>shit as frick monetary model
>garbage note detection when working with chords or doublestops
>horrible UI
>no longer supported
>hard as balls to get it to work properly
>still unmatched
damn
>shit as frick monetary model. >garbage note detection when working with chords or doublestops. >horrible UI
Just play a real guitar
It is playing a real guitar
Except you have backing tracks and vocals so you can really nail down the rhythm
I wish it was actually backing tracks rather than just the complete mix of the song.
I'm guessing that they were too lazy to work with multiple tracks or getting access to those may have cost more or something.
>download tuxguitar
>download tabs of your favorite song in gpx format from ultimate-guitar
saved you $60
You connect a real guitar to it, it's basically a paidvidya way to learn it
It's amazing how dogshit the new one is.
new one has a much better engine, much better note detection, but it's been absolutely israeliteed up in all the worst ways.
So what's the deal with it? As I understand it's running on a subscription model which for a game like that is honestly a really good idea, but just how did they frick it up?
>buy one DLC
>can suddenly use any track for free
not my problem
Which one?
cherub rock
then look up cdlc
(on pc of course)
They took cherub rock off the store.
damn
can probably pirate it somehow anyway
You can find pirated collections of the entire official DLC songs.
I think there was a new way without having this dlc, frick SP
My cable stopped working
Just learn to read music. Things like this are only going to teach you bad habits and you'll only ever be a subpar player. Same for tabs.
There is absolutely 0 need to learn musical notation for guitar or pop music
Not to mention you shouldnt be learning songs from tabs or notation anyway but from ear
There absolutely is, because it will give you a better sense of music theory and chords, which will let you improvise and play with others better and more completely. Tell me you're a shit player without telling me you're a shit player. All jazz and classical players can read music, you homosexual.
there is absolutely no need to learn notation for music theory lmao
99% of jazz players dont read shit moron lmao
Do you play with jazz players? I do. You won't get into a music school without knowing to read. 99 percent of guitar players are lazy morons.
Music school is for fricking morons who think they need some washed up nobody to teach them about one of the simplest and purest joys humans have, something they have discovered even before fricking any actual speech or language and I do play with Jazz players
You know what we use? Just the name of the key and the nashville number system
>It's stupid to learn the language of music if you want to have a better understand it
Bro, you're a lazy moron. Just admit it.
Why are jazz players this autistic?
Because we actually care about music
Show me the tablature for a diminished 9th chord, then look at notation. Tell me which is a better way to view it. I know you play simple shit, otherwise you'd know this.
this Black person really things diminished 9th is some le epic hardcore super knowledge
music theory is dead simple and so are chords, there are only so many things you can add to a triad
I would wager some actual 14 year old could understand and recite everything about music theory from scales to modes to augmented chords in 2 weeks
you know why? because music is simple
Yes. As is music notation. So why would you be a homosexual and not learn it,
I know how to read notation and I do not use it as its irrelevant for almost everything in modern music
Reading notation is not a flex, its something anybody could learn in a day and get real good at in a week if it was actually something useful in current year.
If you don't understand the value of notation, you're mediocre at best. Most modern music is incredibly simple, I'll agree with you on that.
I can read notation but can't sight read at speed. The times I've needed this knowledge when playing with randos is countable on one hand.
So you can't read notation. You just know what the notes on a scale are. There's a fricking difference lmao. And you won't ever good at reading it if you don't try.
I can read slowly and can transcribe things I come up. That's good enough for a hobby, even one I take semi-seriously.
I can look at notation and play it after a few minutes. Scoff all you want, but I don't need to be able to sight read to understand music theory.
There is absolutely no need to learn algebra to study architecture either.
Shit it's true, Coltrane, Davis, Basie.
All of them could read music, but most of these guys started as church players, churches, even the black ones takes music theory seriously.
Most jazz players just use a chord sheet, anon.
>pop music
As i said, if you want to be a mediocre player and learn bad habits, sure. If you ever want to get serious, learn to read. It's not that fricking hard.
You’re such a fricking idiot it’s unbelievable. A huge portion of the greatest guitarists in history never learned how to read music
>greatest guitarists in history ~~*~~*of rock music*~~*~~
>rock is not real music!
>blues isnt either!
Jazz Black folk are really the worst
BTW Django didnt read music either
I didn't say that you fricking moron, I said that only limits to rock music.
You'll grow up either being completely mediocre and unknown or ashamed of your previous assumptions. We've all been there. You are no different.
Not only that, he was missing a fricking finger on his fret hand.
Maybe reading tablature could have saved him from becoming irrelevant and shit...
