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Alice was cuter and so was that fat vampire girl.
Anastasia is the cutest.
For me it's Lucia
I need to fap to her right now.
>Pulls the double XP tarot card on boss
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god Covenant is so gay, sh1 and koudelka are still king. i hate that they had such an amazing concept for shadow hearts 3 but wasted it on the same quirky anime bullshit tone they started doing with covenant
holy mother of contrarian
koudelka is a piece of literal shit to play so dont listen to majuar
It's not that hard to play you moron. Far from unfun. Is it perfect, no, but it's still playable. It's not some shit like Vandal Hearts 2 that actively fricking fights any attempt to be fun st all in the first place.
needs fast forward in battle. I like slow turn based games and this was still way too fricking slow
Koudelka is fine, you moronic zoomer homosexual
>i-its fine,
i bet you played these tedious slow battles on fast forwarding via emulator you rose tinted Black folk
No, I played it on PS1 with the original disc when it came out, because I'm not a fricking zoomer shit moron.
then you simply didn't knew better at this point in time
>i played it before everyone hopped on it! im hardcore, not a casual like you!
so youre a hipster. "we" hated you c**ts in 2008 for saying this shit and youve only gotten even worse about it because youve started legitimizing your c**t flailing simply by nature of being older.
No, I'm a gamer who has been playing games since the 80's. Sorry you weren't fortunate enough to live through the golden age of gaming (NES to PS2) era a d are forced to live only through the Shit Age (Xbox onward) where everything was ruined by MS and their forcing of the cancerous shit like DLC, pay to play online, and similar trash that have fricked up gaming forever.
Absolutely pathetic.
Stay mad, zoomzoom. Enjoy your Shitfield, I'm sure it will be just as trash and devoid of fun as Skyrim. But don't worry, I'm sure molders will swoop in to turn it into hentai frick palace eventually.
>80s
stopped reading there, youre a fat c**t and now youre pretending to be a boomer and whining like a b***h. dont much like current videogames either but youre repulsive to even read. main goal of anyone currently playing videogames should be not to turn into a simpering old frick like you and at least manage to find one game every once in a while to be enjoy at worst and be autistically enamoured with at best. the frickin state of you.
>BACK IN MY DAY GAMES CAME ON DISCS AND WED LAUGH IF SOMEONE ASKED US TO PAY $5 TO DOWNLOAD MORE GAME
Stay mad.
They're right. Games were better back then, and gaming has turned to shit. That doesn't mean good games aren't still made, but you are an ignorant zoomer frick if you think the industry is in any way healthy or good at the moment, and it is riddled with cancerous practices.
>dont much like current videogames either
nothing more to say really. I agree alot of things were better. not important enough for me to get on a soapbox and start being a neurotic c**t because thats specifically what we were admonishing when it first started- older people telling us shit used to be better and the things we liked were shit compared to how it used to be.
dont really need to be told "ITS TRUE, YOU ZOOMER, YOURE A ZOOMER, EVERYTHING IS SHIT, IF YOU DISAGREE YOURE A ZOOMER". its pathetic and is the male equivalent of the single mother talking about how pretty she used to be. the point of contention here is calling anyone who pulls you up on your b***hmade whining a zoomer- especially when that c**t youre calling a zoomer is infact 30. I preferred playing Platformers to any RPGs when i was 5 and now i think the SNES RPGs were the better games in multiple areas and was drawn more to them as i got older- im not a zoomer just because im not screeching about FF1 being the best game ever made or whatever the frick
Nice blog, zoomer.
M8 the original xbox and early 360 years were the great days of Microsoft in the console market and willing to fund exclusives for their platform. It was 2009 and onwards that xbox brand became soulless dudebro normie ecosystem. Modern micro$oft and Phil Spencer is an absolute cancer.
Nah, original Xbox was the origin of all of the modern cancer. It introduced pay to play, it made DLC a standard. MS bought out tons of studios and turned them to shit. It killed several series by buying exclusivity for their shitbox, which then went on to fail. It directly contributed to the current state of gaming being a fricking mess. And then Sony copied everything they did, but worse, further making the industry more dog shit.
100% Correct.
played it with fast forward on a emulator and it was really good
Don't listen to this guy, If you have the time play the game, it's a ok game, the battle system is slow but fine. I've played on my PSP while getting from uni to my apartment back in 2018. Shit was the comfiest.
Both SH1 and Covenant are great. Koudelka is just ok, but the atmosphere and the voice acting are top notch.
SH1 was already an emo edgelords anime OVA version of Koudelka SH2 was just self aware about it
>ANIME BAD
looked better in the military outfit
I can understand being a koudelka contrarian but how can anyone like shadow hearts 1 over 2 when its literally the same game but better in every way. yuri spends the entire game alternating between making stupid quips at the expense of everything happening and being extremely melodramtaic about everything exactly like shadow hearts 2, only that game has actual production values so the scenes can actually land
> only that game has actual production values so the scenes can actually land
That is exactly the opposite of the truth. The game now has a lot of voice acting, but they are all bad. The game now has proper cutscenes, but they are terribly directed.
Retro presentation >>> Badly executed modern presentation
I can understand preferring the tone of Koudelka and SH1 to Covenant, but New World isn't even remotely in the same ballpark of tone as Covenant. If Koudelka and SH1 are FF6, Covenant is FFX, and New World is FFX-2.
Wait Covenant is like FFX, I might play it now
It's more like X-2 than X.
FFX is very character-driven but has a slightly weaker setting. Spira is interesting, but small, and their society kinda doesn't make sense when you think about it. But you're invested in the cast so you still want to see them win.
SH2 is a sequel that wasn't necessary that doesn't know what story it wants to tell. It's full of "funny" dialogue that isn't tonally consistent, most of 9ts characters are really weak, and certain major plot turns rely on you playing SH1 to fully get them.
There's also a lot of... "non-criminal jokes haha" throughout the game which implies someone in the company maybe needed a handler.
shut your prostitute mouth
I hated how fricking easy the bosses of the game was. The final boss was literally a joke and getting yuri ultimate transformation and the 5th+ keys made the final fight laughable easy. FTNW or SH3 improved the gameplay and difficulty but the story and characters were one dimensional and shitty. Going through the headache of getting the good ending in these games never paid off imo.
Is that a literal moogle?
It's a cat. Specifically, a Japanese money cat startu thing youkai.
>only played FTNW
this game alone has made me a fan of the franchise/dev and I'm eagerly awaiting their dual kickstarter
Jesus. In these games you fuse with a demon at the start of every battle. Do you have to watch all that shit every time?
there's a toggle in the settings to specifically skip her cutscene for fusion. I keep it on because it's something that will NEVER exist again in the games industry so I need to cherish it.
I would 100% Fry's his own grandfather her. Unless Alice was alive. Then I'd be sinning with her.
Yes
The military outfit she starts in was better. I don't hate fanservice, I just think that outfit looks like shit.
That twist was really wierd. So, she romantically loves yuri so much that he goes back in time to frick and get breed by his father??? even if the child was himself, it feel like some soft-ntr. if it wans't because he doesn't care at all about her
Try watching less porn
He does, but he's stuck on Alice. She was his true love.
Too bad we never got the planned SH1 prequel with his dad and Kurando's dad. But hey, at least we're getting Pennyblood.
Also, wtf happened to the people of the real world who weren't in the final battle? did they all just died? Because each one of the characters go to live some other inner reality or something, but the world actually gets destroyed. it's like each one of them goes to their own bubble just to cope from the reality that the world was destroyed
Everyone got transported to a different point in time. No alternate dimension shit. Timeline got rewrote as the series canonically goes SH1 Bad End, SH2 Good End, SH1 Good End.
