest nintendo mario slop that they can play with their families (and especially not 100+ hr jrps locked down to a $500 console)
this is it right here. as an oldgay myself it wasn't so much about money as time. i get maybe like 6-8 hours of gaming a week if I'm lucky so i have to be deliberate about what I'm playing. naturally the backlog grows exponentially this way too so there's a bunch of games ahead of this. I love ff7 and I'd frickin love to play this game and remake but realistically i won't for another year or so
>more damage controlling babble
>Rebirth only took 3 years to make.
You realise that development on rebirth didn't start when remake released, right? They were developed together.
I know the word gets thrown around a lot, but frick me, this is genuine coping.
Quit coping, reduction in sales in a sequel is NORMAL for literally any franchise, you don't need to pretend the FF7 remake series somehow defys that. Unless, you actually think if the sales were bad enough, they'd cancel part 3, which is NEVER going to happen.
So just be honest, instead of treating it like its perfect, ok?
Except for
>Fromsoft games
>DMC games
>RDR 2
>GTA games
>Witcher
And I could go on, but I think your gigacope has been sated for now. As dumb as consoomers are, you DON'T have to work so hard to sell copies when you have a good product. Remake was divisive and lost a lot of customers along the way, it's that simple
>Remake was divisive
Weird how none of the sites collecting reviews show this.
Because reviews are worthless. Literally any discussion of the game at some point in actual forums with real humans brings up the story shit, case in point. Even the dick riding Reddit reviews had their fair share of "I hated the last chapter, but..."
>The game was divisive
>None of the reviews online show this
>Because other opinions are worthless.
>Only I matter and I say the game was divisive
ok
moron every thread on this game has people (plural) shitting on the changes. I'm sorry your game flopped but even your cope is sub IQ
>every thread on this game
>Ganker represents the majority opinion
lmao
>reduction in sales in a sequel is NORMAL for literally any franchise
Persona 5 and Shin Megami Tensei V both outsold the previous entries in their respective series'
Neither of those are sequels like FF7 Rebirth is. They have almost nothing to do with previous entries in the series, Rebirth is a continuation in the same story.
sirs please buy console, we have bobs and vegeta
How many copies did Strikers, PQ2, Tactica and P3R sell? oh wait
SMT5 is dogshit compare to 4 which was dogshit compare to the peak that is Nocturne.
>Nocturnebabs
>5toddlers
>I'm a duplicitous c**t
And we wonder why the game industry is turning to shit at record pace.
AAA companies don't put down millions of dollars to start a IP to make a little bit of profit. The heavy investment in the first series is supposed to get all those assets in place to pay off on the sequels. Now the sequels are underperforming.
>Rebirth only took 3 years to make. So the amount of sales it needs to turn profit is much lower. Plus Remake launched at $60 and Rebirth is
The credits are 3x longer for Rebirth than Remake anon. It came out quicker because Square farmed it out to more studios but that costs more money.
Square aren't announcing sales figures because they'll have to explain to shareholders why they were celebrating a game with potentially 3x the development costs selling half as much.
Mooglets? More like MONGLETS.
>The credits are 3x longer for Rebirth than Remake anon
https://www.mobygames.com/game/141485/final-fantasy-vii-remake/credits/playstation-4
https://www.mobygames.com/game/218917/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth/credits/playstation-5
1.4 times
>farmed it out to more studios but that costs more money.
outsourcing means they're keeping the budget lower and having it come out quicker.
also
>PTW International UK Ltd.
Is just a localization firm which takes up a big credit of rebirth.
cope: the post
It's FF7. If you told anyone 10 years ago that the remake of the legendary game that CREATED the AAA game format will only sell about 2 million copies you would've been laughed out of the room. This was supposed to be their sacred cash cow. "Square will do fine" is not good enough and absolutely not what their investors wanted. They seriously fricked it up.
Cope
>Rebirth only took 3 years to make.
>We’ve already begun working on the next one as well, but I’m confident that playing through this title will expand your expectations just like the world that extends beyond Midgar.
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-developers
No one likes your shitty game homosexual
>people who played rebirth all seem to love the game
>people who didn't play the game are all barry tier doomer moron shitposters
What a shock
>i-i-it reviewed well, CHUD! That means everyone who played it loved it!
What's funny is that SS has the same metacritic as Rebirth and also saw a dramatic sales drop from the last game.
>also saw a dramatic sales drop from the last game.
Everyone had already given up on the Wii by the time SS released. 2011 was a ghost town when it came to Wii releases. Doesn't help that the game wasn't very good either.
SS isn't a bad game, just easy.
SS is crap anon. It takes the gameplay and structural problems from WW and TP, and dials them up to 11 without much of the additional substance that made those games more tolerable. Its hyper linearity and railroading also work against its side quests and the new crafting/durability mechanics (which were conceptually sound and hilariously more robust than in the Wild games, but put in the most inappropriate game possible).
>Release bait and switch "remake"
>People don't but sequel
>Said sequels ending leaks online showing they botched the most iconic moment in the franchise
>"NOOOO PART 2 IS ACTUALLY GOOD IT HAS MINIGAMES!"
All good faith has been lost, especially when Remake itself also got good reviews that prove they can't be trusted
So together, the FF7R duo has almost 10 year development time. And it will be easily over 10 years when FF7 Restart or whatever comes out.
Over 10 years for 3 games with fricking high budget with each one. They should together reach 50m at least.
It is FINAL_FRICKING_FANTASY_VII
Its severely underselling 16, which was prior the worst selling FF ever made.
>It is FINAL_FRICKING_FANTASY_VII
how many copies do you think the original FFVII sold?
Well by the end of 2005 it sold 9.8 million which is more than even FF7 Remake has done.
>Well by the end of 2005
>8 years later
>only 2 million ahead of 7remake's sales after 3 years of sales
wow you sure made 7re look good anon.
Except FF7's opening Famitsu sales were 2 million by themselves in Japan only.
FF7 was doing CONSIDERABLY better at launch than Remake or Rebirth, even when taking installbase of the PS1 at the time into account (it was about 10 million)
10m on PS1 alone
FF7Remake has PS4, PS5, and PC
FF7Rebirth has PS5 and PC
Gaming is more popular than ever, FF7 is bigger name than it was back then, and PS5 really doesn't have other games or especially JRPGs taking sales from FF7R trilogy.
I would expect each game in R trilogy to sell at least 10m, prob more.
>FF7 is bigger name than it was back then
Actual moron
>10m on PS1 alone
FF7 came to pc in 1998 and sold over a million.
Over three games? That would mean Demake is a massive flop
>FF7Rebirth has PS5 and PC
>PC
Where?
Probably in 6 months or less at this rate.
>a hasty and sloppy port (again)
PC isn't saving them
>6 months
So why are we claiming sales numbers for a version of the game that isn't out yet?
Also
FF7, FF8, and FF9 together sold around ~23m copies.
FF7 releases in 1997. FF9 released in 2000.
More people know about FFVII now than before it released on PS1. That is simply a fact. Just take people who bought the og plus cultural impact of FFVII.
SMRPG on SNES sold 2m copies
Remake on Switch sold 3m copies already
Fair enough.
Soon
Talk to anyone under 30 and none of them will know what FF7 is.
why would I want to talk to anyone under 30?
>Talk to anyone under 30 and none of them will know what FF7 is
Both of my little sisters(17,25) know what FFVII is. Sony advertises FFVIIR so that makes Playstation audience know what the game is already. Remake announcement alone was fricking huge.
are they cute
Because their big brother (you) told about how he was a fanboy for FF7 when he was young.
