If its not a remake, then why are they remaking the game?
Oh yeah, so they can keep milking ff7 and split it into parts to charge $60-70 for each part. fricking rip off
Final Fantasy 7: Remake is a sequel to Final Fantasy 7. Remake describes the timeline being remade by Sephiroth in some weird time loop thing. Final Fantasy 7 already happened but the characters don't realize that.
>uhm, sweaty, it's not a remake,
??? >FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH is the highly anticipated new story in the FINAL FANTASY VII remake project
https://ffvii.square-enix-games.com/en-us/games/rebirth
Note the word order; that's not a description of the project's contents, it's the official designation for it. If you go to where they actually describe it (the FAQ at the bottom) you'll see that they opt to use "reimagine".
Its not about something as simple as "takes or doesnt take damage". In the original the nibelheim incident was just a big exposition that had no gameplay at all, and they used this to portray how strong sephiroth was. There are no cutscenes that can show how powerful he is.
In the remake however, they dont have to make do this 100% the same. At a gameplay level, sephiroth has maxed materias, is far faster than cloud, and does far more damage than cloud. But also they added cutscenes to show that hes a competent warrior that towers over cloud. Finally, they did it so the flashback section actually is playable and enjoyable. If you have an invincible sephiroth just one shooting everything it is not fun.
>If you have an invincible sephiroth just one shooting everything it is not fun
it would show a better understanding of the power gap if he did and be a true power fantasy for the player to one shot everything. Since it's only an hour long prologue it wouldn't hurt to keep his invincibility in the remake. There is no reason for Sephiroth to play the same as the other characters and giving him invincibility differentiates him from every other playable character and shows how different he really is
If Sephiroth has more skill they did a terrible job showing that power imbalance if Cloud can still keep up with him. You can't have me playing as the mighty Sephiroth and get knocked back by a Fiend in the opening gameplay segment.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Waaahh wahhhh the devs should play the game for me.
Man wtf Seph is massively OP in the demo. Maybe you just suck. It's not a big deal just try again. You'll get better and see. The dude is ridiculous you can literally just spam square and never get hit and everything blows up even the boss.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Waaahh wahhhh the devs should play the game for me
yes that is literally the point
3 months ago
Anonymous
The point is that Sephiroth is still shown to be strong. The way it's conveyed is better and through actual gameplay in the remake.
3 months ago
Anonymous
then they should have nerfed Cloud more
3 months ago
Anonymous
>sephiroth is still shown to be strong!
yeah having to slash little baby enemies 10000 times to get them to "stagger" he was shown to be a lunatic who sucks at this job and is on the same level of strength as some fricking 16 year old. For some fricking reason cloud is doing the same moronic acrobatics. They completely ruined this section of the game and everything its supposed to be about. Which is hilarious considering its a flashback detached from all the moronic retcons they did in the "present" time line.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rebirth Sephiroth is weaker than your present day team when they left Midgar in 7R, that's the biggest frick up on their part. In the OG even your present day Kalm team wasn't slinging Level 3 spells or was anywhere near level 50, but here all they did was have Sephiroth stronger than his immediate comparison in flashback Cloud, but in the grander scheme Sephiroth did nothing to seem vastly ahead of Cloud who was cutting flying everywhere and literally killing Fate. They took probably the best case of Show, Don't Tell in gaming history and made Sephiroth at his strongest in cutscenes and just average in gameplay. It's like they have no idea what made 7 good in the first place, and they made the fricking thing
3 months ago
Anonymous
It’s because the twist is Genesis
3 months ago
Anonymous
Who is universally panned as shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hey took probably the best case of Show, Don't Tell in gaming history and made Sephiroth at his strongest in cutscenes and just average in gameplay. It's like they have no idea what made 7 good in the first place, and they made the fricking thing
lol anon FF7 story was never more than mid. If you got easily impressed by a basic trope as worf effect that's on you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yet here you are defending an even worse interpretation of that while being unable to spell. You're moronic and should kys
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm defending good gameplay, which is king. The fact is filtering low-skill trannies such as you is proof is worth defending.
Gaming isn't for you troony, it's a mistake that you got in the hobby and now you're being gate-kept. Go read books.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're shilling a censored, altered, contaminated, abominable product, completely tainted and tonally removed from the original product's themes, values, and messages, and you're the one calling other people "troony"?
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread anymore.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You trannies are so overdramatic, holy moly.
Gameplay is king.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You got filtered by a TUTORIAL troony, what goes on in your hormone filled mind has no meaning. This thread exist to laugh at (you). Gameplay always wins in the end.
3 months ago
Anonymous
LOL
The entire flashback is ruined. One of the most iconic scenes in gaming, shit on just like that. These morons have no fricking clue what they're doing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is like complaining that Vergil can die in DMC instead of you actually playing the game well by styling on enemies. Sephiroth has literally every skill available to him to make him completely unbeatable, how the frick are you getting hit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
These shitters will never be swayed, they will blame their poor skill on anything but themselves because its all they have after 30 years of life.
It's sad, it really is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
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keep up.
i'm sorry you fail to realize how to properly do storytelling by subverting previously established game mechanics
here you go since you're still missing the point. also Ill beat your ass on most competitive games if you wanna throw down at any point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hope you're intentionally missing the point and not actually this dumb. Rebirth's flashback fails to effectively convey how powerful Sephiroth is. It doesn't leave the impression the original left by using the dragon fight. The flashback is the biggest reason people were impressed by Sephiroth in the original game, and they fricked it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The flashback is the biggest reason people were impressed by Sephiroth in the original game
and it's presented rather crudely. he looks like a silly little puppet 99% of the time and only looks badass in cutscenes/the one battle. his design and the character is what people like about him, not the crudely constructed sequence that is a chore to go through.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shut the frick up zoomoid.
3 months ago
Anonymous
have a nice day old man. video games have passed you by and you are still sitting here seething about them online 25 years later
>rapidly taps the shoulder buttons
Damn, this Sephiroth dude is deep.
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Sephiroth is so badass and scary in the OG
3 months ago
Anonymous
Seeing him fly away like that is eerie, yeah.
3 months ago
Anonymous
really? the flip makes it comical to me. i think it would be eerie if he just slowly rotated until horizontal then flew towards you
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're being rude, but you are correct that Sephiroth is badass and scary in the OG.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>throws a materia at your stomach >does a front flip in the air and flys offscreen
Never could take him seriously because of this scene, it's so ridiculous
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're being rude, but you are correct that Sephiroth is badass and scary in the OG.
he's a child on a tantrum, just like you
3 months ago
Anonymous
>rapidly taps the shoulder buttons
Damn, this Sephiroth dude is deep.
>troony thinks she knows what the game wants more than the actual creators
FF7 isn't yours troony. You will not gaslighting people into believing your woke trash.
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sephiroth's moveset is completely busted. It is the point. He's OP. It is very literally a skill issue.
Love how you homosexuals out yourselves as being dogshit at the game with every dig you make. Sephiroth is fricking busted in the demo.
Skill issue. My Sephiroth never took damage
These shitters will never be swayed, they will blame their poor skill on anything but themselves because its all they have after 30 years of life.
It's sad, it really is.
This thread really shows Yoship was right in putting all those accessories that made you invincible. FFbabies are so shit at games they're getting filtered by a TUTORIAL
3 months ago
Anonymous
Is a game journalist playing this? I agree with the post about Vergil. Dude one shots everything in every cutscene and is obscenely OP but every playable appearance is about doing insane combos as stylishly as possible because it's fun. On top of that his moveset is still obscenely broken compared to everyone else in the game. Exact same deal here.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>exact same deal here
Wrong, devil may cry is a good game and fun to play, ff7 is not. Big difference there
3 months ago
Anonymous
>every playable appearance is about doing insane combos as stylishly as possible because it's fun
its not fun you literally mash square until everything dies. what exactly is fun about it?
just make him absolutely destroy everything instantly like hes a lvl 99character in a lvl1 zone. This shit objectively doesnt make any sense. hes supposed to completely outclass cloud. not on a mechanical level, not on a gameplay level. on a power level level Hes fricking Ultra Instinct Goku fighting King Piccolo hes Gear 5 Luffy fighting Axe Hand.
Hes supposed to outclass everything, and this demo is doing a complete dis-service to that end. hes just another jobber in this game.
This would make sense for a character like Seifer in FF8 not Sephiroth no fricking way in hell. And were not going to discuss the homosexualy ass retcons that came out after 1997
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because that is mechanically dogshit to play. See the Vergil comparison. Just because they kill something in 1 hit in canon, doesn't mean you transfer 1:1 to gameplay, you have to make something a little more playable than that while still being OP and fun.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Gonna need some evidence on this moronic ass claim bud.
It was a pretty good expedition dump considering the first time you come out of Midgar you're hyped from all the shit that just went down.
In terms of pacing story/gameplay it did a great job. In terms of replay value, it had none. Also, having Sephiroth be mysterious, powerful, and nigh invincible is theme that makes the player want to know more. They shat the bed on this already, and now we have this homosexual JJ Abrams mystery box style story that they will inevitably tank with some incomprehensible gibberish.
>If you have an invincible sephiroth just one shooting everything it is not fun.
Having a much stronger character establish themselves by wrecking while in your party is a well established Final Fantasy and JRPG trope. Hell they do it twice in FFX with Auron in the stadium and Seymour on the beach. There are countless examples and it's kino every time.
no, its making him a sympathetic character, so when they reveal one of the Sephiroths floating around is actively trying to rid himself of Jenova's influence, it will be less of a shock. Been building to it since Crisis Core.
>moron STILL thinks this is a gameplay issue and not a storytelling issue
thats literally not the argument being had. It has absolutely nothing to do with skill and everything to do with storytelling.
But ofcourse you remake morons wouldnt know a decent story if it raped your anus two times from sunday.
>original >cloud has like 300 hit points >sephiroth deals like 3000 damage per attack
completely missed the point yeh >remake cloud >super sayajin air battles
Cait Sith is going to die instead of Aerith
Sora will appear and seal Jenova with the keyblade
Mickey will become corrupted and give Sephiroth the black materia
So what? Magic is not rare, and Cait Sith is mass produced. Unless they kill Reeve, Cait Sith lives on.
In all honesty though the Ancient Temple is the gayest part of FFVII. What the frick were they smoking when they wrote this subplot? The White/Black materia is already dumb as hell in its own right, but then this? Lord have mercy.
That wasn't an addition of Dirge, it's been the concept behind his character since early drafts. It just wasn't brought up anywhere but character bios in guidebooks.
The opening scene in front of the truck he doesn't even have a health bar, bro. Literally can't die. You're forced to play as him there and you can't lose just to show off what a fricking pimp he is. Later on he can be KO'd for the sake of showing you how party mechanics work because nibelheim is the tutorial section of the game.
This is like complaining that Vergil can die in DMC instead of you actually playing the game well by styling on enemies. Sephiroth has literally every skill available to him to make him completely unbeatable, how the frick are you getting hit.
I'm sorry that you do not understand how video games work when you receive damage when don't dodge.
Feel free to play it on easy mode.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i'm sorry you fail to realize how to properly do storytelling by subverting previously established game mechanics
3 months ago
Anonymous
>has a completely OP moveset complete with a instant teleport that insures you'll never be touched and access to every major spell in the game maxed out >Cloud has none of these things >this some how isn't storytelling through gameplay
3 months ago
Anonymous
correct. Thanks for understanding.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have you considered suicide?
3 months ago
Anonymous
why would I kill myself when I am completely right? Cloud being able to solo enemies as well as Sephiroth taking damage is completely wrong and Nomura is a hack fraud.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This shit was so much more kino than the slop they're releasing now >That dark and rainy atmosphere >Sephiroph is so insanely above everybody else in power that it's laughable
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's right. the more I let it stir in my head the more I realize the remake sacrifices Sephiroth's power level to humanize him. Sephiroth "needing" to do a dual limit break with Cloud to kill the demo boss was actually quite stupid. I never got the impression that he was holding back, he should be able do 2 shot everything but he actually can't, I can't compare flashback cloud to sephiroth when they're both comparable in damage output and taking damage. You should be seeing 0 damage on Sephiroth all the time in the flashback. Frick the bad limping moment and it had poor AI pathfinding.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you receive damage when don't dodge
you shouldn't receive damage if you're level/def is high enough, FF should be RPG not an action game
His moveset is busted. why doesnt he kill everything in 1 strike like he does when they exit the truck? hes not strong moveset doesnt mean shit hes flying all over the place the same as cloud.
The opening scene in front of the truck he doesn't even have a health bar, bro. Literally can't die. You're forced to play as him there and you can't lose just to show off what a fricking pimp he is. Later on he can be KO'd for the sake of showing you how party mechanics work because nibelheim is the tutorial section of the game.
>Cloud as a level 1 trash is much more powerful than Cloud 7 years later with mako and jenova augments >BBBBUT it's zack not cloud!!!!
It was a trash in the original either way.
Are you talking about him "beating" Sephiroth and throwing him into the bottom of the mako reactor? Did you forget how fricked up he was before he "beat" Sephiroth, or the fact that he was experimented on for 6 years?
The entire flashback is ruined. One of the most iconic scenes in gaming, shit on just like that. These morons have no fricking clue what they're doing.
>This shit makes zero sense
Unreliable narrator. Of course this part doesn't make sense. Cloud wasn't even awake for it. Because 30 seconds prior to this we saw Cloud pass out on the ground. Everything after his house exploded is Cloud's literal head canon.
So of course all the villagers are just going to stand there getting murdered and not fighting back. Because Cloud has deluded himself into thinking that's all anyone CAN do against Sephiroth.
I'm going to laugh if we get to the real flashback and it turns out everyone actually was fighting back and Sephiroth even took a few bullets.
just finished the hilarious demo
area designers extremely lazy 9 different boulders all clipping into each other
SPEED TREE ™ some of the laziest fricking tree assets that look like complete garbage.
the fricking pine trees have leaves going up into the air.
walk into clouds house (the same in other houses) 3 of the table chairs are interactable, 1 isnt. this seems to usually be the case inside buildings, half the nav meshes are so clunky its hard to walk around primitives most things have zero reaction to your player character, a bunch of cats in an alley way sit there doing nothing as you stomp all over them and use them as platforms. lmao
gameplay is the same slop from the last one press ■ 10000 million times and occasionally decide to do something else.
(15 mega potions lmao)
Sephiroth who in the original game was shown in this part of the story to be so strong he kills literally everything with a single slash of his sword, in the remake hes on the same level as "cloud" and has to slash enemies millions of times to do the same damage as cloud lmao.
the final cutscene 4 dudes walk upto sephiroth with guns and all of them walk closer dying one by one without firing a single round lol.
>Sephiroth who in the original game was shown in this part of the story to be so strong he kills literally everything with a single slash of his sword, in the remake hes on the same level as "cloud" and has to slash enemies millions of times to do the same damage as cloud lmao
Thematically that seems like an improvement. This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth. No need to show Sephiroth as crazy OP in those scenes
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
what a complete misunderstanding at what was being shown. Cloud was literally one shot by the dragon while Sephiroth did 3k damage in one hit. He wasn't supposed to be anywhere near his power.
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
What are you smoking. Hes literally a grunt compared to sephiroth in the OG.
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
I want secondaries to die.
Zack was actually comparable to Sephiroth though. Of course he's not as strong but neither is he outclassed completely in a ridiculous cartoony way. This flashback isn't really about Cloud you know so yeah it's supposed to show you a proper SOLDIER not some random shitter
Yes the original was obviously different you fricking moron. I know it's a change, I'm saying it's a change for the better because it better represents Zack and better represents what Cloud believes happened. No need to go UMMM ACTUALLY I know the story for fricks sake
3 months ago
Anonymous
>change for the better
but your completely wrong. Cloud knows he's no match for Sephiroth in the og and remake. God damn you're so fricking stupid.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cloud knows he's no match for Sephiroth in the og and remake
Well we already defeated him in 7R so no, I don't see why he would believe he's way stronger >BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS
Yeah I know what it was stop fricking saying that. We also didn't defeat Sephiroth in the original after leaving Midgar
>Of course he's not as strong but neither is he outclassed completely in a ridiculous cartoony way
Yes he is, literally just play crisis core for frick sake.
