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>jrpg is a linear wienertease
stop the presses
Remindes me of that pic comparing open worlds and linear paths with prerendered backgrounds. of course it was jerking off the linear paths because the background was more "mysterious".
>linear game
>mysterious ruins are just a backdrop you can't reach
>open world
>mysterious ruins are something you can get to after traversing an empty plain for five minutes that contains three goblins and a chest with generic mats
Dunno what's worse
First is sometimes good, second is always bad.
Open world is obviously worse because once you get to the ruins and realize it's just a bunch of boring busy work all of the potential mystery and world building goes into the dumpster and they just turn into tasks for you to check off on your map.
Linear game, obviously, since it has less content.
this may come as a shocker but once upon a time when there was a town or a castle in a FF game, it was a location you could actually explore.
until it became 3d
and hell, even in 2d you couldn't REALLY go anywhere until you were high enough level to tackle or consistently run from monsters, lest ye die from them easily
>until it became 3d
no, all of them. previous FF didn't wienertease you with a cool city or castle and the never let you actually properly visit that location. The only thing I can think of is Tenebrae in FFXV except with FFXVI they do that for basically all major cities.
Are we going to pretend XIII wasnt literally the game that started this
FFX started this trend
>open in a massive city but get faked out before you get to explore any of it
>later on, that city where you run into principal skinner, but only get to see the sewers
>the game that killed off the overworld
only zoomers say FFX was the peak of the series
sloppa
Unironically VIII did this first with Trabia, the city gets wiped off the map off screen in a Laguna flashback and you never even get the chance to see the garden before it's just a cemetery with a basketball court outside
What? We already have 2 functioning gardens, Trabia gives us a ruined one. It's good for variety.
Bravely Default scaled it back and was fantastic. Its sequels are crap however.
12 translated FF towns into 3D really well
Yea you couldn’t just walk directly anywhere, what kind of zoomie complaint is that? He wasn’t even talking about that anyway, he meant there were castles and towns to poke around in and shit like FF8 was 90% poking around towns and that was a 3D entry. Dragons Dogma features exportable locales visible far in the distance, it’s a thing, theres been plenty of it. devs got lazy as frick.
I dont mind the level based worlds rather than an actual open world. Too bad FFXVIs level based world was super lame though.
i bet this sounded satirical and biting in your head
Reminder FF15 became way better when you got past the open world bullshit and game became linear towards the end.
Except it tanks after the Leviathan fight. Best part of 15 is chilling with the bros.
nah everyone praises the open world part more and also ep ardyn and ignis and prompto had their own open sections too which were more praised than the linear parts of the dlcs
People are for some reason still fascinated by open world even though there's NEVER enough content to meaningfully fill it all with something.
15's world is pretty barren, quests are literally ripped off from mmos, you car breaks down for no reason, oh wait, the reason is, so you have to to run around killing mobs, like an mmo
>literally ripped off from mmos
but enough about ff16's ff14-tier-fetchquests
When was it ever this way though? Usually the empty space was the surrounding world while you moved setpiece to setpiece.
but there's a road leading to it.
xvi's environments and exploration or lack thereof killed the game for me
For me it was the assload of mandatory fetch quests just like 14. Yoshit is a hack
barry won
Its the near total lack of RPG elements in general and a party
13 is still remembered more than 15 is, barry lost bigly
No it isn't
That area is in the game though
and the final dungeon was already in the game
royal edition just expanded the optional areas of the final dungeon and only added 1 more mandatory extra section which just leads to exactly where the vanilla versus starts you at
>barry still can't read
more people think and talk about 13 and its characters than 15
>lightning was put in as costumes and cameos in nearly every square game at the time and several after
>15's only notable thing is the car being a mount in 14
>more people think and talk about 13 and its characters than 15
really not a good look comparing 2 turds
No they don't
XV has more porn, fanart, fanfic, cosplay, sales and memes
nobody ever talks about ff13 other than people pointing out its the only ff you can't play on ps5
Also noctis was literally in ff14 too you moron, and in Dissidia like lighting was too and actually loved in Dissidia unlike lightning where everyone hates that she was front and center of 012, and is in tekken unlike lightning
lightning isn't in any non square enix game
Both are in FFRK, FFBE, WoFF, Dissidia, Dissidia OO, Puzzles and dragons, itadaki street
noct is also in terra wars, tekken, alchemist code, noct and crew outfits in gran saga, xv cast in minecraft, xv character outfits in blue reflection, regalia also in forza
keep coping
I ain't reading all that shit but I agree than FF13 won based on the porn.
there isnt any good ff13 porn
even the pity porn lazypro made of ff13 is worse than his ff15 porn
Why the lie barry? Why lie about something you can disprove in literally 10 seconds
moron a bunch of that ff13 listing are reposts of the same thing dozens of time or someone uploading individual pages of a doujin for some reason, not new stuff
The ff with the most porns
ff14
ff7
ff10
ff15
The ff with the most fanfic
ff7
ff15
ff14
the ff with the most sales
ff7
ff10
ff15
>coping this hard
You were literally btfo here
forgot pic
>games needs major dlcs to even come close to ff13 lmao
also, dishonest modern urnalists
ff13 needed 2 games and has multiple dlc which aren't even on par with 1 xv dlc
Isn't that what you westerners like? Do you want a party in Dead Space? RPG elements in Resident Evil?
>Isn't that what you westerners like? Do you want a party in Dead Space? RPG elements in Resident Evil?
No, Yoshi you got it all wrong you are a moron.
What we like was what Final Fantasy IS KNOWN FOR
You wont win trying to get the Devil May Cry audience or the First Person Shooter audience you are absolutely moronic. Get a fricking grip.
Pro tip: just make a fricking tactics game, steal Baldurs Gate 3 movement mechanics if you want, I can write the story for free I'm better at writing that whoever was the moron in charge of FF16's plot.
13 is sadly just a movie game, 13-2 is a waste of time lore wise. Lightning Returns is the only good game. 15 was better that is just the truth.
The thing is, what final fantasy is "known for" is just ripping off dragon quest. Once they beat dragon quest they started ripping off western games instead.
Seriously, read some developer interviews, it was all about beating dragon quest at their own game prior to FF7.
>Seriously, read some developer interviews, it was all about beating dragon quest at their own game prior to FF7.
Ok then its now about beating Baldurs Gays. Not Devil May Cry.
How about that.
You think they cant do it?
Its simple: remove homosexualy, no more ESG pandering, woke shit, etc, introduce all the job classes back, bring elements back, full customization any character can be any role but also they have a default freelancer role like FF5, level up stat distribution decided by the player (like dark souls level ups), bring back parties of 8 characters, 4 at the main party, 4 are benched, bring back Lightning (I can write her in I have a head canon because she is a time/dimension traveler anyway, you can easily make a side ace type of character with her looks, personality but another name & no memories)
>You think they cant do it?
Absolutely they cannot do it lmao
15 is a mistake and the closest to a movie game the series has gotten
How to make a female protagonist 101 by Square Enix:
>Pick Cloud
>Make female
Nomura made her.
You mean Toriyama
I thought you guys hated openworld. Make up your mind.
Who is "you guys"?
the shit-guzzling ledditors that infest this board with their tryhard opinions
Bad design to show something cool and never let you go there, nevertheless in todays gaming landscape.
they can't keep getting away with it
See this city? You cant go there but its actually in the game file
But you can, it's in the Ardyn DLC
Not really, You can only wander around a bit but the area you can't go is much bigger than that. It's almost half size as PS2 gta map
...why would they do all of this work?
