Steam is not a monopoly on anything but mindshare, which is only the case because every other launcher is lacking it's features.
ANY company could bring their launcher up to parity with Steam by including a few of the more important features, (Useful friend lists, an in-game UI that's not utter shite, mod support, and good ways for people to communicate/community features like reviews, dev notes, patch notes, etc) but all of those companies just half-ass it.
Very rarely a developer studios will make a game launcher capable of competing with Steam, but they almost never expand their catalogue to include more than 2-3 games and never are they as good as the first.
As a rule, I think that game publishers should just go away. Big studios can be funded internally and small studios are better off on Steam Greenlight or doing a fundraising campaign.
But anon, letting people write forum posts and adding a thumbs up feature requires frick loads of programmers, Epic can't afford to hire all those people, there are just too many features that steam has had DECADES to build up its monopoly. The government needs to step in.
Publishers exist because it offloads risk to a larger entity and functions as an investment group
That business model will never go away for large projects like movies or games
Too bad almost every "large" product in the history of video games has sucked massive donkey nuts. Go look at any Top 100 or anon 9x9s or pick your own favorite set of games and I nearly guarantee you that it's mostly going to be self-published or first party titles.
As Gaben said ages ago, it's a service issue. All of these other services fricking suck ass, you neanderthal halfwit that escaped your mother's cum ridden butthole and dripped into her roast beef lipped snatch.
You know why no one uses Epic? It fricking sucks. It's the Fortnite Launcher, and nothing else. It has no features, it didn't even have a fricking CART, for YEARS.
You know why no one used any EA, Ubisoft, etc, shit? It was practically malware, in name and in spirit. Oh, and now Ubisoft will just be taking your games away if you don't log in often enough, tee hee! How great for consumers! Isn't this choice wonderful?
The only even half decent other shop is fricking GOG, and they've got the same issues all the rest have, skimped on the fricking features and ease of use. Shit, Steam even has porn games on it these days, so you don't even need any of those 1000000 sketchy ass porn game stores with fricking machine translation quality storefronts, either.
>The only even half decent other shop is fricking GOG
The only good thing about GoG is that it releases games DRM-Free, in which case theres no reason for me to buy the game when a pirate gets the exact same experience for free.
GoG Galaxy is DRM and no different to steam, but saying that causes GoG shills to detonate.
>drm free
no, gog sells stuff with drm. sure, most of its drm free, but gog itself is not a drm free service. its the same as steam but with different ratios, you can buy drm free games on steam just like gog, the only difference is what percentage of games are/are not drm free.
fundamentally the same. if you do not support companies who use drm, you cannot support GoG. hilariously, people choose this hill to die on, that GoG is indeed drm, and dismiss the examples given as "well its just a little/its just one thing/it doesnt matter" before just resorting to insults and dismissing it entirely, passively aggressively conceding defeat.
Steam maintains your games, your servers, keeps your games updated and if you want, gives them access to the workshop so people can mod it easily.
There's a good reason it's the most used by both customers and developers and even after all of that, It's still not a monopoly. They don't control the prices, even on sales, they still need approval from the devs. They also don't control supply or trade since it's a digital good and it's always available. The only reason it wouldn't be if it's the dev decided to pull the game from the store for any reason, again, not under control of steam.
I'm won't settle for an inferior service because monopolies bad
it's not my job to regulate markets, I'll keep seeking the most value for the lowest price because that's where my interest lies
also egs are the ones actively seeking monopolies over the distribution of specific games to spare them the need to provide a competitive service
If there was a better service available then I would use it. I WILL NOT be shamed into quitting steam you homosexual. Does this kind of marketing work for you in China?
Steam is a 'monopoly' because their competitors suck balls. If Epic wasn't Chinese spyware and if it had features up to parity maybe they wouldn't have such dominance over the market
you were offered that many years ago, when steam was also a pile of shit, yet you kept eating that one to the exclusion of the others. stop pretending you care about quality.
Make a better launcher instead of just being fricking annoying. Rockstar Ubisoft EA I rest my case. No one shits on gog or heroic launcher cause they aren't fricking shit
I can play my games through steam on linux with steam proton. Can all the other digital distribution platforms step up their development already? Especially epic, who is flush with cash from Fortnite and the Unreal engine, yet they chose to give away games instead of improving their epic platform.
The problem with Ganker is that the mods don't care. They've given up trying to moderate this place and the only posts they actually ban people for are the ones obviously rules-breaking at a glance. They don't even use the board enough to see the most obvious shitposting patterns. The only thing that could fix Ganker even temporarily is a massive purge. I'm talking blocking entire fricking countries, blocking phoneposting, and blocking a few choice ISPs for months on end. But that requires a lot of effort and continuous moderation so Hrioshima and his discord circlejerk won't bother trying it.
I don't give a shit either way I just want all my games in one place >GABEN IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GAMES AWAY
then I switch full time to pirating, it's no big deal.
Yeah, the guy from "supersize me" basically was drinking over a gallon of soda a day and blaming his weight gain on chicken nuggets (which was rude of him to do!)
Burger really isnt bad for you. Mcslopers just has a ridiculous amount of sugar in the bread. If you were autstic enough, you could get whole wheat buns and just swap them when you order. Its the potatoes, soda, and the bread that makes you a fat frick
the sauce is also full of sugar
replace it with some homemade mayo (and don't put too much of it), and burger is super healthy and balanced
This. A QPC has a good amount of protein (30g) and is 550 calories. There are better foods sure, but it's filling and tastes good.
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Yeah, the guy from "supersize me" basically was drinking over a gallon of soda a day and blaming his weight gain on chicken nuggets (which was rude of him to do!)
This is why you're balding. Your fear of sugar and love of fat. asiatics used to be fullheads because of their affinity towards sugar/carbs in the form of rice.
>Epic exclusive? Well that sucks. I wanted workshop support, forums, and cloud saves so I can easily download and play on my PC and steam deck. Now it's just annoyin- >UHHHHH SWEATY DONT YOU KNOW THATS FEATURES ONLY A MONOPOLY WOULD HAVE????? WAAAAH LOOK AT STEAM FAN OVER HERE CRYING ABOUT AN INCONVENIENCE
Suck my dick. I pay for the convenience. If you're going to make me manually add my game to steam so I can play it via big picture mode then im going to pirate it since I'll be doing the same shit but for free.
>Workshop support
Only if the game developer explicitly enables it >Forums
Don't lie these things are fricking useless >Cloud saves so I can play on my deck
You are less than 0.01% of the userbase even on Steam.
>Don't lie these things are fricking useless
Lmao. Did you forget the utter humiliation that of Epic when their users had to come to the Steam forums to get advice and support?
No because I have not once in the history of ever playing any games used the forums for support. In the few cases I did have an issue the forums did not help because it was clogged with Ganker-tier non-threads.
>Y-You just got filtered!
No this shit is literally useless because it's the same as navigating Ganker where the entire thing is clogged with non-threads and directly searching for your issue will, optimistically, yield a thread with 0 replies.
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>i dont know how to search >but i didnt get filtered
okay buddy sure thing
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>N-No! The forums aren't worthless garbage full of people posting Ganker-tier bait threads, especially now! Just search better!
Never change, Ganker
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ah, shit, he hit me with a reddit tier post, guess i better give up. like you did. searching the forums
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It's cute how technologically inept people can (still) be
I mean launchers had a place in the past because you can't account for every PC configuration so it allowed you to change graphics and shit before the game started so you don't lock yourself out if you turned on something your PC couldn't handle
>single women on some random dating app are fat and ugly >several of those are just very obviously just men anyway
Damn, it's almost as if the majority the attractive and not-psycho women out there don't need to be on a dating app.
I hope it's at least a Tolkien situation where the son is respectful to the father's wishes before the ~~*estate*~~ gets any control. At least by then I'll be dead.
>Product so good that you don't even need to resort to shady tactics to bring competitors down like MS >Muh monopoly
The free market at work. You don't like it? make a better product.
I don't give a shit if it was originally from some gay anime. There are some good animes like pic related (also a good reaction image) but you only post troony-tier shit. Been here longer than you, zoomer.
>twitter filename >CoD >doesn't understand the difference between installing and downloading
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>d-doesn't count because reasons
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It doesn't count because you're a moron who doesn't understand the difference between installing something and downloading it. Most zoomers are like this, just completely inept when it comes to understanding tech unless it's an iPhone.
Of course not, it's just glorified demos that require 500GB of updates to even run and additional purchases with downloads varying in size, but """"physical""""gays will insist it's they who own games, not you who has a DRM-free copy of the fully updated, fully DLC'd game.
Physical copies mean jackshit in today's marketplace where launching a game unoptimized and with constant updates is the norm. As for retro, I'm not paying anyone for ancient plastic when I can play it natively with a few hours worth o work. Nice trips, however.
Totally agree. The only other laucher I will use is Gog for their older games. Frick EGS Timmy has been saying PC gaming is dead for the last 10 years and now he wants a piece of the pie.
Pretty much this. Epic had their chance and even had Steam to look to for reference on what a good launcher should be. Literally Steam and GOG are the only two I know that are decent launchers.
I hate bloatware more than I hate monopolies
My c: drive is constantly in the red and freeing space when needed is a fricking chore since so much of it is actual useful/important suff, so excuse me for NOT wanting your steam copycat that'll eat 2gbs for absolutely no reason
For me disk space isn't that much of an issue (aside from shitty new games that take several fricking hundred gigabytes for no good reason) but I am fricking tired of Electron shit like nu-Steam eating upwards of 1 gigabyte of memory just to render some stupid fricking effects and animations that I don't like, don't want to see and don't even fricking need because all I need the launcher to do is display a list of my games and let me launch them.
>that take several fricking hundred gigabytes for no good reason
Uncompressed audio in like 10 fricking languages is the reason. Games ship with all of this dumb shit on them, like anyone in the US is speaking fricking EU languages or fricking Outer Mongolian or some shit.
Fricking RE8 which looks and sounds better than 99% of games on the market was like 25g's. Fricking Diablo 4 which looks like ass was over 80.
The irony of this complaint in this thread is that when releasing a game on Steam, you can separate your game files by various criteria like language, and only the necessary ones will be downloaded. But no developer seems to take advantage of this.
They don't do that because it would take precious time and that's 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000th of 0.000000000002 cents they're saving by not doing that and some mongoloid in marketing told them games taking up more space means it also takes up more mindspace because you're thinking "Oh wow what big number big number GOOD".
You’re obviously just parroting the steamshill company line and haven’t used Epic for years because the launcher has gotten a lot quicker and added a lot more features. You people are worse than boomers with your silly brand loyalty and ‘change bad’ attitude.
>epic is being shilled by: chinks, streetshitters, israelites like that former valve employee, troons
yup, enough reasons to not touch epic chink botnet, enough reasons to stick to steam and gog
>Steam >Game launches immediately >Literally any other launcher >Has to open up seven different apps after clicking on the app >Oops, looks like there's a sale, opening up the main store now >You want to hear the newest deals on games you've never heard about? >
That's a straight up value add. The only reason regular desktop Steam doesn't do that is because of diverse hardware and software. Every Deck is the same, so it's possible to distribute precompiled shaders/pipelines ahead of time.
This was indeed very annoying but 100% the fault of the games, and doesn’t happen anymore in steam. This still happens with non-steam setup processes, even non-launcher setups, so it’s not a steam issue.
I haven't seen this in years, but even back when it was common that was the game, not Gaben. Gaben doesn't get enough Diet Coke money from MS to shill DX.
At least have the decency to not make multiple of the same shitty threads at the same time
Because you're in Ganker where they are magnified x100, everyone is called a troony, trannies constantly posted, getting a thread with 100 replies where trannies don't get brought up seems borderline impossible anymore
my brother in christ you are visiting the website where "troony" is one of the most reused words in the site's entire history, you are not seeing them everywhere, you are seeing people who believe they are everywhere
You purposefully browsing a website that is obsessed with trannies to a degree any psychologist would consider pathological.
Maybe that's why
At least have the decency to not make multiple of the same shitty threads at the same time
Because you're in Ganker where they are magnified x100, everyone is called a troony, trannies constantly posted, getting a thread with 100 replies where trannies don't get brought up seems borderline impossible anymore
If they didn't try to raid Ganker, if they didn't use a public discord to organize in, if they didn't get fricking caught, then maybe the word 'troony' wouldn't have caught on as a slur so quickly.
nice to see that jonah evolved from these moronic operations to swatting, unfortunately he's still probably doing his damndest to push lambright to suicide
we used to not need launchers at all. you just simply had games on your pc and that was the end of it. i tolerate steam because it was just one to deal with and it was decently designed. i'm not interested in having 20 different barriers between each of my games that all require a login and a email verification because it's been months since the last login and then an update, and then a relaunch because of the update, etc, etc..
Monopolies are good for the consumer. You've just been psyoped into thinking they're bad but other businesses who demand a slice of the pie they were too customer unfriendly enough to get themselves. Seethe. Cope. Dilate.
