The Mission (track that playes during the assault on president Deling's train) and Intruder (when you escape from Caraway's house) are severely underrated track.
The ironic part is that Odin was better than the gilgamesh they give you, he would 1 shot random encounters for you, greg can show up and do random shit
Children. I first played FF8 when I was 8 myself, and while I could figure out junctioning and triple triad just fine I had no idea I was getting punished for fighting random encounters.
Oh right. I usually just draw 100x everything and max out my seed class to get money to buy items and turn them into spells, then junction the super crazy shit.
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Only the bosses became a problem the stronger you became not basic enemies.
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I love how FF VIII did away with recolors and had only unique enemies.
Sadly only IX followed on that.
Thats wrong though. Bosses are still a pushover even overleveled. Meanwhile normal enemies start throwing stuff like meteor or ruby dragon uses breath.
t. Autist who leveled everyone, including Seifer and Edea, to level 100 as soon ad they joined.
>Kitase: "So this NORG guy, is he really that im-" >Developer: "We've finished the entire script, scenario, gameplay and boss battle for that section" >Kitase: "Oh..."
>It’s definately the weirdest JRPG of all time.
You didn't play enough JRPGs if you think that.
Imagine the iceberg meme:
- first level would be a babbys first JRPG like FFVII
- FFVIII would be on the second level
- third level probably something like Yakuza Like a Dragon
- fourth level probably LISA
- fifth level, we're starting getting into obscure territory, 60 Seconds to Hokaido falls here
- sixth level, I feel bad namedropping good stuff in front of plebs. But if you really want to know, IkitInoI.KK, nothing beats the weirdness and genius behind it
>Do a side-quest >Game punishes me by taking away a party member later
Speaking of Ward, do you think his giant anchor was standard issue for the Galbadian army? Or did he bring it from home?
Militaries in JRPGs basically function on a 'if you can use it, bring it' system. Ward showed off he was as effective swinging his anchor as a regular soldier using a machinegun, so they just let it slide.
What’s that feeling called when you’re playing FFVIII?
That somber melancholy while Blue Fields is playing on the overworld, walking past prerendered backdrops.
A lot of 80s anime have the same feel.
>norg claims you were ticked by martine into going to kill the sorceress >doesn't appear to be true, never mentioned again >half the staff rebel against cid and you don't; kill any of them >never mentioned again >you literally go downstairs, see norg threatening cid, and then immediately murder him >cid never says a fricking word about it
FF8 is amazing but what a weird game
>Lengthy sidequest where you meet NORG's people. >All you learn is that they don't like showing off their hands.
Why was NORG chosen to be an elder? Why did he become an outcast? Where did he get his money to fund the garden?
I actually played that yesterday and thought that it was a moment of unparalelled kino. I like that Squall understood the deeper meaning behind it, and that you can have him explain it to the other members of the party. This is followed by a subversion where it's made clear that, yes, it really was an empty gesture after all, and that the entire point was to give the party a moment of peace while they're clearly in the middle of a huge vortex of destiny bullshit. Amazing stuff. Still need to go back and do the follow-up sidequest with the artisan today.
Another similar moment of kino which I have NEVER seen before happened with the Master Fisherman in FH. That whole backstory for Mayor Dobe and the scenes with the fisherman's apprentice were something I've completely missed up until now. What an absolute kino game, I just wish it had been given another year of development like it clearly needed.
There's a sidequest involving the cafeteria lady in BG and her son in FH. Plus there's three students in Balamb who will flunk out unless you talk to them repeatedly throughout the game. Zell's love quest, the Dollet dog quest, getting a Rosetta Stone from D-District prison, there's so much unmarked stuff that even most online guides never mention.
>There's a sidequest involving the cafeteria lady in BG and her son in FH.
I think I started that one because I asked her about her son at the beginning of the game, but didn't follow up on it yet. Didn't clock the three students, although I've spoken to everyone at least once. Thanks for the tip, will make sure I don't miss any of these. What a kino game.
>getting a Rosetta Stone from D-District prison
Or if you feel like dicking around with RNG manipulation, 3 Rosetta Stones
>norg claims you were ticked by martine into going to kill the sorceress >doesn't appear to be true, never mentioned again >half the staff rebel against cid and you don't; kill any of them >never mentioned again >you literally go downstairs, see norg threatening cid, and then immediately murder him >cid never says a fricking word about it
FF8 is amazing but what a weird game
>norg claims you were ticked by martine into going to kill the sorceress >doesn't appear to be true, never mentioned again
You can talk to Martine about it in FH after he gets fired. He doesn't say all that much, as far as I recall, but it's not completely forgotten.
The Cid/NORG thing was more or less settled there and I'm pretty sure Cid tells you he doesn't wish to talk about it more. His explanation for the funding/early founding of the garden is as much as he's willing to say.
>You can talk to Martine about it in FH after he gets fired. He doesn't say all that much, as far as I recall, but it's not completely forgotten.
I thought that too, but actually, what he says is entirely about how he got fired from the garden. He doesn't even acknowledge that you've already met, or mention the mission in any way. I tried talking to him again, but he just repeats the same thing.
NORG originally owned the Ultima draw point in the village. He made all his cash selling draws to tourists. Someday he hired 3 goons and went the frick away from the boring village life.
the 3 goons are selling draws for norg until this day.
Laguna was meant to have the same length of story like Squall but it was cut.
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I've heard that one before. That effectively they were gonna have two world maps even. One in the past for Laguna, in addition to the one for Squall in the present. Which is hilarious to hear, since FFVIII's world map is easily the least interesting to explore or navigate of the three PSX FFs.
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You didn't like renting a car and running out of gas?
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Was there even any reason to? You get Balabm Garden so early in the game that there was never any point.
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I found cars very useful for travelling between balamb and the garden before the timber mission to keep the Diff rule in place. Also, moving from Timber to Dollet and Deling for the queen of cards. You don't need to do any of this though so in a normal run, yeah, pointless. But if you do a normal run of FF8 you're missing out.
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Grinding Diablos's no encounter ability makes things much easier when you have to go somewhere in the world map.
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You also got no encounters if you stuck to roads/railtracks, which I always thought was a neat detail
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Interesting I did not know that.
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You really didn't know that? Heh. Forests have a higher encounter rate. Game tells you so in the seeds tests.
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I don't think I ever read the questions in the SeeD tests.
I just hit TRUE TRUE TRUE FALSE TRUE TRUE on all the tests, looked at my final score, and inferred the correct answers from it.
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>appears in FF14 >kick his ass in a dungeon >kill him again in a 24 man raid after fusing with another void demon >kill him yet again in a 48 man raid after fusing with the core of a giant airship he was trapped in and used as fuel by
Diablos can't catch a break.
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I saw an anon's theory that he would show up again in thr 6.0 postpatch and try to absorb zeromus for ROUND FOUR homie and I kinda wish it had happened
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>since FFVIII's world map is easily the least interesting to explore or navigate of the three PSX FFs
IX was the most boring one, I can remember locations fondly from VII and VIII but not from IX.
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Nuts. The pacing at which that game uncovers more and more of that world map is flawless.
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Except there's hardly anything there outside of the first continent.
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I never understood why they made such a huge step back in terms of art style for that one.
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I recall reading that IX began development as a side game, like Mystic Quest or Crystal Chronicles, but it got shifted mid-development into being a numbered title due to X taking so long.
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>Mystic Quest
Wasn't this a bastard version of V?
He did nothing wrong.
