It's not just the characters. EE changes encounters to give you freebie equipment and dumb shit like that. >there's one fake Flaming Fist guy for an early plate that is out of reach gp-wise at that point as a strong early secret on par with the hidden ring at the friendly arm inn >EE adds two extras just to give you three early plate instead
They really didn't know what they were doing.
You could also deck a Watcher in Candlekeep to get the plate armor.
That does sound pathetic though. The difficulty was a feature, not a bug, and if you make the game combat too trivial it is basically a visual novel like the other anon said.
Yes, but play the original and not the Beamdog "Enhanced" aka pozzed versions that turn the game balance into dogshit and infuses their own characters, including trannies, into good old fantasy games.
First game is best played as a Fighter for the survivability since they made the MC die = game over for some godforsaken reason (everyone else can be rezzed). Use bows at a distance before going into close combat.
>UI and QoL
fricking lol bad bait. The UI in particular is shit. >go back to the older games
BG3 has nothing to do with BG1 and BG2 both of which are AD&D, a completely radically different system from "modern" "D&D". (that isn't even remotely compatible with 99% of D&D content)
It's a Divinity Original Sin reskin at it's core.
This. I've literally had dreams of it. Some fights were just too exciting. I wish there was an action RPG that focused purely on spellcasting with RTwP.
I played BG1 for about an hour before i got bored
There is barely anything you can do in this game
In Pathfinder you get from lv1 hundreds of ways to customize your character and make him feel unique even if you go with the Standard Male Human Fighter You can make him a teamplayer with the teamwork feats and absolutly shread through enemys with your loyal companion on your side or make him an expert fighting machine capable to take out multiple enemys with advanced technics
In BG all you do is go to the enemy and hit it until its dead
Why would i want options more advanced than goint to enemy and hitting it in my roleplaying game?
It´s okay boomer im sure your caretakers take good care of you after you lost the mentall capacitys to undertake an action more complex than pissing yourself
And AD&D is a terrible system for a computer game
If you make a game you should make your own system ot tweak it so that it doesnt become a slog to play
Then use the 4th Edition if you want a good bing bang wahoo system.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Be on the bing bing wahoo board >Discuss bing bing wahoo adaption of a traditional table top game >Mention how it´s terrible as a bing bing wahoo product >Somehow this is a good thing
BG is just an over glorified visual novel and everyone who pretends it isn´t is a brainlet afraid of games with actual gameplay
9 months ago
Anonymous
cope Jarpigshitter
9 months ago
Anonymous
You either don't know what visual novels are or don't know how BG1 plays.
No, I 100% honestly would not recommend playing any crpg at this point in time. Just let the genre die. It's not worth getting into. Play better games instead.
>set up your party
There's nothing to set up, you just turn into a jelly. They even give you a cape that does it so you don't even need the spell. Invalidates 75% of encounters in the game.
What is the fricking difference? You're an invincible god mary sue right out the gate and all mechanics are broken ideas that don't work instead of functional mechanics and you just walk around collecting lore dumps in a game thats only 2/3s of the way finished. Its game that you pretend is good because of its half baked ideas, just like bethesda shit. What kind of complete fricking moron likes arcanum?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Skyrim has no real character building, its an extremely simple and shallow game. Arcanum has complex character building and a huge amount of freedom and choice like any good RPG. Its combat being mediocre doesn't mean its anything like Skyrim
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Skyrim has no real character building
Neither does arcanum lmao, 3/4 of the feats are just different flavors of the same thing and they're all broken with little to no impact on the game. Just like elder scrolls it's pretending things do something meaningful when they dont.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Comparing each games skills is ludicrous because Skyrim barely has any and scaled down significantly from Morrowind. Arcanum has all sorts of skills including a fully fleshed out speech skill. Skyrim is a bad action game where everyone plays as a stealth archer
9 months ago
Anonymous
Morrowind and Skyrim are the same thing lmao. Morrowind is arguably even dumber. In morrowind everyone is a spellsword, except not really because the game revolves around abusing enchanted items it throws at you like candy until you're enough of a meat head you can one shot everything with a single melee swing, which takes about a whopping 5 levels to hit the stat cap. (About an hour into the game) It's all mechanical bloat with tons of broken systems fighting against one another. Like 90% of the shit in morrowind is just hamfisted in there for advertising. Just like "you can climb that mountain" and "infinite quests" morrowind is full of half assed and dissapointing features.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Can't deny that Morrowind is easy to break but it doesn't treat players as idiots like Skyrim. Not to mention its writing and world being far better
9 months ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't treat players as idiots like Skyrim.
Yes it does lmao, if gives you 60k gold for free at the very start of the game, even skyrim is not that handholdy. >Not to mention its writing and world being far better
Morrowind has terrible writing and 100% focuses on detailing mythology ripped from the Glorantha setting while neglecting the world itself, which is static and dead. That's not good world building.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes it does lmao
It hardly does lol. It doesn't have any braindead modern features of current games >Morrowind has terrible writing
Whats your example of good writing from an RPG? Because Morrowind's is leagues ahead of Skyrim >which is static and dead.
Only visually due to the outdated engine. The writing is what makes it alive
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pic
All the main quests are pre-marked on your map and you have a magic GPS that tells you your location at all times, and waypoints hardly make a difference when every quest is just can levitate and auto-run in a cardinal direction. This is exactly the dishonest snake oil I'm talking about. >Only visually due to the outdated engine. The writing is what makes it alive
No, you are literally pretending it's not a shit game because you've built up an image in your head that doesn't match with the game at all.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>is just can levitate and auto-run in a cardinal direction.
