Seethe all you want with your shitty youtuber non-critiques, but this was the last monstrous, animalistic, non-mascottable starter trio.
Seethe all you want with your shitty youtuber non-critiques, but this was the last monstrous, animalistic, non-mascottable starter trio.
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Only Serperior is good
samurott looks cool
>but the other two for-
dont care. samurott looks cool. no one picks starters based on anything but their final forms.
This.
Got Emboar and was happy with it, then Cheren pulled up with his Samurott and it just looked so cool fighting us.
Samushitters
Yes. Cry about it.
I would cry but my tears are worth more than 100 samushitters
The direction Samurott’s facing reminds me of gigachad there.
Appropriate.
Holy based
I want to snex the snanke
indeed
I agree. The only one I really like is Emboar but the others are both solid Pokemon. Shame what happened to starters after this gen
At least Skeledirge is kinda cool
Samurott is looking very sexy in this image
Poor Emboar is stuck as the third wheel
>the last monstrous, animalistic
samurott is indeed a monstrosity.
Will always be my favourite trio
He's gone past smug, now it's devious.
Snivy is my cute snake wife!
Reminds me of the Pokespe BW chapter where they’re shown playing around. Not my favorite trio, but definitely up there in the top three.
Only the grass starters from Gens 6, 7, & 8 are in the style of old Pokémon design. Oh, and Skeledirge.
Always felt like Emboar looked out of place in this trio, it being the only humanoid starter. I guess every trio has to have at least one.
It's a fucking boar. It's about as humanoid as Charizard.
>It's only monstruous if it has short legs or no legs!!!!!!!
Well yes, in pokemon's case SPECIFICALLY, their designs that veer away from anthropomorphization tend to be the more monstrous-looking ones.
Also, Samurott's limbs are sizeable and it still looks very monstrous.
last thing, but I'm not surprised at all that someone who doesn't know what monstrous actually means, how to spell it, how to describe it, and probably hates Unova blindly is the same person. Zero surprise
>their designs that veer away from anthropomorphization
Too bad they don't do that an OP is just a retard.
>but I'm not surprised at all that someone who doesn't know what monstrous actually means
Yeah, I'm sure you know a lot about people who don't know what "monstrous" actually means.
if you can't tell the difference between left and right you don't even need a medical diagnosis to know you are retarded
I made sure to specifically mention that in pokemon's case specifically, the more humanoid mons look less monstrous, but you seem to like to shitfling for no reason, so I couldn't be bothered debating you. It's apparent you're a shitposter when you claim Unova starters are as anthro as the later abominations, and that the Unova ones are somehow less monstrous-looking.
>the more humanoid mons look less monstrous
please learn what "monstrous" actually means before you keep making yourself look like a retard.
>no neckbeard pig
>no quadruped that awkwardly has to use tools
>actually popular instead of being outshilled by an objectmon
objectively not
At no point did I say the definition of monstrous is "less humanoid". For the third time, in the specific case of pokemon, the less anthro it is, the more monstrous they usually make it look. It didn't cause the other innately. The designers just do that easily. Idk, maybe cuz making everything humanoid allows way fewer design differences.
>muh popularity
>more YTer criticisms
lol
>the less anthro it is, the more monstrous they usually make it look
please learn what "monstrous" actually means before you keep making yourself look like a retard.
>he still refuses to even read the full sentence and just seeks a chunk to make into greentext
I can't help you, stupid anon
This is the worst take I've ever seen on Ganker I feel like apologizing to everyone else I disagreed with.
Anon, do you understand the scale of what you're saying has?
ESL moment
mothman is LITERALLY an owl retard.
And their designs are still the worst of every starter trio so why the fuck should I care?
>t. furry
>t. underaged redditor
how exactly did your furry brain reach that conclusion? have you stared at so much pokémon porn you fried your brain?
How is that being a furry? I can masturbate to all three just fine. Kys.
>masturbates to pokémon
>tells others to kill themselves
this franchise has canonical pokefucking
You are the one who doesn't belong here.
it is always said in a joking manner. you are supposed to read about people marrying pokémon and go "wait, what?!"
you know, a joke?
actually being sexually attracted to a quadruped creature completely covered in fur is an obvious sign of mental ilness that doesn't belong anywhere
Yeah all those folklore tales of men fucking spirits in the shape of foxes from japan are lol jokes too. So is the massive porn influx. Just a prank.
no those aren't jokes. but unlike those, pokémon is aimed at kids.
i admit your concession
And PLa included one of those folk tales in the game. You can now cry to hell for all I care. There is also a sex comment in super pokemon mystery dungeon, in the japanese version.
>furry's brain is so rotten he actually believes pokémon is actively advocating furry behaviour such as being sexually attracted to pokémon IRL, and not just as a background element of its FICTIONAL universe
alright buddy, have fun jacking it to your green dogs I guess. just don't start crying about how women suck and you can't have sex with them later like your kind always does
I was never into humans to begin with.
gen 8 trio is still the worst one
LOL No
LOL Yes
>no fursuit soccer player
>no monkey that awkwardly has to use tools
>actually popular, together with an objectmon that's more popular than the galar starters
objectively better than the galar furshit
No one really cares about your contrarian autism brother. Unova starters being shit is verifiable from the fact that no one gives a shit about them despite BW nostalgia being at an all time high.
I don't think that argument works, especially for Oshawott.
>scores well in multiple polls
>gets a regional form
>one of the only starters to become an ambassador for japan
>plushies sells well
>lots of fanart, even for samurott
If I'm contrarian, then so are you, objectively
I also like how their body plans vary so much from one another as to be a completely different experience just looking at them. Serperior is quick as hell but has no arms. Emboar is slow and chubby but jacked and bipedal. Samurott is a quadruped somewhere in between and is armed.