>In the sparing match between Squall and Seifer they both give each other a scar yet characters paint Seifer as an butthole >Cid tells Seifer that he shouldn't be a mindless machine yet Quistis and Xu berated him over his decision of correctly checking what the Galbadia soldiers were trying to do in the tower and he isn't allowed to pass despitehe congratulated everyone who passed >Gets understandably posses that three Seeds were sent after a president in their first mission and tried to help them
Childhood is thinking he is an butthole.
Adulthood is realising Quistis is a b***h.
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>In the sparing match between Squall and Seifer they both give each other a scar yet characters paint Seifer as an butthole
Yes, because Seifer used magic which was against the rules and then struck Squall first. >Cid tells Seifer that he shouldn't be a mindless machine yet Quistis and Xu berated him over his decision of correctly checking what the Galbadia soldiers were trying to do in the tower and he isn't allowed to pass despitehe congratulated everyone who passed
It was not correct to abandon his post, they learn what the Galbadians wanted within hours anyway because the terms of Galbadia's withdrawal are that the tower remains operational now that they've fixed it. >Gets understandably posses that three Seeds were sent after a president in their first mission and tried to help them
This makes perfect sense and he did nothing wrong here. Also, he's the first to applaud after you return from being made a SeeD.
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Oh and, not to mention, you had to stop describing his actions there because after that point they turn into literal war crimes and attempted genocide.
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He is an butthole, that just doesn't mean he doesn't care about/like Squall on some level. He is also a massive simp.
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>He is also a massive simp
Edea is very hot and underrated.
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>yet characters paint Seifer as an butthole
based on prior experience with him
squall's strike was a retaliatory strike after seifer deliberately wounded him, mind
>Cid tells Seifer that he shouldn't be a mindless machine yet Quistis and Xu berated him over his decision of correctly checking what the Galbadia soldiers were trying to do in the tower and he isn't allowed to pass despitehe congratulated everyone who passed
I liked this touch, demonstrating the fallibility of adults in the FF8 world. All the higher ups had their own ideas about Seifer's faults but none of them actually hit the real flaws.
Quistis wasn't a b***h, she was just promoted beyond her ability far too young
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Quistis IS a b***h who plays favourites, but she was also made an instructor at 19, and has a vegana that I want to cum inside and get her pregnant and raise a family with her, so... Sorry Seifer. Eat shit.
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Quistis IS a b***h who plays favourites, but she was also made an instructor at 19, and has a vegana that I want to cum inside and get her pregnant and raise a family with her, so... Sorry Seifer. Eat shit.
It's important to realize at that point that Balamb Garden doesn't really want to start a political incident that falls on their heads. By sticking to Dollet's orders as mercs they keep a veneer of neutrality that prevents Galbadia from seeing the Garden system as hostile to itself politically (though Balamb is an independent island and so is Balamb Garden, Galbadia Garden is associated with it and obviously operates in Galbadia, and as you see in the game SeeD from Balamb can/do cooperate with or transfer to Galbadia Garden on missions.) Seifer rushing off on his own accord lets Dollet point to him and say "this guy who was fricking with Galbadia was acting on his own, don't get mad at us." whereas if he stays in town all his actions are on Dollet's head.
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The world of FF8 isn't america where you're the bad guy for retaliating. As is proper, Seifer got in trouble for that shit because he's the one that blasted Squall with the fireball and then slashed the sword across his face just to be an butthole. Squall isn't in the wrong for hitting him back.
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There's just so much unused space in 8's map. It suffered from all the cut content, including most of the eastern continent. 9 had some gaps in the map but you had chocobo treasure hunts to encourage exploration compared to the mess that was 8's chocobo system. 7 i felt like had a near perfect world map, only 2 real gaps in the world map (north corel materia desert, northern wastes). I felt like you should have been able to enter the cabin to easily retrack back to glacier/caves/WW maze
It’s like if the board of directors got pissed the company president was reallocating company assets for his personal issues, causing one of your three branch offices to get blown up. Then when they tried to fire him, half the employees team up to kill the board of directors.
I guess for Cid, he was just like, “Whelp, Squall’s got a gunblade. Time to complete that time loop my estranged wife witnessed. Frick it.”
FF8 is so weird, it hides its creation mythos behind an optional npc in an optional part of a city you have absolutely no reason to visit. The whole bit with Hyne and being beaten the SHIT up by humans and being split in half as a trick. It's all behind one fricking NPC like 80% of people never talk to.
VIII had some cool things done in the story, but it's all executed kinda meh.
I like the Hyne story. Generally games treat all legends as true, but in VIII you get three different conflicting versions of the Hyne legend, and even then you gotta ask if it's even partially right, because you never really get any acknowledgement of Hyne in game. It could all be bullshit made up from people trying to justify sorceresses.
Did you know the Lunatic Pandora is a crystal? The magic crystals that old Final Fantasy games used to revolve around? Laguna and company talk about it, they're completely flabbergasted that "some rock" could control the earth like this. It's a world of science and little magic, they can't wrap their heads around the fact Adel found the Crystal of Earth. They never really expand upon this though.
Also, Dr. Odine just being a footnote for a small portion on Disc 3 only. The dude is responsible for EVERYTHING in the game! Junctions, para-magic, partial time travel.
People say that it's supposed to be "subtle", but to me it screams half baked.
>Did you know the Lunatic Pandora is a crystal?
Yes. There's some door you can only open as Laguna, otherwise Squall in the present can't explore that part. >They never really expand on this part though.
Because the driving force of the game is Squall + Rinoa and how it all relates to them, everything else is sort of pushed to the side.
summary skips over a key point: Hyne decided to start reducing the number of humans with the weakest and smallest individuals, leaving the most useful ones. The smallest and weakest humans are children, he had begun to mass-murder them and was utterly confused why the humans cared or reacted the way they did.
It also makes a mistake: Hyne's bad half was his skin, which he gave to men. He gave his good half, his power, to women, hiding it as the Sorceresses, reasoning that because humans protect children and men protect women (which he had learned during the rebellion), that the men would protect and nurture the sorceresses instead of abusing the power. He was wrong, of course, men fought and killed over the sorceresses, they grew to hate, despise, and abuse them for having a power they didn't, and so on and so on.
We don't know, the last we hear of it (from the larger version of the myth in the Ultimania), the most powerful human warlord is battling with rivals to possess it. What becomes of it after that point is never told to us.
The king tried wearing it, thinking he could then cast magic. It didn't work. It's unknown if it was kept or destroyed. Possibly destroyed when he declared his blood vendetta against Hyne after realizing he was tricked.
Keep in mind humans casting magic is an extremely recent phenomenon in VIII. Dr. Odine had invented GF junctioning and Para-Magic in only the last decade. GF junctioning being extremely experimental and para-magic being extremely weak.
Any anons reading this right now who do not own a guitar - buy the cheapest full size acoustic you can find (harley benton probably) and look up "breezy fingerstyle" on youtube. It's remarkably easy to learn as a beginner and it's such a comfy feel to play something like that from your childhood.
What? Dude literally tried to destroy a city by dropping billions of monsters on top of it and tried to help a deranged clown demon impose a worldwide dystopian nightmare. Pretty sure it was also him that ordered the bombing of Trabia garden too (he was made head of Galbadia's military). Guy should've been fricking hanged but instead he just gets to chill and fish at the end of the game.
>kidnaps a president >becomes the second in command of the most powerful entity known to man >is made general of the entire Galbadian army >commands the Lunactic Pandora, a judgement-day level weapon >"did nothing"
It made no sense to me why anyone in Galbaldia continued to listen to him after the president died and Edea fricked off. >gets told like 5 words about Lunatic Pandora and somehow finds it below the ocean
Why didn't Galbadia just ask, hey, can we come take a look at your radio tower? We might be able to fix it. Also how to you advertise that a live event is about to happen to people that haven't seen live TV in 17 years?
