>shitty
You mean great? asiatics used to have a lot of soul. Not sure what the frick happened. RO is probably the fondest gaming memory of my childhood. The only other one I played out of these was Fiesta. I liked the way there were multiple active level ranges for pvp and pve meta.
How is it's current state compared to Elsword? I used to be an Elsword guy but that game has gone to complete shit a long time ago.
https://steamdb.info/app/237310/
https://steamdb.info/app/985810/
See for yourself. Note that Elsword has a separate client for EU and that Grand Chase is full of BRs shitting on it to prop up their private server.
THIS GAME REFUSES TO WORK ON MY PC, I DONT FRICKING KNOW WHY AND THE FORUMS ARE USELESS.
FRICK, I PLAYED THIS SHIT SINCE SEASON 1, I JUST WANT SOME OF THAT NOSTALGIA BACK
KOG IS A homosexual FOR CLOSING THE ORIGINAL SERVERS
Wasn't it one of the first MMOs to reach CIS via private servers? They were probably easier to set up than most other MMOs at the time.
Then servers started implementing their own economy and for some sunk cost fallacy kicked in, while for others it became a platform to earn money
We arabs did have private servers too. PVP/PK is main appeal of series imo. It's fun to go with your bros and destroy other side. Competition used to be fire but game eats your time so it's for neets.
How the frick is monetization like Flyff's allowed to exist? It's fricking blatant greed. Pure fricking scummy ass scam.
0.001% chance to upgrade and you need a scroll to "protect" your gear from breaking? Seriously?
Koreans are not human. Fricking bugmen pieces of shit, man.
What the frick's wrong with them? Is it the fact that they have the smallest dicks on the planet? Frickin' hell, mate.
As a Korean my opinion is that we industrialized too late and thus we appropriately have Victorian era ethical standards for labor and competition in 21st century.
I recall that Ace Online/Air Rivals/SCO especially had whales dumping over US$100 on single weapons. More experienced players would also have specialized missiles or whatever for different occasions.
some of the degens i played sco/flysis/airrivals with in 2007-2014 are still playing the game today on pservers.
>I recall that Ace Online/Air Rivals/SCO especially had whales dumping over US$100 on single weapons
much, much more than that.
i personally knew people who had spent cash in the order of 5 digits on their accounts over the years.
some of them paid children to grind their gears for like 2$/h.
others got personally blacklisted by the publisher because they were spending 80% of their neetbux on the game.
yeah, airrivals was truly unique and continues to be to this day. i wonder if any studio will ever pick up a similar idea again.
personally, i started getting really bored of airrivals by 2014 because all the people who could equal me in pvp left and farming turks and pinoys all day long just ain't it.
On the Air Rivals side of things I especially heard of rumors of some collusion between the GMs and the goons, and some other frickery. Around 2009 or so one Gankernon was saying some of the heavy hitters in Helix were spending at least $200+ on a given piece of gear.
Otherwise what private servers are around today? And if anyone solved the game running like complete shit, I'd like to fly an A-Gear again.
>I especially heard of rumors of some collusion between the GMs and the goons
i think there was some GM frickery going on in pretty much all airrivals servers unfortunately
>Otherwise what private servers are around today?
the last bit of info i have from a couple of years ago is that some people were playing chromerivals. a couple of others have been playing OG ace online. dunno if CR is still up or populated now though, i only check in on these things every couple of years
vids about CR from one of the airrivals.de originals:
>And if anyone solved the game running like complete shit
dragon/zemaster did a bunch of good work on the game (including netcode & performance or allowing players to up the claustrophobic FoV) when he was still actively developing it, but i believe he sold the code that he stole from the koreans and spawned the first pservers and noped out sometime around 2015 as well.
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i forgot to add: be mindful of the fact that the people still playing this game today are largely the same ones that have been playing it since 2011 on the first pservers.
there's layers upon layers upon layers of frickery and intrigue between them and most of them are unlikable pieces of shit.
Thanks for the info, I'll look into it with some tact. Am personally aware there was some real cliquey shenanigans going on at the time, guess some things don't change.