>all of this work
the modern 3D workflow consists of downloading a model of a city, importing it to your game engine, then clicking the button that automatically generates hitboxes for the buildings
because modern game dev's do ZERO work
you think someone at Squeenix actually modeled and textured this water tower? WRONG they copy pasted it from some database. that building in the background? copy pasted
You know the game is made in-house engine, right? It's not like UE4 where they can just grab assets from somewhere and copy paste it
>It's not like UE4 where they can just grab assets from somewhere and copy paste it
they most definitely can, lots of assets come in different file types. I'm sure there is a compatible file type they can import to their engine
>It's not like UE4 where they can just grab assets from somewhere and copy paste it
bro...
>It's not like UE4 where they can just grab assets from somewhere and copy paste it
fricking morons like you should be banned from posting here
you're the reason I disregard literally every single opinion I read here
and if by any reason my opinion happens to match to the one im reading i begin to seriously question myself about it until i reach a verdict
I can use my gpu to rebuild any 3D model from any game and import it into a 3D-printable file, I'm sure they can do the same across engines.
you don't even know what an engine is so i'll explain to you
There's the food and there's the kitchen
The engine is the kitchen
The food is the GAME you make in the kitchen
Furthermore what are you trying to imply is that an ingredient cannot be used in any other kitchen other than the one you think it can
Any ingredients can be used in that kitchen if they're brought onboard.
Ingredients = assets
Kitchen = engine
food = game
cue the social media post about them specifically finding a big rock to model into the game
thats called photogrammetry which they literally turn into an original asset
they did model and texture it
Thats the luminous engine though. They probably DID model that.
why does every game need its own unique water tower model
creating unique assets is what gives a game its soul. whether it's sprites or models. there's so much room for artistic expression
I would like to take this argument one step further.
The only reason they set this as a modern-day city is because of all the pre-made assets they could copy for it.
>The only reason they set this as a modern-day city is because of all the pre-made assets they could copy for it.
The game started development back during the PS2 era, and was targeting the PS3. Modern game workflows did not exist back then, or were in a much more limited state, and especially Japanese companies were far, far behind the west when it came to updating their workflows to the modern era. They'd just come from the PS1/PS2 era mentality where all their development tools were internally developed, and they continued on into the PS3 era with that same mentality.
I guarantee all of this was made with this game specifically in mind and nothing was reused from anything else, and nothing was bought from a 3D library.
I also guarantee they threw all of it away and it was never used in anything lmao.
It was eventually kept for 15 proper though. Some guy even got it to work in UE4 and added Heartless to the aquarium for KH3 mods. But yeah it sits there.
Do you think the Nitroplus style vision Nomura had of Versus 13 would have been successful btw? 16 is a very similar game with commentary and dark themes, I can't help but think the first Versus 13 game would pull similar numbers. There's a KH2 guy on battle system design too...
>16 is a very similar game
Stop reading there, Versus13 was never meant to be dark or mature, it's just another anime cringe like FF7 that pandering to shonen audience just like KH
based esl moron asking for stellafats public execution
Lmao cope Matsunohater
Versus was meant to stand with the greats like Vagrant Story and Tactics
nothing in it was premade
they are all pbr based which they made from scratch
unused content for final fantasy versus 13
what should have been, instead of a gay bromance gayme
because FF15 was notorious for being in development hell. When the fricking demo came out and they devs ACTUALLY changed the battle system based on feedback, we knew that shit would be a mess
Because FFXV's development was an unmitigated clusterfrick and years of work were scrapped and restarted from scratch at least three times.
This is part of the reason why there was so much hype for 15, the real time combat, massive cities and a giant map. People saw and believed all that was going to be a reality. PS5 can easily do it but 16 still pushed the linear push through towns that feel like copypasted mmo settlements.
I've yet to play FF15 and I'm surprised that nobody seems to like it. It seemed so promising, how could they frick it up?
At least some people seem to like FF16. Though not to the point to playing a DLC for it. Strange, that.
Because 15 had nearly 10 years of hype and came out as a wet fart
its combat and magic systems are a straight downgrade from any FF before it
the open world is barren and empty
the cast is one of the most bland and forgettable in the franchise
characters just leave and theres no reason given unless you buy the 6 story DLCs to get the complete game, and even then the game's true ending was cut and turned into a book because the DLC was so bad no one bought them
It was a massive wasted potential. More than anything SE has ever done
Let's just leave it at that before we summon Stellagay back to Ganker
>Stellagay
I keep hearing about this guy, who is he?
a troon that hates barry, I rather be on the side of barry 100% after knowing this
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/660910406/#660917434
Barry is the bikini schizo though who had they/them in his profile
proof?
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/text/Bikini%20kishida/
Now that you mention it they really sound too similar and they never appear at the same time.
Not to mention barry is a nintendo lover and he keeps sparing fire emblem (despite engage censorshipt) from this shitposting
>i support the based troon cus he thinks like me!
Kek. Definitely republican.
The guy who keeps clinging to Nomura's game, especially Versus13. Once he starts spamming shit he never stops
and he is an ugly looking coomer gremlin looking troony, he even has those coomer eyebags that he doesnt sleep because he has to jack off 6 times a day to furry futanari porn on rule 34, i bet you he even has cp saved on his harddrive he looks like the type
I dunno. Stellagay seems more like a male fujo to me. He reads Clamp manga.
he is literally a troony
Lunagay is Stellagay?
he uses stellanoxeclair as name or some shit like that so yes, very likely they are the same homie. he is weird as frick and gives me the creeps, all troons are like this and they always have the he-man haircut which looks straight up moronic with their male bone structure, whatever troons being dumb asf what else is new, i bet he aint even going to celebrate christmas this 24-25 he is too weird to be around his fricking family.
I've seen Stellagay's Twitter account once stumbling across the Nova Crystallia replies once. It's not StellaNoxEclair, but painfully obviously him.
I mean its in the fricking name dude...
>pic rel
He has this phenotype but as a troon
Stellagay's Twitter account and StellaNoxEclair isn't the same.
I could've sworn seeing him in Dreamboum's replies a bit ago
doubt it
Oh that's not him. Stellagay has a very... idiosyncratic writing style. He's older than StellaNoxEclair, I think she's 23-25 ish.
>she
found the libcuck or you might be literally who we talking about
I used to have really good arguments I used while trolling the frick out of XV-kun before he was known as that, I was like the original baiter enjoying that sperg.
Versus was pretty interesting, shame.
>how could they frick it up?
they fricked up Kingdom Hearts 3 too, somehow.
more people like 15 than 16 or 14 or 13 and it sold better than any ff in the same timespan from launch
combat is an upgrade over any ff
it actual has a world to explore unlike the literal empty world maps of oldrr ff
it has the best written cast in the franchise
>character just leave
like literally every frick ff
>true ending
is in the base game at launch, this isn't ff7 or 10 or 11 or 12 or 13 or 14 or 16 or 7r which has no ending in base game and requires outside material or sequel shit to get the "ending" or continuations of the story which is still unfinished in most of their cases
there is literally no difference to promptly getting split from the crew and getting reunited a chapter later with some changes that he explains and ch13 hints towards through all the research notes than rydia getting split from the crew and reuniting now as a fricking adult just because for some reason time works differently and she somehow made it to the summon realm when split away
its the best selling ff for a reason
>more people like 15 than 16 or 14 or 13
this isn't nearly the compliment you think it is
XV is more beloved than any ff which is why it keeps outpaced the sales of every ff
>XV is more beloved than any ff
noctis is so generic looking I struggled to realize 15 was on the bottom right, lol
ff12 is trash thoughbeit
I dont care about reviews but ff12 is decent
despite the mmo type of combat
It has the best world building and the best voice acting in the series, they had to frick it up with the plot about the occuria though, its so silly it would have been x10,000 better if it was just kingdom vs empire and all that shit. Gabranth was really well written one of the best written characters in all of final fantasy, extremely underrated guilt tripped self-hating motherfricker.