There are only 2 other people who aren't ridiculously outclassed by sephiroth, and they're genesis and angeal. That's it, nobody else in the entire world, everyone else is ridiculously outclassed and not even close.
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
What are you smoking. Hes literally a grunt compared to sephiroth in the OG.
Yeah but that's what this "flashback" is supposed to show you. Cloud didn't believe that he's a total shitter at that point in the story. He's not Sephiroth but he's still a strong SOLDIER, according to this "flashback"
>Cloud didn't believe that he's a total shitter at that point in the story. He's not Sephiroth but he's still a strong SOLDIER, according to this "flashback"
Your response?
>change for the better
but your completely wrong. Cloud knows he's no match for Sephiroth in the og and remake. God damn you're so fricking stupid.
Yeah that is what this flashback is supposed to represent. Cloud isn't telling a story of him being shit, he's telling a story of him being a strong SOLDIER. I'm not saying it's real but that's the story Cloud is telling at that point
Are the doomposters being forced to speak warmly of the kalm flashback in the OG now even though prior to rebirth it was universally known as THAT PART of ff7 since it was half an hour of the game playing itself and cutscenes?
Not looking good doomers, we need more pictures of yoshi-p looking sad ASAP.
The only people who think the Kalm flashback is "that part" are people replaying the game and have seen all the major story beats already. On a first playthrough it's amazing seeing Sephiroth for the first time and watching how busted he is, he's a glimpse of how strong you get in the lategame and is something you measure up your character progress against the entire game.
thats literally not the argument being had. It has absolutely nothing to do with skill and everything to do with storytelling.
But ofcourse you remake morons wouldnt know a decent story if it raped your anus two times from sunday.
This thread really shows Yoship was right in putting all those accessories that made you invincible. FFbabies are so shit at games they're getting filtered by a TUTORIAL
ITS NOT ABOUT SKILL. A FRICKING CHIMP COULD PLAY THIS KINGDOM HEARTS BULLSHIT. ITS ABOUT THE SUBTLY OF STORTELLING BEING CONVEYED THROUGH SCRIPTED GAMEPLAY BEING LOST. GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL.
All I want is Genesis and Angeal to show up then this circus I mean reunion will be complete. Seriously this’d “remake” project is not meant to be taken seriously it’s shit to the point of satire. The original is a masterpiece. Remake is woke revisionist excrement. I’m hoping rebirth murders remake and redeems it turning it into simply compilation slop. Fun stupid mentally moronic slop will always be better than woke aids infested excrement.
let's talk about the real issue here
they pronounced cait sith the moronic way (an american who doesn't know what a cait sith actually is and just tries to pronounce it phonetically in the new preview/trailer
instead of the wait cait sith is actually pronounced in reality
it's SUPPOSED to be pronounced ket-shee.
exactly like how banshee, another irish spirit, is originally spelled ben sith but was always pronounced ban-shee
I'm defending good gameplay, which is king. The fact is filtering low-skill trannies such as you is proof is worth defending.
Gaming isn't for you troony, it's a mistake that you got in the hobby and now you're being gate-kept. Go read books.
Because that 5 second long battle is used to effectively convey just how frighteningly powerful Sephiroth is, and does it far more effectively than Rebirth does. Rebirth then spends over half its runtime in cutscenes and forced walking segments rather than gameplay, unlike the original.
>And doesnt the remake also do that but now instead it requires the player to actually make it happen?
No, it doesn't. You control Sephiroth but he's just barely above Cloud and not even at the level you finished Remake at. He's weak. The flashback fails to convey what it's supposed to. All Remake and Rebirth do is force you to hold the control stick or the shoulder buttons down to slowly progress through scripted scenes instead of showing you a fricking cutscene. Which results in moronic shit like this
The entire flashback is ruined. One of the most iconic scenes in gaming, shit on just like that. These morons have no fricking clue what they're doing.
where Sephiroth has to wait for you to press the shoulder buttons before he kills the villagers just sitting on their asses in front of him. It's fricking ridiculous snoy movie game bullshit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>next gen wants realistic graphics >axe doing the work of a blunt stick
shit game
Cloud is an avatar for the player.
The player doesn't "play" Sephiroth.
The player wants to meet Sephiroth.
FF7 is the first major game that had the protagonist, the avatar of the player, be an unreliable narrator.
FF7 is the first major game where the antagonist, Sephiroth, is already dead by the time you fight him.
The entire point of FF7 is that you never fought WITH Sephiroth, never fought AGAINST Sephiroth, and you've been taken on a wild ride because of Cloud's delusions.
Making Sephiroth a controllable party member defeats the entire purpose of Sephiroth's character. Advent Children and its consequences have been a disaster for FF7, because all Sephiroth was in FF7 was a memory.
You got filtered by a TUTORIAL troony, what goes on in your hormone filled mind has no meaning. This thread exist to laugh at (you). Gameplay always wins in the end.
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>troony thinks she knows what the game wants more than the actual creators
FF7 isn't yours troony. You will not gaslighting people into believing your woke trash.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They're menu-sloppers anon. That's even worse than being a troony. Nomura and Yoshi-P calling them slurs messed up their tiny brains
having Sephiroth receive damage instantly puts him on the same level as Cloud completely ruining the power gap between them while also ruining the mystery to his power
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't just delete enemies while cloud flounders?
don't be shit
easy
3 months ago
Anonymous
According to some posters though he has an OP dodge that is more of a teleport, so if you get hit its sort of on you right?
Can you elaborate?
3 months ago
Anonymous
this guy already did
The OG used its gameplay to tell a great story
The remake is using its gameplay to tell a bad story.
Its not about skill, its not about mechanics.
this is one of the few cases where story outweighs any gameplay systems you can shove in there and do a bunch of flashy shit
Sephiroth kills a fricking dragon in 2 slashes.
He literally cannot kill a bug with all these new flashy weapons in his arsenal, he gets stunned and flinched over by tiny little monsters all for the sake of "getting to play as sephiroth"
it removes all the storytelling elements for a cheap gimmick without any of the gravitas of the original.
It's not that the old game plays itself, it's that the old game forces Sephiroth and Cloud to be compared side by side specifically because the Dragon takes two hits from Sephiroth and 1 hit from "Cloud" to die. That single segment shows that Sephiroth is so far beyond everyone else, that it's a death sentence trying to find him or face him in battle.
If you play the OG you're desperate to meet Sephiroth, and when you do you're met with a tremendous mindfrick that by the end of it you wonder if you've ever seen Sephiroth at all.
In the Demake, Sephiroth is shoved down your throat despite only having 4 inches on him, and you want him to just go away because of how fricking boring he is.
The OG used its gameplay to tell a great story
The remake is using its gameplay to tell a bad story.
Its not about skill, its not about mechanics.
this is one of the few cases where story outweighs any gameplay systems you can shove in there and do a bunch of flashy shit
Sephiroth kills a fricking dragon in 2 slashes.
He literally cannot kill a bug with all these new flashy weapons in his arsenal, he gets stunned and flinched over by tiny little monsters all for the sake of "getting to play as sephiroth"
it removes all the storytelling elements for a cheap gimmick without any of the gravitas of the original.
>this is one of the few cases where story outweighs any gameplay syste-
no it's not. That is NEVER the case. You are playing a video game. Not a video story. Video GAME. It's even in the title of this very board. Even story-driven games need GAMEPLAY to be considered good, otherwise what are we even doing here?
these 2 sides are at an impass, your side CATEGORICALLY does not want to play a game, we do. Perhaps you should move to Ganker or Ganker.
>except most of the OG FF7 game is mostly gameplay
and this part which is not is almost universally regarded as the part of the game which drags, I mean for gods sake man there's fricking mods and dedicated speedrun strats to skip the flashback, christ almighty see some sense, I'm begging you.
You just won't see it. You wont understand that people dont want a half hour interactive cutscene. And no amount of bad faith from you will ever prove that remake has anything half as egregious as the OG flashback. We're done here, I will play my game, you will watch your favourite youtuber talk about why that part was SO important. I feel sorry for wasting my time with the mentally ill.
3 months ago
Anonymous
FF7R has more filler content than the OG does. how can you even make that moronic ass argument.
The entire point is that this section is mostly for fricking stuory telling which you fricking made my point about people skipping it because its not gameplay related.
the whole fricking point is that this section is to show how much a fricking bad ass sephiroth is and the whole game upto this point was doing so by showing as little as possible while making him seem like an unmatched bad ass compared to the party up until this point.
How fricking moronic do you homosexuals need to be to not understand something so fricking basic.
You will spend more time in FF7R doing NON gameplay shit, are you gonna skip that too? no because youre a disingenuous homosexual. and the story is going to be 100x worse than the fricking mediocre FF7 OG.
THATS RIGHT THEY COULDNT EVEN GIVE A MEDIOCRE GAME JUSTICE
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You wont understand that people dont want a half hour interactive cutscene. And no amount of bad faith from you will ever prove that remake has anything half as egregious as the OG flashback.
Remake is full of half hour long interactive cutscenes. They appear constantly. The worst offender is Sector 5 where you just slowly hold the control stick forward while you walk through the slums listening to people say how great Aerith is for like two fricking hours straight. Oh, make sure you slide through the tight space! Oh, make sure you slowly creep forward and hold X to pick up the flowers! Frick you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
skill issue i beat the demo without sephiroth taking any damages.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>through the slums listening to people say how great Aerith is for like two fricking hours straight.
Cool, got a link for that? I'd love to see how skewed your perception of time is.
I'm done arguing with you fricking morons, go pay $70 like the good little drone you are.
I accept your concession.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not game play related, so it wouldn't interest you. Or have you suddenly changed your mind about wanting to watch cut scenes in video games?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cute, but it doesn't surprise me you can't actually link the 2 hour long scene of walking through sector 5 though. I wonder why?
Anytime you're ready though. I'm just waiting for a flight so I've got hours.
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh nonono.. anon... lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
You are, and you have been, and you continue to be hostile and willfully ignore what people are trying to convey to you for some reason. I'm not going to make any guesses because I don't know what you're going through right now, but you're currently in a mental state where you aren't processing what people are telling you.
I hope you have a nice flight. I hope that you get some rest, and calm down. Then, I hope you re-read the thread and comprehend what we're telling you.
>still no link
Black personhomosexuals LMAO
3 months ago
Anonymous
>still no link
?
either you don't have eyes or you're trolling. hope your plane is piloted by diversity hires btw.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Here's your gameplay bro.
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3 months ago
Anonymous
Cool so just a brief skip through your timestamp shows around 10-12 minutes between picking flowers and getting back into some gameplay. That's a bit more appropriate than 2 hours or even half an hour, no?
oh nonono.. anon... lmao
Anytime you're ready for that link.
[...]
You are, and you have been, and you continue to be hostile and willfully ignore what people are trying to convey to you for some reason. I'm not going to make any guesses because I don't know what you're going through right now, but you're currently in a mental state where you aren't processing what people are telling you.
I hope you have a nice flight. I hope that you get some rest, and calm down. Then, I hope you re-read the thread and comprehend what we're telling you.
I'm just wanting evidence for your arguments, and so far all I can see is you people confusing 10-12 minutes for 2-3 hours. I thought if you people were this passionate about the game you would have something concrete?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>your timestamp shows around 10-12 minutes between picking flowers and getting back into some gameplay.
And how long does the gameplay last before another forced walking segment?
3 months ago
Anonymous
nice goalposts moron.
i accept your concession
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what we're discussing, but nice attempt at pivoting. We're actually just trying to see if remake has any windows of non-interactivity that are longer than the OG flashback right now. So if you have a clip of 30 minutes+ of straight walking with no interruptions I would love to see it 🙂
Didn't you both already move the goalposts from what the point is of having Sephiroth do big damage and take no damage to redefining gameplay as holding forward on the analog stick and pressing square every few minutes?
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what we're discussing, but nice attempt at pivoting. We're actually just trying to see if remake has any windows of non-interactivity that are longer than the OG flashback right now. So if you have a clip of 30 minutes+ of straight walking with no interruptions I would love to see it 🙂
3 months ago
Anonymous
The original FF7 has a 20 minute long cutscene segment to fill you in on Sephiroth before then leading into several hours of uninterrupted gameplay until you get to Junon.
Remake is a cycle of 5 minutes of slow forced walking > hold X to push a button or pick something up > do two trash mob encounters > squeeze through a tight space > slow forced walk segment for another 5 minutes > 5 minute long cutscene > boss fight > 15 minute long cutscene > repeat
3 months ago
Anonymous
How long is the tutorial in the remake?
How long is it compared to the flashback sequence in the original, subtracting all of the cut scenes you loathe?
3 months ago
Anonymous
you spend 10 minutes vacuuming idk.its ok modders will fix it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
For me it was 2 hours long, but packed with a neat balance of story and gameplay, including the opportunity to play Sephiroth myself and establish his overpowering nature through my own agency as a player. Anything else?
Anytime you're ready with that link as well, cheers.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sephiroth gameplay is really fun. Imagine that. Having fun with Sephiroth? Truly this ruins his characterization. If he doesn't one shot everything, he's not an interesting character. Yeah. His backstory and motivations don't matter. His design doesn't matter. All that matters is how he is depicted as a le super scary tough guy extraordinare.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Truly this ruins his characterization.
glad you agree.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see the confusion now.
I'm a purist. I don't like Advent Children. I don't like Sephiroth and Cloud being homosexual lovers with a love/kill relationship, as if Sephiroth is some yandere stalker. What appealed to FF7, for me, was that Sephiroth doesn't even know who Cloud is. In flashbacks, Cloud is just a grunt, who pretends that he was Zack back them. In the present, Sephiroth is long since dead and taken over by Jenova. That's pretty cool to me, from a narrative point.
If you like playing as boss characters, there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. But Sephiroth isn't Vergil. He's not supposed to be playable, because he is only a memory in FF7. In the flashback, he's portrayed how Cloud imagines him based on what he witnessed, and in the present, he's portrayed how Jenova recreates him to suit their own desires. You're not playing as Sephiroth. You're playing as someone else's toy. If you're okay with that, great. I'm not, because that's not FF7.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Finally, someone that is somewhat reasonable. That's perfectly fine, what you appreciate from FF7 is different from what I appreciate.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Final Fantasy 7 isn't a toy
it's literally a childrens video game from the Playstation 1 you gigantic moronic baby. Grow the frick up and put your big boy pants on.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say that FF7 isn't a toy, I said that FF7R Sephiroth is someone else's toy. He's not a permanent party member you can build a team around, he's not a benchmark test to help you realize just how much more power Cloud needs to get to the end game, and he's not a unit you helped build in the first place. He's just... there. And you control him for no reason other than the fact that he's there, because he doesn't do his cool stuff until you get permission from the toy's owner to do it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm a purist >thinks sephiroth is dead and it's Jenova
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's correct.
3 months ago
Anonymous
But even the game itself says it wasn't Jenova. Hojo tells you this in the northern cave when you find out Sephiroth refused to be diffused into the lifestream and used his willpower and decided to use Jenova for his own ends. Hojo's entire hypothesis about the reunion was about them all gathering to Sephiroth because he was controlling them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sephiroth just became Jenova's brain. He died, but his will and Jenova formed a symbiotic relationship. Sephiroth and Jenova are the same entity post-Nibelheim.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is not stated anywhere and every single line of text states the opposite. I don't care about your headcanon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Sephiroth instantly goes crazy as soon as he's near Jenova >Sephiroth just suddenly has the same goal as Jenova
Just coincidence, right?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nice theory, I don't care. If it's never been stated anywhere in canon, then and in fact, stated as the opposite, then you're a fricking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I can pick and choose what is canon based on whether or not I enjoyed it
3 months ago
Anonymous
I have no idea what you're even talking about now. If it's canon it's canon. If it's not it's not. I'm sorry your theory is just a theory that ended up being wrong.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm NTA. I'm mocking the fact that people who obsess over canon will not and do not accept the new games as canon. things like Crisis Core.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Congrats, you can now hate FF7R with the rest of us, because it IS canon that Jenova was brain dead the entire time and Sephiroth took over!