>a king is animalistic
>a wrestler is animalistic
>a samurai that uses its swords awkwardly is animalistic
ok retard
Those themes don't hijack the designs. Serperior isn't a royal, but is a snake with a royal theme.
Emboar is a pig monster thing before they added slight warlord and wrestler theming.
Samurott doesn't look like a Samurai at all but has a Samurai theme.
Please grow up faster to learn the difference between these and your shitty nugen cereal mascots.
>Those themes don't hijack the designs.
Yes they do.
*buzz sound*
nope. try again!
no they don't
>Look how obvious the king theme is in this design! I-i-it has its HANDS BEHIND ITS BACK! Literally HIJACKING its design.
Lol. The desperation in these posts.
>Look how obvious the knight theme is in this design! I-i-it has its PROTECTING ITSELF! Literally HIJACKING its design.
Lol. The desperation in these posts.
See? I can do it too.
>Yes. Zacian is infinitely more awkward
Not really. It doesn't need its limbs to use its sword.
>ignore the times it looks good doing so
I can't ignore something that doesn't exist.
>See? I can do it too.
And you'd be wrong. Show a side-by-side of Serperior with a snake and a king, as well as chesnaught with a generic juggernaut and whatever animal you think is closest. Serperior is 100 times more obviously a snake than a royal in comparison to Chesnaught being a juggernaut RPG class character over whatever animal you think it is
>It doesn't need its limbs to use its sword.
>nugen retards think swinging with your skull is less awkward than using a sword with your arm
>"If I ignore it, it simply ceases to exist!"
Again, I can't help you anon.
>And you'd be wrong
Source?
>Just like how (You) can't read the post you replied to
No, I can read fine. You're the one selectively not reading posts.
hiding hands behind back is comparable to a special snowflake move forming a shield unique to that Pokemon
You're right, they aren't comparable, one is a Pokemon naturally protecting itself while the other is a Pokemon behaving like a human. I guess Serperior is actually more humanoid than Chesnaught. Oops!
>Source?
the fact that the actual designs of the gen 5 starters look more like their animals than their themes, unlike in gen 6. You're asking for a source the sky is blue.
>You're the one selectively not reading posts.
I'm not the one who cited another post when asked to cite the specific one I replied to. Show me where I haven't addressed something in a post I responded to.
>one is a Pokemon naturally protecting itself
shields aren't natural, anon. The ability to move your arms in various positions is pretty fucking natural, however.
>the fact that the actual designs of the gen 5 starters look more like their animals
You can make this exact same argument about every other starter.
>when asked to cite the specific one
Why would I have to cite the specific one when you're responding to a chain of posts? Is it because you realize your argument completely falls apart in the context of what my posts were actually saying instead of your schizo fanfics?
>shields aren't natural
Holy shit bros! Turtles and armadillos aren't natural creatures! It is natural for a snake to randomly have arms that it holds behind its back like a human though because uh....trust me!
>You can make this exact same argument about every other starter.
and you'd be wrong.
/thread
>You can make this exact same argument about every other starter.
And you'd be saying the sky is orange. That doesn't mean you're correct. Serperior objectively looks more like a snake than a king, while something chesnaught objectively looks more like a human with its body shape than the animal it's trying to emulate. Again, put them side by side.
>Why would I have to cite the specific one when you're responding to a chain of posts?
Maybe because I already responded to those other parts of the chain in previous posts. You claimed I admit they're shit by not defending them in THAT SPECIFIC POST, even though it was only responding to a post criticizing one of them. Stop being intentionally retarded to pretend others are.
>turtles and armadillos
they don't have arm shields, retard. a snake having leaf arms that don't even look like arms doesn't evoke "king" the way a literal boasting of a shield in front of you evokes a classic knight
>abandons topic of whether or not a "king" theme hijacks Serperior's design
Nice moving of the goalposts, anon.
>resting leaf "hands" on back is more humanoid than holding up a shield to deflect projectiles
I knew you were retarded, but holy shit.
topic
Where
leaf "hands" on back is more humanoid than holding up a shield to deflect projectiles
Correct. I'm glad you're finally getting it.
Just like you're currently wrong about Serperior.
/thread
Chesnaught "naturally protects itself" the way using a firearm is "naturally hunting for prey."
How would raising ones hands to defend as a large animal help when the rest of body is exposed? That position, no matter how you try to spin it, is only something you'd do if you had a large tool (such as a man-made iron shield) to use.
>protecting yourself with your body is exposing your body!
yeah, fuck those stupid humanoid armadillos. They're definitely less realistic than the snakes with hands that are held behind their back like a human.
It's nice that you bring up the fact that Chesnaught is(?) an armadillo, because armadillos have shells to protect themselves. And that makes sense. Chesnaught on the other hand raises his hands directly above his which, if you think about it for a second, is a stupid position unless you're a martial artist. Or if you have a shield.
It’s not like it has a fucking she’ll on it’s back for protection. But no, they had to anthropomorphize it.
Can we end this?
Even with this animal, picrel works to show Chesnaught is the jobmon while Serperior is the monster.
the top one looks a humanoid snake with a human personality
the bottom one just looks like a feral creature with a shell
>the top one looks more like a snake than a king
>the bottom one looks more like a juggernaut than an animal
>this conveys that themes didn’t hijack designs until gen 6, like the premise of this thread
FTFY
>the top one looks more like a snake
snakes don’t have hands, wear clothes with royal symbols on them, and have smug expressions
the bottom one is literally just a generic animal with a shell
>it has an extremely subtle theme though! That debunks the fact that it still looks nothing like a king!
Chesnaught has more juggernaut traits than armadillo traits, while Serperior has more snake traits than king traits. Over 100 posts later, you still deflect away from this simple fact. Just admit your shitty nugen childhood generation on the 3DS was always shitty. Oldchads, post comfy old art.
You know that “juggernaut” isn’t an actual job, right? You’re basically admitting Chesnaught just looks like a generic armored animal. Meanwhile Serperior is a humanoid snake with a job.
