Serious question. Not trying to start shit.
What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows? I've been a Windows user since 1994 and I genuinely don't have the motivation to switch to anything else.
I understand part of that is because it's what I'm used to and I'd need to put effort into learning something different, but I also just don't have a use-case to change.
In a sense, my question really is: Should I seek out reasons to make the change to Linux, or can I trust that the OS I've been using for almost 30 years will continue to function the way I want it to?
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Windows OS is spyware. Mac OS too
>I've been a Windows user since 1994 and I genuinely don't have the motivation to switch to anything else.
Probably because you don't know what you could be using outside of Windows (and MacOS, but it doesn't count, we are all gamers here).
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
Forced updates
Baked in shitty software that has easy find better alternatives. See: Groove
News in the search, pic related
Windows Registry is an obtuse and hard to work with piece of shit
Spyware, like said, but this doesn't bother me too much. I don't care if someone at M$ is looking at my e-girlcon, I'm only happy to share.
Probably some other reasons, but I don't remember right now.
I think most people itt hit the nail on the head, especially I used windows for most of my life, but I only used 10 for two years before I switched to linux. I was so fricking tired of starting my PC and getting that "HEY FRICKING SWITCH TO 11 homosexual" every day. Switching from 7 to 10 (basically being forced to do so since they were stopping service updates) wasn't so bad, but being forced to update whenever they wanted me to among other things listed was. Yeah, I had to get used to a new system and file structure, but I know that this is MY PC and I will do what I want with it. And since most games work on Linux now through either proton or wine, there's literally no point in having windows unless you absolutely need it for work or just don't like tinkering and figuring shit out.
>I was so fricking tired of starting my PC and getting that "HEY FRICKING SWITCH TO 11 homosexual" every day
morons who refuse to do basic shit, like turn off notifications, just further cement the fact that Linux is only a "not like the other girls" activity box.
Linux isn't for people who want to use a computer, Linux is for people who want to use Linux.
It wasn't the notification bar notification, it was the giant startup one that you get for logging in. To me, that just says that if I'm going to switch to anything, it should be linux and that 10 will be shut down sometime soon, so may as well get used to Linux in that time. 10 is trash all around and I will not miss it. Also it's quicker and easier to switch to linux than it is to shut off auto updates.
>It wasn't the notification bar notification, it was the giant startup one that you get for logging in
>Also it's quicker and easier to switch to linux than it is to shut off auto updates
ok, moron
>it was the giant startup one that you get for logging in.
You get that message once a year at best, don't give me that. I've had the message a whole two times since W11 was rolled out and the only time I'm ever asked is when I go to the updates it's on the right side saying I'm "Ready to upgrade to W11" and nothing else. Where are you people getting these magical daily notifications?
This one, I got this at some point nearly every fricking time I booted up my PC.
>just stop updates, bro
I did and I still got it.
I have literally never gotten that since W11 started getting pushed at all and I have updates going all the time. The only time it was ever pushed on me, like I said, was those two times after I did an update where it brought me to the setup screen kind of like this and asked if I wanted to do it before leaving me alone.
I'm using Windows 10 right now (not a Windows proponent, though), and I don't recall ever having seen that popup. It's possible that I saw it once.
Your PC doesn't have the required TPM module that Win11 requires for its DRM bullshit.
>Forced updates
>Baked in shitty software that has easy find better alternatives. See: Groove
>News in the search, pic related
>Windows Registry is an obtuse and hard to work with piece of shit
These are my reasons, together with the outright lie that W10 would be the last ever windows. I just don't trust microsoft anymore
It's too bad that everyone else is worse.
How so? Assuming you don't store anything in onedrive, how would anyone at Microsoft be able to view your files?
All of those are good points, but they can all be disabled. I understand it's an extra step, but is that a lot to do when you only have to do it upon a fresh install?
Could you give me an example? Outside of the pre-installed apps that you can just remove once you get into a new installation of Windows, I have never seen an ad in my start menu. I'm on Windows 11 if that helps.
>It's clear that obfuscating ownership and spying are coming before having a good OS.
I think this is where my confusion lies. I don't understand how a newly designed taskbar and start menu "Obfuscates ownership."
It takes features for no good reason, also it was a simple example, but a big one in that, there is no reason to take that control.
On linux if a Desktop went to shit, you could opt out of it.
>On linux if a Desktop went to shit, you could opt out of it.
Couldn't the devs of whatever distro you're using just force an update through?
Wouldn't you have to change your entire OS to "Opt out" of an update once your distro's devs want to add/remove a feature?
no on the first one, no distro i know of is able to do forced updates, even the worst ones never stoop that low.
and you can change the DE if they mess with it, also changing distros is relatively painless cause you can migrate what are known as dotfiles, which keep your configs. So it would be like nothing changed (in a good way). So even in the worst case scenario it's not a big deal.
There are even updated forks of old desktops to use (like MATE for GNOME2), so even if your favorite isn't around, you can easily pick up the next best thing.
CPUs have backdoors at the hardware level. Even if you somehow made your own CPU you would have to stay off the internet entirely. Look up the NSA buildings with no windows
Wouldn't Linux be just as vulnerable to that if it's on the CPU?
Yes, but it gives you more options atleast.
>CPUs have backdoors at the hardware level. Even if you somehow made your own CPU you would have to stay off the internet entirely.
what?
if you made your own then of course you would make it without backdoors
also, time to talk about some video games on Linux
I have been playing some Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight
Because every iteration bloats the system with more and more useless bullshit that no one asked for. Said bloat increases the system requirements while making the operating system preform worse as a whole.
Because each iteration of the system takes away more control, customisation and personalisation. Making repairs, mods and troubleshooting more difficult than they need to be. Error messages are becoming more and more vague, no longer will the an error message tell what the problem is. You get some random code and you have to crawl through support forums just to figure out what's wrong. This is before you can even get started on fixing the issue.
Because each iteration comes with more and more intrusive spyware. Not only does this spyware use up my hardware and network resources, but it's also a massive invasion of my privacy that leave my personal information at the mercy of hackers because these companies have absolutely garbage cyber security.
>hurr they don't care about your personal data
If they didn't care, then they wouldn't of gone to such great lengths to develop and implement all of this spyware in the first place.
If they didn't care then you'd not only be able to turn all of this spyware off, but you'd be able to delete it off your computer entirely.
>Assuming you don't store anything in onedrive, how would anyone at Microsoft be able to view your files?
Remember when Apple and U2 collaborated to forcibly download U2's latest (at the time) album onto everyone's Apple device without warning or the device owners permission? Everyone just woke up one day with the new U2 album on their personal apple device, regardless on weather they wanted it or not. Apple isn't the only company with that kind of backdoor hard coded into their OS and if you think that backdoor only goes one way then you are in for a rude awakening.
The issue is that even if it could be disabled, there are tons and tons of caveats. Say you want to cut back on the shitton of telemetry on Windows because itnslows down your system, but want security updates? You're shit out ofnluck and there is no simple method of ensuring or checkingbwhat has and hasn't been turned back on, so either you don't update and risk bad security or you do and slow your system down since you haven't been able to pick and choose your updates since win8.1. Thats just a small example but many many annoyances trickle through until its just death by a thousand cuts.
Even if Linux isn't perfect NAD has its own fair share of upkeep, I don't have to fight it every step of the way just to do exactly what I want it to do. I'm in control and not the other way around.
>when you only have to do it upon a fresh install?
This isn't true. Both telemetry and news in the search have been changed multiple times over through updates and had to be changed through different means.
"You can just disable the things you don't like" is infinitely more true for Linux than for Windows.
homie if u connected to internet you spied upon no matter what kind of operating system you fancy
>Muh freedom
>Uses Ubuntu
>Installs Steam
>Has a youtube account
>Uses google search
>Uses Ganker
>Installs addons on his browser
>Downloads torrents without VPN
Just say you're a contrarian.
And? You're not interesting, I'm not interesting. Nobody is sifting through our daily tasks. Every app and website just wants to know congregate data across millions of users.
You lose nothing from being spied on, and gain nothing from hiding. You are a lot more extra busywork just to hide your data which doesn't matter.
>now let me tell you about how your privacy isn't important and how you shouldn't care
If it's not important either way there's no reason fine here to tell people how it's not important you fricking glowie
When you're taking a shit what your doing is not important, everyone knows why you go to the toilet, but you close your door, you don't shit on the public place like a fricking pajeet because you want privacy.
I simply don't want people to know the stuff I do or like or it being leaked online because some moron doesn't know how to secure a server.
Why even post here as anonymous and not just roll out here all your data for us? What do you have to lose?
Everywhere you click on a website is tracked, even where your mouse is resting, that's tracked.
All I'm saying is that it's futile.
I know I can't be 100% anonymous, the gov can do whatever they want. But there are things you can do between faking your death and living in the middle of the woods and installing on you and your home every gayMAN smart device.
It's kinda like a having a high res picture of you and blurring it so there's less and less details you can see. I know I won't get a single color canvas, but I can try to remove as much detail as I am able and comfortable with.
I don't know why the apathetic insist on making others apathetic as well
Learned Helplessness at its finest here
Just because you can't control everything doesn't mean you shouldn't make strides to do so.
>Nobody is sifting through our daily tasks.
the AI algorithms are and have all the data ready in any chance you become an interesting person
Microsoft.
I just dont want ads in my start menu sorry
to put it simply
windows takes control from the user, they won't even let users change the position of the dock anymore. It's clear that obfuscating ownership and spying are coming before having a good OS.
Also my games work on linux, so i lose very little.
also if you're really unsure, just try linux on an old laptop, it will give the old laptop new life and let you try it without losing windows.
Why is customization so important? When I was a teen in decorated everything to feel special but now everything is just a tool and there's no benefit from moving things around when they're in the right place to begin with. That way you can log on to any computer and know where everything is.
Because some people like customizing their systems and having more options to do so is objectively a good thing?