There are mods for the flashback because people who are using mods have already completed the game and know the story. If your next argument is, "Everyone knows the FF7 story so the Remake is doing the right thing by letting people play as Sephiroth," my response is why not just mod out the entire section and get back to the gameplay that will actually progress your party?
The original has gameplay, a lot of it. Gameplay that isn't constantly interrupted by three hours of being forced to slowly walk around at a snail's pace while characters talk about completely useless shit.
Cool, can you link me a 3-hour video where there is no gameplay besides walking in remake? 3 straight hours is your claim. I'm sure you have it on bookmark on youtube right? Hell I'll even take 30 minutes since thats how you long you go through the interactive cutscene that is the OG flashback.
I'll be waiting.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you can be sarcastic about the original game, which is an objectively amazing product, we can be hyperbolic about the Demake, which is an objectively average product.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not being sarcastic about the original game, I loved the original game and likely played it before you were even shot out of your dads nutsack. But the flashback is objectively the worst part of the game because it is close to 30 minutes of straight up not playing the game.
Still waiting for that youtube link by the way, anytime you're ready.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cute, but it doesn't surprise me you can't actually link the 2 hour long scene of walking through sector 5 though. I wonder why?
Anytime you're ready though. I'm just waiting for a flight so I've got hours.
You are, and you have been, and you continue to be hostile and willfully ignore what people are trying to convey to you for some reason. I'm not going to make any guesses because I don't know what you're going through right now, but you're currently in a mental state where you aren't processing what people are telling you.
I hope you have a nice flight. I hope that you get some rest, and calm down. Then, I hope you re-read the thread and comprehend what we're telling you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You are, and you have been, and you continue to be hostile and willfully ignore what people are trying to convey to you for some reason. I'm not going to make any guesses because I don't know what you're going through right now, but you're currently in a mental state where you aren't processing what people are telling you.
how fricking ironic, you pieces of shit are the most narrow minded out of anyone.
You're not arguing in good faith. Which is more impressive:
1) Having a party member comparable to your protagonist be a future boss fight;
2) Having your protagonist be temporarily paired with a busted character to show that you basically have no chance of defeating them in a boss fight.
Which of these two better conveys the game's current and future states, and will require the most engagement from the player?
>The OG used its gameplay to tell a great story >The remake is using its gameplay to tell a bad story.
I mean this isn't true
Og used its gameplay as part of its story telling
Remake, like all modern games basically besides yoko taro games or souls games to some extent, is using its gameplay to do nothing. Its story and gameplay are separate, it never uses its gameplay to tell any story or make any impact, it always resorts to fricking cutscenes, endless exposition or makes you hit r2 to crawl around whilst things happen. You're not actually helpless in gameplay, you're helpless in shitty qte cutscenes because the game simply forces you to be and takes away all your options so they can make their 'point' which inevitably falls flat because they're clowns.
I find it funny to see the Remake having to now take cues from all the spin-off crap that came after FF7.
Zack was not some battle hardened SOLDIER, he was new, and acted like a kid with some new shiny toys. All that Crisis Core shit was such a giant retcon, that the flashback had to be changed.
Zack had to have been given 1st class the moment he graduated from whatever SOLDIER academy Shinra was doing.
He was only 16-17 years old, and Shinra pretty much ruled over the world without any strong opposition.
it's hilarious how you keep ruining your argument. The reason he is scary is because the storytelling makes him that way with set pieces like
i'm sorry you fail to realize how to properly do storytelling by subverting previously established game mechanics
You're still so focused on Sephiroth having to look like a badass with his flashy Rebirth moves that you can't comprehend that storytelling is conveyed through more than just graphics and character design.
Are they going to answer why Tifa and her father were even at the reactor in the first place? It's not supposed to be important, but it's one of those things that just seems random when you think about it.
you fat ugly fricking nerds sit on this website and cry about how Sephiroth is ruined? okay. that's cool. doesn't mean we have to care what you think. doesn't mean anyone has to agree because you're obsessed with the way things were.
no shit, they're moronic what did you expect
instead of making sephiroth look insane by having him equipped with all + level 3 spells in every slot and hitting for 3000+ with a basic attack when you're hitting for 100, they will instead not do that and spend 60 minutes trying to make him look impressive through cutscenes or dialogue instead which wont work, takes a million times longer and is infinitely less effective
Lets be real, were not gonna convince some 80 IQ morons about their mashing square button gameplay master piece who paid $150 for two versions of a game that did it better in 97'
Only literal homosexuals care about any version of sephiroth after OG, especially since Sephiroth exists to cater to fujos. The character, like most things from the original game, was ruined. No surprise that it happened again
Well, OG flashback enjoyers have been thoroughly blown the frick out. I'll know to just ask for video proof next time I see them lambast 7R as being a movie game.
it is objectively more fun to play a game than to not play a game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I would rather not play Russian Roulette, but you do you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, and you spend more time playing the game in the original as opposed to Remake where you spend half the time in slow forced walking segments.
3 months ago
Anonymous
but anon, you did not play the demo.
maybe you didn't play the OG either, since everyone knows the original flashback is quite literally nothing but a "forced walking segment", whatever that means.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>since everyone knows the original flashback is quite literally nothing but a "forced walking segment"
It's one segment in the entire game, and it's shorter than any of the dozens of forced walking segments in Remake. You don't actually like gameplay.
I would love to have fun gameplay with Cid and Vincent but unfortunately they have been removed and any ability to interact with them outside of a cutscene has been revoked. Adding in playable sephiroth just to make him shit is a mindnumbingly stupid decision, even for homosexuals who defend Rebirth, because this objectively means you get less characters to play as and less time to use them. Instead of arguing why flashback sephiroth in rebirth is good, you should ask yourself why those resources weren't utilized on things that actually matter, like making playable characters playable and including rocket town.
Normies of this generation haven't experienced a good story in a game ever in their lives. Should we honestly be surprised when one could presented to them and they outright reject it?
Its not the fault of the morons, its the fault of the designers and money men.
The morons are gonna play this and go omg septiroanth! coool, bite their lower lip while pressing their fat fingers against the green discolored PS5 controller and shit/piss themselves for 100+ hours of mediocre gameplay.
It's so fricking stupid that the characters talk about how dark it is in the slums and how they need the sun lamps for light. Except it's perfectly sunny and the sun lamps only come on at night.
>It's Always Sunny in Sector Seven >The Gang Goes Jihad >You gotta pay the friendzone toll to get inside Cloud's soul >So I started castin' >That right there are the cells, can we talk about the cells? I've been dyin' to talk to you about the cells. Jenova. This name keeps comin' up over and over again. Every day Jenova's cells are getting sent back to me. Jenova. Jenova. This whole library is Jenova. So I say to myself "I gotta find this guy, I've gotta go into the reactor, put his cells in the guy's goddamn hands otherwise he's never gonna get it and they're gonna keep comin' down here." So I go up to Jenova's containment tube and what do I found out? I am Jenova. My mother does not exist. So I decide "Oh shit buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper." There's no Jenova? You gotta be kiddin' me, I got books full of Jenova. So I start marchin' my way Hojo in R&D and I knock on his door and say "HOJO, HOJO! I GOTTA TALK TO YOU ABOUT JENOVA!" And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office. There is no Hojo in R&D. Cloud, half the employees at Shinra have been made up. This company's a goddamn ghost town.
No, some things in Remake are good, like Zagan introduction. I think Roche is a fun new character too that fits really well in the setting. Jessie's back story was pretty good too. And most of the OST is really well done. Combats are a lot of fun and the characterisation is top notch, probably Remake's biggest forte.
Everything else is garbage.
All you idiots ever say about the combat is "its fun" where are you idiots getting this from, what exactly is fun about it, you just fricking mash buttons like a bad fighting game. this shit is devoid of any actual interesting interactions, engagements or situtational awareness for the player characters. FFXII LLG takes way more skill and is way more fun than this fricking dog shit. PLEASE provide a fricking argument because I don't fricking see it.
Why was Sephiroth portrayed as a creepy sex pervert before he went insane? They should have combined Zack and Sephiroth to form a new character, called Sephiroth. Keep all the same plot elements. Cloud's identity crisis can now be tied more directly to his status as a Clone, and to Sephiroth's heroic disposition before his tragic fall. I don't fricking get it, they gave him the stupid ass wing motif and everything, but there's no fall. He's just a gay butthole from the start.
Sephiroth's "fall" is believing he's nothing more than an alien rape baby, and all of his accomplishments are meaningless. The fight with Zack was to show that Sephiroth has fallen, and it's why he walks through the flames of Nibelheim, to show his "descent into Hell". He wasn't a creepy sex pervert, but rather an idol, legend, and superstar that would even tell pop magazines his hair care secrets.
>He wasn't a creepy sex pervert, but rather an idol, legend, and superstar that would even tell pop magazines his hair care secrets.
Okay... but he doesn't act like it, at all. Not in the original game, or Remake for that matter. Obviously I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but in reality Sephiroth's character is never well established at all. Cloud has a few lines referencing his supposed personality, but it's the complete antithesis during the flashback.
Despite his amount of screentime, there's nothing for the player to connect with. All we have to go on are characters telling us how a character was, which is either not shown or blatantly contradictory.
It's like two different people wrote this story and didn't compare notes.
That was EXACTLY the point. What we, the player, are presented with is Cloud's interpretation of Sephiroth, and Cloud isn't a reliable narrator. We have no idea what Sephiroth used to be like other than from what other people tell Cloud, or rather us, the audience. We don't get to see his fall from grace beyond what happens in Nibelheim. We don't feel the magnitude of his actions beyond the fact that he's attempting to use Meteor. What made Sephiroth so unsettling as an antagonist is that his and Cloud's relationship were so far removed from each other. He wasn't a childhood friend, he wasn't a faithful mentor, he was just... some guy. A popular, strong, heroic guy, but "just" a guy in relation to Cloud, just as Cloud was just a grunt to Sephiroth.
The thing is, in the OG, Cloud remembers that SOLDIERs weren't marvel superheroes. In rebirth they want to make his old self literally Zack, on par with Sephi (which Zack more or less was at this point) so they gave him this kingdom hearts gameplay.
But in the OG, Cloud himself is at a loss when he has to explain how the frick he could have won against Sephiroth in the reactor, he knows perfectly well he was getting one-shot by that dragon that dealt zero damage to Sephi... It's a huge mystery that he cannot answer himself. Which will be completely gone in Rebirth.
That's the issue. Though it seems obvious the identity reveal won't be as important in Rebirth... clearly they're expecting the player to already know about it, that's not what their big twist will be about, I suppose...
you wrote all that shit to realize the speculation is pointless because you're talking about an old script.
we don't know what the twists will be. that's the point. that's the reason they worked all the fanboys into a seething shoot with the jannies. whether they like it or not, now, nobody knows what is in store for the characters anymore.
yeah dude I love Final Fantasy 7 Remake Rebirth I already paid $70 I'm gonna pay $70 again!
And im gonna get the delucks edition and im gonna suck nomuras tiny wiener and let him coom on my PS5 disc tray so that it stops working and I have to buy everything all over again. I love corporations!
>that's the point!!!
The point is that they want to sell less games? >we dont know what's in store for them
Nothing apparently, given Cid and Vincent aren't playable.
>rebirth Sephiroth has every max spell, an op moveset, and a instant teleport that insures you'll never be touched >"nooooooo it didn't convey how strong he is AIEEEEEEE"
Purist Black folk need to be killed.
>every max spell, an op moveset, and a instant teleport that insures you'll never be touched
I had that at the end of Remake, so what's special about this?
>rebirth sephiroth doesn't have 9999 health
A single number shows the power disparity between them. You could have even had it with the things you listed.
"nooooo they didn't need to"
They didn't need to make him playable at all.
"Then it wouldn't be fun to play as him"
The OP stuff makes him trivial to use anyway so it won't make a difference. What it does impact is how it illustrates using 4 numbers, regardless of player skill, how much better he is.
>he thinks it won't sell well
holy frick, if you considered this the most mindless goyslop in the world you'd have to realize that'd just mean it's going to sell more to the normies
Normies don't buy final fantasy games, they don't even know what they are. FF is held together by the same people thinking "Well this one cant be as bad as the last one" and it finds a way to be worse
>why is Mario fun? you just fricking jump like a bad Nintendo game. this shit is devoid of any actual interesting interactions, engagements or situational awareness for player characters.
Mario has interesting mechanics regarding his jump speed, jump arc and the enemies he can jump on or not jump on have different properties that allow mario to combo other enemies like using a shell from koopas or other mechanics for mario to progress through the game.
alright now explain FF7's combat and how its engaging. Use as many words and examples as you want.
Mario has interesting mechanics regarding his jump speed, jump arc and the enemies he can jump on or not jump on have different properties that allow mario to combo other enemies like using a shell from koopas or other mechanics for mario to progress through the game.
alright now explain FF7's combat and how its engaging. Use as many words and examples as you want.
didn't read
This perfectly sums up the people in here arguing their moronation in bad faith
because there is a sun. that's clearly obvious in the original game. but because Midgar is dark, that means there cannot be any sunlight visible in the world of a deranged, mindbroken cultist who spend every waking hour shitposting about 7R
Are remaketards absolutely fricking moronic? The entire point of the church is that it's the only place where sunlight reaches from a small crack in the plate. It also metaphorically implies that sun (life) follows wherever Aeris is, to add to the theme that she's a saint. The remaining 99% of Midgar is sun-less, which makes the one part it's not more beautiful in comparison.
Unbelievable, this place has completely tanked in IQ.
>there is only ONE crack in ONE plate in all of Midgar despite the outside wall to Sector 5 being transparent >this small crack is only big enough to illuminate the church only and there is no other way that the sun can possibly illuminate anywhere else
you are so stupid god damn
It used to be that Sephiroth lost his mind and was running purely on Jenova cell instinct. It used to be that Jenova's cells were in control the entire time because Sephiroth lost his will after learning what Hojo had done. It used to be that Cloud and Sephiroth never even met, and that's what made their entire conflict so disturbing.
He does that purely to mess with Cloud. He knows exactly who Cloud is but he wants to gaslight him into believing he never existed and was just some experiment Hojo created. He picks and chooses which parts of the truth he'll tell him based on what he remembers and what Tifa has told him in order to completely frick up his mind and the mental image he's constructed of himself. There was never a moment where he didn't actually know who Cloud was. The first time you go to the northern cave he makes it abundantly clear.
>did not play the original game
makes sense
Sephiroth is constantly fricking with Clouds sanity and he directly tells him that he isn't real. This is in the OG
3 months ago
Anonymous
what the frick are you even talking about. Sephiroth gaslighting Cloud is one of most consistent things Sephiroth does. Tifa screaming and Cloud not to listen to him because Sephiroth was giving him half truths to break him is a huge part of the first time you go to the northern cave and it's what breaks him eventually and makes him hand over the black materia.
Tifa was the one gaslighting Cloud you morons, or did you forget where she refused to be honest when Sephiroth made Cloud revisit Nibelheim?
3 months ago
Anonymous
what the frick are you even talking about. Sephiroth gaslighting Cloud is one of most consistent things Sephiroth does. Tifa screaming and Cloud not to listen to him because Sephiroth was giving him half truths to break him is a huge part of the first time you go to the northern cave and it's what breaks him eventually and makes him hand over the black materia.
Skill issue. Mine didn't take any damage
If you didn't improve 30 years after playing the original then that's entirely on you. You should maybe grow up and get good
I don't care about the low poly walls, bad lighting and Sephiroth getting turbo nerfed.
But seeing Nibelheim full of Black folk and having to push a mako vaccuum for 10 minutes doesn't sit right with me.