>humanoid
you keep using that word, anon
i do not think it means what you think it means
Please show me these non-human snakes with hands that they hold behind their back.
>continues to miss the point that Serperior barely looks like a human as a whole
>continues to miss the point that Serperior does look like a human as a whole
See pic
please show me the human snakes with no legs and useless floppy arms
>please show me the human snakes
ok
>shifts to “job” instead of “human”
>pretends Serperior looks like a human at all
You’ve lost an hour ago. Repeating yourself won’t change that, anon.
Juggernaut is a trope, retard. Juggernauts resemble the Marvel villain of the same name. That's what happens when a character becomes iconic some fifty years ago.
The absolute state of Ganker.
>Juggernaut is a trope,
Glad you agree Chesnaught is just an armored up animal instead of a humanoid jobmon like Serperior.
more than a job it's a fantasy DnD class
just like the ninja (Ninja is a Hybrid Class of Monk and Rogue) and the wizard or sorcerer
why am I getting a (You) for this
I did not make this post
It's a trope the way a superhero is trope or a paladin is a trope in fantasy settings. In other words, a job. Anon, please tell me you're only acting retarded on purpose.
>It's a trope the way a superhero is trope
Not really. I think the problem is you don't actually know what "juggernaut" means.
>you don't actually know what "juggernaut" means.
I think you meant to respond to that one Chesnaughtfag who thinks Juggernaut isn't a fantasy class/job, if so, good response. I'll point you in his direction so you can find the right post next time.
Retarded Chesnaughtfag doesn't know what their favorite's body type is based on, nothing new.
It's literally based on a knight. The Gen 6 starters are based on the typical RPG character archetypes; the fighter, the mage, and the rogue/thief.
God, save the king.
If its a snake why does it have arms? Wouldn't that make it a skink or something instead?
they're leaves resembling hands i guess
Its shown moving them in some animations though
Like hands
Its not a snake
>Its shown moving them in some animations though
i mean why they wouldn't? they're a part of the body
>Like hands
that's the key word "they move like hands" doesn't mean they're hands
>Its not a snake
i don't know it's japanese name is JALORD literally "lord snake" or something similiar
>a king
No mentally sane person looks at the Snivy line and says "that's a King."
In fact, I'm seriously wondering how you arrived at that conclusion instead of the obvious "grass snake" answer.
No mentally sane person looks at the Chesnaught line and says "that's a knight."
See? I can do it too.
>No mentally sane person looks at the Chesnaught line and says "that's a knight."
which is why Chestnaught is the best-designed Kalos starter by a country mile
Glad you agree OP is a retard.
>I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious how you got "King" from this thing that's literally a fleur-de-lis fused with a snake that constantly holds its hands behind its back that literally has "Regal" in its pokedex category
Reminder folks, this is the IQ level of people who think the Gen 5 starters are well designed.
>Glad you agree OP is a retard.
It's not like he made sure to say "trio"
>it has a theme so it IS that thing
a real-life snake doesn't look like a king no matter how many king decorations I put on it. If I changed the body plan of that snake dramatically to make it look MORE like a king than even a snake, that's a different story. A story that began In XY.
>It's not like he made sure to say "trio"
And he'd already be wrong about gen 5 regardless, and you know this since you chose to comment about Serperior specifically from my post instead of the other two which are blatantly jobmons even to you, so I don't see what difference it makes.
>a real-life snake doesn't look like a king
We're not talking about real life snakes. We're talking about Serperior.
>you chose to comment about Serperior specifically from my post instead of the other two
YOU didn't even mention their supposed flaws, so there was nothing for me to shit on due to shitty reasoning. By your logic, you think they're good because you didn't bring them up. Go ahead, tell me what about them you think isn't monstrous and animalistic
>jobmons
stop moving goalposts. for the nth time, their primary design element is their animal inspiration with their themes tacked on. In later gens, the job is the primary design element.
>We're talking about Serperior.
Which looks more like a snake than a king by a mile. I could have shitposted like you and just said "We're not talking about Kings either, we're talking about Serperior" just to say it isn't a King in a baseless, shitposty way, but I have faith that you have the capacity for logical argumentation, so I want to get to the crux of the argument itself, which is that Serperior, a gen 5 starter, looks more like it's animal inspiration than whatever fucking job it has. Why should I have to plead with you to answer this post in a way that isn't farming (You)s or shitposting? An example being:
>No, it doesn't.
>YOU didn't even mention their supposed flaws
Yes I did.
>their primary design element is their animal inspiration
You can make this exact same argument about every other starter.
>Which looks more like a snake than a king
You can make this exact same argument about every other starter.
>Yes I did.
Where in
did you mention the other two's flaws?
>You can make this exact same argument about every other starter.
(You)'d be wrong
I guess you like to ignore a call to reason. Fuck you and whatever's left in your skull. Feel better.
>Where did you mention the other two's flaws?
>(You)'d be wrong
Just like how (You)'re wrong about Serperior.
Just like how (You) can't read the post you replied to and literally cherrypick words to argue.
I have always thought the inspirations were cool when they were subtle and fun to discover like this....
>"hands" behind its back, leaving them hidden from view (to the point where some people overlook it entirely)
>pattern that vaguely represents a flower used as a symbol of French royalty is visible
All I got was "french royalty flower-snake."
>literally has "Regal" in its pokedex category
You mean
>requires Pokedex entry to understand the theme
You're not really helping yourself with these points anon.
not the same anon but according to ken sugimori serperior is a knight based on lady oscar
Is it a knight or a king? Anons seem really confused on this point. What is it about Serperior that makes its theming so hard to guess?
>thinks hiding hands behind back is comparable to a special snowflake move forming a shield unique to that Pokemon
Bad cope. Serperior would be comparable if it had a signature move that summoned a fancy crown to negate priority moves.
