Yes, assuming the audience is there to fund them. It's similar to athletes, if you're in the top .01% and people enjoy watching you (sorry WNBA) then you deserve more than doctors
>deserve
Sorry m8 you fell for the late 20th century corporatism meme. In a free market nobody "deserves" anything. If you have something to sell whether it be experience, knowledge, or a skill then whatever money you receive is earned from current desirability/public opinion. Nothing in this world is deserved aside from certain human rights. The free market can determine at any time that sports players don't deserve shit and they stop paying $500 for 1 seat.
I'm not saying this will happen, but if you think anyone in a free market, even doctors, deserve some $ amount, then you've got economics wrong.
>free market
no such thing, things are the way they are mostly because of social influence and programming, if the marketing/influence industry wasn't so big and widespread, I'd agree with you, and it certainly holds true in certain areas of commerce, when it comes to the "attention-economy", nothing here is "free" my friend
>whatever money you receive is earned from current desirability/public opinion
then you agree with my post and just got an autism fit from the word "deserve" thinking I meant some immutable value of labor
Money never been about deserving, its all about market needs and market fills. Do you think some ethot deserve to make millions ? No. But they do. Because people pays for it.
Its really that simple.
It's never been there for esports. The pay/prizes are based entirely upon speculation and companies willing to take big loses as part of their advertising budgets. Esports has never been sustainable in its own right. Paying them like superstars was idiotic.
I think they weren't doing it for pure advertisement. These gaming tech companies wanted to artificially create their own NFL that they could entirely control by pumping in millions to esports like it was the NFL even if there wasn't really a demands for it. I remember even ESPN was trying to televise CSGO, not to mention forced shit like the Overwatch league. Turns out you can't artificially create something like the NFL.
I don't think speculation is the right word since they actually did try to artificially create leagues like the Overwatch league that failed miserably.
I hate it but this Anon is correct.
I don't see much benefit in having most youth hold that YouTubing or entertainment is the most desirable career but if the audiences want it and fund it through watching advertisements and subscriptions than you can't argue with their wages.
workers should get 90% of the profits. so if esport makes more money than hospital then it's fine if the workers there get more money than doctors in hospital
>workers should get 90% of the profits
correct. People who coded the game should get all the money. Esports Black folk should PAY the people to watch them
>Watching someone play a game is not a videogame topic
I agree on banning ecelebe threads but esports can also be played by the average Joe. It's weird we don't have threads with people talking about competitive LoL, Counter Strike or something.
It was never a thing, really. There was a time when investors thought they had a gold mine on their hands and tried to push this shit like crazy by spending an absurd amount of money trying to publicize this garbage, but it failed completely because nobody cares about e-sports, including people who play video games as a hobby.
Why should a neurosurgeon make more?
I think garbage collectors should earn more then neurosurgeons. I've never needed a neurosurgeon and I more than likely won't ever need one either. I do need my trash to be picked up once a week and the neurosurgeon won't do that.
Any homosexual and pick up garbage. Why pay them 6 figures when you can easily pick up someone off the street that will be willing to do it, with the same level of competency, for minimum wage?
Then the special homosexual surgeon can get paid the same as the garbagemen. His contribution to society is arguably less than theirs, so he doesn't deserve anything more just because he chose to do something that takes more skill.
He's not the one deciding his pay. You're a fricking moron who doesn't understand basic economics, which is why you will be paid like a garbageman at best
Why don't you just become a surgeon then? Then you can just charge as much as a salary for a garbageman, steal all the business from the other surgeons and cause a chain reaction of price correction in the whole industry.
no it doesnt, they simply defined that it does, the specialization takes 3 years and before you have 6 years of memorizing random shit that has nothing to do with your speciality
The job market is a market like any other.
You can get hundreds of lowlifes to pick up trash for peanuts, but very few people who can get the education and practice needed for the other.
Any homosexual and pick up garbage. Why pay them 6 figures when you can easily pick up someone off the street that will be willing to do it, with the same level of competency, for minimum wage?
>trash collection >minimum wage
Lmao mfs acting like trash collecting isnt a high paying union job with a shit ton of benifits
If this is leading talented people who could benefit society choosing to do something that does nothing but make them more money while not doing anything positive I think that's not good. Thing is I don't know how you'd reconfigure society to change it for the better outcome without potentially setting the stage for an even worse overall outcome.