>no alternate dimension
I'm replaying Covenant now and Yuri talks about how he's half-Russian and has a Russian mother, but Karin is German. Doesn't she create a new reality with her wish for that to make sense? I forgot the details of how the wishes at the end were implemented
Amnesia
It's full paradox if you think about it. Because if after the bad ending of SH1 and the ending of SH2 comes the good ending of SH1 then yuri never borns because they never met karim and the events of SH2 never happen
I remember back when I first played Covenant I was blown away by how it all happened and I found dozens of fun threads talking about the time paradox on IMDB of all places. Really sad that they got rid of them
You forgot the plot point where they forged documents in Russia. She still had those on her.
She loves him romantically, but she overheard the failed resurrection from the other side of the door when Alice and Yuri exchanged vows of love to each other. She knew she had no chance by that point, so she decided to "be with him always" for her wish but then got amnesia thanks to the time travel and fricked his dad instead to spawn him, so she technically got her wish to "be with him" just not exactly in the way she wanted.
It really doesn't get any more intimate than that.
What was his problem?
Kleptomaniacal tendencies to go along with his quirky wrestler identity to heavily contrast with his boring also-vampire brother from the first game.
>an actual literal plain as day UK postbox
not a fan japan doing "anachronistic" weird, out of place stuff from reality because their "other" is actually just normal shit to other people.
i never want to see another JP protag in a leather jacket and jeans ever again. everytime i see something like a Melty Blood character it upsets me like i have aspergers or something due to how frickin boring they look
Theyre in England.
doesnt frickin look like it and they couldve at least made it fit the environmental scheme instead of having a fat red postbox jammed in the dirt. but at this point im picking hairs over a relatively benign thing. it just looks like some japanese modeler looked up a reference picture and said "ah so thats what mailboxes look like in england"
if everyone was dressed normally id take it, but its the fact its clearly a japanese game and then theres just a normal IRL piece of iconography jammed in there. Folklore had the right of it because they were all actually dressed like bumfrick nowhere irish people and the fences and houses were all typical countryside themed
waaah waaah
Lol this Black person is actually critiquing a game he's never played. Only on Ganker
>doesnt frickin look like it
Well, in that pic they're in Wales, near a town called Aberystwyth, based on the abbey of Strata Florida in the early 1940s.
It's also the laboratory of the immortal Roger Bacon.
The reason that it doesn't look much like Wales is because the entire area exploded after the events of Shadow Hearts 1.
Here's what it looked like in 1898 during the events of Koudelka.
they're literally in wales in that screenshot.
t. never played the game
This series needs more love.
I hope someone remakes it properly one day.
Can I dress like him in real life without looking cringe?
Only if you are already handsome and fit
It will unironically never happen. The rights are fricked for it, and the company that made it is dead. The devs for it are working on a spiritual successor called Pennyblood, and a Wild ARMS spiritual successor too.
I know that Shadow Hearts team is behind Lost Odyssey and that the creator is always happy to talk about shadow hearts in interviews unfortunately there is little chance that it will happen
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/wild-arms-and-shadow-hearts-creators-kickstarter-adds-final-fantasy-saga-composers/
"Specifically, Uematsu will “assist with research and insight into authentic Irish music” for the game’s American locations"
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lol if anything, shadow heart would lose ESG for kink shaming and making fun of gays.
Isn't one of the characters based off of a real life troon? The thicc Kawashima b***h. It's japanese though so it's not like it was proto woke. Their culture is just weird.
Yeah, Machida said that Penny Blood won't have any wacky gay characters like that because they don't fit with the values of the modern era.
dark times we live in.
Actually she is gay for black women as per Larian canon trailer, so she boosts ESG.
For me it's Shania.
I never understood the moral issue of the portrayal of native Americans in media.
It is morally correct to breed this woman until she has repopulated her entire race.
It's when people make fun of you for being an inbred redneck incel. It may be true but it's still hurtful and I'm sorry you have to endure that.
Still one of the sickest boss battle themes ever composed
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She dresses like a bawd and is inferior to Alice, so no.
No wonder Yuri NOWAYgay'd her through the whole game while lusting after ghost Alice pussy
I know nothing about this series beside the enemies but they're amazing, how do these hold up as actual jrpgs? Saw a few minutes of SH1 and that early sixth gen janky look of it is kinda charming but it seemed pretty basic and rough.
It's an awesome series, go play it.
The gameplay is average and on par of most JRPGs, they're mostly good for the rather unique setting and atmosphere together with enemy design.
Music is great too.
The first one looks rough because it was originally supposed to be a PS1 game but development got delayed and they ended up just releasing it on the 2 instead. If you can get past the exterior they're great games. The encounter rate isnt too high, great plot and soundtrack and wonderful characters.
They're both fun, but Covenant is better gameplay. That said, play both. You miss out on so much without playing SH1 first.
Go play them. Don't read much further, you're in heavy spoilers territory now.
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It's time to settle this once and for all, is Ganker a Moe, JDOG, or Sqwalk board?
Both filenames have "sh2" so I fricked up.
I enjoy my fair share of moe so I'm voting for that.
>the PS2 save files drawn in that style
Soul
I'm nore of a Mr. Sommelier kind of guy.
I still can't believe you go around trading half naked beefcake cards to some flamboyant gay man in exchange for dresses for you e-girl doll modelled after your dead daughter
It's an everybody wins kind of situation.
Reminder that in the Japanese re-release that we didn't get there's a birthday suit outfit for her
Really activates the almonds
Isn't she like 6?
>even she wears purple panties like Alice
the detail
Like I say, it's kind of a rapey game. I exiled the pedo and the doll from the party ASAP and didn't learn about the bondage suit or other options. I didn't much care for the character anyway.
Actually I didn't care for any of the cast except Yuri and Joachim. Karin was mandatory, but aimless - she had no motive. Anastasia makes no fricking sense. I completely forgot about the doofy bimbo girl.
But Joachim was like a friendly dog. The man had no idea what was going on. He'd find a fire hydrant, yank it out of the ground, and it'd be his weapon now. I loved walking into a new scene and just getting a new weapon in my inventory because this insane, huge, man realized that object in particular is heavier than the one he has already.
But honestly even Yuri is off his game and hard to like in Covenant.
>Anastasia enjoys the finale of the Man Festival with what happens to Joachim
She's literally me!
Best party member, basically in charge whenever Yuri isn't around.
She even has textured nipples in that bottom one, not sure how they got that past CERO
One of my favorite things about Covenant is how Kato was a rival, not an evil villain, and how even in defeat he was still kind of Yuri's friend. JRPGs need to do more of that sort of thing for the final boss and less generic God-killing.
Kato and Yuri being mirrors of each other in tragedy but choosing different paths and dealing witn it differently was very well done. As well, neither truly hating each other was a good thing. An antagonist without being an butthole is nice to have for once.
What's wrong with God killing? I feel that the way Japan does it is pulled off rather well since it's generally based off of Gnosticism & Occultism where you're killing fake gods or demi-gods who think they're god. Even stuff like Xenogears, the main enemy is a fake god.
Grandia 2 is the only game I can think of where it went full blown Atheist angst. In Dragon Quest games, you're friends with God considering that he saves your game files.
Also, he's a literal gigachad
It's amazing how he went from this
to THIS
I'm convinced they didn't plan this character arc until later. I don't recall him having very many lines let alone a character portrait in the first game.
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There's very important scene in the first game, but it's missable.
>Yuri gets what he wants, even if he has to literally redo reality itself
>Kato still ends up with Kawashima dead either way
Kato...Had a hard life...
I thought kato went through the time portal too
we killed him
He died at the end of SH2. You fought and killed him.
I don't think, based on this scene, that anyone involved in SH1 intended Kato to later climb the ranks of the Japanese military, ascend to godhood, and obliterate the universe. Correct me if I'm wrong but Kato doesn't exactly yell "I will clone you, Colonel! I will become Japan's occult shadow Emperor! I will make them play as you for an entire, irrelevant segment of the game! You will level up but it won't matter!"