>I especially heard of rumors of some collusion between the GMs and the goons
i think there was some GM frickery going on in pretty much all airrivals servers unfortunately
>Otherwise what private servers are around today?
the last bit of info i have from a couple of years ago is that some people were playing chromerivals. a couple of others have been playing OG ace online. dunno if CR is still up or populated now though, i only check in on these things every couple of years
vids about CR from one of the airrivals.de originals:
>And if anyone solved the game running like complete shit
dragon/zemaster did a bunch of good work on the game (including netcode & performance or allowing players to up the claustrophobic FoV) when he was still actively developing it, but i believe he sold the code that he stole from the koreans and spawned the first pservers and noped out sometime around 2015 as well.
i forgot to add: be mindful of the fact that the people still playing this game today are largely the same ones that have been playing it since 2011 on the first pservers.
there's layers upon layers upon layers of frickery and intrigue between them and most of them are unlikable pieces of shit.
It really drives home the massive inflation of whale spenders when $100 for a weapon was seen as considerable. I had a guild in mobileshit that had people dumping $3000 on the latest weapon, he had a job that paid well at least. Makes me sad these games can't be made anymore.
I have an AK private server downloaded currently. I haven't played much of it. The same for Twin Saga and Eden Eternal. I wish I had a friend to play random MMOs with.
I find the costumes really nice too
Collecting all the e-girl summons, and clothes is what keeps me going
Also i wish they had kept updating the house interactions with the summons
>Flyff Universe >Before launch, think they learned what killed the game before >Surely they won't double down on the moronic p2w >Start playing >The devs have gone full israelite and Gala has ruined fricking everything. >What started as a fun project for people who just want to enjoy the game turned into the second coming of bullshit by this greedy ass, worthless Korean company. >Huge player drop off >Game's dead again. Barely anyone fricking plays it anymore because it's pathetically blatant in it's money investment for progression.
for me it was maple and DFO
still waiting for that herowarz reboot, Nightmare Breaker and Wonderking revival https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlVPHAlrESM
After losing all my characters, names, and avatars when they shut down the original dfo I'm never coming back. I was the first summoner to hit the new level cap when I was no lifing it in between college. I'm never touching a Nexon game again or any other Korean mmo
I really do miss the age of F2P MMO's
I think I tried most of them just for fun. FlyFF and Mabinogi were my favorites, but Fiesta was actually kind of comfy as well. Oh I can't forget about Trickster Online. I never really got into Maplestory, though the artwork and music were great.
I just want to kill hundreds of mobs with AoE skills in increasingly difficult dungeons, is that too much to ask for? Why is this genre completely dead?
I miss playing Mabinogi years ago. I worked a shitty bartender job and I'd just get drunk every day after work to grind shit and hang out with morons.
Spellblade is finally a thing but the skills require 50 levels and up to leveled up, Nexon is finally removing the randomness from dan tests and you can increase the pet's timer, sadly Chapter 7 have the milletian going full "Power of Waking" to solve the situation, also you are placed just when Triona was about to die and you can save her life, she still dies
>I tried it again and the joy isn't there anymore
Because new Kritika is a poorly stitched together wreck of 3 different revisions, pay to win mechanics and nft scam. The worst thisng is, if they are to release a sequel, it's going to be a Lineage 2M clone.
I just want to kill hundreds of mobs with AoE skills in increasingly difficult dungeons, is that too much to ask for? Why is this genre completely dead?
Blue Protocol is like that, but it has a multitude of its own problems right now.
For me it was MU Online that got me addicted to MMOs. It was magical that time but there's no way I'll play it again because it looks and plays so shit just like all the other nostalgia tier games out there.
>levelup games >Big Lan house was sponsored by them >they had a massive grandchase wall painting of zero >everyone would skip class to play there >Now it's just a place for people to print documents or fix their phones >The artwork was painted over to a normal white wall
It fricking hurts bros...
numaple is the most soulless thing i've seen, i probably would have just written it off as more koreaslop but it just hurts worse having played the original decades ago and seeing what its become.
>hours of unskippable cutscenes >you spend an hour on character creation in cutscenes and pop out level 30 immediately >go back in for a few more and hit 60 >now you can finally start hitting monsters for a while
I'm actually conflicted because I don't know if I actually like Flyff OST because of its "amazing" soundtrack, or if I'm just purely fueled by nostalgia.
>Korean game is released >Becomes really popular due to their fricked up society >Pricing model is reflective of this >Devs sign deal with no name Western publisher >Publisher makes zero changes to the pricing model >Becomes hated by people for the same reason it was popular in Korea >Publishers double down on greed, continue to chase whales >Game shuts down in West >Game runs its course in Korea after replaced by next big thing
TIME SKIP!