WOW OK LET ME GO ASK A BUNCH OF ORPHANS IN NIGERIA IF THEY KNOW WHAT FF7 IS AND WHEN THEY GO "NGWA NGWA" THAT MUST PROVE REBIRTH WAS A FLOP
The lack of sales prove it was a flop though
By that logic, Minecraft is the greatest game of all time
Shills should spend more time buying the game if you want it to succeed
Countershills should play video games instead of crying about games they never played.
I refunded Rebirth after finishing it, it wasn't worth $70
Ok, congratulations, spend that $70 on a therapy session since the game seemed to affect you so gratuitously.
Fanboys malding after poor sales
Not an argument. Get help.
It flopped. There's nothing else, its over.
Are the sales numbers in the walls?
>I watched my favorite streamer play it
FTFY
im just saying kids these days don't care about FF7 like we did back in 1997.
Kids these days don't care about anything because their parents threw a tablet at them when they were 6 months old so all they do is browse Shittok and vape all day
I don't know how popular FF7 was back then, but I feel like FF8 and 9 were always more popular. They usually had the FMV opening cutscenes to show off the PS1 console in local game stores, I guess because the character models didn't look as "ugly" as FF7 Also kids in my class never talked about FF7
this. my 18yo nephew only knows about it because my brother and I talk about it sometimes. otherwise he might've barely been vaguely aware of it but no zoomers play FF. we even set it up for him on his pc but he's just not going to play it, at least not anytime soon. it's just not something zoomers are interested in
>More people know about FFVII now than before it released on PS1. That is simply a fact. Just take people who bought the og plus cultural impact of FFVII.
This is a large part of why the development strategy for remake was flawed from the start. Everyone knows direct sequels never sell as well as the original games. SE should have learned this lesson from FFX and X-2, and even more from FF13 and it's sequels. That said, for a direct sequel on PS5 which has literally half the install base of the PS4, and compared to declining sales of similarly situated direct sequels like FFX-2 and FF13-2/LR, FF7R has actually done surprisingly well. I think it will get a boost on PS5 Pro hits and again on PC but it will never match the first instalments sales.
Separately, I wonder how the 3rd part will do. I know several people who are just waiting for the final part to get the whole trilogy at once.
>FF7R has actually done surprisingly well
It's done okay but the issue is that it probably had a larger budget than Remake, at least if you don't include the reboot period where they broke with Cyber Connect 2.
>I think it will get a boost on PS5 Pro hits and again on PC but it will never match the first instalments sales.
Most AAA games rarely have a long tail unless they have an active modding communtiy (ala Skyrim) or they basically get 'rediscovered' down the line as a cult classic.
For instance, the PS4 Pro didn't really do much to bump the sales of existing PS4 games at the time
People's issue with FF7 Rebirth isn't a performance issue, it's just that there's a lot of shit coming out and it's not really like people have THAT much time to play an old game when a new game is about to come out
it's now over 18 million or something like that
at the time it released it was the best selling game ever, but the market was a lot smaller back then. it's hard to explain to zoomers just how monumental FF7 was in the 90s. It changed gaming as we knew it and you would not have triple AAA games today without it.
>it's now over 18 million
Only 14 million
>at the time it released it was the best selling game ever
Super Mario Bros 3. sold 18 million on the NES.
And that's not counting the games that came with the NES like Super Mario Bros and Duck Hunt.
>He thinks Square give a shit about profitability
Anon, they sold off all of their Western studios and have pissed away a ton of money on freemium and NFT bullshit. Square only care about sales numbers and these numbers are nothing special. Even the Mario RPG remake and fricking Pikmin have done better.
>Rebirth only took 3 years to make
It depends on if you include the failed Cyber Connect2 Remake prototype
Remake took 3-4 years to make once they rebooted development to be internal only.
That being said, Rebirth is a MUCH bigger game, so it's very possible that they brought on more people for it. Open world zones take more resources, generally speaking, to make than linear corridors and smaller hubs.
We know that 80-90% of remake's staff stuck around for Rebirth, but that doesn't mean 80-90% of Rebirth's staff are from Remake. They likely could have brought more Technical artists over to help with just the sheer amount of shit in Rebirth
Altogether, we're looking at about 3.5 years of dev time with a team that was likely larger than that of Remake.
>Square will do fine
...claims some random moron on twitter
Same shit with FF16, Square have bullshit high sale expectation for their games to the point that if it wasn't an exclusive game, it will still underperform.
Well it's not a VII remake, for starters. Thanks for getting your Kingdom Hearts autism everywhere Nomura!
>playstation exclusive
>Black worship
>censoring tifas flashback
Deserved. Based.
there were seriously way too many Black folks in the game. like everyone in kalm was black even the mayor lmao
nostalgia cash grabs are supposed to be short and sweet not some multi decades project
Remake is going to be 8 years not "multi decade"
they started production in 2013
They are toying with remake since compilation BS.
FF7R was supposed to be SE last hurrah.
One release in the decade between 2010s and 2020s
Other between 2020s and 2030s
So now that FF is dead and DQ is also on the brink of death how will SE survive?
NFTs? lol
They should really let this guy direct a FF game for laughs. At least it would be fresh
https://www.pcgamesn.com/yoko-taro-final-fantasy-game
already in the works, he was waiting the ff16 team to wrap up, expect a female mc a first since 13.
that is such a brainlet opinion. the ff has nothing unique to offer, no special gameplay loop or story elements since every installment is totally seperate form another anyway. so he would get nothing out of directing it and instead only be limited in the kind of stuff he is allowed to put into their most popular brand. he is off much better doing his own ips.
Nintendo has money.
>how will SE survive?
The same way they avoided bankruptcy twice when they were developing FF14
New FFXI expansion and doing some side gig Cutscene contact work for other studios
FF14 and their SaGa gatcha is unironically keeping them afloat. They make bank with them and gatcha shit is why SaGa games keep getting made even though no one really plays them.
If people didn't play SaGa games they wouldn't keep making them and porting them to everything but Xbox, truth is those games are selling well, and since they're not working with budgets in the billions range the profit margin is also pretty high.
Their manga publishing business is also raking in a lot of money, people always forget Squenix owns several mainstream IPs like Full Metal Alchemist.
Hey i remember this thread!
Me too! And with the [Sad News] too!
Making an industry where you can sell 2 million copies of a thing, and it's "underperforming", is exactly what's wrong.
Vidya may be the highest grossing media industry, but it's also the worst about keeping their shit in check. Whether it's irresponsable spending, or irresponsable mouthing off, the entire industry is one giant sperg fest.
No surprise, the game looks tedious as frick and the Nomura dishrag ghosts aren't helping. I'd shell out money for the soundtrack though.
[Great News] OP will die in your lifetime and his death will be glorious and streamed
Oh and no one will go to the funeral
it will sell
most people don't even have a ps5
>another thread
It makes me happy to contemplate the misery of rebirthgays coping with the news.
It makes me happy that this travesty flopped.
Will replay the original to celebrate.
Long live Square(Soft) and actual good videogames.
Based
I will play heavily modded FFVII and then Xenogears. It's been a couple of years since I last played these games.
can we start banning anyone that begins their post with any variation of [sad news]
PLEASE BUY MORE FANTASIAS IN FFXIV SO WE CAN FUND THE NEXT ONE THANKS TO ALL THE PAYPIGGIES IN EORZEA FOR KEEPING SQUARE AFLOAT
larry gonna flip when he finds out you made another thread.
it's multiverse shit
>it's multiverse shit
Every multiverse is part of the same cinematic universe
Matt Smith should've been the Morbius instead of 40 seconds guy. He actually had fun while filming it. Meanwhile Jared Leto does his usual monotonous acting.
