Lots of people on this board say the Saturn is bereft of a decent games library. It's true that a lot of its quality titles are multiplats. But I've been looking into the Dreamcast library and I think it has a much lower quantity of games I find appealing despite bangers like Soul Calibur, Shenmue, SoA, House of the Dead 2.
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>It's true that a lot of its quality titles are multiplats
Downgraded multiplats. Dreamcast has much better exclusives.
Only trolls say this, it's a forced and inorganic conclusion.
It's just how I feel man
The posts bleating that the saturn is trash seem more canned to me
Yea I mean I speak as someone who likes to play on the console. I've got a NTSC-J console because I figured it'd be cheaper. But I like to have a console set up and keep the collection of games curated.
Even if some games are multiplats, I don't care. I can have Sonic Jam, Super Ghouls N Ghosts, Puyo Puyo, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Layer Section, Outrun, metal slug, nearly all of those games run well - on a controller that feels good and the button layout owns for fighting games.
It's a good vibe plus it has the obscure titles like you're talking about , asuka 100%, groove on fight.
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Dreamcast has less games in general, but it's sort of quality over quantity imo, just like the SEGA CD. Saturn has plenty of games but as you said many of them are multiplats, while missing some of the titles that defined that generation (like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, which is on Dreamcast)
EOP issue
This is the opposite of true...
all the Dreamcast's best games are multiplatform, and what's worse, the versions released on other consoles are better .. I mean GameCube has the best version of Phantasy Star Online, which was arguably the Dreamcast's only truly legendary Sega title .. Sega cucked themselves hard with the DC, man
Those ports didn't come until later though, just like NiGHTS on PS2 or Super Mario 64 on Wii. Conversely a lot of Saturn games were already on PS1 (or in some cases 3DO) first.
Even in the 90's we all knew the Dreamcast was better. It's basically what Saturn should have been
There was cross platform shovelware on Saturn BUT there were a shit tonne of exclusives. Virtua Cop. Virtua Fighter. Virtual On, Daytona, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon....c'mon, I'm not going to type them all out, you know what they are. Saturn still the only way to play amazing games like Guardian Heroes to this day. And then you've got the best versions of all the capcom fighters .. sorry but Dreamcast does not compete
to this day the port of SFZ3 is the best one
LFG!!!
One problem is that alot of saturn exclusives are japan exclusive. However recently there have been translations done for the saturn.
The one that impresses me the most so far is the translation for Bulk Slash.
https://cdromance.com/sega_saturn_isos/bulk-slash-japan/
Tldr. Bulk slash got translated and profesionally voice acted in english.
>professionally voice acted
What the ever living frick?
Color me skeptical but intrigued. I will definitely check this shit out
A Saturn translation movement has been in full swing these past few years
https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/saturn-community-projects/saturn-translations/
The issue is that most of it's library is Japan-only.
That's it.
Saturn has no games.
>Willy
Done
Saturn emulation is pretty bad, so no one can play the games without real hardware, which most people didn’t buy, therefore, it has no games.
The few games that do work in emulation are pretty cool, though, but all pretty niche stuff like Baroque and Asuka 100%.
homie hasnt opened a saturn emulator since like 2013, that is most definitely not the case anymore and hasn't in a while
The Saturn has plenty of good games just not a whole lot of them.
I love Soul Calibur and Shenmue but outside of that the library precipitously drops in my interest. I don't care about Crazy Taxi at all. like elemental gimmick gear? Who gives a shit. Chu chu rocket, aqua fish leonard nimoy game, cannon spike. who cares. it has some good fighting games definitely its fighting game library can't be scoffed at. but saturn just has more variety especially for pick up and play games. Despite skies of arcadias soulful presentation i just dont care for JRPGs. house of the dead 2 is sick af. its got bangers, saturn just definitely has more games i can hang with and not get bored of.