>new fans
If anything that shit game turned more people away from the series. I have no idea when people started thinking that slop was good. Dirge of Cerberus is better.
the OG was shit you just walk around and RPG the enemies to death, I get to mash square until my thumb is sore and scroll tiktok/ig in the remake. Also I paid $200 for both games so that means its more better.
>I get to mash square until my thumb is sore and scroll tiktok/ig in the remake. Also I paid $200 for both games so that means its more better.
le basé
>noooo there are lamps in Sector 7 and that means there is no sunlight in Sector 7 despite the game clearly showing us arrive in Sector 7 at night time which would explain why there are lamps on
Yes, in the Sector 5 screen we see that it's very dark and lit up by the lights around the area. It feels like night in a grungy part of town. Then the next screen over has sunlight. This is because the slums are dark, gloomy hellholes but Aerith being an Ancient brings light and life to where she resides. There is not sun at Aerith's house and the church because all the slums get natural light, they don't. It's magical.
How are Aerith and her mom not hated for living in a garden mansion while every other Sec5 shlub lives in a tin shack. (or at least feel guilty for it)
If youre triggered by those flowers youre gonna hate this image. >that lightbulb >that grass
And honestly it seems most of the texture "effort" went into the characters, but the game has its moments, and I enjoy it.
What the frick are these geriatric old fools at Square doing. He's supposed to two shot the largest fricking enemy seen in the game at that point. absolutely left a bad taste in my mouth from the offset. How the frick do you logically come to the conclusion the huge dragon needs to be replaced by two small lizards.
No he didn't he gives him a good fight and weakens him enough for npc Cloud to finish the job.
in reality Rebirth is actually more internally consistent than the original because if Cloud was imagining Zack then obviously Zack should have been able to stand alongside Sephiroth against enemies. Cloud remembering himself as weak doesn't make a lot of sense if we are supposed to believe that he was actually Zack. We know Zack was SOLDIER 1st class just like Sephiroth.
It makes 100% internal sense that they would be a similar level.
I do think he should have been at least lvl 50
He wasn't much of a character until the spin offs so they probally didn't think about it then.
This thread is basically >It's different so it sucks
Anyway
not sure how much it matters how much of a character he was, he was still SOLDIER 1st class and throughout OG this is presented as being a big deal. I mean, how else are you on a mission with Sephiroth?
it doesn't make sense for Zack to be weak. just because Sephiroth was able to knock him aside doesn't mean he is some slouch getting 1 shot killed.
so the criticism of the original not being faithfully represented in Rebirth really falls flat in my opinion
The original was not faithfully represented. Crisis Core was represented, they aren't the same thing. >It doesn't make sense for Zack to be weak
Compared to Sephiroth, he is. The only reason you think otherwise is because of Crisis Core. Zack is actually the guy who got shot to death by a single random grunt, so no, he's not standing toe to toe with Sephiroth in any circumstance.
Sephiroth got thrown off a building by a random grunt they are even.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Apparently not, given Sephiroth is alive and zack is wormfood
3 months ago
Anonymous
> the random grunt happens to be his clone in moron strength mode
Not so random.
Not so grunt.
Zack >Tired after just got done taking down Sepiroth and Genesis the 2 most powerful characters in FF7 canon along with hundreds of endless npc soldiers after carrying his buddy Cloud hundreds of miles after hojo experiments on him for years and 1 one of them gets a lucky shot
Vs
Sepiroth >AAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEE PLEASE DON'T HURT ME ANYMORE ZACK SOMEONE HELP! >Sigh fine okay Cloud you can finish him off
3 months ago
Anonymous
>retcons
I literally don't care about your fricking retcons nomura. go shart out another KH game
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lucky shot
Spoken like a true loser
Kys Sephiroth
Post Yfw Sephiroth is a weak pathetic incel loser getting taken down by Chad first class.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Zack >dead somewhere, forgotten, anally eviscerated by homosexual sephiroth
Cloud >kills sephiroth(zack failed at this) >gets to midgar(zack failed at this) >becomes a mercenary(zack failed at this) >fricks aeris(zack failed at this)
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>dead somewhere
Where?
Nice try Sephiroth.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lucky shot
Spoken like a true loser
3 months ago
Anonymous
> the random grunt happens to be his clone in moron strength mode
Not so random.
Not so grunt.
3 months ago
Anonymous
when the frick did this happen
3 months ago
Anonymous
picrel
>you take control of sephiroth briefly
Instead of doing that, why not use the resources to make Cid and Vincent playable in the 50 hour slopfest?
Cid was always even more on the even more chopping block than Tifa's beautiful bazangas and any humor the Honey Bee Inn had to offer. Vincent is a bit more of a mystery to me. His berserk mode gameplay might be redundant to an ARPG. Also I suspect they might retcon his backstory for reasons I can only speculate at right now.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the dragoon on the chopping block
Rebirth fans are so strange, for a bunch of people who like the gameplay they're certainly against having more of it and in different styles. Even if they change cids story(bad idea to given he's one of the stronger character arcs in the game), making him unplayable is silly. But I guess they need to sell a third game somehow.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Don't look at me. They axed my two favorite party members and gave me even less of a reason to play.
3 months ago
Anonymous
We were robbed. Convinced moments like this aren't going to happen in the third game at all
3 months ago
Anonymous
lol
Yeah, that is the bad part. All they had to do to not frick this up was just do what the first game did but with better graphics in the battles and cutscenes. They could have left the over world more or less as-is even.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Convinced moments like this aren't going to happen in the third game at all
Ok doomer
3 months ago
Anonymous
My dude. They've already fricked up so many small-but-important things.
You're forgetting that Cloud is an unreliable narrator. Him doing 14 damage compared to Sephiroth's 3,000 isn't meant to convey that Cloud, or rather Zack, was weak. It was meant to convey that Sephiroth is so fricking absurdly powerful he MAKES Zach look weak in comparison. That's why playing as Sephiroth is stupid.
My headcanon reason he's weak in the original game is because he's imagining himself in the place of Zack instead of the actual Zack but in remake he is imagining himself as actual Zack.
in reality Rebirth is actually more internally consistent than the original because if Cloud was imagining Zack then obviously Zack should have been able to stand alongside Sephiroth against enemies. Cloud remembering himself as weak doesn't make a lot of sense if we are supposed to believe that he was actually Zack. We know Zack was SOLDIER 1st class just like Sephiroth.
It makes 100% internal sense that they would be a similar level.
No, because >Zack got bodied by Sephiroth, Cloud knows this even though he's placing himself in Zack's shoes >he knows he's the one who killed Sephiroth despite thinking he's also Zack, which adds a level of confusion to his story because he knows he shouldn't have been able to do it and can't remember how it went down
Rebirth's flashback was basically fan service for Crisis Core fans so it's no coincidence that only morons who like zack, homosexual sephiroth, bad storytelling, and bad combat come out of the woodwork to defend it.
I was unpleasantly surprised when they brought back Nero and Weiss(the gay incest brothers)for intergrade, so it's very likely those two are coming back as well.
Original game had too many parts "up to the player's interpretation"... They used to do that shit often back then, so obviously autists will fight it out.
Your bottom image is taken during night time, which is the only time the lamps are on. My proof is the flower, which Cloud only gets from Aerith at night and gives to Tifa when he returns to Sector 7, still at night.
Your bottom image is taken during night time, which is the only time the lamps are on. My proof is the flower, which Cloud only gets from Aerith at night and gives to Tifa when he returns to Sector 7, still at night.
And here's an image of that train station during the day. Natural light.
Not him but this is exactly how I played Remake. I started out utilizing the more fluid, action-oriented mechanics but pretty quickly realized there's no real point. The game isn't balanced well enough to warrant taking the piss and pretending that 98% of the "Action" isn't just in the command animations, same as every other iteration in the franchise.
There's no genuine interaction with the enemy like in games like Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Soulsborne, The Witcher 3, Assassin's Creed, Skyrim, etc...
You're merely attacking the space they inhabit. The only timing required is when to heal. There are a few enemies who have AOE attacks which you can dodge, but as I mentioned before, it's pointless because of how underpowered enemies are. Also dodging AOEs functions the same as it did in FFXII, except now it has an awkward diving animation.
Only time the combat has a chance to shine is in the VR boss fights, or occasionally on Hard Mode. The latter of which you have to unlock via beat- I mean watching the game on Normal Mode.
VIIR is absolutely braindead. Both in gameplay and storytelling.
You can copy-paste almost all of that to XV, with minor exceptions.
Square cannot develop video games. After VII's critical and commercial success in innovating everything but gameplay, they gave up entirely. Can't say I blame them. Clearly there's a market for delusion. Why not exploit it?
You only briefly take control of Sephiroth in VII just to show how vastly he overpowers you and the rest of your party. (And waste time trying to figure out how to equip Masamune.)
Because making 1 character playable in a very small section of the game is massively different from making 2 playable characters in the rest of the game. moron
Yes, it's different in the sense that wasting development time on a character with unique limits and mechanics that are only utilized for an hour of gameplay instead of an actual character that would be around for ten times as long is silly. That's a symptom of the backwards development the game has though
This would be more excusable if it was a younger generation of developers trying to emulate the original. But no, you actually have the old guard who worked on the original involved with this remake and it still came out like this.
I am starting to strongly believe that making video games is the equivalent of drawing. The individuals who made video games in the 90s are like the most famous Japanese mangaka who got their start with paper and ink in the 90s, but can't draw worth a damn in a program on a pad. Sure, the game devs have more tools and better tech, but they have no idea how to use any of it. They're fossils who can't adapt.
Cloud gets injected with Jenova cells by Hojo leading to him having his mind broken and reconstructed by Jenova forming a persona based on the memories he has of Zack and Tifa, Sephiroth takes advantage of this when his will is manifested through Jenova in FF7
The word clone was a mistranslation, it was supposed to be copies. As in, Hojo was trying to recreate what he achieved with Sephiroth and failed miserably each time.
Wait, is that what that anon was implying? That Cloud is being rewritten as a literal Sephiroth lookalike?
I mean I know the sameface is an issue, but surely this isn't the intention... have Elena and Tifa been seen together?
Does anybody have any theories on what the frick Sephiroth wants in this new timeline? Is his primary purpose really just to be The Joker to Cloud's Batman?
Sephiroth can exert his will over Cloud due to the Jenova cells, just as he can control all the clones. Even after Cloud discovers the truth of his past, Sephiroth can still influence him, as he does for the final fight in the game.
Cait sith is a radio controlled animatronic that reeve made Reeve also makes animatronics of himself for Cait Sith to control. But they're very clearly robotic(The reeve animatronic is shot and is metal inside)
i don't know how to tell you this but robots can exist independently from the people who control them. Why not show the clip where Reeve and CIt Sith are sharing the same gestures and walking the same? It happens way before the scene you posted.
....No? You tried to imply that theyre movement being similar in a previous cutscene means something when it doesnt, since obviously they can move independently.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And anyway hes not robot, hes a stuffed doll given life.
>0:50
Don't even need to watch the rest of it to know he's going to spend the next 38 minutes describing exactly how I felt while playing VIIR. All that bullshit padding to market it as a full-length title when it was really a 2015 tech demo with fifteen hours of cutscenes slapped on. Fifteen hours, to tell a story that could be wrapped up in ninety minutes with competent writers and somebody to edit it. And I'm not just talking about Midgar, I mean FFVII's entire story only has ninety minutes of thematic story and characterization.
uhm, sweaty, it's not a remake, that's been established since 7R came out..
If its not a remake, then why are they remaking the game?
Oh yeah, so they can keep milking ff7 and split it into parts to charge $60-70 for each part. fricking rip off
> then why are they remaking the game?
They are RE making the game
Final Fantasy 7: Remake is a sequel to Final Fantasy 7. Remake describes the timeline being remade by Sephiroth in some weird time loop thing. Final Fantasy 7 already happened but the characters don't realize that.
>Final Fantasy 7 already happened but the characters don't realize that.
Lucky.
>remake is not a remake
we call that a scam
>uhm, sweaty, it's not a remake,
???
>FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH is the highly anticipated new story in the FINAL FANTASY VII remake project
https://ffvii.square-enix-games.com/en-us/games/rebirth
Note the word order; that's not a description of the project's contents, it's the official designation for it. If you go to where they actually describe it (the FAQ at the bottom) you'll see that they opt to use "reimagine".
Square are still desperately trying to tell you it's a "faithful remake"
they're slimey Black folk, they really think they're fans are fricking stupid...
and they're right. but they're fans are dwindling.
Whaaa why? That’s gay
You are the one who missed the point, actually.
no I actually didn't. Sephiroth getting staggered and hurt by a random enemy is actively ruining his characterization.
Its not about something as simple as "takes or doesnt take damage". In the original the nibelheim incident was just a big exposition that had no gameplay at all, and they used this to portray how strong sephiroth was. There are no cutscenes that can show how powerful he is.
In the remake however, they dont have to make do this 100% the same. At a gameplay level, sephiroth has maxed materias, is far faster than cloud, and does far more damage than cloud. But also they added cutscenes to show that hes a competent warrior that towers over cloud. Finally, they did it so the flashback section actually is playable and enjoyable. If you have an invincible sephiroth just one shooting everything it is not fun.
>If you have an invincible sephiroth just one shooting everything it is not fun
it would show a better understanding of the power gap if he did and be a true power fantasy for the player to one shot everything. Since it's only an hour long prologue it wouldn't hurt to keep his invincibility in the remake. There is no reason for Sephiroth to play the same as the other characters and giving him invincibility differentiates him from every other playable character and shows how different he really is
He is differentiated by being the character with the highest skill ceiling in the game.
If Sephiroth has more skill they did a terrible job showing that power imbalance if Cloud can still keep up with him. You can't have me playing as the mighty Sephiroth and get knocked back by a Fiend in the opening gameplay segment.
Waaahh wahhhh the devs should play the game for me.
Man wtf Seph is massively OP in the demo. Maybe you just suck. It's not a big deal just try again. You'll get better and see. The dude is ridiculous you can literally just spam square and never get hit and everything blows up even the boss.
>Waaahh wahhhh the devs should play the game for me
yes that is literally the point
The point is that Sephiroth is still shown to be strong. The way it's conveyed is better and through actual gameplay in the remake.
then they should have nerfed Cloud more
>sephiroth is still shown to be strong!
yeah having to slash little baby enemies 10000 times to get them to "stagger" he was shown to be a lunatic who sucks at this job and is on the same level of strength as some fricking 16 year old. For some fricking reason cloud is doing the same moronic acrobatics. They completely ruined this section of the game and everything its supposed to be about. Which is hilarious considering its a flashback detached from all the moronic retcons they did in the "present" time line.
Rebirth Sephiroth is weaker than your present day team when they left Midgar in 7R, that's the biggest frick up on their part. In the OG even your present day Kalm team wasn't slinging Level 3 spells or was anywhere near level 50, but here all they did was have Sephiroth stronger than his immediate comparison in flashback Cloud, but in the grander scheme Sephiroth did nothing to seem vastly ahead of Cloud who was cutting flying everywhere and literally killing Fate. They took probably the best case of Show, Don't Tell in gaming history and made Sephiroth at his strongest in cutscenes and just average in gameplay. It's like they have no idea what made 7 good in the first place, and they made the fricking thing
It’s because the twist is Genesis
Who is universally panned as shit
>hey took probably the best case of Show, Don't Tell in gaming history and made Sephiroth at his strongest in cutscenes and just average in gameplay. It's like they have no idea what made 7 good in the first place, and they made the fricking thing
lol anon FF7 story was never more than mid. If you got easily impressed by a basic trope as worf effect that's on you.
Yet here you are defending an even worse interpretation of that while being unable to spell. You're moronic and should kys
I'm defending good gameplay, which is king. The fact is filtering low-skill trannies such as you is proof is worth defending.
Gaming isn't for you troony, it's a mistake that you got in the hobby and now you're being gate-kept. Go read books.
You're shilling a censored, altered, contaminated, abominable product, completely tainted and tonally removed from the original product's themes, values, and messages, and you're the one calling other people "troony"?
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread anymore.
You trannies are so overdramatic, holy moly.
Gameplay is king.