Yes, the guitarists that actually matter.
I'm sick of this as well, there were tons of Black folk who did know how to read music very well in the 30's and 40's. They did all they could to learn it and they did fricking invent jazz, which is the root of all popular music. I'm saying this again. It's the root of ALL popular music.
The shittiest well paid pop artist wouldn't even care to work with an interpreter who doesn't know his jazz really well.
>. A huge portion of the greatest guitarists in history never learned how to read music
listen here autist, making sweeping generalizations about the music community from the comfort of Ganker is laughably bad, shockingly shit i might even say. just stick to crapping your pants and keep your shitty work ethic to yourself
Then why is it that at least 95% of the highgest rated pop composers actually do know how to read classical notation? Maybe it is because they were forced to in school, sure. But that notation is still the best way to convey and study certain musical ideas at an academic level. You can create your own system, but good luck explaining complex stuff to an orchestra or even a small group of professional musicians.
What you actually mean is "there is absolutely 0 need to learn musical notation for being a mediocre musician"
That said, formal theory is not necessary to become a talented musician if you have a particular type of brain. But it's such a huge tool that claiming the opposite is true makes much, much more sense.
>or even a small group of professional musicians.
BB King used to go on stage just telling his backing band to "follow his lead"
some of the most influental guitarists like Robert Johnson not only couldnt read notation, he couldnt read shit
BB king played blues progressions. Professional musicians can easily follow his lead because that's fricking simple if you know theory.
To be fair, you don't really need any theory to follow blues progressions, especially a simple as frick blues shuffle. If you know the key you can play it.
Yes, and if you know theory well, you can do this for all music instead of hitting some plateau and learning bad habits. I used to think the way you did, and I was dead wrong. Music is easier and you will be a better player if you learn its language well.
The Beatles didn’t read music and played everything by ear. It’s not necessary.
Yeah, I doubt you are BB King or Robert Johnson. And this isn't 1950 anymore. Are you claiming reading is not necessary too?
To play guitar? Absolutely not.
You have ears and thousands of years of evolution.
Play something out of tune and your ears will know it and so will you.
Music is genetically coded into every single human, notation is only necessary if you want to play a piece exactly at the tempo and rhythm it was written in, in the exact key and pitch with the exact notes and at that point you might as well be a midi keyboard
And its helpful if you want to play with others, you absolute moron. Not everyone is in your head, and learning a common established language to communicate with others is very useful. It's embarrassing to not know the basics around competent players.
You never played with actual musicians have you?
They communicate using the Naswille numbering system and indicate the key
Thats it, they dont sketch up a fricking whole notation they just say its in the key of B 1 5 4 progression
I have my whole life. I don't use notation when jamming, obviously you homosexual. But you're saying there's no value to learning notation, and you're dead wrong. Only a lazy person would say this to justify their habits. All music is written in notation if written down, so why would you argue its better not to learn it? The answer is that youre a mediocre musician.
This is the type of argument someone who didn't go to school would make. It's literally the same as claiming you don't need to read to be a good plumber.
You don't use notation when you play music. Or even when you compose because there are much better tools now. You use classical notation when you STUDY, at SCHOOL. There is a ton of theory of stuff you might not even care about that is thrown at you, and classical notation is still the best way to communicate it.
You don't need to use symbols to know what an Bb7sus9 chord is, or even play it. But when you are teaching someone and showing examples, it's much easier if you have a platform that concisely and immediatly shows those patterns. This is why music formal students are able to learn in a year what an amateur who spends 10 hours a day practicing learns in five.
>There is a ton of theory of stuff you might not even care about that is thrown at you, and classical notation is still the best way to communicate it.
it absolutely isnt, you can easily just use TABS and a fretboard to show considering we are talking ABOUT GUITARS
On a piano? Sure, violin on upright bass? Yes.
Guitar? Absolutely not.
You could write a tablature for piano or upright bass, you absolute moron. They don't do it on those instruments because it turns out tablature is moronic. Shifty guitarists for some reason think this doesn't apply to them.
>You could write a tablature for piano or upright bass
An upright bass doesnt have any frets, no you could not write tabs for it
Fricking idiot. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. A piano doesn't either. Bass has positions as well. Tablature doesn't rely on frets, guitar tablature does. You don't know jack shit.
Tablature relies on ones hand position rather than notation.
On a piano you can easily indicate it like how Synthesia has been doing for decades
We do for keys, there is an entire industry built upon it
>On a piano? Sure, violin on upright bass? Yes.
What exactly makes guitar different?