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Pay no attention to the Japanese sales, guys! That goes against the narrative!
The same one that shown it massively underformed that it fell out of the top 10 in ONE week?
>that it fell out of the top 10 in ONE week
https://www.gematsu.com/2024/03/famitsu-sales-3-4-24-3-10-24
#2 after one week.
>[NSW] Unicorn Overlord (ATLUS, 03/08/24) – 40,991 (New)
>Exclusive lost to Multiplat
>Big franchise lost to new franchise
>Hyped sequel lost to original game
>-91% fall
>Shills want to use Japan as metric for success.
Oh no no no no no
>Exclusive lost
>287k < 40k
????
>lost
Do you know how numbers work?
Why are morons always wrong? That guy should never post agains
How many copies did it sell in Japan?
reddit floptasy 7: doabirth
it doesn't really matter, square is obligated to finish the trilogy at this point
[Great News] OP is a homosexual
>Also, not to be that guy, but
I can't believe I'm saying this but... Barry won, I kneel
>Barry sucking his own dick
Barry victory lap generals belong on /vg/.
It does seem to be mostly forgotten. Its not that big on youtube, and almost non-existant on twitch. Remake was pretty popular on both. You just dont hear anyone talking about it.
It's OK, Squeenix will live.
Kek. Deserved, Square can't go bankrupt soon enough.
>Barry resorting to a literal nobody that has no actual evidence, just "data"
How sad
>thinking zhugeex is a literally who
Begone, newbie.
Sounds like good news to me!
The exclusivity deal fricked them
The damage XVI did to the franchise is insane
You mean the damage 13 did to the franchise
ff13 sold nearly 8 million and ff15 sold over 10 million
16 is what really destroyed the series for good (still only has 3 million sales no one is buying it anymore)
remake barely sold over 7 million as of last september but its long legs is only because it's ff7, and after people saw the multiverse shit they checked out. FF is dead
>remake barely sold over 7 million as of last september but its long legs is only because it's ff7
Anon, 5 out of those 7million unit is from its first 4 months, 3.5 out of it is from the first week.
They also include Intergrade re-release into the total sales, so yeah. Long legs? More like crawling on the floor.
I'd say half a million a year in extra sales isn't bad. But with how quick Square Enix was to celebrate the sales data for Remake, there's no way Rebirth is even close to 3.5 million almost 2 months out. We would've heard something by now.
Remember after they announced XVI sold 3 million copies after its weekend debut, yet all the journos tried to do a smear job and say it somehow sold badly? Notice how journos are constantly running smear campaigns against Square ever since Forspoken flopped and Square decided to stop working with Sweet Baby Inc,who helped make Forspoken and is deeply connected with the gaming journalism industry?
What's happening is that Square is just deciding not to announce their sales figures at all because they know that no matter what number they give the journos will try to spin it in a negative way and get all the impressionable morons online to think that Square is dying. Square has been "dying" for more than 20 years. When will these morons ever learn not to fall for clickbait journo homosexualry?
>Remember after they announced XVI sold 3 million copies after its weekend debut, yet all the journos tried to do a smear job and say it somehow sold badly?
How the frick the worse selling mainline FF does not constitutes as 'sold badly'?
>implying 3 million copies on one platform is bad
FFX sold 8.5 million units on one platform
and it only took a decade+ to do it
it is when that's the final sales statistic
>implying that no copies of the game were sold after opening weekend
If it reached another sales milestone it's weird that SE wouldn't announce it
And it's easy to smear Square. So many fans have a hate boner for SE. Probably just engagement metrics or something. Journos gotta eat as well.
Pretty much. Nobody hates Square Enix more than OG Square Enix fans, and the journos know that they can take advantage of their blind schizo hatred like the impressionable morons that they are.
>ff13 sold nearly 8 million
after 3 years
>ff15 sold over 10 million
after 6 years
>comparing lifetime sales of old ass games to new releases
moron
*13 and 15
13, the franchise never recovered from Lightning
*XII
16 sold more and did the best thing to appeal to the PS5 singleplayer base, which likes games like GoW, not whatever the hell you have going on in your Part 2 minigame sim.
J-action kino filters the rpggay https://youtu.be/F53MfLFgdAc?si=rhSUska5Ce3NPKsS
sars, rebirth is kino, please redeem
the game was great and I loved playing it, but why in the FRICK did every boss need to have 10 trillion HP?
One of the reasons why the game was terrible. Especially that last boss fight where you have to break Bizzaro Seph's HP sponge barrier
Not talking about Rebirth, dude
That is the thread topic, pajeet
And that's not what their talking about in the comment chain you responded to, Tyrone.
pajeet shill jobs are in danger after the flop
>responds to comment chain improperly
>proceeds to double down on moronation
I forget that the majority of posters here are under 18.
That does nothing to address how poorly the game sold
They are successful at living rent free in your head.
ser you are absolutely malding, please redeem meds
now is this 1 month of sales? Think hard about what you're going to reply with.
I think you are coping, ser pajeet.
You didn't answer the question. Why are you avoiding it?
That this game flopped?
Afraid not.
It undersold 16
Did this have the same budget as XVI?
Higher operating budget and still failed
>Higher operating budget
Weird, no source for your claim.
To make matters worse, 3 will get budget cuts after 2's poor sales.
>2's poor sales
You knew SE's expectations?
Can you post them?
You haven't refuted anything pertaining to the sales data
Oh I did.
You refused to answer my original question.
Is this 1 month of sales?
It's likely the budget is locked in. Chances are it was already a smaller budget since they planned to re-use as much of Remake's and Rebirth's assets as possible
Then its well and truly over.
Well not so much over as much as 'it was a done deal to begin with'
Like, the budget was probably set when they signed the Sony deal too. Sony isn't separately paying for the exclusivity of each game in the trilogy. They bought the whole trilogy, which means Square already took the money
How was this supposed to sell more than remake if its a direct story sequel? You people are moronic, the execs knew what was up.
>How was this supposed to sell more than remake if its a direct story sequel?
AssCreed Valhalla is the best selling AC game despite literally requiring you to play at lesat 2 other RPG AC games and 1 to 3 to understand it's modern day story.
MWIII is the fastest selling CoD despite requiring you to play at least 2 other MW games and watch Warzone cinematics. Problem is with FF more than anything else.
Everyone has pretty much dropped Assassin's Creed modern day story or story in general. Most people just street AC as a historical world tour where you go to random places just to kill people.
>AC story
I'm sure everyone stopped caring after the shit they did with 3
XV really burned so many bridges. A huge amount of longtime fans waited over 10 years for a single player mainline entry. What we got was the slop left over from V13’s development with a fresh coat of paint and called XV. Thing is, you can paint a pile of shit any color you like, it’s still a stinking pile of shit. XV with its hold circle to win combat, I can’t think of another series with a similarly terrible entry. Maybe Dead Space 3, but even that game had its moments. I can’t even remember some of the characters names from XV. Oh yeah, I was supposed to watch a movie and some shit for it to make sense, right? Who the frick knows. Goddamn, XV was just a pile of garbage.
>Remake flops
>T-This is XV fault
Mind broken
Why is Barry so obsessed?