>Korean game is gonna be re-released >Everyone remembers the good times, none of the bad >Confident that they'll strip out the greedy grindy bits, at least for the West >Game releases >Its the same fricking thing >Game shuts down
I think Ragnarok 2 (The one that has nothing to do with Ragnarok 1) was the last straw for me. No Korean MMOs for me ever again
Also DFO Global. except they added a fatigue point system so if you play for too long you cant earn gold or exp from dungeons anymore to prevent grinding.
Were KMMOs back then better? Yeah they had cash shops and shit but I dunno it just felt less predatory back then. At least the various games felt unique, I could tell which was which and they weren't just following a list of bullet points. It's probably just nostalgia but stuff like MS and RO felt soulful.
idk about others but in dungeon fighter sorta. You did have to grind but they gave out exp potions like candy so you could just go to the hardest arena with hard difficulty and burst your cube skills for massive exp.
In the lv 70 cap, the best gear was the rare gear that you could swap attributes. It was a common enough drop and you could add elemental damage without enchanting it with just gold. it made fight and light damage cards valuable
Were KMMOs back then better? Yeah they had cash shops and shit but I dunno it just felt less predatory back then. At least the various games felt unique, I could tell which was which and they weren't just following a list of bullet points. It's probably just nostalgia but stuff like MS and RO felt soulful.
>Were KMMOs back then better? Yeah they had cash shops and shit but I dunno it just felt less predatory back then.
In mabinogi you needed to pay a fee to get a bag for extra inventory on a game with crafting, you needed to pay to rebirth, a core mechanic, you needed to pay to even do dungeons, you needed to pay for reforges, imagine locking weapon upgrades behind gacha, Digimon Masters Online was similar.
Oh sure there were extreme outliers at the time, but now the extreme has become the norm. I just never understood the point of playing something but just paying to skip all the gameplay parts.
Old KMMOs were undoubetdly pay2win, they just hadn't perfected the formula for extracting the maximum amount of money out of their whales at the time.
There was a brief time where some game, not sure who started it, sold cash shop items as "rentals"
Every other kmmo saw this and went JACKPOT and started updating their cash shops.
S4 league in particular completely removed the option to buy permanent items, instead RENTING fricking COSMETICS for 30/90 days.
Later others started adding lootbox-esque chances to get a permanent version of that costume.
Then the RNG started infesting every other aspect to try and gamble addict everybody into submission.
Ah, LaTale. I played it for a while then quit. When I went back, they sold the game to someone else and I lost all my cash shop items. Literally got my money stolen.
>someone makes a RO server without all the bullshit pserver features >it struggles to get 50 players online
Ragnarok was killed by the playerbase that doesn't understand what made the game good
Turn based combat/actual aesthetic choices/easy to run on low end pc's and shittty ping environments which allow the gameplay to be enjoyable regardless of distance to server or place.
Theres a reason games like Toontown,Wizard101 and Atlantica Online all turn based games still have cult playerbases.
Theres a few private servers official is total garbage tho.
Big problem the community faces right now is the files for the more recent versions of the games have been hoarded by a small group of israelites who dont actually like or care about the game for a few years and its burned the community out as they make shitty burner servers to scam the community.
Go give AO Reborn a look instead its a completely free version of the game run by someone who actually likes it.
Lineage 2 wasn't bad, Lineage 1 had a gigantic share of the MMO market that it robbed from Everquest and UO, but I never played L1. My only gripe about L2 was the fact that bugmen israelited everyone else in every server because they can't stop reproducing like roaches and they always overpowered every good castle town because they had more accounts
Only b2p MMO at the time was Guild Wars which had everything instanced outside of towns. I wanted to play an MMO where I could see players outside towns so badly, but I wasn’t allowed to play monthly fee games. Then Archlord dropped their monthly fee and became b2p like Guild Wars in late 2006 or early 2007. I was in heaven… The game sucked, but it was also so good
I am so fricking mad the Mabinogi remake is a mobileshit. We could've gotten a based classic MMORPG but noo it has to be mobileshit. Frick asians and their obsession with mobileshit.
my friend and I tried playing maple story in like 2006 and it was already such a microtransaction hell hole. we thought it looked so cool but could never actually do anything because we didn’t pay money. also there were way too many people for it to be 2D side scroller kek
i used to be a sexpest in mabinogi when i was like 13
somehow i got a bunch of girls to straight up send me nudes or strip in video calls, which thinking back now I was probably turning grown ass women into pedos
Which one was the one where you can get aggro from like 10 mobs that can follow you into town? Was it Lineage? I remember people running into town screaming for help while being chased by giant spiders.