Maybe you are not talking about the instrument, you're only limiting yourself to simplistic music. There's a whole world out there to explore, pal. The only reason you don't grasp the complexity of guitar is because it goes through your head every time.
>What exactly makes guitar different?
the existence of fricking easily identifiable frets and strings
Imagine writing tabs for an upright bass like
this moron is saying
>put your fingers 14,5cm from the bridge on the first string
meanwhile on a guitar its easly understandable and more so than notation
notation for fretted instruments dates back to the 1500s
Then why do they use the same notes? You think classical notation uses a different language for every instrument or something? This is like talking to a slug.
Trumpet, saxophone, and piano have easily identifiable keys. Why don't we use moronic alternate notations for those as well? Turns out standard notation works for everything.
Yeah all the good players like Hendrix and slash and Clapton and hetfield…oh wait, they all can’t/couldn’t read music just like 99% of metal guitarists. You’re a frickin idiot
You're either 15 or baiting, at this point time will take care of you
You’re absolutely braindead. Let me guess, you wasted 100 grand on majoring in music theory in college and now are desperately trying to convince yourself you didn’t just waste your life.
Is this bait, or are you in the eigth grade? Any teenager can play songs by the people you mention, not everyone can play Joe Pass. Joe Pass knew how to read music.
You don't know what a good guitarist is clearly lol. Nothing that's ever been in Rolling Stone magazine.
>”no guys! These random Black folk no one has ever heard of are the REAL guitarists- not those talentless hacks like Slash who made the music people actually listen to!”
Listen to Joe Pass right now and tell me if you could do that.
Why would I care about what non-musicians like?
>it's popular > so it's good
>if I don't know it > it's not popular
>if I don't know it > it's not good
>You don't know what a good guitarist is clearly lol. Nothing that's ever been in Rolling Stone magazine.
yes obviously the only good guitarist who ever lived was you, the virgin who majored in music composition and now sits on Ganker completely unknown by anyone
I am guessing Charlie Christian and Chet Atkins are also just wannabe morons.
I mean they just made music everyone likes, popularised or invented genres and proved their proficiency many many times on stage.
>the masses have better music taste than musicians
Musicians also agree that people mentioned in this thread are incredibly talented lmao
Never seen an actual musician call Chet Atkins bad or BB King trash
I have seen 0 worth piece of shit Gankerner morons say it tho, people who talk shit more than playing.
King played with feeling, but I wouldn't call him an especially good player. I don't know the other guy. Pop musicians, maybe. I don't recall hearing a classical or jazz guitarist singing either of those guys praise. The average classical or jazz guitarist could play anything those guys did, but the inverse could not be said. Again, you're mediocre. You'll realize it if you ever try to get serious.
>never heard of Chet Atkins and he thinks he know shit about music made on the Guitar
lmaoooooo, ever heard of Tommy Emmanuel, Mark Knopfler, George Harrison ,Paul McCartney, Doc Watson, Jerry Reed?
Ever heard about the naswhile sound?
Ever heard about the Everly Brothers?
not that anon, but you talk about music like rock was all music
The list of musicians I included were folk, country, pop, rock, blues and bluegrass.
in other words, strictly popular music
Yes every time I go to the mall I hear guitar instrumental music and fricking bluegrass blasting from the radio
what if I told you that a professional musician would be able to learn all those genres and ten more in a pinch and be competent in all because he has a system to do so?
You never played an instrument before if you think you only need theory and sight notation reading to get good a genre or a piece lmao
"professional musician" like the people who record pop, rock,blues, folk and bluegrass music?
At school you literally learn how to study music and are able to identify certain patterns with ease. Add that to the fact that Western music is strictly based in the same 12 tones and boom. Yes. If you think someone with a music major can't learn popular genres (which they probably studied in the past already) and just play them for an audience, then you are really really ignorant about the whole thing. You clearly don't know what you miss when you study music. You probably think they teach you to discern between the good and the bad, or try to manipulate you in some way. But no, that is not what happens there. You learn what music is and how it works. With those tools you can do whatever you want. Including playing all those genres and more. It's much easier, in your case, because you're naming popular styles of music.
If you think a genre is hard to comprehend it's probably because you have no idea how studying music works and I wouldn't expect more from someone who disses academic knowledge so much.
Btw, you didn't name "professional musicians", you named professional folk, country, rock and bluegrass musicians. And basically the best at their field. But take them out of their area of expertise and see how different things are.
Get your fricking head out of your ass this is embarrassing.