Upcoming shareholder meeting is going to be hilarious
Square enix love to lose money
they never learn
They underestimated Barry's control of the market.
worthless boomer franchise on life support, just pull the plug already
Now watch them fricking cancel the ""remake trilogy""(that nobody asked for) before they get to the mending.
lmao perfect time for microsoft to buy them up
square x heroes of the storm
trust the plan
The Japanese government has veto power over something like that. Don't pretend it's even remotely realistic.
it's a direct, very heavily story connected sequel to a jrpg that half the people who bought probably didn't even beat, if literally anyone (including SE) expected anything else, they're fricking brain dead moronic
if this was ff16 you homies would be clowning the frick out of it lol shout out to nomura he gets a pass for everything
>Shubhankar Parijat
>Danieh Ahmad
That nintendo india may be true kek
>such a newbie that he thinks Daniel Ahmad, the biggest sony shill behind chris dring, is lying about this
kekaroo
Ahmad has been on the "Consoles aren't growing and Sony's in massive trouble" train for the last few months. He's probably not lying about this but it's more that he's bringing it up as evidence that consoles and exclusive sales simply aren't growing.
Chris Dring and Ahmad are literally Sony shills. Why would they be lying about this?
FF7 is probably doing even worse than reported.
>Why would they be lying
lying about what? they don't know what rebirth's sales goals are
>rebirth's sales goals
>goals
So Rebirth performed "well" according to Square's abysmal expectations?
Do you think rebirth needed to sell 5-6m? With the shorter development time than remake and the reused assets?
Considering Square tends to have stupidly high expectations, I doubt they were satisfied even with FF7's Remake sales, but who knows.
The main thing to take into account is that Rebirth might be selling less than the previous game, which indicates a decline in people's interest in the FF7 "Remake series".
>Considering Square tends to have stupidly high expectations,
Only for games with high budgets, like SoTR and Avengers.
it deserve worse tbh
gluing the multiverse nonsense on the original story is such a tone deaf and disrespectful farce that only a cynical corpo ghoul could come up with it
It's what you get for Nibelheim into Blackheim
modded original still better than modern slop
took 15 minutes to setup
still great
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3118368057
>remake cancer is underperforming
GOOD
Good. Next time make an actual remake, bunch of fricking dipshits
games always sell according to the reception of their prior entry
ff7 demake sold ok but all the shilling in the world couldnt fix the fact that its barely a 6/10, less if you're a fan
>Will Part 3 be canceled?
Part 3? Possibly. Part 4? Almost certainly.
The thing about games with a continuous story across multiple installments is that your market cap for a new installment is necessarily the number of people who bought the previous game, and people are ALWAYS going to naturally peel off and stop buying new installments of games in a direct series of episodic games like this. Frankly they are lucky it sold half as much as the previous entry.
I honestly hope it bombs, I just wanted a remake could’ve easily fit the original into one game. Stretching the plot paper thin for no reason at all. This shit was a real monkeys paw
I'm not buying Rebirth because I got tricked by Remake....because it's NOT A FRICKING REMAKE, IT'S A SEQUEL
I wanted to finally enjoy the story that everyone has been banging on about for years without having to deal with disgusting popeye-armed chibi characters that look like shit, but squeenix decided to pull the rug out from under everyone and now they can deal with the fact that sales will be infinitely lower than if they just did an ACTUAL FRICKING REMAKE
you wouldnt even have known it’s a sequel if you never played the original moron
If you haven't played the original (and Crisis Core and Advent Children) it wouldn't make any goddamn sense.
no, instead you just get fricking confused every single time something looks like it's about to happen, then time ghosts turn up and stop it, and all the characters go "this doesn't feel right!"
without context for what was originally supposed to happen this makes NO SENSE and the impact is clearly aimed at fans going "Oh my god they changed this famous scene! this is huge!" while people experiencing it for the first time are just left in the dark, then go online to ask about it and get told that they wouldn't get it unless they played the original, thus revealing this is a sequel because it relies on prior knowledge of the events from the original
>snappy passive-aggressive remarks towards the one and only Zhuge
hes lucky hes still alive
get woke go broke
Why does this board religiously follow some random Arab? leave the arab alone
>says something bad about a sony exclusive
>suddenly he's just "some random Arab"
Happens every time.
Only fat landwhales ever cared about VII, should've gone for X or XII instead.
X will undoubtedly be remade
>XII
already has 3 different versions
>why is a game we only put out on PS5 doing worse than a game we put on PS4!?
It's almost like the PS5 has a smaller install base....
there already are like 50 million PS5's out there but games in general just aren't selling on PS5. People buy the console and then buy no games.
Everyone that bought a PS5 is a scalper, they're all sitting in warehouses and garages.
The PS4 install base is around 120 million and I'd wager the real PS5 base is more like 30-40 mil
Of fricking course a PS5 exclusive will sell less it's common sense
Zoomers must be so confused after playing this turd. Just what the hell have FF7gays been hyping for during these last 2 fricking decades?
>remakes usually focus on updating a classic for potential new fans
>ummmm actually you need to have played the original and ummm actually you need to have played Crisis Core and ummm actually here's some random Dirge of Cerberus characters and ummmmmmmmmmmmmm actually here's cloud's hobo dad from some shitty gacha spinoff I don't know lol
I cannot even imagine going into these games raw
oh no it's at Kingdom Hearts level of complex now?
God I wish
KH is pure unfiltered cringe kino. FF7R on the other hand is just trying too hard to go full moron
>Just what the hell have FF7gays been hyping for during these last 2 fricking decades?
The rape of FF7, now with extra black people.
>"just you wait, rebirth is a true jrpg and will destroy XVI"
too many parts, too active (i'm a turnbased boomer)
Fans didn't want an chopped up episodic game, and the few that went along with it got mad over Tifa's breast reduction surgery and didn't stick around for the second installment.
>[sad news]
I don't get this meme. What's it in reference of?
Virtually all Japanese clickbait articles begin with that.
yaraon articles, ie where most of the fate shitposting and probably 95% of shitposts on /vg/ originate from
>Sales figure homosexual
I just want DQ12 and the 3HD remix to come out and after that I’m pretty much confident the series is going to die anyways with 2 out of 3 RIP. Squeenix is beyond ass just please finish those up before you implode holy frick.
>castrated the Guch
>raped and violated Matsuno so hard he went into early retirement and the FFXII team made Yiazmat as an open plea for players to murder SE execs
>almost 20 years of nu FF aids
>destroyed Deus Ex
>fricked over Sleeping Dogs
>fricked over Hitman
>dozens of mint IPs sitting in storage collecting dust and cobwebs for literal decades
>probably fricking over DQ too though Horii's gone senile ever since 7's bloated development so maybe they get a free pass here
I will not miss this company and I hope for the worst for them
No shit it underperformed, nobody owns a PS5.
They should've released this game on PS4 as well, like God of War did.
Tendie thread.
Wanna know how i know it is one?
Case in point
Unicorn is multiplat moron
Barry will never be a memory.
why do austrlian abbos get so much attention on this site? its not banter at this point but terrorism
SHIPPER SISTERS THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!! WE TOLD EVERYONE IT WAS GOTY, WHY DON'T PEOPLE WANT TO ACTIVATE UBISOFT TOWERS AND COLLECT SEGWAYS?????
There's a not so subtle conspiracy at hand!
I’m not sure why so many of you are downplaying this.
Just last year, we were having debates over XVI’s “3 million shipped and sold in 5 days.” Today, Daniel is suggesting that Rebirth is at ~ 2 million after ONE MONTH. It’s a fricking disaster for the IP. And nothing will be fixed if fanboys plug their ears and deny reality.