FF12 would've been good if it wasn't a blatantly unfinished game. About halfway through, the game stunningly runs out of budget and has basically no cutscenes and makes you trek through over half the entire world map before doing a lackluster limp dicked finale and rolling credits.
The massive rift in quality is honestly amazing.
FF12 is perfect and better than 15
Yes
generic is ff16
Why'd you leave ff16 out and the review count out?
>Why'd you leave ff16 out
the point of the picture was to show all the games with higher fan reception than FF15, are you moronic?
Why did you post a DLC with a lower score than FF7?
Why'd you ignore the ignis dlc has higher score than ff8, 9, 10 and 12? Are you coping?
so FF7 is the most beloved FF
Hello, Barry!
>barry is so broken that the only think he has left to post with the PSN user reviews
>combat is an upgrade over any ff
Toppest of keks
>final boss of 15 has less player interaction than the NES games
lmao
>hes actually holding 2 buttons.
hold O to to win eyepatchwolfe webm spammers btfo.
Didn't even use the magic fortnite grenades. This is suboptimal you disingenuous frick.
sbk91 on suicide watch
cringe remake but still better than 15 and 16
>More button presses in first 10 seconds of this than the entire 1:38 ardyn fight (at 2x speed)
Ohnononono AHAHAHAHA
its literally one button press the entry battle there you blind moron
you hold down input and it automata inputs to what the cursor selects
only one button is held that entire clip
good job proving you never played any ff
this is what holding against ardyn results in
oh you fricking die
nope
cope
>hes so shit at games he can't even beat a boss you can kill by pressing 5 buttons
“Sasuke did we clear KH3?”
“No, Naruto that was Re:Coded”
kh3 flopped
15 is the best one
its why it keeps selling and won more awards than any ff before it and has higher average fan reception than most ff
merry christmas barry
or kwanzaa whatever you abos celebrate
I replayed XV right after XVI, combat is terrible
in 16 yeah combat is terrible
seethe HKmoron
>more people like 15 than 16 or 14 or 13
fujo's like spending money.
>Using PSN user reviews
>FF15 is literally given out for free for PSN+ users
No it isn't
the dlc intake either
ff7r is
literally every other ff is too
I like XV. Especially in the first 10-20 hours. The main open world is pretty empty I guess but I really liked the roadtrip vibe they really nailed. The characters dont make much of any sense in the story but theyre memorable and kind of likable. Same with the bros.
The main 2 reasons everyone shits on it is mainly because of how badly it gets towards the end. Its a very steep quality drop off and it never really picks itself back up again. Certain parts feel like the whole 10 years was spent on it and other parts feel like they didnt even spend a week. The other big reason is Barry, or XV-kun, who was/is a user here that would go off on literally insane rants in every single FF forum to a point where everyone either emulated him to be a troll or countered way too hard that XV is wholly terrible. Either way, its pretty much impossible to have a civil discussion on Ganker in the first place, but especially hard to discuss FFXV.
Thank you lore master
>15,16, and Kh3 are all dog shit
Weird not a single part felt polished let alone like if they 'spent 10 years on it'.
Theyve been fricking games up ever since the merge.
It’s was very disappointing
You're listening to whining idiots on the internet. Most people like XV, literally go to any place that has reviews and they will be majority positive. Even for the base game.
>Even for the base game.
revisionism. everyone shat on it at launch because it was hyped for years and released unfinished
>everyone shat on it at launch because it was hyped for years and released unfinished
And it was probably the loudest shitting in gaming yet because of that eternity of hype back when people weren't yet completely dismissive of Square. FFXV's launch was kind of like the first cyberpunk.
>inb4 muh sales
Sure, its sales are why so many people can explain to you why its shit and their disappointment with the game. It could have sold 20 million and still not covered that completely fricked dev cycle. So all they really accomplished was shoving more people's noses in their shit than usual. Looks like people remember it too, Square isn't doing so hot.
Frick man. I watched a Versus 13 trailer again and I got depressed over what we lost
https://www.youtube.com/live/JeOCvUnQ_kc?feature=share&t=9453
?t=1046
?t=1025
?t=270
?t=12155
https://www.youtube.com/live/L9yJaDADW-k?feature=share&t=10696
?t=2607
?t=8608
?t=2048
?t=735
https://youtu.be/JIy9OcB7oJk?t=1157
https://youtu.be/XI-rLrT8-tI?t=3194
And oh look still the same on PC version too
https://youtu.be/F20fk7flXbE?t=761
https://youtu.be/1nVj8gMf-aA?t=823
https://youtu.be/IWEuby7LkRM?t=6251
https://youtu.be/caCUAVBlg_A?t=1507
Dumb fricking Nomuragay
Then why does it have higher average userscores than any ff and better sales in less timespan and more awards than any ff before it
...Is this what autism looks like?
have a nice day
Do you want me to go find a dozen instances of that glitch not happening to people like you just did? lol
Pretty much the ff cycle with every ff
Its a horrifying thing to witness. People's standards are being forced ever downward. There are zoomers unironically praising FFXIII. That game got frickin blasted with shit when it launched too.
Get the Royal Edition which includes DLCs and fixes, game is playable and not too bad now. I got it Day 1 and I regretted it because it sucked balls and since it was physical the store wouldn't get it back. I tried it again on later date with the DLCs (pirated of course, frick i ain't paying for something I regretted the first time) and it was way better experience. Nothing too mindblowing or memorable tbh... the only kino thing I recall was the Adamantoise battle.
The city was always intended to be the prologue/tutorial part since Versus13. I don't think they planned to let you explore much anyway. After the game was handed to Tabata he decided to remove the city prologue part entirely and by the time you go back there, the world is ruined. It's not even feel like the same city anymore
You can go there though it's literally the final area of the game that you explore
also that clip is a mod of the episode ardyn versions of insomnia backported to overwrite the main game ruined city version
>it's literally the final area of the DLC
FTFY
It's literally 95% of the ardyn dlc what are you talking about
that version of insomnia in that webm with the young party is modded over the ruined city version using the episode ardyn version of it
in that mod no enemies or combat appears because its just an environment mod but had to disable things to work
in base xv insomnia is still explorable more than literally any individual area of midgar in ff7r is explorable
>See this city? You cant go there but its actually in the game file
fricking lazy hacks.
Then again these are the same people THAT MADE THE FINAL DUNGEON A DLC
I still want Versus XIII.
Here you go bro
What you gonna get is a fantasy based on unreality owned by Disney
kys man ywnbaw
Nomura didnt know how to write that shit thats why it didnt work, grow the frick up
Versus XIII releasing as intended was the good timeline
we ended up on the bad one and Squenix never recovered
I'll not pretend FF7R wasn't the best FF I've played since 9.
You did get it, in KH3 🙂
>all that work
>the most boring possible concept design
i'm trying to think of ways to make it more boring
It's not the concept that bad, it's the execution
Still don’t understand why did the scrap the whole invasion, it looked so cool
Nomura wanted to make a play every 3 months
dude is gonna get back problems running like that
OH NO NO BARRY BROS
Already pointed out you can go there
cope xvitroon
?
god I cant wait for this shit to come on PC so I can actually play it at 4k 60 and not 720p 60 with FSR 1. fricking pathetic
>port begging
It's already confirmed coming to PC you moron
See that moon? You can go there.