They never made any money. What e-sports failed to understand is that most sports make their money through TV rights, which was a complete failure for e-sports cause zoomers would rather watch it on twitch
Plus real atheletes are aesthetic Adonises in peak physical form perfect for advertising a shoe or protien bar or whatever. Esports "atheletes" are a bunch of ugly doughy wite bois, hideous AGPs and skinny koraasiatics. >This will sell our Wheaties!
Also esports are pretty bad for advertisers because they don't get to flash their ads on characters and the game world. For sports to really make advertising money they should be put in front and center. Athletes are walking billboards for their sponsors and stadiums and plastered with brand logos for a reason.
People will hate to admit it, but entertainers deserve the most money. Not all entertainers, mind you, but I'm sure that you (anon reading this) have your own favorite entertainment that keeps you happy enough to not want to have a nice day. Your favorite video game designers, musicians, content creators, what have you deserve every penny they earn, right? To the people who enjoy watching esports, they're happy that players get paid enough that they can do it full-time. They do more for your mental well-being than doctors, lawyers, and scientists.
This argument will always be moronic. There is no global fund that pays people for their profession because this isn't fricking communism, we live in a capitalist society. eSports athletes get paid as much as they are worth, determine by the amount of people who want to watch them and what they are willing to pay. They are in no way protected and rely entirely on their ability.
The same can't even be said for neurosurgeons who, as history as shown, can frick up people across the country and just keep moving from state to state while being incompetent and making bank. Doctors are much more protected in their profession and have way more guarantees regarding the money they make.
Ideally? No.
Ideally people should do things themselves for entertainment, not watch other people do things. And if this were the case the entertainment industry wouldn't be so inflated and people who are actually useful to the functioning to society would get a bigger piece of the pie.
But if people actually do things themselves and dont have their attention stolen by something else, they wouldnt be able to see ads, and thus wouldnt be influenced to by products, so here we are
Apparently not if companies are willing to invest so much money in a single person. Do you really think the israelites in charge of the industry WANT to give millions to stupid teenagers?
>scientist who beat aids
The guy on the malaysian air flight that was shot down?
AIDS was just 80s covid, imagined hysteria complete with masks people still wear.
>complaining about "e-sports" making more than doctors and scientists >when some Black person dribbling a ball or rhyming about "frick whitey" is making bank
yeah, "e-sports" is the root of all this capitalistic unfairness
>athletes in regular sports make disproportionateamount of money >no one bats an eye
>new type of competition gets big and nerds start making bank >ummm maybe they shouldn't be earning so much?
Can someone explain?
>be the best of the best athletes in peak physical & mental condition in a highly competitive physical environment observed by billions >this is the same as some useless sacks of shit who plays video games all day and does nothing productive for anyone, let alone themselves
>Athletes also do nothing productive for anyone
Nuh uh
They keep the braindead masses preoccupied
Bread and circus, as long as the goyim have both they will never ask and solve the JQ
>t-they entertain people....!
Fat nerdy black dude playing atreet fighter is also doing that
>ruining your legs by cycling on a virtual bike 5 hours a day while eating pancakes >peak physical and mental condition
Believe me. I enjoy this meaningless grind of moving my muscles. But it is not peak condition.
>nooooooooo, Ngubu kicking ball totally deserves 10 gorillion a year unlike Kim In Cel who only clicks mouse
sports and e-sports spectators are both lowest of the low
You deserve what people are willing to pay you for you to do your job
No more, no less.
If you manage to convince some morons that flipping burgers entitles you to earn 10k a month, then you deserve 10k a month.
There is nothing deservant about that, replace "get" with "deserve" in your post and it becomes correct
Or are you saying that I deserve to get rich if I can convince some sucker to buy a wooden branch that I picked up off the ground? Manipulators and charlatans are then moral actors in your world view? Clearly this isnt what you believe
>complaining about "e-sports" making more than doctors and scientists >when some Black person dribbling a ball or rhyming about "frick whitey" is making bank
yeah, "e-sports" is the root of all this capitalistic unfairness
The difference is that actors and athletes are big, strong and pretty guys while e-sports people don't deserve nice things because they are ugly dorks.
Esports have already replaced sports for zoomers. The thought of watching someone play video games really puts into perspective how moronic watching sports always was.
This might be a bit of a hot take, but yes, they do. Consider, because these people are public personalities, you hear about the tip top earners way more easily than the tip top doctors, lawyers, and scientists. There's a very very small percent of them that are actually making fricking bank where as the average doctor or lawyer is making way better pay than the average sponsored e-sports gamer or streamer, has way better starting pay, and has infinitely better job security. Then think about the doctors and lawyers who are top tier concierge/private practice who work exclusively for the wealthiest people in the world. Their talents are well in demand and they are well paid for them and lifetime earnings are probably going to outclass all but the most successful e-sports competitor or streamer. It's just you are almost never going to hear about these people just like you never hear about the wealthiest say hedge fund managers. They're only going to be known by the people in their industry by word of mouth or by people who can afford them.