>2 million after ONE MONTH.
lol it wasn't one month you moron. That was its launch day sales.
Ahmad didn't even know what rebirth was selling until Ampere gave out the daily active users.
>That was its launch day sales.
cope
>franchise that was built on the concept of not having sequels
>sequel does not sell well
Seems like a massive success actually, maybe they should remember where they came from
>what happened?
Maybe releasing the same game for the umpteenth time is a fricking dumb idea sometimes
Mental illness or profoundly moronic, hard to tell these days.
I love FFVII, and I will gladly play the remakes when they are DONE. Why would I pay a full price for the first game when they don't go past Midgar? Apparently the second one doesn't finish it either.
What's happening is the game fricking sucks
DON'T GO WOKE, DON'T GO BR-ACK!
Why are we bemoaning low sales we wanted to gatekeep shitters out of our games right?
if you were a fan of the original when it was out you're probably in your 40s or close enough now.
the announcement of the remake coming out in installments over the course of years was a deathblow
and the worst part of all was that the first part of the remake was generic slop. people waited decades for a generic game, and then were expecting to wait another decade for the conclusion of a generic game.
it might have billions, who knows, i wouldnt take the word of some avatargay on twitter about it, but if it flopped its not hard to imagine why.
generic in what way
in that it looks and plays like every game square have put out since they stopped making turn based games. there's nothing striking about the visual style and the gameplay is just enough to call it a game
>plays like every game square have put out since they stopped making turn based games
So you haven't played it
yes i never played, never read a review of it, never seen gameplay of it, never watched a stream of it, in truth i have no idea at all what it looks like or how it plays. the entire hypetrain around the remake of one of the defining games of the 32bit era passed me by and i missed it entirely
you fricking goof
>all this cope but can't even explain how its similar to other FF games.
You could've just stopped after the first 4 words lmao
He's saying you haven't played any of the real time FF games.
https://strawpoll.com/7MZ0Ax4Dwyo/results
Let natural selection run it's course. We're way too lenient with companies.
Thats good news tho.
Forspoken - Isekai
Final Fantasy 16 - Game of Thrones
FF 7 Remake/Rebirth - Multiverse
Kingdom Hearts 4 - literal Marvel SuperHeroes
What SE should do for their next AAA game?,
>What SE should do for their next AAA game?,
blacked simulator. they already started.
>barry trying to pass off weg game screenshots ass rebirth screenshots
SE should sue you for the damage you're causing to our brand.
high school urban fantasy
Make drakengard 4 but unironically
>people arguing that’s only people who played it so it’s not true
Are you telling me PlayStation fans buy games but don’t play them?
While you nerds are pissing in the wind over this console drama, us PC chads are getting ready for Dawntrail.
Good
FFcucks deserve to lose
>ESL Xbox cucks and TransboxEra morons coping over yesterday's good numbers so they're on this cope
kek
>Check ResetEra
>22 page cope thread from Sony fanboys
there'd be violence from this if snoys were capable of leaving their homes without having a mental breakdown
>22 page thread of Xbox cucks and trannies begging for a port
Over two million on launch day, xisters. Cope.
>ZeoVGM meltdown
Keep it to the thread
>literally who make some random unsourced claim on twitter
>someone asks them to elaborate on their unsourced claim
>refuses to elaborate
>zoomers: oh shit! better make a thread about this on Ganker
End your life you brown, broccoli headed, homosexual.
That dude is not some literally who. He has shown to have insight of the industry. And he did elaborate in the thread, people just didn't like his answer.
Even putting this aside, why doesn't Squeenix reports on the sales if Rebirth is doing so well (let alone doing better than Remake)?
Final Fantasy has been a brand in decline ever since FFXIII shattered the premium image the series used to have.
FFXV had to at the very least be a 8/10 game especially after the ridiculously long development time, to make up for it instead we got this half baked mockery of what was initally shown to us. Not to mention key elements that should have been in the game, being relegated to side projects such as Kingsglaive etc
FFXV buried Final Fantasy
Dividing 1(one) game into 3(three) separate games is the most moronic shit ever. It will only confuse normies who played the original and just wanted the original but with graphixs
I didn't buy it because it's woke trash.
Still not sure why SE went the exclusive route, though I don't think it would've made much more sales with Xbox. Unless I'm wrong, I don't think XIII, XV and such moved huge numbers over there, but I dunno.
Maybe the exclusive Sony money deal is enough for SE to cover what's lost after all. Or maybe not.
will sales thread be discussed everyday till part 3 dropped? what a boring discussion. ok it has shit sales, so what? what are you going to do with this information?
I'd rather people shitting on this game because of multiverse, and minigames than sales. And it is still early to tell, it could be changing later when they announce the sales number officially. Also if you use sales as a metric to determine a good game, then your best game should be league of legend or genshin impact.
What a least productive conversation out of all things to be shat on FF7 Rebirth.
>open sales thread
>why yall talkin bout dem sales?
have you considered having some impulse control?
Nobody I know actually got Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. A few people actually got remake back in 2020. Nobody I know really hated it but once they figured out it was split up into three parts and it wasn't just one game that had a complete remake to it, a lot of people that I know didn't bother with it anymore. Add on the fact that the brand has took a massive nosedive in reception in the last 15 to 16 years. Yeah this IP is not in a good spot
I legitimately have friends who aren't too into videogames asking me "Wait didn't they already remake Final Fantasy VII?" when this game came out.
Zoomers don't care about Final Fantasy 7 and Millennials are too busy getting butt-fricked by the economy that Boomers and Gen X left for them to be able to afford most new $70+ video games.
>it’s another blame everyone else for my failures post
>Off-shores all of your factory jobs to Chinese and Indians leaving the only shit available as dead-end and soulless retail jobs
>Exclusively hires illegal Mexicans for all of their construction or labor related work
>Invents affirmative action so the only people that get hired are all varying shades of brown
>Makes all of their grandchildren go to college so they can get pozzed the frick out of, making them buy into socialism/communism agendas because of their absorbent debt they accumulated, when they themselves paid for college through a summer job
>Exclusively votes for policies that destroy the lives of their youth out of spite
>Ultimately leaves you with nothing
>Le firm handshake
>Le bootstraps
Okay Boomer.
The only person that matters is me, I liked it lol
If only they had actually remade the full thing back in the PS3 era like everyone thought they were doing instead of this fricking moronation. I imagine they'll probably still make a third part because cancelling it would basically be admitting they massively fricked up and also completely shitted up the legacy of one of their most beloved games of all time.
>Don't worry, xisters! The Transbox port is coming! Just wait!
>tease remake for over a decade
>piss everyone off with the "compilation" garbage for over a decade
>finally announce a remake called "FFVII Remake"
>everyone buys it four times
>turns out it's not a remake, it's a reboot sequel compilation pile of shit
>"but it sold millions and broke all the records, it has to be good!"
>sequel undersells
You reap what you sow
I hope they _actually_ remake ff7 at some point.
No, this was their one ace in the hole and they blew it. Like RE3 it'll never get a proper remake.
Why would they invest in another remake when it is clear that audience for an FF7 remake is drying up? I can't see anyway they could fix this mess. If we're lucky, this will help prevent whatever moronic plans they've been trying to get off the ground for FF10.