Not many, that's for sure. DC neither. Hard to find an excuse to keep my cores
SEGA CD is better than both if you prefer Genesis and 2D/16-bit stuff. Beyond Sonic CD it has Terminator, Starblade, Road Rash, and a couple of nice shmups. Plus Snatcher, Popful Mail, and the Lunar titles
anyone who immediately points out multiplat games has never actually sat down and played any saturn exclusives
I'm just playing to the standard /vr/ talking points. I have XMvsSF. Shit's pretty sweet with a friend, although my library is pretty paltry, there are still many games I want to get
kai cart and burn that shit homie
I get into the aesthetic pleasure of looking at the cases and flipping through the manuals.Japanese look after their games so even getting cheap copies of games ususally the discs are scratch free. for my wii that is just homebrewed up and i play off the USB. but i got the saturn as like my enthusiast console
thats fair i understand, i have a decent collection of original saturn copies, i only really burn stuff i dont intend on actually buying, like haha funny bad games and stuff that's wildly overpriced. cause who the frick is paying 90 dollars to play bug 2
lol yea frick that shit. i get really about it like, im only gonna buy the stuff i can tell i am gonna really dig, and just have a curated thing going on. which i get might come off as sanctimonious but meh having a saturn is only to appease my satisfaction as a hobby i enjoy,
also, i hear people saying the cds can wear out the laser. idk how legit that is but the laser on mine already got a bit fricked. you can take the system apart and twist a little thingy in there to put more wattage through it to get a little extra life out of it. or thats the gist, im not technically minded. but i might have to replace it at some point. idk i just dont frick around with the burned games. although i do on my Dreamcast heh. but that gets far less play because usually my brother has it
they do wear out the laser but only slowly from my knowledge, basically its only a slight extra amount of work on the laser assembly
id buy that. if i was rich i'd get a satiator
If you mean SEGA games a lot of them were also simultaneously released on Windows 95, up to and including Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R. Most of the others are just arcade ports
All of these were released on Windows 95 and Guardian Heroes is technically on Xbox now, though I will agree these are probably the best/most important games on it aside from Sonic, NiGHTS, and some of the Capcom titles.
Outside of platformers I feel like a lot of these could go either way. Both had excellent 2D fighters for instance, same with shmups and RPG's. Personally I prefer Dreamcast for shmups, again even though there's less, I find them to be more unique and higher quality (nothing on Saturn comes close to Border Down imo)
>up to and including Sonic 3D Blast
PC 3d blast doesn't have 3D special stages though.
2D Fighters:
Saturn > Dreamcast
3D Platformers:
Dreamcast > Saturn
2D Platformers:
Saturn > Dreamcast
Strategy:
Saturn > Dreamcast
RPGs:
Saturn > Dreamcast
3D fighters:
Dreamcast = Saturn
2D Shooters:
Saturn > Dreamcast
3D Shooters:
Saturn > Dreamcast
Puzzle:
Saturn > Dreamcast
Action:
Saturn = Dreamcast
FPS:
Saturn > Dreamcast
Hipster Cred:
Dreamcast > Saturn
Open to having my mind changed but in 2023 Saturn > Dreamcast overall.
I forgot some:
Light Gun shooters:
Dreamcast = Saturn
Racing/Driving:
Dreamcast > Saturn
>2D Fighters:
>Saturn > Dreamcast
Immediately moronic
Dreamcast has MvC2, SF3, CvS2, last blade 2 as the big games. am i missing some?
saturn has SFzero2, 3, KoF games, fatal fury, marvel super heroes vs SF, and some cool obscure ones which i mentioned earlier, asuka 100%, groove on fight and more
for me preferring the zero series to sf 3 heavily skews me to saturn but i don't think its a no contest situation between the two platforms
either way, you gotta say neither console is anything to dismiss when it comes to 2d fighters
>MvC2, CvS2
Perfect ports since they were on nearly the same hardware, reasonable to play in 2024.
>SFzero2, 3, KoF games, fatal fury, marvel super heroes vs SF
All inferior ports that have no reason to be played in the current year.
Saturn versions are superior and have unique features to this day. Also a far better gamepad for fighters.
Saturn ports of CPS2 games all run at a lower resolution with worse quality sound effects. Nobody actually plays them today, if they do play those games they use Fightcade.
i play them 🙂 and i enlist my friends to play them and understand the give and take of a street fighter match. since theyre not nerds enough to know about fightcade, as cool as it is. and its just a different experience around a old CRT together. people get something ineffable from that
MiSTer would be more well suited for this. You could play the actual games instead of downgraded ports and use whatever USB controllers you want.