>Also how to you advertise that a live event is about to happen to people that haven't seen live TV in 17 years?
HD cables. They do have TV, it's just not been transmitted over the air in that many years because of Adel's intereference.
I know it's an (obscure) lore point that a sorceress without a knight/husbando slowly turns more and more monstrous looking, but how in the FRICK is Adell so masculine?
>Country spends years in a war against a sorceress, with all the propaganda and war material building up civilians against them. >The war against Adel and Esthar is called "The second sorceress war", so they've had multiple wars against sorceresses. >A decade later their president welcomes a sorceress into his cabinet. >She kills him on stage with hundreds of thousands watching. >She faces no backlash, and in fact seizes control of the country.
At BARE minimum there should have been a huge military coup, completely throwing the country in chaos.
The crowd cheer throughout the speech and show absolutely no reaction to the news, but then when Squall jumps from the tower it appears that soldiers are basically doing riot control. It's a bit unclear wtf is going on.
>The crowd cheer throughout the speech and show absolutely no reaction to the news
Maybe it was just me but I always interpreted that as them sounding shocked.
Maybe, but their animations show them jumping around the cheering anyway. Probably just a limitation of the engine. Also, this happens *before* she gets on the float and does a full circle of the city and the crowd doesn't even flee or disperse. It's just another one of the weird off-key moments that make me love this game.
The crowd cheer throughout the speech and show absolutely no reaction to the news, but then when Squall jumps from the tower it appears that soldiers are basically doing riot control. It's a bit unclear wtf is going on.
>The crowd cheer throughout the speech and show absolutely no reaction to the news
Maybe it was just me but I always interpreted that as them sounding shocked.
Maybe, but their animations show them jumping around the cheering anyway. Probably just a limitation of the engine. Also, this happens *before* she gets on the float and does a full circle of the city and the crowd doesn't even flee or disperse. It's just another one of the weird off-key moments that make me love this game.
>Before the assassination attempt takes place, Edea/Ultimecia uses her acceptance speech as a means to seize control of the government, and murders Deling by impaling him with her hand. No one seems to react to Deling's death or retaliate against her for it. The Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania reveals Edea/Ultimecia has enchanted the surrounding crowds with a spell.[1]
Bullshit reason, but I guess it's the best you got to explain how an entire city sat back and watched a parade after seeing someone get murdered.
>The Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania reveals Edea/Ultimecia has enchanted the surrounding crowds with a spell.[1]
I have to admit, I did wonder if that was the case (especially because she has Rinoa next to her, who is swaying and clearly under some kind of spell), but there was no reference to it actually happening. I guess it's better than nothing. Weird, then, that you pretty much walk up and stab her in the face 5 minutes later.
>The Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania reveals Edea/Ultimecia has enchanted the surrounding crowds with a spell.[1]
I have to admit, I did wonder if that was the case (especially because she has Rinoa next to her, who is swaying and clearly under some kind of spell), but there was no reference to it actually happening. I guess it's better than nothing. Weird, then, that you pretty much walk up and stab her in the face 5 minutes later.
I swear this was mentioned in the game, but I guess not?
Btw, I am playing the Remaster with McIndus' mods and it looks and plays amazingly well, but they actually removed a ton of the more autistic achievements. No cheevo any more for keeping Squall at minimum level, or even for collecting all the cards. It's pretty much obtaining all GFs and then random relatively easy stuff like completing the Pupu side quest, getting all Timber Maniacs, etc.
There's basically nothing explaining why the world, not the nations but the world itself, is the way it is in FF8. Even the Hyne myth, assuming it's true, only explains where humans and sorceresses come from, not monsters or why they're on the moon or the mechanics of anything.
My personal schizo theory is that at some point during development, Ultimecia(Artemisia) was even more heavily associated with the moon(notice how during a few animated cutscenes focus on the moon like the Dollet invasion one) and that her castle was actually there. Ragnarok would be used to reach it, and Ultimecia would use the lunar cry to send monsters from there. Obviously I could be wrong, but its just weird to me how many things are named after the moon or lunatic concepts.
Dr. Odine discovered junctioning, so GFs are only a recent history kind of thing, only a decade or so old in VIII.
GFs are most likely powerful monsters, as Ifrit, Diablos, and Doom Train are bosses. I doubt they willingly help humans, Ifrit seemed angry that you "captured" Shiva.
It can be inferred Sorceresses have GFs, a much powerful version. Ultimecia's Griever is probably the only true GF you see in the game.
Where the player's GFs only protect them for a short while and cast a single spell. Griever is able to stay out on the battlefield for a long time dealing all sorts of attacks. Junctioning for players is only stat boosts, junctioning for Ultimecia is transforming her entire body into something more powerful.
Maybe it's also possible the bosses in Ultimecia's castle are also GFs fully controlled by Ultimicia? I think Tiamat is said to be one at least.
Ultimecia used magic to create Griever based on Squall's mental perception of a strong creature that protects him, she basically made a guardian for herself. It's not a natural part of her nature as a sorceress as anything, it's probably more similar to how she turned those gargoyles into living things, an expression of power rather than of her nature.
Everyone talking about the scene with Cid and the betrayal thing, but does the game ever mention what happened to NORG after he cocooned and then hatched and disappeared?
>whatever >whatever >whatever
Honestly it's worth the couple years it takes to learn enough Japanese to play them in their original language and not have to deal with localization.
You're REplaying the games anyway, so you already have a shitload of context from which you can understand the words you don't know yet.
>When visiting Fishermans Horizon for the first time, the human boatman on Drunkman Alley wonders what NORG will evolve into, confusing Squall.
WHAT!
Fisherman's Horizon are the ancient Centra race, right? They know how to work the Garden's ancient flying controls, the mayor has airship blueprints, and now I figure out they're aware of Shumi evolution. Maybe they've taken a non-combative due to past sins? I'm not having crazy head canon here, am I?
The Centra aren't the Cetra, they're not ancient. They ruled the entire world for most of history and only got nuked like a century or so ago. The only reason they seem so mysterious is because the core of their empire, the Central Continent, basically became a crater, the Eastern Continent which has managed to keep itself together politically and technologically doesn't get properly explored in the game because of cut content, and the Western Continent broke apart into dozens of micronations who warred with each other and lost like half of their technology and history until Galbadia rose up from this mess and started unifying it all into a functional state 20 years ago. The North/Trabia Continent is/was a backwater that's also unexplored because of cut content and while we do explore Balamb Island properly it also is/was a backwater during the Centra Empire.
>A Shumi's life cycle depends on their personality, which determines their ultimate appearance. One Shumi even desires to evolve into a human. >The most common final form of the Shumi is the Moomba; while this form is highly respected, it is still considered a failure to some extent, as the most prized transformation is that of an Elder. >NORG is apparently an Elder, despite his distinctly abnormal personality and behavior; his deformed face might reflect this. >Shumi are generally peaceful and kind, with NORG being a notable exception. >NORG's life cycle was apparently incomplete, as he turns into a cocoon after his boss fight. If his boss room is revisited later, it is occupied by some Shumi who apologize for NORG's behavior. Notably, the cocoon is now broken. It is never explained what happened to NORG.
Crash site of the escape pod after the moon scenario. It doesn't show on the map as anything special, you just walk to a random spot on Esthar and you're there. Can do some card related stuff here. (There might also be a hidden draw point, I don't remember). It's a rather bizarre and pointless detail but it's there.
>What is mistwalker doing now?
They work with Apple to make iPhone games. Fantasian is... okay. Sakaguchi is pretty much in semi-retirement mode, putting in the bare minimum work. He's even stated it in interviews.