No they're not. If one thing becomes the only platform then the consumer is at the whims of the service provider and they can just tank their quality and rack up their prices with you having no place to resort.
The thing is that PC will never truly have a monopoly because every platform has to compete with the best and worst platform of all: Piracy.
>monoploies are good
not really ive been yearning for a real gamign handheld for years and the only first party option is the swiitch and i hate that cuz of the active cooling and large size, i stick to older devices cuz i literally cannot move on unless i go to a chink handeld that is too weak to play anything on the pc angle.
A monopoly can go either way. It's possible for a monopoly to be more pro-consumer than a competitive business, because it doesn't have to compete with anti-consumer businesses that will tend to be more profitable. In the majority of cases, that doesn't happen, of course.
But Steam isn't a monopoly. It's just by far the most successful entry in the PC game storefront market. It's more to do with Steam being a private company that isn't beholden to shareholders, with Gaben as a benevolent dictator.
Not to mention Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>18 years of service >212 games >Monopolies are good for the consumer.
Yeah, if I barely use said product or service, I wouldn't give a shit about monopolies either.
Competition between companies is good for the consumer. Monopolies imply a lack of competition. When there is a lack of competition, there is no incentive to appeal to the consumer, and an assumption of "they will continue using our product because there is no viable alternative".
The argument is invalid, there's nothing to discuss. There are plenty of options and steam doesn't use its position to keep others from being competitive, not a monopoly
Arguments with no substance that are this ridiculous are not worth engaging with. They are not valid arguments and so do not deserve valid counterarguments.
>"Hey, you wanna add a non-Steam game?" >"I'll even add controller support" >"We got everything. Control configs, dead zones, you name it." >"Even got Nintendo button layouts as a toggle just in case you're used to that layout." >"What'll it cost? Nothing."
We got the benevolent dictator thing going. Frick competition. Long live king Gaben.
I'd say five. Gabe's smart enough to make sure whoever comes after him isn't a complete failure. I'm guessing it'll take about four or five years for the post to wear the new guy down, and when he passes the baton or retires, the third generation boss won't hesitate to shit all over everything.
What warped reality are you living in, moron? You slide in here out of /misc/ or some shit thinking Ronnie D is somehow sticking it to the "muh libruhl" Disney? The same Disney that funds every R campaign lmao
Microsoft is a monopoly, what most people don't understand is that monopoly by itself isn't bad, malicious monopoly is, fricking over your competition/consumers with underhanded shit is why monopolies are fined for billions dollars or even get balkanized. Steam does nothing that would get them in trouble even if they reach the market share to get the status of monopoly, same with GoG, Epic on the other hand as monopoly would get sued into oblivion day1.
What's your point? Do you think these other launchers are doing anything better than steam at all? in the fricking slightest? EGS is just paying devs with chink money to NOT deliver their game to 90% of their playerbase most of the time. And then a year later, they do it and the game gets the attention it deserves. They're not some hero working for the consumer, that's steam, moron.
GoG is great, cheap drm-free games and for the most part a no-frills launcher. I've bought several games there. Wish their patching wasn't so shit though, I had to re-download Cyberpunk in it's entirety to apply a 4gb patch once for no reason.
Yeah, Steam rocks >one-click mod support >dlc management >auto updates >game and server tools support >cloud saves >regular sales >big pic mode >vr support >forums and social >can make money off tards on the market
It's a godsend platform that saved PC gaming, thanks Valve, also >she
I've spent 10+ years building a library and collecting steam cheevos in my games. I'm not giving up or wasting time with other launchers on other accounts just to play 1 game when I already have dozens on Steam already
I am a bit miffed when I gotta open a second launcher to play a game I own. >You know I wanted to play BG3, Larian. Let me play BG3 immediately. When I come back from taking a piss, I want to be at the title screen of BG3 not at your STUPID FRICKING LAUNCHER
it's easy to see the negatives, but to ignore the positives is pretty silly. if it wasn't for the infrastructure already in place, a lot of dev teams would struggle to get games released and distributed, not to mention the far cheaper cost of advertising. by reducing the overhead costs, you allow smaller teams to exist and create more things with a higher chance of success than they'd have otherwise, if you play and enjoy games that aren't AAA, anything indie or AA or even from small publishers, then it's highly likely that you've benefitted from their existence without knowing it
whether that's worth the negatives though is fair and hey maybe for you they're not, fair enough if so, there's just more to this stuff than launcher bad
it's easy to see the negatives, but to ignore the positives is pretty silly. if it wasn't for the infrastructure already in place, a lot of dev teams would struggle to get games released and distributed, not to mention the far cheaper cost of advertising. by reducing the overhead costs, you allow smaller teams to exist and create more things with a higher chance of success than they'd have otherwise, if you play and enjoy games that aren't AAA, anything indie or AA or even from small publishers, then it's highly likely that you've benefitted from their existence without knowing it
whether that's worth the negatives though is fair and hey maybe for you they're not, fair enough if so, there's just more to this stuff than launcher bad
There's nothing really preventing us from having both. Why not just have the "launcer" install the game and then not need to open the launcer ever again.
You can release a game on Steam without using Steamworks (not just DRM, but also features like Steam Input, networking etc.) and it will work without having the Steam client open or even installed.
Game launchers were always going to happen on PC to combat piracy. We're just lucky as hell that Valve was the first to get in on it before greedy fricks like EA did. It could have been way worse than it ended up being.
Nah I still pirate games, like kingdom hearts 3. I'm not giving any money to epic for that shit. Epic better give it to me free soon or I uninstall their shitty epic launcher for good.
Steam is just the best platform for games, and it will continue to be because they are competent and give the consumer what they want.
If people b***h about muh monopoly then they should write morons like Creepy Tim at Epic Games and tell them to make a better service, which of course they won't, but then you actually did something other than being a little b***h about Steam being awesome.
what PC user says this? this is something self proclaimed "anarcho socialist" would say as they go to Starbucks, complain about billionaires and order their toiletries from Amazon
Steam is so much better than the competition that I wouldn't give a frick even if it actually was a monopoly. Imagine if Steam just disappeared one day and all its games were distributed to other launchers, would those companies put more effort in to deliver a better experience that what Steam provided? Of course not, they'd deliver the same substandard shit while "competing" with each other by buying exclusivity deals.
What exactly is the benefit of me splitting my library up onto 4 services?
No hypotheticals, either. What am I RIGHT NOW getting from it?
The developers decide the deals and prices, not Epic or Valve, so it's not that.
One service being massively superior, by virtue of simply being designed and operated better, and being more popular as a result, is not covered by the definition of a "Monopoly."
Learn what words mean.
Technically, if one product is so successful its competitors give up entirely, that does become a monopoly. In such a case, law says the dominant product must be shittified to the point competitors can once again compete with it. Rare case of anti-monopoly legislation being anti-consumer as well. Law's weird like that, and I believe the people writing anti-monopoly laws just assumed every monopoly is achieved by shady means.
>Technically, if one product is so successful its competitors give up entirely, that does become a monopoly. In such a case, law says the dominant product must be shittified to the point competitors can once again compete with it. Rare case of anti-monopoly legislation being anti-consumer as well. Law's weird like that, and I believe the people writing anti-monopoly laws just assumed every monopoly is achieved by shady means.
no idiot. Natural monopolies are perfectly acceptable under the law, the problem comes if the monopoly company uses their power to warp the market outside of that. Steam has done none of that.
>I HATE monopolies on principle alone and everyone should go out of their way and use a worse product out of principle alone >Yes my gaming PC runs Windows and has a Nvidia graphics card, why do you ask?
Platform monopolies are often just convenient as a consumer.
The moment Netflix stopped being relevant was when I started looking at non-paid alternatives. I'm not paying 5 subscriptions while still not getting to watch half the things I want to watch because I'm from EU. Just as I'm not using 10 launchers to play games.
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>"you just have to open another launcher" morons when their PC is inundated with 20 separate overly resource heavy, redundant, auto-updating launchers that only seem to lose functionality with time
No you drooling ape I'm saying Steam is already a problem by virtue of being a launcher. The ideal number is zero and just because one is better than ten billion doesn't mean it's fine.
That does not mean Steam is good just because they won the moron olympics by offering OoP deep discounts first (which of course dried up instantly once they were the dominant launcher). They are still bloatware that eats 30% of developer revenue in the name of being a "platform".
Steam is shit
Epic is shit
Launchers are shit
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You care way too fricking much about this. You, Gaben, your mother, this guy
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>IMAGINE NOT BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING ETC ETC
No, you dumb Black person. Steam and video games register nowhere on the "cultural or historical importance and relevancy" meter. Video games are fricking toys, and toys are not worth preserving or caring this much about. It's a literal consoomerist hellscape to get involved in emotionally. Shit, dude, I even have the perfect alternative for you. PIRATE THAT SHIT. >muh Denuvo!
Alright, if you're gonna cry about 0.2% of total games ever released, that's on your sorry goyslop ass. You are about as intellectually and morally sound as the insects I hear chittering outside right now. You have all the solutions, but you instead choose to die on some WEIRD fricking hill instead of admitting that video games are just really fancy toys. You are getting in the way of your own enjoyment.
>Steam hasn't done anything bad so far though.
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here are the things steam caused so far:
-got rid of physical media in PC gaming
-standardized DRM in PC gaming
-increased the price of PC games to be the exact same as on consoles (PC games used to cost significantly less because the platform itself was free to release games on. Steam started taking the same cuts consoles do despite it just being a glorified middle man website on windows/pc platform and having none of the massive expenses console need to spend to stay alive)
-it caused Valve to stop developing games and stop fricking trying as it serves as a zero effort cashcow >inb4 they still develop games
the only fricking games they released in the last 10 years were a flopped card game and a 9 hours long linear VR game. That despite them making 30 times more money than Capcom, a company that just in the last 5 years released 8 successful AAA games.
also even if you believe that valve deserves to have steam as a monopoly because gaben is the fricking messiah (as if he wasn't a typical Kotick tier CEO spending actual 100+ millions on fricking luxury yachts) you should still be aware that it's inevitable that he will sell Valve, and then who the frick knows who will end up with this monopoly and what they will do with it. It's never a good thing to have this much power in one hand even if you are stupid enough to believe that they deserve it
>-got rid of physical media in PC gaming
Not an issue. >-standardized DRM in PC gaming
Not an issue. >-increased the price of PC games to be the exact same as on consoles (PC games used to cost significantly less because the platform itself was free to release games on. Steam started taking the same cuts consoles do despite it just being a glorified middle man website on windows/pc platform and having none of the massive expenses console need to spend to stay alive)
They didn't. Don't buy consolesop ports/multiplats. >-it caused Valve to stop developing games and stop fricking trying as it serves as a zero effort cashcow
Nothing of value was lost, most of their games weren't that amazing anyway.
No no, see, Steam is only big because they paid out of their own pocket to have big discounts on games years ago (publishers and developers were forced at gunpoint to go along with them), and there has never been 80-90%+ discounts on games since they achieved dominance.
if other companies want to compete with steam maybe they should hurry the frick up and reach steams standard of quality
it's been fricking decades, they had their chance
market forces mother fricker, users expect quality and they will leave your service to get it elsewhere if you don't provide it
the consumer is right to boss baby scream, frick companies you should have any rights you're not a person
You have to be monstrously moronic to pull this out of what I said, like you just are too stupid to live, you're so bad faith, so bias that you brain has rendered into a perfectly round and smooth ball.
I'm not even going to argue with you that post was so terrible, I'm just going to call you names, you're an idiot, you are moronic, you are a moron.
I hate you, I hate people like you, you shouldn't be allowed to post, you are everything wrong with people on the internet, you did it, you became the worst type of person to talk to online, you're not worth talking to, none of your opinions are your own, you are nothing but contrarianism and spite, you are basically not a person, you gave up your humanity to piss off internet strangers, that's your identity now, you are an internet person, you don't belong anywhere and people hate you, this is why you are lonely and sad and angry, you could be better but you wont, you don't even know what's wrong with you.
you're doing terribly at proving your own autonomy
NTA, but saying "bad faith" really makes you look like some screeching R*dditor. For the record, I agree with you, but please don't utter or type that phrase ever again lol
NTA, but saying "bad faith" really makes you look like some screeching R*dditor. For the record, I agree with you, but please don't utter or type that phrase ever again lol
t. literal moron zoomie
I sure do hope you aren't browsing the internet right now! That program, err, sorry, "application" :^) might contain some kind of EVIL code that can track your data or Trojan something in!! You don't know shit.
Shut the frick up and stop stretching the definition of a monopoly
There are multiple ways to get a game so it's not a monopoly, that's it
Just because the other options are fricking trash, that's on them and not Steam, frick you
i don't understand how steam is so good
can't other companies just throw money at developers and say 'copy steam'?
why the frick do they have such shitty launchers that are slow and buggy, these are storefronts and they run like shit
how can you not just copy what has already been done and successful, do they just not want to put in the money for actual work?
>can't other companies just throw money at developers and say 'copy steam'?