You got filtered by a TUTORIAL troony, what goes on in your hormone filled mind has no meaning. This thread exist to laugh at (you). Gameplay always wins in the end.
LOL
This is like complaining that Vergil can die in DMC instead of you actually playing the game well by styling on enemies. Sephiroth has literally every skill available to him to make him completely unbeatable, how the frick are you getting hit.
These shitters will never be swayed, they will blame their poor skill on anything but themselves because its all they have after 30 years of life.
It's sad, it really is.
here you go since you're still missing the point. also Ill beat your ass on most competitive games if you wanna throw down at any point.
I hope you're intentionally missing the point and not actually this dumb. Rebirth's flashback fails to effectively convey how powerful Sephiroth is. It doesn't leave the impression the original left by using the dragon fight. The flashback is the biggest reason people were impressed by Sephiroth in the original game, and they fricked it.
>The flashback is the biggest reason people were impressed by Sephiroth in the original game
and it's presented rather crudely. he looks like a silly little puppet 99% of the time and only looks badass in cutscenes/the one battle. his design and the character is what people like about him, not the crudely constructed sequence that is a chore to go through.
Shut the frick up zoomoid.
have a nice day old man. video games have passed you by and you are still sitting here seething about them online 25 years later
Sephiroth is so badass and scary in the OG
Seeing him fly away like that is eerie, yeah.
really? the flip makes it comical to me. i think it would be eerie if he just slowly rotated until horizontal then flew towards you
You're being rude, but you are correct that Sephiroth is badass and scary in the OG.
>throws a materia at your stomach
>does a front flip in the air and flys offscreen
Never could take him seriously because of this scene, it's so ridiculous
he's a child on a tantrum, just like you
>rapidly taps the shoulder buttons
Damn, this Sephiroth dude is deep.
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread.
Is a game journalist playing this? I agree with the post about Vergil. Dude one shots everything in every cutscene and is obscenely OP but every playable appearance is about doing insane combos as stylishly as possible because it's fun. On top of that his moveset is still obscenely broken compared to everyone else in the game. Exact same deal here.
>exact same deal here
Wrong, devil may cry is a good game and fun to play, ff7 is not. Big difference there
>every playable appearance is about doing insane combos as stylishly as possible because it's fun
its not fun you literally mash square until everything dies. what exactly is fun about it?
just make him absolutely destroy everything instantly like hes a lvl 99character in a lvl1 zone. This shit objectively doesnt make any sense. hes supposed to completely outclass cloud. not on a mechanical level, not on a gameplay level. on a power level level Hes fricking Ultra Instinct Goku fighting King Piccolo hes Gear 5 Luffy fighting Axe Hand.
Hes supposed to outclass everything, and this demo is doing a complete dis-service to that end. hes just another jobber in this game.
This would make sense for a character like Seifer in FF8 not Sephiroth no fricking way in hell. And were not going to discuss the homosexualy ass retcons that came out after 1997
Because that is mechanically dogshit to play. See the Vergil comparison. Just because they kill something in 1 hit in canon, doesn't mean you transfer 1:1 to gameplay, you have to make something a little more playable than that while still being OP and fun.
Gonna need some evidence on this moronic ass claim bud.
It was a pretty good expedition dump considering the first time you come out of Midgar you're hyped from all the shit that just went down.
In terms of pacing story/gameplay it did a great job. In terms of replay value, it had none. Also, having Sephiroth be mysterious, powerful, and nigh invincible is theme that makes the player want to know more. They shat the bed on this already, and now we have this homosexual JJ Abrams mystery box style story that they will inevitably tank with some incomprehensible gibberish.
That's all the more reason for the flashback to be brief and to the point. The problem is that the remake doesn't value brevity.
>If you have an invincible sephiroth just one shooting everything it is not fun.
Having a much stronger character establish themselves by wrecking while in your party is a well established Final Fantasy and JRPG trope. Hell they do it twice in FFX with Auron in the stadium and Seymour on the beach. There are countless examples and it's kino every time.
he doesn't just delete enemies while cloud flounders?
G A Y
no, its making him a sympathetic character, so when they reveal one of the Sephiroths floating around is actively trying to rid himself of Jenova's influence, it will be less of a shock. Been building to it since Crisis Core.
Skill issue. My Sephiroth never took damage
keep up.
DAMN Zack lookin sexy
time booboos > time jannies
>original
>cloud has like 300 hit points
>sephiroth deals like 3000 damage per attack
completely missed the point yeh
>remake cloud
>super sayajin air battles
Cait Sith is going to die instead of Aerith
Sora will appear and seal Jenova with the keyblade
Mickey will become corrupted and give Sephiroth the black materia
No, both Aerith and Cloud die, and are replaced with their Terrierverse counterparts when the worlds merge.
>Cait Sith
>He doesn't know
Cait Sith already "dies" in the original.
>Cait Sith is going to die instead of Aerith
Cait Sith is an animatronic being operated long distance by Reeve in Midgar.
>he doesn't know the Dirge of Cerberus lore
It's not an animatronic. Reeve actually has a magical power to bring objects to life.
So what? Magic is not rare, and Cait Sith is mass produced. Unless they kill Reeve, Cait Sith lives on.
In all honesty though the Ancient Temple is the gayest part of FFVII. What the frick were they smoking when they wrote this subplot? The White/Black materia is already dumb as hell in its own right, but then this? Lord have mercy.
That wasn't an addition of Dirge, it's been the concept behind his character since early drafts. It just wasn't brought up anywhere but character bios in guidebooks.
So why do we even need the flashback at this point?
It's not a real recollection of those events anyway.
It's cloud being a schizo so why should it conform to any rules established before.
Also skill issue.
>get gud
not the point
completely the point when the entire sequence is being retold by an unreliable narrator
Sephiroth's moveset is completely busted. It is the point. He's OP. It is very literally a skill issue.
A Sephiroth that falls on his clumsy ass is not my Sephiroth. Sorry Rebirth shill.
I'm sorry that you do not understand how video games work when you receive damage when don't dodge.
Feel free to play it on easy mode.
i'm sorry you fail to realize how to properly do storytelling by subverting previously established game mechanics
>has a completely OP moveset complete with a instant teleport that insures you'll never be touched and access to every major spell in the game maxed out
>Cloud has none of these things
>this some how isn't storytelling through gameplay
correct. Thanks for understanding.
Have you considered suicide?
why would I kill myself when I am completely right? Cloud being able to solo enemies as well as Sephiroth taking damage is completely wrong and Nomura is a hack fraud.
This shit was so much more kino than the slop they're releasing now
>That dark and rainy atmosphere
>Sephiroph is so insanely above everybody else in power that it's laughable
He's right. the more I let it stir in my head the more I realize the remake sacrifices Sephiroth's power level to humanize him. Sephiroth "needing" to do a dual limit break with Cloud to kill the demo boss was actually quite stupid. I never got the impression that he was holding back, he should be able do 2 shot everything but he actually can't, I can't compare flashback cloud to sephiroth when they're both comparable in damage output and taking damage. You should be seeing 0 damage on Sephiroth all the time in the flashback. Frick the bad limping moment and it had poor AI pathfinding.
>you receive damage when don't dodge
you shouldn't receive damage if you're level/def is high enough, FF should be RPG not an action game
The devs gave you a OP character and you're failing to use it
Go back to souls shit, you're not welcome here
>still failing to see the point
We all see your deflecting your inadequecies. ff7 is a game, not a visual novel
Skill issue. Your gameplay isn't canon.
His moveset is busted. why doesnt he kill everything in 1 strike like he does when they exit the truck? hes not strong moveset doesnt mean shit hes flying all over the place the same as cloud.
>Sephiroth takes damage in the flashback
Only if you're bad at the game
The opening scene in front of the truck he doesn't even have a health bar, bro. Literally can't die. You're forced to play as him there and you can't lose just to show off what a fricking pimp he is. Later on he can be KO'd for the sake of showing you how party mechanics work because nibelheim is the tutorial section of the game.
>Cloud as a level 1 trash is much more powerful than Cloud 7 years later with mako and jenova augments
>BBBBUT it's zack not cloud!!!!
It was a trash in the original either way.
why didnt cloud get powerleveled from that kill?
Are you talking about him "beating" Sephiroth and throwing him into the bottom of the mako reactor? Did you forget how fricked up he was before he "beat" Sephiroth, or the fact that he was experimented on for 6 years?
The entire flashback is ruined. One of the most iconic scenes in gaming, shit on just like that. These morons have no fricking clue what they're doing.
This shit makes zero sense
>This shit makes zero sense
Unreliable narrator. Of course this part doesn't make sense. Cloud wasn't even awake for it. Because 30 seconds prior to this we saw Cloud pass out on the ground. Everything after his house exploded is Cloud's literal head canon.
So of course all the villagers are just going to stand there getting murdered and not fighting back. Because Cloud has deluded himself into thinking that's all anyone CAN do against Sephiroth.
I'm going to laugh if we get to the real flashback and it turns out everyone actually was fighting back and Sephiroth even took a few bullets.
This is Spiderman stuck under a Fridge tier shitslop.
just finished the hilarious demo
area designers extremely lazy 9 different boulders all clipping into each other
SPEED TREE ™ some of the laziest fricking tree assets that look like complete garbage.
the fricking pine trees have leaves going up into the air.
walk into clouds house (the same in other houses) 3 of the table chairs are interactable, 1 isnt. this seems to usually be the case inside buildings, half the nav meshes are so clunky its hard to walk around primitives most things have zero reaction to your player character, a bunch of cats in an alley way sit there doing nothing as you stomp all over them and use them as platforms. lmao
gameplay is the same slop from the last one press ■ 10000 million times and occasionally decide to do something else.
(15 mega potions lmao)
Sephiroth who in the original game was shown in this part of the story to be so strong he kills literally everything with a single slash of his sword, in the remake hes on the same level as "cloud" and has to slash enemies millions of times to do the same damage as cloud lmao.
the final cutscene 4 dudes walk upto sephiroth with guns and all of them walk closer dying one by one without firing a single round lol.
>Sephiroth who in the original game was shown in this part of the story to be so strong he kills literally everything with a single slash of his sword, in the remake hes on the same level as "cloud" and has to slash enemies millions of times to do the same damage as cloud lmao
Thematically that seems like an improvement. This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth. No need to show Sephiroth as crazy OP in those scenes
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
what a complete misunderstanding at what was being shown. Cloud was literally one shot by the dragon while Sephiroth did 3k damage in one hit. He wasn't supposed to be anywhere near his power.
Zack was actually comparable to Sephiroth though. Of course he's not as strong but neither is he outclassed completely in a ridiculous cartoony way. This flashback isn't really about Cloud you know so yeah it's supposed to show you a proper SOLDIER not some random shitter
>Zack was actually comparable to Sephiroth though
ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME THING? ZACK/CLOUD WAS A SHITTER COMPARED TO SEPHIROTH THAT IS THE POINT
Yes the original was obviously different you fricking moron. I know it's a change, I'm saying it's a change for the better because it better represents Zack and better represents what Cloud believes happened. No need to go UMMM ACTUALLY I know the story for fricks sake
>change for the better
but your completely wrong. Cloud knows he's no match for Sephiroth in the og and remake. God damn you're so fricking stupid.
>Cloud knows he's no match for Sephiroth in the og and remake
Well we already defeated him in 7R so no, I don't see why he would believe he's way stronger
>BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS
Yeah I know what it was stop fricking saying that. We also didn't defeat Sephiroth in the original after leaving Midgar
>Of course he's not as strong but neither is he outclassed completely in a ridiculous cartoony way
Yes he is, literally just play crisis core for frick sake.
There are only 2 other people who aren't ridiculously outclassed by sephiroth, and they're genesis and angeal. That's it, nobody else in the entire world, everyone else is ridiculously outclassed and not even close.
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
What are you smoking. Hes literally a grunt compared to sephiroth in the OG.
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER on a level that's at least a little close to Sephiroth
I want secondaries to die.
>This flashback was supposed to show that Cloud was a proper SOLDIER
Cloud was never a SOLDIER
Yeah but that's what this "flashback" is supposed to show you. Cloud didn't believe that he's a total shitter at that point in the story. He's not Sephiroth but he's still a strong SOLDIER, according to this "flashback"
Thats worse storytelling
can you post a webm of sephiroth getting his ass beat by a random insect in the remake.
That's not Cloud anon
What do you think those quotes around flashback are for? Zack isn't that weak at that point which is exactly what I'm trying to convey to you morons
>Cloud didn't believe that he's a total shitter at that point in the story. He's not Sephiroth but he's still a strong SOLDIER, according to this "flashback"
Your response?
lol
Yeah that is what this flashback is supposed to represent. Cloud isn't telling a story of him being shit, he's telling a story of him being a strong SOLDIER. I'm not saying it's real but that's the story Cloud is telling at that point
Are the doomposters being forced to speak warmly of the kalm flashback in the OG now even though prior to rebirth it was universally known as THAT PART of ff7 since it was half an hour of the game playing itself and cutscenes?
Not looking good doomers, we need more pictures of yoshi-p looking sad ASAP.
The only people who think the Kalm flashback is "that part" are people replaying the game and have seen all the major story beats already. On a first playthrough it's amazing seeing Sephiroth for the first time and watching how busted he is, he's a glimpse of how strong you get in the lategame and is something you measure up your character progress against the entire game.
Love how you homosexuals out yourselves as being dogshit at the game with every dig you make. Sephiroth is fricking busted in the demo.
>moron STILL thinks this is a gameplay issue and not a storytelling issue
thats literally not the argument being had. It has absolutely nothing to do with skill and everything to do with storytelling.
But ofcourse you remake morons wouldnt know a decent story if it raped your anus two times from sunday.
Stupid elden ringtard.
its because he's joining the party later
>people can't cope with how boring Sniffelheim is
Remind that you have to do it twice in the full game
The voice acting is shit
I miss the fricking dragon and it 1 hitting cloud while Seph kills it with 2 crit hits.
Also, why is Cloud lvl 40?! He should be like lvl 1!!! Seph should be the game max of 70.
This thread really shows Yoship was right in putting all those accessories that made you invincible. FFbabies are so shit at games they're getting filtered by a TUTORIAL
HEY moron
HEY
ITS NOT ABOUT SKILL. A FRICKING CHIMP COULD PLAY THIS KINGDOM HEARTS BULLSHIT. ITS ABOUT THE SUBTLY OF STORTELLING BEING CONVEYED THROUGH SCRIPTED GAMEPLAY BEING LOST. GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL.
Dude the defenders of remake are woke npcs. They lack soul and reasoning.
Absolute, FF games are easy as shit. It's the biggest problem with 16.
VIIR and FFO being hard filtered most of them
All I want is Genesis and Angeal to show up then this circus I mean reunion will be complete. Seriously this’d “remake” project is not meant to be taken seriously it’s shit to the point of satire. The original is a masterpiece. Remake is woke revisionist excrement. I’m hoping rebirth murders remake and redeems it turning it into simply compilation slop. Fun stupid mentally moronic slop will always be better than woke aids infested excrement.
It's getting mad that its getting called out for being dogshit at games. Fricking lmao.
Imagine getting hit when your dodge is a 10 metre teleport dash with no cooldown. Couldnt be me.
let's talk about the real issue here
they pronounced cait sith the moronic way (an american who doesn't know what a cait sith actually is and just tries to pronounce it phonetically in the new preview/trailer
instead of the wait cait sith is actually pronounced in reality
it's SUPPOSED to be pronounced ket-shee.
exactly like how banshee, another irish spirit, is originally spelled ben sith but was always pronounced ban-shee
It's a game. A game. Remember what those are? I dont want to watch Sephiroth play the game for me. I want to play Sephiroth and carve up.
Fricking losers.
>OP gets outed as being shit at the game and starts to sperg once called oit
kek we have a journo with us today boys
New to the series, so from what I gather if I want a visual novel I play the OG, and if I want a game I play the remake?
Cheers
The opposite.
>I'm defending good gameplay, which is king
kek
But then why is someone here trying to argue for a section of the old game that plays itself?