Typical reddit guitarist behaviour.
play this in an hour please since your notations and musical theory will surely let you
Speed is a shallow way to convince others your playing is good and highly overrated. Dude's phrasing is shit and I don't enjoy this style of music. It's mechanically impressive, but not musically impressive.
Its impressive in every single way and he is widely recognised as one of if not the best living acoustic guitar player.
And if you think the "speed" is whats impressive about his arrangement you know jack shit about music theory
Way to out yourself as a poser 15 year old
Widely by morons, maybe. I hated listening to that and didn't find it impressive at all. Music journalists don't study music, anon, they study around it.
idk mate sounds like a diarheea of notes to me
>one of if not the best living acoustic guitar player
fricking fangirl behaviour kek
Did you seriously just call Tommy Emmanuel shit at guitar?
Embarrassing.
He's probably not as shit as you, but I didn't like the song and don't consider it good playing, yes.
dude, please
You think producers of movies, TV shows, vidya, etc hire a dozen composers just to add adequate music to their projects? Someone who learns music knows different genres and is proficient at them, but more importantly has the ability to learn new genres as they need to.
You think music is the shit you like and nothing more. And that's why you revere informal training and nothing more.
>implies no musician has ever said Jimi Hendrix or slash we’re good guitarists
You autistic music theory Black folk are so fricking pathetic. Maybe if you keep telling everyone it’s necessary, you’ll finally feel better about having wasted thousands of dollars. You’re worse than israelites running art schools
I could play all of jimi hendrixs songs when I was a teenager. I've been playing for 20 years and still can't play like Joe Pass. You're just mediocre.
And yet what have you created? Nothing. No one will ever listen to your music and no woman will ever touch you when she finds out you wasted money to pay an old israelite to teach you how to read sheet music.
The non autists play by ear and could pry play anything joe pass created in month or less. In fact, the only possible explanation for not playing by ear after your first year is if you are autistic and need to follow explicit formulas or else you freak the frick out. It’s like those human calculators who can do shit In their heads most of the greatest mathematicians wish they could, yet ask them to create or discover something of note on their own and they fall apart
Projecting hard here, bud.
In denial here, bud
Nope 🙂
sheet music on guitar is hard tho
>learning a skill is difficult
no fricking way champ. better just not do anything then.
rocksmith/band/all the other "legit" rhythm games were always trash. the hero games were great because they stayed vidya instead of trying to be a half assed simulator.
t. casual shitter
just play a real instrument, gay. simulations for this are completely unnecessary which is why these games are forgotten and the hero games are remembered fondly.
Remembered only by jaded nerds being nostalgic about holding a plastic dildo when they were a kid. Same with garbage like arcade racing games.
where rocksmith is only remembered with disdain if it is at all.
Did you plug in a shitty as frick mass production like 100 dollars electric guitar or something half decent at like 300 dollars range. It actually had pretty solid note pickup so you were probably using a shitty warped neck dirty cheap guitar.
I use a 600 dollar Squier Mustang
Going through an audio interface.
I can play random powerchords even one whole step down and it thinks I am nailing it
I don't think anyone really uses it as a game, it's just good for learning songs and having built-in effects.
Try studying music theory at an academic level without reading classical notation and see how it goes. That's all there is to be said about it.
You don't want to go to school? Fine, but don't argue that you know what you're missing if you didn't go.
There is nothing to discuss here, if you want to be mediocre, be mediocre. Reach that ceiling.
After all, you can always pay someone else that actually has studied when you get enough money from your craft to help you deal with those limitations. Like all the "musically illiterate" guitarists named in this thread did when they had to.
>why didn't beethoven and Mozart just use tabs, guys
What a negative thread.
Proud of the anons that learned notation, I really should and I'm sure it has been a boon.
But my lack of literacy hasn't really been a problem in any of the very few professional settings i've been in since Ive been able to learn my lines by ear or the musicians were okay with me composing my own
is it actually the fastest way to learn guitar?
no. Go to justinguitar and learn how to play properly. With rocksmith you are not learning guitar, you are learning specific arrangements without anyone explaining good technique. You will build bad habits that will take months to unfrick
No.
is there something like this but for the keyboard. i wanna be a musical person
Skill issue.
Clonesmith when?
>get audio interface
>plug guitar into audio interface
>download rocksmith 2014 on pc
>use no-cable patch to use whatever the frick you want
>download all the songs for free on the russian counter strike forum that's been operating since i was literally 10 years old
>??????
>profit!
Which is the best audio interface to use with the no cable patch? I've heard some people say the Scarlett Solo 3 is good for the price, but others have trashed it.