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
fricking security manager or whatever that annoying popup is that you get the first time you want to change practically any setting
and then you go into options for that and set it to "never ask me this shit again your annoying frick", and then IT FRICKING POPS UP AGAIN when you want to confirm your choice
it's a bloated mess that would make my computer run even worse than it already does
I switched to Linux around the time of Windows Vista, which was what, 2007?
got really used to the virtual desktops, which I enjoyed for quite a few years before Windows got them in Windows 10
I know, man... even when you deliberately disable an annoying feature, it will bring it back after an update and they think that by having the courtesy of talking to you about it, it'll be somehow less offensive. I disabled the search bar in the down left corner (windows 10) since forever because it's pointless, since you can search even without it being there, you can just type what you want after you click at the start button, but then they brought it back after some dumb update and were all like: "We re-enabled the search bar for you. We hope you like it." that shit pisses me off to no end... the sheer amount of BLOAT that the OS have in it out of the box is insane. It's constant nagging about edge, microsoft account, xbox, suggestions, candy crush and etc... The nail in the coffin last week was when It updated and would give me a bsod unless I disabled avast completely. Then I just said frick it and installed Pop_Os! It's cool and all but I'm thinking about chanting it to something else. It crashes on No Man's Sky and my Heroic (epic store) games won't save and I can't find solution to it.
>or can I trust that the OS I've been using for almost 30 years will continue to function the way I want it to?
As soon as you "upgrade" from 7 and basic functions start failing you frequently, you'll understand.
I'm on windows 11
Then you already know Windows breaks on you far more often than Linux.
Holy cuck. Sorry lad, the brain rot has set in, you're beyond help.
Becoming more predatory every new release.
It's an endless amount of little niggles combined with the various things that make people hate MS. You look at your shiny new Win XP desktop. You look into the customization options, only to find an arbitrarily restrictive set of colours for no reason. You wait, surely 7 will be better- yet it forces that uneven translucency shit because muh Aero, despite it being ugly and useless. You set a colour, crank opacity up as high as you can- but the Windows logo remains for the Start button, as ugly as ever. Set all that aside. Suppose I want to watch a movie or something while I finish up some task. I want to keep the movie window on top, obviously, no need to have it obscured by Notepad or whatever-but it's simply not an option! None of these basic, easy things are problems on your average Linux distro. Then you have MS constantly making things worse- normalgays are scared by informative BSoDs, change it to UWU SOMEFING BWOKE :(. Normalgays prefer phones, let's change to some half-assed phablet UI! Forced updates, forced spyware, gay ass horseshit everyone hates, bloat out the ass. I stick Xubuntu on some old shit netbook to try it out before sticking it on a brand new laptop, and suddenly the decaying old thing is more responsive than the new Windows machine. I start using Xubuntu more, I get used to the conveniences, the more pleasant UI, the fricking package manager. I go back to Windows at some point and now everything's a chore. But it also keeps getting worse.
based. i hate linux but your arguments are extremely solid
I don't like it, my reasons are too numerous and/or personal to list here.
Dont switch if you don't want to, no one cares.
Another avenue cropped up and I've had a steaming turd waiting for Microsoft due to the fact that the security on their software is dogshit, and constantly need to update. Plus I lost an email account tied to live with no way of gaining access and had to make a whole new one with gmail way back when.
I took the leap of faith to Linux Mint and realized it was less of a leap of faith and more like an anticipated step down the stairs, but you're already down the entire way so you kind of just catch yourself.
Linux has made it almost moron proof on actually using their distros due to fact that you can basically run almost game on Wine/Proton, and there are Linux ports or equivalents of all the shit you use outside of gaming.
It does make it harder for your friends to play games with you since if there's some troubleshooting involved, it will certainly frick the idea away, but that's in cases where the game as some kind of anti-cheat that ABSOLUTELY CANNOT RUN ON ANYTHING BUT WINDOWS. That's neither here nor there, it's smooth, efficient, and does what I expect it to do.
i want control over MY pc.
i don't want ads on my fricking pc.
i don't like being spied.
i don't want bloat.
i don't want forced updates.
I switched from Windows 7 to Linux two years ago because i got tired of MS bullshit. Windows has been going downhill for a long time but the way they handled everything post 7 just pissed me off.
>Windows 8 happens
>tablet OS without Start Menu
>shit performance and ugly
>skip it and stick to 7 assuming this is just another frick up like the initial Vista release
>8.1 basically just adds the Start Menu back but the thing remains ass
>wait for Windows 10
>it gets announced
>now they try to force this account shit on me
>Cortana spyware trash
>the Start Menu is the same shitty one they put into Windows 8 and terrible to navigate
>still decide to stick with 7 to see how things develop over time
>all PCs at my work get upgraded from 7 to 10
>have to work with it every day from that point on
>it's shit
>suddenly certain games like Yakuza stop working on my Windows 7 Home PC cause i lack the requirements
>decide to give openSUSE a try instead after buying new parts
>everything i wanna play works
>play Yakuza 7 like i originally wanted to with no downsides, no crashes, just a great experience that i would have expected on Windows
>never look back
It's spyware
Most of my non-game software works off of it
I'm not relying on some crack that may or may not be supplied by microsoft themselves
I haven't liked how windows looked since XP
I got sick of windows 8.1 deleting some of my windows store downloads AND downloading shit I didn't want
Sick of the windows store asserting elevated privileges over software that was downloaded that made management of them annoying
I just don't like microsoft
It's easier to set up linux than windows, and I mean, actually fully set up which is including defanging windows and/or installing all my bullshit
And when I say "most of my non-game software" works on it.
I don't mean my games don't.
Because they do.
Linux at least has the decency to spy on me subtly
For me it was Windows becoming more and more bloatware. Tons of processes that I don't know what do, that I cannot shut down without shutting down entire OS, ram being taken away by who knows what process, some sneaky options deep within settings that slow down the PC and internet etc. I had the feeling of not really "owning" my PC, just using it because there was just so much going on in the background without my knowledge or approval.
With Linux I can mix and match individual packages I want on my PC, I don't have to install anything that I do not approve of and I can customize it to my heart content.
Should you switch? I dunno, despite Proton being some serious dark magic compared to piece of shit that old Wine used to be Windows is still better OS just for gaming. Linux is NOT for people that have vidja games as their main hobby - Linux is for people that like to mess around with stuff on their PC as a hobby. Yes the big part of that is gaming but also just general OS tinkering, optimization, trying out different apps, learning new tricks etc.
>apps
They're called programs, zoomie.
It's also a shorthand for "application" which has been PC terminology for quite a while now.
But I admit zoomie language has probably infested my brain by now so I can communicate successfully with my younger work colleges. And I'm afraid it's terminal, there is no cure for me.
>Linux is NOT for people that have vidja games as their main hobby
I disagree
Gaming on Linux has really had a boom in functionality thanks to the Steam Deck. The only games I've given up with the switch from Windows is CoD and Destiny 2. Halo Infinite may or may not work given whatever the frick update 343 decides to push, but Halo MCC works perfectly.
The only multiplayer games you have there are FFXIV and Halo MCC
Those are like the only two multiplayer games that work on Linux
Incorrect. Those are just the ones I've installed.
Final list. Keep in mind these are just the game I personally own.
Only one I noticed
Frick. Thanks anon.
also
>any Afps
>any valve game
>many of the older cods
>OW
>warframe
>POE
>payday
>Minecraft
>bannerlord
>sea of thieves
and many many more
>Payday
Bad news buddy
people on linux just use the windows version with proton, not ideal, but the worst thing is that you may need to copy the save over.
Just played some Titanfall 2, CS2 last week-end, and I also played some For Honor and Ghost Recon Breakpoint with a friend a month ago.
I also had great fun playing with friends some project zomboid.
You might want to take a look about a few examples: https://areweanticheatyet.com/
FFXIV actually doesn't work on linux, you have to use XIVlauncher because the official launcher is some internet explorer abomination that wine can't render properly.
Anyway I play monster hunter, planetside, terraria, tf2, all Larian games, 20XX, 30XX, and Path of Exile just fine. For multiplayer games, anyway.
Sure but there is still handful that will not work. I'm not sure if LoL for example is playable due to their kernel level anti-cheat, I remember that being an issue for a while, not sure if it still is.
Regardless, while Steam Deck has Linux distro preinstalled with all setup already done, for PC you will be expected to tinker a bit with it. And I think you will have just in general better experience with Linux if you like the tinkering process in the first place. People that use their PC like a gaming console where they expect to just turn it on a play the game might be disappointed with the experience.
But yes I'll 100% agree that gaming on Linux nowadays is massively easier that it used to be even 5 or 10 years ago and it might be the best time to try it out now with the huge support Steam is giving it.
I have no interest in downloading or using Steam. Is Linux still viable?
https://heroicgameslauncher.com/
Yeah. You'd just use Lutris, Bottles, or Heroic instead.
Piracy stuff works just fine on linux, and sometimes is even necessary.
Other launchers like Lutris works fine but getting Proton is almost a must because it has much better compatibility than Wine. The easiest way of obtaining it is through Steam but you can get it through other means too.
Yeah, you can just download games from GoG and double click them.
Are those exe installers and windows versions?
Some games on GOG provide native builds. I've never had difficulties running Windows builds through Wine or Proton, but admittedly if I'm getting a game off GOG it's more often to grab the data for a native sourceport or to run in my native DOSBox install.
I used Windows 10 LTSC for four years until it would update and break my graphics driver (AMD). To fix it I would have to reinstall the driver, forcing me to restart my PC twice. It did this several times a week despite me going through at least four different update menus and disabling updates relevant to this issue, following a guide on the Microsoft website.
After getting tired of this I switched to Linux Mint and I've had no technical issues since. Not had any issue with running games either natively or via Proton. I still have to use Windows 10 on my work laptop and it's such a slow and inconsistent piece of shit, I'd change it but it's not my property, and of course all my accounts are tied up with the OS installation itself.