I only played that 1st mobile game they made where you moved your tile people through others to make them move further? Eh I don't really recall much about it
Final Fantasy VIII is the Final Fantasy for Artists.
Accordingly, it is the Greatest Final Fantasy and held the title of Greatest RPG and Greatest Game for a long stretch of time.
that scene reminded me of that cat at a resturant table with the woman yelling at it, only with Cid yelling at Norg as Edea (with long hair) looks in disdain. have you visited /vrpg/? there's some schizo who makes bizarre theories or threads about FFVIII. Irvine at one point want meant to be a Cid with the goggles instead of a cowboy hat. i have a lot of screen captures from playing it the past year until Halloween where Irvine blitzkrieg the hell out of Ultimecia with Ammo. I honestly think an SoP game with Laguna would be great. did you ever defeat the machine in the dollet raid? lots of interesting changes later on ingame. also need to webM some files i have saved.
>there's some schizo who makes bizarre theories or threads about FFVIII. Irvine at one point want meant to be a Cid with the goggles instead of a cowboy hat
I have never heard this before.
My personal schizo theory is that at some point during development, Ultimecia(Artemisia) was even more heavily associated with the moon(notice how during a few animated cutscenes focus on the moon like the Dollet invasion one) and that her castle was actually there. Ragnarok would be used to reach it, and Ultimecia would use the lunar cry to send monsters from there. Obviously I could be wrong, but its just weird to me how many things are named after the moon or lunatic concepts.
what's her problem with Seed? also the sidequests with the Seed students in the cafeteria can graduate if you revisit them numerous times, or the little boy stops playing card games at BG if you didn't help the three characters in the training room once BG is being raided.
There was a prophecy that SeeD would kill her. She grew up as an orphan being abused and hunted for being a Sorceress, which other than making her bitter and hateful, has given her a pathological obsession with safety, so she went through any means possible to ensure nobody could ever hurt her. Time Compression would basically make it impossible. Of course the irony is that in seeking to prevent her death, she not only ensured it was carried out, but also became the sort of monster in the past that inspired people to hate Sorceresses so much when she was a child and abuse her, turning her into a monster and... time loop etc.
you did every possible sidequest even if it wasn't rewarding in the end right? I forgot to get the Laguna card. I decided to ditch the 100 percent completion once I reached the castle. I had about 97 percent I think? also if you repay a visit to NPCs you've encountered, throughout the game they'll say something different like that one Galbadian soldier on the train where the failed assassination attempt took place is the same guy at Dollet when he's talking about taking his fiance to dinner.
Was Adel a female with the body of a man? also pisses me off i couldn't screencap or record some scenes in the game due to spoilers, which is a load of road apples.
You literally can't be a male sorceress she was just abusinb sorceress roids I guess. Look how freaky all the extra sorceresses in Ultimecia's castle were, it must mutate you.
You literally can't be a male sorceress she was just abusinb sorceress roids I guess. Look how freaky all the extra sorceresses in Ultimecia's castle were, it must mutate you.
It's lore from the Ultimania that a Sorceress without a Knight eventually becomes monstrous, basically loses touch with her humanity. I dunno if it's why Adel roided up, but it's definitely why those Sorceresses (and Ultimecia to a lesser extent) have inhuman traits, while non-possessed Edea and Rinoa both look completely fine.
>trabia garden was theorized to be a garden hidden in the clouds. >ultimecia castle was clouded in time and space.
pretty interesting. also squall and seifer were originally meant to be orphans at the lighthouse, but they decided to throw everyone in last minute.
Ooohohohoho. Jabba won neechee kochba mu shanee wy tonny wya uska.
Yousa people gonna die?
RENZOKUKEN
TRIGGER
In a lot of ways Cid was the true villain
Monsters are from space.
The moon specifically.
Mr Elvoret is helping me find my gunblade.
Am I the only one who recently discovered you could get a GF from him?
>GF
GirlForce
If only it were that easy 🙁
>he didn't have the Brady Games guide
This guide is fully scanned in a porn site btw.
Well then you really have no excuse.
I am not that anon.
breonna taylor
Black folk
NORG never dies. He cocoons himself and becomes reborn.
What an odd species.
Why was 8 so creepy? This track is nightmare fuel.
>unreleased rehearsal recording
Damn so creepy bro.
The start of the track is in the game they just removed the clean vocals.
And she's the sheriff!
Anon, lets plot a course
Intercourse
The Mission (track that playes during the assault on president Deling's train) and Intruder (when you escape from Caraway's house) are severely underrated track.
Balab Garden
Triple Traid
Renkukozen
Quezacotell
Quistie
If Rit
Thundagaga
Seefer
Fellow dyslexic
Did you onions face?
I knew something weird was gonna happen because there was no way they were gonna let me zantetsuken a boss
Did not expect the payoff at all, though
Only problem with this is that Seifer is an absolute jobber so it's totally unbelievable
>The gang has to 3 v 1 him
>This is somehow a bad look for Seifer
The ironic part is that Odin was better than the gilgamesh they give you, he would 1 shot random encounters for you, greg can show up and do random shit
yes I know he can also hut bosses who cares
Who the hell is fighting random encounters in VIII?
Especially towards the end where the game becomes a boss rush.
Children. I first played FF8 when I was 8 myself, and while I could figure out junctioning and triple triad just fine I had no idea I was getting punished for fighting random encounters.
Explain
Enemies in this game scale.
Oh right. I usually just draw 100x everything and max out my seed class to get money to buy items and turn them into spells, then junction the super crazy shit.
Only the bosses became a problem the stronger you became not basic enemies.
I love how FF VIII did away with recolors and had only unique enemies.
Sadly only IX followed on that.
Thats wrong though. Bosses are still a pushover even overleveled. Meanwhile normal enemies start throwing stuff like meteor or ruby dragon uses breath.
t. Autist who leveled everyone, including Seifer and Edea, to level 100 as soon ad they joined.
Randoms are the best.
Non of the bosses would frick your shit like Ruby Dragon, Marlboro or Snow Lion would.
If I cared about efficacy I'd just be doing speedrun strats start to finish.
I get Gilgamesh because it's cool. I need no other reason.
VIII is weird. I genuinely don’t know how they came up with half the stuff. It’s definately the weirdest JRPG of all time.
Kitase did not direct the team at all.
That would explain a few things
>acts as game director for ff8
>directs jack shit
what did he do then
>what did he do then
FF6, 7, Chrono Trigger...?
>Kitase: "So this NORG guy, is he really that im-"
>Developer: "We've finished the entire script, scenario, gameplay and boss battle for that section"
>Kitase: "Oh..."
It's legit hard to imagine a scenario where this isn't exactly what happened. Even the boss fight is fancy compared to most others.
>It’s definately the weirdest JRPG of all time.
You didn't play enough JRPGs if you think that.
Imagine the iceberg meme:
- first level would be a babbys first JRPG like FFVII
- FFVIII would be on the second level
- third level probably something like Yakuza Like a Dragon
- fourth level probably LISA
- fifth level, we're starting getting into obscure territory, 60 Seconds to Hokaido falls here
- sixth level, I feel bad namedropping good stuff in front of plebs. But if you really want to know, IkitInoI.KK, nothing beats the weirdness and genius behind it
>Yakuza Like a Dragon
How is 'silly criminal man in mostly realistic Japan' very deep or weird?
>LISA
Not a JRPG.
>>LISA
>Not a JRPG.
Opinion discarded. A JRPG does not have to be made in Japan.
>A JRPG does not have to be made in Japan.
>A Japanese Role Playing Game does not need to be made in Japan
That manga is comfy as heck.