Mister is inferior, doesn't play saturn games as good as the saturn.
Not yet. But it does play CPS2 and Neo Geo games better than Saturn.
Seems to be an irrelevant goalpost shift. Just get a saturn.
>Seems to be an irrelevant goalpost shift
You seem to be incapable of following a simple reply chain. Someone said the Saturn was good for 2D fighting games because of inferior ports of CPS2 and NeoGeo games. MiSTer plays those games better than Saturn. Hence I made a simple suggestion.
>Hence I dug my heels in on an off-topic point
That's not off-topic.
The topic is whether the Saturn has a good library and doing a compare and contrast to dreamcast. You seem to be incapable of following a mere little wee topic provocation my dear friend
The library consisting of inferior ports of games that are outmoded in several ways affects its evaluation.
well, fair enough. i suppose your criteria is just not for everyone.
This is about saturn and dreamcast, not whichever disposable chinese plastics you're high on this week.
The Saturn is simply outclassed in its field by another device. Little reason to play outdated inferior ports when the real deal is available. Dreamcast doesn't have this issue as much.
Inferior to Saturn, as already pointed out.
>Inferior to Saturn
The Saturn ports are downgraded.
>and can be played with a non shit controller,
Dreamcast has always had the iconic green goblin fightstick.
The Saturn ports are superior.
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Nothing superior about those sound effects. Yikes.
>if we get into a discussion of dreamcast is better with an arcade stick over saturn base controller, thats a tick for saturn to me
anyway you didn't even reply to the second section of my post. i think i made a more considered argument than you across the course of this thread 🙂 inferior port bad. you're like a robot
>inferior port bad
Exactly. Literally no reason to play Saturn ports of CPS2 or NeoGeo games.
XD there must be a wind-up dial on your back
You could say the same about the inferior ports on the Dreamcast...
The listed ports (MvC2, CvS2) are not inferior.
Then why does nobody play the dreamcast ports?
Simple, they're inferior to the originals and other later ports like hd.
They do on Fightcade.
Janny why are you allowed to offtopic shitpost?
The version being played on fightcade and in competitive is the naomi one, the dreamcast has a bunch of additional shit that you will never see in a match.
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Wrong.
inferior to the HD version (higher resolution, better quality sound effects.)
The HD version is outmoded currently since it's been delisted for a decade.
Irrelevant goalpost shift, it's the superior version. Do you deny this? Reminder: the resolution is higher and the sound is better.
It's not irrelevant when nobody can play it.
Just find it online homie lmao
Split playerbase between PS3 and 360 + requires a modded console with an ability to connect to the servers. Yeah nobody is going to play that versus Fightcade.
Take that out the rom out of the ps3 or Xbox's HD brah.
He says while promoting the....Dreamcast version.....
Right.
Anyway, you admit it's the superior version, that is all.
>you admit it's the superior version
It's the same game at a higher res with widescreen. It's not like the Saturn where one version is obviously inferior.
Resolution differential was a significant factor in your dismissal of Saturn arcade conversions
Because those were lower res than the CPS2 originals. The Dreamcast versions aren't outdated when everyone is still playing them.
>MVC2 isn't on Saturn
I never said it was.
The preferred version is the superior naomi original, not the inferior dreamcast port. You don't play these games at all, do you?
>The preferred version is the superior naomi original
Tournaments use the Dreamcast version. You're wrong.
Tournaments aren't happening 24/7, they're playing the naomi version which is the superior version over dreamcast.
You wouldn't happen to be that one 45 year old anon with no job. right?
They're the same thing.
And the Dreamcast version is arcade perfect, unlike Saturn ports of CPS2 and NeoGeo games.
Saturn also has arcade perfect games, so what?
It doesn't have arcade perfect ports of CPS2 or NeoGeo games.
They're superior on Saturn, correct.
Like you said, we already have fightcade for those if i don't care about port exclusive content.
ST-V ports are all arcade perfect since it shares the same hardware with the Saturn.
The point was though that having contrivances to fit the Saturn hardware isn't a deal breaker for everyone, but for some reason you couldn't appreciate that fact ages ago. You're entitled to your preferences but when you guard them so tightly in a public discourse it's a bummer to the point of the thread. Though it's well derailed now
Probably because people can't just buy a naomi board.