It seems obvious to us, but we live in an age of unprecedented corporatization of entertainment. Every decision any non-indie company makes has to be run past a table full of suit-wearing sociopaths who know nothing about video games, care nothing about video games, and are only there because they want to make green line go up. So if you want to change anything about your product you have to explain to these suited sociopaths how thing make green line go up and if they aren't convinced then they veto the idea and tell you to come up with something else that make green line go up.
I would bet devs have actually pitched the idea of a better storefront before but it gets shot down >Hey we should improve our storefront >Ok how will this make us more money >Well we would need to spend X to get it done and take Y months, but we should be able to pull in Z% new customers a year >wtf why doesn't this instantly yield 10x our investment? get the frick out of here
It's rapidly going down the shitter because they keep hiring freshly graduated diversity hires to work on their fricking UI.
The old Steam was a very functional and lightweight platform written in a good language. Modern steam is a disgustingly bloated Chromium piece of shit designed and written by 70iq Pajeets. I wish I had the money to send an assassin after every frontend developer at Valve.
I've never really had any problems with 'bloat' or whatever, I hate some of the new UI designs and wish you could change them back, but i also just hate change
Game invites from the friends list dont work anymore. You used to be able to mass invite a bunch of friends at the same time. Now any time you send an invite your whole window closes so you can only invite one person at a time. Wtf are these poojeets doing to my client?
I don't want to use any fricking launcher, I was already sucked into using steam, I don't want to juggle a million different ones
launchers shouldn't exist. Give me physical media and downloadable installers
People who say a monopoly is good because the current company holding the monopoly is "good" are the most short-sighted idiot moron gorilla Black folk on this fricking planet.
You are infuriatingly moronic, please never speak on these matters ever again because you actually kill the brain cells of better people when you speak up.
ok, show me another launcher that isn't a bloatware piece of shit that also makes me download 2 other launchers and that isn't a piece of chinese spyware
So guys, we all know that the op pic is wrong (steam is demonstrably NOT a monopoly, and even if you refuse to acknowledge that absolute fact, steam got where it is by providing the best service which is NOT an unfair business practice), so how many of these threads are we going to have to suffer through? The people posting this don't give a frick about the debate either way, they just want attention.
>morons not understanding what a monopoly is part 4305893095.
Steam doesn't control the supply or trade of anything in the video game industry. It's just a storefront. Is it unfairly more liked than other storefronts on PC? Absolutely, but that doesn't make them a monopoly at all.
I'm an old ass homie at this point and don't want to frick with extra launchers. It literally makes me tired when I have to do extra shit. I just want to press a button and go.
>Use steam due to their large catalogue, friend/multiplayer features, workshop, decent storefront, user-friendly UI, etc >Don't use Epic, GoG, etc because those services don't include the features I like >"YoU'rE hElPiNg A mOnOpOlY bY nOt SuPpOrTiNg InFeRiOr PrOdUcTs"
You morons truly don't understand what a free market is and why competition is good. Steam offers a lot that other services just do not have. It would be fully moronic to use anything other than steam to make it's competitors improve their services to remain competitive. You dipshits funneling your money into trash services are why innovation doesn't exist anymore. Frick you.
>multiple options exist >people willingly choose the best one >wtf you can't do that you have to give your money to inferior services or it's not fair
What causes this?
>I hate monopolies
I don't remember saying that.
And Steam made its biggest improvements while in this "monopoly status", before EA Origin, Uplay, EGS or whatthefrickever even existed.
What's even funnier is that Origin and Uplay were so fricking godawful during their entire run that they just straight up changed their names. Origin is now "The EA App" and Uplay is "Ubisoft Connect."
I don't know how they took shit and made it even shittier, but they did it.
Steam and Valve had first mover advantage which makes people more accepting of their shitty business practices, same thing as Apple being able to solder their NAND drives to the mobo and nobody who buys apple gives a shit.
>Steam and Valve had first mover advantage which makes people more accepting of their shitty business practices, same thing as Apple being able to solder their NAND drives to the mobo and nobody who buys apple gives a shit.
these are not comparable. Apple gets away with those things because the people who buy from them are utter morons, none other reason. Apple's actual products are fricking garbage and always have been, sold well only because of public perception of luxury.
It's not a monopoly when you can get the same games elsewhere
Steam is pure convenience but you don't own every game you buy, GOG is the next best thing, because you get offline installers for the games you buy, meaning you truly own the digital media you purchase, just save the installers to external hard drives
Problem with GOG are prices of modern games. I can get a steam cd-key for fraction of the price I'd pay for it elsewhere.
Most humble bundle keys are also steam keys.
No "She"'s not. Steam doesn't force companies to have their game only on Steam. They can have it on as many websites or launchers as they want. The only stipulation is that they can't discount it on one place and not Steam, as Steam is not simply an advertisement platform. The fact that they are constantly mad about this proves people right, any company that tries to force you onto their platform, is simply greedy and can't stand the thought of having to split the take with Valve. They are welcome to do this, of course, but I am less likely to pick up their games, not because I wouldn't use their launcher, but because I will be more concerned about the quality of their games.
>lose access to something you didnt pay for AND don't use
just login twice a year, moron, or check your email, or stop perpetually putting games in your "backlog" just to leave them rotting
>or money
they said that any account with paid games wouldn't be deleted, readlet. If you don't like the terms for getting free games then don't use the service, it's that simple, just pirate it or something
>Game is free to keep! >except for when we decide to take it back
How is this defensible and justifiable behavior?
9 months ago
Anonymous
how is it not? why do you care about the game you don't play in the service you don't login into and where you didn't spend a penny? Are you also unable to take out trash from your home because you "might use it some day"?
9 months ago
Anonymous
But I do play the game.
Just not with your DRM.
9 months ago
Anonymous
then you're literally losing nothing, you think the program you aren't using will somehow delete the game from your computer?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>then you're literally losing nothing
Yes, that's why I don't use your drm where I could have my games arbitrarily taken away at any time.
9 months ago
Anonymous
then why are you b***hing about the loss of games you aren't going to lose because you cracked the games?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just explaining to you why I don't use your drm. YOU are the one sitting there b***hing that I'm getting my free games off the pirate bay instead of your drm.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It was given to me. I took the time to add it to my account. I should reserve the right to play it or not play it. It's MINE.
How fricked up would it be if a GameStop employee went to your house and repo'd your Xbox 360 discs simply because you haven't played them in a while?
9 months ago
Anonymous
that'd imply a privacy invasion, and that something you paid for was taken, it's a completely different scenario that makes zero sense. If you don't want to follow their terms, then don't take the game, it's that simple.
I'm just explaining to you why I don't use your drm. YOU are the one sitting there b***hing that I'm getting my free games off the pirate bay instead of your drm.
>YOU are the one sitting there b***hing that I'm getting my free games off the pirate bay
I literally told people to pirate, moron
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I literally told people to pirate, moron
while defending drm taking your games away
christ you're transparent
9 months ago
Anonymous
>defending drm
Black person what? the ones that want drm are the ones b***hing about account deletion. What do you think the account is for? it's for the drm you turbo moron. I defend their right to put terms for their service, specially if it's something you aren't paying for, and I defend (you)r right to use the service or not.
>If you don't want to follow their terms, then don't take the game, it's that simple.
Their terms are Black persony. That's the whole point of the problem.
Everyone knows that's their fricking terms. The problem is that those terms are immoral.
israelite.
Same premise, you pay them for access to things they own. Except you pay a frickload more to valve.
If you don't want to follow the terms and login from time to time just literally don't use it, pirate the game if you actually wanted to play the game instead of being a choosig beggar.
9 months ago
Anonymous
exactly, you defend dogshit terms
9 months ago
Anonymous
their freebies their terms, I don't even have an ubisoft account because ubisoft connect is dogshit
>you can't criticize a product if you don't use it
classic twitter argument
do you also go to twitter to complain that the girls in that game you were totally-going-to-buy is extremely toxic and misogynistic? Complaints from non-users are the most worthless form of feedback you can get
9 months ago
Anonymous
why the frick would I go to twitter? you gonna tell me I can't criticize that either because I don't use it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
that was a rhetorical question, I'm saying those coplaining about things they wouldn't use are seldom worth lsitening to, and it's the reason why games get censored, because c**ts who weren't going to play game x either way go to complain about how bad it is.
The
problem
is
that
the
terms
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immoral
>"log into the service twcie a year" is immoral >the same service you would have to log into in order to actually play the game
ok, if the terms are immoral, don't get the game and don't use the service?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>"log into the service twcie a year" is immoral
No you triple Black person. Them being able to delete user accounts with games is immoral. homosexual Black person.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Don't take him too seriously, he's just being a weasel to avoid facing the fact that his argument is bad.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm saying those coplaining about things they wouldn't use are seldom worth lsitening to
Maybe I would use it if was a good service with good terms.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>if a product fails miserably you shouldn't listen to anybody who explains what could be improved for them to purchase said product
don't quit your day job my man
9 months ago
Anonymous
Hey, maybe if the terms weren't shit then I'd use the service. Just something to think about, "anon."
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm saying those coplaining about things they wouldn't use are seldom worth lsitening to
Maybe I would use it if was a good service with good terms.
so you were using the service before then? because these terms became news like less than a month ago. I had to use ubisoft connect n a friend's computer and it was an all around unpleasant experience, they'd have to fix the launcher for me to even consider the service and I doubt they'll ever fix it
>"log into the service twcie a year" is immoral
No you triple Black person. Them being able to delete user accounts with games is immoral. homosexual Black person.
we're taking about the same thing, the account doesn't get deleted if you ever gave them a cent, or if you log in from time to time
>if a product fails miserably you shouldn't listen to anybody who explains what could be improved for them to purchase said product
don't quit your day job my man
>I'm not going to buy this game but it's problematic, it needs to be censored or it won't sell because it's disgusting
yeah great idea to take advice from people who weren't going to be custoemrs either way. Every c**t in this planet has anopinion doesn't mean you have to listen to everyone, much les someone with zero investment in what you do.
If this comes to bite ubisoft's ass then good, they'll have to improve their service, or they'll have to desist on making their own launcher which would be even better
9 months ago
Anonymous
>problematic, it needs to be censored
That's funny, I don't remember saying any of that. You really are a disingenuous weasel.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm saying the opinion of someone with no investment in a thing is completely worthless, much like feminists about videogames because they don't give a frick about the game and they weren't going to buy it anyway.
>the account doesn't get deleted if you ever gave them a cent, or if you log in from time to time
The accounts shouldn't be deleted in the first place! Is this all starting to make sense now?
then don't create it
name five games that bombed specifically because they were "problematic"
that's what they say, it's not what I advocate, reread my post
Yeah I have Siege
then your account won't be deleted ever
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm saying the opinion of someone with no investment in a thing is completely worthless
yeah because you're fricking stupid
9 months ago
Anonymous
>then your account won't be deleted ever
okay? how does that make it right that accounts with only free games should get deleted?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm saying the opinion of someone with no investment in a thing is completely worthless
Funny, seemed like those opinions were worth a lot to Capcom when they saw the extremely poor sales of DmC:DmC and later went on to correct course with DMC5.
Like I said, don't quit your day job.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>fans of the franchise not buying a game is the same as someone who would never buy an ubisoft game
let's be honest here, if you never bought an ubisoft game you aren't going to start now, it's not like their games are getting any better, it's been downhill for years and will continue to be.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>someone who would never
Who said? Who said everyone who doesn't use Ubisoft's drm would never buy one of their games?
9 months ago
Anonymous
even if they didn't delete accounts you'd have to use their fricking drm, you're proving my point that you wouldn't buy their games even if they didn't delete accounts because their drm would still exist because that's a copletely separate issue
9 months ago
Anonymous
Woah hold on now, I never said I woud never buy their games. You're putting words in my mouth.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>then don't create it
9 months ago
Anonymous
>that's what they say
Yeah, and you're saying that if a product fails miserably you shouldn't listen to anybody who explains what could be improved for them to purchase said product. You're arguing that taking criticism from non-buyers means taking criticism specifically from people that think the product is problematic. But what product bombed because it was "problematic?"
9 months ago
Anonymous
read
>fans of the franchise not buying a game is the same as someone who would never buy an ubisoft game
let's be honest here, if you never bought an ubisoft game you aren't going to start now, it's not like their games are getting any better, it's been downhill for years and will continue to be.
if you never bought an ubisoft game you weren't going to start now. and "there are terms to keeping the games I didn't pay for" is very far in the list of issues Ubisoft has. It's like watching a house burn and saying how terrible it is that the doormat is dirty
9 months ago
Anonymous
>if you never bought an ubisoft game you weren't going to start now
Ah I see, so this is one of those "actually you were never gonna buy it anyway" things. Speaking for other people. Can't say I'm surprised.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah I'm sure you were finally pull the trigger and buy ass creed valhalla 2! the 2 dozen games they released before were shit but now this one is suddenly good I guess!