That happens much later and you don't even have to do it. You are also missing the point. Morrowind lacks waypoints so the world design is based around landmarks and information gathering. It makes exploration organic. In Skyrim, thanks to the waypoint the word design makes no attempt at making players pay attention to their surroundings. They just walk straight to their destination >you are literally pretending it's not a shit game
How am I pretending? I don't even think Morrowind is in the top 20 best RPGs but its far more competently designed than Skyrim
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That happens much later
It happens pretty much immediately. >and you don't even have to do it.
Progression in morrowind is an exercise in eliminating tedium. All elder scrolls games have excruciatingly terrible gameplay so it becomes about taking the path of least resistance and if you don't do this the game will punish you for it by breaking or at the very least giving you an utterly moronic and poorly designed quest that you could otherwise just blitz through. "Well just don't do it" is not an argument when the game is fundamentally bad.
9 months ago
Anonymous
True words. I played a pure destruction wizard in vanilla Skyrim, and the game progressively punished me by scaling the enemies into bullet sponges.
9 months ago
Anonymous
To add. I thought it was absolutely insane. What kind of developer would design it that way? I had come from Gothic 2 NOTR, where you start off incredibly weak and in the end get your reward of being able to kill enemies quickly. But then I realized that Bethesda just doesn't give a frick about progression, and only designed like 5% of the game well so that everyone who buys it would have good time for the couple of days they play it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>giving you an utterly moronic and poorly designed quest
Not in Morrowind
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes in morrowind. You just didn't realize it because you were flying and fast traveling everywhere. Morrowind has an assload of quests where it's like "go to the shop on the other side of the continent and buy 3 bars of soap" or "loot this copy-paste closet sized dungeon on an island in the middle of nowhere with 2 skeletons in it" for a reward of like 10 gold that only exist to pad out questlines, just like every other elder scrolls game. Like when you are just doing a quest to get to the next quest we have a big problem.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>its another gay complaining about muh fetch quests
Stick to Skyrim buddy
9 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Morrowind is way more than just fetch quests
9 months ago
Anonymous
You sound very excited for Elder Scrolls 6. Lol. I bet the game's amazing designs will blow your mind.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't even buy skyrim and I won't be playing any Bethesda game ever again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
C'mon, you don't want to clear any bandit hideouts in Starfield? There will be countless of Radiant Bandit Hideouts in Starfield.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Radiant design would be good if there was actually a reason to do it that wasn't arbitrary progression gating. Like the a-life in stalker is good. But it doesn't work in Bethesda games because the world has zero obstacles and travel and combat are boring. This isn't true of all rpgs, like if you play knights of the chalice that's entire grognard battle chess where the main appeal is 20 minute long encounters, similiarly stalker is a game about resource management and tense gunfights, something it owes to its survival horror roots rather than RPGs. However, rpgs have gone the direction of bethesda and bioware, so the genre has no value and will continue to get worse until normies get bored and it dies again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>All the main quests are pre-marked on your map
No they aren't. The only map markings in Morrowind are the cities after you've visited them.
There's multiple quests including in the main questline that are a pain in the ass to find like the Cavern of the Incarnate or that one cave tomb for one of the tribes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>No they aren't. The only map markings in Morrowind are the cities after you've visited them.
No they aren't, you complete moron. For every single main quest you can just talk to a scout and they'll pre-mark the quest location. ALL of the main quests work like this.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>For every single main quest you can just talk to a scout and they'll pre-mark the quest location.
lol spoken like someone who definitely hasn't played the game. Most have no scout markers, hell even if you use cheats to reveal the map most locations aren't on there.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>i-it doesn't just trust me bro
9 months ago
Anonymous
Quest marker is good for Bethesda games because you can easily tell when a quest script didn't fire.
9 months ago
Anonymous
morrowind and skyrim have the same writing quality IE dogshit >morrowind is special because you have to make a character and cant be gm of all the guides
GFTO morrowindgay all this is wrong and morrowind sucks my nuts
9 months ago
Anonymous
Skyrim is complete dogshit. Don't compare a genuinely decent RPG like Morrowind to it.
Also the women are mostly women, not 3/4 of the romances are butch warriors. The npc roster is much more classical in that sense, no weirdos everywhere like in BG3.
It used to be a joke item. Edwin being shapeshifted into a woman in BG2 was also a joke.
We laughed about that nonsense back in the day, because it was so ridiculous. Fast forward 25 years and nobody is laughing anymore, mentally ill troons are everywhere and degenerated leftoids worship them.
>europe out of nowhere
buckbroken much troonchaser?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Troons are no less a protected class in yurop than in israeliteistan, let's not lie to ourselves. Caroline Farrow is still in deep shit because she dared to question the troon menace while living in the UK.
I just played BG1 for the first time and its extremely boring game. My MC was a fighter, so in the 40hours I played NOTHING happened character development vice. I got better THAC0 and AC, more attacks and weapon proficiency, but thats nothing. The story starts moving at the last third of the game if that and most of the time you are killing kobolds or bandits.
I still somewhat enjoyed it, since it has some of the d&d magic of wandering in random areas killing monsters, finding loot and doing extremely short quests etc.
BG is more fun as a spellcaster, it's pretty boring as a fighter and extremely boring if you use bows, since ranged weapons are OP in that game.
Magic is rare in the early game, and most wizards are essentially bosses given how much higher level and more spells they have than you. Tranzig, the assassin in Friendly Arm, is like Level 4 with several Level 2 spells known, that you can't get early game.
Spending the game always on the backseat, hunting for the spell scrolls and needing tactics so you don't get mogged by wolves is very fun. So is learning the cheese like Cloudkill + Sleeping Gas or Flame Arrowing Drizzt from across the lake.
I literally beat the game as a wizard when I was 13, so this is wrong.
Wizards are hard mode but the entire spell economy and how matchups flip using magic make it a completely different game.
It's also different if you go in as an evil character. I partied with Xzar and Montaron over Khaleid and Jaheira, knowing that I couldn't beat Tranzig, and the game shifts dramatically going south instead of north so early.