Why is it okay for people like athletes to be paid obscene amounts of money to play sports but not okay for gamers to be paid obscene amounts of money to play videogames?
As researcher in physics field at national institute, with 10 years of studies and PhD, variety of practical skills including wide selection of measurement techniques, I simply chose NOT to think about how various sportsmen or entertainers earn unethical amounts of money, while I earn my country monal wage. You talk about how they answer to society needs while I dont. I guess society don't need new material for fuel cells or don't need better batteries for their dumb phones.
I just hope I will have balls to kill myself around 60 or something, maybe earlier when I won't be able to afford living anymore.
STEM life sucks. At least in europe, on the off chance you actually get a job on your field, you'll be paid, like, a couple hundred euros over minimum wage. For the stress and grueling work required, both to get qualified enough and in the actual job, it's simply not worth it.
It sucks in America too. You can get the degree that everyone told you to get, but so did 10,000 indians and Chinese people that will do it for less bc their country's economy is even worse for them.
I got a bio degree and went right into landscaping, and after 1.5 years, I make now what I would make as a useless lab tech for Chang after 4 years and more debt
It's not that bad buddy. When you join a field that needs 10 smart people for every 100 morons, you move up rank pretty quickly. I'll be a manager long before then (the bio degree definitely helped at least a bit)
The money they make is directly related to the money they bring in. Either to their employer or directly from people willing to pay for their labor.
If you’ve ever been to a concert or bought an album then you contributed to their wealth. Do you really think some third party should come in and take the products of their labor and give them to you? You chose your field. If what you say is true then you have talent in mathematics which could lead to many extremely high paying jobs. You chose to do what you do knowing how much you would get paid. And you continue to choose staying there.
>The money they make is directly related to the money they bring in.
Everytime we have this discussion some smug homosexuals pop up and say "Well ge's paid what he's worth, you mad?" Society is racing toward Black persony and people call it based because it's the free market. A nation that values entertainment over innovation is right on the precipice of decay and stagnation. >And you continue to choose staying there
The frick is this sentence?
So what, anon? Do you propose we move towards a communist economic system? Because that's the only way you're getting """fair""" pay for all, as laughable as that concept is.
The person is making a choice to stay in the position where they earn less income, when they have the skills to earn much more if they chose to. Is your argument that we should take the fruits of other “less worthy” people and shower it on an educated scientific class?
Why are you even here? If entertainment has no real value and is so beneath what would be prominent in a “good” society why are you on a board full of degenerates that spend their days arguing about an entertainment medium? It seems like a person of your enormous value and intellect would be better served doing something else with your time.
>I guess society don't need new material for fuel cells or don't need better batteries for their dumb phones.
Yes but you aren't doing anything about this, you aren't using your 10 years of education into something.
Phd students always have this chip on their shoulder. They literally think they should be in charge of society because they specialized in applied physics for 10 years.
If not the teenagers then the money will go to the higher ups/investors. If you think these guys who probably already own yachts deserve a pay-rise then you're an absolute autist.
The simple answer is that '''''entertainers'''' like athletes, esporties, actors, musicians, and eprostitutes deserve to be taxed at 99% while anyone in a profession that actually contributes towards the continued existence of stable civilisation shouldn't be taxed at all.
The latter are already contributing with their actual job and lives.
The former are nothing but parasites, who benefit by far the most from having an actual stable civilisation in which to peddle their otherwise useless shit.
The money they make should be based off of the money they bring in. Football/soccer players can earn millions in their teens, but they bring in millions for their teams.
>should people be allowed to give money to people they like?
NO!!! I HATE FREEDOM!!! MAKE IT SO NOBODY CAN EVER TRADE MONEY PRIVATELY AND EVERY TRANSACTION HAS TO BE DONE AT A BANK AND TAXED OUT THE ASS!!!!!!!
Not paying a position like this a high wage is incredibly exploitative. On the top end people play their game of choice all day, all week. This is a skillset they will not be able to utilize in the next 20 years, and all the time they could have spent learning life long skills was spent being a competitor. As such, they should be compensated in line with that. It's exactly the same thing as regular sports athletes, very few can go on to make a career for themselves in something like broadcasting. Most just retire with whatever they earned, so it has to be enough for them + a family or you're just being a israelite to players.