I got the impression he'd more like... retire. And grieve. Or be likewise assassinated for being a loose end. You know, believable human shit.
I suppose the model in SH1 is due to technical limitations, because in his portrait he already had the aspect he has in covenant (but younger)
SH1 was planned as a PS1 game and had it's gears switched during development. It's why the game is a bit janky at times.
Yeah, he's probably one of the best JRPG antagonists of all time.
Isn't she playable in the Director's Cut version?
Shadow Hearts Covenant is the best JRPG of all time and I'm tired of pretending it's not
>when the entire combat system is a character with his own story
that took me by surprise.
>later?
Earlier.
You'd better believe it.
still sad you cant get her army uniform. im a sucker for girls with uniforms.
Joachim has got to be one of the weirdest/most entertaining party members ever. He alternates between his regular self, a bat form, an invisible form and a superhero form like he's on a lunar cycle. The first time he suddenly showed up as a bat I was thrown in for a loop
All of the Valentines are strong as frick every ga,e. Only downside is 2 and 3, you have to game the system a bit to not get stuck in a meh form for an important fight.
Also that Majuuler idiot said Lucia was bad. She is the most broken character in the fricking game if you use her right.
Don't really have to game anything when there are plenty of consumables and accessories to frick with it.
But it's not like any of the bosses are hard in the first place.
I liked Koudelka and Shadow Hearts but Shadow Hearts: Covenant I just don't care for. Time shenanigans make my eyes roll, party members are even less important as characters than in Shadow Hearts, and I don't like how it completely throws out the period piece aspects for random Japanese supersoldier programs and Roger Bacon's rocket.
It's not bad, just really not to my tastes.
Not interested in Koudelka but I've always wanted to play SH1. Unfortunately I've never gotten it to emulate properly, something about that game and pcsx2 doesn't mix.
One way I think of it is SH1 is like Tekken 4 and SH2 is like Tekken 5 in terms of tonal whiplash.
In SH1 all the characters have motives, they're fighting for reasons, and you're invested in the story. Then the next game comes out and the characters are going to space. Gregory Rasputin bombs Petrograd with a flying ziggurat, Anastasia is a playable character, there's time travel - nothing makes any fricking sense. It also retroactively hurts SH1 because if you think about it, Kato is destined to go insane and make a clone of Kawashima regardless of what happens to Alice, and he will end the world. There's no way out, Kato will always become all powerful and destroy the world. Roger Bacon winds up being the only correct winning move and that's only if you assume his sadistic ass actually can make a perfect world if he kills Yuri.
SH2 is a "just turn your brain off bro" game, but SH1 has a legit interesting story.
Did you just like, not pay any attention to SH1? It had the same damn tone to it.
Also
>There's no way out, Kato will always become all powerful and destroy the world
Dev confirmed Yuri was sent back with all memories. If he has all of his memories, he could easily warn Kato of his waifu's impending assassination.
In SH1 you don't team up with Amelia Erhardt to kill Mussolini. It has jokes, sure, but it keeps its feet enough on the ground that the plight of a small village in the middle of nowhere feels like a big deal.
In SH2 there's a clone of Kawashima in fricking power rangers gear and Japan is building cyborg battle tanks to overcome the giant pink kitty that guards someone's house. The tone is nothing alike.
And FRICK any explanation for the plot that relies on time loops. That shit's so over the shark, the only way Yuri gets a good ending is if SH2 doesn't exist.
Instead you team up with Mata Hari and blow up demon infested Shanghai.
Alegedly you team up with Mata Hari, but Mata Hari herself is also a bit of a legend, and Margaret never comes out and yells "It's me! MATA HARI!" You'd only catch it if you looked into it or knew about Mata Hari already.
There's also a HUGE difference between having a sort of folklore spy in the party versus having the Anastasia of the Czar's royal family, while fighting the Gregori Rasputin, who bombs the Petrograd, capitol city of Russia in the game.
Bombing Petrograd would be first page news. Shanghai gets rocked in SH1 by Seraphic Radiance but it immediately fricks off and people attribute it to an earthquake. In SH2 they park a fricking Mayan ruin above a major city and drop conventional bombs from it - it's unreal but in a stupid way, not an occult way.
>Mata Hari herself is also a bit of a legend
holy moron
Yeah, believe it or not a lot of myths and stories got attributed to Mata Hari, famous bawd-spy.
>In SH1 you don't team up with Amelia Erhardt to kill Mussolini. It has jokes, sure, but it keeps its feet enough on the ground that the plight of a small village in the middle of nowhere feels like a big deal.
instead you team up with roger bacon, real life monk who is now a 700 year old funnyman with wacky gadgets that breaks the fourth wall so he can teleport you to god and punch him in the face
Again, it's also not a big deal if Roger Bacon is 700 years old and has been living as a recluse. If you met Gregori Rapsutin 300 years after his supposed death in Russia, then okay. That's occult. But instead he turns into a demon and you fight him above Russia's capitol at the height of his national fame. One of these things is not like the other.
Y e s. Karin was so much better than Alice it's actually ridiculous. They should remake Shadow Hearts Covenant and make her an actual love interest and get rid of the moronic "time travel mother" twist.
that's the best part you moron
I was kinda disappointed with her as a character tbh. In the cover of the game she has a design that expresses a strong personality and confidence on herself. Then in the intro she's even some kind of commander in the military, rank you wouldn't get without having some leadership qualities. But then when she meets Yuri she becomes so submissive to him. To the point I think even Alice had a stronger personality than her, even with her aspect of delicate flower.
I love her visual design, but I feel her personality doesn't do it justice. She could've been so much more.
>Make a great main heroine love interest
>Get the players invested through interactions and the growing bond between her and Yuri
>After all that... KEK HER OUT OF HER CHANCE OF BEING WITH THE MAN SHE LOVES BECAUSE FRICK (YOU)
>Afterall your decision to make the game take place after the bad ending of the first one where Alice dies would require consequential writing and that shit is fricking SCARY
>To make things even BETTER, introduce absolutely moronic twist at the end with her time traveling and becoming the mother of the guy she loved which definitely doesn't make the story feel like your own incest fetish fuel
It was fricking trash and the worst thing about this entire game. It made me want to throw the controller out of the window and punch a hole in my TV. Alice should have stayed dead and Yuri should have learned to move on and find new love in Karin.
>Karin Koenig was a young woman who may very well have become a mother to me
-Yuri, probably.
The game beats you over the head with how Yuri only has eyes for Alice even in death, no matter what. It would've been shitty out of character writing for Yuri to abandon his love for Alice by settling for Karin.
Learn to read moron. The point is that the story would have been way better if it was about him learning to move on and finding new happiness with Karin
I did read and concluded your fanfic is moronic and would have been out of character for the Yuri we knew in SH1. Deal with it.
So you are a moron who loves shitty time travel writing, magically bringing dead characters back to life, treating other characters like garbage, and lack of character development related to tragic events and moving on. Got it.
Covenant is better than your shitty fanfic and it's a good thing you don't make video games because the medium would be worse off with your contributions. Die mad about it.
(You) write like a triggered 12 year old fanboy. I thought that Jannies were supposed to keep this place clean. Either way, it's really funny how you call the idea of Yuri having an actual character arc related to moving on and ending up with a girl with whom he has a ton of sexual tension "fanfic", while at the same insisting that Yuri not having any character arc related to the tragic ending of the previous game, ending up with a girl who got magically revived back to life, and having time traveling mother who used to be a WW soldier who also wanted to have sex with him is not "fanfic" tier. I like Covenant a lot but pretending that the story is some kind of perfect masterpiece without massive flaws or pretending that it didn't go full moron in a lot of places is straight up dumb.