>see that thing in Japanese
>you can't learn it
Seriously? They couldn't stop showing this city by the iconic mountain in trailers and you can't even go there?
>we want the elden ringo fanbase without putting in the work
yoshita and square are frauds
To be fair they were never given the resources for working hard.
SE clearly privileged FF VII Rebirth and gave it everything, Yoshida wanted the game to be on 2 disk and they refused, it's a miracle they were able to keep the Eikon fights because that too was supposed to be gone.
it's that true its deceiving marketing in a way
See these locations? You can go to all of them. There's no disappointment here.
An anon of culture
look at how small this map was, and we were so content. people need to take a step back and enjoy games that aren't 5000 miles wide
I am no longer 10 years old.
>look at how small this map was
there's a second map after and map are not 1:1 with their content you can have a huge amount with a lot of locations with little to do in them or few locations with a lot of shit
Im going to replay FF1 because it takes no time
Idgaf so is aerith you weird homosexuals cannot change anything
>FF7,8,9,10
>here is a huge overworld with unique characters and a good story and the gameplay is top tier
>FF after 10
>here is a walking simulator and press 2 buttons combat to win. also the story is forgettable and laughably bad
>the latter takes 3x more money and development time
At least Atlus hasn't got full moron and picked up where SquareSoft left off.
Atlus games don't have real overworlds either Metaphor is the closest you seem to be getting so far. Also FF top tier gameplay is lmao for me I like ATB but like bruh.
Atlus games and older FF games had levels or overworlds built from the ground up to be full of purpose. the developers would ask "why is this here? "why is it important?" "what characters or story do we put here?". This is how they made the games back then or Atlus still does.
FF games now have huge, empty, pointless overworlds where they spawn a few enemies every 2-3 minutes you run and the story and characters are laughably bad and forgettable. the geography is often so laughably bad or poorly thought out.
I mean fricking FF13, 15 and 15 don't even have fun stuff in them like the Gold Saucer from FF7 or FF9s many mini games and those two games did it on the PS1 20+ years ago.
>I don't like ATB combat
I prefer it if action combat is just press one button to swing sword combo, press one button to auto dodge everything and magic and summoning and other systems are just either pointless or cutscenes.
I've heard that Lightning Returns has funs tuff in it. But I never played it.
FF7 Remake is the only time I feel they got the action combat and the side content and mini games and stuff right. And that was just a reimagining of an area which you clear in the original game in 1-2 hours before the overworld.
I'm not just fanboying for FF7 remake either. FF7 remake has better combat than FF15 and FF16.
Well, we're getting 2 more of those so that's something to look forward to.
>10
>overworld
also 15 brought back world exploration that 10 literally removed
>5 brought back world exploration
yeah driving in a car over huge empty areas or walking for 30 minutes and its just copy pasted land is peak soul when i think of a well developed overworld or levels in a game.
>can visit bespoke optional dungeons you can just stumble upon and encounter strong enemies just by exploring, have an actual sense of travel and find rare weapons and gear out in the field, do minigames like fishing or pinball or camp quests and have a frickton of banter with the party
>meanwhile literally any other ff dead silence, nothing to do anywhere or anything to find or stumble upon, literally cannot do anything in the overworld which is nothing more than copy pasted land
Even 7R seems to take a lot of elements from XV even if they don't admit it. XV is definitely going in the right direction in that aspect even if the story and combat are a mess
>seamlessness from fields to dungeons to towns/outposts
>menus look more FFXV in style, in contrast to 7Rs menus being CG renders like FF13 and it being corridors like FF13
>Chocobos functions the same as in FFXV where you can climb up surfaces, glide and swim on them, and recolor them.
>The Buggy offroad car functions like the offroad Regalia Type-D in FFXV
>15gay trying to take credit for elements from crisis core
?
I mean I'm fine with this as long as they take what works. Lots of stuff was really innovative and cool in FFXV. Just not all together.
>10
10 is just as linear as 13
Even after all these years, I've never replayed X from start to finish. I liked it, but it was literally a corridor from the prologue to the epilogue.
and yet its somehow a tremendously better game in every conceivable way.
13-2 is one of the greatest RPGs ever made.
sad that redditor mouthbreathers like these homosexuals regurgitate opinions because they literally cannot think for themselves. let me guess you also like all kinds of music except rap and country and think anime is really le weird. have a nice day lol
>the game I grew up with
>deep and strategic and definitely couldn't have been beaten with attack command for 99% of encounters
>games I didn't grow up with
>one button ezpz gameplay thats totally braindead
I hate final fantasy fans like you wouldn't believe. people praise 9 when that shit has 30+ second load times and intros for fights in a game with random encounters AND its easy as shit like every other final fantasy.
Final Fantasy went to shit with 7 you mouth breathing moron.
>city
I want to spend 2 hours jumping to the top of that mountain so I can jump off the highest point then never play the game again
why don't you just do that but in real life
You know how much fricking work it is to climb a mountain?
You probably would like Genshin impact it has a lot of places like that
good. I hate pointless open world
you cant go anywhere in ff16
i remember prerelease the xvigays were like "durr they dhowed concept art of the city of course we'll get to explore it it will beat ff15!?"
then turns out not a single city is explorable or visitable, even 15 has cities you visit and explore
can't wait to actually play this.
The gameplay looks fun, unlike the one button shit that FFXV and Forspoken had
what's the deal with mentally ill xvi fans bringing up xv and flopspoken all the time?
shouldn't you be happy? No one thinks about flopspoken or xv at all unless its to laugh at them in comparison to other games
they're butthurt even forspoken has better action combat, rpg mechanics, traversal better villain and plot than ff16 and has more city exploration than ff16
Nobody thinks of ff16 at all unless its shitting on it or pointing out its worse than xv in every aspect
ff16 is literally the lowest selling FF in history
no that's ff16
you mean seething xvitroons malding every day over ff16 objectively being worse than every ff while you gays constant deflect to superior games like xv whenever anyone shat on 16
16 is shit, 15 is shit, forspoken is shit
KH2FM on the other hand? masterpiece
15 mogs kh2fm
>15 mogs kh2fm
HAHAHAHAHLMAOOOOO
His defense? The fricking 10-2 battle system guy made it. 10-2's battle system is mediocre, at best. It spawned the shittier Type-0 and Crisis Core battle systems after.
>what's the deal with mentally ill xvi fans bringing up xv
You're such a stupid Black person that it actually makes me mad. They're the same series. They're the same fans. Stop fricking picking a "side" and making a "war" for every little fricking thing. moronic fricking Black person ape, post your address so I can finger your eyes out of their sockets.
SBK91 on suicide watch
>
>autist is clearly pressing TWO buttons with R1+O on easy mode and wait mode and still gets hit taking damage while having wait mode on and using one of the strongest base game regular weapons in the game Durandal with elemental advantage against one of the weakest grunt mob enemies in the entire game while having a full 5 member party
Meanwhile
>xvi has no elemental affinities, no status effects, no party, no directional inputs, no manual finishers, no magic, no magic stat, no hit attributes, no pause attacks, no weapon switching, only 1 fricking attack string, it one button to win, has only like 20 unique enemy types which is less than any ff
>meanwhile xv and forspoken both mog 16 in every aspect there
no wonder ff16 bombed and tanked SEs stock and operating income and still hasn't profited
>SBK91
I checked the X profile of that homie and he is a cringe asf gremlin looking troon that you can tell he been shut in for 5 years straight up watching the sickest kind of porn possible and taking estrogen pills very likely.