Doctors, lawyers, scientists are all important for society, but you can't tell me at least half of them aren't just annoying know-it-alls who had more money than hardships growing up.
>they should be making a living at all
imagine a world where a bunch of useless homosexuals can survive off of playing video games in front of other people. god what a shit timeline
>You can't take steroids and be a professional athlete because its unfair to other players >You can take Adderall and be an professional esports player despite the immense advantage it gives you- in fact its so common its practically an unwritten requirement to take it
There are fewer people who can compete at the highest level in competitive games than there are that can be doctors.
If there were like 50 people that could actually do those jobs they'd make bank.
The market will decide, there are way less esports pros making that kind of money anyways so it is a bit disingenuous from the start. On a moral level though all esports players should be gassed
This is a common misconception.
Jobs don't pay you for what you produce, jobs pay you depending on how easy it is to replace you.
Absolutely necessary jobs like teachers get paid peanuts because replacing them is trivial.
World class athletes get paid orders of magnitude more because replacing them is extremely hard or outright impossible.
You could be the top in your field. A genius academic mathematician, economist, physicist, who is arguably irreplaceable for what your ground breaking theories are bringing to the field, and still get paid far less, because those discoveries don’t necessarily immediately bring in enormous amounts of income.
kek. same shit happened when snowboarding was popular in the early 2000's. Companies were paying those 16-19 year olds 15k USD a month along with travel, food and room paid for. So they basically spent all their money partying and cultivating these party culture lol.
but it's fine that prostitutes on onlyfans make more
it's fine that prostitutes on twitch make more
it's fine that prostitutes on youtube make more
it's fine that prostitutes irl make more
what a moron
People are worth whatever other people are willing to pay them. We can debate all day whether or not they "should" make more money than professions that save lives, cure diseases, etc. but that's an entirely different question based on how things "should" be, not how they actually are. I could give a frick less about e-sports and think it's mega cringe, but I'm not going to begrudge them for creating a market where sponsors are willing to pay them. That's just entrepreneurialism, which is the backbone of any free market economy.
>people itt are unironically b***hing about well paid doctors not getting paid more while offering zero solutions to the perceived issue.
Seriously, what do you propose? Should we cap everyone's income for the sake of being fair?
Yes, assuming the audience is there to fund them. It's similar to athletes, if you're in the top .01% and people enjoy watching you (sorry WNBA) then you deserve more than doctors
>deserve
Sorry m8 you fell for the late 20th century corporatism meme. In a free market nobody "deserves" anything. If you have something to sell whether it be experience, knowledge, or a skill then whatever money you receive is earned from current desirability/public opinion. Nothing in this world is deserved aside from certain human rights. The free market can determine at any time that sports players don't deserve shit and they stop paying $500 for 1 seat.
I'm not saying this will happen, but if you think anyone in a free market, even doctors, deserve some $ amount, then you've got economics wrong.
>free market
no such thing, things are the way they are mostly because of social influence and programming, if the marketing/influence industry wasn't so big and widespread, I'd agree with you, and it certainly holds true in certain areas of commerce, when it comes to the "attention-economy", nothing here is "free" my friend
>whatever money you receive is earned from current desirability/public opinion
then you agree with my post and just got an autism fit from the word "deserve" thinking I meant some immutable value of labor
You got core concepts of economy wrong
>t. macroeconomist
> The talent is capped on the money they can make
> All the money they make just go their management and CEOs instead
You're a fricking idiot
Money never been about deserving, its all about market needs and market fills. Do you think some ethot deserve to make millions ? No. But they do. Because people pays for it.
Its really that simple.
>Yes, assuming the audience is there to fund them
It's never been there for esports. The pay/prizes are based entirely upon speculation and companies willing to take big loses as part of their advertising budgets. Esports has never been sustainable in its own right. Paying them like superstars was idiotic.
I think they weren't doing it for pure advertisement. These gaming tech companies wanted to artificially create their own NFL that they could entirely control by pumping in millions to esports like it was the NFL even if there wasn't really a demands for it. I remember even ESPN was trying to televise CSGO, not to mention forced shit like the Overwatch league. Turns out you can't artificially create something like the NFL.
That's the speculation, yes.
I don't think speculation is the right word since they actually did try to artificially create leagues like the Overwatch league that failed miserably.