Can you elaborate?
Because that 5 second long battle is used to effectively convey just how frighteningly powerful Sephiroth is, and does it far more effectively than Rebirth does. Rebirth then spends over half its runtime in cutscenes and forced walking segments rather than gameplay, unlike the original.
And doesnt the remake also do that but now instead it requires the player to actually make it happen? Whats the problem here, can you elaborate?
>And doesnt the remake also do that but now instead it requires the player to actually make it happen?
No, it doesn't. You control Sephiroth but he's just barely above Cloud and not even at the level you finished Remake at. He's weak. The flashback fails to convey what it's supposed to. All Remake and Rebirth do is force you to hold the control stick or the shoulder buttons down to slowly progress through scripted scenes instead of showing you a fricking cutscene. Which results in moronic shit like this
where Sephiroth has to wait for you to press the shoulder buttons before he kills the villagers just sitting on their asses in front of him. It's fricking ridiculous snoy movie game bullshit.
>next gen wants realistic graphics
>axe doing the work of a blunt stick
shit game
Cloud is an avatar for the player.
The player doesn't "play" Sephiroth.
The player wants to meet Sephiroth.
FF7 is the first major game that had the protagonist, the avatar of the player, be an unreliable narrator.
FF7 is the first major game where the antagonist, Sephiroth, is already dead by the time you fight him.
The entire point of FF7 is that you never fought WITH Sephiroth, never fought AGAINST Sephiroth, and you've been taken on a wild ride because of Cloud's delusions.
Making Sephiroth a controllable party member defeats the entire purpose of Sephiroth's character. Advent Children and its consequences have been a disaster for FF7, because all Sephiroth was in FF7 was a memory.
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread.
>troony thinks she knows what the game wants more than the actual creators
FF7 isn't yours troony. You will not gaslighting people into believing your woke trash.
They're menu-sloppers anon. That's even worse than being a troony. Nomura and Yoshi-P calling them slurs messed up their tiny brains
having Sephiroth receive damage instantly puts him on the same level as Cloud completely ruining the power gap between them while also ruining the mystery to his power
>he doesn't just delete enemies while cloud flounders?
don't be shit
easy
According to some posters though he has an OP dodge that is more of a teleport, so if you get hit its sort of on you right?
Can you elaborate?
this guy already did
It's not that the old game plays itself, it's that the old game forces Sephiroth and Cloud to be compared side by side specifically because the Dragon takes two hits from Sephiroth and 1 hit from "Cloud" to die. That single segment shows that Sephiroth is so far beyond everyone else, that it's a death sentence trying to find him or face him in battle.
Do NOT reply to anyone in this thread.
Fun fact, even this basic minigame requires more skill than this
What even went through their mind when they thought of putting this trash in the demo???
Its funnier when you realize theyre shit at making character controllers and its not only tedious but handles poorly.
>Janny hallway cleaning simulator.
>Even Tifa and Sephie wants the padding to be over.
If you play the OG you're desperate to meet Sephiroth, and when you do you're met with a tremendous mindfrick that by the end of it you wonder if you've ever seen Sephiroth at all.
In the Demake, Sephiroth is shoved down your throat despite only having 4 inches on him, and you want him to just go away because of how fricking boring he is.
This.
Although I still replay remake, because the world/characters/music make it so comfy. plus the combat is really enjoyable
Inaccurate memory
Cloud has it in his memory that whoever is playing Sephiroth is shit at the game
>clouds own headcanon is that OP sucks balls at playing the game
Maybe thats why its panties are in a twist, lol
Uh oh don't get a hernia Cloud!
>gameplay is king
The OG used its gameplay to tell a great story
The remake is using its gameplay to tell a bad story.
Its not about skill, its not about mechanics.
this is one of the few cases where story outweighs any gameplay systems you can shove in there and do a bunch of flashy shit
Sephiroth kills a fricking dragon in 2 slashes.
He literally cannot kill a bug with all these new flashy weapons in his arsenal, he gets stunned and flinched over by tiny little monsters all for the sake of "getting to play as sephiroth"
it removes all the storytelling elements for a cheap gimmick without any of the gravitas of the original.
>this is one of the few cases where story outweighs any gameplay syste-
no it's not. That is NEVER the case. You are playing a video game. Not a video story. Video GAME. It's even in the title of this very board. Even story-driven games need GAMEPLAY to be considered good, otherwise what are we even doing here?
these 2 sides are at an impass, your side CATEGORICALLY does not want to play a game, we do. Perhaps you should move to Ganker or Ganker.
except most of the OG FF7 game is mostly gameplay,
FF7 remake is mostly not gameplay and the story is worse.
So whats your argument for making this "iconic" segment of the game and story worse. And ruining sephiroth's characterization.
>except most of the OG FF7 game is mostly gameplay
and this part which is not is almost universally regarded as the part of the game which drags, I mean for gods sake man there's fricking mods and dedicated speedrun strats to skip the flashback, christ almighty see some sense, I'm begging you.
hey moronic homosexual, you just made my point.
You just won't see it. You wont understand that people dont want a half hour interactive cutscene. And no amount of bad faith from you will ever prove that remake has anything half as egregious as the OG flashback. We're done here, I will play my game, you will watch your favourite youtuber talk about why that part was SO important. I feel sorry for wasting my time with the mentally ill.
FF7R has more filler content than the OG does. how can you even make that moronic ass argument.
The entire point is that this section is mostly for fricking stuory telling which you fricking made my point about people skipping it because its not gameplay related.
the whole fricking point is that this section is to show how much a fricking bad ass sephiroth is and the whole game upto this point was doing so by showing as little as possible while making him seem like an unmatched bad ass compared to the party up until this point.
How fricking moronic do you homosexuals need to be to not understand something so fricking basic.
You will spend more time in FF7R doing NON gameplay shit, are you gonna skip that too? no because youre a disingenuous homosexual. and the story is going to be 100x worse than the fricking mediocre FF7 OG.
THATS RIGHT THEY COULDNT EVEN GIVE A MEDIOCRE GAME JUSTICE
>You wont understand that people dont want a half hour interactive cutscene. And no amount of bad faith from you will ever prove that remake has anything half as egregious as the OG flashback.
Remake is full of half hour long interactive cutscenes. They appear constantly. The worst offender is Sector 5 where you just slowly hold the control stick forward while you walk through the slums listening to people say how great Aerith is for like two fricking hours straight. Oh, make sure you slide through the tight space! Oh, make sure you slowly creep forward and hold X to pick up the flowers! Frick you.
skill issue i beat the demo without sephiroth taking any damages.
>through the slums listening to people say how great Aerith is for like two fricking hours straight.
Cool, got a link for that? I'd love to see how skewed your perception of time is.
I accept your concession.
It's not game play related, so it wouldn't interest you. Or have you suddenly changed your mind about wanting to watch cut scenes in video games?
Cute, but it doesn't surprise me you can't actually link the 2 hour long scene of walking through sector 5 though. I wonder why?
Anytime you're ready though. I'm just waiting for a flight so I've got hours.
oh nonono.. anon... lmao
>still no link
Black personhomosexuals LMAO
>still no link
?
either you don't have eyes or you're trolling. hope your plane is piloted by diversity hires btw.
Here's your gameplay bro.
?t=29773
Cool so just a brief skip through your timestamp shows around 10-12 minutes between picking flowers and getting back into some gameplay. That's a bit more appropriate than 2 hours or even half an hour, no?
Anytime you're ready for that link.
I'm just wanting evidence for your arguments, and so far all I can see is you people confusing 10-12 minutes for 2-3 hours. I thought if you people were this passionate about the game you would have something concrete?
>your timestamp shows around 10-12 minutes between picking flowers and getting back into some gameplay.
And how long does the gameplay last before another forced walking segment?
nice goalposts moron.
i accept your concession
Didn't you both already move the goalposts from what the point is of having Sephiroth do big damage and take no damage to redefining gameplay as holding forward on the analog stick and pressing square every few minutes?
That's not what we're discussing, but nice attempt at pivoting. We're actually just trying to see if remake has any windows of non-interactivity that are longer than the OG flashback right now. So if you have a clip of 30 minutes+ of straight walking with no interruptions I would love to see it 🙂
The original FF7 has a 20 minute long cutscene segment to fill you in on Sephiroth before then leading into several hours of uninterrupted gameplay until you get to Junon.
Remake is a cycle of 5 minutes of slow forced walking > hold X to push a button or pick something up > do two trash mob encounters > squeeze through a tight space > slow forced walk segment for another 5 minutes > 5 minute long cutscene > boss fight > 15 minute long cutscene > repeat
How long is the tutorial in the remake?
How long is it compared to the flashback sequence in the original, subtracting all of the cut scenes you loathe?
you spend 10 minutes vacuuming idk.its ok modders will fix it.
For me it was 2 hours long, but packed with a neat balance of story and gameplay, including the opportunity to play Sephiroth myself and establish his overpowering nature through my own agency as a player. Anything else?
Anytime you're ready with that link as well, cheers.
Sephiroth gameplay is really fun. Imagine that. Having fun with Sephiroth? Truly this ruins his characterization. If he doesn't one shot everything, he's not an interesting character. Yeah. His backstory and motivations don't matter. His design doesn't matter. All that matters is how he is depicted as a le super scary tough guy extraordinare.
>Truly this ruins his characterization.
glad you agree.
I see the confusion now.
I'm a purist. I don't like Advent Children. I don't like Sephiroth and Cloud being homosexual lovers with a love/kill relationship, as if Sephiroth is some yandere stalker. What appealed to FF7, for me, was that Sephiroth doesn't even know who Cloud is. In flashbacks, Cloud is just a grunt, who pretends that he was Zack back them. In the present, Sephiroth is long since dead and taken over by Jenova. That's pretty cool to me, from a narrative point.
If you like playing as boss characters, there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. But Sephiroth isn't Vergil. He's not supposed to be playable, because he is only a memory in FF7. In the flashback, he's portrayed how Cloud imagines him based on what he witnessed, and in the present, he's portrayed how Jenova recreates him to suit their own desires. You're not playing as Sephiroth. You're playing as someone else's toy. If you're okay with that, great. I'm not, because that's not FF7.
Finally, someone that is somewhat reasonable. That's perfectly fine, what you appreciate from FF7 is different from what I appreciate.
>Final Fantasy 7 isn't a toy
it's literally a childrens video game from the Playstation 1 you gigantic moronic baby. Grow the frick up and put your big boy pants on.
I didn't say that FF7 isn't a toy, I said that FF7R Sephiroth is someone else's toy. He's not a permanent party member you can build a team around, he's not a benchmark test to help you realize just how much more power Cloud needs to get to the end game, and he's not a unit you helped build in the first place. He's just... there. And you control him for no reason other than the fact that he's there, because he doesn't do his cool stuff until you get permission from the toy's owner to do it.
>I'm a purist
>thinks sephiroth is dead and it's Jenova
That's correct.
But even the game itself says it wasn't Jenova. Hojo tells you this in the northern cave when you find out Sephiroth refused to be diffused into the lifestream and used his willpower and decided to use Jenova for his own ends. Hojo's entire hypothesis about the reunion was about them all gathering to Sephiroth because he was controlling them.
Sephiroth just became Jenova's brain. He died, but his will and Jenova formed a symbiotic relationship. Sephiroth and Jenova are the same entity post-Nibelheim.
This is not stated anywhere and every single line of text states the opposite. I don't care about your headcanon.
>Sephiroth instantly goes crazy as soon as he's near Jenova
>Sephiroth just suddenly has the same goal as Jenova
Just coincidence, right?
Nice theory, I don't care. If it's never been stated anywhere in canon, then and in fact, stated as the opposite, then you're a fricking moron.
>I can pick and choose what is canon based on whether or not I enjoyed it
I have no idea what you're even talking about now. If it's canon it's canon. If it's not it's not. I'm sorry your theory is just a theory that ended up being wrong.
I'm NTA. I'm mocking the fact that people who obsess over canon will not and do not accept the new games as canon. things like Crisis Core.
Congrats, you can now hate FF7R with the rest of us, because it IS canon that Jenova was brain dead the entire time and Sephiroth took over!
You're still not arguing in good faith.
There are mods for the flashback because people who are using mods have already completed the game and know the story. If your next argument is, "Everyone knows the FF7 story so the Remake is doing the right thing by letting people play as Sephiroth," my response is why not just mod out the entire section and get back to the gameplay that will actually progress your party?
The original has gameplay, a lot of it. Gameplay that isn't constantly interrupted by three hours of being forced to slowly walk around at a snail's pace while characters talk about completely useless shit.
why are you posting webm's of GoW? this is an FF thread, please leave.
Because it's the exact same shit. The """"gameplay"""" is identical.
Maybe you could focus on the words inside the post. just try a little bit. I know its hard for morons to focus on basic things.
Cool, can you link me a 3-hour video where there is no gameplay besides walking in remake? 3 straight hours is your claim. I'm sure you have it on bookmark on youtube right? Hell I'll even take 30 minutes since thats how you long you go through the interactive cutscene that is the OG flashback.
I'll be waiting.
If you can be sarcastic about the original game, which is an objectively amazing product, we can be hyperbolic about the Demake, which is an objectively average product.
I'm not being sarcastic about the original game, I loved the original game and likely played it before you were even shot out of your dads nutsack. But the flashback is objectively the worst part of the game because it is close to 30 minutes of straight up not playing the game.
Still waiting for that youtube link by the way, anytime you're ready.
You are, and you have been, and you continue to be hostile and willfully ignore what people are trying to convey to you for some reason. I'm not going to make any guesses because I don't know what you're going through right now, but you're currently in a mental state where you aren't processing what people are telling you.
I hope you have a nice flight. I hope that you get some rest, and calm down. Then, I hope you re-read the thread and comprehend what we're telling you.
>You are, and you have been, and you continue to be hostile and willfully ignore what people are trying to convey to you for some reason. I'm not going to make any guesses because I don't know what you're going through right now, but you're currently in a mental state where you aren't processing what people are telling you.
how fricking ironic, you pieces of shit are the most narrow minded out of anyone.
You're not arguing in good faith. Which is more impressive:
1) Having a party member comparable to your protagonist be a future boss fight;
2) Having your protagonist be temporarily paired with a busted character to show that you basically have no chance of defeating them in a boss fight.
Which of these two better conveys the game's current and future states, and will require the most engagement from the player?
>The OG used its gameplay to tell a great story
>The remake is using its gameplay to tell a bad story.
I mean this isn't true
Og used its gameplay as part of its story telling
Remake, like all modern games basically besides yoko taro games or souls games to some extent, is using its gameplay to do nothing. Its story and gameplay are separate, it never uses its gameplay to tell any story or make any impact, it always resorts to fricking cutscenes, endless exposition or makes you hit r2 to crawl around whilst things happen. You're not actually helpless in gameplay, you're helpless in shitty qte cutscenes because the game simply forces you to be and takes away all your options so they can make their 'point' which inevitably falls flat because they're clowns.
I find it funny to see the Remake having to now take cues from all the spin-off crap that came after FF7.
Zack was not some battle hardened SOLDIER, he was new, and acted like a kid with some new shiny toys. All that Crisis Core shit was such a giant retcon, that the flashback had to be changed.
Zack was always supposed to be a 1st class soldier, so his depiction as a weakling in the OG was always inconsistent. Cloud was weak, Zack wasn't.
Zack had to have been given 1st class the moment he graduated from whatever SOLDIER academy Shinra was doing.
He was only 16-17 years old, and Shinra pretty much ruled over the world without any strong opposition.
Explain how the story telling is served by nerfing Sephiroth.
SOUL VS SOULLESS
heem sleepy
yeah that zero was always KINO when i played it. what the frick were they thinking letting him take damage AND knocked down
Don't worry guys, sephiroth is gonna use the hyper bolic time chamber in the remake so he can kill the snake in the desert.
Everything you needed to know about the remake project in one simple image. Beautiful.
holy kek they actually let Sephiroth get knocked down? Taking dmg is one thing but him flat on his ass at 100% power is moronic
can you guys shut up with the crisis core ret-cons its almost as bad as the current gen ret-cons.