Oh yeah my work laptop also gives me occasional popups asking if I would recommend a Windows laptop to others.
Just be a man and install the fricking penguin
>Not trying to start shit.
doubt.jpg
For me it was because Windows started to feel like it was actively working against me all the time. Auto-updates at inconvenient times, re-enabling garbage like onedrive without asking, useless desktop notifications and constant hard drive activity making everything sluggish I was still on a HDD back when I switched. And sure, you can fix most of these issues and then never update the system again so your changes don't get reverted, I know W10 can be somewhat tolerable, but I also know it won't last forever and Windows is only becoming worse with each version.
When Linux sucks, it's almost always due to a lack of 3rd party support, but that can become better over time. When Windows sucks, it's due to Microsoft and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
>can I trust that the OS I've been using for almost 30 years will continue to function the way I want it to?
I wouldn't count on that.
Windows doesn't have GNOME simple as
What does Gnome have over KDE currently?
>doesn't krash
>properly supports wayland
>designed for keyboard oriented workflows while not being some buggy troon wm
>GNOME circle
>extensions crash every minor update
>new thumbnails only load AFTER opening the folder again
those are my problems with it
Seia is so adorable, I love the way she can't make any sound.
But that is a reason to actually use windows. Gas the footgays now!
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
Registry kinda sucks, too much OS overhead for some of my dev work to be as comfy as Linux, and plenty of the reasons listed by other anons. I still play some games exclusively on Windows, however.
>Should I seek out reasons to make the change to Linux
Probably not a complete switch, but there's no reason not to play around with it in a virtual machine to familiarize yourself with it before you install it (dual boot if you're not ready to abandon Windows).
Bloat, ugly design, and M$ forcing shit on you (no, I don't want these audio drivers that make my system crash). Honestly, if you didn't feel anything when Windows 10 came out Linux isn't for you. Windows 7 was the last good Windows. I only moved to Linux a couple of years ago because that's when the gaming support REALLY started getting better.
Ok I want to try linux. What distro is the best?
>Ok I want to try linux.
Sweet!
>What distro is the best
Arch, but don't try Arch.
Use Mint or Nobara to get a feel for things first. Only move on to Arch if you feel like you need to or feel like you would have fun tinkering with it.
distro is not a big deal, always use what works best for you, but generally arch is the best one, alibiet not the most newbie friendly, though you can use endeavor if you want to jump to arch immediately.
Gentoo
try ubuntu
Arch and Debian are the best. Fedora is up there too.
Good starters are Nobara and PopOS, maybe Endeavour if you want to get into Arch.
I love windows 7 and i think it's the perfect OS, but instead of making a better windows, microsoft made several worse versions of it and forced you to use it.
So i have to use linux to get something that is as nearly as good but actually supported by the software.
Android envy killed windows.
Unnecessary bloat.
>every applications needs at least one other application in order to run
lol, yeah, it's windows that has bloat problems
Fricking what?
>linux user
>doesn't understand communication
classic
hello sir
Unless you're talking about a cartridge game, that's how it works.
Even playstation games need the bios to run.
What program does Spotify, Steam, Google Chrome, or Discord require to function correctly on Linux?
>complains about bloat
>simps for Spotify, Steam, Google Chrome, and Discord
classic
>linux user doesn't understand idiom
classic
>linux user thinks doing the same thing wrong twice will make it work
classic
The linux kernel, x11 (or wayland if you're moronic), and several libraries. also the google chrome engine on all of em
>The linux kernel
That's the fricking OS, you god damned moron. Try running fricking anything on Windows without FRICKING WINDOWS
>x11 (or wayland if you're moronic)
First, wayland is better than X11. Second, you don't need it to RUN anything. You need it to display things.
>and several libraries
Yes. Where as Windows bloats its files and installations by requiring the programs you install to come packaged with all of their requirements, Linux allows every program to pull from the same installation of a needed library. This cuts out massive amounts of bloat.
>also the google chrome engine on all of em
Chromium is a library. It gets pulled the first time it's required and then all programs that require it use that single install. On Windows each program would come packaged with it's own copy.
>understands file directories
>doesn't understand most of the world has neither the time nor the temperament to frick around with file directories all day
classic
You don't have to frick with anything. Your package manager does it all for you.
>you don''t have to manage your files
>you just have to manage a file manager
HAHAHAHA
sudo pacman -S [Thing you want to download]
Oh god! It's so much management! How will I ever manage to type a single fricking command!? Linux is so much work!
>right-click, save as
>or drag and drop
>why would anyone do something so simple
>when they can remember command lines that barely infer their purpose
lol
>right-click, save as
>or drag and drop
You can do that on Linux too.
Proof?
That's Chrome, not Linux.
So?
That's a DE, not Linux
Okay, now you're just shitposting.
He was doing that the whole time
Not him but holy shit, I love the icon theme. What's the name of it?
Obsidian
How did you proceed to install the icons with success? I know how to do that, I just wanna learn the steps so I can be sure I'm not fricking it up myself.
Papyrus looks like flatshit. Not really my cup of tea.
looks like faenza, I use papyrus myself but would likely use buuf if it had more icons
>if you can't have perfect privacy you should show your gaping butthole to everyone
privacy absolutists are so fricking moronic, if you have the option to use two things and only one takes your data why would you go out of your way to use the other if the one you pick covers your usecase? Nothing in this life is perfect but that doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to do better.
Not that I use ubuntu (though their telemetry is opt-in and can be turned off), or google services, the only addons I have are ublock and sidebery (which doesn't require internet access), steam only knows of what you do with the client compared to having access to your files or browsing history, and I don't torrent shit without a vpn.
>unzip
>double click it and it just runs, no install, no typing, no nothing in all platforms
Indeed.
But you do need other programs to run programs, not only on linux but on windows and MS-DOS and basically anything that is not a cartridge system, excluding systems that can't run code directly from it, like the DS and up or nintendo 64.
>wayland is better than X11
>forced composition
>forced vs*nc
Black person
X11 is a rotting corpse.
it's also the only thing that works with the most popular brand of graphics cards
so until nvidia gets off their ass and fixes their drivers, that corpse is here to stay
Nvidia is under 20% of Linux users, and modern Nvidia hardware is under 10%.
Seems like most users know Nvidia isn't working to solve their problems.
Won't be too long until Nvidia in the Linux market looks like AMD in the Windows market.
A Windows update broke my whole system in 2014. Decided to switch to Linux because i was extremely pissed off. 4 years of Multiboot but almost never booted Windows, so i got rid of Windows completely in 2018. Very happy i did.
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
>UWP shits
>TPM
>lgbt and israelite stuff in start menu
>forced updates
>You can't uninstall some stuff (Hi-Rez launcher)
>UI
>Taskbar
>Less customization
Things I love about Linux:
>KDE gives better customization
>Sometimes proton gives better performance
>gamescope doesn't let game mess with my main resolution and gives pixel and aspect ratio perfect upscale
>Some FOSS linux only programs are better like Kdenlive, Ark, gnome-disk, most file managers
>package managers
>lgbt and israelite stuff in start menu
>uses trans distros instead
flawless logic
Linux is simpler. It doesn't remove features, move settings around or completely change the UI with every new version. I have the control over these things, while still getting security upgrades and new software.
I think its a good idea to have options so I'm not at the mercy of one company who holds a near monopoly on gaming.
Because an OS should be in the background, doing what it’s told like an obedient child.
Every version of windows past 7 has seen MS try to turn windows into a nagging, israeli housewife constantly kvetching at you
>put on your firewall, or you’ll catch a malware
I want my os to just stfu and stay out of my way. No forced updates, no nagging to use this or that connected service, search engine or browser.
No forced updates I can’t (easily) opt out of…
Basically windows has just gotten really fricking creepy and instructive. I use Linux already for work, games work well enough via proton. W10 is manageable for now, but it’s at the breaking point.
What I’ve seen of 11 is just hopeless. Change for the sake of change, ms connected apps/services shoehorned everywhere.. yeah frick right off Redmond.
Windows is absolutely terrible as a software development environment. Linux is a software development platform first and foremost.
Leaving that problem aside, though, Windows hasn't been a proper productivity OS that gets out of your way and lets you do shit since 7. It's all about seizing control from you now, like macOS and android.
>It's all about seizing control from you now, like macOS and android.
That’s the most succinct way to put the evolution of windows.
It’s so fricking tiresome.
Its because Microsoft is a victim of their own success. They made it impossible for anyone else to make money by selling good operating systems, and in the process made it impossible for themselves to make more money selling good operating systems.
Which is why their focus now is on subscription services, data mining, and advertising.
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows
It's so fricking buggy and overall works so bad in my experience that I'd rather spend a day crafting an arch installer script than use windows.
Plus, 99% of the time I would have to reinstall windows in less than a month because it would just malfunction and I would literally be unable to put it to sleep or power it off, and I'm not even speaking of the computer powering on mid night by itself to install updates.
>inb4 install this debloat script
I'd rather use linux that does 100% of what I want and better, than have to fight a multi trillion dollar company anti consumer schemes.
>Serious question. Not trying to start shit.
you're clearly starting some shit right here. cease and desist these foolish actions
The idea of not feeling in control of my PC is infuriating so Windows has become unusable for me.
I want to change to Linux, but my big boy job requires a secure proxy login which only allows Windows and MacOS. I tried Linux via Steam Deck for a test, and my IT department told me not to use Linux for it again.
>updates
For some reason, Windows demands my attention every time it updates, and half the time needs to restart, so I lose all my open windows and workflow. Linux just works and does it in the background. According to the logs, it updated a few packages this morning, and I didn't even notice.
>spyware (AKA "telemetry")
Frick this bullshit making me cattle to MS's advertising department. Selling my behavioral data to governments and companies. I wont be their slave.
>usability
A tiling window manager is more productive than what comes with Mac and Windows.