Why do people take this guy seriously even after it was discovered that his firm rips clients off and they don’t know a clue about the Middle East or China? Someone here even found out he’s a “creep” (iykyk) and he had 4jannies delete all pics of his pajeet lookin face whenever this was mentioned. He and other “analysts” like serkantoto know nothing and are failures of what they claim to be.
A. Square-Enix Slashes the budget and development time for Episode 3
B.Square-Enix cancels episode 3 altogether
At this point, B. No one with a brain gives a shit about what Nomura will screw up next, hence the low sales of part 2. All they had to do was remake the fricking game.
They probably won't do either because they have a contract with Sony for the three games. They'll have to make Episode 3 for 2027 and lump it with the Playstation exclusivity because there's no way Sony's going to change the contract to include a PC version on Day 1 unless Square pays up.
Fricked whatever way they do it. Square's fault for signing such a moronic deal in the first place anyway.
It'll get three years, mostly because 2027 is the 30th anniversary of FF7.
It'd be funny if they missed it though.
Too many fricking checklists and mini games.
Seriously it got really fricking lame after a while.
Are you morons seriously gonna trust some rando on Twitter who didn't even post any evidence to back up his claims? You guys aren't THIS moronic, are you?
Post an official source of the FF7R2 sales.
Nobody has them besides Square. Nobody WILL have them until Square posts it themselves. But in the end it doesn't fricking matter when Part 3 has already been greenlit. Saleshomosexualry is fricking stupid and caters to braindead schizos anyway.
>what happened?
the public thinks it's another release like intergrade
they should have titled it final fantasy vii part 2
sales will pick up once tifa comes to tekken 8
>Will Part 3 be canceled?
No and that's a good thing. Part 3 won't even sell 1 million copies and we will have enough shitposting material to carry us until FF18.
there won't be an FF18 after this trainwreck
who in their right mind would invest in the series now if their golden goose can't even deliver
Their golden goose COULD deliver. They just chose to kill it because they were soooooo bored of the color gold, and went with a goose made of literal shit instead because it was heckin different and therefore exciting to them. And they spraypainted the shit goose with crappy cheap gold paint to fool the customers of the original golden goose, and chopped it up into multiple parts to sell for the same price as the original singular golden goose.
Wow, this metaphor got totally moronic. But then again would anything less be fitting for modern AAA Square Enix?
There will be a FF 18. Square have been bailed out before by Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft and after this disaster they'll be bailed out again, likely by Nintendo or Microsoft. They exist as a publisher too important to lose so they will always get bailed out no matter how moronic their decisions are and considering this is Square Enix. That's a lot of decisions. They'll probably take a big deal from Nintendo to make sure Dragon Quest XII has Switch 2 as lead platform and pivot FF17 and 18 to Switch lead games.
Part 3 will be multiplatform. The Switch 2 version will outsell the PS5/PS6 version 40% more
Screencap this
I played the entire original story years ago with one purchase. I refuse to do it in three. Wake me up when all three are the price of one.
You're a homosexual.
>make it PS5 exclusive
>it just looks like a pretty PS4 game in the end
>game is 150gb for some fricking reason
Rebirth sisters... it's even worse than we thought
>Can you share your source?
>uhhh bro it's like half numbers I guess just trust me uhh whatever
>SE FRICK UP SO BAD THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS GAME EVER CREATED
Yes it was 20 years ago but not anymore.
FF7 is 27 years old now not a single zoomers in their early 20's is gonna give a shit about FF7 let alone any single player jrpg. These kids were playing fortnite when they were 13-14 years old. I myself was 5 years old when this game came out im 32 now you have to be at least near 40 to even have been able to play it on release.
Even if SE would have done a 1:1 remake it would have not sell as much as you guys think. Most people in their 40 have stop playing video games I know it suck to think about but we are getting old and time is moving on and yes zoomers taste in video games are fricking awful
A faithful remake would have been less alienating to zoomers than this Compilation sequel. They would have had more success if they made the game in the PS3 era, yes, but they also screwed the pooch in general.
Zoomers don't play single player games even less if its a jrpg.
Zoomers love shit like Persona 5 and Xenoblade. JRPGs aren't dead, they're just not for (you) any more.
Persona aesthetic appeal to teenagers
Xenoblade have the tendies cultists.
>Zoomers love shit like Persona 5 and Xenoblade.
Nah.
>A faithful remake would have been less alienating to zoomers than this Compilation sequel.
this was a huge problem for the remake series. they needed to have a self-contained story, and having all the cryptic compilation flashbacks throughout the game and especially at the end was just so incredibly moronic because now your game requires knowledge of 4 games to even remotely understand
I think the bigger issue is SE sabotaging the series with exclusivity for the past decade.
XV sold great even though it wasn't exactly well received.
The resetera thread is now 26 pages deep lol
https://www.resetera.com/threads/daniel-ahmad-zhugeex-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-is-underperforming-sales-wise-selling-about-half-of-what-remake-sold-in-the-same-timeframe.843192/page-26
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There might actually be suicides when SE finally releases a sales report. I've never seen people this unhinged.
They killed any hype for the game when they decided to release it in like 10 different parts. What a horrible blunder.
SE should just cut their losses and move on to a full remake of FFX, released in one game.
>buy exclusivity to a dead console for your sequel of a game
>NOOOOO WHY IS IT FLOPPING NOOOOO
Sony is poison to sales. You'd unironically sell more with an only on PC release.
The first part was timed exclusive to the PS4 and sold plenty.
>Sold plenty
The PS4 was relatively successful + chink flu boost.
The PS4 had an install base of over 100 million people when FF7R came out. The PS5 is just over half of that and software sales in general for the thing have been lackluster to say the least. Even Sony have released few actual PS5 exclusives with many games being cross gen or coming to PC.
I'm not playing that shit on a shitty console in upscaled 1080p at 30fps. waiting for PC version.
I wonder how many people are just waiting on FF7R to be 'done', and re-released as an upgraded collection to frick over the early adopters?
Barely anyone. None of those people are gonna end up picking the "complete" version, because by then they will have either lost interest or tire at the idea of playing through three games, one of which is an ancient PS4 game nearly a decade old.
>one of which is an ancient PS4 game nearly a decade old.
You say that like games have changed at all in the last 10 years. 10 years more won't make a difference to how playable it is.
Anyway, your overall point is correct, FF7R is still available at bargain bin prices. I played it when it came to PS+ and lost interest. Anyone who wants to play it already has.
>You say that like games have changed at all in the last 10 years.
Do you think FF7R-3 will be a mobile gacha?
>Do you think FF7R-3 will be a mobile gacha?
Maybe...?
>VR trash
>mobile trash
Yeah it got worse.
You guys say that, but the KH collection re-release on PS4 sold like hotcakes.
KH collection was a better buy for a lot of reasons.
It was the whole series since the original, so new players could easily join. FF7R will always expect you to be invested in FF7 and its other tie ins to know what's going on.
The KH series was also spread out across a lot of different platforms. If you didn't have a 3DS and a PSP you would have missed big parts of the story. FF7R is on one console and its successor.
Practically zero.
>FF7Rgays went from being smug c**ts after Remake to whiny "oh woe is us/Square Enix" martyr complex homosexuals after Rebirth
>release game on dead console
>it underperforms
Unless it's a movie, the game is not gonna sell.
Sony killed Square Enix.
Any casual or normal final fan is playing 14, that's all the fix they need. Normal people don't want to play final fantasy because it's too fricking weaboo unless they're already hardcore mmo addicts. Pro-tip nobody is going from a decent mmo to sub-par shovelware which is what finish fanart actually is
I don't want to play your mmoslop with troony ERP.