Woah hold on now, I never said I woud never buy their games. You're putting words in my mouth.
so you didn't buy games years before this came into place, you're complaining about drm that's a completely separate issue, but yeah you were totally possibly maybe perhaps going to buy a game now that they fell into the routine of making by the number games to the point people call it the ubisoft formula
9 months ago
Anonymous
Hey, speak for yourself my man. I pirated Stranger of Paradise when it was exclusive to EGS but bought it the second it came out on Steam. Sorry pal, I just don't like your service.
Who knows? Maybe Ubisoft will go back to making good games like they used to and I'll buy them. Not on Uplay though, no siree.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Who knows? Maybe Ubisoft will go back to making good games like they used to and I'll buy them.
fat chance >Not on Uplay though, no siree.
again, that's a separate issue from the deleting accounts shit
9 months ago
Anonymous
>that's a separate issue
Not really, no.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>>that's a separate issue >Not really, no.
so your problem with uplay is really that they will delete free accounts if you spend too long without logging? really?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I have Siege
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the account doesn't get deleted if you ever gave them a cent, or if you log in from time to time
The accounts shouldn't be deleted in the first place! Is this all starting to make sense now?
9 months ago
Anonymous
name five games that bombed specifically because they were "problematic"
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you can't criticize a product if you don't use it
classic twitter argument
9 months ago
Anonymous
The
problem
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the
terms
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immoral
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think he can read all that well.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pirate the game
Or just get it from GoG
Are you always a c**t when you're not getting your dick rubbed? Getting so assmad cause people don't want to be ripped off and still control the value of what they buy... Fricking capitalitard offering your ass up to corporations because you're mildly vexed. moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>If you don't want to follow their terms, then don't take the game, it's that simple.
Their terms are Black persony. That's the whole point of the problem.
Everyone knows that's their fricking terms. The problem is that those terms are immoral.
israelite.
9 months ago
Anonymous
ah okay so if you receive something for free than whoever you received it from has the right to steal it back at any time
I can't remember the last time I bought a game through Steam. Steam gives me a console-like UI I can use to interact with even my non-steam games and gives me the best of both worlds: the power of PC gaming with the comfort of console gaming. When the Epic games launcher can do that maybe I'll try it. I guess they're still working on adding a friends list before they can get to that.
Steam isn't really a monopoly it has multiple competitors. Also steam as a service isn't necessary for developers or users, there is nothing stopping developers from setting up their own sites and working with any number of payment processors to cut steam out entirely except for the fact that steam is actually worth the cut they take. The fact is devs desperately want the discoverability and reliability Steam offers then piss and shit themselves when they actually have to contribute to the framework that actually allows it to happen.
Having a preferred brand among the competition doesn't imply you support that brand maintaining a monopoly. If the competition sucks, the competition sucks.
>steam is a monopoly.
It's not. Steam isn't stamping out other stores with underhanded tactics. They provide a better service than the others. Every industry eventually gets reduced to 2~3 top choices with some niches here and there. You even have a perfect example of this with politics where's it's a 2-party system and then you've got the few independents here and there. At best, it's a monopolopy of convenience.
Make a launcher that isn't bloated garbage full of ads that funnels my data to the Chinese Communist Party and I'll use it today.
It's only a "monopoly" if Gaben buys out all the other good launchers and absorbs them into Steam and you have no choice. Steam is just WORLDS apart from the shit, horrible launchers made by terrible companies that don't respect you. There are plenty of choices in launchers, most of them are just so fricking lousy I wouldn't use them if they gave me $1 every time I loaded them up, it's that bad.
The Steam Deck is such an unbelievable value, even if there was a competing "good" launcher I still wouldn't use it out of loyalty.
>I shouldnt have to instal shary third party software to launch one game that already has a launcher >I am somehow a screaming infant for wanting this
ok
I think the model steam created is inherently problematic because it ties all your shit to a specific platform in a way that leaves people basically yearning for a monopoly because people understandably don't want their PC libraries to be fragmented between different launcher apps
the convenience is great but the cost of that convenience is giving one company way too much control over the PC games market
gog launcher can launch your steam games, and if you have shortcuts in your desktop for your installed games then it doesn't matter where they are launching from.
I think that microsoft being in the dominant position in the desktop market while holding patents for video codecs you can't use outside their platform (which affects games) while having proprietary graphics api that you can't use outside their platform (which affects games) is way more problematic.
how do they manipulate the gaming market? outside of removing a game or two from purchase, so far valves been fine with just sitting back, doing frick all besides maintaining a basic infrastructure and letting the moolah roll in. hell, the steam drm is optional, and i bet valve would be happy to not have to maintain it and drop support, its just publishers checking the box thinking it makes a difference.
the only thing you could maybe argue is the purchase of the firewatch dev team as you are potentially deprieving your competitors from their games but.... it's the firewatch dev team lmao
im sure they do stuff behind the scenes, but they just do hardly any nefarious stuff. if they were owned by EGS, whose owned by some chinese company they would be rolling out subscription requirements for accounts tomorrow. being privately owned means they dont have to screw customers over with the obligation to make more profit. gabe can just sit his fat ass back and make embarrassing interviews where he talks about what his favorite mlp pony is completely unprompted, and buy submarines and shit.
>HARDLY ANY NEFARIOUS STUFF
Just charge you full price for something you're under the impression you're buying it when in truth you aren't.
They take no responsibility for whatever dross they distribute and offer zero guarantees if they frick up your stuff. In fact to use their service they demand you indemnify them even if you can prove they frick up your stuff. You can't even take them to court, only arbitration they control.
Just fricking bend over and take it I guess.
And you consoomer homosexuals just happy to bend over and take it cause you're incapable of any foresight.
>she
I cant tell from here that's a demon
fpbp
wtf. I never even thought of that. Troons really are just demons.
Blown out by the first post, good job anon
that person is not FRICKING REAL
If you use Steam, you're a moron who supports monopolies.
>steam, egs, uplay,, ea app, gog, literally everything else
>steam is a monopoly
You are an actual moron. sage
literally no one buys games other than exclusives on those other platforms so yes, steam still has a monopoly
>a monopoly is when everyone else makes a worse service and most people prefer to use the better one
>implying you can buy same games in uplay, gog, uplay
No u. Egs is one and only alternative to steam.
Steam is so consumer friendly it’s basically a public utility.
The sole reason Steam is not shit its because Valve has remained not publicly traded.
Steam is not a monopoly on anything but mindshare, which is only the case because every other launcher is lacking it's features.
ANY company could bring their launcher up to parity with Steam by including a few of the more important features, (Useful friend lists, an in-game UI that's not utter shite, mod support, and good ways for people to communicate/community features like reviews, dev notes, patch notes, etc) but all of those companies just half-ass it.
Very rarely a developer studios will make a game launcher capable of competing with Steam, but they almost never expand their catalogue to include more than 2-3 games and never are they as good as the first.
As a rule, I think that game publishers should just go away. Big studios can be funded internally and small studios are better off on Steam Greenlight or doing a fundraising campaign.
But anon, letting people write forum posts and adding a thumbs up feature requires frick loads of programmers, Epic can't afford to hire all those people, there are just too many features that steam has had DECADES to build up its monopoly. The government needs to step in.
Publishers exist because it offloads risk to a larger entity and functions as an investment group
That business model will never go away for large projects like movies or games
Too bad almost every "large" product in the history of video games has sucked massive donkey nuts. Go look at any Top 100 or anon 9x9s or pick your own favorite set of games and I nearly guarantee you that it's mostly going to be self-published or first party titles.
frick steam
Anon, be honest here. Do you honest to god believe that any company would sell their goods for the exact same price everywhere in the world?
Steam games are services, not products.
Right, and how much would you pay for a handjob in your city, compared to Thailand?
I don't know. Just frick gaben and his overpaid services.
As Gaben said ages ago, it's a service issue. All of these other services fricking suck ass, you neanderthal halfwit that escaped your mother's cum ridden butthole and dripped into her roast beef lipped snatch.
You know why no one uses Epic? It fricking sucks. It's the Fortnite Launcher, and nothing else. It has no features, it didn't even have a fricking CART, for YEARS.
You know why no one used any EA, Ubisoft, etc, shit? It was practically malware, in name and in spirit. Oh, and now Ubisoft will just be taking your games away if you don't log in often enough, tee hee! How great for consumers! Isn't this choice wonderful?
The only even half decent other shop is fricking GOG, and they've got the same issues all the rest have, skimped on the fricking features and ease of use. Shit, Steam even has porn games on it these days, so you don't even need any of those 1000000 sketchy ass porn game stores with fricking machine translation quality storefronts, either.
>The only even half decent other shop is fricking GOG
The only good thing about GoG is that it releases games DRM-Free, in which case theres no reason for me to buy the game when a pirate gets the exact same experience for free.
GoG Galaxy is DRM and no different to steam, but saying that causes GoG shills to detonate.
GOG also does the old games way better, their emulation is much more stable and accurate than what Steam uses.
>drm free
no, gog sells stuff with drm. sure, most of its drm free, but gog itself is not a drm free service. its the same as steam but with different ratios, you can buy drm free games on steam just like gog, the only difference is what percentage of games are/are not drm free.
fundamentally the same. if you do not support companies who use drm, you cannot support GoG. hilariously, people choose this hill to die on, that GoG is indeed drm, and dismiss the examples given as "well its just a little/its just one thing/it doesnt matter" before just resorting to insults and dismissing it entirely, passively aggressively conceding defeat.
>GoG is that it releases games DRM-Free
Unless you want to play them online, then you have to download their DRM storefront.
>he doesn't play his porn games raw from dlsite
>and now Ubisoft will just be taking your games away if you don't log in often enough
wait, wtf?
Yep. They'll just nuke your account if you don't log in. Don't you just love all of this freedom of choice?
they also specifically said that was only the case if you had never spent any money on the account, so 99% of people aren't at risk there.
Origin sucks, Uplay sucks, EGS sucks. The only decent one is GOG but it doesn't have many AAA games
It doesn't have many AAA games because publishers don't bother with it, because Steam has 99% market share, because it's a monopoly
Steam maintains your games, your servers, keeps your games updated and if you want, gives them access to the workshop so people can mod it easily.
There's a good reason it's the most used by both customers and developers and even after all of that, It's still not a monopoly. They don't control the prices, even on sales, they still need approval from the devs. They also don't control supply or trade since it's a digital good and it's always available. The only reason it wouldn't be if it's the dev decided to pull the game from the store for any reason, again, not under control of steam.
i’m a moron I support daddy gaben with my hard earned money
I'm won't settle for an inferior service because monopolies bad
it's not my job to regulate markets, I'll keep seeking the most value for the lowest price because that's where my interest lies
also egs are the ones actively seeking monopolies over the distribution of specific games to spare them the need to provide a competitive service
If there was a better service available then I would use it. I WILL NOT be shamed into quitting steam you homosexual. Does this kind of marketing work for you in China?
Frick off, Tim
Yeah but Valve is a good company
Steam is a 'monopoly' because their competitors suck balls. If Epic wasn't Chinese spyware and if it had features up to parity maybe they wouldn't have such dominance over the market
Offer me a service as good as steam then
you were offered that many years ago, when steam was also a pile of shit, yet you kept eating that one to the exclusion of the others. stop pretending you care about quality.
>When steam was a pile of shit
all services back then were also a pile of shit, but somehow even worse
Make a better launcher instead of just being fricking annoying. Rockstar Ubisoft EA I rest my case. No one shits on gog or heroic launcher cause they aren't fricking shit
I can play my games through steam on linux with steam proton. Can all the other digital distribution platforms step up their development already? Especially epic, who is flush with cash from Fortnite and the Unreal engine, yet they chose to give away games instead of improving their epic platform.
>twitter screencap
have a nice day now
this
frick you and go back
if mods cared about the quality of this site they would make this a ban-able offense. but they don't so we get idiots like OP who get 500+ replies ez
a Nintendo thread died for this
the Nintendo thread died to the 20 threads of homosexuals waging their culture war over BG3
Mods should've made more Bare Necessities threads laughing at the Black folk trying to be moral crusaders over the bear sex
homosexual shills should get strung up along with their israeli masters.
Deleting twitter threads would decrease user engagement, which would decrease ad revenue.
The problem with Ganker is that the mods don't care. They've given up trying to moderate this place and the only posts they actually ban people for are the ones obviously rules-breaking at a glance. They don't even use the board enough to see the most obvious shitposting patterns. The only thing that could fix Ganker even temporarily is a massive purge. I'm talking blocking entire fricking countries, blocking phoneposting, and blocking a few choice ISPs for months on end. But that requires a lot of effort and continuous moderation so Hrioshima and his discord circlejerk won't bother trying it.
Uh? What's "Twitter"?
Ummm sweety? Twitter’s corporate pronouns are X and X-ing now.
Don’t be bigoted.
X
It's been like 7 years these jokes are getting really stale
looks like a gaped pussy
Seethe
dilate you troony filth
Rope
I like steam since it's a private company owned by gabe
I trust gabe
Where’s the punchline?