>What is it about Serperior that makes its theming so hard to guess?
Obviously the fact that its actual design screams animal more than its LOOSE inspiration.
>Is it a knight or a king? Anons seem really confused on this point. What is it about Serperior that makes its theming so hard to guess?
i have no fucking guess because i'm not the same anon unless you're blind or something
as far as ken sugimori's own words serperior is based on a french aristocratic figure like lady oscar and while a knight is not on par with a european monarch i can see why anyone would see him that way about his looks and his little hands behind your back like Sardinian grandparents watching construction sites
and you'd be right
mentally sane people don't look at the Chesnaught line and say "that's a knight."
mentally sane people look at the Chesnaught line and say "that's ugly."
I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious how you got "King" from Serperior.
Chesnaught makes his theme obvious with his arms forming a literal shield. It might be comparable if Serperior wore a crown, but it doesn't.
Correct, the mentally sane look at Chesnaught and laugh. It's not a knight, it's an abomination that morphs its awkward hands into a shield and LARPs as one.
genuinely do not understand how someone can hate Serperior. Or Emboar, for that matter.
>this was the last starter trio that was so dogshit that they were less popular than an objectmon
true
>anthropomorphic shitters are marketable
>starter pokémon have started to become more and more humanoid since gen 6
Marketing was a mistake. Pokémon would've been good if it never went mainstream.
>the franchise should have bad designs on purpose because I'm autistic and asshurt people don't like emboar over designs that are actually good
Please enlighten us on how nugen designs (6-8) are somehow better than designs that came earlier. And if you say it's popularity, kindly have a nice day.
>Please enlighten us on how nugen designs (6-8) are somehow better than designs that came earlier.
Do any of them awkwardly use tools despite having a quadruped body shape?
>most high quality art is non-marketable
Nice copium, Emboartard.
I hate Emboar, gay, but there is a reason "lowest common denominator" is used as an insult. if you disagree we will assume you are part of that lowest common denominator who wants shit designs because your taste is shit
>who wants shit designs
I'm not the asshurt Samurottard actively asking for designs to worse.
>I'm a retard who can't read the design properly so that must mean other people are retards too
Are you the same type of dumbfuck who got surprised that Typhlosion's flames aren't supposed to always be out?
>Do any of them awkwardly use tools despite having a quadruped body shape?
funny you say that because Samurott is never animated to do so in Gen 5. Or are you judging him by the shitty animations of Gen 6+, which damage every single other mon as well?
and even then, you barely see him using those tools. most of the time you see him simply standing on all fours where he looks really really cool. Using his blades "akwardly" is not nearly big enough of a deal as you make it out to be to ruin his design.
>funny you say that because Samurott is never animated to do so in Gen 5
? which cutscene from BW/B2W2 is that?
Man, those 3d cutscenes in the DS really are something else. Almost look animated by hand.
>blaming gen 6 for accurately portraying gen 5's shitty designs
LMAO
>fuck gen 6 for animating every pokémon like crap
yes?
and you didn't adress the "Using his blades "akwardly" is not nearly big enough of a deal as you make it out to be to ruin his design." part. You know, the most important part.
>Gamefreak can't animate, the few good 3d animations are found in some now-outdated Z-moves
We already knew this. Keep up with the times, sperm.
>Do any of them awkwardly use tools despite having a quadruped body shape?
Would be kino if they did.
Maliketh literally stands up on it’s hind legs for some attacks (because swords are used by bipeds, crazy). And even when it stands up it’s body basically looks similar to a Midnight Lycanroc.
Ceaseless Edge animation in PLA looks like the Destined Death skill in that game
Yes. Zacian is infinitely more awkward. Samurott isn't awkward when animated correctly. It just tends to be animated poorly. It's not a design issue, but rather a recurring effort issue that everything knows fucking exists. Retards like
ignore the times it looks good doing so and just focus on the shitty animations in Gen 6 and certain anime episodes over others, as well as actually good official art of it using them fine. And yes, on-model fanart counts and demonstrates the design isn't inherently flawed.
>non-marketable =/= bad
most high quality art is non-marketable. hell, saying you want pokémon to have non-marketable designs is much closer to saying you want them to have good designs than bad ones, because the general taste (especially in Japan) is such shit.
I liked them all but damn serperior kinda sucked a fat cock even in-game. you have like a normal move and a grass move and that's it
it gets coil at least, that's kinda fun
>most active thread by far
based and soulful gen 5 starters
what animal even is chesnaught
it's a glyptodon
>non-mascottable
>starter trio
That is an oxymoron in itself, as starters are the de facto mascots for a region, being the very first things they let you near before disgorging you on the story.
Just because they market them, doesn’t mean they were designed primarily for marketability.
Stop being retarded. Look at Chesnaught and Serperior and tell me without laughing that Chesnaught isn’t more humanoid somehow.
It is PRECISELY why they're fucking made, you deranged little cumrag. Else at this stage, they'd been shilling 'Zard as the only option for Fire starters and Greninja as Water pick, due to them being the most popular of all fire and water starters. Instead, they persist in making pokémon native to every new region (confirmed by Legends showing the Sinnoh set lived in the region) and highlighting them as the face of Pokémon for all potential new trainers.
What the fuck are you saying? Laventon imported starters.
>Turtwig found in Droning Meadow
>Chimchar found on Ranmas Island
>Piplup found on Spring Path
Which means starters of other regions are native to that region, unless otherwise stated (like the Legends set brought over from Johto, Unova and Alola).
Oh sorry for the misunderstanding. But what does that have to do with the marketability?
No one said the old designs didn’t have themes. They just look more like their animals than their themes. Those two also look more like creatures with their subtle theming instead of literal humans in suits.
Say it like 13 more times and maybe it’ll become a reality.
>They just look more like their animals than their themes
So do the new Pokemon. Get a better argument.