Not VIII, but holy shit the first time I went to the Omega Ruins and met big daddy Malboro was a bad time.
(Marlboro is a gay, drop the R).
Anon...
you're the most handsome guy here
>Do a side-quest
>Game punishes me by taking away a party member later
Speaking of Ward, do you think his giant anchor was standard issue for the Galbadian army? Or did he bring it from home?
Militaries in JRPGs basically function on a 'if you can use it, bring it' system. Ward showed off he was as effective swinging his anchor as a regular soldier using a machinegun, so they just let it slide.
He's a former marine. I mean, just look at that outfit.
So going by your headcanon, Undertale is a JRPG because it was made by a weeb living in Japan?
YWNBJ.
In what world is LAD lower on the iceberg than VIII? The weirdest part in LAD is Ichiban's undiagnosed schizophrenia.
google gives nothing for the last two, pretty obscure alright
What’s that feeling called when you’re playing FFVIII?
That somber melancholy while Blue Fields is playing on the overworld, walking past prerendered backdrops.
A lot of 80s anime have the same feel.
Ambiance.
That's soul
NORG
>norg claims you were ticked by martine into going to kill the sorceress
>doesn't appear to be true, never mentioned again
>half the staff rebel against cid and you don't; kill any of them
>never mentioned again
>you literally go downstairs, see norg threatening cid, and then immediately murder him
>cid never says a fricking word about it
FF8 is amazing but what a weird game
A shitload of the game was cut.
Him and Nomura just came up what the setting and basic plot, and designs and left the rest to the others.
>Lengthy sidequest where you meet NORG's people.
>All you learn is that they don't like showing off their hands.
Why was NORG chosen to be an elder? Why did he become an outcast? Where did he get his money to fund the garden?
I actually played that yesterday and thought that it was a moment of unparalelled kino. I like that Squall understood the deeper meaning behind it, and that you can have him explain it to the other members of the party. This is followed by a subversion where it's made clear that, yes, it really was an empty gesture after all, and that the entire point was to give the party a moment of peace while they're clearly in the middle of a huge vortex of destiny bullshit. Amazing stuff. Still need to go back and do the follow-up sidequest with the artisan today.
Another similar moment of kino which I have NEVER seen before happened with the Master Fisherman in FH. That whole backstory for Mayor Dobe and the scenes with the fisherman's apprentice were something I've completely missed up until now. What an absolute kino game, I just wish it had been given another year of development like it clearly needed.
There's a sidequest involving the cafeteria lady in BG and her son in FH. Plus there's three students in Balamb who will flunk out unless you talk to them repeatedly throughout the game. Zell's love quest, the Dollet dog quest, getting a Rosetta Stone from D-District prison, there's so much unmarked stuff that even most online guides never mention.
I like how alive the world is in that game even random NPC's have interesting dialogue.
And then they kill it in the 4th disc by having every town locked out.
Almost every final disc is just the final boss fight so it's too be expected.
>There's a sidequest involving the cafeteria lady in BG and her son in FH.
I think I started that one because I asked her about her son at the beginning of the game, but didn't follow up on it yet. Didn't clock the three students, although I've spoken to everyone at least once. Thanks for the tip, will make sure I don't miss any of these. What a kino game.
>getting a Rosetta Stone from D-District prison
Or if you feel like dicking around with RNG manipulation, 3 Rosetta Stones
>norg claims you were ticked by martine into going to kill the sorceress
>doesn't appear to be true, never mentioned again
You can talk to Martine about it in FH after he gets fired. He doesn't say all that much, as far as I recall, but it's not completely forgotten.
The Cid/NORG thing was more or less settled there and I'm pretty sure Cid tells you he doesn't wish to talk about it more. His explanation for the funding/early founding of the garden is as much as he's willing to say.
>You can talk to Martine about it in FH after he gets fired. He doesn't say all that much, as far as I recall, but it's not completely forgotten.
I thought that too, but actually, what he says is entirely about how he got fired from the garden. He doesn't even acknowledge that you've already met, or mention the mission in any way. I tried talking to him again, but he just repeats the same thing.
NORG is Rinoa
NORG originally owned the Ultima draw point in the village. He made all his cash selling draws to tourists. Someday he hired 3 goons and went the frick away from the boring village life.
the 3 goons are selling draws for norg until this day.
FFVIII's entire story feels like a first draft that was desperately written over a single weekend.
The director was barely involved
lol
Explains a lot, to be frank.
Laguna was meant to have the same length of story like Squall but it was cut.
I've heard that one before. That effectively they were gonna have two world maps even. One in the past for Laguna, in addition to the one for Squall in the present. Which is hilarious to hear, since FFVIII's world map is easily the least interesting to explore or navigate of the three PSX FFs.
You didn't like renting a car and running out of gas?
Was there even any reason to? You get Balabm Garden so early in the game that there was never any point.
I found cars very useful for travelling between balamb and the garden before the timber mission to keep the Diff rule in place. Also, moving from Timber to Dollet and Deling for the queen of cards. You don't need to do any of this though so in a normal run, yeah, pointless. But if you do a normal run of FF8 you're missing out.
Grinding Diablos's no encounter ability makes things much easier when you have to go somewhere in the world map.
You also got no encounters if you stuck to roads/railtracks, which I always thought was a neat detail
Interesting I did not know that.
You really didn't know that? Heh. Forests have a higher encounter rate. Game tells you so in the seeds tests.
I don't think I ever read the questions in the SeeD tests.
I just hit TRUE TRUE TRUE FALSE TRUE TRUE on all the tests, looked at my final score, and inferred the correct answers from it.
>appears in FF14
>kick his ass in a dungeon
>kill him again in a 24 man raid after fusing with another void demon
>kill him yet again in a 48 man raid after fusing with the core of a giant airship he was trapped in and used as fuel by
Diablos can't catch a break.
I saw an anon's theory that he would show up again in thr 6.0 postpatch and try to absorb zeromus for ROUND FOUR homie and I kinda wish it had happened
>since FFVIII's world map is easily the least interesting to explore or navigate of the three PSX FFs
IX was the most boring one, I can remember locations fondly from VII and VIII but not from IX.
Nuts. The pacing at which that game uncovers more and more of that world map is flawless.
Except there's hardly anything there outside of the first continent.
I never understood why they made such a huge step back in terms of art style for that one.
I recall reading that IX began development as a side game, like Mystic Quest or Crystal Chronicles, but it got shifted mid-development into being a numbered title due to X taking so long.
>Mystic Quest
Wasn't this a bastard version of V?
>In the sparing match between Squall and Seifer they both give each other a scar yet characters paint Seifer as an butthole
>Cid tells Seifer that he shouldn't be a mindless machine yet Quistis and Xu berated him over his decision of correctly checking what the Galbadia soldiers were trying to do in the tower and he isn't allowed to pass despitehe congratulated everyone who passed
>Gets understandably posses that three Seeds were sent after a president in their first mission and tried to help them
Childhood is thinking he is an butthole.
Adulthood is realising Quistis is a b***h.
>In the sparing match between Squall and Seifer they both give each other a scar yet characters paint Seifer as an butthole
Yes, because Seifer used magic which was against the rules and then struck Squall first.
>Cid tells Seifer that he shouldn't be a mindless machine yet Quistis and Xu berated him over his decision of correctly checking what the Galbadia soldiers were trying to do in the tower and he isn't allowed to pass despitehe congratulated everyone who passed
It was not correct to abandon his post, they learn what the Galbadians wanted within hours anyway because the terms of Galbadia's withdrawal are that the tower remains operational now that they've fixed it.