You write like you're not used to people telling you your shit stinks. Not my problem, I infinitely prefer the game we got to your fanfic character assassination. I much prefer Yuri sticking to his ideals than giving up because a hot piece of ass gave him some attention. The Yuri from the first game wouldn't have given up on Alice either. Karin works better as a character that shows Yuri's commitment to Alice, he's not (you)r self-insert just because (you) would frick Karin.
Thanks for confirming being a triggered 12 year old with your progressively more aggressive posts. I see that you are not used to people calling you out on it. If (You) like the characters getting treated like garbage for the sake of making the old one look worse, the MC having no character growth, and the writing being inconsequential to the events of the previous game then that's your problem. Just because you like eating shit it doesn't mean that others also have to. I guess Max Pane 2, Prince Of Persia Warrior Within, Final Fantasy VII and millions of other games have fanfic writing because the story dared to have an actual sense of tragedy and reality with the MC moving on. Your "self insert" argument also doesn't make any sense considering how many times I said that I like the chemistry between the two. (You) sound a lot more like Alice obsessed simp who self inserts himself as Yuri.
Project some more, tumblrite. Your fanfic sucks and always will, same with all your ideas. No one cares about your cringe self-insert desires over the actual game.
Get more angry and show everyone here for the 5th time how triggered and underaged you are. Go hug your Alice dakimakura to calm down later. Don't forget to clean it.
Says the raging sperg whose fanfic failed to impress.
Says a seething underaged sperg who calls character development fanfic, obsesses over one female character while calling others "self insert", and tags himself as "everyone" in the thread
No matter how much you froth over it, I'm still right. When the player gets the bad ending in SH1, they should want to go back and get the good ending. And that's what they built on. Yuri changing his ideals because someone attractive came onto him isn't character development, just character assassination.
>they should want to go back and get the good ending
Jesus frick. Stop wasting my time. Everyone can literally get whatever ending they want. You describing Yuri and Karin's entire bond and relationship buildup throughout the game simply as: "Guy met a hot piece of ass" is absolutely moronic. Accepting the death of someone important, learning to move on, and finding happiness by developing a genuine deep bond with a new person and learning to love them is not some kind of revolutionary and newly discovered writing. It's been done for decades and it's not any kind of moronic "character assassination" because it's built up on realistically tragic events that affect the character within a world because people change thanks to them. How hard is it to understand? If (You) like the tragedy of the story being undone by magically reviving Alice back to life and also like Karin becoming a mother of a guy she wanted to frick for hours on end then good for (You). I don't give a shit. I just think that it's moronic and really bad writing and think that the story would have been way better if the writers stick to their guns with Covenant being a sequel to the bad ending of the first one with all consequences actually affecting the story and Yuri's character by making him grow by learning to move on along with Karin being a new character that effects him instead of just being his le time traveling milf mother.
It's not a matter of "getting whatever ending (they) want". If you're not using a guide, you're almost certainly getting the bad ending on your first playthrough of SH1, and any reasonable player would wonder if there was a better outcome after. Yuri lives in a version of our world where finding a way to reunite with Alice is actually conceivable, and giving up on that goal after getting the bad ending because of Karin is just stupid and, still, out of character. "Learning to move on" in a setting with impossible feats of magic is a stupid direction to take that kind of story. This is why the writers portrayed Yuri and Karin the way they did, to show that Yuri doesn't give up on Alice.
>and giving up on that goal after getting the bad ending because of Karin is just stupid and, still, out of character.
I will say it for the final time because your reading comprehension is that bad. Everyone has been talking about how the story would be better if the tragic bad ending that Covenant follows up was actually consequential and Alice was dead for good with Yuri NOT having any option to revive her and his character arc being centered around being forced to slowly accept it and move on. If you want to give Yuri a happy ending with Alice then just make a sequel to a good ending next time instead of continuing on from the tragic one where he meets a new love interest heroine after the previous one died only to completely undo all of that tragedy along the way and throwing the new character under a moronic time travel bullshit wheel that makes a lot of the story feel like someone's autistic NTR incest fetish fuel clusterfrick. If you are continuing the story from the bad ending then fricking commit to it instead of trying to eat the cake and have it too.
hey homosexual, the game has 2 endings. if you don't like the time travel one you can go with the other ending instead
it doesn't change the fact that the story completely shits the bed
And since YOU are bad at reading, I will tell you again that Yuri giving up and not having that option would be contrived and stupid considering the setting of the games. There's basically infinite possibilities to seek out, unlike our world and giving it up for the New Waifu would be terrible writing.
>If you're not using a guide, you're almost certainly getting the bad ending on your first playthrough of SH1
Wasn't it just letting the malice go to max and then fighting the masks?
Yeah, and checking the grave stone before Alice dies. My sister saved Alice on her first playthrough without setting out to specifically.
Separate anon getting in on this conversation but, one thing I want to note is that you can have a story that follows the bad end and keeps Alice dead while also showing Yuri being incapable of moving on.
Karin loves him clearly and deeply, but he's unable to reciprocate even with Alice being dead and he's stuck in an endless trial to try and resurrect her or get back to her via time travel or whatever. There are ways to show both elements of the story and have Alice's death be meaningful while showing that Yuri is now broken without her there.
Not everyone is capable of moving on from the death of a loved one.
the virgin moving on vs the chad going back in time to save your waifu
the virgin going through an actual arc releted to previous events vs the chad never moving on and the story taking place after the bad ending of the first one having no consequences whatsoever
I could agree if we were talking about Clannad and how its different pieces of media explored the same concepts, but in the case of Shadow Hearts the first game already had the two different endings which is why Covenant's story tying it back worked. It's not an ass pull when the conditions for the good ending are Yuri being strong enough to face his past in the first game and overcome it and failing to do that is what results in the bad ending.
nah yuri x alice dark punchman and light spellcaster girl combo is simply too asthetic and alice is an actual character who when yuri shits the bed can handle herself with my homie zuzhen until yuri stops being moronic. karin meanwhile is just on yuris dick the entire game and does nothing but be his rebound without any actual personality of her own
are you black
Shaniah was so hot it wasn't even fair.
In a game centered around getting her naked as often as possible.
Too bad the game wasn't anywhere near as good as the first two.
>draw a gyaru, call it an American
>They should remake Shadow Hearts Covenant and make her an actual love interest
yes but only because the hero not moving on sounds lame
>hero not moving on sounds lame
>Alice should have stayed dead and Yuri should have learned to move on and find new love in Karin
So much this
She is his mother
Read the thread and previous posts before responding to someone
No. Yuri gets his one-itis from Karin. If she weren't his mom and he didn't get one-itis so bad for Alice then he wouldn't have been the guy that Karin fell in love with so hard that she settled for a guy that just resembled him after rewriting reality.
>when you want a man inside so badly you time travel to the past just to get knocked up by his dad so you can give birth to him
Do you think Karin squirted a little every time Yuri called her mommy?
But then what happens to the Karin from the world/time were Yuri goes (to save Alice). If he saves Alice and the events of SH2 don't happen, wouldn't he just stop existing? Or at least stopping other Yuris from being born.
It doesn't matter how you see it to me. I think they really frick up with the time travel and Karin being his mom shit. They should just have Alice comming back in some other way, or Yuri just accepting her death and moving on with Karin.
if you want the hero to move on with his life and realistically change and grow as a person then it means that (You) self inserter anon. stop wishing for moronic things like better writing or a realistic character arc logical and consequential to the events of the story. stop being silly anon
sex
now thats what i call getting bleached
i would even harder
>tfw nobody is working on a translation for the directors cut edition
Pain
>2019
Damn.
>dodged
I had to spam that shit during the arena sidequest
Well how is she gonna become my mom if I don't have sex with her.
don't know who that is, but nice image
saved
Pencil skirts were so goddamn rampant back then. Ashe from ff12, Heather from sh3, Lady from dmc3, and Karin. As a horny kid I was jacking off to CD box covers because they keep putting these bawds on them.