They objectively don’t. Stop saying the sky is orange. The statement is argumentatively equivalent to the sky being blue, but factually retarded and you aren’t actually convincing anyone with a healthy pair of eyes and a brain.
Please enlighten us by saying how a juggernaut Pokemon somehow isn’t a jobmon.
Rereading, he basically meant that you seem to use Sea Lions not being able to walk bipedally as evidence Samurott cannot, even though they have completely different body plans and legs. Boars can’t walk either, yet we have Emboar.
Except the quality of the animation doesn’t matter when we’re simply talking about the proof of concept being Samurott’s ability for quick bipedal combat, which that video demonstrates. Even if it wasn’t animated seamlessly, it demonstrates that the design itself is able to perform said action, and that any day someone can just animate it better. Criticize shitty ashimators, not Samurott.
I don’t think the others seem as aquatic, but they have their own sets of issues. Blastoise has seen countless changes to the shell holes to account for changes in limb mobility and canon rotary ability, akin the Samurott’s blades changing sizes to an extent. It also can’t run with legs that small. Feraligatr still suffers with its 3D model, with its weight distribution being fucked. Swampert literally demonstrates quadruped-biped hybridism. Empoleon has tiny legs not made to run yet does so anyway. Greninja and Inteleon are so thin they’d snap under their own weight. Primarina obviously has a fucked walking animation because it’s actually built for water. Quaquaval just looks disjointed in so many places. I think these are okay problems Ti have in a fictional monster series where physics don’t work exactly perfectly, so nothing is actually innately wrong with these designs.
Snakes are occasionally born with vestigial legs, anon. A bald man’s still a mammal.
The legs/arms in these cases aren't exactly vestigial though, anon.
Except they LITERALLY are, anon! You’re making me chuckle!!
>he basically meant that you seem to use Sea Lions not being able to walk bipedally as evidence Samurott cannot, even though they have completely different body plans and legs
Except that’s not the point, the point is that even with Samurott’s modified body plan it doesn’t show much capacity of actually being able to smoothly transition from quadruped to a biped, even the gif (
) of it walking doesn’t give that impression. And even the still image posted much earlier (
) doesn’t look any better.
It got a new 3D model in SV so maybe it’s supposed “bipedalism” is more believable now?
I don’t think any other Pokémon outside of Mewtwo and Charizard actually got a new model. Most Pokémon got texture alterations.
>I don’t think the others seem as aquatic
Doesn’t matter, I specifically addressed his direct statement which was a vague “water-type in non-aquatic setting”. So I brought up other water types that still function fine on both land and water without issue.
you cannot convince me blastoise can swim with those stubby limbs
Even if it couldn’t (which I doubt that it can’t), it could always just jet itself in the water anyways.
No creature optimized for land activities would like to have the body structure Empoleon has lol
sometimes i think empoleon would just slide on it's belly like real penguins to move on land
>it demonstrates that the design itself is able to perform said action
It hardly does, the animation in general is stiff and doesn’t actually show it moving on two legs. We see it standing in the first few frames with it’s swords out, it jumps, slashes and then lands. It doesn’t actually show it moving on two legs, since it’s apparently capable of doing so.
You mean it was animated bad, the design itself can be animated well. Got it.
Yes, “looking retarded” is a non issue because it doesn’t actually look retarded. You just imagine it retarded.
No actualy, it very clearly looks retarded, because it simply does. You're complaining about Empoleon think it's a magical gotcha, but we have seen Empoleon depicted walking and running on land, he's not agile but it works. Meanwhile Samurott looks retarded using it's swords, to the point where you saw people complain it looks retarded so often that it led you to having this chip on your shoulder that is forcing you to try and defend it here.
>If I hate the posts then it must be from the same person!
>You mean it was animated bad, the design itself can be animated well. Got it.
Don’t know who you’re quoting because you obviously have the wrong post, as I’ve said none of that shit.
Holy cope-aroni. All this stretching does not change the fact that a thing on four legs lifting up it's silly popsicle-esque sword simply looks retarded. "They had to draw Blastoise's proportions differently for this shot" is a non issue, "the skinny cartoony animal is skinnier than it should logically be" is a non issue, "looks retarded and unappealing doing it's signature move" however is impossible to smooth over.
>AIEEEE WHAT THE FUCK HOW COME THIS HUMANOID CHESTNUT HAS A SPIKY SHIELD IN FRONT OF IT IT'S HUMANOID AHHHHHHH!!!!!
do unovaschizos really?
Kalosfags were the ones who brought up Chesnaught to begin with, I think your ire is misdirected anon.
anons at this point i don't even know if snivy's are actual legs and arms or just leaves that mimic them
Didn’t even know it had arms for the longest time. It really blends into the rest of the body.
Seems like a vestigial structure if anything. Which makes sense given it’s pre-evos.
Very nice.
Let's see Greninja and Delphox.
this is the truth behind snivy's "legs" and why it loses them
what the fuck
I saw an interesting vid about snake peeners and how the leg growing genes help with growing the snake's penis.
Fucking cursed
I don’t know what it is about Pokéspergs to where they’ll endlessly screech at each other about a monster being humanoid when literally every other Monster Battling/Raising franchise fan base doesn’t do this. And even ignoring the monster battle simulators nobody seethes at shit like Onimusha, Dark Souls or Nioh for having humanoid monster enemies. This is a genuinely strange phenomenon to witness every single time it happens.
I just find it weird that a game series for kids has these obvious furry-bait. Why couldn't we keep it at cool dragons and dinosaurs? If I had a child with mon I'd think he was a homo.