>Gets understandably posses that three Seeds were sent after a president in their first mission and tried to help them
This makes perfect sense and he did nothing wrong here. Also, he's the first to applaud after you return from being made a SeeD.
Oh and, not to mention, you had to stop describing his actions there because after that point they turn into literal war crimes and attempted genocide.
He is an butthole, that just doesn't mean he doesn't care about/like Squall on some level. He is also a massive simp.
>He is also a massive simp
Edea is very hot and underrated.
>yet characters paint Seifer as an butthole
based on prior experience with him
squall's strike was a retaliatory strike after seifer deliberately wounded him, mind
>Cid tells Seifer that he shouldn't be a mindless machine yet Quistis and Xu berated him over his decision of correctly checking what the Galbadia soldiers were trying to do in the tower and he isn't allowed to pass despitehe congratulated everyone who passed
I liked this touch, demonstrating the fallibility of adults in the FF8 world. All the higher ups had their own ideas about Seifer's faults but none of them actually hit the real flaws.
Quistis wasn't a b***h, she was just promoted beyond her ability far too young
Quistis IS a b***h who plays favourites, but she was also made an instructor at 19, and has a vegana that I want to cum inside and get her pregnant and raise a family with her, so... Sorry Seifer. Eat shit.
It's important to realize at that point that Balamb Garden doesn't really want to start a political incident that falls on their heads. By sticking to Dollet's orders as mercs they keep a veneer of neutrality that prevents Galbadia from seeing the Garden system as hostile to itself politically (though Balamb is an independent island and so is Balamb Garden, Galbadia Garden is associated with it and obviously operates in Galbadia, and as you see in the game SeeD from Balamb can/do cooperate with or transfer to Galbadia Garden on missions.) Seifer rushing off on his own accord lets Dollet point to him and say "this guy who was fricking with Galbadia was acting on his own, don't get mad at us." whereas if he stays in town all his actions are on Dollet's head.
The world of FF8 isn't america where you're the bad guy for retaliating. As is proper, Seifer got in trouble for that shit because he's the one that blasted Squall with the fireball and then slashed the sword across his face just to be an butthole. Squall isn't in the wrong for hitting him back.
There's just so much unused space in 8's map. It suffered from all the cut content, including most of the eastern continent. 9 had some gaps in the map but you had chocobo treasure hunts to encourage exploration compared to the mess that was 8's chocobo system. 7 i felt like had a near perfect world map, only 2 real gaps in the world map (north corel materia desert, northern wastes). I felt like you should have been able to enter the cabin to easily retrack back to glacier/caves/WW maze
It’s like if the board of directors got pissed the company president was reallocating company assets for his personal issues, causing one of your three branch offices to get blown up. Then when they tried to fire him, half the employees team up to kill the board of directors.
I guess for Cid, he was just like, “Whelp, Squall’s got a gunblade. Time to complete that time loop my estranged wife witnessed. Frick it.”
Is that the case in the JP version as well? The NA release had some infamous rewrites to story and characters.
NI
N
FF8 is so weird, it hides its creation mythos behind an optional npc in an optional part of a city you have absolutely no reason to visit. The whole bit with Hyne and being beaten the SHIT up by humans and being split in half as a trick. It's all behind one fricking NPC like 80% of people never talk to.
Where is that? I know it all but it was from reading some of the translations of the Ultimania guide. I didn't know it was laid out in detail in game.
There's a lady on the white SeeD ship teaching some children the myth
Awesome, thanks. Didn't reach that part yet, just got control of Balamb so I'm doing a hilarious amount of sidequests.
P.S. The chocobo forest one is godawful
In Balamb city you can also visit the house next to Zell's mom's house and an old man teaches some kids about The Great Hyne.
VIII had some cool things done in the story, but it's all executed kinda meh.
I like the Hyne story. Generally games treat all legends as true, but in VIII you get three different conflicting versions of the Hyne legend, and even then you gotta ask if it's even partially right, because you never really get any acknowledgement of Hyne in game. It could all be bullshit made up from people trying to justify sorceresses.
Did you know the Lunatic Pandora is a crystal? The magic crystals that old Final Fantasy games used to revolve around? Laguna and company talk about it, they're completely flabbergasted that "some rock" could control the earth like this. It's a world of science and little magic, they can't wrap their heads around the fact Adel found the Crystal of Earth. They never really expand upon this though.
Also, Dr. Odine just being a footnote for a small portion on Disc 3 only. The dude is responsible for EVERYTHING in the game! Junctions, para-magic, partial time travel.
People say that it's supposed to be "subtle", but to me it screams half baked.
>Did you know the Lunatic Pandora is a crystal?
Yes. There's some door you can only open as Laguna, otherwise Squall in the present can't explore that part.
>They never really expand on this part though.
Because the driving force of the game is Squall + Rinoa and how it all relates to them, everything else is sort of pushed to the side.
This anon's
summary skips over a key point: Hyne decided to start reducing the number of humans with the weakest and smallest individuals, leaving the most useful ones. The smallest and weakest humans are children, he had begun to mass-murder them and was utterly confused why the humans cared or reacted the way they did.
It also makes a mistake: Hyne's bad half was his skin, which he gave to men. He gave his good half, his power, to women, hiding it as the Sorceresses, reasoning that because humans protect children and men protect women (which he had learned during the rebellion), that the men would protect and nurture the sorceresses instead of abusing the power. He was wrong, of course, men fought and killed over the sorceresses, they grew to hate, despise, and abuse them for having a power they didn't, and so on and so on.
What did they do with his skin?
We don't know, the last we hear of it (from the larger version of the myth in the Ultimania), the most powerful human warlord is battling with rivals to possess it. What becomes of it after that point is never told to us.
The king tried wearing it, thinking he could then cast magic. It didn't work. It's unknown if it was kept or destroyed. Possibly destroyed when he declared his blood vendetta against Hyne after realizing he was tricked.
Keep in mind humans casting magic is an extremely recent phenomenon in VIII. Dr. Odine had invented GF junctioning and Para-Magic in only the last decade. GF junctioning being extremely experimental and para-magic being extremely weak.
Hopefully Dr. Odine finds a way to do it without eating a hole in your memories.
The GFs have to live in your head rent-free somehow.
He could probably figure out how to make a mechnical surrogate you can draw power from and the GF can live in without actively giving up brain space.
>kills children
>what? Why are the goyim upset?
More like Hyneberg
>Nomura only cares about making sure his dark-haired waifu fits his tastes
Kinda based ngl.
Breezy is the best town music in any Final Fantasy game.
Any anons reading this right now who do not own a guitar - buy the cheapest full size acoustic you can find (harley benton probably) and look up "breezy fingerstyle" on youtube. It's remarkably easy to learn as a beginner and it's such a comfy feel to play something like that from your childhood.
Fisherman's horizon is slightly above in diffculty but just as nice.
Also a solid recommendation.
God speed anon, I hope you have more fun than you expect. You deserve it.
shit i might go tune up my acoustic and try this out tonight
thanks, anon
It looks like an angry dick with 2 arms opening a curtain
He did nothing wrong.
Evil pussy can make simple boys do anything
What? Dude literally tried to destroy a city by dropping billions of monsters on top of it and tried to help a deranged clown demon impose a worldwide dystopian nightmare. Pretty sure it was also him that ordered the bombing of Trabia garden too (he was made head of Galbadia's military). Guy should've been fricking hanged but instead he just gets to chill and fish at the end of the game.
He got the ending I wished Songi from Legaia should have gotten still pissed off to this day.
songi got what he deserved, he was a murderhobo even before ra seru
He only killed when he got it though and it fricked with his mind the more he used it.
He did nothing anyway. He had little to no relevance.