Black folk throwing a ball is worth maybe 5 cents as a carnival sideshow and if you think otherwise you don't belong here
Sports idiots even alpha zoomera are still paying to watch sports. Nobody pays to watch esports.
depends on the game. evo, dota, league, and csgo events all are hosted in real life venues with big name sponsors like intel or alienware or whatever
I hate it but this Anon is correct.
I don't see much benefit in having most youth hold that YouTubing or entertainment is the most desirable career but if the audiences want it and fund it through watching advertisements and subscriptions than you can't argue with their wages.
Don't care, still not buying a Razer mouse or secret chair
workers should get 90% of the profits. so if esport makes more money than hospital then it's fine if the workers there get more money than doctors in hospital
>workers should get 90% of the profits
correct. People who coded the game should get all the money. Esports Black folk should PAY the people to watch them
Are e-sports even a thing anymore? I a
Never see discussion here about e-sports I thought they were dead
>Here
Nobody plays or knows anything about games in this shithole
Esports are not nor have they ever been videogames. Watching someone play a game is not a videogame topic.
>Watching someone play a game is not a videogame topic
I agree on banning ecelebe threads but esports can also be played by the average Joe. It's weird we don't have threads with people talking about competitive LoL, Counter Strike or something.
It was never a thing, really. There was a time when investors thought they had a gold mine on their hands and tried to push this shit like crazy by spending an absurd amount of money trying to publicize this garbage, but it failed completely because nobody cares about e-sports, including people who play video games as a hobby.
Why should a neurosurgeon make more?
I think garbage collectors should earn more then neurosurgeons. I've never needed a neurosurgeon and I more than likely won't ever need one either. I do need my trash to be picked up once a week and the neurosurgeon won't do that.
Any homosexual and pick up garbage. Why pay them 6 figures when you can easily pick up someone off the street that will be willing to do it, with the same level of competency, for minimum wage?
Then the special homosexual surgeon can get paid the same as the garbagemen. His contribution to society is arguably less than theirs, so he doesn't deserve anything more just because he chose to do something that takes more skill.
He's not the one deciding his pay. You're a fricking moron who doesn't understand basic economics, which is why you will be paid like a garbageman at best
Since when is pay decided by "contribution to society"? If it was, then people like teachers, nurses, etc. would be the highest paid, yet they're not.
>teachers, nurses
>contribution to society
education is important, yes
of course you wouldn't know, Black person
~~*education*~~
post your dissertation moron
look Jamal, just because you hate school doesn't mean people with an IQ of 85 or higher think it's useless
Why don't you just become a surgeon then? Then you can just charge as much as a salary for a garbageman, steal all the business from the other surgeons and cause a chain reaction of price correction in the whole industry.
Because I'd kill every patient on purpose.
Anyone can pick up trash but it takes like 10 years of studying and practice to be a neurosurgeon
>it takes like 10 years
no it doesnt, they simply defined that it does, the specialization takes 3 years and before you have 6 years of memorizing random shit that has nothing to do with your speciality
Post your neurology dissertation
Oh that's right you barely finished high school, don't talk about shit you know nothing about
The job market is a market like any other.
You can get hundreds of lowlifes to pick up trash for peanuts, but very few people who can get the education and practice needed for the other.
Risk is high. Damaging some nerve has a lot of consequences.
I know there's insurance but still
Hmm thats got me wondering, what do neurosurgeons think of onlyfan females making more than them?
>Why should a neurosurgeon make more?
They save lives, the other plays video games?
>trash collection
>minimum wage
Lmao mfs acting like trash collecting isnt a high paying union job with a shit ton of benifits
sure thing
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537081.htm
If this is leading talented people who could benefit society choosing to do something that does nothing but make them more money while not doing anything positive I think that's not good. Thing is I don't know how you'd reconfigure society to change it for the better outcome without potentially setting the stage for an even worse overall outcome.
I really don't think the money that gets spent on Esports is the biggest waste of money we should tackle first as a society.
Arguably most gamers have better hand eye coordination than the old boomer with the shakes putting a knife to your brain.
This moron thinks it's ok for an actor to make more than neurosurgeons?
You should make x% of the revenue you bring in. This is why actors and athletes make so much money.
le hot take shill thread
If you become a doctor, you should be in it for helping people and not the money.
Respectsble, but I've never met a doctor, especially specialists, that did it for anything other than the money
t. not a doctor
What happened to esport orgs?
They never made any money. What e-sports failed to understand is that most sports make their money through TV rights, which was a complete failure for e-sports cause zoomers would rather watch it on twitch
How can they not have made any money?