Windows 11 ruined the task bar completely by making it a copy of OS X
Windows 95 got it right on the first try, by showing just what's actually open and using a color change to notify you of stuffs.
Windows vista even managed to make it better by allowing programs to use it as a progress bar.
But nope, gotta copy that clutered shit with the autism dot from OSX
Windows is just slower than other operating systems. I need the fastest OS available.
I want to master the technology I use, not be mastered by it.
>>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
>despite being named ~~*Windows*~~ it never remembers positions of windows and sucks at managing them
>no available tiling window managers
>powertoys zones is a shitty attempt at mimicking tiled layouts, also forgets the zones per display EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE DRIVERS
>NTFS is garbage, BSODs all the time if you run Windows software raid; and this also prevents any other Windows installation on the same PC since the installer BSODs even when installing to different media if the other install exists at all on the system
>required reboots on every little update, multiple times and not even batched together at that
>Microsoft's business practices are deplorable and the entire company deserves the rope
>win11+ force TPM usage, Secure Boot, etc. because they claim it protects the average user (read: morons); don't force your decisions on me
>paid OS that pokes you for a new license every time you swap motherboards or storage; yes you can get it for free but Microsoft by design bakes the price into OEM costs and the normal user won't be circumventing the standard procedures if they decide they need to buy an OS for their adult lego build
>win11 removes customization as if Microsoft is trying to be Gnome devs
>win11 on work laptop fails to wake from sleep 90% of the time
>Microsoft Store randomly broke and required me re-enabling their shitty background services and updooting for it to work again so I could use winget once more; thanks pajeet help articles
>codecs for video playback arent installed by default and Microsoft sells them on the shitty Store app
>the OS itself is bloated and just feels sluggish even if you toggle off all of the animations, but perhaps i'm just too used to Linux on a TWM at this point
>ads in start bar, on bootup, in start menu, etc.; yes you can turn these off but the latest (and last) win10 update re-enabled all of them even though they had been disabled since install
>win11 on work laptop fails to wake from sleep 90% of the time
my home laptop is set to never go to sleep, never hibernate, never require me to login... and i have to wake it up and login all the fricking time. one of the PCs at work is set the same and it not only goes to sleep and requires a login... but it's CLOSING EVERYTHING TOO. our service manager used to log in to all his shit once a month on his win7 PC and now he's wasting up to 20 mins a day opening all his shit twice. another coworker's laptop behaves like mine at home does, but it also flips out and loses it's connection to the shared network folders, refusing to re-connect until you reset the network adaptor
complex systems will not survive the competence crisis
what TWM do you use?
i3/sway
>"buh i dun wanna do no winduhs update"
>manually updates every application every other day
lol linux gays
Linux can update itself while allowing you to use the computer, windows has to lock you to a moronic blue screen like a 1993 OS
>i have so many important things to do on linux while i'm updating linux
>like reconfiguring linux
>entering commands to update
>thinking you can't control when windows updates happen
no THIS is some 1993 shit
and the best part is that they all still work before AND after the updates
you can't control when windows updates happen
>no THIS is some 1993 shit
>he's proud of having to fight against his OS
lol
lmao
>fight against his OS
>clippy
yep, sure is 93 in here
Were you niglets even alive when these were issues, or are you just parroting Linux forum memes?
must be nice living life in such ignorance, anon
if not being an underage contrarian virgin is ignorant then i'm dumb as shit
Mine just keeps working without bothering me with something every 5 minutes.
How it is to share your computer with clippy?
>Type "yay"
>Hit enter
>Type password
>Hit "y" for yes
That's how you update Arch/EndeavourOS.
That's it.
That's the whole process.
Not only do I control WHEN this happens, but I don't have to reboot after.
You don't even have to type "y", just enter that shit
Windows is the platform where you have to update each application individually, though.
maybe, but i CHOSE when i want to update, you fricking cuck.
I'm holding off on updating until the next version of bluez drops. I had to downgrade to 5.68 because a bug in 5.69 and 5.70 is causing PS5 controllers to not work.
You can't do that in Windows.
Yet another winjeet lie
Spyware. Slow. Security liability. Soul destroying. LMDE is a breath of fresh air.
Having grown up with DOS, I like that the terminal is an important and useful tool, and settings being kept in hand-editable configuration files just makes sense to me. Much more finesse than stumbling around Windows' control panels trying to find where they hid the setting I'm looking for.
for me, it's how Microsoft appears to be moving towards a walled garden approach like what Apple already does
I have no interest in asking permission from MS to do things on my own computer, assuming that they'll even still let me do them
plus, putting ads in random spots is simply greed on their part
and if the rumors are true, 12 will have some sort of subscription system
W10 normie here. I literally just had to change my login from 4 digits to 6 for no reason and I'm forbidden from taking the steps needed to put it back. I'm probably too old and stupid now to ever change but if it's not too late for you, escape. It WILL be worth it. No matter how much you say "oh that doesn't matter", there WILL be something they do to frick you over that does matter.
My reasons
>Incredibly naggy, won't let me just do my own thing in peace
>if anything goes wrong we won't give you any meaningful information for you to solve the problem
>overrides newer amd drivers with their own, older, distributed ones, causing issues
>shitass telemetry
I'm not even against telemetry, but it has to be handled transparently. Opt-in, you have to be clear what you send, the user must be able to see the logs that get sent, and you must be able to fully disable it, windows fails on all fronts here.
>"just download this and..."
no program is going to run with higher privilege elevation than windows itself, you have no way to know if the blackbox is actually neutered and an update will bring them back anyway. The only way you can make sure it's not phoning home is using a firewall on your router.
>uses their domination position to push competition down, harming consumers
their bootloader makes it impossible to boot non-windows operating systems, activex on IE, IE itself being embedded and unremovable from operating systems, media foundation and directx making it harder to run games outside their ecosystem, the ooxml "standard", charging oems licenses for every computer even when the computer in question doesn't come with windows so they'd be less likely to sell computers with a different system (as then they'd have to pay two licenses), spreading fud about the competition, and who knows what the frick else.
Also many fricks up when it comes to security https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-details-how-chinese-hackers-acquired-signing-key-for-outlook https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/12/microsoft-digital-certificates-have-once-again-been-abused-to-sign-malware/ https://duo.com/decipher/lapsususd-group-claims-to-leak-microsoft-source-code
This ended being too fricking long so 1/2
2/2
Linux works the way I want and plays the games I want, plasma lets me configure my desktop the way I like and there's nothing I'm missing from windows, which isn't to say there might not be things you won't miss.
For example, if you have an HDR display, you won't get it working on linux without fiddling (and an AMD GPU) unless you get a steam deck, though this is very much a work in progress so it's not like it's going to be this way forever. Not every game works on linux, thousands do, but that's not everything, games with KERNEL anticheat tend to not work, though games using EAC or BE can easily allow linux users (but it requires dev to want to do so). Some games using media foundation for their videos don't work, due to their licensing you can't play those videos outside windows, that said valve transcodes videos for a lot of games to get around this, and GE proton (a fork from someone unrelated to valve)has media foundation shit in that allows most games which don't yet have videos transcoded to have them play.
If you're perfectly happy with your system and you aren't bothered by the way microsoft handles things, then there's no reason for you to switch to linux, the workflow is different but whether you'll prefer it over windows' is not something others would be able to guess. You will inevitably need to do some fiddling specially if you try to morph operating system B to work as close as possible as operating system A, and power users tend to have a harder time switching because they need to "unlearn" a lot of windows-ism. If you're still curious you can try distros live without installing them from a thumb drive or a virtual machine without affecting your base system.
oh and I love kde connect (doesn't actually require kde), I can share clipboard, media playback control, and files between computers or phones on the same lan (or I guess anywhere if you setup a vpn)
>if anything goes wrong we won't give you any meaningful information for you to solve the problem
Honestly this shit bothers me the fricking most.
>OH SORRY, YOU GOT ERROR 232-984091EEFFB12
Maybe if you're lucky it will actually give you something human readable otherwise you're generating more traffic for their website.
Genuinely, Windows is great, but Microsoft has increasingly been forcing their shit on me ever since 10 came out. Windows 11 is bad because they're trying to reinvent the wheel and taking out usability options in the process.
That said, Linux distros are even worse than being forced to use Win11 at this point. Linux is great as a base OS for server software, mobile OS or even if you're exclusively using a web browser or Steam just to launch games. If you need an actual desktop environment that makes sense, it all falls apart. Linux devs cannot into user experience.
>Genuinely, Windows is great
How exactly Windows is great? What part of Windows is great?
Cinnamon is literally just the Windows DE ported to Linux, and all Distros can download it/install with it.
Tried it, it was better than most but still not good.
Can you recommend a good distro? I've tried a bunch and they all have severe flaws.
I didn't say it could. The underlying OS is still great.
>Can you recommend a good distro? I've tried a bunch and they all have severe flaws.
It is less that they have "severe flaws" and more that it sounds like you've never used one long enough to get over the culture shock of getting used to something different.
You are also almost certainly trying to run Linux on a machine that was built to run Windows. So much of the user experience that users of MacOS or experienced Linux users enjoy comes from having compatible hardware.
There is no 'secret sauce' in SteamOS for instance, despite the fact Valve did a ton of work to make the hardware compatible, all of that work is upstream and in every up to date distribution.
>The underlying OS is still great.
Its an ok clone of VMS, but its legacy support layer is bad, it only works on AMD64/x86, and it lacks a lot of modern OS features that have become essential.
What exactly about it is 'great'? The Linux compatibility layer?
>bro you just didn't get over the culture shock of having nothing work because a guide that was written last week is already outdated and updating your OS from a fresh install corrupts the file system and none of the 4 types of executables work with your distro because it uses type 5 and you can't actually run anything without manually changing file permissions on 20 different folders and hang on a minute there, partner, you're going to have to read this book on how to install this software you installed linux for in the first place because it has like 40 dependencies to install first but you won't know you can't even run it until 4 hours later when dependency 9 isn't compatible with your distro
You're right, I never really got over the shock of how terrible the Linux desktop experience is. At least with my server I can just SSH in and it mostly just werks because people actually actively use server software.