Unironically Barry won, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
barry, scroll up, someone already posted the final boss of 15 getting killed in 5 button presses
SBK91 you were already killed
Wow you killed him with a single limit when he was already at 1/16 health, why don't you show the entire fight
Well then, I guess in the interest of fairness.
You wers literally btfo by
. Cope.
wow that's fricked.
Looks like something they'd call Mine Ass Tear Wrath with a straight face
>"what's the deal with mentally ill xvi fans bringing up xv and flopspoken all the time?"
>at least 4 daily XVI threads being made every day for months by seething XVgay
lol lmao
How can you unironically have worse score than XIII?
Like, to this day I'm in awe how much of a fricking disaster your game has to be to score lower than complete garbage like XIII.
Thank God company responsible for a joke like FFXV is in the fricking trash.
not that surprising tbh, I've been getting into ff's for a couple years now so i'm kinda new but ffxv is always brought in as the worst one, then it's xiii and the rest is either good or whatever, that's why i won't probably even touch this two kek
The worst game is Nomura's masterpiece Stranger of Paradise, but from mainline games XV and XIII are definately regarded as the worst.
Worse than II?!
Okay, I'm talking since like 6th since nobody even fricking remembers anything from older ff's
Fair enough. I've met several people who loved XIII on release and then grew to loathe it. I just hated it from the start. XI and XII too.
It's reskinned Nioh, it's far from being as bad as DoC or mystic quest
Thats fair, ignore the other guy and pirate SoP instead of buying it, Jack's game is edgy cringe kino
honestly it's not that expensive now during sale so i might just go just for the memes, but I saw that the gameplay isn't that bad in sop so maybe i will enjoy
>even fricking 13 rated higher than 15
jesus christ
You love to see it
that homosexual unironically thinks Jurnos are a good source of video game recommendations
Here I am being a straight shooter with you: dont bother with anything of FF13 except Lightning Returns. The previous games are movie games XIII-2 is a clusterfrick & extremely badly written. Its a game where you play as Future Trunks and you fight Purple Sephiroth, but Purple Sephiroth "killed" Lightning by taking advantage of revelation of the future that shows her sister Serah dying. Lightning gets demoralized and puts herself to sleep for 1k years until Lightning Returns begins.
>he thinks user reviews are worth anything when there is no requirement to prove you beat or even played a game
I rather take a review from a Final Fantasy fan seriously than a Jurno or some random casual homosexual into other types of games.
I rather listen to ProJared than you or journalists.
FF15 is a good introductory Final Fantasy for casuals ironically though. Its the game I would recommend to somebody that never played FF before. Not 10, not 5, not 3, or 1, or 12 much less so 13. I ain't a fan of 15 but it aint bad compared to many of the previous entries post 10's era.
>FF15 is a good introductory Final Fantasy for casuals ironically though. Its the game I would recommend to somebody that never played FF before
I mean I can see introducing someone to a series with the worst game, they can only go up from there if they decide to not drop it entirely
Except it mogged ff13
XV has an 85
ff13 has a 65
see
>barry has to take user scores only
>and has to include multiple versions with all the DLC to have any hope of looking decent next to base game 16
oh nononononononono
FF15 sold more than ff16 yes
I hate sales schizos in fricking jrpgs of all things
Then you cry when they make everything commercial
Ummm XVbros.. we're still better than Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: Curtain Call, right?
it's true! the ff13 trilogy has parries (perfectly timed SEN swaps, then timed guard activations in LR) but ff15 doesn't
see that item over there? it's 2 gil
Look, I respect FF15, but the combat takes that FF15 has better combat than 16 is making you look functionally insane. Noctis throws a different move even when you press the same button. Imagine Dante throwing random shit every time. Learn the game.
frankly, if my entire online personality was based around defending a single 7 year old game, I'd wrap it up and pick up a new hobby
you have spent over a decade defending ff14 so you should probably 41% already
ffxv critic score
83 on xb1
81 on ps4 (was 86 when scores went up)
85 on pc
average critic score 83
ff13 critic score
83 on on ps3
82 on 360
65 on pc
ff13 average critic score 76
That chart says gta5 only sold 2.49m so by your logic ffxv outsold gta5
moron
>barry is once again trying the cope that always fails when 14 mogs 15
xivsisters...
no thats every other ff
theres the image that shows barry doesn't understand math
It shows that ff14 has lower average fan reception than ff15
its really embarrassing for ff14
>fan reception
if you wanted me to post the fan poll results you could have just asked
>botted polls from xiv cultists
invalid
Show a single poll from 2019 or earlier with ff14 in the top 5 let alone top 10
>nonononononono its bots!!!!!!
cope
lmao
XIVtroon on suicide watch
>cropped all the date information
no wonder you tried to crop it so much
so xv made more revenue in less time than ff14? damn ff14 lost
and 14 sold more and has a higher score than 15
15 cucks also kneeling hard to the nier GODS according to this moronic site
FF14 keeps losing...
>his source is a site that claims neir automata outsold EVERY final fantasy game
>steam data
moron
ahh you're just coping then
>barry's silver bullet is a site that says FF7 only sold 1 million copies
>steam data
you moronic?
We know ff16 flopped
It looks better than any other ff
I remember that demo tralier. I wonder how much they downgraded the graphics to make the game run on PS4 hardware. Episode Duscae still looks better than anything I ever saw on PS5
I'm FFXV fan let's be honest the combat in this game is just holding a button
have a nice day already Dreamboum and stop pretending you've ever touched xv
by your fricking logic clive is doing random attacks because he has a different opening attack animation if are facing away from an enemy when initiating the attack or facing towards them
God I love being a remake chad
>5 million in 3 years
>2.5 million in 7
oh nonononononono barrysissies I thought 15 was the fastest selling game of all time?!!?!?
10 million in 7 years is still less than 20 million in 9
XV is 10 million in 5.5 years which is better than FF7s 10 million in 10 years or FF10s 10 million in 15 years
>posts chart with a bunch of fake numbers because a ff14gay doesnt know the wikis are bullshit
FF7 in 27 years is at 14.4m as of September 2023
not a single ff has sold over ff
xv is 3rd highest selling and #1 fastest selling FF
>and #1 fastest selling FF
this is an embarrassing stat to bring up and you know it.
What is an install base?
>installbase
FF7R had 110m ps4 installbase when it released and it only sold 3.5m at launch, 5m in 4 months and took 3 years to hit 7m after being ported to PS5 and pc
ff15 had 47m installbase of ps4 and did 4m day 1, and 50m ps4 installbase by January 2017 and did 5m on ps4, 6m including xb1 which only had 26m installbase, so xv launch installbase was lower than ff7r by a huge amount yet xv still outsold it on a much lower installbase
>barry's mental gymnastics trying to pretend the world doesn't conform to his headcanon
not in any individual year
also SE literally said xv hit 6m faster than any ff in history meaning it hit 6m faster than ff14 too meaning ff15 was more professional faster than ff14 and more profitable at launch
yoshitpisses PR lies aren't even true because mmo makes the least amount for SE and less than 1.5m people have even finished shadowbringers or endwalker
>barry mentally cannot handle that Square openly states 14 is the biggest earner in the series
They literally did not
yoshitpiss told pr spin while making shit up about 11 years accumulated
not what it actually makes in a given financial year where SE only factors profits in a quarterly or annual basis
XV made more profit at launch than FF14 did by simple virtue of XV selling 6m at launch and being profitable while FF14 only did 1.45m at launch and wasn't even profitable
>barry doesn't understand how profit works
barry
how come this isn't on any version FF15?