Ganker IN SHAMBLES
I don't give a shit either way I just want all my games in one place
>GABEN IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GAMES AWAY
then I switch full time to pirating, it's no big deal.
>Store exclusivity is good when le underdog does it
if you want to make a statement so bad just pirate.
soda is actually a bigger issue than a burger.
this
soda is the liquid israelite
Yeah, the guy from "supersize me" basically was drinking over a gallon of soda a day and blaming his weight gain on chicken nuggets (which was rude of him to do!)
He was also drinking a lot of alcohol.
Burger really isnt bad for you. Mcslopers just has a ridiculous amount of sugar in the bread. If you were autstic enough, you could get whole wheat buns and just swap them when you order. Its the potatoes, soda, and the bread that makes you a fat frick
Potatoes are also fine, it's oil.
You're not wasting away. Stop eating grains.
This. A QPC has a good amount of protein (30g) and is 550 calories. There are better foods sure, but it's filling and tastes good.
the sauce is also full of sugar
replace it with some homemade mayo (and don't put too much of it), and burger is super healthy and balanced
No reason to use sauce at all
This is why you're balding. Your fear of sugar and love of fat. asiatics used to be fullheads because of their affinity towards sugar/carbs in the form of rice.
>plastic borger
>plastic borger (disassembled)
What's a launcher?
I only play schizo RPGs made by the napes
You have to be over 18 to post here
Crazy how even in that tiny little 10x10 thumbnail, I can tell that's a man
It's biological. It's fricking primal. You can simply always tell
>Epic exclusive? Well that sucks. I wanted workshop support, forums, and cloud saves so I can easily download and play on my PC and steam deck. Now it's just annoyin-
>UHHHHH SWEATY DONT YOU KNOW THATS FEATURES ONLY A MONOPOLY WOULD HAVE????? WAAAAH LOOK AT STEAM FAN OVER HERE CRYING ABOUT AN INCONVENIENCE
Suck my dick. I pay for the convenience. If you're going to make me manually add my game to steam so I can play it via big picture mode then im going to pirate it since I'll be doing the same shit but for free.
>Workshop support
Only if the game developer explicitly enables it
>Forums
Don't lie these things are fricking useless
>Cloud saves so I can play on my deck
You are less than 0.01% of the userbase even on Steam.
still better than the alternative
>Don't lie these things are fricking useless
Lmao. Did you forget the utter humiliation that of Epic when their users had to come to the Steam forums to get advice and support?
No because I have not once in the history of ever playing any games used the forums for support. In the few cases I did have an issue the forums did not help because it was clogged with Ganker-tier non-threads.
>cant even figure out a forum
fricking zoomers holy shit
>Y-You just got filtered!
No this shit is literally useless because it's the same as navigating Ganker where the entire thing is clogged with non-threads and directly searching for your issue will, optimistically, yield a thread with 0 replies.
>i dont know how to search
>but i didnt get filtered
okay buddy sure thing
>N-No! The forums aren't worthless garbage full of people posting Ganker-tier bait threads, especially now! Just search better!
Never change, Ganker
ah, shit, he hit me with a reddit tier post, guess i better give up. like you did. searching the forums
It's cute how technologically inept people can (still) be
PC games shouldn't have launchers in the first place. Sadly I have to tolerate Steam.
I mean launchers had a place in the past because you can't account for every PC configuration so it allowed you to change graphics and shit before the game started so you don't lock yourself out if you turned on something your PC couldn't handle
kys troon
he cute
Kind of cute actually
>epic shills are actual trannies
>troony is balding more than I am
oof
A lot of hair products do more damage to your hair than good.
Tieing your hair back to tightly also destroys your hairline.
more like Tragedy
guys.... he is kind of cute for a troon... tfw no mentally unstable gf
>The T in STEAM stands for Trans
Ftfy
Silly
Trans
Eat
A
Melon
Still,
Thats
Empirically
A
Man
DAMMIT CARLOS
Fricking white men
gay
better looking than 90% of biological women
>90% of biological women
holy shit I didn't think troons actually posted here
go touch some fricking grass, sir
touch grass
>Don't go out with me if you get cold easily
most of these would be alright if they weren't so fricking fat. Like goddamn can we please do something to fight obesity
No, we're embracing body positivity instead.
I don't know why, but we are.
>single women on some random dating app are fat and ugly
>several of those are just very obviously just men anyway
Damn, it's almost as if the majority the attractive and not-psycho women out there don't need to be on a dating app.
trannies hate the term "biological X" tho
>The T in STEM stands for trans
Kino! Vive la trans!
wow another troon golem simping for corporations
>that hair
what the frick
Rare case where a troon actually has a feminine looking face
Too bad below the neck is probably still an ugly male fridge body
>all Epic shills are mentally ill
What are the odds?
steams reach is gonna be fine until gabe dies and his son fricks up everything
I hope it's at least a Tolkien situation where the son is respectful to the father's wishes before the ~~*estate*~~ gets any control. At least by then I'll be dead.
Yea cause the others suck. Just let me buy games directly from devs sites again instead of making me download all these launchers
Please give me a SINGLE reason why I should install another launcher, and one that doesn't have half the features Steam has
Stop supporting monopolies? You are promoting a right winger' wet dream.
>muh monopoly
Kys troon
>Product so good that you don't even need to resort to shady tactics to bring competitors down like MS
>Muh monopoly
The free market at work. You don't like it? make a better product.
good morning sirs
Misread that as Mongolians
>Twitter
Its X now, you XERF
>posting a shitty tranime edit of a much more sovlfvll reaction image
Please consider suicide
>waaahhhhh anime
Tourist moment
I don't give a shit if it was originally from some gay anime. There are some good animes like pic related (also a good reaction image) but you only post troony-tier shit. Been here longer than you, zoomer.
Best girl too, based taste anon. Different anon btw
I honestly don't know what the frick is going on, are we the good goys?
>animes
Well maybe if the other launchers weren't fricking shit
Why does Anakin make for such good reaction images
Because he's handsome and a good actor, even if his most famous role is dogshit
just use physical media, icon on your desktop/start menu. Your platform does have an active and flourishing physical media market, right?
Does literally any platform have proper physical media now that games are 100+ GB? I thought console disks still made you download most of the data.
>I thought console disks still made you download most of the data.
They do not. What does this have to do with not being able to buy physical games?
Yes they do lol
>twitter filename
>CoD
>doesn't understand the difference between installing and downloading
>d-doesn't count because reasons
It doesn't count because you're a moron who doesn't understand the difference between installing something and downloading it. Most zoomers are like this, just completely inept when it comes to understanding tech unless it's an iPhone.
Of course not, it's just glorified demos that require 500GB of updates to even run and additional purchases with downloads varying in size, but """"physical""""gays will insist it's they who own games, not you who has a DRM-free copy of the fully updated, fully DLC'd game.
Physical "copies" still have the advantage of being transferable licences, as opposed to being locked to the original purchaser's account.
Physical copies mean jackshit in today's marketplace where launching a game unoptimized and with constant updates is the norm. As for retro, I'm not paying anyone for ancient plastic when I can play it natively with a few hours worth o work. Nice trips, however.
My hard drive is quite physical anon. It's not the 00's anymore.
Surely you pirate, not rent your games, right?
Why yes I have about 50 games ready to play on my physical 4TB SSD. That's not including my emulations too. 🙂
Totally agree. The only other laucher I will use is Gog for their older games. Frick EGS Timmy has been saying PC gaming is dead for the last 10 years and now he wants a piece of the pie.
Pretty much this. Epic had their chance and even had Steam to look to for reference on what a good launcher should be. Literally Steam and GOG are the only two I know that are decent launchers.
I hate bloatware more than I hate monopolies
My c: drive is constantly in the red and freeing space when needed is a fricking chore since so much of it is actual useful/important suff, so excuse me for NOT wanting your steam copycat that'll eat 2gbs for absolutely no reason
For me disk space isn't that much of an issue (aside from shitty new games that take several fricking hundred gigabytes for no good reason) but I am fricking tired of Electron shit like nu-Steam eating upwards of 1 gigabyte of memory just to render some stupid fricking effects and animations that I don't like, don't want to see and don't even fricking need because all I need the launcher to do is display a list of my games and let me launch them.
>that take several fricking hundred gigabytes for no good reason
Uncompressed audio in like 10 fricking languages is the reason. Games ship with all of this dumb shit on them, like anyone in the US is speaking fricking EU languages or fricking Outer Mongolian or some shit.
Fricking RE8 which looks and sounds better than 99% of games on the market was like 25g's. Fricking Diablo 4 which looks like ass was over 80.
The irony of this complaint in this thread is that when releasing a game on Steam, you can separate your game files by various criteria like language, and only the necessary ones will be downloaded. But no developer seems to take advantage of this.
They don't do that because it would take precious time and that's 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000th of 0.000000000002 cents they're saving by not doing that and some mongoloid in marketing told them games taking up more space means it also takes up more mindspace because you're thinking "Oh wow what big number big number GOOD".
I'd open the other launcher if they weren't absolute ass with no redeeming features and above all else worked fast.
You’re obviously just parroting the steamshill company line and haven’t used Epic for years because the launcher has gotten a lot quicker and added a lot more features. You people are worse than boomers with your silly brand loyalty and ‘change bad’ attitude.
keep the cope coming, streetshitter
What features has it added, anon
>epic is being shilled by: chinks, streetshitters, israelites like that former valve employee, troons
yup, enough reasons to not touch epic chink botnet, enough reasons to stick to steam and gog
And Indians
He already said streetshitters
>she
>Steam
>Game launches immediately
>Literally any other launcher
>Has to open up seven different apps after clicking on the app
>Oops, looks like there's a sale, opening up the main store now
>You want to hear the newest deals on games you've never heard about?
>
>Steam
>Launch game for the first time
>Steam decides it's going to install DirectX for the millionth time
I haven't had this happen in a long time.
Normal steam doesn't anymore. But Steam Deck is certainly an experience with the constant shader cache shit...
That's a straight up value add. The only reason regular desktop Steam doesn't do that is because of diverse hardware and software. Every Deck is the same, so it's possible to distribute precompiled shaders/pipelines ahead of time.
that's the game, Steam jsut makes sure you have the latest updated libraries for it of you're gonna have problems
A weird thing to b***h about
This was indeed very annoying but 100% the fault of the games, and doesn’t happen anymore in steam. This still happens with non-steam setup processes, even non-launcher setups, so it’s not a steam issue.
I haven't seen this in years, but even back when it was common that was the game, not Gaben. Gaben doesn't get enough Diet Coke money from MS to shill DX.
How do I disable that ad popup on steam?
Why are there so many trannies these days? I know they are like .01% of the world population but they seem to make up 50% of the Internet population.
At least have the decency to not make multiple of the same shitty threads at the same time
Because you're in Ganker where they are magnified x100, everyone is called a troony, trannies constantly posted, getting a thread with 100 replies where trannies don't get brought up seems borderline impossible anymore
You purposefully browsing a website that is obsessed with trannies to a degree any psychologist would consider pathological.
Maybe that's why
my brother in christ you are visiting the website where "troony" is one of the most reused words in the site's entire history, you are not seeing them everywhere, you are seeing people who believe they are everywhere
If they didn't try to raid Ganker, if they didn't use a public discord to organize in, if they didn't get fricking caught, then maybe the word 'troony' wouldn't have caught on as a slur so quickly.
Case in point
It keeps happening.
damn, he's been spamming for years and I still hate Black folk, what a loser
You first
nice to see that jonah evolved from these moronic operations to swatting, unfortunately he's still probably doing his damndest to push lambright to suicide
Don't believe those other gaslighting anons, you see a lot of trannies on the Internet because they are all terminally online.
HRT is the crack epidemic of the gamer population
Because trannies are all extremely vocal online
either i use steam or pirate
i dont bother with epic games store because they don't give away the games that i like
we used to not need launchers at all. you just simply had games on your pc and that was the end of it. i tolerate steam because it was just one to deal with and it was decently designed. i'm not interested in having 20 different barriers between each of my games that all require a login and a email verification because it's been months since the last login and then an update, and then a relaunch because of the update, etc, etc..
Monopolies are good for the consumer. You've just been psyoped into thinking they're bad but other businesses who demand a slice of the pie they were too customer unfriendly enough to get themselves. Seethe. Cope. Dilate.
actual commie, right here
Duality of politicized morons
think about who created communism and who runs america for a second
real American moment there lmao
No they're not. If one thing becomes the only platform then the consumer is at the whims of the service provider and they can just tank their quality and rack up their prices with you having no place to resort.
The thing is that PC will never truly have a monopoly because every platform has to compete with the best and worst platform of all: Piracy.
>monoploies are good
not really ive been yearning for a real gamign handheld for years and the only first party option is the swiitch and i hate that cuz of the active cooling and large size, i stick to older devices cuz i literally cannot move on unless i go to a chink handeld that is too weak to play anything on the pc angle.
monopolies just remove options and i hate that
A monopoly can go either way. It's possible for a monopoly to be more pro-consumer than a competitive business, because it doesn't have to compete with anti-consumer businesses that will tend to be more profitable. In the majority of cases, that doesn't happen, of course.