>of having nothing work
Which again makes it sound like you tried to force Linux to work on a Windows system, but then the rest of your post is idiotic trolling so I kind of doubt even that much.
>people actually actively use server software.
Hard as it may be to believe, desktop GNU/Linux has more users than GNU/Linux server software. Its not the 90s anymore when it was only used by sysadmins and UNIX devs.
Freshly formatted ext4 drive. Nice attempt at damage control though.
>desktop GNU/Linux has more users than GNU/Linux server software
That's hard to believe. Mobile, absolutely, but desktop? I'd love to see the source. Who knows, maybe there are a lot of masochists out there.
>Freshly formatted ext4 drive.
Uh what? That's a non-sequitor. What's the hard drive format have to do with using a system that has hardware which is only really fully supported on Windows?
>I'd love to see the source.
Linux is at 7% of desktop systems, potentially as high as 11%. The majority of which are normal users, running hardware designed to run Linux. Not even 1% of desktop users globally are Linux sysadmins.
I suppose it's a non-sequitor[sic] to assume the hardware is not supported after it was running on multiple Linux distros.
>Linux is at 7% of desktop systems
Okay and what number is that? How many servers are running GNU/Linux server software? And once again, I'd love to see the source on your information.
>How many servers are running GNU/Linux server software?
That is different to the number of users who have to manage or develop the server software which as I say is less than 1% of users.
If you want a segment where only knowledgeable users are involved in running serious business, Windows is so bad now it has 0% of the High Performance Computing market.
>Okay and what number is that
With about a Billion desktop users out there, about 70 million users.
>after it was running on multiple Linux distros.
Except that you also describe multiple issues that would only happen with unsupported or poorly supported hardware. Clearly this is a system that was not built with the idea of running Linux in mind.
The curation of the hardware is what makes MacOS and pre-installed Linux so good, and to be fair to Windows the lowest-common denominator hardware choices of its OEMs is one of its biggest problems.
Still if you take a system that was designed to run Linux, and try to run Windows on it you're going to have even more problems.
So no source, got it.
Do you really need to be spoon fed this much? The most popular Desktop GNU/Linux distribution by itself has almost 4% of users.
>B-but ChromeOS isn't a REAL Linux distribution!
By that standard only 2.28% of users run a REAL desktop version of Windows.
Which means that with 3.02% there are more real Desktop users running Linux.
Post the link and post the number of servers running Linux otherwise your original point will be discarded.
NTA but it's from this
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
So basically
>Hard as it may be to believe, desktop GNU/Linux has more users than GNU/Linux server software. Its not the 90s anymore when it was only used by sysadmins and UNIX devs
Came straight out of your ass. That's what I figured.
So wait are you really still trying to claim that there are MORE users managing Linux servers, than there are Desktop Linux users?
To me it seems like you're the one making outlandish claims without any source.
Because there is no way there are 70 million sysadmins managing Linux servers out there.
I kind of doubt there are even 6 million users managing servers which is about the number of users running Linux in the Steam stats.
You made the claim and failed to provide a source.
The source isn't wrong.
>desktop GNU/Linux has more users than GNU/Linux server software
You still have not provided a source for this claim
No, the claim came from here
>people actually actively use server software
Which suggests that there are more users managing Linux servers and paying attention for the UI for that, than there are Linux desktop users.
Which is totally unsourced, and as has been pointed out with multiple sources laughably wrong.
>desktop GNU/Linux has more users than GNU/Linux server software
You still have not provided a source for this claim
Uh oh, the bot is stuck in a loop.
I accept your concession
You are the one who made the claim and needs to provide the source. Sources have been provided for the number of Desktop Linux users, as well as Linux gamers.
Where is the source for there being more than 70 million people managing Linux servers?
Doubling down on being moronic is my favorite way one can concede to me. How'd you know?
So you are really sticking with the claim there are more than 70 million Linux sysadmins out there constantly managing Linux server software?
Despite the fact you never provided any source for that. Hell I'd take a source on there being more than 7 million Linux sy admins.
>there are more than 70 million Linux sysadmins out there constantly managing Linux server software
Source?
Sources keep getting provided for everything and you ignore them. Where is your source that there are still more users managing Linux servers than there are Desktop Linux users?
Not even 1 system running Windows. How embarrassing for Microsoft.
It sounds more like you're just stuck with PTSD because of Windows. There are a lot of great Linux desktops, its just that none of the major ones are (or are tying to be) an exact Windows clone.
There at least used to be a few attempts to directly clone older versions of Windows, but nobody wants to do that with 10 or 11.
>Genuinely, Windows is great, but Microsoft
Windows cannot be separated from Microsoft, so that seems pretty 'not great' to me.
They have a database of ever slur you've typed while using their OS and they WILL use it against you when they can.
Dualboot Nobara and see for yourself. Give yourself 50-100 GB and use it for a week. Wife and I made the switch, but we still have windows just in case.
They keep adding in crap with every update and this OS has spyware like you wouldn't believe. They FINALLY gave you the option to uninstall Cortana with newest update because so many people were complaining about. All these years Win11 has been out, and they just allowed you to remove a huge piece of spyware.
So why don't I switch to Linux?
>Use Oculus Rift 2 a lot and you need Windows for Virtual Desktop and Oculus app
>HDR. All my movies and TV shows are digital pirated.
>with O&OShutUp10, the spyware isn't really an issue. Just have to update it.
>>HDR. All my movies and TV shows are digital pirated.
You can kind of getting working currently but the process is somewhat involved, it should hopefully get easier soonish with plasma 6
That's not how bingo works wtf
Reminder that literally no one cares about linux desktop.
Wait, how is this even an argument? Trolling or not, a free OS/ Kernel doesn't have a market share? It's inconceivable, incomprehensible, unheard of.
But the Linux kernel has the most marketshare there, about 40%, probably plus another 2% because they're hiding other Linux distributions as "Unknown" again.
it's just a reflection of the overall market, if you compare them in any other website you will find similar results. The average is 1-2% of users on any specific platform. they have gone down in the past few months actually. I think a lot of people were trying out linux during the pandemic and now that they are back to work or school are going back to what they know.
Its not that, if you look at the Language and the hardware it becomes clear that there was a massive influx of Chinese-language users all using a uniform Intel+Nvidia 3060 combination.
Likely what happened was Net Cafes in China getting an update. The Steam Survey has had periodic issues caused by over-counting users on the same Net Cafe systems.
so at least half of linux users are chinese bots, lmao, that's even funnier
You're reading the chart wrong, this is just language. The dips in Linux use, are associated with rises in Chinese language, because the Chinese Government mandates the use of Windows OSes with their Spyware pre-installed.
This is what Linux share looks like with Chinese eliminated. Right about at 4% of English speaking Steam users. More than double the overall count.
It says the opposite, learn to read charts, anon
With Windows under 1/3 of all systems, I think its safe to say nobody cares about Desktop. If you dig into the Windows stats, it reveals that Desktop Windows vs Tablet Windows has a similar breakdown to Desktop Linux vs Tablet/Phone Linux
Which means the day of Desktop Linux passing Desktop Windows may be closer than Windows zealots want to admit, and also explains just why Windows is changing in the way that it is.
The majority of Windows users are know-nothings running the Tablet OS on pre-built users, and they're going to be "optimizing" the experience for those users.
If you care about Desktop, its time to leave Windows.
Linux is the most accessible it has ever been. Ubuntu was/is a huge thing with college students and games mostly work now. It's really not difficult to just boot up a Linux flash drive and test it out in the live installer.
There's no harm in staying on Windows if you don't like it, but just know that it's an option. You don't have to use Windows.
I only keep Windows around for games with anticheat that don't work on proton, like Siege or COD.
>Ubuntu was/is a huge thing with college students
Everything makes sense now because college students are the most obnoxious people on the planet for every field.
the interface and lack of control of it, the bullshit search, all the shit they add that you can't control downloading shady binaries to fix basic shit, forced updates...I think that's it.
I don't go around actively hating windows but whenever I have to use it now it just feels like a fricking pain.
It constantly wants to recommend me shit I don't care about and irritates me with popups.
t. windows user
A bunch of reasons.
Windows does things I don't want when I don't want it. It changes settings when I don't want it, decides on its own when to update, and now apparently pushes content its users don't want. It wasn't this bad during 7, doubly so during XP.
Any nontrivial settings are buried in menus and registry entries and other esoteric places and I know that once you go deep enough you just have to be a Windows guru to continue. At the same time it's porcelain and if you go nonstandard enough pieces of it will start to break with no way to fix it other than internet folk rituals, or a full reinstall. It rots when not routinely maintained.
Older vidya compatibility is worse than Linux nowadays. File hierarchy is all kinds of fricked. Scriptability is poor. Can't change the UI without invasive methods. Installing and updating software is a terrible chore without Chocolatey. Installing any kind of basic tools or libraries or scripting languages is FUBAR.
Overall an abominable system I can't go back to after knowing linux.
It's not that I hate windows, it's just that linux is far more comfortable to use. My old ass win10 installation is now running like trash, and I honestly don't know why. Defragmenting SSDs sounds like an useless and terrible idea, my startup/services list is maintained by hand and relatively slim, there are no weird processes running that could impact performance, yet it runs rather poorly right after bootup and running some stuff takes longer than it used to. Nothing all that painful, it's not unusable, it's not even all that dramatic, but the difference between year ago and now is here and I can feel it. Meanwhile, my horribly, horribly old debian install from around 10 years ago is still booting up in 15s, and then auto-starting firefox and communicators before my display even manages to handle resolution change and show image. Windows also can't take big folders very well, my Ganker shitpost images folder had to be split into multiple ones every time file count goes over ~1000 otherwise windows explorer shits itself and takes 1min to load the folder, then jumps all the time to load new thumbnails, meanwhile linux filesystem just takes as much as you want without a slightest slowdown.