I thought so too, but that's because you didn't read or experiment with the spells. Once you do that though with a couple of crowd control spells it becomes way easier. Don't just fill your slots with magic missile and acid arrow.
>BG is more fun as a spellcaster, it's pretty boring as a fighter
The BG1 experience as a spellcaster (except maybe Cleric/Fighter multiclass dwarf) is avoiding combat as much as possible with your char and plinking off your one spell so as not to get instagibbed and have to reload because if your char dies you instantly get game overed. Terrible design choice.
Early game, you need to party with tanks or else you die to a sneeze. The game even tells you to get friends ASAP. But once you hit Level 4 and get access to Level 3 spells combat opens up for you.
Baldur's Gate 2 is more of the same, but its a lot easier since you have more spells available along with the full library from 1-5 at the start of the game.
I played BG 1 and 2 for the first time back when I was 16 and BG 1 is still my favorite game of all time.
(Don't really like the direction they went with 2 but I still liked it, just too railroady for me post chapter 2/3)
Also, some components from Tactics, but don't install any components similar to Stratagems.
All shit for people who've played it already. No one should be modding anything on the first playthrough.
where do you even find the originals these days
Either buy it off GOG (comes with original installer as an option) or pirate "Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga" and "Baldur's Gate 2 Complete" off GOG-Games.
I think these zoomers need a harsh reality check for the way they talk on this forum. Just with Stratagems and Revised Battles I would love to see their faces when they run into some big battle.
NPCs are only a part of the problem. They redid a bunch of balancing, changed encounters, adds BG2 classes & kits (which trivialize a lot of BG1 content) and so on.
Basically don't use EE. Ever.
Although to be fair, a sorcerer in a 6 man party is fine on normal mode. It's when you gain all of the xp for one character that you get spells you shouldn't be getting.
BG1 is miserable to play and the characters barely have a personality. AD&D is a fricking terrible system to put in a videogame and you actively fight the level design.
BG2 jettisons the only good part of BG1 (the open world) but fixes a lot of BG1's problems so it's less of a chore to play. Characters interact, areas are more open, so on. It's kind of a mess story wise and still AD&D but it's at least enjoyable.
I did actually install that, so there was something to get me through the game. And it doesn't make picrel any more tolerable. Installed the Imoen romance mod too for BG2, even if you don't frick her it gives her some life due to the last minute changes.
You should, they are much better games than 3.
Play 2 last because otherwise 1 will seem unbearable. Baldur's Gate 2 is legit one of the best RPGs ever made.
i got bg1 a few weeks ago since i wanted to play 3 and have never played a bg before
it's a really fun time, though a bit overwhelming with the terminology and mechanics but you'll pick it up quick
would recommend
You are supposed to cast blind on tough enemies and buff up your tank. 1 point of AC can make a huge difference. How are you getting filtered by this absolute diaper game?
There's a giant wizard mansion you can access immediately in the first chapter which has all manner of scrolls and wands called high hedge estate or something like that. Also worth mentioning that the "meta" of bg1 is wand usage. Any class that can use wands is automatically the best class in the game, so might want to stock up on those.
Leveling in AD&D does take a while.
You should have a full party with a decent setup like multiple fighters at the front and using bows before closing in on the enemy.
And find enemies you can take-on like don't fight Nereids when you should be fighting Xvarts.
Some possible party members are a LOT stronger than others. (remember that Evil and Good doesn't mix well though)
I'm playing BG1 right now and I just turned on easy mode, made a random character I like and a party I liked and auto battle my way through, don't care.
I used to do that back when I played DA Origins but I don't have the time anymore now that I have work and everything. I want to know the story and it's that or a YouTube video.
>I want to know the story and it's that or a YouTube video.
Read a summary since it's faster than both, and you clearly don't like the video game part.
Above is all you really need.
cdtweaks is extra stuff that more vigoriously changes the base game. If you don't understand what it's asking to change, then don't change it. For a first playthrough, I'd skip it, but I'm linking it for others or the future.
Resolution mod. YOU NEED BOTH, OR NONE. Personally, I'm just lowering my monitor resolution, but here you go. Keep in mind the TWM_GUI has a limited amount of resolution options, so check that first before installing widescreen.
Widescreen 3.07 (UNINSTALL BEFORE CHANGING MODS)
http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/
>mods that change rewards and rep damage yet calls themselves fixes
ugh
Honestly BG has so few bugs with official update patches that stuff isn't really necessary.
9 months ago
Anonymous
BG1 has so many weird bugs. >If Khalid is recruited by a level 1 Gorion's Ward in the original Baldur's Gate, his intelligence will have a score of 12 only; if recruited later, it will always be 15.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I know Infinity Engine, likely what happened is the script on that map replaces Khaleid/Jaheria to scale with your level, but each version is a different character in the database.
Someone likely typo'd for Khaleid's intelligence and once you recruit him once, the script doesnt populate the defaults at Friendly Arm again.
honestly RTWP combat in BG games feels very tactical, played a lot of isometric rpg and they all had combat which was just afterthought, while playing BG1/2 it feels closer to jagged alliance than usual rpg jank.
In both bg games is just auto attacking everything to death. Sometimes in bg1 you have to cast web, in bg2 that's not even necessary and you can shred through everything with meteors. It's not tactical at all.
No mods are essential, hell I would argue some changes like the Cloak of Mirrors in TOB ruined the item.
Ascension is more popular than vanilla TOB but I personally don't care for it.
>If I play OG 1 and 2, what are absolutely essential mods for Baldur's Gate?
None.
Modding is for replays and frankly most of them suck and just make playing it either trivial or a chore.
The only mod I would even consider is Gibberlings3 widescreen mod and ONLY if you have a widescreen monitor where the regular resolutions look fricked up.
Thanks for the inputs anons. I'll grab the games off GOG and play vanilla.