Are they going to explain how Cloud was slicing entire buildings in half, or is that getting handwaved?
Sephiroth is badass and scary in the OG.
yeah he is.
How can you really feel engaged with this scene if you don't need to hold down your haptic feedback shoulder buttons?
Correct.
it's hilarious how you keep ruining your argument. The reason he is scary is because the storytelling makes him that way with set pieces like
You're still so focused on Sephiroth having to look like a badass with his flashy Rebirth moves that you can't comprehend that storytelling is conveyed through more than just graphics and character design.
I guess they're using different gameplay to convey a different story.
Are they going to answer why Tifa and her father were even at the reactor in the first place? It's not supposed to be important, but it's one of those things that just seems random when you think about it.
>"noo you have to ignore all the times throughout the game that you see him like this"
The mouth being open is a bug that isn't in every version of the game.
I'm done arguing with you fricking morons, go pay $70 like the good little drone you are.
digital foundry guy said it looks like shit
Does Tifa still die though?
you fat ugly fricking nerds sit on this website and cry about how Sephiroth is ruined? okay. that's cool. doesn't mean we have to care what you think. doesn't mean anyone has to agree because you're obsessed with the way things were.
time has passed you by.
your discord raid isnt working (again)
Except its true. ?
the designers completely missed the point of this section of the game.
>don't care
They have forever ruined sephiroth
You're 20 years late on that, bud. Some kid with an oversized key wrecked his shit.
that is at least not canon to ff7
this is presenting itself as ff7
no i cant
i have to shit on it forever now
cool, sounds good
now you can finally move on
no shit, they're moronic what did you expect
instead of making sephiroth look insane by having him equipped with all + level 3 spells in every slot and hitting for 3000+ with a basic attack when you're hitting for 100, they will instead not do that and spend 60 minutes trying to make him look impressive through cutscenes or dialogue instead which wont work, takes a million times longer and is infinitely less effective
a bigger issue is having Cloud hold his own against enemies. It makes no sense.
Zack was a 1st class SOLDIER, and we do fight them in the OG as a end game enemy. He was hilariously shit in Cloud's flashback for some reason.
Lets be real, were not gonna convince some 80 IQ morons about their mashing square button gameplay master piece who paid $150 for two versions of a game that did it better in 97'
Well this entire thread is a bunch of morons not being able to defend the fact that they ruined the main antagonists characterization.
see ya later.
don't worry. The ones who know already know.
AC already did that, and every spin-off game that came afterwards finished the job.
>scurries away when asked for receipts
doomsissies...
>they ruined the main antagonists characterization.
Except they didn't. Taking damage in gameplay doesn't ruin his characterization autist.
Being a homosexual rapist does though
Only literal homosexuals care about any version of sephiroth after OG, especially since Sephiroth exists to cater to fujos. The character, like most things from the original game, was ruined. No surprise that it happened again
He's ruined? Sounds good to me
Well, OG flashback enjoyers have been thoroughly blown the frick out. I'll know to just ask for video proof next time I see them lambast 7R as being a movie game.
Its already been linked. keep moving the goal post.
everyone knows the games are shit and a complete betrayal of everything the OG game had in mind.
doesnt matter to you as long as you get to watch all the flashing lights colors and bad voice acting.
Enjoy your 2/10
brevity is the soul of wit
fun is the soul of games
Yes and slow forced walk segments aren't fun, glad we settled that.
Controlling Sephiroth is more fun than not controlling Sephiroth
It's not.
it is objectively more fun to play a game than to not play a game.
I would rather not play Russian Roulette, but you do you.
Yes, and you spend more time playing the game in the original as opposed to Remake where you spend half the time in slow forced walking segments.
but anon, you did not play the demo.
maybe you didn't play the OG either, since everyone knows the original flashback is quite literally nothing but a "forced walking segment", whatever that means.
>since everyone knows the original flashback is quite literally nothing but a "forced walking segment"
It's one segment in the entire game, and it's shorter than any of the dozens of forced walking segments in Remake. You don't actually like gameplay.
League of legends is fun too. Lots of fun to be had. Quality fun too! not the kind of fun anyone can make! its real I swear!
I would love to have fun gameplay with Cid and Vincent but unfortunately they have been removed and any ability to interact with them outside of a cutscene has been revoked. Adding in playable sephiroth just to make him shit is a mindnumbingly stupid decision, even for homosexuals who defend Rebirth, because this objectively means you get less characters to play as and less time to use them. Instead of arguing why flashback sephiroth in rebirth is good, you should ask yourself why those resources weren't utilized on things that actually matter, like making playable characters playable and including rocket town.
I feel bad for OP since I totally get where he's coming from but also playing as Sephiroth is fricking sick
I don't think about you at all
I would hope not.
Normies of this generation haven't experienced a good story in a game ever in their lives. Should we honestly be surprised when one could presented to them and they outright reject it?
Its not the fault of the morons, its the fault of the designers and money men.
The morons are gonna play this and go omg septiroanth! coool, bite their lower lip while pressing their fat fingers against the green discolored PS5 controller and shit/piss themselves for 100+ hours of mediocre gameplay.
>Final Fantasy 7 combat was not mediocre
I'm afraid I've got some bad news.
I never said that, but whatever helps you sleep at night. continue defending your $150 slop game.
Rebirth fans are people who werent even born when og came out complaining about adults like they're persona 5 npcs
>WAAAAH WAAH IT'S NOT LIKE THE LE WAHH ORIGINAL WAAAAAAHHHHH
In fact its the baby crying that has led up to this point if anything.
Chad baby having king expectations at an early age.
>another Rebirth thread
it's time for some argument kino
why the frick is Midgar sunny?
We have lighting engines now.
uhhh....uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what do you mean its always been sunny
It's so fricking stupid that the characters talk about how dark it is in the slums and how they need the sun lamps for light. Except it's perfectly sunny and the sun lamps only come on at night.
Did the devs forget there was a plate
Artificial daylight.
Nope, the lamps aren't on and that sunlight is coming from the actual sun off in the distance. See the shadows of the buildings?
Play the game moron
play the original game moron
https://files.catbox.moe/vzpqg8.png
Maybe YOU should play the original, homosexual.
No maybe YOU should
Frick you.
pls understand
Take a picture of the 10 boulders overlapping eachother in the town, and the garbage SpeedTreeTM assets lmao.
>It's Always Sunny in Sector Seven
>The Gang Goes Jihad
>You gotta pay the friendzone toll to get inside Cloud's soul
>So I started castin'
>That right there are the cells, can we talk about the cells? I've been dyin' to talk to you about the cells. Jenova. This name keeps comin' up over and over again. Every day Jenova's cells are getting sent back to me. Jenova. Jenova. This whole library is Jenova. So I say to myself "I gotta find this guy, I've gotta go into the reactor, put his cells in the guy's goddamn hands otherwise he's never gonna get it and they're gonna keep comin' down here." So I go up to Jenova's containment tube and what do I found out? I am Jenova. My mother does not exist. So I decide "Oh shit buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper." There's no Jenova? You gotta be kiddin' me, I got books full of Jenova. So I start marchin' my way Hojo in R&D and I knock on his door and say "HOJO, HOJO! I GOTTA TALK TO YOU ABOUT JENOVA!" And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office. There is no Hojo in R&D. Cloud, half the employees at Shinra have been made up. This company's a goddamn ghost town.
You made my day. homosexuals in here deserve death for playing their slop.
NEW GOOD
OLD BAD
Yes, exactly.
No, some things in Remake are good, like Zagan introduction. I think Roche is a fun new character too that fits really well in the setting. Jessie's back story was pretty good too. And most of the OST is really well done. Combats are a lot of fun and the characterisation is top notch, probably Remake's biggest forte.
Everything else is garbage.
All you idiots ever say about the combat is "its fun" where are you idiots getting this from, what exactly is fun about it, you just fricking mash buttons like a bad fighting game. this shit is devoid of any actual interesting interactions, engagements or situtational awareness for the player characters. FFXII LLG takes way more skill and is way more fun than this fricking dog shit. PLEASE provide a fricking argument because I don't fricking see it.
>where are you idiots getting this from
Their discord
>FFXII LLG takes way more skill
Farming OP weapons against rare enemies isn't skill, loser.
You dont need to farm anything outside of some restoratives.
maybe youre thinking about the item only runs
OLD GOOD
NEW BAD
Yes, exactly.
Sephiroth should completely rape everything in the demo, the fact that they made him take damage and get stunned is fricking moronic.
A single slash should kill everything even that giant fricking green boss should just get instantly fricking rekt by him.
Why was Sephiroth portrayed as a creepy sex pervert before he went insane? They should have combined Zack and Sephiroth to form a new character, called Sephiroth. Keep all the same plot elements. Cloud's identity crisis can now be tied more directly to his status as a Clone, and to Sephiroth's heroic disposition before his tragic fall. I don't fricking get it, they gave him the stupid ass wing motif and everything, but there's no fall. He's just a gay butthole from the start.
Sephiroth's "fall" is believing he's nothing more than an alien rape baby, and all of his accomplishments are meaningless. The fight with Zack was to show that Sephiroth has fallen, and it's why he walks through the flames of Nibelheim, to show his "descent into Hell". He wasn't a creepy sex pervert, but rather an idol, legend, and superstar that would even tell pop magazines his hair care secrets.
>He wasn't a creepy sex pervert, but rather an idol, legend, and superstar that would even tell pop magazines his hair care secrets.
Okay... but he doesn't act like it, at all. Not in the original game, or Remake for that matter. Obviously I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but in reality Sephiroth's character is never well established at all. Cloud has a few lines referencing his supposed personality, but it's the complete antithesis during the flashback.
Despite his amount of screentime, there's nothing for the player to connect with. All we have to go on are characters telling us how a character was, which is either not shown or blatantly contradictory.
It's like two different people wrote this story and didn't compare notes.
Anons relate to Sephiroth heavily because they too want to rape Cloud
That was EXACTLY the point. What we, the player, are presented with is Cloud's interpretation of Sephiroth, and Cloud isn't a reliable narrator. We have no idea what Sephiroth used to be like other than from what other people tell Cloud, or rather us, the audience. We don't get to see his fall from grace beyond what happens in Nibelheim. We don't feel the magnitude of his actions beyond the fact that he's attempting to use Meteor. What made Sephiroth so unsettling as an antagonist is that his and Cloud's relationship were so far removed from each other. He wasn't a childhood friend, he wasn't a faithful mentor, he was just... some guy. A popular, strong, heroic guy, but "just" a guy in relation to Cloud, just as Cloud was just a grunt to Sephiroth.
Exotic teenage girl Yuffie
The thing is, in the OG, Cloud remembers that SOLDIERs weren't marvel superheroes. In rebirth they want to make his old self literally Zack, on par with Sephi (which Zack more or less was at this point) so they gave him this kingdom hearts gameplay.
But in the OG, Cloud himself is at a loss when he has to explain how the frick he could have won against Sephiroth in the reactor, he knows perfectly well he was getting one-shot by that dragon that dealt zero damage to Sephi... It's a huge mystery that he cannot answer himself. Which will be completely gone in Rebirth.
That's the issue. Though it seems obvious the identity reveal won't be as important in Rebirth... clearly they're expecting the player to already know about it, that's not what their big twist will be about, I suppose...
you wrote all that shit to realize the speculation is pointless because you're talking about an old script.
we don't know what the twists will be. that's the point. that's the reason they worked all the fanboys into a seething shoot with the jannies. whether they like it or not, now, nobody knows what is in store for the characters anymore.
Yes I'm sure it will be amazing dude, just wait!
glad we agree
yeah dude I love Final Fantasy 7 Remake Rebirth I already paid $70 I'm gonna pay $70 again!
And im gonna get the delucks edition and im gonna suck nomuras tiny wiener and let him coom on my PS5 disc tray so that it stops working and I have to buy everything all over again. I love corporations!
you sure did post that
>that's the point!!!
The point is that they want to sell less games?
>we dont know what's in store for them
Nothing apparently, given Cid and Vincent aren't playable.
>It's a huge mystery that he cannot answer himself. Which will be completely gone in Rebirth.
They can still literally do that.
>rebirth Sephiroth has every max spell, an op moveset, and a instant teleport that insures you'll never be touched
>"nooooooo it didn't convey how strong he is AIEEEEEEE"
Purist Black folk need to be killed.
>every max spell, an op moveset, and a instant teleport that insures you'll never be touched
I had that at the end of Remake, so what's special about this?
>rebirth sephiroth doesn't have 9999 health
A single number shows the power disparity between them. You could have even had it with the things you listed.
"nooooo they didn't need to"
They didn't need to make him playable at all.
"Then it wouldn't be fun to play as him"
The OP stuff makes him trivial to use anyway so it won't make a difference. What it does impact is how it illustrates using 4 numbers, regardless of player skill, how much better he is.
>What it does impact is how it illustrates using 4 numbers
Is this some kind of number autism? I don't give a frick about the numbers dude.
>I don't give a frick about the numbers dude.
We know.
Good, what a fricking weirdo. Go make sure all the shit on the table is perfectly stacked in place you fricking autist.
>I don't care about numbers
Going to be what rebirth fans say every year as sales go lower and the price of the game gets higher
>he thinks it won't sell well
holy frick, if you considered this the most mindless goyslop in the world you'd have to realize that'd just mean it's going to sell more to the normies
Normies don't buy final fantasy games, they don't even know what they are. FF is held together by the same people thinking "Well this one cant be as bad as the last one" and it finds a way to be worse
>A single number shows the power disparity between them
All the thing mentioned show it too Black person.
It didnt.
>why is Mario fun? you just fricking jump like a bad Nintendo game. this shit is devoid of any actual interesting interactions, engagements or situational awareness for player characters.
Mario has interesting mechanics regarding his jump speed, jump arc and the enemies he can jump on or not jump on have different properties that allow mario to combo other enemies like using a shell from koopas or other mechanics for mario to progress through the game.
alright now explain FF7's combat and how its engaging. Use as many words and examples as you want.
didn't read
Comparing Mario to FF is insane because the gameplay for mario is actually good whereas Rebirth cant even match Kingdom Hearts 2.
This perfectly sums up the people in here arguing their moronation in bad faith
why the frick is Midgar sunny?
that's radiation
Oh shit is that a sun lamp?
because there is a sun. that's clearly obvious in the original game. but because Midgar is dark, that means there cannot be any sunlight visible in the world of a deranged, mindbroken cultist who spend every waking hour shitposting about 7R
>that's clearly obvious in the original game
Discussion over.
Cetra magic I don't gotta explain shit
It's symbolic that the only place with real sunlight is Aerith's church and home
The church is near the outskirts of the slums near an unfinished plate. You can walk to the gate from there.
Are remaketards absolutely fricking moronic? The entire point of the church is that it's the only place where sunlight reaches from a small crack in the plate. It also metaphorically implies that sun (life) follows wherever Aeris is, to add to the theme that she's a saint. The remaining 99% of Midgar is sun-less, which makes the one part it's not more beautiful in comparison.
Unbelievable, this place has completely tanked in IQ.
>there is only ONE crack in ONE plate in all of Midgar despite the outside wall to Sector 5 being transparent
>this small crack is only big enough to illuminate the church only and there is no other way that the sun can possibly illuminate anywhere else
you are so stupid god damn
We know you RE:tards are incapable of having any actual thoughts.
you are seething that is for sure, begging for arguments
I know you don't have any arguments, which is confusing why all of you continue to pretend.
quick type something about "fun".
you have moronation
enable your trip
>The entire point of the church is that it's the only place where sunlight reaches
https://files.catbox.moe/qcdkdl.png
Yes Aerith's home is surrounded with life and sunlight to show how saintly she is. It's called environmental storytelling.
Where's the yellow paint so I know where I can go?
You can press select and have red arrow telling you where to go oh wait you didn't play the original
>red
Well what good does that do??
Why get angry? You already knew this demake was marvel tier rubbish
Sephorith was controlling the jenova cells and clones.