I went super hard on a priston private server a few months back staying top 10 for a few days but it's just brutal man, barely sleeping and eating had to quit
Does anyone here remember a shitty free MMO that I think was called Aika Online. They had this system where your "faction" was your server and you could go to other servers that are like a mirror world and PvP levelers or do server wide raids.
>hmm today I'm going to give an ancient barely alive mmo a whirl >play for 10 minutes >game gives you endgame gear and 99 level ups
why the frick do they do this
One of the reasons I loved Lineage2 was because of my father, we used to play alternatively, he had a Dwarf Artisan and a Spoiler and I played a Gladiator I believe.
It's funny because he was pretty high level and would craft me sets of armor, if a PK would kill me while leveling, he would show up from some other PC and chase him along the dragon valley.
But at one time, I logged on with his dwarf spoiler because he had this awesome Heavy Doom Armor Set with Art of Battle Axe, but some player taunted me so hard in Giran and I was so full of myself knowing that my pop's character is powerful that we went outside and killed him outright, not knowing that if you die as a PK you lose items and I lost his Doom Chestplate. I immediately called and told my pop's that I'm a moron.
I was like 10.
For me it was Grandchase, Maplestory and DFO on rotation when I was a poor gay child ignorant to emulation.
Those games plus Combat Arms was my 'PC'.
Time for you to come back to Grand Chase then. New characters and new dungeons. Only thing missing is Uno but he's already data mined to be in.
keeps crashing on startup ;(
>shitty
You mean great? asiatics used to have a lot of soul. Not sure what the frick happened. RO is probably the fondest gaming memory of my childhood. The only other one I played out of these was Fiesta. I liked the way there were multiple active level ranges for pvp and pve meta.
How is it's current state compared to Elsword? I used to be an Elsword guy but that game has gone to complete shit a long time ago.
Also, Lost Saga, anyone?
>tfw like lost saga
>could never truly enjoy it due to shit ping and no service area close to me always had shit like the pro wrestler hold glitch
I got surprisingly decent ping from EU on the NA server and on the KR server you had regional communities with a bunch of people looking to play.
https://steamdb.info/app/237310/
https://steamdb.info/app/985810/
See for yourself. Note that Elsword has a separate client for EU and that Grand Chase is full of BRs shitting on it to prop up their private server.
THIS GAME REFUSES TO WORK ON MY PC, I DONT FRICKING KNOW WHY AND THE FORUMS ARE USELESS.
FRICK, I PLAYED THIS SHIT SINCE SEASON 1, I JUST WANT SOME OF THAT NOSTALGIA BACK
KOG IS A homosexual FOR CLOSING THE ORIGINAL SERVERS
Never played any of those, i started with Runescape and then went to wow, later played some Jady Dynasty though.
>Combat Arms
For me it was Soldier Front.
lineage 2 was super big with slavs for some reason
Wasn't it one of the first MMOs to reach CIS via private servers? They were probably easier to set up than most other MMOs at the time.
Then servers started implementing their own economy and for some sunk cost fallacy kicked in, while for others it became a platform to earn money
>was
still is
We arabs did have private servers too. PVP/PK is main appeal of series imo. It's fun to go with your bros and destroy other side. Competition used to be fire but game eats your time so it's for neets.
How the frick is monetization like Flyff's allowed to exist? It's fricking blatant greed. Pure fricking scummy ass scam.
0.001% chance to upgrade and you need a scroll to "protect" your gear from breaking? Seriously?
Koreans are not human. Fricking bugmen pieces of shit, man.
What the frick's wrong with them? Is it the fact that they have the smallest dicks on the planet? Frickin' hell, mate.
As a Korean my opinion is that we industrialized too late and thus we appropriately have Victorian era ethical standards for labor and competition in 21st century.