>If I play OG 1 and 2, what are absolutely essential mods for Baldur's Gate?
None.
Modding is for replays and frankly most of them suck and just make playing it either trivial or a chore.
The only mod I would even consider is Gibberlings3 widescreen mod and ONLY if you have a widescreen monitor where the regular resolutions look fricked up.
yes mod which removes NPC added by beamdog homosexuals
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/43074/mod-convenient-enhanced-edition-npcs-for-bg-ee-sod-and-bg2-ee
Paladins get fun gameplay wise when you can cast cleric spells at level 9. Personally I've had the most fun with sorcerer, mage/theif, fighter/theif, and fighter/druid
I played as an evil Necromancer who tries to punsh out all his enemies
The Flaming Fist Battle Wizard casts Ghoul Touch, if you kill him after he casts it, his hand becomes an equipable item
So I spent most of the game trying to punsh out enemies with the paralyzed hand of a dead Flaming Fist
>played ID, Arcanum, PS:T, Fallout etc, but never played BG1/2. >decide to play it >get to the tavern and meet some people there >"yeah let's just do whatever" >no idea where to go
is there's a guide kinda thing that willl suggest a general course of action, but won't outright tell me what to do?
I literally don't get it, people today beg for open world gameplay, once you get an old game with it you don't know what to do?
When I was 13, the first thing I did in BG1 was go to a tavern and get smashed
Then I tried to punch out the bartender and got killed
Sure.
I'd say yes but it's now a troony zoophilia franchise.
play Fallout 1 and 2 instead and leave israelite's Gate alone
>wants to avoid a troony community
>suggests playing fallout
CHUDs really are brainless, huh?
Only the Bethesda ones are plagued by troons
Same goes BG1 & 2. Just play the originals from GOG or ignore the EE characters and content (that added nothing worthwhile anyways)
It's not just the characters. EE changes encounters to give you freebie equipment and dumb shit like that.
>there's one fake Flaming Fist guy for an early plate that is out of reach gp-wise at that point as a strong early secret on par with the hidden ring at the friendly arm inn
>EE adds two extras just to give you three early plate instead
They really didn't know what they were doing.
You could also deck a Watcher in Candlekeep to get the plate armor.
That does sound pathetic though. The difficulty was a feature, not a bug, and if you make the game combat too trivial it is basically a visual novel like the other anon said.
Yes, they're good games. Play Planescape Torment too.
Dumb /misc/tard
Dumb /leftypol/tard
VGH IMOEN SEXO
I turned Imoen into a dude by mistake and left her hanging where you get the monk dude
>give imoen pp
>plapplapplap
Based Imoen appreciator dabbing on morons from the fence.
POV: (You) are telling Imoen a story about trollops and plugtails
Hot Imogen.
Annoyed me you couldn't frick Imoen, find out you're half siblings later, and just go well dick's already in this deep, might as well finish the job
She doesn't even get banter because she was meant to be dead
>bg is a troony game
>suggests fallout
lol, lmao even
it took me 4 tries over the years to get into bg1(had 0 idea about dnd rules) but eventually I read manual and loved the game
Play Icewind Dale instead
you should fricking have a nice day
you too. touch grass you piece of shit incel
Reminder that God created hellfire for Satan and sons of Israel (You) :^)
>>>/x/
Yeah, israelites deny the existence of hell because it reminds them of their ultimate fate :^)
Reminded Christianity was a cult invented by israelites to control morons
If you do, play them before BG3. You won't be able to play BG3 with its modern graphics, UI and QoL, and be able to go back to the older games.
And not a single reason given why that is the case. You merely said stupid shit.
Yes, but play the original and not the Beamdog "Enhanced" aka pozzed versions that turn the game balance into dogshit and infuses their own characters, including trannies, into good old fantasy games.
First game is best played as a Fighter for the survivability since they made the MC die = game over for some godforsaken reason (everyone else can be rezzed). Use bows at a distance before going into close combat.
>UI and QoL
fricking lol bad bait. The UI in particular is shit.
>go back to the older games
BG3 has nothing to do with BG1 and BG2 both of which are AD&D, a completely radically different system from "modern" "D&D". (that isn't even remotely compatible with 99% of D&D content)
It's a Divinity Original Sin reskin at it's core.
why is it even legal to market it as the third in a series if it has nothing to do with the first two?
Because they bought the IP. What else.
where do you even find the originals these days
there's original iso's of almost any game on the archive these days
>You won't be able to play BG3 with its modern graphics, UI and QoL, and be able to go back to the older games
Frick off zoomer
No, RTwP was a sad mistaken design
False. It's more fun than turn based.
This. I've literally had dreams of it. Some fights were just too exciting. I wish there was an action RPG that focused purely on spellcasting with RTwP.
what the frick is this gay mentally ill post, are you replying to yourself
Wrong on both accounts. Was there something else?
nox wizard path
come home white man
this. the bioware combat system is way more fun then gay ass turn based.
Bioware is a shit developer, but everyone deserves to find out firsthand exactly why.
I played BG1 for about an hour before i got bored
There is barely anything you can do in this game
In Pathfinder you get from lv1 hundreds of ways to customize your character and make him feel unique even if you go with the Standard Male Human Fighter You can make him a teamplayer with the teamwork feats and absolutly shread through enemys with your loyal companion on your side or make him an expert fighting machine capable to take out multiple enemys with advanced technics
In BG all you do is go to the enemy and hit it until its dead
Why do you need things to be done for you? Not everything has to be a constant lightshow on screen. Go back to Tiktok.
Why would i want options more advanced than goint to enemy and hitting it in my roleplaying game?
It´s okay boomer im sure your caretakers take good care of you after you lost the mentall capacitys to undertake an action more complex than pissing yourself
It's how AD&D worked, stupid homosexual. And you are at level 1. Get a party going if you want more options in combat and level them up a bit.