I know exactly what's running in my loonix, I have all of the comfy scripts and configs for my use case scenarios, I have my preferred window manager and my preferred software, and I know that every time I feel like I'm lacking anything, i can either explore other options in repo or even write some tool myself and easily integrate it into OS.
And this is the core of why Linux can be good for you. It's not a better OS on its own, it's better because every single little thing in system can be changed with next to zero effort if you want it any other way. If you like the idea, install it on the side and start playing around. If you want a reliable OS and have no interest in tinkering with it, just stay on windows, there's no value in linux for you.
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
The future of Windows is Cloud Computing and your files will be read and known before and after encryption.
>Windows constantly gets slower, which means that if you want to make it fast you have to constantly reinstall
>Actual spyware
>Microsoft is consistently making shitty decisions in regards to the OS, to the point where 12 being a cloud subscription isn't seen as a massive joke
>Windows constantly gets slower
Never happened on my machine. Sounds like user error.
spotted the paid pajeet
>when pajeets are better at computing than you
Damn, whiteoids on suicide watch
>better at trying to protect the efforts of a multi-billion dollar corporation*
ftfy
:^)
Microsoft doesn't need defending, the success of Windows speaks for itself.
then why do pajeets come out of the woodwork every time people have issues with Windows?
because they outsource their customer service to them.
Probably because people who are too moronic to use the easiest OS on the market are easy targets and pajeets get a kick out of punching down.
>pajeets get a kick out of punching down.
keep going anon this is gold
>Got to its position because Bill Gates mother was on the IBM Board
>Used illegal business practices to drive all the other OS companies out of business
>Down to under 1/3 of systems vs Free UNIX-like OSes
The only thing Microsoft seems successful at are strong-arm tactics and extracting money from users.
I don't care how they made the best OS on the market. If Linux developers want me to use their hobbyist trash, they'd better program like they mean it.
Linux is straight up better for development in most cases
>Pre-installed compilers
>Package managers allow easy access to apps you need in one big download rather than searching through shit in your browser (if you dont want to use it you can still use the command line)
>Supports more languages
>Actual fricking help when you have an issue because of how Linux users are more tech savvy than Windows (lol just restart or reinstall ez)
>Most distros are faster because they require less shit than Windows
>Command line in general is significantly more powerful than anything Windows offers
>Linux is literally so much better for development that Microsoft has published a tutorial on how to create a Linux subsystem for development.
Linux is just straight up better for programming and developer workflow than Windows is its actually hilarious.
>Pre-installed compilers
>Package managers allow easy access to apps you need in one big download rather than searching through shit in your browser (if you dont want to use it you can still use the command line)
>Supports more languages
Doesn't really matter since a developer will have everything installed already
>Actual fricking help when you have an issue because of how Linux users are more tech savvy than Windows (lol just restart or reinstall ez)
Anyone who has looked for help using Linux knows the opposite is true.
>Most distros are faster because they require less shit than Windows
Negligible unless you're on an old shit box.
>Command line in general is significantly more powerful than anything Windows offers
You can use the command line in Windows as well with just as much functionality, but the difference is you don't need to for most things.
>Linux is literally so much better for development that Microsoft has published a tutorial on how to create a Linux subsystem for development.
Windows can perfectly run Linux, while the opposite is not true. You get the best of both worlds in Windows.
Actual devs don't like using linux for coding.
windows is annoying as frick but in a different way compared to linux.
Windows is annoying for all of its pop up useless bloat while linux is annoying because you have to actually research when shit goes wrong instead of having it "just werk"
I dont mind spending time optimising my pc to be perfect, so linux is the obvious choice for me but it might not be in your case if you prefer a more consistent hands free experience.
>because you have to actually research when shit goes wrong instead of having it "just werk"
except when something goes wrong in Windows and the best replies are rajeesh going "pls run scannow sir" or "you must do the reinstall please redeem"
Reminder that the year of Linux is never
my year of linux was back in 2014
I'm sorry
im not, saw the light back then and haven't looked back since
sorry for what?
our dad thought us not to be ashamed of our own distros
>Feeling sorry about people who don't feel sorry about themselves
Fricking tankies
Originally, I also didn't understand Linux users, worse, they seemed to me like hipsters. Couldn't they just use windows like everyone else?
I then got a free laptop that was trash from my high school and it came prebundled with windows 10.Thing is it ran like shit on it. So I tried Linux and at a local install party some people installed Debian with xfce on it.
First thing, the performance: the debian used a quarter of the ram and impressively enough, that piece of shit ended up being faster than my laptop. I also gained ~100kb/s of internet speed, probably as there wasn't telemetry. Insignificant but at the time I lived in a remote home with shitty ADSL.
Then, after some time, there was the customization and really the freedom. I finally felt like I actually owned my computer. I could simply do whatever on it. On Windows, you're really at the mercy of the whims from Microsoft. They can do whatever with your computer and you will be forced to take it.
Finally security. While kind of a meme, and even if at the time I knew nearly nothing about privacy, it simply felt nice knowing my computer wasn't being actively mined for every piece of data. I didn't really care about the freedom from "viruses" as I already simply used common sense.
These days when I have to use windows, be it when I'm visiting family and I have to do something on the computer, I get annoyed. Like if stuff hidden from me in the past was suddenly revealed. The slowdowns, the buggy interface, the amount of bloat, being locked down on your options and even simply the unexplained weirdness that happens sometimes and there's simply nothing you can do about.
At least on Linux it's rather easy to find a solution to your problem, even on obscure software.
What it was for me, it's simply like only drinking cheap wine (pun unintended) and finally getting to try out a very good one. Everything taste like trash after it even if you previously liked it.
Just try it out and see if you like it
I have a p similar story.
I have this laptop that had W11 on it. I absolutely hated it. It was slow and a pain in the ass to use compared to W10 (for me at least). So I did a fresh install of 10.
Then when I did, it was fine at first, but my computer started getting slower and slower.
Additionally, there were so many times where the damn thing didnt wake up from sleep mode and I had to restart it, and when I put it in sleep mode it just turns on randomly and heats up in my backpack while whirring like a jet engine.
I decided to try out Linux, creating a dual boot partition on the laptop (decided on Nobara in case I wanted to use it for my main setup)
Immediately, computer was faster and incredibly silent, no noise whatsoever. Package managers are incredibly convenient, and its nice to just update shit from the terminal with one or two commands and not worry about your OS harrasing you for updates.
It's an incredibly nice experience tbh. I'm prob gonna do a dual boot once I get another ssd I can put on my motherboard and only boot into Windows as a backup for when I need to play certain games with friends.
>can't even dowload a browser without being questioned
FRICK.OFF.
Frick. I wish Linux desktop distros weren't fricking trash. I would switch in a heartbeat.
>I would totally switch!
Every wingay on the planet says this while continuing to take it up the ass. You are a battered housewife.
you white knight an operating system for free while the rest of us live our lives
No, you just b***h and whine about how gay windows is but refuse to do anything about it. Every fricking post from wingays I see is
>if microsoft does [x] I'm really gonna do it, I'm gonna switch!
>maybe I'll switch in [arbitrary time] when linux is better
>I'm so sick of [dumb bullshit] microsoft keeps doing, if they keep this up I'm really going to switch
>this is the last straw, I'm switching to linux (doesn't do anything)
You won't do shit so shut the frick up and take it, you stupid b***h.
Bill is not a bad guy, really he isn't. He really cares about me and I shouldn't have spoken out of turn.
It was actually my fault for banging my head into the syringe.
Yeah well being a battered housewife with a roof over my head is still better than being homeless and trying to use a cardboard box as shelter
As you saw from all those posts.
Schizophrenia.
>bloatware everywhere
>spyware being the bloatware
>intrusive nagging for account linking
>piece of shit not working and getting worse each "update"
Post-Windows NT design. The design started going to shit after Win 2000.
Telemetry. What I do on my computer is none of their business.
Loss of features we've had for 30+ years like being able to move the fricking taskbar to left, right, up that Win10/Win11 pajeets decided that was no longer doable and now you need explorer patcher to do it.
Anything and everything to do with post-Win32 developer libraries. They provide a fricking program called vswhere.exe to be able to locate Visual Studio and use bat file re-directs to provide an environment to compile C/C++ through their own compiler on windows. Even Visual Studio Code relies on this by having you start the piece of shit through that cmd with env's set through the bat file to launch a dev environment where you can compile using MS's own compiler. At least they finally got the message and allowed us to download just a few gigs of build tools and not the entire Visual Studio piece of shit.
The control panel and administration tools being hidden behind five layers of obscurity or outright removed for inferior options.
Don't take this as a defense of Linux either. There's a reason I still primarily run Windows.
>Visual Studio Code
I use vim most of time for coding and never big fans of its GUI for programming.
> using MS's own compiler
I actually prefer LLVM which has a ton of cool optimization.
I think Windows has its own eco-system and it looks more friendly toward programming newbie. But once you have more experiences, Linux environment is better for productivity.
I'm sure that's why 90% of the industry prefers Windows over Linux. You must be the smartest person in the world.
it is just personal taste. There are GUIs in Linux for programming which looks similar to VSC.
BTW, 90% is probably overestimated
https://www.statista.com/statistics/869106/worldwide-software-developer-survey-tools-in-use/
>linux
>productivity
Ah yes, just spend hundreds of hours wrestling with your OS, super productive!
but enough about windows
Ah yes, Linux famously has 97% desktop marketshare because it just werks
oh wait
Windows has high marketshare because microsoft forces it on OEMs and moronic normies eat up whatever. Little timmy and his meemah don't even know what an OS is, let alone that their hardware can boot a different one, so why would they ever change? Your argument is the same as saying some shit game like CoD is actually the best game on the planet because of its popularity. It doesn't work like that.