Plus real atheletes are aesthetic Adonises in peak physical form perfect for advertising a shoe or protien bar or whatever. Esports "atheletes" are a bunch of ugly doughy wite bois, hideous AGPs and skinny koraasiatics.
>This will sell our Wheaties!
Also esports are pretty bad for advertisers because they don't get to flash their ads on characters and the game world. For sports to really make advertising money they should be put in front and center. Athletes are walking billboards for their sponsors and stadiums and plastered with brand logos for a reason.
People will hate to admit it, but entertainers deserve the most money. Not all entertainers, mind you, but I'm sure that you (anon reading this) have your own favorite entertainment that keeps you happy enough to not want to have a nice day. Your favorite video game designers, musicians, content creators, what have you deserve every penny they earn, right? To the people who enjoy watching esports, they're happy that players get paid enough that they can do it full-time. They do more for your mental well-being than doctors, lawyers, and scientists.
This argument will always be moronic. There is no global fund that pays people for their profession because this isn't fricking communism, we live in a capitalist society. eSports athletes get paid as much as they are worth, determine by the amount of people who want to watch them and what they are willing to pay. They are in no way protected and rely entirely on their ability.
The same can't even be said for neurosurgeons who, as history as shown, can frick up people across the country and just keep moving from state to state while being incompetent and making bank. Doctors are much more protected in their profession and have way more guarantees regarding the money they make.
>eSports athletes get paid as much as they are worth, determine by the amount of people who want to watch them and what they are willing to pay.
lmao
Ideally? No.
Ideally people should do things themselves for entertainment, not watch other people do things. And if this were the case the entertainment industry wouldn't be so inflated and people who are actually useful to the functioning to society would get a bigger piece of the pie.
But if people actually do things themselves and dont have their attention stolen by something else, they wouldnt be able to see ads, and thus wouldnt be influenced to by products, so here we are
If laughter is the best medicine, then professional entertainers are saving more lives than doctors and pharmacists can
Don't like esports, but if they generate the money they should be given their fair share.
The alternative is suits making even more.
>All this zoomer moronic replies
Entertainers are easily replaceable by other activities. You can't replace the work of a neurosurgeon.
Apparently not if companies are willing to invest so much money in a single person. Do you really think the israelites in charge of the industry WANT to give millions to stupid teenagers?
Stop calling it sports
Soccer players and other sports already do. Clown world.
>people know some famous soccer player
>nobody knows the scientists who beat aids
CLOWN WORLD
>scientist who beat aids
The guy on the malaysian air flight that was shot down?
AIDS was just 80s covid, imagined hysteria complete with masks people still wear.
>be the best of the best athletes in peak physical & mental condition in a highly competitive physical environment observed by billions
>this is the same as some useless sacks of shit who plays video games all day and does nothing productive for anyone, let alone themselves
Athletes also do nothing productive for anyone
>t-they entertain people....!
Fat nerdy black dude playing atreet fighter is also doing that
>Athletes also do nothing productive for anyone
Nuh uh
They keep the braindead masses preoccupied
Bread and circus, as long as the goyim have both they will never ask and solve the JQ
>ruining your legs by cycling on a virtual bike 5 hours a day while eating pancakes
>peak physical and mental condition
Believe me. I enjoy this meaningless grind of moving my muscles. But it is not peak condition.
>nooooooooo, Ngubu kicking ball totally deserves 10 gorillion a year unlike Kim In Cel who only clicks mouse
sports and e-sports spectators are both lowest of the low
You deserve what people are willing to pay you for you to do your job
No more, no less.
If you manage to convince some morons that flipping burgers entitles you to earn 10k a month, then you deserve 10k a month.
There is nothing deservant about that, replace "get" with "deserve" in your post and it becomes correct
Or are you saying that I deserve to get rich if I can convince some sucker to buy a wooden branch that I picked up off the ground? Manipulators and charlatans are then moral actors in your world view? Clearly this isnt what you believe
>complaining about "e-sports" making more than doctors and scientists
>when some Black person dribbling a ball or rhyming about "frick whitey" is making bank
yeah, "e-sports" is the root of all this capitalistic unfairness
>athletes in regular sports make disproportionateamount of money
>no one bats an eye
>new type of competition gets big and nerds start making bank
>ummm maybe they shouldn't be earning so much?
Can someone explain?
The difference is that actors and athletes are big, strong and pretty guys while e-sports people don't deserve nice things because they are ugly dorks.
>athletes are big, strong and pretty guys while e-sports people don't deserve nice things because they are ugly dorks.
This but unironically.