And AD&D is a terrible system for a computer game
If you make a game you should make your own system ot tweak it so that it doesnt become a slog to play
Then use the 4th Edition if you want a good bing bang wahoo system.
>Be on the bing bing wahoo board
>Discuss bing bing wahoo adaption of a traditional table top game
>Mention how it´s terrible as a bing bing wahoo product
>Somehow this is a good thing
BG is just an over glorified visual novel and everyone who pretends it isn´t is a brainlet afraid of games with actual gameplay
cope Jarpigshitter
You either don't know what visual novels are or don't know how BG1 plays.
God forbid the game is actually fun to play
>instant gratification
>an hour
>barely anything you can do in this game
But I can do this in Grim Dawn on steroids playing it like a twin stick shooter. On that front you're dreaming, son.
no, outdated as hell
No, I 100% honestly would not recommend playing any crpg at this point in time. Just let the genre die. It's not worth getting into. Play better games instead.
Like?
Yes, but you might be disappointed to find out that the gameplay is actually fantastic and there are no bears or troonys to frick.
>the gameplay is actually fantastic
Baldurs gate has terrible gameplay and its made for complete and utter fricking morons, all IE games are.
>I'm too stupid to hit moving targets with fireballs
>Game sucks!!
Turn-troony brainlet
Nice game moron
You are too much of a brainlet to even set up your party to cheese the black dragon.
>set up your party
There's nothing to set up, you just turn into a jelly. They even give you a cape that does it so you don't even need the spell. Invalidates 75% of encounters in the game.
Arcanum is good
Arcanum is isometric skyrim and is the biggest moron game of all old rpgs, even dumber than diablo.
>Arcanum is isometric skyrim
2/10 bait
What is the fricking difference? You're an invincible god mary sue right out the gate and all mechanics are broken ideas that don't work instead of functional mechanics and you just walk around collecting lore dumps in a game thats only 2/3s of the way finished. Its game that you pretend is good because of its half baked ideas, just like bethesda shit. What kind of complete fricking moron likes arcanum?
Skyrim has no real character building, its an extremely simple and shallow game. Arcanum has complex character building and a huge amount of freedom and choice like any good RPG. Its combat being mediocre doesn't mean its anything like Skyrim
>Skyrim has no real character building
Neither does arcanum lmao, 3/4 of the feats are just different flavors of the same thing and they're all broken with little to no impact on the game. Just like elder scrolls it's pretending things do something meaningful when they dont.
Comparing each games skills is ludicrous because Skyrim barely has any and scaled down significantly from Morrowind. Arcanum has all sorts of skills including a fully fleshed out speech skill. Skyrim is a bad action game where everyone plays as a stealth archer
Morrowind and Skyrim are the same thing lmao. Morrowind is arguably even dumber. In morrowind everyone is a spellsword, except not really because the game revolves around abusing enchanted items it throws at you like candy until you're enough of a meat head you can one shot everything with a single melee swing, which takes about a whopping 5 levels to hit the stat cap. (About an hour into the game) It's all mechanical bloat with tons of broken systems fighting against one another. Like 90% of the shit in morrowind is just hamfisted in there for advertising. Just like "you can climb that mountain" and "infinite quests" morrowind is full of half assed and dissapointing features.
Can't deny that Morrowind is easy to break but it doesn't treat players as idiots like Skyrim. Not to mention its writing and world being far better
>it doesn't treat players as idiots like Skyrim.
Yes it does lmao, if gives you 60k gold for free at the very start of the game, even skyrim is not that handholdy.
>Not to mention its writing and world being far better
Morrowind has terrible writing and 100% focuses on detailing mythology ripped from the Glorantha setting while neglecting the world itself, which is static and dead. That's not good world building.
>Yes it does lmao
It hardly does lol. It doesn't have any braindead modern features of current games
>Morrowind has terrible writing
Whats your example of good writing from an RPG? Because Morrowind's is leagues ahead of Skyrim
>which is static and dead.
Only visually due to the outdated engine. The writing is what makes it alive
>pic
All the main quests are pre-marked on your map and you have a magic GPS that tells you your location at all times, and waypoints hardly make a difference when every quest is just can levitate and auto-run in a cardinal direction. This is exactly the dishonest snake oil I'm talking about.
>Only visually due to the outdated engine. The writing is what makes it alive
No, you are literally pretending it's not a shit game because you've built up an image in your head that doesn't match with the game at all.
>is just can levitate and auto-run in a cardinal direction.
That happens much later and you don't even have to do it. You are also missing the point. Morrowind lacks waypoints so the world design is based around landmarks and information gathering. It makes exploration organic. In Skyrim, thanks to the waypoint the word design makes no attempt at making players pay attention to their surroundings. They just walk straight to their destination
>you are literally pretending it's not a shit game
How am I pretending? I don't even think Morrowind is in the top 20 best RPGs but its far more competently designed than Skyrim
>That happens much later
It happens pretty much immediately.
>and you don't even have to do it.
Progression in morrowind is an exercise in eliminating tedium. All elder scrolls games have excruciatingly terrible gameplay so it becomes about taking the path of least resistance and if you don't do this the game will punish you for it by breaking or at the very least giving you an utterly moronic and poorly designed quest that you could otherwise just blitz through. "Well just don't do it" is not an argument when the game is fundamentally bad.
True words. I played a pure destruction wizard in vanilla Skyrim, and the game progressively punished me by scaling the enemies into bullet sponges.
To add. I thought it was absolutely insane. What kind of developer would design it that way? I had come from Gothic 2 NOTR, where you start off incredibly weak and in the end get your reward of being able to kill enemies quickly. But then I realized that Bethesda just doesn't give a frick about progression, and only designed like 5% of the game well so that everyone who buys it would have good time for the couple of days they play it.