I don't either but I'd rather grind out finally fricked teen than play this or a ps1 game or hear tidus laugh again
Square is so fricking moronic for ditching he four guys in a row. No one wants to play their take on Devil May Cry with even spongier enemies.
>square is moronic
I absolutely agree. Squeanus has THE BIGGEST NAME IN TURN-BASED COMBAT. CONTROL YOUR MARKET.
>nah bruh we have to move with the times we make real games now
Turn based combat is still wide open with new gameplay ideas. People absoutely want it, look at baller gape three
They didn't ditch it, they're releasing a lot of 4 homie in row games. None of them are making headlines or selling that well because nobody wants that anymore, not even you, or you would at least know they exist
>Square is so fricking moronic for ditching he four guys in a row
Are you sure?
>Moeshit for pedophiles
I don't want that. I want a normal game.
>I want a normal game.
They don't exist anymore.
>Square is so fricking moronic for ditching he four guys in a row
They never did, but you and the rest of your kind don't buy them because what you actually want is a movie with some additional tv remote pressing, and the thing you and your kind hate the most are actual RPGs.
I don't want moeshit for pedophiles. Part 2.
So you don't want games, got it
>softcore porn gachaslop
>games
Sure thing pedro, which is why you keep asking for Final Fantasy games?
Yes, like the ones I played in the 90s. That's all I'm asking.
>That's all I'm asking.
Let me refresh your memory, Pedro, because you're clearly so much in denial that you think FF, especially older FF wasn't "moeshit for pedophiles"
One thing that SE seems to not understand is that the four guys in a row can work just fine with modern AAA games and good graphics.
>he four guys in a row can work just fine with modern AAA games and good graphics.
Which is why you posted a shit moviegame that flopped and got promptly forgotten, I guess?
You're talking about the exclusive game on a forgotten console that never see the light of day completely opposite from FF
>Normie friend bought FF7r
>Didn't know it wasn't the full game
And one of many that won't fall for triple dip, fricking moronic square
They should have let CC2 develop the remake like the original plan. At least they know how to handle multi-volume story arcs and market them correctly.
>and market them correctly.
AHAHAHAHAHA what?? I'm a huge fan of .hack but even I can admit they are absolutely atrocious at marketing.
By 'correctly,' I mean not making people confuse them for full games by putting a volume number in the title and on the front cover. The story did a good job of building surprises, and each volume always ended on the highest cliffhanger part, leaving you so hyped for the next game. dothack games are experts at this, which is why their games are successful as a multi-parts game, while FF7R failed horribly in this aspect
They weren't successful though. They sold so poorly that the first series is now a cult classic and the games are expensive as shit collectors items, because each volume sold worse than its predecessor.
Of course, back then games also didn't have to sell millions to make their money back because the budgets were much smaller, and so were sales metrics. But even by early 2000 standards, .hack didn't sell well.
I will agree with you that each game did always end on a gripping cliffhanger. I think the story was a bit too complex for typical normie 13-15 year olds at the time, though. A lot of having to piece together shit with all of the media available (something FF7 is guilty of too) and yet people still didn't figure out things that were blatantly obvious. Like Elk being Endrance in G.U., or even that Sora was Haseo.
This is why I've always contended that doing both a subversive non-remake remake AND splitting it up into multiple parts was going to be a bad idea for them in the long run. Of course doing neither would've been the most ideal situation, but doing one OR the other would've still probably worked out fine saleswise for them. Now, though, they're just losing more factions of players as the Remake project goes on.
This trilogy seems to have been conceived at the crossroads of hubris and greed. The desire to one up a classic game and milk it at the same time
>The desire to one up a classic game
SE have been absolutely obsessed with trying to make a game that sells better than the OG FF7 for some reason. One of the reasons they gave for not wanting to remake FF7 on the PS3 was that they still wanted to work on new games that surpass FF7. Their stubborn pride on trying to prove that the massive success of FF7 wasn't just a one-time fluke has ironically become their undoing. And when it finally came to the time that they were forced into doing it, all they had to do was just actually remake the OG game. But their pride wouldn't let them. They thought it would be too boring, so they threw in all this janny kingdom hearts timeline multiverse shenanigans BS and now are reaping what they sowed. The game sold 2 million LOL
I've been saying forever that Kitase and Nomura needed to retire because they're washed up and completely out of touch and this finally proves it.
FF7 was a success as much because of the circumstances it released in as the game itself. Next to MGS and Resident Evil (both hilarious in hindsight) it sold general audiences on the idea that a video game could have cinematic production values and storytelling.
At least Square Enix being egotistical greedy morons makes sense, but how did nobody from Sony step in even once to tell them
>holy shit NO, absolutely fricking not, you're going to piss off millions of people with this and destroy sales of future parts when they catch onto what you're planning, what the frick is wrong with you all?
Remake's planning/reveal and early production happened before California HQ took over Playstation operations too, so you can't even majorly blame them for this either.
>Remake's planning/reveal and early production happened before California HQ took over Playstation operations too, so you can't even majorly blame them for this either.
The moronation of Sony obviously started before they moved SIE operations to California, otherwise they wouldn't have made the moronic decision to move SIE operations to California in the first place.
>California
That would explain the involvement of both sweet baby and Forspoken's devs. That state is among the worst lib cesspits in the US.
Can't wait to see part three sell even less with budget cuts.
The PS5 is where games go to die
Nomura is a hack fraud. Flop deserved. He should kill himself to celebrate.
This game is good. Don't compare Nomura to Yoshi Piss.
Is it because the PS5 base is smaller than expected or FF falling into irrelevancy? Or both?
The exclusivity meme needs to die. All games should be available on every platform. Phil was right about everything.
maybe they should have done a real remake instead of a re-tale no one asked for with stupid multiverse plot and separated in in fragments, meaning you have to buy the game 3 times and have to wait to finish it, something that games don't do.
why can't SE just make FF7 with good graphics and call it a day?
Traditional JRPGs don't sell well enough to justify a big budget remake any more. The closest you might get is Persona but nobody plays that for the gameplay.
>devs already confirmed part 3 is in the work
>LOL THEY LE GONNA CANCEL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barry...
Wouldn't be the first time.
cancelling a second season pass is different from cancelling a whole game.
Only in degree. The point is the same. SE didn't see value in continuing FFXV DLC and so dumped it. If SE thinks cancelling Part 3 makes sense because no one bought Part 2, they'll do it.
I genuinely don't understand people claiming this is the best game ever. I'm thoroughly convinced ff gays don't play any other jrpgs and this their first "modern" open world jrpg they've ever played. I do not see anything this game does that its contemporaries haven't already bean doing in the last 5 or 10 years
>I'm thoroughly convinced ff gays don't play any other jrpgs and this their first "modern" open world jrpg they've ever played.
That's pretty accurate.
>I'm thoroughly convinced ff gays don't play any other jrpgs
Yes, this is a well known fact.
Though many of them became crypto SMT fans during the last decade or two, they're the same exact people who think Nocturne is the end of all of JRPGs.
Zoomers don't have the attention span to wait nearly a decade for a trilogy of games to be finished, you have to pump this shit out quickly or they lose interest, also nobody buys the PS5 anymore because no games
>wait nearly a decade for a trilogy of games to be finished
no one should wait a decade are you moronic? you could die over the span of 10 years it's WAY too long. it should've been one game, but splitting the remake project in 2 parts would've been the only acceptable alternative. 3 parts with 3-4 years of development time each is just ridiculous
reminder that sirs did not redeem
Damn, more copies of the game have been sold than ps5. Let that sink in.