>Summon spirit goes right for the womb for his home
Damn, you made it even better.
ouch
This sequence is so fricking kino, a shame that part where Yuri scare the shit out of the thing crawling on the tube with a single malice stare.
Too bad they cut the whole "Joachim is safe" bit from Lucia's fortune telling event while Anastasia is as oblivious as ever
The opening cinematic for Covenant is so good, one of my absolute favorites
That was a rad opening. Watching Amon was a really hype way to start off especially after going through SH1. I also like how Yuri saves Karin only to unceremoniously drop her.
wow, I don't think I've ever noticed that in 4 times I've 100% Covenant
cause the old man gets removed from my party as soon as possible
WHAT THE FRICK DID YOU DO, NICOLE
wtf game is THAT?
Im not redhead nor cute so ill bang her
THE MAAAN FESTIVAAAAL
Loved SH1. SH2 has better gameplay and graphics but all the cool atmosphere was gone and the plot/characters/OST was much worse.
Here's a bump on me and she's still hot either way. However, I was team Alice all the way.
I liked the evil woman who was fricking rasputin or something. I think she was supposed to be playable but ended up as cut content. also I miss when games had unlockable outfits.
SEX WITH BEST GIRL KARIN!
Bawwwww did little babby want to make a thready weady after his fav israelitetuber made a viddy widdy about shadow heart
i used save states whenever i used the 8 key and infinite key items lol
Is the 2nd game Covenant any good? The first one was pretty good when I played back in the day and I still remember the soundtrack to this day
Covenant is considered to be the best of the series
It takes everything good in the first game, and makes it better. It's a proper sequel in every sense of the word, improving upon everything the first did right and wrong. It's only real flaw is it's not really a hard game, but most RPG's aren't.
The only thing that losses (and it made the first game pretty unique) it's the dark survival horror-like atmosphere. You can see in the first game there's constantly bad things happening and there's some kind of dark and depressing, hopeless feeling in the world. The second game trows that almost entirely for a more lighthearted story in a world that feels pretty comfy and characters full of "funny" moments. Besides that, it's better in almost everything else. From graphical presentation to gameplay
>that bestiary
Absolute kino, wish I had more saved.
Alice was best girl, that is all.
Even more so yes.
Shadow Hearts thread in 2023?
Yes.
PS2 save icons were fricking great all around, really. Even PS1 icons sometimes had cool little animations or graphics.
Crazy ain't it?
Not so crazy. The Pennyblood KS revived SH topics for a while. And SH itself seems to be getting more love recently with youtubers.
Have some Pennyblood
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I'm still crossing my fingers for Penny Blood
Me too. 2025 can't come soon enough. I miss SH and Wild ARMS like you wouldn't fricking believe, so their successors are something I crave.
I think the companies behind both Wild Arms and Shadow Hearts got bought or reorganized internally and switched tack completely afterward.
Wild Arms 3 was really good, but then the company changed up and they reoriented towards a younger audience. Wild Arms 4 was just not the same. Shadow Hearts 1 was really cool, but likewise there were some corporate shake ups and the tone just totally changed. Whoever made Koudelka and Shadow Hearts 1 into such cool games was either no longer working there or lost their influence.
Wild ARMS 3 was my favorite. 4's battle system was a fricking mess on the scale of FF8's, basically being unplayable if you weren't moronic, because the entire system was broken over your knee unless you specifically played like a mouthbreather. 5 fixed the combat quite a bit, and had a ton of callbacks to other games, but the story was meh at best.
As for the people that made SH, the studio was basically on it's deathbed come SH3. SH1 and 2 did well enough, but 3 wasn't given much of a budget despite this, and they closed sometime after IIRC.
Wild ARM's I don't even know what happened to their dev's or studio, anyone know?
>Wild ARM's I don't even know what happened to their dev's or studio, anyone know?
I know they made the chaos rings game but I don't know beyond that
IN THE NAME OF BEAUTY,
THIS BUTT!
Is the gachimuchi tower the best character sidequest in a JRPG?
BEST girl
I fapped to her as a teen back in the day
Only thing wrong with Karin is that she doesn't get her military uniform back as a third optional costume.
>karin pits
ludokino
moving on is a woman thing. females are genetically programmed to hop onto the next dick when the last one died. the ending is interesting because you fail to save the world, but using the time warp is like kato's gift to yuri as one man who refused to give up on his dead gf to another. this gay arguing is probably some troon who can't understand manly emotion because of the hrt.
Shadowheart(s)?
Kill all Alicegays
God, such divine pits
I'd frick her even if she was my mom.
Best girl from the series, especially in the German Imperial Army uniform.
Are there any other JRPGs like Shadow Hearts that take you all over the world? Or anything really with a similar tone/atmosphere?
it doesn't have the 2pooky horror stuff or the more modern timeline but dragon quest 11 is all about traveling to different parts of the real world with fake names and resolving whatever local bullshit problem there is while constantly doing a 180 between comedic gag land and really serious drama
There isn't really anything like it, that's why it's so fondly remembered.
But for JRPGs that involve a great sense of travel, look at Grandia 1 and 2.
>Shadow Hearts thread this successful
Ganker is healing...
more like, it's been getting bumped by the same 3 gays lmao
Where's the issue? There are too many people in the world.
Can someone summarise the first game for me? Never got around playing it because PCSX2 had some visual bugs years ago. The only things that I remember are a guy in a top hat and God being an ayy lmao.
The important bit is that SH2 is the sequel to SH1's bad ending where Yuri is successful in beating the guy in the top hat, but loses the love of his life in the process.
Yuri, a sketchy punk who can fuse with demons, is compelled by a painful voice in his head to rescue Alice, an exorcist. She's being pursued by a Chinese Taoist wizard, Duhai.
The two make a run across China, but are ultimately encouraged by Zhuzhen, another Taoist and Duhai's brother, to confront Duhai. While seeking out a third Tao master for aid, Duhai breaks into their temple, kills the third Tao master, and nabs the girl. It turns out Alice is special, and by violating her, Duhai can summon an angel which he plans to harness to blow up Japan, because he hates Japan.
You kill Duhai, but the ritual was completed and the angel arrives anyway, so Yuri fuses with it. He manages to gain enough control to run away and that's the last he's heard of for roughly two years. The game picks up again with Alice having gone back to her exorcism business in the year she's hired to exorcize a village being plagued by, among other things, Yuri, who has last his mind.
Alice heals him, but by trading her soul to Yuri's inner demons. Thus reunited, the group celebrates, but the celebrations are disrupted when a demon under control of another wizard attempts to seize Alice - though this time she fights it off on her own. The group begins investigating the second wizard, who had already killed Alice's father for looking into him at the start of the game. After a series of events, you're led to Koudelka, who was the voice compelling Yuri while he was in China.
Koudelka also has power in her like Alice, and she agrees to help the second wizard's summoning ritual if he doesn't murder her son. They summon a giant, flying temple hidden in the ocean, and it summons "God". Rather, it's explained to be something so powerful most humans would think it must be God. The wizard wants to manipulate God to make a better, more just world.
Ultimately, it's decided the wizard can't be trusted to unilaterally know what a better world really looks like, so he's defeated.
the game can end of one two ways: if you visit Alice's grave stone just before his inner demons take her soul, Yuri will force open the gates of his inner self and kick his own self's ass, together with Alice. If you don't check the grave stone, Alice dies. In the latter case, her heart begins to fail on the way to the final confrontation, and she will be dead in the game's ending scene. In the former, she lives and Yuri and Alice are together.
It's just a matter of consistently checking the grave stone. It doesn't require a guide or FAQ. You can also fuse with the Seraphic Radiance, but that's more convoluted and does require a guide.