But Steam isn't a monopoly. It's just by far the most successful entry in the PC game storefront market. It's more to do with Steam being a private company that isn't beholden to shareholders, with Gaben as a benevolent dictator.
>Benevolent dictator
Pioneered the popularity of lootboxes and the FOMO battle pass in western titles before Epic did.
I would agree that lootboxes and battle passes are unethical, but not really anti-consumer. You can just not buy them.
He didn't say he was perfect.
Not to mention Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>18 years of service
>212 games
>Monopolies are good for the consumer.
Yeah, if I barely use said product or service, I wouldn't give a shit about monopolies either.
>homiez out there buying more than a new game every month
At a certain point you have to admit you have a problem
I'm sorry, I forgot I was on Ganker and nobody plays videogames around here, my bad.
that image makes me sad dude
>Monopolies are good for the consumer
Only state monopoly
Competition between companies is good for the consumer. Monopolies imply a lack of competition. When there is a lack of competition, there is no incentive to appeal to the consumer, and an assumption of "they will continue using our product because there is no viable alternative".
I'm sure giving Tencent more money will completely help balance the market.
Tencent is worth like 4 times Sony I know your post was in jest, just bringing some context
Steam just does it the best.
Proton (since I'm a Linux gamer)
Steam Cloud
Steam Controller Input
People support it because they're the only ones suppoting linux properly which gets us out from under a true monopoly.
>no one is refuting the claim
>everyone is just b***hing about trannies
Not really proving them wrong ya know.
The argument is invalid, there's nothing to discuss. There are plenty of options and steam doesn't use its position to keep others from being competitive, not a monopoly
Arguments with no substance that are this ridiculous are not worth engaging with. They are not valid arguments and so do not deserve valid counterarguments.
No one's ever been able to explain why it's a monopoly. It's easy to win if no one else tries.
But aren't the people who dislike Steam the ones who cry about it being a monopoly?
>"Hey, you wanna add a non-Steam game?"
>"I'll even add controller support"
>"We got everything. Control configs, dead zones, you name it."
>"Even got Nintendo button layouts as a toggle just in case you're used to that layout."
>"What'll it cost? Nothing."
We got the benevolent dictator thing going. Frick competition. Long live king Gaben.
how fast do you think it will go down the tubes when he dies? a year? 2?
Keep buying steam decks. We gotta fund his life support or else it'll go down the shitter in a month.
I'd say five. Gabe's smart enough to make sure whoever comes after him isn't a complete failure. I'm guessing it'll take about four or five years for the post to wear the new guy down, and when he passes the baton or retires, the third generation boss won't hesitate to shit all over everything.
Depends on who he leaves in charge
a berg, or a stein most likely. just happens all the time, always a coinky dink.
too big and convenient to fail at this point, look at all the non stop failures from disney and it's still going like nothing happened.
disney is looking to sell everything my man. they're literally in free fall.
I'm not holding my breath, but I hope you're right, cause they always seem to find a way to get out of whatever disaster they get themselves into.
What warped reality are you living in, moron? You slide in here out of /misc/ or some shit thinking Ronnie D is somehow sticking it to the "muh libruhl" Disney? The same Disney that funds every R campaign lmao
Take your meds.
he won't die in your lifetime, shitskin
How'd you figure that?
Epic shills on their way to call steam a monopoly while completely ignoring all the monopolistic practices epic does
>this is what the averager epictroon looks like
half the games I play now are from GOG though?
>a game launcher
a what?
Thank you, internet, for training me to instantly recognize mutilated abominations.
/thread
TOP KEK
haven't laughed this hard in a while.
I don't mind using Itch.io, it's just i hate using epig store
Steam isn't a monopoly. It's literally the free market working. consumers choose steam because all the other competitors are fricking shit.
If Steam is a monopoly, then Microsoft is also a monopoly since an overwhelming majority of the world prefers windows to any other OS.
Microsoft is a monopoly, what most people don't understand is that monopoly by itself isn't bad, malicious monopoly is, fricking over your competition/consumers with underhanded shit is why monopolies are fined for billions dollars or even get balkanized. Steam does nothing that would get them in trouble even if they reach the market share to get the status of monopoly, same with GoG, Epic on the other hand as monopoly would get sued into oblivion day1.
Incidentally Microsoft did go out of its way to frick with the competition to gain their monopoly
This. If you want Steam to not be a "monopoly", then Uplay, Origin, and Epic should just be less fricking garbage at literally everything.
But I don't hate monopolies, I love capitalism, it's the only system that works because it's completely adapted to our darwinistic programming.
darwin worshipers when confronted with symbiosis and teamwork in species:
That's another form of darwinism, adapting to survive.
you think they do that to be happy nice friends lmao?
Depends on the species. Wolves ravens and crows sure seem to genuinely enjoy each other.
How did this seem like a gotcha in your head?
What's your point? Do you think these other launchers are doing anything better than steam at all? in the fricking slightest? EGS is just paying devs with chink money to NOT deliver their game to 90% of their playerbase most of the time. And then a year later, they do it and the game gets the attention it deserves. They're not some hero working for the consumer, that's steam, moron.
I have no problems with GoG.
GoG is great, cheap drm-free games and for the most part a no-frills launcher. I've bought several games there. Wish their patching wasn't so shit though, I had to re-download Cyberpunk in it's entirety to apply a 4gb patch once for no reason.
GoG is fine. Epic is bullshit, and I will never create an account with them no matter what games they give away.
Is it a monopoly when every "competitor" is absolute garbage and keep doing their best to sabotage themselves?
YWNBAW
Yeah, Steam rocks
>one-click mod support
>dlc management
>auto updates
>game and server tools support
>cloud saves
>regular sales
>big pic mode
>vr support
>forums and social
>can make money off tards on the market
It's a godsend platform that saved PC gaming, thanks Valve, also
>she
The only launcher I use is the exe inside the game folder, no steam, no egs, no gog.
NO NOT THE gay IN A WIG OPINION NOOOOO!
You such a worthless homosexual op.
I've spent 10+ years building a library and collecting steam cheevos in my games. I'm not giving up or wasting time with other launchers on other accounts just to play 1 game when I already have dozens on Steam already
troony opinion
When did Chud get so jacked?
>game launchers are so normalized simply not having them isn't even a consideration anymore
I am a bit miffed when I gotta open a second launcher to play a game I own.
>You know I wanted to play BG3, Larian. Let me play BG3 immediately. When I come back from taking a piss, I want to be at the title screen of BG3 not at your STUPID FRICKING LAUNCHER
it's easy to see the negatives, but to ignore the positives is pretty silly. if it wasn't for the infrastructure already in place, a lot of dev teams would struggle to get games released and distributed, not to mention the far cheaper cost of advertising. by reducing the overhead costs, you allow smaller teams to exist and create more things with a higher chance of success than they'd have otherwise, if you play and enjoy games that aren't AAA, anything indie or AA or even from small publishers, then it's highly likely that you've benefitted from their existence without knowing it
whether that's worth the negatives though is fair and hey maybe for you they're not, fair enough if so, there's just more to this stuff than launcher bad
look at this homosexual here, bringing actual points of discussion into this thinly veiled bait thread.
There's nothing really preventing us from having both. Why not just have the "launcer" install the game and then not need to open the launcer ever again.
You can release a game on Steam without using Steamworks (not just DRM, but also features like Steam Input, networking etc.) and it will work without having the Steam client open or even installed.
Game launchers were always going to happen on PC to combat piracy. We're just lucky as hell that Valve was the first to get in on it before greedy fricks like EA did. It could have been way worse than it ended up being.
Nah I still pirate games, like kingdom hearts 3. I'm not giving any money to epic for that shit. Epic better give it to me free soon or I uninstall their shitty epic launcher for good.
>Obvious joke is obvious
>morons on the second worst board kn the site take it seriously
Steam is just the best platform for games, and it will continue to be because they are competent and give the consumer what they want.
If people b***h about muh monopoly then they should write morons like Creepy Tim at Epic Games and tell them to make a better service, which of course they won't, but then you actually did something other than being a little b***h about Steam being awesome.
Never saw Boss Baby, so idk what that scene is
what PC user says this? this is something self proclaimed "anarcho socialist" would say as they go to Starbucks, complain about billionaires and order their toiletries from Amazon
Steam is so much better than the competition that I wouldn't give a frick even if it actually was a monopoly. Imagine if Steam just disappeared one day and all its games were distributed to other launchers, would those companies put more effort in to deliver a better experience that what Steam provided? Of course not, they'd deliver the same substandard shit while "competing" with each other by buying exclusivity deals.
if epic was anti-monopoly they wouldn't pay for exclusivity. gamepass day one releases still come out on other platforms on PC.
The only cool thing epic did was making piracy morally justifiable.
What exactly is the benefit of me splitting my library up onto 4 services?
No hypotheticals, either. What am I RIGHT NOW getting from it?
The developers decide the deals and prices, not Epic or Valve, so it's not that.
>install new launcher
>not even half of the features of Steam
>uninstall
I buy from GOG all the time Epic is just objectively worse than both sorry. Also ubishit and ea cancer are horrible too.
One service being massively superior, by virtue of simply being designed and operated better, and being more popular as a result, is not covered by the definition of a "Monopoly."
Learn what words mean.
Technically, if one product is so successful its competitors give up entirely, that does become a monopoly. In such a case, law says the dominant product must be shittified to the point competitors can once again compete with it. Rare case of anti-monopoly legislation being anti-consumer as well. Law's weird like that, and I believe the people writing anti-monopoly laws just assumed every monopoly is achieved by shady means.
>Technically, if one product is so successful its competitors give up entirely, that does become a monopoly. In such a case, law says the dominant product must be shittified to the point competitors can once again compete with it. Rare case of anti-monopoly legislation being anti-consumer as well. Law's weird like that, and I believe the people writing anti-monopoly laws just assumed every monopoly is achieved by shady means.
no idiot. Natural monopolies are perfectly acceptable under the law, the problem comes if the monopoly company uses their power to warp the market outside of that. Steam has done none of that.
Excuse the frick out of me for preferring a game platform that doesn't lag my computer and provide inferior service. Frick Epic.
>I HATE monopolies on principle alone and everyone should go out of their way and use a worse product out of principle alone
>Yes my gaming PC runs Windows and has a Nvidia graphics card, why do you ask?
*deletes your account*
This is canadian bullshit because of their privacy laws. Bunch of frickin leaf morons...
It's also a thing in Europe too you fricking burger
They only delete accounts with no games
it literally says you'll lose access to your games dipshit moron
>BUT GAMERANT SAID SO!
morons taking shitty journalism at face value yet again
An account with no PURCHASES you fricking Black person
If your account has FREEBIES then you will LOSE ACCESS TO THOSE GAMES
You fricking homosexual.
oh no, not the free games you paid nothing for and you aren't playing thus your account getting deleted! this is another shoah
They gave it to me. It's mine.
>Give something
>Take it back
>Another comes out of the wood work to defend this behavior
Ov Vey
Damn I was hoping Ubishit would delete the games for me
so do lefties now like monopolies
Always did. They're corporate lapdogs who take every opportunity to defend cartels.
>l-lefties are corporate lapdogs!
>said the morons propping up every shitty industry with nepotism and free gibs any time a bill has to be passed
Epic & gog have a open source launcher
Chinese thread.
>She's right
No, "she" isn't.
We love GOG you fricking cuck.
>female is unable to understand what centralization of virtual products compared to the possibility of immediate loss if virtual provider goes under
No wonder they are paid 33% less
>you should support mal- and spyware on your PC because
>because just do it OKAY!
troony logic?
Actually, I use playnite.
EGS allows me to use the open source launcher. Steam does not.
implying any foss alternative would be better lmao
>twatter troony screencap thread is still up
yep, it's peak troony janny performance
Platform monopolies are often just convenient as a consumer.
The moment Netflix stopped being relevant was when I started looking at non-paid alternatives. I'm not paying 5 subscriptions while still not getting to watch half the things I want to watch because I'm from EU. Just as I'm not using 10 launchers to play games.
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>monopoly gives me the best deals multiple times a year on an easy to use platform
Steam =/= Carnegie Steel/Standard Oil
>that pic
WTF I love being American now
well to be fair, the pic of yours is basedboys worst nightmare
>"you just have to open another launcher" morons when their PC is inundated with 20 separate overly resource heavy, redundant, auto-updating launchers that only seem to lose functionality with time
Using one is already too many, and Steam counts.
>YOU ALREADY USE ONE CHUD SO JUST ACCEPT 8 BILLION LAUNCHERS
No. Frick you, homosexual.
No you drooling ape I'm saying Steam is already a problem by virtue of being a launcher. The ideal number is zero and just because one is better than ten billion doesn't mean it's fine.
And yet one is better than ten billion, and there's no goddamn way we are or were ever going to get a world without launchers.