>gets beaten by Dragon's Flopma 2 in sales
It definitely sunk in
Amy time I talk to someone about nu7, it's later revealed to me they never played the original or have even played other jrpgs. They have played kingdom hearts, take that as you will.
He won
>He won
>By completely killing his shit franchise
haha
who
Anyone with a brain knew they would get diminishing returns.
Game 1 gets the most sales.
People who didn't buy Game 1 will not buy it. Less than 100% of people who bought Game 1 will buy it and ditto on both points for Game 3.
guy asks for source that its a flop
>trust me bro
every frickin time
SARS YOU MUST REDEEM BEFORE I LOSE THE JOB
homies in a row got me thinking
this image is wrong
I haven't even played grimrock rip
>Sad news
More like great news
Shit game
You didn't play it
>Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is massively underperforming sales
Ganker
REJOICE!...
REJOICE!...
REJOICE!...
That's not sad news though. SE deserves to burn on the cross for destroying such a classic.
Unironically [Good news]
i don't give not a single frick about final fantasy, but it brings joy to my heart seeing them get btfo by piss poor sales. maybe avoid shitting up every thread prematurely when part 3 comes out.
3 will be a disaster after budget cuts
Exclusivity + moronic Time Jannies shenanigans = low sales
Also Japs are starting to move on to PC gaming. I randomly saw a Jap streaming Rust to 24k viewers. Clearly, Jap gaming landscape has dramatically changed. OG Jap gaming devs are no longer relevant to the new generation.
This is like the 12th Rebirth sales shitpost and flamebait thread the past 2 days. Why does this/these games attract so many doomposters/shitposters? How normal is it to have this much of a vendetta against something because you didn't get what you wanted?
Fanboys and paid shills are in denial over the sales collapse. Their jobs are now at risk, so its understandable that they're flipping out.
>How normal is it to have this much of a vendetta against something because you didn't get what you wanted?
You don't think it's normal because you don't spend enough time here.
I loved FFVII, I make sure to doompost in every single one of these threads. Frick Squeenix.
Every part was obviously going to do worse than the previous one, same logic as DLC releases. People fall off for many reasons and new players that migjt have picked up an original game don't want to commit to playing multiple
Hopefully they knew that and didn't have pie in the sky expectations and prorated dev costs
Back to foamstars
Didn't 95% of the playerbase leave that one lol
Can't wait for the same level of denial from fanboys in a new thread
>It’s also worth pointing out that digital figures are not included in this tally.
Look at all these moron anons falling for clickbait again
at this rate FF7R2 will make SE less money than Octopath 2
Please go back
Anybody who starts a thread with "[Sad News]" in the Subject line deserves to have a thin glass rod shoved up their urethra and crushed while it's still inside.
Tricking everyone by pretending it was a remaster/re-release was only ever going to work one time. Only the least healthy and lowest self-esteem anime consoomers will keep buying these now that the ghost jannies and constant sephiroth interventions are out of the bag. Here's a wild prediction: the 3rd entry will sell even less than the 2nd.
SE should be embarrassed that Dragon's Flopma 2 outsold this shit
>7rebirth day 1 sales on ps5: 2.21m
>DD2 total sales on multiplatforms after a week: 2.5m
????
DD2 isn't Capcom's flagship series, and it likely cost a LOT less than Rebirth to make
you're getting worse, anon
I sense some projection.
But what does that have to do with how poorly this game sold
>how poorly this game sold
DD2 was hyped up and underwhelmed. I'm sure this is why you need to attack others.
And yet for all of its faults it outsold Rebirth that had a much higher budget
>outsold Rebirth
did it though?
>much higher budget
Proof?
Yes, it did. DD2 sold 2.5 mil, Rebirth sold 2 mil.
>DD2 sold 2.5 mil
*1 week of sales for a multiplatform
>Rebirth sold 2.2 mil.
*Launch day sales for an exclusive
DD2 doesn't look too good...
Sales are sales, anon. FF should have sold more but didn't.
>Sales are sales
correct. And rebirth's are more impressive than DD2.
I sure hope you don't think the 2.21m was the total sales lmao.
Rebirth sold less, ser
>sold absolutely no more copies after day 1
>STOP THE COUNT
We talking Rebirth that fell to 1K weekly sales in its home country after week 6?
>1K weekly sales in its home country after week 6
We making up numbers now?
Also
>week 6
kek so I guess it did keep selling then.
Even in US market it didn't do well. You should stop digging this hole, it looks bad.
>Even in US market it didn't do well
>#2 in the US for feb. With 1 day of sales.
lmao are you just making up cope in your head right now?
Ser, what am I making up here? JP sales get posted regularly, and that 2 mil figure is global. It flopped. You are going in circles because your favorite game did not redeem enough.
>2.21 mil figure is global
1 day of sales btw
>2 million, not 2.21
Low Rebirth sales are low
*day 1 sales btw
Its a shame Rebirth couldn't outsell Itsuno's failure
2.21m for 1 day on 1 console
2.5 for 1 week on multiplatform
The thing they're missing is that the presumption is that hardcore FF fans are the first to jump on a console since they knew FFXVI and Rebirth were going to be at least timed exclusives to PS5.
The logical fallacy here is assuming that the audience for a game will get a console at equally distributed rates over the console's lifespan but that's wrong. The BULK of potential Playstation FF/JRPG fans already have a PS5
IT's also ignoring the reality that most AAA game sales happen in the first month of release.
literally noone asked for a worse ff7 with a fanfic/retcon story.
cid doesn't even smoke cigs
How's it feel for Remake seethers that Part 3 is going to happen, the 1:1 Remake you clamor for is NEVER happening, and that there's nothing you can do about it but shitpost, being angry at the games forever?
Im mad that I gotta wait 3-4 years to see more of the cute brat ninja
Oh there's no doubt it'll come out, it'll just sell worse than 2 after budget cuts.
>after budget cuts.
weird how the director of rebirth got promoted then.
>Promotion after a game flops
That bodes ill for Square Enix as a company.
>game flops
because Ganker wants it to flop does not mean it actually did.
ser, it did not redeem enough. the pajeet shill squad needs to work harder.
It feels good to watch Square and Final Fantasy fade into irrelevancy, thanks for asking anon!
I hope you'll someday get over it. Also, at this point, I'm glad you guys aren't getting the remake you wanted. Because all the continuous childish butthurt and seethe like you all were personally slighted by Square Enix is very pathetic. It's like Nintendo-Fan level of cultish attachment to a game.
>Square Enix preemptively put all their eggs in one basket to make a trilogy of expensive misleading spite-fueled cash-ins with no conception that there'd ever be significant sales drop-offs with each new entry
Pretty good. If this kills FF7's brand power, it's going to at least drag your precious Compilation down with it.
You being smug about this is like being smug about Spirits Within.
More like unbirth
I'm so glad that no one takes these digital foundry morons seriously anymore
He mad.
Those games were multiplat, even without pc.
People don't care about Xbox though. Even Xbox people don't care about Xbox. They care about Game Pass and that's available on PC.
reminder that the people shitting on rebirth is a tendie homosexual who got caught with his trip on.
That is a baseless accusation. Please stop spreading misinformation.
>the cado bandit
kek
>wasting your life poorly shopping cado
tendies need games to play
Why is it always jealous nitendo gays?
This tendie scum needs to die. Lets raid their threads and post cado buttholes to retaliate.
You better fricking not.