>kidnaps a president
>becomes the second in command of the most powerful entity known to man
>is made general of the entire Galbadian army
>commands the Lunactic Pandora, a judgement-day level weapon
>"did nothing"
Don't forget he one shotted Odin.
It made no sense to me why anyone in Galbaldia continued to listen to him after the president died and Edea fricked off.
>gets told like 5 words about Lunatic Pandora and somehow finds it below the ocean
You've not played this game in over a decade and it shows
Why didn't Galbadia just ask, hey, can we come take a look at your radio tower? We might be able to fix it. Also how to you advertise that a live event is about to happen to people that haven't seen live TV in 17 years?
Radio, newspaper, posters.
>Also how to you advertise that a live event is about to happen to people that haven't seen live TV in 17 years?
HD cables. They do have TV, it's just not been transmitted over the air in that many years because of Adel's intereference.
>spends 17 years shitposting over radio waves 24/7
/our guy/?
/Ourgirl/*
I know it's an (obscure) lore point that a sorceress without a knight/husbando slowly turns more and more monstrous looking, but how in the FRICK is Adell so masculine?
It's been 17 years anon it's too be expected.
>Inviting a foreign military into your country
Dollet was a democracy, good luck winning the next election.
>silly prison escape
>suddenly have to stop a targeted missile strike
>battle between gardens
Disc 2 was absolute kino
Looks like a pen0r
If FF8 gets remastered I will jerk off to Selphie's bare thighs
It did get remastered! 🙂
Has anyone figured out what the frick this is?
An upside-down garden.
>Garden of Eden
A woman's torso with wings, her legs fused into a wienerpit looking thing, and a Garden as her head.
I'm more curious on what is this thing supposed to be
Pandemonium
Probably based on that japanese demon/creature/thing that has a bag of wind. I swear i've seen it in other japanese games.
Read The Odyssey, that's a thing in western myth too.
This is the worst artstyle known to man. Didn't even give Squall his scar.
Matt Mercer looking ass
>Country spends years in a war against a sorceress, with all the propaganda and war material building up civilians against them.
>The war against Adel and Esthar is called "The second sorceress war", so they've had multiple wars against sorceresses.
>A decade later their president welcomes a sorceress into his cabinet.
>She kills him on stage with hundreds of thousands watching.
>She faces no backlash, and in fact seizes control of the country.
At BARE minimum there should have been a huge military coup, completely throwing the country in chaos.
The crowd cheer throughout the speech and show absolutely no reaction to the news, but then when Squall jumps from the tower it appears that soldiers are basically doing riot control. It's a bit unclear wtf is going on.
>The crowd cheer throughout the speech and show absolutely no reaction to the news
Maybe it was just me but I always interpreted that as them sounding shocked.
Maybe, but their animations show them jumping around the cheering anyway. Probably just a limitation of the engine. Also, this happens *before* she gets on the float and does a full circle of the city and the crowd doesn't even flee or disperse. It's just another one of the weird off-key moments that make me love this game.
>Before the assassination attempt takes place, Edea/Ultimecia uses her acceptance speech as a means to seize control of the government, and murders Deling by impaling him with her hand. No one seems to react to Deling's death or retaliate against her for it. The Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania reveals Edea/Ultimecia has enchanted the surrounding crowds with a spell.[1]
Bullshit reason, but I guess it's the best you got to explain how an entire city sat back and watched a parade after seeing someone get murdered.
>The Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania reveals Edea/Ultimecia has enchanted the surrounding crowds with a spell.[1]
I have to admit, I did wonder if that was the case (especially because she has Rinoa next to her, who is swaying and clearly under some kind of spell), but there was no reference to it actually happening. I guess it's better than nothing. Weird, then, that you pretty much walk up and stab her in the face 5 minutes later.
I swear this was mentioned in the game, but I guess not?
No the original cutscene is all we had before Ultimania.
I always assumed that to be the case, but thinking about now it is kinda weird it was never acknowledged by anyone else.
ffviii lore threads are among my favorite
They're comfy and we're all discussing something we like. It's one of my few reasons to come back.
SeeD.
SneeD
Btw, I am playing the Remaster with McIndus' mods and it looks and plays amazingly well, but they actually removed a ton of the more autistic achievements. No cheevo any more for keeping Squall at minimum level, or even for collecting all the cards. It's pretty much obtaining all GFs and then random relatively easy stuff like completing the Pupu side quest, getting all Timber Maniacs, etc.
Why did this photo remind me of the owl from Ocarina of Time, that turns its head upside down.
Doesn’t matter Uncle Ben, Selphie is better than both of em
I would agree with this image if you swap Tifa with Aerith.
>Tifa
>-Giant breasts
Tifa is wins.
brainless
>unresolved plot thread
>is out there somewhere and is still a threat, but is never dealt with again
homie have you ever seen a threatening moomba?
I've never seen a moomba again after FFVIII.
Where do GF's fit into all this lore with Hyne?
Are they just powerful monsters who cooperate with humans and grant them magic?
They don't.
There's basically nothing explaining why the world, not the nations but the world itself, is the way it is in FF8. Even the Hyne myth, assuming it's true, only explains where humans and sorceresses come from, not monsters or why they're on the moon or the mechanics of anything.
What a shame, but that's kind of the general theme of this thread I guess.
My personal schizo theory is that at some point during development, Ultimecia(Artemisia) was even more heavily associated with the moon(notice how during a few animated cutscenes focus on the moon like the Dollet invasion one) and that her castle was actually there. Ragnarok would be used to reach it, and Ultimecia would use the lunar cry to send monsters from there. Obviously I could be wrong, but its just weird to me how many things are named after the moon or lunatic concepts.
Dr. Odine discovered junctioning, so GFs are only a recent history kind of thing, only a decade or so old in VIII.
GFs are most likely powerful monsters, as Ifrit, Diablos, and Doom Train are bosses. I doubt they willingly help humans, Ifrit seemed angry that you "captured" Shiva.
It can be inferred Sorceresses have GFs, a much powerful version. Ultimecia's Griever is probably the only true GF you see in the game.
Where the player's GFs only protect them for a short while and cast a single spell. Griever is able to stay out on the battlefield for a long time dealing all sorts of attacks. Junctioning for players is only stat boosts, junctioning for Ultimecia is transforming her entire body into something more powerful.
Maybe it's also possible the bosses in Ultimecia's castle are also GFs fully controlled by Ultimicia? I think Tiamat is said to be one at least.
Ultimecia used magic to create Griever based on Squall's mental perception of a strong creature that protects him, she basically made a guardian for herself. It's not a natural part of her nature as a sorceress as anything, it's probably more similar to how she turned those gargoyles into living things, an expression of power rather than of her nature.
fan-fiction.
Griever is a GF, she junctions with it.
>The actual lore in the Ultimania is fan-fiction
bean piss
Everyone talking about the scene with Cid and the betrayal thing, but does the game ever mention what happened to NORG after he cocooned and then hatched and disappeared?
>2024
>that kid still pretending ff8 isnt dogshit
All I want in an FF8 remake is for a more accurate translation for Squall.
>whatever
>whatever
>whatever
Honestly it's worth the couple years it takes to learn enough Japanese to play them in their original language and not have to deal with localization.
You're REplaying the games anyway, so you already have a shitload of context from which you can understand the words you don't know yet.
>rebuy game
>suddenly threads about it on Ganker
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SAY THE WORD BOSS!
>When visiting Fishermans Horizon for the first time, the human boatman on Drunkman Alley wonders what NORG will evolve into, confusing Squall.
WHAT!