That does not mean Steam is good just because they won the moron olympics by offering OoP deep discounts first (which of course dried up instantly once they were the dominant launcher). They are still bloatware that eats 30% of developer revenue in the name of being a "platform".
Steam is shit
Epic is shit
Launchers are shit
You care way too fricking much about this. You, Gaben, your mother, this guy
are all going to be worm food in less than 100 years.
>IMAGINE NOT BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING ETC ETC
No, you dumb Black person. Steam and video games register nowhere on the "cultural or historical importance and relevancy" meter. Video games are fricking toys, and toys are not worth preserving or caring this much about. It's a literal consoomerist hellscape to get involved in emotionally. Shit, dude, I even have the perfect alternative for you. PIRATE THAT SHIT.
>muh Denuvo!
Alright, if you're gonna cry about 0.2% of total games ever released, that's on your sorry goyslop ass. You are about as intellectually and morally sound as the insects I hear chittering outside right now. You have all the solutions, but you instead choose to die on some WEIRD fricking hill instead of admitting that video games are just really fancy toys. You are getting in the way of your own enjoyment.
Still not using your store timmy
>she
Make a decent option to steam
>she
Steam hasn't done anything bad so far though.
>Steam hasn't done anything bad so far though.
+
here are the things steam caused so far:
-got rid of physical media in PC gaming
-standardized DRM in PC gaming
-increased the price of PC games to be the exact same as on consoles (PC games used to cost significantly less because the platform itself was free to release games on. Steam started taking the same cuts consoles do despite it just being a glorified middle man website on windows/pc platform and having none of the massive expenses console need to spend to stay alive)
-it caused Valve to stop developing games and stop fricking trying as it serves as a zero effort cashcow
>inb4 they still develop games
the only fricking games they released in the last 10 years were a flopped card game and a 9 hours long linear VR game. That despite them making 30 times more money than Capcom, a company that just in the last 5 years released 8 successful AAA games.
also even if you believe that valve deserves to have steam as a monopoly because gaben is the fricking messiah (as if he wasn't a typical Kotick tier CEO spending actual 100+ millions on fricking luxury yachts) you should still be aware that it's inevitable that he will sell Valve, and then who the frick knows who will end up with this monopoly and what they will do with it. It's never a good thing to have this much power in one hand even if you are stupid enough to believe that they deserve it
>-got rid of physical media in PC gaming
Not an issue.
>-standardized DRM in PC gaming
Not an issue.
>-increased the price of PC games to be the exact same as on consoles (PC games used to cost significantly less because the platform itself was free to release games on. Steam started taking the same cuts consoles do despite it just being a glorified middle man website on windows/pc platform and having none of the massive expenses console need to spend to stay alive)
They didn't. Don't buy consolesop ports/multiplats.
>-it caused Valve to stop developing games and stop fricking trying as it serves as a zero effort cashcow
Nothing of value was lost, most of their games weren't that amazing anyway.
>Standardized DRM
The frick is this supposed to mean? The majority of games had DRM before steam
>game launcher
NOBODY FRICKING WANTS THESE
STOP PRETENDING THEY'RE USEFUL YOU SHITDICK SLOBBERING FRICKS
>she
my homie thats a man
I don't know who that is.
Steam wouldn't be as big if the competition weren't so niche or shit.
No no, see, Steam is only big because they paid out of their own pocket to have big discounts on games years ago (publishers and developers were forced at gunpoint to go along with them), and there has never been 80-90%+ discounts on games since they achieved dominance.
if other companies want to compete with steam maybe they should hurry the frick up and reach steams standard of quality
it's been fricking decades, they had their chance
market forces mother fricker, users expect quality and they will leave your service to get it elsewhere if you don't provide it
the consumer is right to boss baby scream, frick companies you should have any rights you're not a person
>Companies don't have rights unless it's Valve
You have to be monstrously moronic to pull this out of what I said, like you just are too stupid to live, you're so bad faith, so bias that you brain has rendered into a perfectly round and smooth ball.
I'm not even going to argue with you that post was so terrible, I'm just going to call you names, you're an idiot, you are moronic, you are a moron.
I hate you, I hate people like you, you shouldn't be allowed to post, you are everything wrong with people on the internet, you did it, you became the worst type of person to talk to online, you're not worth talking to, none of your opinions are your own, you are nothing but contrarianism and spite, you are basically not a person, you gave up your humanity to piss off internet strangers, that's your identity now, you are an internet person, you don't belong anywhere and people hate you, this is why you are lonely and sad and angry, you could be better but you wont, you don't even know what's wrong with you.
Meds schizo.
you're doing terribly at proving your own autonomy
I guess
NTA, but saying "bad faith" really makes you look like some screeching R*dditor. For the record, I agree with you, but please don't utter or type that phrase ever again lol
disingenuous israelite, hows that homosexual?
>I hate monopolies
>I don't want unnecessary bloatware
You can pick both.
I don't support steam and I would never use a game launcher shop potential trojan. OP is fricking moronic
t. literal moron zoomie
I sure do hope you aren't browsing the internet right now! That program, err, sorry, "application" :^) might contain some kind of EVIL code that can track your data or Trojan something in!! You don't know shit.
Shut the frick up and stop stretching the definition of a monopoly
There are multiple ways to get a game so it's not a monopoly, that's it
Just because the other options are fricking trash, that's on them and not Steam, frick you
kill all troons
But they still have an option to open those different launchers? Curious!
bruh
I'm still not using EGS you fricking chink sleeper-agents.
i don't understand how steam is so good
can't other companies just throw money at developers and say 'copy steam'?
why the frick do they have such shitty launchers that are slow and buggy, these are storefronts and they run like shit
how can you not just copy what has already been done and successful, do they just not want to put in the money for actual work?
>can't other companies just throw money at developers and say 'copy steam'?
It seems obvious to us, but we live in an age of unprecedented corporatization of entertainment. Every decision any non-indie company makes has to be run past a table full of suit-wearing sociopaths who know nothing about video games, care nothing about video games, and are only there because they want to make green line go up. So if you want to change anything about your product you have to explain to these suited sociopaths how thing make green line go up and if they aren't convinced then they veto the idea and tell you to come up with something else that make green line go up.
I would bet devs have actually pitched the idea of a better storefront before but it gets shot down
>Hey we should improve our storefront
>Ok how will this make us more money
>Well we would need to spend X to get it done and take Y months, but we should be able to pull in Z% new customers a year
>wtf why doesn't this instantly yield 10x our investment? get the frick out of here
It's rapidly going down the shitter because they keep hiring freshly graduated diversity hires to work on their fricking UI.
The old Steam was a very functional and lightweight platform written in a good language. Modern steam is a disgustingly bloated Chromium piece of shit designed and written by 70iq Pajeets. I wish I had the money to send an assassin after every frontend developer at Valve.
I've never really had any problems with 'bloat' or whatever, I hate some of the new UI designs and wish you could change them back, but i also just hate change
Game invites from the friends list dont work anymore. You used to be able to mass invite a bunch of friends at the same time. Now any time you send an invite your whole window closes so you can only invite one person at a time. Wtf are these poojeets doing to my client?
>Offer a better service
>Some titles are still forced through a 3rd party app like Uplay or Origin
>mUhNoPoLy
You Black folk are fricking insufferable
I don't want to use any fricking launcher, I was already sucked into using steam, I don't want to juggle a million different ones
launchers shouldn't exist. Give me physical media and downloadable installers
USE THE EGS LAUNCHER CHUD OR YOU ARE A NAZI
>troony
>posts an ugly infant's gaping hole
every time
>she
People who say a monopoly is good because the current company holding the monopoly is "good" are the most short-sighted idiot moron gorilla Black folk on this fricking planet.
You are infuriatingly moronic, please never speak on these matters ever again because you actually kill the brain cells of better people when you speak up.
>It's an X screencap thread
i cant wait for 10 years from now when people are start oldgayging by going "i was here when x threads were TWITTER"
when did I say i hate monopolies
ok, show me another launcher that isn't a bloatware piece of shit that also makes me download 2 other launchers and that isn't a piece of chinese spyware
spoiler:there are none
I use steam mostly but gog versions are unironically superior in every way unless devs gimp them by design
So guys, we all know that the op pic is wrong (steam is demonstrably NOT a monopoly, and even if you refuse to acknowledge that absolute fact, steam got where it is by providing the best service which is NOT an unfair business practice), so how many of these threads are we going to have to suffer through? The people posting this don't give a frick about the debate either way, they just want attention.
Starfield releases in 4 weeks. Perhaps things will quiet down in 2 weeks albeit briefly.
>morons not understanding what a monopoly is part 4305893095.
Steam doesn't control the supply or trade of anything in the video game industry. It's just a storefront. Is it unfairly more liked than other storefronts on PC? Absolutely, but that doesn't make them a monopoly at all.
I'm an old ass homie at this point and don't want to frick with extra launchers. It literally makes me tired when I have to do extra shit. I just want to press a button and go.
>still up
why do we need jannies if they refuse to do their uncompensated jobs?
>She
>Use steam due to their large catalogue, friend/multiplayer features, workshop, decent storefront, user-friendly UI, etc
>Don't use Epic, GoG, etc because those services don't include the features I like
>"YoU'rE hElPiNg A mOnOpOlY bY nOt SuPpOrTiNg InFeRiOr PrOdUcTs"
You morons truly don't understand what a free market is and why competition is good. Steam offers a lot that other services just do not have. It would be fully moronic to use anything other than steam to make it's competitors improve their services to remain competitive. You dipshits funneling your money into trash services are why innovation doesn't exist anymore. Frick you.
>Disappoint father
>When he was never in the picture
Lol.
I hate humanity.
>monopolies GOOD
>multiple options exist
>people willingly choose the best one
>wtf you can't do that you have to give your money to inferior services or it's not fair
What causes this?
I only use one launcher and it's called the fricking explorer.exe.
Piracy. Always wins.
Where is Commandos
>actual on topic threads get deleted
>this and the other 1034 Baldur's Gate threads are still up
janitors suck my anuas
>Genshit
have a nice day chink
>not using a front-end
couldn't be me
>I hate monopolies
I don't remember saying that.
And Steam made its biggest improvements while in this "monopoly status", before EA Origin, Uplay, EGS or whatthefrickever even existed.
What's even funnier is that Origin and Uplay were so fricking godawful during their entire run that they just straight up changed their names. Origin is now "The EA App" and Uplay is "Ubisoft Connect."
I don't know how they took shit and made it even shittier, but they did it.
Steam and Valve had first mover advantage which makes people more accepting of their shitty business practices, same thing as Apple being able to solder their NAND drives to the mobo and nobody who buys apple gives a shit.
You're chained to American companies. How does that dick feel in your ass
true. The frog was boiled a long time ago (2007).
>Steam and Valve had first mover advantage which makes people more accepting of their shitty business practices, same thing as Apple being able to solder their NAND drives to the mobo and nobody who buys apple gives a shit.
these are not comparable. Apple gets away with those things because the people who buy from them are utter morons, none other reason. Apple's actual products are fricking garbage and always have been, sold well only because of public perception of luxury.
can we just not use launchers in the first place I hate launchers
even if it isn't malware it fricking feels like it
>20 year old service
>alternatives are all bad or too niche
There shouldn't be launchers at all.
The Epic Store UI is really bad
It's not a monopoly when you can get the same games elsewhere
Steam is pure convenience but you don't own every game you buy, GOG is the next best thing, because you get offline installers for the games you buy, meaning you truly own the digital media you purchase, just save the installers to external hard drives
Problem with GOG are prices of modern games. I can get a steam cd-key for fraction of the price I'd pay for it elsewhere.
Most humble bundle keys are also steam keys.
When a better launcher than steam comes along, i'll use it instead.
That's the beauty of free market capitalism.
No "She"'s not. Steam doesn't force companies to have their game only on Steam. They can have it on as many websites or launchers as they want. The only stipulation is that they can't discount it on one place and not Steam, as Steam is not simply an advertisement platform. The fact that they are constantly mad about this proves people right, any company that tries to force you onto their platform, is simply greedy and can't stand the thought of having to split the take with Valve. They are welcome to do this, of course, but I am less likely to pick up their games, not because I wouldn't use their launcher, but because I will be more concerned about the quality of their games.
>lose access to something you didnt pay for AND don't use
just login twice a year, moron, or check your email, or stop perpetually putting games in your "backlog" just to leave them rotting
or just stop being a israelite and let people own the things that they invested either time or money in
>or money
they said that any account with paid games wouldn't be deleted, readlet. If you don't like the terms for getting free games then don't use the service, it's that simple, just pirate it or something
>readlet
>didn't even read three replies up
have a nice day
>no, I will only receive the free thing if YOU follow MY terms
choosing beggar
>Game is free to keep!
>except for when we decide to take it back
How is this defensible and justifiable behavior?
how is it not? why do you care about the game you don't play in the service you don't login into and where you didn't spend a penny? Are you also unable to take out trash from your home because you "might use it some day"?