Anon, kids aren't looking at these Pokemon and thinking "Wow! Look at this sexy beast! I'm totally gonna be a furry now!" - they're fucking kids seeing a cool wrestler or whatever and enjoying it for that
and if they are seeing sexual stuff in it then they were degenerates that were gonna whack it to monsters regardless of them being anthro or not
Anon, I think the problem here is that you’re looking at a fictional creature and immediately thinking about furries when most of the world either doesn’t know or care about furries. Especially kids. Do you think kids sat down and watched Puss in Boots last year in theaters thinking: “ZAMN, THAT CAT IS HOT! AWOOOOGA!!!!!!”?
Stop letting furries live rent free, Anon.
this but unironically
arguing about kalos compared to other gens is always dumb because it's not like Kalos is BAD. at worst, it's just okay. there's things to like, and things to hate. it's that other gens are...you know...better.
i doubt gen 6 would get nearly as much shit if its fans stopped trying to hang with the big kids. sometimes the thing you like is the last sputter of quality before the games entered a death spiral, and you just gotta live with that. it could be worse, after all. you could be Alola.
Behold, a humanoid!
cute snek
Wtf why is that snake wearing clothes like a human, GF has really gone downhill.
>this is an animalistic monster that definitely isn’t wearing wrestler clothes for its wrestler job trust me bro
kalosfag post
I like gen 5 and I've always hated the tepig line.
>this is an animalistic monster, no it definitely doesn’t habe hair that resembles a japanese topknot like a samurai wears and no those definitely aren’t war fans it uses for its job
>it’s not my gen that started the cancer k-kalos did it TRUST ME!!
did he really give up? jfc
the arguing in this thread is hilarious
Also cool picrel
This thread is EXACTLY why everyone hates Kalosfags. I know you kids have delusions of influencing the opinion of the board somehow, but you’re literally making everyone hate your garbage dumpster “region” even more than it deserves, which is very hard. You’re making your camp of genfags look exponentially retarded. Go back to posting comfy art as PSS screenshots as acceptable defenses. You’ll do your games a favor.
This looks great. Is there a Hisuian version?
don't think so
Would've been so much better if Emboar was typed mono Fire to match the other two.
Purely visually though, they're alright. But the transition from Dewott to Samurott is still really rough, they should've had more similarities. IMO I would've kept Dewott's evolution more otterlike and at least semi-bipedal, and in return I would've kept Tepig's evolutions quadrupedal.
imo all of them should have two types
I feel like if you kept all three of their designs exactly the way they are, monotypes just fit slightly better. Especially because of Serperior. Sure, it's a snake, but it seems much more like a non-venomous garden snake. And if it weren't Poison, idk what other type to give it. And any type besides Fighting for Emboar feels like a slight stretch
That said, Dark could work for Emboar, especially since its based on Zhu Bajie. And Fighting would be fine for Samurott. Serperior just doesn't scream any second type to me unless we just slap on Poison. Either way, this trio deserved better. I think Emboar especially would be loved if it hadn't been Fighting.
>Zhu Baije
Isn’t it Zhang Fei?
Zhu Bajie is a main character in Journey to the West who is a humanoid pig, which fits as Infernape is inspired by Sun Wukong, another JTTW character who is a monkey. Personally, since Zhu Bajie is described as being kind of a dirty fighter and sinful, I think Emboar should've been Fire/Dark if it had to be dual typed.
That all said, Zhang Fei might have been additional inspiration, too.
I admit, I kinda like how saturated and distinct their colors and designs are.
I applaud you for sharing your opinions civilly. I think it’d be nice if Samurott would just be animated standing up more often, like when using X-scissor or something requiring two swords. Emboar can have some gorilla-like animations as well without changing the design.
And….
picrel is for you. It’s what I described above except WAY overboard. I thought they’d fit as dual type Megas for you, though.
Sorry, forgot pic.
The issue with Samurott is that being "animalistic" is at odds with its previous stages, and its entire concept. It's supposed to hold swords in its hands and fight with them... but it's quadruped. The only context this doesn't look silly under is an underwater battle. But 99% of Pokemon battles take place on land, so the majority of the time, it's just awkwardly flailing its swords around and stuck in place while doing so.
It just does not work if you think about it too hard.
The crazy thing is that you could keep Samurott “animalistic” and biped (facultative). Even goddamn Monster Hunter does this. But anytime this is pointed out Samurottfags go into a schizophrenic rage about furries or some shit.
this monster looks sick there is a particular reason on why it has a sword for a hand?
The monster doesn’t usually have the arm blade at all times, it only does this in self defense. It creates the ice blade by inhaling the cool air in its surroundings (the Goss Harag normally lives in cooler climates), it then spits out a cold fluid onto its arms to create the blades. It can have two blades at once if it chooses to do so.
that's so fucking cool
Thoughts on this?
Body type still isn’t suited for bipedalism. It’s literally hunched over and doesn’t even look particularly well balanced for bipedal movement, meanwhile the Goss Harag has a body type similar to a bear which allows for both quadrupedal and bipedal movement.
>Can stand up like that
>Can't picture the design pulling off these kind of movements
I don't believe you
No I can’t, because Samurott flat out has a different body shape.
Just because its not 1:1 doesn't mean it can't replicate what that creature does.
>Bear
>Sea Lion
these two radically different creatures can move the exact same way
Looks more balanced
than an actual sea lion standing. It can pull off whatever that MH creature does. Cope
that's primarina
It literally cannot, you can look at the way Samurott is posed in that image and tell. Sea Lions aren’t designed for bipedal land movement and they most certainly aren’t designed to wield fucking swords. Dilate.
>Has a completely different limb structure from the actual thing
>Hurr it’s inspired by X so the result will always work like X!
You’re retarded as fuck lol
Nowhere in that last post did I claim that they were exactly alike you illiterate fucktard. Even with the Goss Harag I use the word “similar”. The point is that even with modifications from their base inspirations one of these creatures is actually suited to move on both two legs and four legs while the other one isn’t suited to do so. Got it yet, you stupid bastard?