SH2 kind of takes everything from SH1 and blows it up into brightly colored confetti. It's hard to explain in detail, but SH2 is like the original game, but smeared with clown make up. The wizard in the second half of the game, Albert Simon, is living in Yuri's soul now because they had one amicable conversation before Yuri punched the man to death. Just had to do the cameo - it's weird and tone deaf like that. Karin, the love interest of SH2, is Yuri's mother due to time travel shenanigans. The "good" ending for SH2 is that Yuri time travels back to SH1, because it's the better game, frankly.
>brightly colored confetti
That sounds like an interesting game you've dreamt up in your hate-fueled delusions.
I didn't really describe SH2 except as confetti, but it's a difference.
SH1 has you in a lot of rural locations, and the feelings and fates of individual people are the heart of the game. You're supposed to get invested in this one old woman they call Sea Mother. You're supposed to care about the tea shop owner, his daughter, and his shop. You're supposed to wonder what happened to Wugui after he disappears. You're even supposed to understand why Duhai is so mad at Japan.
But with SH2, it's more like "I'M BOFFO THE EVIL CLOWN! I PUT MISILETOE IN YOUR HEART HYUK! COME AND FIND ME IN RUSSIA IF YOU WANT TO LIVE!"
I cannot, years later, for the life of me remember why the German government dispatched Boffo to kill Yuri in the first place. I also re,ember you kill Boffo after he opens a door of evil but I don't remember why Boffo did that. I also don't remember why you go to Russia. I don't remember why Anastasia joins the party or why the Czar is openly cool with that even though Yuri transforms into a minion of Satan. I remember being taught parts of the Russian Cyrillic alphabet as part of a minigame.
It's not that I hate SH2. It's just that I think it served no purpose and didn't have a clear story it wanted to tell. It was all over the place and trying to hide a lack of reasoning behind funny noises and penis jokes. There was a lot more game, but it wasn't all good game, and it really, really dragged in various sections.
Actually come to think of it I can't even remember why Karin joins the party. She's a German officer (somehow) on a specific mission to kill Yuri, but then she totally abandons that, goes rogue, abandons her nationality, and never looks back, and I do not remember why.
It was an Asterix situation where the German army couldn't conquer this one village in France because it was being protected, but instead of two barbarians with a magic potion it looked like it was the literal devil. So they got the Catholic Church involved. Karin joins the party to hunt down Nicolie after he gets her men killed and because she was already on thin ice with the Army for being the daughter of an unpopular politician, who were probably going to use the clusterfrick in Domremy as an excuse to throw her in jail or execute her. I think they do actually end up killing her dad.
Anastasia gets to join the party to chase down her bastard brother Nicolie/rescue him from the Japanese army because they want to set him up as the puppet emperor of Russia. They can see the writing on the wall about where that country is headed, and having a legitimate heir to the Tsar on hand for afterward is a powerful card to play. This gets derailed because he is, at this point, possessed by a demon and doesn't matter in the end because Kato crushes his head like an overipe watermelon with his bare hand.
I recently played Koudelka and yeah, the battles are really slow and boring.
But graphics and voices were pretty good for PS1, and the story is interesting enough to keep you hooked.
Lost to the final boss and only saw the bad (and canon) ending, didn't bother trying beating her (that final form was way too hard).
souful series
You said it, pendejo.
I know there are more icons, depending on your progress. But I can't find an archive or something on the internet.
Never played shallow hearts reel me in
I love all of them, but Covenant is the best.
What do you even like about Covenant? Just that it's longer? That it had more fan service?
I like more the characters and how they interact with the rest of the party, all those side missions involving them, the humor, the serious moments, all those side quest and how ridiculous some are ( Joachim was the best one in that aspect ), I like how they foreshadowed Joachim's sister, I played this in the pandemic ( the 4 games ) and I can't believe that I never knew about this series, I thought all this years that Koudelka was a solo game, good thing I found I was wrong and now covenant is my favorite RPG.
I thought Joachim was the only good thing in Covenant because he was consistently silly and unlike a lot of the characters in Covenentant he never got very rapey.
>rapey
Oh, you should've said that at the start and saved us the trouble. Opinion discarded
Oh frick you. Covenant has a rape joke every other scene. There's a limit when it starts to get fricking creepy.
It's especially bad when they have Yuri acting so despondent and depressed only to perk up specifically to ask what kind of underwear Karin is wearing. Like you're trying to sell me on the idea Yuri can't give over Alice's death, but his desire to lick pussy is so ingrained her can get over it just long enough to make Alice roll her eyes from the grave. It makes Alice look bad just from association - like she settled for this?
And let's not even talk about Jippedo's pedo doll and dress up game.
Oh, and how Kato brings Kawashima back to life as a flesh doll with bigger breasts.
Rasputin's leuitenant is a whip-wielding porn actress in leather bondage.
It's an EXTREMELY rapey game.
God you sound like a pretentious gay. No wonder you like the gay "lol so randum" reddit vampire so much. These are jokes, get the frick over yourself. Black folk like you are the reason we don't get games like these anymore.
Okay, so it becomes clear what likely resonated with you so much about Covenant that wasn't in SH1 or Koudelka.
Because it sure wasn't the bland, one-note characters. It wasn't the long, meandering plot which eventually involved mechas and Kato blowing up the universe.
Read what I said again moron. I didn't say anything about which game was better than the other. I called you a Black person and a homosexual for posting like one.
You are flipping the frick out about people observing that one of the game's party members is an unabashed pedophile and that Covenant, in general, was just sort of like that and kept returning to stuff like that.
The pedophile doth protest too much, anon.
"Flipping the frick out" is calling you, a pretentious Black person, exactly what you are? And the character you're referring to is a doll. And more importantly it's a fictional doll in a video game. A video game that doesn't even have anything remotely close to sex scenes and is just making jokes. I think you're trying to hard to see pedophilia and rape where it doesn't exist, yet you have the nerve to call me projecting? Like I said you need to get the frick over yourself. Moral grandstanders like you are the scum of this earth.
I think it's worth noting that while I rarely hear ANYONE talk about Shadow Hearts, if someone says Covenenant was the best game in the series, there's like half a dozen red flags.
You are clearly a e-girlcon.
And if you think the writing in Covenant was better than Koudelka or SH1 you're a moron too.
There you go again putting words in my mouth and projecting. I'd like you to point out where I said that Covenant was the best game in the series or that I liked it more than the first two. You may have a difficult time seeing as I never did that. You are trying to make this argument about something completely different because you've realized you're wrong. And yet again you're projecting way too hard here Black person. You're saying that I am a e-girlcon for for saying that jokes made about a wooden doll in a fictional video game aren't pedophilia or rape. Again you seem absolutely desperate to see pedos and rapists where they don't exist. Remind me who's projecting again?
I'm accusing you of being a e-girlcon for liking the six year old in bondage gear that they put in the video game you're defending for doing that. You know, "as a joke".
Yes it's a joke moron. I'm sorry you have a stick too far up your own ass to see that. You also seem to be dodging around the fact that it's a wooden doll in a fictional video game. Strangely enough, you seem to be the only one insisting that it's pedophilia. So you're the one here whos saying that it's not a joke and is really sexy right? What does that say a bout you pedo?
I mean, what a hilarious joke. Isn't it funny.
Yep it sure is mr fun police. Didn't realize you were the grand arbiter of jokes, and if it isn't funny to you it must not be a joke.
It's a very funny joke and jokes are not a crime.
It sure is, I'm glad we agree.
The police should not arrest people for thinking children in bondage gear is funny. Or for having paraphernalia that appreciates how truly hilarious and comical it is. Society should not judge the next Gallager just because he brings a naked child on stage instead of smashing a watermelon.
Sure am glad this a video game and not real life. I've heard only psychopaths can't tell the difference between the two. Also even within the context of said fictional video game, said "child" is a wooden doll that isn't alive. Of course only real pedos would project their sick fantasies into situations where they don't actually exist. Good thing we both realize it's just a harmless joke right buddy?