>It's the same game at a higher res with widescreen
So it's superior, thank you for conceding.
>It's not like the Saturn
MVC2 isn't on Saturn. You're really bad at this.
Welp, i stand corrected at least on the overall competitive scene, the one being played on fightcade is still the naomi one though
They literally do. You can see the GDEMU screen when they play them at recent EVOs
Well, emulation aside - saturn has arcade conversions that are not available on DC and can be played with a non shit controller,
i mean, with SFZ2. again like the resolution differences and lower bit voices ( and missing zangief backwalk and an elephant on dhalsims stage with less animation) are not so revelatory of a downgrade that i must reject SFZ2 as an entry on saturn. those differences don't effect my enjoyment of the game. if i rule out the game based on your criteria, it would be a waste, and actually gives unearned credit to the dreamcast. you should apply a more multivariate criteria to analysing the worth of the games across the board, rather than "not arcade perfect, inferior" being a way to rule the game out altogether. thats nonsensical when games are about having fun.
>Dreamcast doesn't have this issue as much.
LOL
you're right, that is an option. but im not convinced it would suit my interests more than a cool sega console from the 90s. like i said the downgrades on the saturn port are immaterial to my tastes. whatever the subtle benefits of MiSTer would be would be a tradeoff to the other things i like about saturn. the aesthetic experience of the system as a thing in itself is part of the charm. and though i started the thread bagging on the dreamcast, i do see the enjoyment of that system too. the VMU is a vibe you just won't get on fightcade. and if you want to look down and see a shitty dot pixel version of mitsurugi or voldo mid-match, well thats something you can do despite the absolute ass-tier dpad on a DC controller
>Saturn ports of CPS2 games all run at a lower resolution with worse quality sound effects
Irrelevant and also a lie based on poor emulation. You're out of your element and don't play games.
Yea, the resolution difference is utterly negligible for a non top-tier esports champion
>Also, the dreamcast controller sucks for fightans.
that's real. if we get into a discussion of dreamcast is better with an arcade stick over saturn base controller, thats a tick for saturn to me
Nobody plays the dreamcast version of those games either.
nah thats too reductionist. i plenty enjoy the saturn pad and experience to play sfz2 with some slight resolution difference and a missing zangief backwalk animation and some lower bit sounds. definitely not a deal breaker for how awesome sfz2 is. i thought retro game enthusiasts would be able to appreciate such things
He's an emulater not a gamer or enthusiast. Huge n64 fan too.
Nobody plays the dreamcast version of those games.
Also, the dreamcast controller sucks for fightans.
>Hipster Cred:
>Dreamcast > Saturn
b***h please. Every hipster on Earth in the 2020s gushes about how much they love the Saturn and arcade games as they game over on the first level of Salamander 2.
putting wine into a wineglass is a less efficient way of consuming the wine than putting the bottle to your lips without taking it out of the brown paper bag. but you miss the je ne sais quoi
Although it wouldn't really be in the spirit of /vr/ *not* to have someone pretentiously spout off about an unrelated emulator. so thanks for the robust experience
My mum makes better curry than your mum. No reason to keep living with inferior curry. Forgo your own mother and become my live-in sibling.
>but I like other things about my mum
My mum has a green controller it's fine
Post mum's curry.
To be honest, MvC2 is kind of a kusoge anyway.
I also think CvS2 as dripping with awesome presentation just isn't as balanced an experience as some of the fighters from which it was born (available on saturn) (although don't play those even if you enjoy them because they're inferior)
Crazy how a discussion about competing console libraries ended up in this wafer thin semantic squabble about what kind of differences in ports-of-a-single-title constitute "inferiority", which our inconsistent friend here treats like some steadfast objective principle while breaking his own metric in the process. Pride is a sin you know
Crazy how Saturn fans pretend to play outdated arcade ports of fighting games.
There are many different lifestyles out there 🙂
Nta but a bunch of Saturn ports have extra content and modes to them, sometimes even balance changes.
>ended up in this wafer thin semantic squabble
I think this can sum up 95% of threads on Ganker
Kind of like kids passing a ball around at lunch time, but you're akin to the kid who doesn't pass it back because now it's his
>or does it?
no. trust me, i looked
there are like three one could possibly consider must plays