>Hurr it can't do it cuz the animal its based on doesn't do it
>Limb structure is nothing like the animal its based on
>Noooo it has to be 1:1 with that MH creature or it can't do what it does!
Nah you're retarded lol
>Schizophrenic rambling
>Can’t even make a coherent point
Well, thanks for confirming that you can’t read I guess. Hope you’ll learn eventually, Anon.
Honestly, I have to agree, I remember back when the data for all the Pokemon walking and running animations were found in the 3DS games I saw Samurott and had a difficult time believing it could actually walk on two legs at all. The way it's back legs bend look kinda awkward.
why it's leg and shell bend like that what the fuck he's asking you to kill it
>anon cannot comprehend body plans that are not humanoid
looks handicapped and retarded no wonder people can't comprehend it
>Hurrr it looks weird doing it =/= Its not built to do it!
Cope fursuitshitters
It quite literally can't move while holding its swords unless it's underwater.
>It can't move
Except it can schizoid?
In the first few frames, it literally unsheathed its swords from out of nowhere and the sheathes aren’t even present on the arm. So not only does it have contort like that (which somewhat works in 2D and likely won’t work in 3D) it’s shells also just vanished entirely.
>Implies every action scene has perfect frames
Quit being autistic over muh details
It looks good which is all that matters
Except it doesn’t look good, Even in the frames afterwards. Is a static frame of Samurott flying through the air followed by a fade away when it slashes supposed to be impressive? Not really displaying the Pokemon’s actual movement well at all in that instance lol.
>muh anime
not canon retardo
There is no other source for how Pokemon move and fight. The anime follows reference sheets drawn and given to them by Game Freak. Everything Pokemon do in the anime is lore-accurate.
Did you read the post? He was talking about it being able to transition from quadruped to a biped (since it’s apparently supposed to be able to do it). It genuinely doesn’t look like it’s capable of doing so.
Gen 5 was the first gen where I immediately boxed my starter as soon as I caught something else. They're all so goddamn ugly. At least gen 4 has Torterra.
Shiterra.
Torterra is objectively a better design than anything from Shitnova.
Ok shittnnoh fetus.
Genwunner actually, born in 91', grew up through Pokemania, but I'm not a retard who can't take off the rose-tinted glasses like unovabortions are and I recognize that gen 1 is a steaming pile of dogshit that barely works and that gen 4 is where the series peaked.
Fuck sinnoh and fuck you then, just like you hate unova, I hate hoenn and sinnoh shit.
>Genwunner
>barely works
Not a real genwunner, kys. The bugginess of gen 1 is largely overstated.
Most overhated starter trio, in my opinion. They have their charm.
Your tastes are GARBAGE
GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE
t. sinnoh fetus or hoenn baby
Your statement is true and your taste is great
I found them step back from Sinnoh but they do have a nice regal aesthetic.
Less bland than Johtos and less hideous than Galars for sure
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
luv snek
Gen 5 starters were the most horrid Pokémon designs for my 12 year old self. If 12 great old me had seen the Gen 8 or 9 starters, he would have given up on Pokémon entirely.
Don't know why anyone would enjoy jobmons
your 12 year old self was a retard
yes, but these were such a downgrade compared to the sinnoh starters
i wish the typings were: serperior grass/dragon, emboar fire/ground or fire/rock and samurott water/fighting
Who hates Serperior though?
Yeah they were terrible but at least they tried.
is it that absurd that a water pokemon based on an aquatic animal would function best in the water?
IF Samurott didn't evolve from two Pokemon who don't have that problem, it would be fine.
This is a silly argument. Even if you liked how the pre-evo did it, why would you expect a Water type to excel best in a non-aquatic setting? There are countless other options that are more optimized for terrestrial activities.
>why would you expect a Water type to excel best in a non-aquatic setting
Not that anon but, Blastoise doesn’t have this problem, Feraligatr doesn’t either, neither does Swampert, Empoleon, Greninja, Inteleon, or Quaquaval. Primarina is understandable since it doesn’t have legs at all, but Samurott is trying to have it’s cake and eat it too.
Empoleon's flippers are portrayed to be like solid metal and aren't flexible like real flippers.
How will it swim if it can't bend its limbs? And how does it use those "claws?"
Right. How is it supposed to travel on land? Penguins slide on their bellies, but Empoleon has something there that prevents that from being an option, making its design utterly gimped on both water and land.
I don't really get this argument, most starters are impractical when you think about it. Blastoise's cannon placements are awkward and would be hard to aim if they were real, but like... who cares. It's a turtle with cannons.
>Empoleon's flippers are portrayed to be like solid metal and aren't flexible like real flippers.
>Right. How is it supposed to travel on land? Penguins slide on their bellies, but Empoleon has something there that prevents that from being an option
Watching the video right now, here's what I'm seeing:
>flies in midair using magic water powers
>summons a tidal wave that pushes him in one direction using magic water powers.
OK, what I'm seeing is that Empoleon uses water powers to magic him around if he ever needs to move.
>more waves
>jumps up high and does a saumersault(???) that creates more waves (not possible with penguin proportions)
>creates tornado by moving flippers in slashing motion
It looks cool, props to the devs at Bandai Namco, but you're just telling me that Empoleon needs water magic powers and game engine physics to move. My statement still stands if we're discussing its design alone.
I mean, a water type using its water abilities to assist it in sliding/surfing over the ground isn’t too far of a stretch compared to a Pokémon the has a body plan that isn’t suited to swing a weapon that was made by beings with an entirely different body plan.
Finished watching the video, it doesn't answer the question of how Empoleon would move on land because it's always creating surf waves. Also, the water "carries" Empoleon. Empoleon doesn't actually swim in any of its animations.
>so I brought up other water types that still function fine on both land and water without issue.
Empoleon doesn't fit this criteria for reasons listed in other posts. The video linked had to summon a body of water for nearly all of its moves.