Okay, anon. But concerned parents may wish to know about your keen sense of humor before they let you tell any "funny jokes" to or with their kids.
Good thing Shadow hearts covenant is rated T for teen right. No parents should be letting their little kids play that unless they were pedos right friend?
I would argue there is in fact no good reason for most people to play Covenant.
Ok? Good for you I guess?
Hey moron, ten minutes into the first game you already have Yuri joking about raping Alice while she's unconscious. If you're concerned about this being creepy you should've checked out right then and there.
Yeah. It's kind of an internal monologue and he doesn't act on it. Like it's a flaw he's displaying there, and as he gets to know Alice he stops talking like that.
Also he's an athletic twenty-something who grew up by himself in the streets. It's one thing to keep a girl your age and say, "Hey, I'd like to see more of this," but then behave. It's another to carve a wooden effigy of your dead daughter and dress her like a bawd.
Too bad. Get over yourself. Don't like it don't, play it. Now frick of back to your discord and groom some kids pedo.
>Covenant has a rape joke every other scene.
If you don't love that and wish more games did that you are a boring person. The absolute best part of Shadow Hearts is that it's not sanitized for children.
BTW this is how I was before the final boss, I save videos about all the games I finish on twitch.
Nta but it's more interesting. I like that we get to see more of the world. And you're probably the same guy who rags on about the ending but that's one of my favorite parts about it. The concept of a sequel to a bad end is great and it executes it very well.
Also it did have a clear story, it was a story about coping with loss. Maybe replay it sometime.
What's Koudelka? is it part of this series?
Reading this thread has made me want to play the games so i'd like to know if I have to start with that one
Koudelka is basically a small bit of backstory on some stuff from SH. It's connected to the series (same world, some mentions of stuff from it, etc).
Sounds cool is it a JRPG like the Shadowhearts games?
It's a weird combination of a JRPG and a survival horror game. It has interesting ideas, but in practice the gameplay kinda sucks.
Koudelka is a precursor to Shadow Hearts but not a prequel. It's about the first time someone tried to use the Emigre Manuscript to raise the dead, and it goes poorly. You play as Koudelka, who appears in Shadow Hearts but not as a central character. Shadow Hearts visits the aftermath of the Koudelka incident, but doesn't dwell on it.
>Hey guys, what if Gipetto has a little girl doll, and the little girl doll got more and more naked? Haha. It'd be so funny.
Yes I'm glad you understand. You might pull down your pants to wank to the dress up shit, but that doesn't mean everyone does. It's a joke in the same vein that you trade beefcake porn with a couple of gay frechies. Or how Yuri gets raped by a masseuse in the first game. Or Yuri joking about rapeing Alice in the first game. It's clearly not meant to be taken seriously, and the fact that you do says a lot.
I actually liked the acupuncturist in the first game because it played well against Yuri being a pussy hound. First thing Yuri does when he meets Alice is have inappropriate thoughts about her, and in the very next scene he meets a gay guy having unwanted sexual thoughts about Yuri. It's funny and works because there's a comeuppance and nobody acts like they're doing something good. Yuri's behavior is a flaw, and the acupuncturist's behavior is a flaw. Yuri gradually cuts down on his inappropriate behavior as well, with Alice commenting on it and remarking she's glad he was a better man than first impressions implied.
With Convenent, though, the whole thing is just enabling. You fetch porn for the gay dick fiends and they make dresses for the pedophile, and at no point do they say, "Hey, might we be going too far?"
Again you are a censorious homosexual. Your definition of "too far" does not apply to everyone. And why shouldn't a ridiculous over the top JRPG try to push the limits? Because morons like you say they shouldn't? Also regarding your first point, I think you're reading into that way too deeply. Mayunn is just supposed to be the "funny gay rape" character. I really doubt the intention was to have a narrative arc with Yuri.
Intentional or not, Mayunn holds a mirror up to Yuri's behavior and ironically Yuri hates being objectified by Mayunn more than any other character. It might be an accident, but regardless it works - and again, Yuri lays off the creepy stuff within the first half of the game.
Gipetto's pedophilia, on the other hand, is highlighted and exacerbated. Acquiring sexier outfits for the child doll is treated by the game as a good thing and a desirable outcome for all parties, including the player. I don't think I need to prove to the majority of people that pedophilia is wrong, and obviously you like it so you're kinda beyond persuading, but regardless the two games have much different dynamics and different severity where it comes to inappropriate sexual behavior.
You are simply incorrect. Much like the pedo shit, you are seeing things that simply don't exist. I'm seeing a common theme here of you being unable to understand humor. Autistic by any chance?
Regarding the rest, in the first game you get gameplay benefits by having Mayunn rape your male party members. How is that any better than getting gameplay benefits from Geppetto's stuff? And as I said before it's clearly not supposed to be taken seriously, but clearly you're beyond persuading. If you find it sexy instead of funny then that's your problem not everyone else's and it shouldn't be taken out of the game just because you feel weird about it.
I'm not incorrect, you're a morally bankrupt e-girlcon.
Mayunn is depicted as being incorrigible and in the wrong for his behavior. He's not celebrated for being a deviant, rapist weirdo. You don't get whole scenes where everyone is excited for the bigger, more dramatic sexual abuse. You don't even get graphical depictions - it's just text and you can infer what he's doing but there's also some plausible deniability.
With the dick fiends of Covenenant, you are shown the porn. You give them the porn, and they make e-girlcon outfits for you. You are shown the e-girlcon outfits in game. You are given descriptions of the e-girlcon outfits and told why they are so allegedly good and that they are "female perfection" and so on.
What you're describing is likely because of the Covenant having a bigger budget and better hardware to work with. Everything got this treatment in the transfer from SH1. And the characters do call Geppetto's doll creepy. It's been a while since I've played so I don't remember specifics but I know Yuri calls it creepy at one point I've said this 10 times by now, but you're the only one seeing this sexually. It meant to be an over the top joke about Geppetto being a creep and the frenchies being gay wierdos. Black person you are the pedo here if you genuinely find a naked wooden doll sexy. This seems to be a you problem, so it's good you have no influence on game design pedo. Do these things get you hard?
>Shadow Hearts 1
>deviation from the norm is punished
>appropriate
>Shaodw Hearts 2
>deviation from the norm is not punished
>inappropriate
Very concerning worldview.
Even better.
Can you guys provide more SH webms?
Imagine a game where you romance your own 30 something year old mother haha that would be so funny hahaha
The music was so good, surpassing even Chrono Cross.
She's not my mom and Alice was shit anyway.
you can call me Kevin kline
Honestly, Yuri is a unique protagonist for a Jap game in that, despite having Russian heritage, he didn’t have white or blonde hair
Covenant was so good it's insane, an actual 11/10 game. It's such a shame New World killed this series deader than dead.
The game could never be released again in current year.
Gepetto having a naked e-girl doll modelled after his own dead daughter that you can dress in bawd outwear alone is enough to exile it forever.
>Shadow Hearts 1 has cool fuse monsters and shit yo
>Shadow Hearts 2 has some cool fuse monsters and some really shitty ones
>Shadow Hearts 3 has everyone being bodypainted humans in various states of undress
>Penny Blood has everyone being knights
I don't appreciate this development.
At least most of the Penny Blood designs have been cool so far.
you realize this place has been invaded with redditors when the main discussion of the thread is about how a midget marionette having sexy costumes in a videogame "it's le wrong!!"
I remember seeing a screen cap where Ganker celebrated a site pedo who had several gigs of "comedy" on his hard drive. The court documents were hilarious because the police confronted him and every single time it states "Mr Davis said this was a joke".
>We asked Mr Davis why he bragged about having 200 gigs of child porn on Ganker. Mr Davis said this was a joke.