Fisherman's Horizon are the ancient Centra race, right? They know how to work the Garden's ancient flying controls, the mayor has airship blueprints, and now I figure out they're aware of Shumi evolution. Maybe they've taken a non-combative due to past sins? I'm not having crazy head canon here, am I?
Look up the master fisherman side quest on YouTube. It explains all of this in detail.
The Centra aren't the Cetra, they're not ancient. They ruled the entire world for most of history and only got nuked like a century or so ago. The only reason they seem so mysterious is because the core of their empire, the Central Continent, basically became a crater, the Eastern Continent which has managed to keep itself together politically and technologically doesn't get properly explored in the game because of cut content, and the Western Continent broke apart into dozens of micronations who warred with each other and lost like half of their technology and history until Galbadia rose up from this mess and started unifying it all into a functional state 20 years ago. The North/Trabia Continent is/was a backwater that's also unexplored because of cut content and while we do explore Balamb Island properly it also is/was a backwater during the Centra Empire.
>A Shumi's life cycle depends on their personality, which determines their ultimate appearance. One Shumi even desires to evolve into a human.
>The most common final form of the Shumi is the Moomba; while this form is highly respected, it is still considered a failure to some extent, as the most prized transformation is that of an Elder.
>NORG is apparently an Elder, despite his distinctly abnormal personality and behavior; his deformed face might reflect this.
>Shumi are generally peaceful and kind, with NORG being a notable exception.
>NORG's life cycle was apparently incomplete, as he turns into a cocoon after his boss fight. If his boss room is revisited later, it is occupied by some Shumi who apologize for NORG's behavior. Notably, the cocoon is now broken. It is never explained what happened to NORG.
God I hate NORG. He's where I stopped giving a single frick about the plot.
NOGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
unlocks many locks
I'M A LION PIZZA CHICKEN
fricking Squall and his father Laguna at the same time
What did Kojima mean by this?
Disc 2 is fricking KINO
>Makes Edea the easiest boss fight
Beautiful world.
>t.Cid
oh god that place
>big bro!
When I was younger I thought it was a requirement to clear that maze and I suck at them badly.
Cloud was larping as a chad though remember "Let's mosey"?
Be honest, Ganker
Did you solve the puzzle here, or did you have Zell brute-force it for you?
8 is the only game that makes me feel dumb when I mess up the puzzles.
Where is this?
Crash site of the escape pod after the moon scenario. It doesn't show on the map as anything special, you just walk to a random spot on Esthar and you're there. Can do some card related stuff here. (There might also be a hidden draw point, I don't remember). It's a rather bizarre and pointless detail but it's there.
Y'all ever think about how much more of a Chad Cloud is than Squall?
God I miss Final Fantasy.
What is mistwalker doing now? Anychance for a FF like game in the future?
>What is mistwalker doing now?
They work with Apple to make iPhone games. Fantasian is... okay. Sakaguchi is pretty much in semi-retirement mode, putting in the bare minimum work. He's even stated it in interviews.
Kitase said that if FFVIII was to have a remake it should be done by younger people.
Well I wouldn't want SquEnix to do it anyway
I only played that 1st mobile game they made where you moved your tile people through others to make them move further? Eh I don't really recall much about it
>still no mod that un-nomuras squall in the remaster
>Not playing the original PC version with mods
>Not playing the original as intended.
You hate FF.
Nomura's philosophy has changed so much that I forgot he worked on older titles.
>standby for beam cannon
I was so filtered by this boss
Same on my first playthrough. Sent all my weakest party members to the missile base, which didn't help.
For me it was because I always reached the last phase of his boss fight where he starts to spam 800 damage beams
Fujin is best girl, Norg did nothing wrong, and Rinoa ruined the game.
>Rinoa ruined the game
t. Quistis
Fun fact Nomura lived by a beach
Final Fantasy VIII is the Final Fantasy for Artists.
Accordingly, it is the Greatest Final Fantasy and held the title of Greatest RPG and Greatest Game for a long stretch of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII#Reception
Correct.
>People brought it even back in 2003
Damn and I am meant to believe this game was "hated"?
that scene reminded me of that cat at a resturant table with the woman yelling at it, only with Cid yelling at Norg as Edea (with long hair) looks in disdain. have you visited /vrpg/? there's some schizo who makes bizarre theories or threads about FFVIII. Irvine at one point want meant to be a Cid with the goggles instead of a cowboy hat. i have a lot of screen captures from playing it the past year until Halloween where Irvine blitzkrieg the hell out of Ultimecia with Ammo. I honestly think an SoP game with Laguna would be great. did you ever defeat the machine in the dollet raid? lots of interesting changes later on ingame. also need to webM some files i have saved.
>there's some schizo who makes bizarre theories or threads about FFVIII. Irvine at one point want meant to be a Cid with the goggles instead of a cowboy hat
I have never heard this before.
is it me or was the moon always creepingly close?
https://arch.b4k.co/vrpg/thread/3021552/#3045586
one of the threads. someone else did a ffix x chrono cross comparison.
Thanks.
Some anon in this thread had a theory about it
No it was definitely on purpose since monsters came from there and shit
i want to strangle that schizo bigger homosexual he ruined any and all chance of discussing FF8 there
what's her problem with Seed? also the sidequests with the Seed students in the cafeteria can graduate if you revisit them numerous times, or the little boy stops playing card games at BG if you didn't help the three characters in the training room once BG is being raided.
>what's her problem with Seed?
They are preventing her from getting Adel's body.
There was a prophecy that SeeD would kill her. She grew up as an orphan being abused and hunted for being a Sorceress, which other than making her bitter and hateful, has given her a pathological obsession with safety, so she went through any means possible to ensure nobody could ever hurt her. Time Compression would basically make it impossible. Of course the irony is that in seeking to prevent her death, she not only ensured it was carried out, but also became the sort of monster in the past that inspired people to hate Sorceresses so much when she was a child and abuse her, turning her into a monster and... time loop etc.
you did every possible sidequest even if it wasn't rewarding in the end right? I forgot to get the Laguna card. I decided to ditch the 100 percent completion once I reached the castle. I had about 97 percent I think? also if you repay a visit to NPCs you've encountered, throughout the game they'll say something different like that one Galbadian soldier on the train where the failed assassination attempt took place is the same guy at Dollet when he's talking about taking his fiance to dinner.
Was Adel a female with the body of a man? also pisses me off i couldn't screencap or record some scenes in the game due to spoilers, which is a load of road apples.
You literally can't be a male sorceress she was just abusinb sorceress roids I guess. Look how freaky all the extra sorceresses in Ultimecia's castle were, it must mutate you.
It's lore from the Ultimania that a Sorceress without a Knight eventually becomes monstrous, basically loses touch with her humanity. I dunno if it's why Adel roided up, but it's definitely why those Sorceresses (and Ultimecia to a lesser extent) have inhuman traits, while non-possessed Edea and Rinoa both look completely fine.
Ultimecia is Rinoa and Squalls descendant from a future where she couldn't get her own knight.
Deboonked
He retracted his statement
Proof
did FF Mobius expand Ultimecia's backstory?
>the shimu tribe can evolve into what NORG became if they're selfish or be aloof like the Moomba's.
Quistis mentioned that Norg showed his hands with no issues while the Elder hid his until the end.
>trabia garden was theorized to be a garden hidden in the clouds.
>ultimecia castle was clouded in time and space.
pretty interesting. also squall and seifer were originally meant to be orphans at the lighthouse, but they decided to throw everyone in last minute.
Irvine fitted that storyline perfectly and it explains why he was so hesitant with shooting everyone else felt forced
it's funny how people on fisherman's horizon were suspicous of him.
You do see Trabia in the game, it's just in the shitty backwoods snow continent.
Too kino of a thread to die just yet