Lots of people complain about how much players get for "just kicking a ball around a field".
Esports have already replaced sports for zoomers. The thought of watching someone play video games really puts into perspective how moronic watching sports always was.
This might be a bit of a hot take, but yes, they do. Consider, because these people are public personalities, you hear about the tip top earners way more easily than the tip top doctors, lawyers, and scientists. There's a very very small percent of them that are actually making fricking bank where as the average doctor or lawyer is making way better pay than the average sponsored e-sports gamer or streamer, has way better starting pay, and has infinitely better job security. Then think about the doctors and lawyers who are top tier concierge/private practice who work exclusively for the wealthiest people in the world. Their talents are well in demand and they are well paid for them and lifetime earnings are probably going to outclass all but the most successful e-sports competitor or streamer. It's just you are almost never going to hear about these people just like you never hear about the wealthiest say hedge fund managers. They're only going to be known by the people in their industry by word of mouth or by people who can afford them.
Defund all sports, even the monkey ones
After covid yes it's clear they're useless and you can't afford surgery anyway
no sports should, I don't care how well you can fondle any type of ball. its moronic and people follow it like religion
why not? basketball players get paid 30 million a year
Why is it okay for people like athletes to be paid obscene amounts of money to play sports but not okay for gamers to be paid obscene amounts of money to play videogames?
As researcher in physics field at national institute, with 10 years of studies and PhD, variety of practical skills including wide selection of measurement techniques, I simply chose NOT to think about how various sportsmen or entertainers earn unethical amounts of money, while I earn my country monal wage. You talk about how they answer to society needs while I dont. I guess society don't need new material for fuel cells or don't need better batteries for their dumb phones.
I just hope I will have balls to kill myself around 60 or something, maybe earlier when I won't be able to afford living anymore.
>I deserve more because... I KNOW HOW TO MEASURE THINGS!!
STEM life sucks. At least in europe, on the off chance you actually get a job on your field, you'll be paid, like, a couple hundred euros over minimum wage. For the stress and grueling work required, both to get qualified enough and in the actual job, it's simply not worth it.
It sucks in America too. You can get the degree that everyone told you to get, but so did 10,000 indians and Chinese people that will do it for less bc their country's economy is even worse for them.
I got a bio degree and went right into landscaping, and after 1.5 years, I make now what I would make as a useless lab tech for Chang after 4 years and more debt
Hopefully you're adequately compensated for hard physical labor that will force you to retire in your late 40s.
It's not that bad buddy. When you join a field that needs 10 smart people for every 100 morons, you move up rank pretty quickly. I'll be a manager long before then (the bio degree definitely helped at least a bit)
The money they make is directly related to the money they bring in. Either to their employer or directly from people willing to pay for their labor.
If you’ve ever been to a concert or bought an album then you contributed to their wealth. Do you really think some third party should come in and take the products of their labor and give them to you? You chose your field. If what you say is true then you have talent in mathematics which could lead to many extremely high paying jobs. You chose to do what you do knowing how much you would get paid. And you continue to choose staying there.
>The money they make is directly related to the money they bring in.
Everytime we have this discussion some smug homosexuals pop up and say "Well ge's paid what he's worth, you mad?" Society is racing toward Black persony and people call it based because it's the free market. A nation that values entertainment over innovation is right on the precipice of decay and stagnation.
>And you continue to choose staying there
The frick is this sentence?
So what, anon? Do you propose we move towards a communist economic system? Because that's the only way you're getting """fair""" pay for all, as laughable as that concept is.
The person is making a choice to stay in the position where they earn less income, when they have the skills to earn much more if they chose to. Is your argument that we should take the fruits of other “less worthy” people and shower it on an educated scientific class?
Why are you even here? If entertainment has no real value and is so beneath what would be prominent in a “good” society why are you on a board full of degenerates that spend their days arguing about an entertainment medium? It seems like a person of your enormous value and intellect would be better served doing something else with your time.
>Makes more money than me
>Is smarter and worked harder than me
>still bitter about everything
Attitude issue.
>researcher in physics field at national institute
go private
>I guess society don't need new material for fuel cells or don't need better batteries for their dumb phones.
Yes but you aren't doing anything about this, you aren't using your 10 years of education into something.
Phd students always have this chip on their shoulder. They literally think they should be in charge of society because they specialized in applied physics for 10 years.
If not the teenagers then the money will go to the higher ups/investors. If you think these guys who probably already own yachts deserve a pay-rise then you're an absolute autist.