Supplementary material I just stumbled across.
real
Barry is always btfo'ing trannoids, thats why he is my friend.
this is the troon https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/660910406/#660917434
barry debates everyday and his goons
barry is the good guy of the story
He stumbled upon it dude
I rather have Barry as my ally than that disgusting troon he debates. Idgaf if he watched troony porn once, I seen worse shit in this website and people get out of that garbage after their post nut clarity.
>Developer: Square Enix
What happened to Luminous?
They are a wholly owned internal division of square enix that was merged into square enix creative business unit 2
You could have just said they died anon.
They didn't, they merged then to cbu2 same as team asano was merged into cbu2
the Luminous staff are still 1 aaa team still using luminous engine in cbu2
>What happened to Luminous?
they deserved it for being woke homosexuals who cares.
But you would think at least Square would take the decent parkour and movement in that game to reduce boring travel time in FF16 but they didnt do shit, thats how moronic FF16 is.
Lightning is a trans icon. Trannies love they/them.
They lost $100m and had their remaining product sent to a landfill. Funniest shit Ive ever seen.
Flopspoken lol
I strongly believe the dev did this one purpose to spite someone higher up in SE. There is no way you can make the game this bad and make the protag so unlikeable by accident
Tojos are notorious for trying to make westslop without actually including anyone from the west in the discussion and this is what they end up making so it appeals to no one from any culture.
Forspoken is literally better than XV in every way. It's not fair. Forspoken has actual magic instead of grenades. Better movement. Much harder and it requires more than a single button.
It's still not a great game, but you can tell XV killed their confidence in Luminous and gimped them severely.
>Much harder and it requires more than a single button
XV can be very challenge as well if you do no item run
They really should have limited the items you could bring for each fight, even Kingdom Hearts got this right in the very first entry
I have no idea what they were thinking letting you bring hundreds of curatives and letting you pop them without an action cost
They probably want the game to be as causal friendly as possible and also because they're too busy fixing the second half so no one points out this problem
True enough. I can't really fault them for wanting to keep things casual enough for non-action game players to get by, but it's a real shame there's no hard mode for action game enjoyers to really sink our teeth into.
Sure a self imposed challenge is nice... but when you need to put in your own work to give the game any sort of bite, well it's a bit sad.
Exactly. That's also how the game broke 10 million sales, because of the simpler combat system and simpler storytelling. If it had any semblance of depth it would have been written off as boring, convoluted and anime, so the CoDbros who Tabata thought of pandering to welcomed FF15 with open arms.
>I have no idea what they were thinking letting you bring hundreds of curatives and letting you pop them without an action cost
Pandering to casuals and women
yet xv with 99 potions is still more challenging than ff16 which has limited items
also dragons dogma has unlimited heals
It really is better and I'm flopspoken's #1 hater.
Uhh Barry bros... They're trying to make us choose between our 2 favorite games... What do?
Pick Forspoken. It at least has real magic.
FF15 easily. Never support woke trash.
Put me in team Flopspoken. Never played it but at least has hitstop unlike FF15.
Flopspoken. I'm never playing XV again.
unironically flopspoken. xv is the most boring forgettable piece of shit ive ever played and i would rather feel the cringe of flopspoken than nothing at all.
both are better than ff16
literally the beginning of the phase
cope
So only the last phase counts? Want me to re-render the webm and just have Ardyn dying to one button press then?
cope
at the first possible moment of player control in that phase you can instant win
because 7r is dogshit and caps damage in phases on 1 single bar instead of doing seperate health bars per phase
>because 7r is dogshit and caps damage in phases on 1 single bar
>instead of doing seperate health bars per phase
...like FF15?
no they didn't
they recouped that
they lost 2 billion from ff16 flopping
that was because of a mobile slop. SE publicly said the game was a success.
No it was because ff16 didn't profit from its own dev or advertising costs which tanked SEs operating income which pissed off investors which tanked SEs stock
And ff16 still didn't profit in Q2 either
it still hasnt profited
>net sales rise because of XVI
No they didnt
they did my guy. xvi did fine and won't have dlc cancelled.
xvi ps4 already got cancelled
HKmoron on suicide watch
moron that's little what google shows when you search steam ffxv
also sop has less than 1/20th the reviews ffxv has you moron
>this mad about jack's game btfoing xv by 2 points
At least you still have better reviews than World of Final Fantasy (except on Amazon) lmao
XV outsold sop by 20x over and has better reception
See
stay btfo
>siding with the brown troony to btfo the ~~*white*~~ troony
Very progressive of you anon
I hope now that FFXVI got absolutely BTFO by a turn based game those morons at square enix will stop with this nonsense that every modern RPG needs to just be a bad DMC game and just make a classic style FF again.
why
why are final fantasy 7 and 8 the only games to try to revolutionize the series?
I don't think there's a single ff game i haven't been able to play the whole way through besides maybe the phone gacha games.
>i have adhd
weird flex
Do you even know what that stands for?
Except you can - and do - go there.
Kind of. You dont walk in seamlessly. You walk in the fields outside of it, theres a cutscene, now your in the basement of the castle.
no you dont
its worse than xv combat in every aspect
HKmoron on suicide watch
Don’t get wrong, I think FF16 easily beats XV combat. But, it’s still leagues away from what KH3 did even before the 1.09 patch.
having better combat than XV isn't exactly a high bar to pass, pretty sure mystic quest has deeper combat mechanics than XV, it has better music though
XVI is good surface level combat. Youve got some basic moves and a block, and a dodge. Youve got some customization for 2 buttons and a semi tricky parry feature. But thats it. Theres really nothing to do with stats, you cant utilize other party members, theres no magic elemental damage, no buffs, no status ailments. Its a budget DMC with a fantasy paint job.
The elemental stuff would've been the most basic thing to add and it absolutely boggles my mind why it isn't included.
Also if you watch your party members they have fully fleshed out move kits with multiple special abilities so not being able to play as them or at least control them in some say just seems moronic.
The worst of all is even with the cool combat you have the game is so brain dead easy you never have to evolve beyond spamming your supers off cooldown and spamming your attack button.
As much as I enjoyed the actual story and boss fights i doubt it's going to be a game I'll ever go back often just because of how shallow it is.
gotta love these FF threads that are essentially "which modern FF game is the least like a piece of shit?"
>tfw enjoyed 13, 15 and 16 in spite of their respective shortcomings
Surely I’m not the only one here, right?
I do too, i just have a goot time in the settings they give me, fxiii was a lot harder to get into but it unironically gets better like 20 hours in but i understand why people might have dropped it before then.
>13
fun combat, bad everything else
>15
fun banter and party, bad everything else
>16
There is nothing fun about this one, unironically the worst FF beating out even 13 and 15.
I recently started playing stranger of paradise, I like that you can change jobs and all but the whole game is just a tube, what a waste of money.
What do you mean by a tube?
there's no exploration like in most final fantasy, it's via missions and you just advance in one direction until you reach the end and usually there's a boss and that's it.
You probably should've looked up what the game was before buying it.
yeah, I expected a final fantasy and got something else in the end, I have learned my lesson.
What do you actually do in any of the cities?
Please I beg of you do not start a retroactive critical redemption narrative for a game as bad as FFXV
cope
>Shopping the steam review
Kek. SoP got an 85 btw and it's buggy as frick.