If we allow Pokemon powers, then every starter passes this test because they can just... create the water. In other words, if Empoleon is fine, then the controversial Samurott is fine, as we already agreed that Samurott's sword wielding would work better in a water-based environment.
>If we allow Pokemon powers, then every starter passes this test
Pokémon powers doesn’t alter literal physiology. You wouldn’t give a horse (or in this case a Rapidash) a sword and expect it to work. Quadrupeds simply do not wield swords effectively unless given the proper body plan to do so and Samurott currently doesn’t show that’s it’s capable of doing that in any smooth manner.
>as we already agreed that Samurott's sword wielding would work better in a water-based environment
Also never said this, nor agreed to it. I do believe Samurott is better suited to water than land, but not using its swords in the water as that would look very unnatural. It’s horn is actually better suited for that environment.
>Empoleon's flippers are portrayed to be like solid metal and aren't flexible like real flippers.
if we are to use this logic then no pokemon with steel body should be able to move but they do anyway
Is Dalamadur from HM a snake?
It has arms so idk.
https://www.britannica.com/animal/snake
>All snakes lack external limbs, but not all legless reptiles are snakes. Certain burrowing lizards may have only front or hind limbs or be completely legless.
By the definition of the real-world, no, it is NOT a snake.
>satan trips
>n-no bro this thing totally isn't a sssnake, trust me!
Why are you trying to deceive me Satan? You are the reason snakes lost their limbs.
I saw someone saying "jobmon" and I take this opportunity to say that jobmon is a retarded concept created by Ganker yes meowscarada has magician-like abilities but are you stupid enough to believe that it does it by profession in a circus?
It’s literally a case of dual autism
>Ganker refuses to remove the starter from their party because “muh Ash muh bros”
>Ganker wants all Pokemon to be wild animal stand ins even though that’s never been the case
>it’s dual autism to want objectively better starter design
It’s autism to think every Pokemon can’t be humanoid when that’s literally never been the case yes.
Nobody wants zero humanoid starters ever. People don’t want every starter since Chesnaught except two to be a humanoid, when before that point it wasn’t the norm. Greninja’s “popularity” obviously kickstarted true autism with starter design, which lies in the actual designs, not the fans.
>less popular starters is objectively better design because trust me bro
>the men in suits are more popular trust me bros!
and then pokemon that actually have jobs get ignored too
harsh truth
I just want to use this thread to say that Zacian in Unite looks so fucking stupid and makes me so glad they didn't do "sword in mouth" bullshit with Samurott regardless of its flaws
especially lategame when it gets fast autos and starts breaking its neck every half second
But people aren't complaining Samurott 'only LOGICALLY BIOLOGICALLY works underwater', they are discussing if it can pull off it's movements in a manner that feels natural visually. You are trying to drag it in a very silly very weak direction that unironically brings it to a "lol sry but no animal should be able to survive spewing lava so this makes no sense..." tier whinging
>if it can pull off it's movements in a manner that feels natural visually.
Which is not the case with Empoleon, unless a decently large body of water is around to carry it. We're basing this on the designs themselves after all.
Unless you think it extending its flippers forward like spears and charging forward would look natural. Or making use of its sharp edges and swinging them around like... a sword. Huh.
>Which is not the case with Empoleon
Yes it is. We have seen Empoleon walk and run around for long years, never saw anyone complain about it, and why would they? It has a basic bitch pear-shaped body type so many Pokemons already have.
Now, people saying Samurott looks awkward, that's a loooong constant
Whats with this autistic fixation its unable move with its blades when it has the powers to do this?
That’s the thing, I actually have no issue with Samurott using it’s horn like that. It actually does make sense compared to a quadruped attempting to wield blades. The problem is that the shell blades are the evolutionary line’s gimmick and not only that but within that same generation 4 other Pokemon were introduced using their horns as weapons for their gimmick, so that schtick is just bland comparatively.
If it makes it any better, Razor Shell was always a subpar move on this thing so your not using it wrong if you teach it a different Water move.
Razor Shell is still meant to be line's "signature move". In the lore, every member of the species knows and uses that move
Yes but in actual gameplay it’s not even one of it’s best moves, so why be fixated over how it uses that move when it’s not even it’s best move?
It’s literally the Pokemon’s gimmick, anon. The shell blades are what makes it unique, that’s why people fixate on the feature.
gamefreak also when on full idiot mode because it's stats
>samurai sea lion that fights with shell-swords
>special attacker lmao
the three got stinky stats though
>autistic fixation with its blades
Ask Game Freak.
just imagine it standing you schizoes
>b-b-but it looks r-retarded!!
No one proved this, as it’s entirely subjective
it looks retarded enough with those crooked legs
That’s just drawn crooked. Very strange cope. Try again.
>That’s just drawn crooked.
that's just how it's legs are
i suggest you to seethe harder samushitter
That’s how it’s legs are when it’s on all fours, so draw them instead how they appear when Samurott stands in the few official times that it does, like the Mantine fight posted ITT. Gees anon, did you crawl as a baby with your legs completely upright in their already-bipedal stance?
>anime
lel do samufags really?
Always thought they’re meant to be stylized flippers
Gen 5 starters are doghsit and forgettable
Dogshit*
I don't think they're forgettable, just because they're so thoroughly bad in multiple ways
like, you don't make starters this terrible unless you're actively trying.
right looks better than left
>Muh headcanon!
Stay wrong imbecile
>static image
Got anything of it’s 3D model actually walking on two legs and swinging it’s sword(s) while not looking terrible?
shut the fuck up you are WRONG
I’m not the anon you were replying to, sperg.
hunched standing doesn't make it any better
my dog can stand on two legs better than how samushit does
Sea Lions are close to Bears by the way.
Some other animals are close to Bears too, as well as Sea Lions. Doesn't mean those animals move or function the same way though.
funny enough bears are actually built to be quadruped/biped unlike sea lions