The simple answer is that '''''entertainers'''' like athletes, esporties, actors, musicians, and eprostitutes deserve to be taxed at 99% while anyone in a profession that actually contributes towards the continued existence of stable civilisation shouldn't be taxed at all.
The latter are already contributing with their actual job and lives.
The former are nothing but parasites, who benefit by far the most from having an actual stable civilisation in which to peddle their otherwise useless shit.
Why not, Black folk who play hoopball do.
The money they make should be based off of the money they bring in. Football/soccer players can earn millions in their teens, but they bring in millions for their teams.
That money belongs to the government.
>teenagers probably shouldn't make more than neurosurgeons
Why?
>should people be allowed to give money to people they like?
NO!!! I HATE FREEDOM!!! MAKE IT SO NOBODY CAN EVER TRADE MONEY PRIVATELY AND EVERY TRANSACTION HAS TO BE DONE AT A BANK AND TAXED OUT THE ASS!!!!!!!
Should football or handegg players make more than doctors, lawyers and scientists?
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Not paying a position like this a high wage is incredibly exploitative. On the top end people play their game of choice all day, all week. This is a skillset they will not be able to utilize in the next 20 years, and all the time they could have spent learning life long skills was spent being a competitor. As such, they should be compensated in line with that. It's exactly the same thing as regular sports athletes, very few can go on to make a career for themselves in something like broadcasting. Most just retire with whatever they earned, so it has to be enough for them + a family or you're just being a israelite to players.
It's really up to the market to decide that. People really like being entertained and that's been the case for millennia.
They should make whatever they can.
Doctors, lawyers, scientists are all important for society, but you can't tell me at least half of them aren't just annoying know-it-alls who had more money than hardships growing up.
>they should be making a living at all
imagine a world where a bunch of useless homosexuals can survive off of playing video games in front of other people. god what a shit timeline
>You can't take steroids and be a professional athlete because its unfair to other players
>You can take Adderall and be an professional esports player despite the immense advantage it gives you- in fact its so common its practically an unwritten requirement to take it
Why not, the quantity of e-athletes that earned $100 in their career is much less than employees in a city the hospital
There are fewer people who can compete at the highest level in competitive games than there are that can be doctors.
If there were like 50 people that could actually do those jobs they'd make bank.
The market will decide, there are way less esports pros making that kind of money anyways so it is a bit disingenuous from the start. On a moral level though all esports players should be gassed
yes, why not?
if someone's up to pay them for it, then yea
This is a common misconception.
Jobs don't pay you for what you produce, jobs pay you depending on how easy it is to replace you.
Absolutely necessary jobs like teachers get paid peanuts because replacing them is trivial.
World class athletes get paid orders of magnitude more because replacing them is extremely hard or outright impossible.
Pubic school teachers get paid like shit because they are just baby sitters. A college professor gets paid better because he is an actual educator.
why dont we just pay teachers more so the standards are higher?
It’s a mix of both.
You could be the top in your field. A genius academic mathematician, economist, physicist, who is arguably irreplaceable for what your ground breaking theories are bringing to the field, and still get paid far less, because those discoveries don’t necessarily immediately bring in enormous amounts of income.
kek. same shit happened when snowboarding was popular in the early 2000's. Companies were paying those 16-19 year olds 15k USD a month along with travel, food and room paid for. So they basically spent all their money partying and cultivating these party culture lol.
No but I don't blame pro gamers for the failures of capitalism. By all means get that money.
Millennials are pathetic. All you weakass homies do is complain and contribute nothing to the world.
>and contribute nothing to the world.
that's your race
But enough about boomers.
but it's fine that prostitutes on onlyfans make more
it's fine that prostitutes on twitch make more
it's fine that prostitutes on youtube make more
it's fine that prostitutes irl make more
what a moron
People are worth whatever other people are willing to pay them. We can debate all day whether or not they "should" make more money than professions that save lives, cure diseases, etc. but that's an entirely different question based on how things "should" be, not how they actually are. I could give a frick less about e-sports and think it's mega cringe, but I'm not going to begrudge them for creating a market where sponsors are willing to pay them. That's just entrepreneurialism, which is the backbone of any free market economy.
>people itt are unironically b***hing about well paid doctors not getting paid more while offering zero solutions to the perceived issue.
Seriously, what do you propose? Should we cap everyone's income for the sake of being fair?
>a Twitter screencap that makes sense
Great, so now when are normal sports organizations going to realize this too?
>It's not fair!!!1
who cares
>they just buy cocaine for it
who cares
>WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!??!+++
who cares