>Your argument is the same as saying some shit game like CoD is actually the best game on the planet because of its popularity.
are linuxtards really this stupid?
>microsoft is forcing people to use the most user friendly OS on the market
lol
LMAO
chromebook a kind of proves that consumer will use whatever it has. Most normalgays just open browser and watch YouTube.
chromebook proves that even a $1.74 trillion dollar company still can't make linux a worthwhile desktop OS LMAO
>linux a worthwhile desktop OS
There is successful unix (linux-like)worthwhile desktop OS: Mac OS. Linux is still most used in servers.
Because of microsoft's israeli practices, it is cheaper for OEMs to ship windows than to ship linux despite linux literally being free and that has a massive impact on marketshare control. When was the last time you walked into a bestbuy and saw a laptop that came preinstalled with fricking linux? It doesn't happen.
>you don't understand, the israeli space lasers are ready to fire on anyone who dares to use linux desktop, the superior OS!
Linux morons are deranged
if you have to make up the most inane strawmans possible to pretend to have an argument then we're done here
>That's not me, that's just a man made of straw wearing a swastika armband! I never said anything about israelites at all! SAVE ME FUHRERBlack person!
LOL
Not him, and it probably isn't a thing anymore, but back when personal computer where in its infancy microsoft went to court over forcing oems to pay for windows licenses even when they sold computers without windows
>Virtually all major PC manufacturers find it necessary to offer Microsoft operating systems on most of their PCs. Microsoft's monopoly power allows it to induce these manu- facturers to enter into anticompetitive, long-term licenses under which they must pay royalties to Microsoft not only when they sell PCs containing Microsoft's operating systems, but also when they sell PCs containing non-Microsoft operating systems.
https://www.justice.gov/atr/complaint-us-v-microsoft
I'm well aware of what Microsoft did. Unfortunately, Windows remains the best desktop OS.
>Windows remains the best desktop OS.
No, it just remains the most common desktop OS that the average person knows best.
>it just remains the most common desktop OS that the average person knows best
And for good reason, it has the best software support and it's the most user-friendly and intuitive.
actual moron kek!
samegay
take your meds
Meemaw knows what Windows is and she's just fine with it. It's not 1998 anymore. Windows just works and she doesn't want to learn Linux or Mac.
that's the point, anon, people got windows pushed onto them and now that they learned to use it there's little incentive to use something else that they'd need to learn how to use.
Then the answer to removing Microsoft is the same as what got Microsoft started: find another big company to get normalgays used to an alternative OS. But who in their right mind wants normalgays out of their circle? That's stupid and pointless, let them stay where they are, those with any brains or dissatisfaction will move elsewhere.
It really wouldn't matter anyway. Any normie who uses windows will stick to windows because they don't want to learn a new OS and file structure. They just want to stick to what they know, same with macgays. You tell them 'hey, you should check out the new OS" and they might say 'nah, I'm just gonna stick to what I know'. The only people who are willing to change are those who actually understand why something is bad and you could give them a million reasons to switch and they'll refuse to simply because it's what they know. You could probably make a copy of windows or even make linux look like windows and normies still wouldn't use it.
>CoD is actually the best game on the planet because of its popularity. It doesn't work like that.
Objectively, it does work like that. Subjectivity is another matter.
Objectively, there is no link between popularity (or any other factor) and quality because quality is not an objective attribute.
You said best, not quality. Popularity/sales are probably the closest metric you can get to objectively measuring the "best" of something.
No, they really aren't equivalent. If he said successful, then I would say that sales and popularity would be equivalent. If your friend asks you what's the "best" microphone to buy, you wouldn't just give him whatever is trending on Amazon.
>If he said successful, then I would say that sales and popularity would be equivalent
Not really. You can sell a lot and be popular without being successful.
if you are the best seller in something and you aren't successful, you're either describing something really niche (which gaming is not) or you're doing something terribly wrong.
Yes and?
>What are your genuine reasons for disliking Windows?
Keeps crippling first party customization. Win98SE and XP were the peak of customizing windows GUI. There was also a short revival on windows 7. Now it's dead or paid content.
> I'd need to put effort into learning something different, but I also just don't have a use-case to change.
if you don't have strong motivation, just stay with Windows. if you don't mind spending some time to learn Linux, you can install Linux on VM and see how it feels. Linux isn't friendly to normal users who just browser web and play video games.
>be me in hs
>bring my thinkpad with arch to school
>plug into projector
>nothing works
>"let me fix this"
>notice driver hasn't been compiled because I wanted a minimal kernel
>"just one more sec"
>download generic kernel
>boot into it
>still doesn't work
>teacher tells me I can present another time when my computer works
>take thinkpad with me and sit in shame
>moronic windows 10 kid walks up
>plugs it in
>works
>spyware
>spyware
>spyware
you motherfrickers have phones and you use this bullshit excuse
Yeah but at least it's Linux spyware
if you don't install gapps you cut off 95% of the spying and individual apps are easy to limit in what they can do and what they can access
How is nvidia on linux?
My 1660 super always worked okay, but I switched to AMD after that so I don't know how it is with RTX and DLSS and such. Haven't heard good things though.
I don't want to go ayymd just for linux so I guess I'll keep dual booting.
I mean, you can use Nvidia, it's just clunky is the best way I can put it. It works, just not as well as AMD.
I've been dual booting because I have had very mixed results.
nvidia is fine, just remember to install proprietary driver and just look up some environment variable optimizations, you'll have an nvidia control panel like setting even if you go with X11.
It's eh, I would suggest sticking or using an AMD card.
extremely hit or miss, older generations of GPUs will run into problems i.e. 980s vs 1080ti
driver stability is terrible
I love Windows. I have several Linux isos on hand. I've installed Arch. I also have a Mac. I prefer Windows. What I don't like is Windows under the stewardship of Microsoft while living in a lawless land that refuses to hold them accountable. That's a bigger problem though.
Windows is the best OS for general use, but it's kind of fricked up how they just know anything and everything you open on your pc.
In their quest to simplify everything Microsoft have managed to make their stuff convoluted to use.
For me it's xfce
Windows 7 was nice. When windows 8 came out, I saw where this whole thing was heading, so I started dual booting linux. When windows 10 came out, and ads in your OS became the normal, I fully switched over. Now Windows 11 enforces hardware DRM, and windows 12 will probably have subscriptions, and their states goal is to fully transition into a cloud-only OS.
I'm just ahead of the curve, almost everyone who isn't an absolute normie will stop using windows soon enough, they'll be forced to.
For me it's KDE customized to resemble Unity.
Well personally I have two major active problems:
>cannot use windows store, tried all possible attempts to fix it without any luck (I hate the windows store but surprise surprise there's some things I need to use it for)
>some sort of system wide memory leak where every game performs worse and worse the longer I have it open
I just don't have problems like this on modern Linux, and when I do they're easier to fix, and if they aren't easier to fix the system is easier to reinstall without losing absolutely everything because I can separate root and user directories.
More general things I dislike about windows 10:
>super + typing to launch programs is unreliable because it launches fricking edge for a web searching it can't find something
>simple programming/scripting stuff is a pain in the ass or just not really viable as a way to actually save time
>windows explorer is kind of bad and I can't easily replace it
>settings is still terrible and far worse / less user friendly than ever Linux's settings (or at least KDE which I tend to use on linux)
>files are always all over the place for everything due to worse folder structure (where is the game's .ini/cfg? in its install folder? in My Documents? In My DocumentsMy Games? in the root user folder? in appdata? local or roaming? and that's just one example)
>just endless minor things that might only take a second from me but they add up to making a less comfy experience, for example needing to press enter then type my password every time I boot my PC instead of just typing my password
Linux is just nicer to actually use in the 2020's.
>some sort of system wide memory leak where every game performs worse and worse the longer I have it open
Is it just games or a specific game?
I mean I only notice it on demanding games, but I've seen it on a pretty wide variety of games.
I think it's a vram thing actually but wiping and reinstalling drivers hasn't fixed it so much of the same.
the microsoft store holds taiko prisoner, it's not fair, bros
The software experience itself is fine, I just hate how pozz'd + glowBlack person'd + tip microwiener is.
>runs faster
>is not spyware (Hamas uses it + Huawei phones to cuck the IDF)
>just werks
>can game on it, including emulation
>can use a VM for my autodesk and adobe software
>is fully customizable
>open source community is autistic as frick but it's a blessing for hotfixing problems
Funny thing is I was forced to use it during college, I was coursing computer engineering and they used ubuntu. Fell in love with it and ended up on team Arch 3 years ago.
I know it's been a meme for years, but I still don't understand why satania became some sort of open source symbol
she cute
Took an OS and Architecture course in college and we mostly worked with Ubuntu VMs installed on our PC and learned a lot more about it. Used it a bit in high school, but the laptop it was on sucked dick. Glad I took that course and even still have all my notes and book. I still use Ubuntu, but probably would switch to something else when the time comes, maybe once I actually build my own PC proper.
>is not spyware (Hamas uses it + Huawei phones to cuck the IDF)
Not really a good example lol
You just know they have a .png file for the map of their tunnel network. If joos can't do anything about this then it's not a bad example.
But I suppose I should've used chinese agencies instead, they run Linux to avoid globohomosexual spyware too.
The bloat, the slowdowns, the horrid UI which is duck tapped together using assets from windows verisons as old as win95, the resource hogging, the broken updates, needing to troubleshoot more and more to the point where I may as well be using some obscure Linux distro.
I like them until 7, when I felt the service was provided to me.
You dont want to upgrade no problem. You dont want this no problem and then I started seeing... if you dont update to this version you cant have this critical component, if you block this you cant use this feature. This game doesnt work in this windows version even when a hacker made a patch so it can work in the version you have.
Then changed to w10 and I bad no controlover my own system. It take my resources that I paid for and spy on me to make a profit, it doesnt work if I dont do what it tells me, then why the frick I am using this piece of shit that tells me what I want.