>giving you an utterly moronic and poorly designed quest
Not in Morrowind
Yes in morrowind. You just didn't realize it because you were flying and fast traveling everywhere. Morrowind has an assload of quests where it's like "go to the shop on the other side of the continent and buy 3 bars of soap" or "loot this copy-paste closet sized dungeon on an island in the middle of nowhere with 2 skeletons in it" for a reward of like 10 gold that only exist to pad out questlines, just like every other elder scrolls game. Like when you are just doing a quest to get to the next quest we have a big problem.
>its another gay complaining about muh fetch quests
Stick to Skyrim buddy
I accept your concession.
Morrowind is way more than just fetch quests
You sound very excited for Elder Scrolls 6. Lol. I bet the game's amazing designs will blow your mind.
I didn't even buy skyrim and I won't be playing any Bethesda game ever again.
C'mon, you don't want to clear any bandit hideouts in Starfield? There will be countless of Radiant Bandit Hideouts in Starfield.
Radiant design would be good if there was actually a reason to do it that wasn't arbitrary progression gating. Like the a-life in stalker is good. But it doesn't work in Bethesda games because the world has zero obstacles and travel and combat are boring. This isn't true of all rpgs, like if you play knights of the chalice that's entire grognard battle chess where the main appeal is 20 minute long encounters, similiarly stalker is a game about resource management and tense gunfights, something it owes to its survival horror roots rather than RPGs. However, rpgs have gone the direction of bethesda and bioware, so the genre has no value and will continue to get worse until normies get bored and it dies again.
>All the main quests are pre-marked on your map
No they aren't. The only map markings in Morrowind are the cities after you've visited them.
There's multiple quests including in the main questline that are a pain in the ass to find like the Cavern of the Incarnate or that one cave tomb for one of the tribes.
>No they aren't. The only map markings in Morrowind are the cities after you've visited them.
No they aren't, you complete moron. For every single main quest you can just talk to a scout and they'll pre-mark the quest location. ALL of the main quests work like this.
>For every single main quest you can just talk to a scout and they'll pre-mark the quest location.
lol spoken like someone who definitely hasn't played the game. Most have no scout markers, hell even if you use cheats to reveal the map most locations aren't on there.
>i-it doesn't just trust me bro
Quest marker is good for Bethesda games because you can easily tell when a quest script didn't fire.
morrowind and skyrim have the same writing quality IE dogshit
>morrowind is special because you have to make a character and cant be gm of all the guides
GFTO morrowindgay all this is wrong and morrowind sucks my nuts
Skyrim is complete dogshit. Don't compare a genuinely decent RPG like Morrowind to it.
Also the women are mostly women, not 3/4 of the romances are butch warriors. The npc roster is much more classical in that sense, no weirdos everywhere like in BG3.
They sure got the drama down.
>first area east of candlekeep
>belt of sex change
uhhh anon?
It used to be a joke item. Edwin being shapeshifted into a woman in BG2 was also a joke.
We laughed about that nonsense back in the day, because it was so ridiculous. Fast forward 25 years and nobody is laughing anymore, mentally ill troons are everywhere and degenerated leftoids worship them.
Someone should mod neo-vegana into the genitals options.
It still is a joke, nobody takes them serious outside of the unhinged few living in good ol' USA
is that why yurotards only play goyslop and post furry porn here all day
>europe out of nowhere
buckbroken much troonchaser?
Troons are no less a protected class in yurop than in israeliteistan, let's not lie to ourselves. Caroline Farrow is still in deep shit because she dared to question the troon menace while living in the UK.
>uk
not europe. there was a vote and everything
>technica-
don't care
>uk
>not part of europe
2/10
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That belt is extremely based, you can also use it to permanently flip someone's alignment, even in BG2
that fricking item gave me my first ever why boner
I just played BG1 for the first time and its extremely boring game. My MC was a fighter, so in the 40hours I played NOTHING happened character development vice. I got better THAC0 and AC, more attacks and weapon proficiency, but thats nothing. The story starts moving at the last third of the game if that and most of the time you are killing kobolds or bandits.
I still somewhat enjoyed it, since it has some of the d&d magic of wandering in random areas killing monsters, finding loot and doing extremely short quests etc.
>its extremely boring game but I enjoyed it
>actually it was a magical experience
fricking zoomzooms
I'm older than you moron. Its like 6/10 game, its fine but it was pretty fricking boring at times.
You are being melodramatic.
BG is more fun as a spellcaster, it's pretty boring as a fighter and extremely boring if you use bows, since ranged weapons are OP in that game.
Magic is rare in the early game, and most wizards are essentially bosses given how much higher level and more spells they have than you. Tranzig, the assassin in Friendly Arm, is like Level 4 with several Level 2 spells known, that you can't get early game.
Spending the game always on the backseat, hunting for the spell scrolls and needing tactics so you don't get mogged by wolves is very fun. So is learning the cheese like Cloudkill + Sleeping Gas or Flame Arrowing Drizzt from across the lake.
Mages are unplayable on a first run unless you look everything up in guides.
No they aren't moron
Coping nostalgiashitter.
I don't even like infinity engine trash.
Very believable.
I literally beat the game as a wizard when I was 13, so this is wrong.
Wizards are hard mode but the entire spell economy and how matchups flip using magic make it a completely different game.
It's also different if you go in as an evil character. I partied with Xzar and Montaron over Khaleid and Jaheira, knowing that I couldn't beat Tranzig, and the game shifts dramatically going south instead of north so early.
I'm sure you did.
I thought so too, but that's because you didn't read or experiment with the spells. Once you do that though with a couple of crowd control spells it becomes way easier. Don't just fill your slots with magic missile and acid arrow.
>BG is more fun as a spellcaster, it's pretty boring as a fighter
The BG1 experience as a spellcaster (except maybe Cleric/Fighter multiclass dwarf) is avoiding combat as much as possible with your char and plinking off your one spell so as not to get instagibbed and have to reload because if your char dies you instantly get game overed. Terrible design choice.