I recall that Ace Online/Air Rivals/SCO especially had whales dumping over US$100 on single weapons. More experienced players would also have specialized missiles or whatever for different occasions.
some of the degens i played sco/flysis/airrivals with in 2007-2014 are still playing the game today on pservers.
>I recall that Ace Online/Air Rivals/SCO especially had whales dumping over US$100 on single weapons
much, much more than that.
i personally knew people who had spent cash in the order of 5 digits on their accounts over the years.
some of them paid children to grind their gears for like 2$/h.
others got personally blacklisted by the publisher because they were spending 80% of their neetbux on the game.
I can understand them, there's just no games like it. I can see myself whaling on something like that if it was released now.
yeah, airrivals was truly unique and continues to be to this day. i wonder if any studio will ever pick up a similar idea again.
personally, i started getting really bored of airrivals by 2014 because all the people who could equal me in pvp left and farming turks and pinoys all day long just ain't it.
On the Air Rivals side of things I especially heard of rumors of some collusion between the GMs and the goons, and some other frickery. Around 2009 or so one Gankernon was saying some of the heavy hitters in Helix were spending at least $200+ on a given piece of gear.
Otherwise what private servers are around today? And if anyone solved the game running like complete shit, I'd like to fly an A-Gear again.
>I especially heard of rumors of some collusion between the GMs and the goons
i think there was some GM frickery going on in pretty much all airrivals servers unfortunately
>Otherwise what private servers are around today?
the last bit of info i have from a couple of years ago is that some people were playing chromerivals. a couple of others have been playing OG ace online. dunno if CR is still up or populated now though, i only check in on these things every couple of years
vids about CR from one of the airrivals.de originals:
>And if anyone solved the game running like complete shit
dragon/zemaster did a bunch of good work on the game (including netcode & performance or allowing players to up the claustrophobic FoV) when he was still actively developing it, but i believe he sold the code that he stole from the koreans and spawned the first pservers and noped out sometime around 2015 as well.
Thanks for the info, I'll look into it with some tact. Am personally aware there was some real cliquey shenanigans going on at the time, guess some things don't change.
i forgot to add: be mindful of the fact that the people still playing this game today are largely the same ones that have been playing it since 2011 on the first pservers.
there's layers upon layers upon layers of frickery and intrigue between them and most of them are unlikable pieces of shit.
It really drives home the massive inflation of whale spenders when $100 for a weapon was seen as considerable. I had a guild in mobileshit that had people dumping $3000 on the latest weapon, he had a job that paid well at least. Makes me sad these games can't be made anymore.
>Makes me sad these games can't be made anymore
why bother when people spend the same exorbitant amount of money in jpeg collectors and lineage clones
Used to play a shitton of aura kingdom. The pantsu kept me going for 1000 hours. All the girl summons were cute.
I have an AK private server downloaded currently. I haven't played much of it. The same for Twin Saga and Eden Eternal. I wish I had a friend to play random MMOs with.
I find the costumes really nice too
Collecting all the e-girl summons, and clothes is what keeps me going
Also i wish they had kept updating the house interactions with the summons
I still play 9Dragons
ah 9dragons. tried to paly it but i was confusing compared to BOTS so i went back
>flyff
Now that's a name I haven't heard in years. I used to play lots of it, but mostly RO and Lineage II.
>Flyff Universe
>Before launch, think they learned what killed the game before
>Surely they won't double down on the moronic p2w
>Start playing
>The devs have gone full israelite and Gala has ruined fricking everything.
>What started as a fun project for people who just want to enjoy the game turned into the second coming of bullshit by this greedy ass, worthless Korean company.
>Huge player drop off
>Game's dead again. Barely anyone fricking plays it anymore because it's pathetically blatant in it's money investment for progression.
Frick Koreans.
This happens for every single Korean MMO relaunch, the only exception I can think of is DFO
>tfw too small brain for Nu-Maple
DFO is people selling and trading cash shop packages as they have to compete with Chinese players who are too poor to play on their server.
and buying gold for expensive items
for me it was maple and DFO
still waiting for that herowarz reboot, Nightmare Breaker and Wonderking revival https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlVPHAlrESM
DFO still going is surprising but they used their ip well... somewhat
After losing all my characters, names, and avatars when they shut down the original dfo I'm never coming back. I was the first summoner to hit the new level cap when I was no lifing it in between college. I'm never touching a Nexon game again or any other Korean mmo
For me it was Nexus TK
Darkages was better
This shit is still going on, with the same loonies on it 25 years later
KSG for life
Ah, good times. MEMORIESSSS DO DO DOOOOO
I really do miss the age of F2P MMO's
I think I tried most of them just for fun. FlyFF and Mabinogi were my favorites, but Fiesta was actually kind of comfy as well. Oh I can't forget about Trickster Online. I never really got into Maplestory, though the artwork and music were great.