>When asked why his internet history showed child porn websites, Mr Davis said he visited those sites as a joke
>When asked why he had 200 gigs of child porn, Mr Davis said it was a joke
By celebrated I mean they celebrated him being caught.
Ganker was lawless but it would report you for raping people or for standing in a salad at the McDonald's. Pedos got away with being here because they weren't all dumb enough to share their home address, but they were not really welcome.
Mmhmm. And remind me was this pictures of actual children, or of fictional wooden dolls from video games? I'm sensing some false equivalency here.
The difference is that sexualized depictions of fictional minors are only illegal in certain regions rather than globally.
That's not what I asked. I asked did he have pictures of real children or fictional wooden dolls from video games? Try to answer the question this time.
Probably both, dipshit. The dude was a pedo with hundreds of gigs of child porn. He probably would have loved Covenant and Gipetto would have resonated with him.
So you admit you have no idea what you're actually talking about. Nice job failing to prove your own point moron. Please try again with an actual argument instead of going on a tangent about that time your friend got arrested.
I am telling you the guy with hundreds of gigs of child "comedy" on his computer probably would have appreciated how "funny" Covenenant could be and how Gipetto was.
Do you have any proof? Because without proof to back up your argument you have no point. You're just saying "he totally wanted to frick the wooden doll from a pretty obscure video game guys trust me" without anything to back it up. This is entirely unrelated to what we were discussing.
that's mad thad mcmichael. don't tell me you gays don't know about him
I forgot the name but not the man.
Good for you.
But what does that have to do with shadowhearts?
You guys are defending the e-girlcon elements of Covenant as a "hilarious joke", and I'm just so keenly reminded of Mad Thad being arrested for being that funny.
You are trying to make a connection between two unrelated things. If you want to do that you need proof of which you have provided none. And yes for the last time they are jokes you dumb black ass monkey Black person.
The connection is that maybe a child in a thong isn't really that funny of a joke, guys. Some people would say it's a little creepy, even, and is something that makes Covenenant a little flawed.
That's not a connection moron, that's you guessing. You have no proof to back up your claims. Also congratulations, it looks like you're finally getting closer to understanding the joke. The game is invoking the creep factor as part of the humor. It's called black comedy, something a Black person like you should understand.
Are you also gonna arrest GRRM for writing khaleesi having a child at the age of 12? I don't get your point. You're comparing fantasy with a guy having the real stuff
that was an extremely weird and unnecessary plot twist. but still love the game. would love more judgement ring style combat systems in jrpg.
>unnecessary
nothing in any story is 'necessary', the twist is what makes the ending special and memorable
I love me some references.
then you must have LOVED the blanca MGS segment.
I sure did.
Blanca was fricking excellent in general. Would've been best party member if it weren't for Joachim.
>four fricking sanity points for your healer
>four fricking sanity points for the one person you definitely want to bring with you to boss fights
Funniest thing about the sanity system was how if they lost their sanity, they would almost always immediately use your rarest items, but never your sanity-restoring items.
And that's why you dps rush bosses.
yeah the covenant are weirdos. one of the bosses is a bdsm lady too.
There were items to buff sanity total, and it went up with time anyway IIRC. And yes, her healing was full moron strong, so her having low Sanity was the balance.
Resetera aren't sending their best I see.
>devolves into pedoshit arguments
Guy who said this was a comfy thread must be killing himself right now.
I mean. Look. Covenant is not that amazing of a game. You ought to be suspicious of someone saying it's 11/10 - it's really not. If you've got someone in the thread saying it's the best game in the universe, all you have to do is mention the pedo stuff and boom, that guy is going to blow up on you.
The soundtrack is great, the judgment ring system is cool. The story in Covenenant is a mess. The tone is all over the place. The characters are forgettable. You interact with major historical personalities with no respect for them. It drags in some places. It has some really unnecessary sequences. Mecha get introduced towards the end even though it's supposed to be an occult game.
There is one reason this dude is rating it an 11/10 and you are not liable to agree with him if you aren't as into "comedy" as he is.
When self righteous moral grandstanders like
crawl out of their echo chambers to proclaim that "this kind of content shouldn't be allowed" you have a moral obligation to call him a Black person and a moron. Not doing that enough is why games have no edge nowadays.
Also I'm still waiting on that proof homosexual.
I just eon't see what's so funny about pedophilia, anon, or how such a consistent and recurring joke elevates such a disappointing sequel to "11/10" status.
I would like you to point out where in MY posts I've said that Covenant was an 11 out of 10. I have have never once claimed that you fricking moron. The only thing I've done is call out your censorious homosexualry. I've also already explained why it's a joke, and why you're the only pedo here for seeing it as not an obvious joke. "What if popular fairy tale character Geppetto was a creepy old man with a little wooden doll of his daughter?" That's the whole point moron. It's supposed to be creepy as a joke.
Have you ever considered the possibility that self-righteous moral grandstanders are in fact just pedos in disguise who use their complaints about cute fictional children to test the waters?
They better not make Penny Blood chink store exclusive.
Only time Timmy will ever get a cent out of me, those games are going to be day 1 purchases. I don't care if they're GotY or the worst fricking game ever made.
Who was your favorite vampire, Keith, Joachim or Hilde?
Joachim overall since his gimmick was so good that FtNW tried it again with Frank, but Hilde is pretty close for being fapworthy.
you can't beat Joachim, he was great. Gran Papillon wrestling was also a fun little side quest.
Of all the JRPGs I wasted my teen years on, this was among the most memorable. And based on the thread, I didnt understand shit and but I certainly remember enjoying the ride.
Got I love Shadowheart and can't wait for Penny Blood, everything about it seems amazing. I love all the shown party members so far.
Shadow Hearts, fricking autocorrect.
Why the sudden interest in this game? Did some e-celeb shill it?
wow, a thread that didn't die in 10 minutes, must be someone shilling a 20 year old game..
50% of the thread is one gay ragemalding over "morally bad things"
It's been 10 years since I played the game and I decided to make a thread about it while I'm replaying it. I wasn't around on Ganker before so I was curious to read people's thoughts. The first half of the thread was good at least.
I was just thinking the other day about how I played Covenant as a teenager and forgot all about it or what it was called. I always wanted to check it out again to see if it's worth finishing but I didn't know there were 4 games in the series. Should I play all 4 or just skip straight to Shadow Hearts 1?
Watch a YouTube on Kudelka, then play SH1 and 2. 3 is optional, it's not a continuation like 1 and 2 are. It does have some cameos though.
Thanks anon. Sounds like the consensus is that SH1 is basically mandatory SH2 less so but still probably worth playing, and Kodelka and 3 are somewhat optional. I think I'll try 1 and 2 and then see if I'm a mad enough lad to try the other two.
Also, didn't get bored of Covenant. It wasn't my copy and as I had just gotten a PS2 at the time I was probably being buck broken by the PS2's insane library. I remember it being kinda cool.
SH1 and 2 are mandatory. Don't take one spergs moronic rambling as truth.
Kodelka has the best story but the shittiest gameplay. FTNW has the best gameplay but the shittiest story. SH1 and Covenant are a good balance of the two.
Covenenant is going nowhere, and if you got bored playing as a teen to the point you didn't finish it, it won't get better as an adult. I loved the first game but was nearly ready to throw the disc in the trash by the time the game got to Japan because, just, nothing is happening. Nothing that isn't dumb anyway. It ends with paradoxical time loop bullshit so if that bothers you, you're in for an unfortunate resolution.
Play Shadow Hearts 1, but then view Covenant as a non-canon fanfiction continuation written by someone who really liked things from the first game but didn't "get" them. Don't feel compelled to finish Covenant, it adds nothing to SH1 and if anything robs from it a little by existing and tarnishing the characters.
Play SH1 for sure then absolutely play 2 because it's even better than 1.