I like XV for its boy band aesthetic and I'm tired of pretending like I don't.
Out of curiosity is that all you liked about it?
I liked the pocket edition more than the actual game
>You guys are the best
>see that city? you cant go there
same with that one city where Stella is from.
All you get is a train stop layover like 5 miles away from the city a plot dump by some random NPC and then leave
you explorae more of tenebrae than any "city" in ff16
Reminder that Tabata was fired and regrets the cancellation of FF15 DLC
That comfirms tabata left of his own choice and the cancellation happened afterwards as a result of him choosing to leave where he couldnt stop it from happening because he had left and se didn't wanna do it without him
meanwhile ff16 team already disbanded and ff16 flopped selling worse than every ff in history and ps4 ff16 cancelled
>the cancellation happened afterwards as a result of him
dlc was getting killed no matter what since SE didn't wanna spend more on the flop. that's why Tabata was sad about it.
Nope tabata confirmed the dlc cancelled was because he chose to leave
the full interview comfirmed it
he had already left so he couldn't prevent it being cancelled and it only cancelled because he left
>the dlc cancelled was because he chose to leave
Wrong. DLC was getting cancelled no matter what. That's why he said it was unavoidable. He knew it was coming and couldn't stop it.
he literally said it was cancelled because he left and Because he was no longer at SE they didn't wanna do it without him so it was unavoidable to cancel it because he wasn't there anymore
it only got canned because he left
saito confirmed it
tabata confirmed it
they literally just greenlit it 5 months prior you moron
it was only canned because he left
the xv devs even said it wasn't getting cancelled until after he left
FF16 lost
better than xvi in every single way yes.
>some article not actual SE report
>barry's schizophrenia is reaching the point that he think all of square is breaking the law and flat out lying in their reports
square has no qualms with coming out and saying a game was a flop, even with their big risk games like forspoken
Why would I want to go there though? Just so I can find another bandit camp and 5 gil in a chest? Open world is pure cancer
True, RPGs created open world though, in a way, it was different back then though
How does a mountain form like that?
>SaGa threads die
>Trails threads is just sky vs cs and some translation drama shit
>neptunia and atelier doesnt count since muh budget
>Persona threads full of haters
>Tales of you get some schizo derailing it to politics somehow
>Mana already forgotten
>Nobody gives a shit about the new suikoden clone game
>Nobody talks about metaphor re fantazio anymore
>Star Ocean 6 and SoP, despite having great combat and le rpg elements, were forgotten and flopped even harder
>everyone forgot about Octopath Traveler 2
>Yakuza threads is just the yzero vs yakuza from snes autism samegayging
>Only 2 persons know Decapolice exists
>Pokemon is just some pedo fest, nothing about the combat or even the fricking pokemons
>Even Mariogays dont wanna talk about the mario rpg remake
>Tried to talk about Ys, get called falcom shill
>Star ocean 2 remake forgotten already
>"We want jrpgs", Ganker says, while only using non japanese rpgs as examples, because even they know its a miracle for a non pokemon jrpg to reach 5millions if not after almost a decade and in 20 different platforms
because jrpgs have been surpassed by western rpgs by a long shot in gameplay except for Soulsborne.
The student became the master. Also Bush did nothing wrong.
LIARS
>Yoshitpiss: "make final fantasy into a first person shooter i dont care"
>Final Fantasy as a FPS
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They already did and it flopped miserably. Yoshitpiss has no idea with what the frick is even going on, he is more senile than Joe Biden.
Sakaguchi is the one who said that though
looks like dragons dogma
>yoshitpiss never directed any game
>crisis core from tabata outsold ff16
>type0 from tabata outsold ff16 in japan on just psp
>ff15 outsold ff16 over 3x over and outsold ff14 time aligned too
even forspoken is better
Flopspoken lol
cbu2 keeps mogging cbu3
Stop posting the outdated build
no wonder ff16 bombed
>moron doesnt know what net sales and operating income is
net sales is revenue
operating income is profot
so despite ff16 revenue it didn't profit from its own costs
pozzed piece of shit full of gays and trannies
gameplay is shit too
glad it flopped
>kills the dlc
And still better received than ff16 which has cancelled ps4 and cancelled ps4 dlc
>SE saw XV as a sinking ship not worth saving
Zamn
No wonder ff16 bombed
>Mainline FF not having a party, dungeons, cities and not being an RPG
thats what killed it for me. Squarenix doesnt deserve my money until they make an RPG.
>even max hates flopspoken and said it has no hitstop
It's joever...
Max gave forspoken the same score he gave ff16 and also kh2 has no hitstop, Forspoken has hitstop in the full game that is just the demo, and he praised ffxv for its hitstop while saying ff15 is better than ff16
>Forspoken has hitstop in the full game that is just the demo
the full game doesn't either, why are you lying?
Yes it does
business division 3 is not creative business unit 3 you moron
business division 3 was merged into creative business unit 1, business division 5 was merged as creative business unit 3, business division 2 aka luminous productions was merged into creative business unit 2 and business division 11 aka team asano was merged into business division 2
frick you're dumb
I guess despawning enemies for cutscenes is something Luminous never managed to figure out...
IT'S OK WHEN BETHESDA DOES IT WHEN YOU INTERACT WITH AN NPC
>even normies knew the game was shit
literally over
Is that why xv is the highest selling FF in the US where that aired?
You can thank 10+ years of hype due to Nomura and V13. XV was unfinished dogshit at launch which is why people didn't buy dlc. that led to SE killing the remaining stuff.
Nope versus had barely any hype and was a ff13 spinoff with no more hype than kh bbs had
xv only got hype once tabata started showing it off
xv is more finished than any nomura or yoshitpiss game ever made and better too
xv dlc had high margins which is why it got extended post launch dlc announced to begin with
2 years of dlc had already released before the non canon only stuff was cancelled while the final canon dlc released after that happened anyway
and it was only canned because tabata chose to leave
ff7r and kh3 has more cancelled shit
Brittany outlasted Luminous and she's on meth.. it's the most over it's ever been before.
6 months later... So this is the power of ff16 whoa...
The stock seems to have dropped again when the DLC came out, no surprise here, as PSN stats show that only 3% of players own the DLC.
$10 for 2 hours of dungeon which is really just content cut from the base game, I guess the developers must think the fans are stupid.
>The stock seems to have dropped again when the DLC came out,
holy lmao, and the xvigays here were celebrating that the game was finally on the top sales tab on the ps store
XVI was a pretty weak AAA game, not a huge flop but enough to lose the trust of many shareholders
All these posts and more are just copy pasted from people Barry is arguing with on twitter, so probably
Meant for
even ff16 dlc tanked SEs stock lmao
no wonder ff16 bombed
the crystal curve shows XVI's sales
This thread is so autistic kek
Jrpggays really dont play games
Zelinkgay is either spamming zelink fanarts or same ff16 or tencent bg3 pastas
this was a bad idea. some of this shit is required if you wanna know the full story. Halo 5 tier lol
xv was profitable day 1
dlc had high margins
none of the stuff outside xv has anything to do with xv budget
If SE considered it a hit, they would have allowed Tabata to finish up fixed the game/making DLC. But they didn't because they flopped, and SE didn't wanna waste more money on this game.
He did finish it up, then he chose to leave and said he regrets that it had to get cancelled because he left but not because its important stuff, only because he didn't wanna say he was doing something then not do it
cope
SE literally said xv dlc had high margins and it got 2 fricking years of extended post launch dlc due to fan demand because it was a huge success
>crossed out
Dead studio lmao
because they're square enix now
guess business division 3 is dead...