got my first nudes from a girl playing a shitty private lineage 2 server. good times
for me its tree of savior
>no ROSE online
I know Ragnarok was by far Gravity's most poular game but still, I'm sure more people played it than Fiesta
why were the soundtracks of these games so good? RO, MS, Mabinogi even Flyff had some noice tracks don't know about the others but assuming likewise
lineage 2 had fantastic music
I miss playing Mabinogi years ago. I worked a shitty bartender job and I'd just get drunk every day after work to grind shit and hang out with morons.
What is genuinely wrong with Koreans? Did the Japs frick them way too hard during the invasions?
>Shitty
another thing I think KMMO's did well was sprite animation. From Maplestory, to Ragnorok, to Trickster, Gaia, DFO all had great sprite work.
Just played Dave the Diver last week. Also a Korean game with immaculate sprite animations, especially the cutscenes.
Ragnarok and Lineage 2 are not shitty though...but you can add RF Online to this pic
I just want to kill hundreds of mobs with AoE skills in increasingly difficult dungeons, is that too much to ask for? Why is this genre completely dead?
i feel as if they fall for pacing issues or they lack depth
I tried it again and the joy isn't there anymore
Spellblade is finally a thing but the skills require 50 levels and up to leveled up, Nexon is finally removing the randomness from dan tests and you can increase the pet's timer, sadly Chapter 7 have the milletian going full "Power of Waking" to solve the situation, also you are placed just when Triona was about to die and you can save her life, she still dies
>I tried it again and the joy isn't there anymore
Because new Kritika is a poorly stitched together wreck of 3 different revisions, pay to win mechanics and nft scam. The worst thisng is, if they are to release a sequel, it's going to be a Lineage 2M clone.
I feel you bro.
Blue Protocol is like that, but it has a multitude of its own problems right now.
I never expected it to be a good game but it didn't even have a shot in the west with Amazon nigging it up.
You may want to look out for Crystals of Atlan, it's getting a global release sometime this year.
I'm ashamed to admit that I was really into mobile Kritika and spent around $7000 in it. Shit was like digital crack.
Used to also mess with Rappelz and that jet game that went through a couple names like Space Cowboy.
Also DFO and while it existed GhostX where you made spirit monsters that turned into your weapons like it was Shaman King
GhostX sounds cool
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For me it was MU Online that got me addicted to MMOs. It was magical that time but there's no way I'll play it again because it looks and plays so shit just like all the other nostalgia tier games out there.
honestly, none of this were good besides RO.
the only other one maybe maple story in tis most vanilla form, and even then it was disgusting grind.
RIP L2Extreme, never forget
Does RF Online never become popular in the West?
>levelup games
>Big Lan house was sponsored by them
>they had a massive grandchase wall painting of zero
>everyone would skip class to play there
>Now it's just a place for people to print documents or fix their phones
>The artwork was painted over to a normal white wall
It fricking hurts bros...
numaple is the most soulless thing i've seen, i probably would have just written it off as more koreaslop but it just hurts worse having played the original decades ago and seeing what its become.
>hours of unskippable cutscenes
>you spend an hour on character creation in cutscenes and pop out level 30 immediately
>go back in for a few more and hit 60
>now you can finally start hitting monsters for a while
Remember to appreciate the music teams behind these games. A lot of them were from a group called SoundTemp
Post RO songs and not linking Theme of Geffen is a punishment worthy of 50 lashings. https://youtu.be/yWgf7p3_z8w?si=53HcJJGKUE7xzs0j
I'm actually conflicted because I don't know if I actually like Flyff OST because of its "amazing" soundtrack, or if I'm just purely fueled by nostalgia.
>Korean game is released
>Becomes really popular due to their fricked up society
>Pricing model is reflective of this
>Devs sign deal with no name Western publisher
>Publisher makes zero changes to the pricing model
>Becomes hated by people for the same reason it was popular in Korea
>Publishers double down on greed, continue to chase whales
>Game shuts down in West
>Game runs its course in Korea after replaced by next big thing
TIME SKIP!