Change to linux, my ram is mine, my hardrive just use what I install, my internet do what I tell it to do, I can do everything that I did in windows, you dont want something open the code and change it.
Lack of documentation, lack of control. Everything is very decentralized and doesn't play well with itself. Modern windows feels more cobbled together than even the memest of Linux distros.
For task X you may have to do any of the following:
Use the control panel
Use a SPECIFIC control panel view to access the correct menu
Use a mmc
Use group policy
Use regedit
Use powershell
Use legacy cmd specifically because the command hasn't been ported to powershell yet.
In Linux you can be reasonably sure that anything you need to do can be done in the command line if you try hard enough.
Windows doesn't have a lot of very simple shit that KDE does, like snapping (windows 10/11 snapping is completely fricking useless and doesn't actually work half the time), being able to mute apps from the taskbar, being able to pin windows above or below other windows. Windows 11 even removed the ability to move the task bar to the top or right side or have it display exclusively on a non-primary monitor. Something you can still do in Windows 10.
Package management is also huge, though the windows store and chocolatey are a step in the right direction. Google has become much more dangerous to use in recent years, so installing programs outside of package management systems is asking for a bad time.
The most hilarious thing about these threads are all the linux dipshits that have spent hundreds of hours learning how to use linux and tinkering with it are the same idiots that can't spend 10 minutes turning off all the bullshit they're complaining about in windows.
>just tell Microsoft to stop spying on you haha
>Microsoft doesn't spy on me bro I opted out of that shit when I made my account!
Takes 2 minutes of reg editing to turn 100% of the telemetry shit off. Also you can use this little thing they call "local accounts" that aren't connected to any microsoft account in any way whatsoever.
Well now you're just being a little b***h.
>Takes 2 minutes of reg editing to turn 100% of the telemetry shit off.
Hahahaahaha how cute.
>i haven't used windows since w8 and still think my opinion is of value
l m a o
>windows doesn't spy on me
>I set a flag in the registry that says so
>the source code? why does it matter if I can't see what my OS is actually doing?
>why would microsoft lie to me?
>uhhh you just don't use windows!
holy cope
enjoy your spyware you fricking moron
>he thinks he has privacy
>in 2023
>as he posts from his smart phone
l m a o
I use graphene you fricking moron. But even if I wasn't, being put in a position where you have to use spyware is not a good argument for intentionally going out of your way to use more spyware when you have the option not to. Also, you're just moving the goalposts after getting your butthole shattered.
>Takes 2 minutes of reg editing to turn 100% of the telemetry shit off
and microsoft pinky promises the won't spy on you now for realsies. this totally isn't like setting a do not track flag in your browser that just makes websites try to track you more aggressively lmao
or i can use software that shows me the slightest amount of respect as its user and doesn't actively abuse me at every opportunity to extract more money out of my existence
>y-you have to do all this stuff in linux to set it up
>totally not like windows where you have to turn off the pre-installed spyware that will just be turned back on if you update again
cool.
I shouldn't have to turn off options, they should not exist or be off by default.
>set a bunch of registry flags to disable windows update
>lose out on critical security updates because windows is pajeetware filled with holes
>disable as much garbage as I can
>windows update automatically reenables it all
lol
linux just does what I tell it to
I don't have the patience for Windows. Linux just works. I liked Windows back in the early 90s because it was better than using the Tandy OS. Over the years though it's just grown into a mess and doesn't respect the user at all. It's not a stretch to say that Windows is a virus. The last time I thought I'd give Windows a fair shot I lasted less than 24 hours because Windows uploaded my personal files to the Internet from my laptop without my consent and then posted Black Lives Matters banners on my start-up screen along with a bunch of other ads. I was spending more time disabling things in Windows than using the laptop. So I put Linux back on and was back to normal in less than five minutes. Honestly don't know how you tolerate how awful Windows and Macshit is.
EAX 2.0 works in Linux.
>Everyone that doesnt like Linux is an Indian Microsoft shill
Why are you like this? stop it.
It's the only thing linux gays have in their lives to feel smug about. They think about indians 16 hours a day.
Only microjeets have a vested interest in anti-linux sentiment.
So you would rather do it for free?
How dogshit office is was my tipping point.
Fricking word nuked my thesis multiple times.
I do not understand how your flagship software can be such garbage.
Deserved for not using LaTeX like a normal person.
I do now. Supervisors wanted everything in word for whatever reason.
I lost a bunch of notes I took for my electronics course and I an assignment because word crashed. Granted I was using the school's VM version or whatever, but after that I never used it again.
Off the top of my head.
Word
>deleted over 300 citations.
>constantly changed my formatting
>deleted page breaks
>moved pictures
>had a fun loop where it would change my table of contents which would change the document length which changed the table of contents which changed the document length which changed the table of contents
>reorient pages that were set to be landscape
>rollback text which I had typed because it hadn't synced before I pressed enter
there was more than that that I can't think of.
over 300 citations.
Fricking shit, that alone would piss me off, even if it were just 10 citations.
Don't worry, it left the numbering so I had to manually go back through the document comparing it to a back up.
It all fell down for me when I got bored of Windows 10 and Windows 11 is just an upgrade with cut features. Some people value convenience over anything so they keep using it but you have got to admit it though. Windows is no longer a tool that gets things done efficiently , It is a tool with ads and services planted by investors.
I switched to linux and was happy. It is not perfect , but it is home. I prefer linux more than windows now , so many things are better.
I didn't even like Windows when it was good. I never complained more about Microsoft and Windows than I did when I had 2k/XP installed, and 2k was the best that Windows ever got. So when MS started dicking around with 8, I decided I had better things to do than argue with my PC about who the fricking owner is. Been happily using Debian for over 10 years.
On Linux I feel like I actually own my computer. There's no ads or anything promoting spending money (muh windows store, license key, office, candy crush, etc). I can do updates whenever I want, some games perform better on Linux than Windows, it use less ram, it's less bloated, it's free. It made me realize that I don't have to crack softwares, there's so many open source alternatives that do the same job or better. If you don't have to use a specific Windows software I don't see why you'd have to use Windows, you're just enabling big corporations to do more evil stuff on your computer in the future.
Has anyone ever had the wonderful experience of installing Windows updates from a fresh install of a fully supported OS? Have a story:
I insert the OFFICIAL Windows 7 DVD into my DVD drive. The very same drive that installed it off of that DVD many years ago. I want to make sure it works before I start a clean install. It no longer can read it. Why? Who fricking knows! The drive still works, and will read ANY OTHER CD OR DVD, but NOT that one. This is a common problem, look it up!
https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/storage-drives-media/why-wont-my-dvd-drive-see-the-windows-7-installation-disk/647ea819f4ccf8a8de4c2053
So you use another computer to make a disc image of your install DVD of Windows 7, and boot using a USB drive. Everything installs normally, but now it's time to UPDATE.
It will, literally, take you WEEKS to fully update your FULLY SUPPORTED OS. You hit check for updates, it takes 5 hours to "find" them. Then you choose to install them all, and it takes 12 hours to download them and install them. Then you restart the comptuer, and it takes ANOTHER 7 hours to do "step 2 of 3". These updates are MEGABYTES in size. What the FRICK is it doing?
But that's not the only batch of updates. You need to do this multiple times, and then, eventually, you restart and you get the message "Failure configuring Windows updates. Reverting changes." which takes ANOTHER 15 FRICKING hours on top of the initial 19 from finding them and installing them. Why did this happen?
One of those updates didn't work, so now they ALL have to go. Now you have to install in manually selected batches, and HOPE you don't hit a bad one. The only way to update a FULLY SUPPORTED WINDOWS OS is to use a program some randon guy made to get around this madness and retain your sanity.
Frick Windows.
I can't imagine being so moronic that you fail to install windows.
linux does what windon't
yeah, installing steam doesn't delete your entire desktop
Midwits still seething they got filtered by superior Linux intellect.
>Warning: You are about to do something potentially harmful. (deleting your entire fricking DE)
>To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
combination of profound moronation in conjunction with using poopOS, in other words; skill issue
>the guy who fakes benchmark tests got filtered
yeah it fits
>You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
>Yes, do as I say!
>dead
Tech channel btw.
>hey would you like to uninstall these packages
>this is a very bad idea btw
>yes
>I dont think you know what youre doing, if youre sure you want this type "Yes do as I say!"[case sensitive]
>Linus RaceMix Tips can't use a computer
Imagine. My. Shock.
whitest windows family
linux/unix is just cuter
there's a qt version of pavucontrol btw, I imagine that'd be easier to theme to mesh with the rest of your aesthetics
>5:4
sovl
I wish I could buy a 16:10, 2560x1600@144Hz monitor in 2023, the extra vertical space is nice.
I opted into nothing, my wife had homework due and rather than be able to get to work on anything we were forced for 45 minutes to sit while the system updated me to win11, this was lomg before most normal systems even had win11 available. I dont like that so I moved to PopOS, then Arch and I have no intention of ever changing that.
Support for games could halt right here and ill be fine for the rest of my life
it, by itself, for seemingly no reason, randomly and with patterns that people can't figure out, does weird shit like breaking its temporary file directories causing software to go haywire
external software did not do this
there isn't a log for why there did this
you can look it up online and there isn't an explanation
it is seemingly impossible to replicate
but things like that example, and different just things as catastrophic, happen with a frequency of least once per year
Remember when windows gays said that linux was nothing and not worth giving it attention since it wasn't a real OS? Funny now they foam at the mouth whenever they see a linux gaming thread and repeat old fudd. Enjoy your forced updates and the ever increasing bloat.
because globohomosexual has to fricking die
Newer versions of windows kill off compatability with older software. Lowering people's standards, selling low quality inferrior plagarised shit.
It's not one os that gets upgrades. It requires new versions for worhless Black person shit like direct x.
So where are you, op