But I do play the game.
Just not with your DRM.
then you're literally losing nothing, you think the program you aren't using will somehow delete the game from your computer?
>then you're literally losing nothing
Yes, that's why I don't use your drm where I could have my games arbitrarily taken away at any time.
then why are you b***hing about the loss of games you aren't going to lose because you cracked the games?
I'm just explaining to you why I don't use your drm. YOU are the one sitting there b***hing that I'm getting my free games off the pirate bay instead of your drm.
It was given to me. I took the time to add it to my account. I should reserve the right to play it or not play it. It's MINE.
How fricked up would it be if a GameStop employee went to your house and repo'd your Xbox 360 discs simply because you haven't played them in a while?
that'd imply a privacy invasion, and that something you paid for was taken, it's a completely different scenario that makes zero sense. If you don't want to follow their terms, then don't take the game, it's that simple.
>YOU are the one sitting there b***hing that I'm getting my free games off the pirate bay
I literally told people to pirate, moron
>I literally told people to pirate, moron
while defending drm taking your games away
christ you're transparent
>defending drm
Black person what? the ones that want drm are the ones b***hing about account deletion. What do you think the account is for? it's for the drm you turbo moron. I defend their right to put terms for their service, specially if it's something you aren't paying for, and I defend (you)r right to use the service or not.
If you don't want to follow the terms and login from time to time just literally don't use it, pirate the game if you actually wanted to play the game instead of being a choosig beggar.
exactly, you defend dogshit terms
their freebies their terms, I don't even have an ubisoft account because ubisoft connect is dogshit
do you also go to twitter to complain that the girls in that game you were totally-going-to-buy is extremely toxic and misogynistic? Complaints from non-users are the most worthless form of feedback you can get
why the frick would I go to twitter? you gonna tell me I can't criticize that either because I don't use it?
that was a rhetorical question, I'm saying those coplaining about things they wouldn't use are seldom worth lsitening to, and it's the reason why games get censored, because c**ts who weren't going to play game x either way go to complain about how bad it is.
>"log into the service twcie a year" is immoral
>the same service you would have to log into in order to actually play the game
ok, if the terms are immoral, don't get the game and don't use the service?
>"log into the service twcie a year" is immoral
No you triple Black person. Them being able to delete user accounts with games is immoral. homosexual Black person.
Don't take him too seriously, he's just being a weasel to avoid facing the fact that his argument is bad.
>I'm saying those coplaining about things they wouldn't use are seldom worth lsitening to
Maybe I would use it if was a good service with good terms.
>if a product fails miserably you shouldn't listen to anybody who explains what could be improved for them to purchase said product
don't quit your day job my man
Hey, maybe if the terms weren't shit then I'd use the service. Just something to think about, "anon."
so you were using the service before then? because these terms became news like less than a month ago.
I had to use ubisoft connect n a friend's computer and it was an all around unpleasant experience, they'd have to fix the launcher for me to even consider the service and I doubt they'll ever fix it
we're taking about the same thing, the account doesn't get deleted if you ever gave them a cent, or if you log in from time to time
>I'm not going to buy this game but it's problematic, it needs to be censored or it won't sell because it's disgusting
yeah great idea to take advice from people who weren't going to be custoemrs either way. Every c**t in this planet has anopinion doesn't mean you have to listen to everyone, much les someone with zero investment in what you do.
If this comes to bite ubisoft's ass then good, they'll have to improve their service, or they'll have to desist on making their own launcher which would be even better
>problematic, it needs to be censored
That's funny, I don't remember saying any of that. You really are a disingenuous weasel.
I'm saying the opinion of someone with no investment in a thing is completely worthless, much like feminists about videogames because they don't give a frick about the game and they weren't going to buy it anyway.
then don't create it
that's what they say, it's not what I advocate, reread my post
then your account won't be deleted ever
>I'm saying the opinion of someone with no investment in a thing is completely worthless
yeah because you're fricking stupid
>then your account won't be deleted ever
okay? how does that make it right that accounts with only free games should get deleted?
>I'm saying the opinion of someone with no investment in a thing is completely worthless
Funny, seemed like those opinions were worth a lot to Capcom when they saw the extremely poor sales of DmC:DmC and later went on to correct course with DMC5.
Like I said, don't quit your day job.
>fans of the franchise not buying a game is the same as someone who would never buy an ubisoft game
let's be honest here, if you never bought an ubisoft game you aren't going to start now, it's not like their games are getting any better, it's been downhill for years and will continue to be.
>someone who would never
Who said? Who said everyone who doesn't use Ubisoft's drm would never buy one of their games?
even if they didn't delete accounts you'd have to use their fricking drm, you're proving my point that you wouldn't buy their games even if they didn't delete accounts because their drm would still exist because that's a copletely separate issue
Woah hold on now, I never said I woud never buy their games. You're putting words in my mouth.
>then don't create it
>that's what they say
Yeah, and you're saying that if a product fails miserably you shouldn't listen to anybody who explains what could be improved for them to purchase said product. You're arguing that taking criticism from non-buyers means taking criticism specifically from people that think the product is problematic. But what product bombed because it was "problematic?"
read
if you never bought an ubisoft game you weren't going to start now. and "there are terms to keeping the games I didn't pay for" is very far in the list of issues Ubisoft has. It's like watching a house burn and saying how terrible it is that the doormat is dirty
>if you never bought an ubisoft game you weren't going to start now
Ah I see, so this is one of those "actually you were never gonna buy it anyway" things. Speaking for other people. Can't say I'm surprised.
yeah I'm sure you were finally pull the trigger and buy ass creed valhalla 2! the 2 dozen games they released before were shit but now this one is suddenly good I guess!
so you didn't buy games years before this came into place, you're complaining about drm that's a completely separate issue, but yeah you were totally possibly maybe perhaps going to buy a game now that they fell into the routine of making by the number games to the point people call it the ubisoft formula
Hey, speak for yourself my man. I pirated Stranger of Paradise when it was exclusive to EGS but bought it the second it came out on Steam. Sorry pal, I just don't like your service.
Who knows? Maybe Ubisoft will go back to making good games like they used to and I'll buy them. Not on Uplay though, no siree.
>Who knows? Maybe Ubisoft will go back to making good games like they used to and I'll buy them.
fat chance
>Not on Uplay though, no siree.
again, that's a separate issue from the deleting accounts shit
>that's a separate issue
Not really, no.
>>that's a separate issue
>Not really, no.
so your problem with uplay is really that they will delete free accounts if you spend too long without logging? really?
Yeah I have Siege
>the account doesn't get deleted if you ever gave them a cent, or if you log in from time to time
The accounts shouldn't be deleted in the first place! Is this all starting to make sense now?
name five games that bombed specifically because they were "problematic"
>you can't criticize a product if you don't use it
classic twitter argument
The
problem
is
that
the
terms
are
immoral
I don't think he can read all that well.
>pirate the game
Or just get it from GoG
Are you always a c**t when you're not getting your dick rubbed? Getting so assmad cause people don't want to be ripped off and still control the value of what they buy... Fricking capitalitard offering your ass up to corporations because you're mildly vexed. moron.
>If you don't want to follow their terms, then don't take the game, it's that simple.
Their terms are Black persony. That's the whole point of the problem.
Everyone knows that's their fricking terms. The problem is that those terms are immoral.
israelite.
ah okay so if you receive something for free than whoever you received it from has the right to steal it back at any time
>~~*she*~~
I'm fine with GoG
just don't make me use some gay launcher and if you absolutely have to then at least make it convenient
>make shit rage bait thread on Ganker
>get immediately clocked for being a troony from a 100 pixel thumbnail
many such cases
Just make a better launcher than what Steam has, is it so hard?
I can't remember the last time I bought a game through Steam. Steam gives me a console-like UI I can use to interact with even my non-steam games and gives me the best of both worlds: the power of PC gaming with the comfort of console gaming. When the Epic games launcher can do that maybe I'll try it. I guess they're still working on adding a friends list before they can get to that.
Piratechads can't stop winning.
Steam isn't really a monopoly it has multiple competitors. Also steam as a service isn't necessary for developers or users, there is nothing stopping developers from setting up their own sites and working with any number of payment processors to cut steam out entirely except for the fact that steam is actually worth the cut they take. The fact is devs desperately want the discoverability and reliability Steam offers then piss and shit themselves when they actually have to contribute to the framework that actually allows it to happen.
>exclusives are bad
>everything should be exclusive to one PC storefront and consoles shouldn't exist
Just vegan things
>steam is the netflix of video games
We saw how that ended.
how can steam be the netflix of videogames when gamepass is the netflix of videogames
Same premise, you pay them for access to things they own. Except you pay a frickload more to valve.
Having a preferred brand among the competition doesn't imply you support that brand maintaining a monopoly. If the competition sucks, the competition sucks.
>you have to support THIS billionaire with a shit launcher over this other billionaire with a decent launcher because... you just do okay?
Interesting moderation...
I thought maybe if I started reporting threads like this then they'd get taken down but clearly that was extremely silly of me.
Moderation?
Try making a thread about feminist frequency shutting down, jannies will be on that in minutes
Why did jannies let an unironic twitter troon bait thread reach 400+ posts?
I genuinely only dislike Epic. I don't care about using EA Desktop, Uplay, etc. I just don't fricking want to use Epic.
Hating Tencent is a hate crime.
Convenience is king troony.
>steam is a monopoly.
It's not. Steam isn't stamping out other stores with underhanded tactics. They provide a better service than the others. Every industry eventually gets reduced to 2~3 top choices with some niches here and there. You even have a perfect example of this with politics where's it's a 2-party system and then you've got the few independents here and there. At best, it's a monopolopy of convenience.
Bitching about Steam being a monopoly is one of those immediate red flags that lets you disregard anything else the idiot has to say.
Why is this literal who twitter screencap thread about to hit 500?
Useless trannie jannies
was there a time when Ganker didn't take low effort baits? a better time maybe?
It's not the cervix, it's the mouth and the shit that comes out of it.
>It's not the cervix, it's the mouth and the shit that comes out of it.
They eats da poo poo
Make a launcher that isn't bloated garbage full of ads that funnels my data to the Chinese Communist Party and I'll use it today.
It's only a "monopoly" if Gaben buys out all the other good launchers and absorbs them into Steam and you have no choice. Steam is just WORLDS apart from the shit, horrible launchers made by terrible companies that don't respect you. There are plenty of choices in launchers, most of them are just so fricking lousy I wouldn't use them if they gave me $1 every time I loaded them up, it's that bad.
The Steam Deck is such an unbelievable value, even if there was a competing "good" launcher I still wouldn't use it out of loyalty.
homie I wouldn't even use steam but these israelites are forcing me to use their shitty client. Not gonna install a 2nd set of pozzware.
>just pirate
I do, but online games are not worth pirating
>I shouldnt have to instal shary third party software to launch one game that already has a launcher
>I am somehow a screaming infant for wanting this
ok
I think the model steam created is inherently problematic because it ties all your shit to a specific platform in a way that leaves people basically yearning for a monopoly because people understandably don't want their PC libraries to be fragmented between different launcher apps
the convenience is great but the cost of that convenience is giving one company way too much control over the PC games market
gog launcher can launch your steam games, and if you have shortcuts in your desktop for your installed games then it doesn't matter where they are launching from.
I think that microsoft being in the dominant position in the desktop market while holding patents for video codecs you can't use outside their platform (which affects games) while having proprietary graphics api that you can't use outside their platform (which affects games) is way more problematic.
It's like people can't figure out that you can pirate and use steam.
how do they manipulate the gaming market? outside of removing a game or two from purchase, so far valves been fine with just sitting back, doing frick all besides maintaining a basic infrastructure and letting the moolah roll in. hell, the steam drm is optional, and i bet valve would be happy to not have to maintain it and drop support, its just publishers checking the box thinking it makes a difference.
the only thing you could maybe argue is the purchase of the firewatch dev team as you are potentially deprieving your competitors from their games but.... it's the firewatch dev team lmao
im sure they do stuff behind the scenes, but they just do hardly any nefarious stuff. if they were owned by EGS, whose owned by some chinese company they would be rolling out subscription requirements for accounts tomorrow. being privately owned means they dont have to screw customers over with the obligation to make more profit. gabe can just sit his fat ass back and make embarrassing interviews where he talks about what his favorite mlp pony is completely unprompted, and buy submarines and shit.
>HARDLY ANY NEFARIOUS STUFF
Just charge you full price for something you're under the impression you're buying it when in truth you aren't.
They take no responsibility for whatever dross they distribute and offer zero guarantees if they frick up your stuff. In fact to use their service they demand you indemnify them even if you can prove they frick up your stuff. You can't even take them to court, only arbitration they control.
Just fricking bend over and take it I guess.
And you consoomer homosexuals just happy to bend over and take it cause you're incapable of any foresight.
threads dead now
Just use GOG sucka.
500+ posts and all this thread accomplished was convince people that spammig twitter troon bait works.
Many such cases.
Das da way it be son