>Korean game is gonna be re-released
>Everyone remembers the good times, none of the bad
>Confident that they'll strip out the greedy grindy bits, at least for the West
>Game releases
>Its the same fricking thing
>Game shuts down
I think Ragnarok 2 (The one that has nothing to do with Ragnarok 1) was the last straw for me. No Korean MMOs for me ever again
Return to Korean RPGs pirated offline like the good ol' days with no monetization.
Also DFO Global. except they added a fatigue point system so if you play for too long you cant earn gold or exp from dungeons anymore to prevent grinding.
idk about others but in dungeon fighter sorta. You did have to grind but they gave out exp potions like candy so you could just go to the hardest arena with hard difficulty and burst your cube skills for massive exp.
In the lv 70 cap, the best gear was the rare gear that you could swap attributes. It was a common enough drop and you could add elemental damage without enchanting it with just gold. it made fight and light damage cards valuable
every single fricking time
Fiesta... home....
Were KMMOs back then better? Yeah they had cash shops and shit but I dunno it just felt less predatory back then. At least the various games felt unique, I could tell which was which and they weren't just following a list of bullet points. It's probably just nostalgia but stuff like MS and RO felt soulful.
Considering that KMMOs nowadays are literal reskins of L2M, I'd say yeah, they were better.
Kino, but filled with subhuman trash hordes like br and pinoys.
>Were KMMOs back then better? Yeah they had cash shops and shit but I dunno it just felt less predatory back then.
In mabinogi you needed to pay a fee to get a bag for extra inventory on a game with crafting, you needed to pay to rebirth, a core mechanic, you needed to pay to even do dungeons, you needed to pay for reforges, imagine locking weapon upgrades behind gacha, Digimon Masters Online was similar.
Oh sure there were extreme outliers at the time, but now the extreme has become the norm. I just never understood the point of playing something but just paying to skip all the gameplay parts.
Everything was better back then.
Old KMMOs were undoubetdly pay2win, they just hadn't perfected the formula for extracting the maximum amount of money out of their whales at the time.
There was a brief time where some game, not sure who started it, sold cash shop items as "rentals"
Every other kmmo saw this and went JACKPOT and started updating their cash shops.
S4 league in particular completely removed the option to buy permanent items, instead RENTING fricking COSMETICS for 30/90 days.
Later others started adding lootbox-esque chances to get a permanent version of that costume.
Then the RNG started infesting every other aspect to try and gamble addict everybody into submission.
>sold cash shop items as "rentals"
literally maplestory
I dont know if Maplestory was the one to pioneer it, but almost every shitty kmmo started on it roughly around the same time.
Lineage II was god tier back in the day when it was new. Even better with real friends that you lived by.
Ah, LaTale. I played it for a while then quit. When I went back, they sold the game to someone else and I lost all my cash shop items. Literally got my money stolen.
>make ro server
>schizos run it into the ground
>kick them out
>now its played by malaysians and randoms from us and europe
>someone makes a RO server without all the bullshit pserver features
>it struggles to get 50 players online
Ragnarok was killed by the playerbase that doesn't understand what made the game good
I just want to be sixteen again
>outlives all of them
How'd they do it?
Turn based combat/actual aesthetic choices/easy to run on low end pc's and shittty ping environments which allow the gameplay to be enjoyable regardless of distance to server or place.
Theres a reason games like Toontown,Wizard101 and Atlantica Online all turn based games still have cult playerbases.
>Atlantica Online
this lives?
Theres a few private servers official is total garbage tho.
Big problem the community faces right now is the files for the more recent versions of the games have been hoarded by a small group of israelites who dont actually like or care about the game for a few years and its burned the community out as they make shitty burner servers to scam the community.
Go give AO Reborn a look instead its a completely free version of the game run by someone who actually likes it.