It used to be that Sephiroth lost his mind and was running purely on Jenova cell instinct. It used to be that Jenova's cells were in control the entire time because Sephiroth lost his will after learning what Hojo had done. It used to be that Cloud and Sephiroth never even met, and that's what made their entire conflict so disturbing.
If you're gonna discuss lore about anything outside of the original game just stop and shut up.
But in the OG you do see Sephiroth having no idea who Cloud is.
alright cool I will read your post now.
He does that purely to mess with Cloud. He knows exactly who Cloud is but he wants to gaslight him into believing he never existed and was just some experiment Hojo created. He picks and chooses which parts of the truth he'll tell him based on what he remembers and what Tifa has told him in order to completely frick up his mind and the mental image he's constructed of himself. There was never a moment where he didn't actually know who Cloud was. The first time you go to the northern cave he makes it abundantly clear.
100% facts.
Man I wish I could be insane sometimes
Now look who's making up headcanon lmao
>did not play the original game
makes sense
Sephiroth is constantly fricking with Clouds sanity and he directly tells him that he isn't real. This is in the OG
Tifa was the one gaslighting Cloud you morons, or did you forget where she refused to be honest when Sephiroth made Cloud revisit Nibelheim?
what the frick are you even talking about. Sephiroth gaslighting Cloud is one of most consistent things Sephiroth does. Tifa screaming and Cloud not to listen to him because Sephiroth was giving him half truths to break him is a huge part of the first time you go to the northern cave and it's what breaks him eventually and makes him hand over the black materia.
Everything he said was the original game.
>Sephiroth looks at Jenova and goes insane
Sephiroth was in control the whole time though.
>it used to be *weird made-up headcanon*
Skill issue. Mine didn't take any damage
If you didn't improve 30 years after playing the original then that's entirely on you. You should maybe grow up and get good
get on fightcade, pick a game.
Glad nobody will talk about this game in 3 months.
I don't care about the low poly walls, bad lighting and Sephiroth getting turbo nerfed.
But seeing Nibelheim full of Black folk and having to push a mako vaccuum for 10 minutes doesn't sit right with me.
What about the millions of new fans who played the Crisis Core Remake before this? Aren't we forgetting how they already know the big twists?
>millions of new fans who played the Crisis Core Remake
you're trolling homie
>millions
more like dozens
>new fans
If anything that shit game turned more people away from the series. I have no idea when people started thinking that slop was good. Dirge of Cerberus is better.
Explain yourself.
It's pretty amazing how much they don't get what people liked about the OG
the OG was shit you just walk around and RPG the enemies to death, I get to mash square until my thumb is sore and scroll tiktok/ig in the remake. Also I paid $200 for both games so that means its more better.
>I get to mash square until my thumb is sore and scroll tiktok/ig in the remake. Also I paid $200 for both games so that means its more better.
le basé
Uhh platebros...our narrative??? I thought it was only the church that was sunny because of le symbolism??
>noooo there are lamps in Sector 7 and that means there is no sunlight in Sector 7 despite the game clearly showing us arrive in Sector 7 at night time which would explain why there are lamps on
Here's the next screen over, by the way.
Anon... you know lights exist right?
Yes, in the Sector 5 screen we see that it's very dark and lit up by the lights around the area. It feels like night in a grungy part of town. Then the next screen over has sunlight. This is because the slums are dark, gloomy hellholes but Aerith being an Ancient brings light and life to where she resides. There is not sun at Aerith's house and the church because all the slums get natural light, they don't. It's magical.
I love this place in the Remake (no I will not participate in the shit flinging. I enjoy OG and Remake. And I am based)
Night time is especially pretty.
How are Aerith and her mom not hated for living in a garden mansion while every other Sec5 shlub lives in a tin shack. (or at least feel guilty for it)
Both Aerith and her mom were exclusive Shinra officials prostitutes.
Those flowers have dogshit textures. They never fixed that?
If youre triggered by those flowers youre gonna hate this image.
>that lightbulb
>that grass
And honestly it seems most of the texture "effort" went into the characters, but the game has its moments, and I enjoy it.
Huge dragon replaced by two pathetic lizards
What the frick are these geriatric old fools at Square doing. He's supposed to two shot the largest fricking enemy seen in the game at that point. absolutely left a bad taste in my mouth from the offset. How the frick do you logically come to the conclusion the huge dragon needs to be replaced by two small lizards.
Square enix is trying really hard to kill itself
>implying a basket weaving board's opinion matters compared to all the praise it's getting
lol
lmao
I missed when this was what FF threads were about.
Can the Lifestream create life?
But Zack kicks Sephiroths ass along with those other 2 guys he can't be that much weaker.
Zack gets bodied by Sephiroth.
No he didn't he gives him a good fight and weakens him enough for npc Cloud to finish the job.
He wasn't much of a character until the spin offs so they probally didn't think about it then.
This thread is basically
>It's different so it sucks
Anyway
not sure how much it matters how much of a character he was, he was still SOLDIER 1st class and throughout OG this is presented as being a big deal. I mean, how else are you on a mission with Sephiroth?
it doesn't make sense for Zack to be weak. just because Sephiroth was able to knock him aside doesn't mean he is some slouch getting 1 shot killed.
so the criticism of the original not being faithfully represented in Rebirth really falls flat in my opinion
The original was not faithfully represented. Crisis Core was represented, they aren't the same thing.
>It doesn't make sense for Zack to be weak
Compared to Sephiroth, he is. The only reason you think otherwise is because of Crisis Core. Zack is actually the guy who got shot to death by a single random grunt, so no, he's not standing toe to toe with Sephiroth in any circumstance.
>shot to death by a single random grunt,
Sephiroth got thrown off a building by a random grunt they are even.
Apparently not, given Sephiroth is alive and zack is wormfood
Zack
>Tired after just got done taking down Sepiroth and Genesis the 2 most powerful characters in FF7 canon along with hundreds of endless npc soldiers after carrying his buddy Cloud hundreds of miles after hojo experiments on him for years and 1 one of them gets a lucky shot
Vs
Sepiroth
>AAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEE PLEASE DON'T HURT ME ANYMORE ZACK SOMEONE HELP!
>Sigh fine okay Cloud you can finish him off
>retcons
I literally don't care about your fricking retcons nomura. go shart out another KH game
Kys Sephiroth
Post Yfw Sephiroth is a weak pathetic incel loser getting taken down by Chad first class.
Zack
>dead somewhere, forgotten, anally eviscerated by homosexual sephiroth
Cloud
>kills sephiroth(zack failed at this)
>gets to midgar(zack failed at this)
>becomes a mercenary(zack failed at this)
>fricks aeris(zack failed at this)
>>dead somewhere
Where?
Nice try Sephiroth.
>lucky shot
Spoken like a true loser
> the random grunt happens to be his clone in moron strength mode
Not so random.
Not so grunt.
when the frick did this happen
picrel
Cid was always even more on the even more chopping block than Tifa's beautiful bazangas and any humor the Honey Bee Inn had to offer. Vincent is a bit more of a mystery to me. His berserk mode gameplay might be redundant to an ARPG. Also I suspect they might retcon his backstory for reasons I can only speculate at right now.
>the dragoon on the chopping block
Rebirth fans are so strange, for a bunch of people who like the gameplay they're certainly against having more of it and in different styles. Even if they change cids story(bad idea to given he's one of the stronger character arcs in the game), making him unplayable is silly. But I guess they need to sell a third game somehow.
Don't look at me. They axed my two favorite party members and gave me even less of a reason to play.
We were robbed. Convinced moments like this aren't going to happen in the third game at all
lol
Yeah, that is the bad part. All they had to do to not frick this up was just do what the first game did but with better graphics in the battles and cutscenes. They could have left the over world more or less as-is even.
>Convinced moments like this aren't going to happen in the third game at all
Ok doomer
My dude. They've already fricked up so many small-but-important things.
pic not related
You're forgetting that Cloud is an unreliable narrator. Him doing 14 damage compared to Sephiroth's 3,000 isn't meant to convey that Cloud, or rather Zack, was weak. It was meant to convey that Sephiroth is so fricking absurdly powerful he MAKES Zach look weak in comparison. That's why playing as Sephiroth is stupid.
My headcanon reason he's weak in the original game is because he's imagining himself in the place of Zack instead of the actual Zack but in remake he is imagining himself as actual Zack.
in reality Rebirth is actually more internally consistent than the original because if Cloud was imagining Zack then obviously Zack should have been able to stand alongside Sephiroth against enemies. Cloud remembering himself as weak doesn't make a lot of sense if we are supposed to believe that he was actually Zack. We know Zack was SOLDIER 1st class just like Sephiroth.
It makes 100% internal sense that they would be a similar level.
I do think he should have been at least lvl 50
No, because
>Zack got bodied by Sephiroth, Cloud knows this even though he's placing himself in Zack's shoes
>he knows he's the one who killed Sephiroth despite thinking he's also Zack, which adds a level of confusion to his story because he knows he shouldn't have been able to do it and can't remember how it went down
>Every new game is the worst thing ever made
Can't you homosexuals get a new script?
When have we been wrong?
That's actually true though.
Rebirth's flashback was basically fan service for Crisis Core fans so it's no coincidence that only morons who like zack, homosexual sephiroth, bad storytelling, and bad combat come out of the woodwork to defend it.
This thread is proof that no matter what SE would have done autistic morons on Ganker would nitpick it
Nah one side is clearly very moronic and can't have an honest discussion.
SE could've finally made Sephiroth and Aerith related and brought both sides together, but noooo...!
SE hasn't made anything good in over a decade and people will still somehow try to spin it into the fans being ungrateful why?
daddy gave them content
I wonder if the people ITT who are defending Rebirth's changes will also be happy when Genesis and Angeal make their return.
>inb4 the three stooges from Advent Children make an appearance
I was unpleasantly surprised when they brought back Nero and Weiss(the gay incest brothers)for intergrade, so it's very likely those two are coming back as well.
Original game had too many parts "up to the player's interpretation"... They used to do that shit often back then, so obviously autists will fight it out.
so sunny...
Your bottom image is taken during night time, which is the only time the lamps are on. My proof is the flower, which Cloud only gets from Aerith at night and gives to Tifa when he returns to Sector 7, still at night.
And here's an image of that train station during the day. Natural light.
Can we all agree that Jessie is a bad b***h
Jessie can get it
Goated combat system and it keeps better holy moly
Explain why its good.
It's not braindead.
Not him but this is exactly how I played Remake. I started out utilizing the more fluid, action-oriented mechanics but pretty quickly realized there's no real point. The game isn't balanced well enough to warrant taking the piss and pretending that 98% of the "Action" isn't just in the command animations, same as every other iteration in the franchise.
There's no genuine interaction with the enemy like in games like Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Soulsborne, The Witcher 3, Assassin's Creed, Skyrim, etc...
You're merely attacking the space they inhabit. The only timing required is when to heal. There are a few enemies who have AOE attacks which you can dodge, but as I mentioned before, it's pointless because of how underpowered enemies are. Also dodging AOEs functions the same as it did in FFXII, except now it has an awkward diving animation.
Only time the combat has a chance to shine is in the VR boss fights, or occasionally on Hard Mode. The latter of which you have to unlock via beat- I mean watching the game on Normal Mode.
VIIR is absolutely braindead. Both in gameplay and storytelling.
Ok barry.
You can copy-paste almost all of that to XV, with minor exceptions.
Square cannot develop video games. After VII's critical and commercial success in innovating everything but gameplay, they gave up entirely. Can't say I blame them. Clearly there's a market for delusion. Why not exploit it?
I got it barry.
That sums up why these idiots have no frame of reference and cant provide an actual argument.
Thanks
samegay
Explain why the combat is good. I'm willing to be convinced
>I'm willing to be convinced
No you're not.
Not him, but I am.
I'm still here.
god the gameplay is still terrible. such a shame. i thought rebirth would be a chance to fix things.
I purposely took a lot of damaged and played like a newb just to make Cloud seem like a unreliable story teller...
This thread is just buttmad PC cucks angry they can't play it just like Stellar Blade you can't trust a thing they say.
You only briefly take control of Sephiroth in VII just to show how vastly he overpowers you and the rest of your party. (And waste time trying to figure out how to equip Masamune.)
>you take control of sephiroth briefly
Instead of doing that, why not use the resources to make Cid and Vincent playable in the 50 hour slopfest?
Because making 1 character playable in a very small section of the game is massively different from making 2 playable characters in the rest of the game. moron
Yes, it's different in the sense that wasting development time on a character with unique limits and mechanics that are only utilized for an hour of gameplay instead of an actual character that would be around for ten times as long is silly. That's a symptom of the backwards development the game has though
It's not a waste schizo
Yes, it is.
One single Shrina grunt is clearly the most overpowered character in FF7
This would be more excusable if it was a younger generation of developers trying to emulate the original. But no, you actually have the old guard who worked on the original involved with this remake and it still came out like this.
I am starting to strongly believe that making video games is the equivalent of drawing. The individuals who made video games in the 90s are like the most famous Japanese mangaka who got their start with paper and ink in the 90s, but can't draw worth a damn in a program on a pad. Sure, the game devs have more tools and better tech, but they have no idea how to use any of it. They're fossils who can't adapt.
>Cloud is a Sephiroth clone
Oh boy, here we go.
>Cloud is a Sephiroth clone
Correct.
I love when this happens
Cloud gets injected with Jenova cells by Hojo leading to him having his mind broken and reconstructed by Jenova forming a persona based on the memories he has of Zack and Tifa, Sephiroth takes advantage of this when his will is manifested through Jenova in FF7
The word clone was a mistranslation, it was supposed to be copies. As in, Hojo was trying to recreate what he achieved with Sephiroth and failed miserably each time.
Wouldn't be the only midlife clone in fiction.
Wait, is that what that anon was implying? That Cloud is being rewritten as a literal Sephiroth lookalike?
I mean I know the sameface is an issue, but surely this isn't the intention... have Elena and Tifa been seen together?
Wasn't he a clone in the original?
It worked in force unleashed when you played as Darth Vader and raped everything at the start
Are they gonna bring back the Hojo wants Aerith to breed with SOLDIER plot from part 1?
I'm starting to think FF7 fans don't like the game, seeing as they think every scene from it was bad or pointless so should be rewritten.
Does anybody have any theories on what the frick Sephiroth wants in this new timeline? Is his primary purpose really just to be The Joker to Cloud's Batman?
>Does anybody have any theories on what the frick Sephiroth wants in this new timeline?
What he always wanted.
A Pizza Hut in the garage?
Sephiroth can exert his will over Cloud due to the Jenova cells, just as he can control all the clones. Even after Cloud discovers the truth of his past, Sephiroth can still influence him, as he does for the final fight in the game.
How was Sephiroth going to absorb the Lifestream post-Meteor?
Cait sith is a radio controlled animatronic that reeve made Reeve also makes animatronics of himself for Cait Sith to control. But they're very clearly robotic(The reeve animatronic is shot and is metal inside)
Cait Sith isnt a robot. Hes even been in the same room as Reeve.
i don't know how to tell you this but robots can exist independently from the people who control them. Why not show the clip where Reeve and CIt Sith are sharing the same gestures and walking the same? It happens way before the scene you posted.
It's not THAT the same. Its not like theyre 1:1. And obviously they dont have to move the same.
are you conceding that he is in fact a robot?
....No? You tried to imply that theyre movement being similar in a previous cutscene means something when it doesnt, since obviously they can move independently.
And anyway hes not robot, hes a stuffed doll given life.
The giant Moogle is the robot.
he was right you know
>0:50
Don't even need to watch the rest of it to know he's going to spend the next 38 minutes describing exactly how I felt while playing VIIR. All that bullshit padding to market it as a full-length title when it was really a 2015 tech demo with fifteen hours of cutscenes slapped on. Fifteen hours, to tell a story that could be wrapped up in ninety minutes with competent writers and somebody to edit it. And I'm not just talking about Midgar, I mean FFVII's entire story only has ninety minutes of thematic story and characterization.