Early game, you need to party with tanks or else you die to a sneeze. The game even tells you to get friends ASAP. But once you hit Level 4 and get access to Level 3 spells combat opens up for you.
Baldur's Gate 2 is more of the same, but its a lot easier since you have more spells available along with the full library from 1-5 at the start of the game.
dnd combat sucks dick
Baldurs Gate 1 its basically a hack and slash
BG1? No
BG2? Hell yes
Yeah play them and realize they were always leftist and horny
Ganker is literally complaning about BG3 being too similar to the older games
It's embarrassing when a child tries to sound older than he is.
Why are you asking such low IQ questions? Keep playing them like we have been doing for decades. No need to ask stupid questions.
>hit pause every 2 seconds to issue commands
I'M REAL TIMING
>b-but I set it up good so that the game plays itself!
go play Factorio
BG1 and 2 are both great I recommend it.
best classes for a beginner?
It's hard to go wrong with a Fighter, or maybe an Undead Hunter paladin kit if you're playing EE.
Ah, the morons of Ganker have awoken.
Time for more... experiments
There's bound to be some zoomers out there smart enough to understand that these originals were in fact better all along.
I played BG 1 and 2 for the first time back when I was 16 and BG 1 is still my favorite game of all time.
(Don't really like the direction they went with 2 but I still liked it, just too railroady for me post chapter 2/3)
Can you put me in the same cell as Jaheira?
Just askin'...
theres not a single character in bald gay 3 that even reaches how good this guy is
Every "good" crpg is part of the latest humble bundle. Just get that
baldurs gate 1 is still fun, and has a sense of exploration and adventure modern games dont' have.
yeah, just remember to install troony removal mods and you're golden
I think there was actually a mod that removes the Edwin quest, but other than that, what are you even talking about?
there's a mod that removes new companions added by Beamdog
Well, Beamdog didn't make Baldur's Gate. Their Icewind Dale though is pretty much a straight up upgrade to the original.
I played 1 for the first time last month and had fun with it, so give it a shot.
What are some must have mods for bg2?
Stratagems
Ascension
Rogue Rebalancing
Assassinations
Unfinished Business
Quest Pack
Revised Battles
Item Upgrade
Tweaks Anthology
Also, some components from Tactics, but don't install any components similar to Stratagems.
Also, install the Solaufein mod and fight the Eclipse party.
There aren't any.
Even BG1 doesn't really need mods so long as the default resolutions don't look fricked on your widescreen or whatever.
All shit for people who've played it already. No one should be modding anything on the first playthrough.
Either buy it off GOG (comes with original installer as an option) or pirate "Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga" and "Baldur's Gate 2 Complete" off GOG-Games.
I think these zoomers need a harsh reality check for the way they talk on this forum. Just with Stratagems and Revised Battles I would love to see their faces when they run into some big battle.
What about modded EE like
?
NPCs are only a part of the problem. They redid a bunch of balancing, changed encounters, adds BG2 classes & kits (which trivialize a lot of BG1 content) and so on.
Basically don't use EE. Ever.
Sorcerer in Icewind Dale does the same thing, but don't use it. The game wasn't designed for Wail of the Banshee midway through the game.
Although to be fair, a sorcerer in a 6 man party is fine on normal mode. It's when you gain all of the xp for one character that you get spells you shouldn't be getting.
Got the enhanced editions for bg1 and 2 on gog. Anyone can refer me to a source which would help me avoid the bad things they added?
https://rentry.org/Non-NewtonianMods#baldurs-gate
Just play 3 and watch a recap of 1 and 2. Advanced DnD is garbage, especially THACO.
are the switch ports any good
I tried playing planescape on switch, eventually managing combat and inventory becomes too much of a hassle, dropped it and rebought on pc
yeah that is what i though would be the most annoying
shame there are like no good western rpgs on the thing which control well
Yes because BG1 is the better game. BG2 is mid.
2 is great, 1 is whatever
BG1 is miserable to play and the characters barely have a personality. AD&D is a fricking terrible system to put in a videogame and you actively fight the level design.
BG2 jettisons the only good part of BG1 (the open world) but fixes a lot of BG1's problems so it's less of a chore to play. Characters interact, areas are more open, so on. It's kind of a mess story wise and still AD&D but it's at least enjoyable.
You can install the Banter Pack, which albeit being unofficial, makes it feel very much like BG2.
I did actually install that, so there was something to get me through the game. And it doesn't make picrel any more tolerable. Installed the Imoen romance mod too for BG2, even if you don't frick her it gives her some life due to the last minute changes.
You can't complain about Durlag's Tower. Arguably better than Watcher's Keep.
If the party isn't getting stuck every half a second it's better than that.
You should, they are much better games than 3.
Play 2 last because otherwise 1 will seem unbearable. Baldur's Gate 2 is legit one of the best RPGs ever made.
It's a great ride from start to finish, just keep in mind there's a design philosophy shift between 1 and 2.
BG2 like a normal person
i got bg1 a few weeks ago since i wanted to play 3 and have never played a bg before
it's a really fun time, though a bit overwhelming with the terminology and mechanics but you'll pick it up quick
would recommend
>bg3 audience
master crafted bait
>no numpad
I'm being griefed
Who here waiting for the Skyfire mod for BG2? Me.
Yes, the game still gets mods. Even when new games get made.
Am I not supposed to have a full party in BG1? It takes fricking ages to level up and they keep getting oneshot.
You are supposed to cast blind on tough enemies and buff up your tank. 1 point of AC can make a huge difference. How are you getting filtered by this absolute diaper game?
The only mage I have has some draining spell.