Lineage 2 wasn't bad, Lineage 1 had a gigantic share of the MMO market that it robbed from Everquest and UO, but I never played L1. My only gripe about L2 was the fact that bugmen israelited everyone else in every server because they can't stop reproducing like roaches and they always overpowered every good castle town because they had more accounts
Only b2p MMO at the time was Guild Wars which had everything instanced outside of towns. I wanted to play an MMO where I could see players outside towns so badly, but I wasn’t allowed to play monthly fee games. Then Archlord dropped their monthly fee and became b2p like Guild Wars in late 2006 or early 2007. I was in heaven… The game sucked, but it was also so good
I wonder just how active Flyff is these days haven't played in years since before they added an entire new island
Pre-WoW KMMOs were honestly amazing. So much variety, so much experimentation. It was truly the wild west.
ENTER
>Yogurting
>Shitty
I enjoy it more than what we have today
I am so fricking mad the Mabinogi remake is a mobileshit. We could've gotten a based classic MMORPG but noo it has to be mobileshit. Frick asians and their obsession with mobileshit.
there was also MU Online
I liked Goonzu because it taught basic economics as well as democracy. Pretty cool territory control MMO.
Ah maplestory, where glitching was a not mandatory but a large part of the game. I'm so glad I never had any extra money to buy maplebucks.
No MMO will ever have anything as soulful as the cursed swords ever again.
for me, it's kalonline
the only mmo i've ever played
my friend and I tried playing maple story in like 2006 and it was already such a microtransaction hell hole. we thought it looked so cool but could never actually do anything because we didn’t pay money. also there were way too many people for it to be 2D side scroller kek
i used to be a sexpest in mabinogi when i was like 13
somehow i got a bunch of girls to straight up send me nudes or strip in video calls, which thinking back now I was probably turning grown ass women into pedos
What's with mabinogi and sexual shit? Was it FF14 of it's time?
Who knows
Probably a mix of horny teenagers drawn to f2p stuff and a ton of actual girls playing it
Which one was the one where you can get aggro from like 10 mobs that can follow you into town? Was it Lineage? I remember people running into town screaming for help while being chased by giant spiders.
MABINOGI BROS
>full modern overhaul
>gameplay same
>you can even bring your character over as is
Ice/Lightning brothers where are we?
I went super hard on a priston private server a few months back staying top 10 for a few days but it's just brutal man, barely sleeping and eating had to quit
*sssiiiip*
Hold my beer.
Surprised that people know this gems, considered that Ganker thinks that predatory monetization started with Oblivion's horse armor.
frick of bethesda shill
OG Fiesta Apoline baby
Played back when the cap was 79
They have more soul than Current day Korean gachatrash like Nikke or Blue Archive
Ragnarok ruined my life and i thank it every day.
For me it's Shaiya
For me its Helbreath
Luniabros...
>if only you knew how bad things really are
>Dungeon Fighter Online
>Spiral Knights
>Wild Star
not all KMMO, but damn these were mmo that pissed me off via dropped balls.
Does Pangya count as an MMO?
Does anyone here remember a shitty free MMO that I think was called Aika Online. They had this system where your "faction" was your server and you could go to other servers that are like a mirror world and PvP levelers or do server wide raids.
I miss Gunbound.
Was gunbound even korean?
I miss it
i wasn't gosu enough for gunz but it was fun
Me too, but you could still kill autists just by shooting
Ich vermisse meine türkische Freunde.
Funny, it was the very first game I torrented with µTorrent back in the day and was amazed on how quickly it downloaded.
>hmm today I'm going to give an ancient barely alive mmo a whirl
>play for 10 minutes
>game gives you endgame gear and 99 level ups
why the frick do they do this
For me, it was ROSE Online. Basically just a washed down WoW clone but it absorbed countless hours of my childhood.
Honestly DFO is pretty fun nowadays with all the free stuff they've been giving out. In small bursts ofc, but still.
i loved maplestory i don't care waht you say
maplestory is grind kino suck my balls
One of the reasons I loved Lineage2 was because of my father, we used to play alternatively, he had a Dwarf Artisan and a Spoiler and I played a Gladiator I believe.
It's funny because he was pretty high level and would craft me sets of armor, if a PK would kill me while leveling, he would show up from some other PC and chase him along the dragon valley.
But at one time, I logged on with his dwarf spoiler because he had this awesome Heavy Doom Armor Set with Art of Battle Axe, but some player taunted me so hard in Giran and I was so full of myself knowing that my pop's character is powerful that we went outside and killed him outright, not knowing that if you die as a PK you lose items and I lost his Doom Chestplate. I immediately called and told my pop's that I'm a moron.
I was like 10.
Never played any of these but they have very good music