>matsunoslop
ff12 is more unfinished than 15 and worse than 15
>guess business division 3 is dead...
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Creative_Business_Unit_III
Why is there even zelinkgays aint that the confirmed pairing nobody has to even debate it, even Nintendo says Link is saving Zelda because he cares for her like on some sentimental depth.
Reminder a ff16 thread died because the zelinkschizo was distracted with zelink
Maybe clive reminds her of the men who never fricked her
Barry is a Zelink poster? Please tell me hes the one making cado edits. That's the only way he can redeem.
He is the Zelinkgay, people pointed out how a FFXVI always goes slow whenever there is a Zelink thread
He also larps as the bikini schizo to shitpost nip games that are not switch exclusive
is that solitude?
skyrim lookin kinda different this gen
Who the frick is Barry?
A moron who shits up FF threads by saying FF15 is the greatest FF of all time. He's been doing this for years for some reason. I don't get the obsession.
Not only ff, dmc, mh and hfr (for some fricking reason) too
And I suspect he was also the one behind the condtant anti re4r pastas
>He's in MonHun threads too
That explains the weird division since rise came out
Can't the jannies do their fricking jobs for once
Why is he doing all this?
He wants everyone to like the same things he likes and the fricking industry to make only FF15 clones. Pic related.
I wonder how many pics like exist. It's baffling.
What's the most baffling? The mass fan suicides or the dev suicides?
The personal vendetta post about supposedly inferior game devs in an off topic meta thread
the autism needed to defend a game like this for years is baffling
It must actually be miserable to genuinely be vitriolic towards one thing on a goddamn basket weaving forum
Didnt someone post proof of some asian getting paid for defending ffxv?
I know it sounds like a cop out but probably autism
The fricking lengths spergs like this go to make themselves feel like they won an argument/defend somethin is actually palpable
>Hi-Fi Rush
It's because it was an action game that came out around the time of Forspoken.
Kek I forgot forspoken came out in the same period
40keks. I know a few tards who weaponize their autism towards pointless endeavors like this. Granted not to this scale, but they genuinely wish they could.
>40keks
You mean age? I notice tons of negativity porn addiction, I always associated that to people depressed with age
It's not the same to shitpost when you are a 16 yo kid than in your 30s
People are too miserable these days and I suspect the chart and salesposting is to deal with them never learning to invest
Lurk more you moronic GankerBlack person wannabe
>barry talking about rape
barry is defintely an indian or a muslim could be abos too but he is clearly brown, he is brown minded.
I hear that he is Australian, so he might be an aboriginal or something.
He loves him so kagari
The only moronic one here is you
biggest abos final fantasy 15 fan
Is he jealous Clive and Jill is better?
He (?) already moved here
I'll never understand zeldagays autism.
Yeah could be, le implied is always pretty coward, there are better ships than zelink, unironically
That's not a bad thing on it's own. Pointless open worlds are killing this industry.
they should've removed more rpg elements. 16 gave me that pure j-action feeling I don't get from any action game aside from itsuno and platinum. I'm there for what ryota suzuki works on next, mainline or not https://youtu.be/F53MfLFgdAc?si=Wil6Q0kFmQ-n3GyJ
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>removed more rpg elements
what rpg elements did it even have in the first place?
In retrospective I'm genuinely struggling to notice them here. The weapons that deal like 5% more damage and the rings you can wear that give different negligible stat bonuses?
Because if its about level ups, choosing what to spec for Devil May Cry has that too, guess DmC is more RPG than FF16.
The shit people cry about like status ailments and magic damage types not being in the game arent even RPG elements to begin with so I'm not sure what they took out compared to other games
yes they are
There is RPGs built all around element type mechanics. See: Pokemon. It's a very successful rpg franchise.
Rock paper scissors isn't an rpg
but rock paper scissors leaf wind thunder gavity light strike thrusting frost poison
suddenly does become an rpg because you can choose what to speciallize more depending on what you consider that gives you the most trouble or what you just simply like to roleplay as or strategically cheating by reading a guide and you know what you are going to go up against. FF16 is about elements, quite literally but they are meaningless they are ultimately just different devil may cry weapons, even worse actually.
>because you can choose what to speciallize more depending on what you consider that gives you the most trouble or what you just simply like to roleplay as
Which FF games let you do this exactly? You get maybe 2 spells, usually including a summon, of each "type" that aren't simply numerically better than the last, and use them interchangeably with whatever has the same opportunity cost until you do the most damage possible. And I don't think there's been a single game that even let you do that much since XII in the franchise. There's nothing involving roleplaying with damage types since you don't roleplay as a character that only does fire damage, your character that can do that can just use every other type all the same
Pokemon sells no matter what. The latest games were a buggy mess, and pokegays didn't care.
DmC has colour coded enemy design so yeah, it does have more rpg elements than 16. which is also exactly why 16 is the better action game. rpg elements need to be deleted from action games permanently.
Nah. It needed the important FF stuff
>dungeons
>party system
They should always be in FF. 16 is good, but it would be much better with these.
are these threads made by bots?
It's more likely one very mentally ill Black person and a handful of SEAtards from /ffg/ that love stirring the pot until he shows up and does all the heavy lifting, as many of the posts are pasta but they will change to seething if you provoke him enough
troony game, get woke go broke
game is dogshit
...I still think FFXVI is a masterpiece and the PC version will prove it.
When mane...
Probably won't buy at full price but it seems like a fun time for $30
I would expect spring since it won't really conflict with Dawntrail if it comes out right alongside the DLC, it would also set a precedent for Rebirth's PC launch being within 4-5 months after it's exclusivity ends, though that'll still be an ebin launch
what is the name for the modern design style of FF
like from 11 on it's this high fantasy military larp shit, and i gotta admit i'm not a big fan of it
>high fantasy military larp shit
What are you even trying to say
The "dude I love leather armor" aesthetic that the matsuno and MMO games have
Ask the one gay who cries about XIV moving away from it being the design standard every other thread I'm sure he knows
Might buy this game when its free on pc
Frick you yoshiBlack person
I'm pretty sure we do go there and blow it up don't we?
FFXVI is definitely lacking ambition but its presentation is kino
Based
Cities in video games are always shit no exceptions
I haven't been to this shithole in 2 years and there's STILL a barry thread up. Whats it been now 12 years? Someone needs to make a lolcow documentary on this dude at this point.
someone needs to gather all the images and upload them to imgur or something
I think I did this once, let me see if I can find it
nvm I didn't
There has never been a more popular poster with a more loyal following than Barry, you gays can't keep his dick out of your mouth for 1 FF thread.
You've been in every single FF thread for the past decade, barry.
A true hero, unlike that homosexual Clive.
Clive got raped by fat men during his slavetime.
When is the pc version coming?
Trust the 18 month plan!
(yoshitda wastes even more money to be opaqued by WoW Classic and the War Within)
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FF16 feels rushed and cheap. It's obvious to me that Square misallocated a bunch of resources to Final Fantasy VII Rebirth because they knew people were expecting an open world game, and 16 got the scraps.
XVI had a budget of +200M bucks to develop though.
Does that mean if the game sold 3.000.000 copies it made its money back
Hollywood accounting exists in videogames too.
I've not ever seen a single receipt that proves this, and I've asked more than once. It's obviously possible, but without solid confirmation, it could just as easily be a Barry cope.
Yup so much empire and crystal city in the cover to be a wet fart
Dishonest game design.
It's literally an in-game "dungeon," Anon. FF16 also isn't an open world game.