There's a giant wizard mansion you can access immediately in the first chapter which has all manner of scrolls and wands called high hedge estate or something like that. Also worth mentioning that the "meta" of bg1 is wand usage. Any class that can use wands is automatically the best class in the game, so might want to stock up on those.
I don't know where that is and I'm not looking it up in a guide.
well look around or uninstall the game, I'd rather you didn't play shitty ass rpgs anyways. not my problem.
I'm not taking advice from some walkthrough following shitter.
Leveling in AD&D does take a while.
You should have a full party with a decent setup like multiple fighters at the front and using bows before closing in on the enemy.
And find enemies you can take-on like don't fight Nereids when you should be fighting Xvarts.
Some possible party members are a LOT stronger than others. (remember that Evil and Good doesn't mix well though)
Oh, and late recruiting companions is actually a good thing because they're scaled to your current level.
Always take Edwin though. Too OP.
Ranged weapons are king in low level D&D, until you get a couple levels under your belt.
You can solo the game just fine if you know what you are doing.
They are peak comfy even though I guess playing 1 for the first time is super rough.
Just QUICKSAVE A LOT
I'm playing BG1 right now and I just turned on easy mode, made a random character I like and a party I liked and auto battle my way through, don't care.
Bro it's like you don't want to quicksave quickload every 5 minutes?
I used to do that back when I played DA Origins but I don't have the time anymore now that I have work and everything. I want to know the story and it's that or a YouTube video.
>I want to know the story and it's that or a YouTube video.
Read a summary since it's faster than both, and you clearly don't like the video game part.
It's nothing like experiencing the world and enjoying the characters. I'm just skipping the time wasting gameplay part.
https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/The_Paws_of_the_Cheetah
Cheat these in. Give them to everyone.
Baldur's Gate 1. ACTUAL original BG1, not Enhanced or Tutu.
FixPack v1.1 (2001 - July - 07) (BG1FixPack11)
https://sorcerers.net/Games/BG/index_mods.php
DudleyFix
DFxBG1_FixPack-1/2/3/4/5.zip
https://www.forgottenwars.com/dudleyfix/index.htm
Above is all you really need.
cdtweaks is extra stuff that more vigoriously changes the base game. If you don't understand what it's asking to change, then don't change it. For a first playthrough, I'd skip it, but I'm linking it for others or the future.
cdtweaks-v16
https://www.gibberlings3.net/files/file/973-the-tweaks-anthology/
https://github.com/Gibberlings3/Tweaks-Anthology/releases
Resolution mod. YOU NEED BOTH, OR NONE. Personally, I'm just lowering my monitor resolution, but here you go. Keep in mind the TWM_GUI has a limited amount of resolution options, so check that first before installing widescreen.
Widescreen 3.07 (UNINSTALL BEFORE CHANGING MODS)
http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/
TWM_GUI beta 0.994
http://athkatla.cob-bg.pl/viewtopic.php?t=3257
>mods that change rewards and rep damage yet calls themselves fixes
ugh
Honestly BG has so few bugs with official update patches that stuff isn't really necessary.
BG1 has so many weird bugs.
>If Khalid is recruited by a level 1 Gorion's Ward in the original Baldur's Gate, his intelligence will have a score of 12 only; if recruited later, it will always be 15.
I know Infinity Engine, likely what happened is the script on that map replaces Khaleid/Jaheria to scale with your level, but each version is a different character in the database.
Someone likely typo'd for Khaleid's intelligence and once you recruit him once, the script doesnt populate the defaults at Friendly Arm again.
doing that and then replaying with an actual difficulty almost makes sense
gay. Put it on hard and play with Stratagems mod.
Yes
honestly RTWP combat in BG games feels very tactical, played a lot of isometric rpg and they all had combat which was just afterthought, while playing BG1/2 it feels closer to jagged alliance than usual rpg jank.
>while playing BG1/2 it feels closer to jagged alliance
JA is turn based and nothing like bg moron bro
i meant more about tactical combat not turn based but if you press pause a lot bg might as well be turn based every action takes 6s
In both bg games is just auto attacking everything to death. Sometimes in bg1 you have to cast web, in bg2 that's not even necessary and you can shred through everything with meteors. It's not tactical at all.
trash mobs maybe but in actual hard exchanges you usually micromanage everyone with active pause.
>trash mobs maybe but in actual hard exchanges you usually micromanage everyone with active pause.
no you dont lol
Infinity Games and BG1 specifically was the first to blend turn based combat with RTS. Makes sense that you'd feel it's a mix of the two.
If I play OG 1 and 2, what are absolutely essential mods for Baldur's Gate?
No mods are essential, hell I would argue some changes like the Cloak of Mirrors in TOB ruined the item.
Ascension is more popular than vanilla TOB but I personally don't care for it.
Thanks for the inputs anons. I'll grab the games off GOG and play vanilla.
>If I play OG 1 and 2, what are absolutely essential mods for Baldur's Gate?
None.
Modding is for replays and frankly most of them suck and just make playing it either trivial or a chore.
The only mod I would even consider is Gibberlings3 widescreen mod and ONLY if you have a widescreen monitor where the regular resolutions look fricked up.
yes mod which removes NPC added by beamdog homosexuals
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/43074/mod-convenient-enhanced-edition-npcs-for-bg-ee-sod-and-bg2-ee
>Original BG1 doesn't have interactables highlighting
Not dealing with this pixel hunting bullshit. Playing Enhanced.
Yeah, doing another playthrough before I dive into BG3.
>Rolled a 96 for my undead hunter
Yep, it's gaming time
whats a fun class in bg1. i made a paladin...
Paladins get fun gameplay wise when you can cast cleric spells at level 9. Personally I've had the most fun with sorcerer, mage/theif, fighter/theif, and fighter/druid
Thief*
I'm moronic
I played as an evil Necromancer who tries to punsh out all his enemies
The Flaming Fist Battle Wizard casts Ghoul Touch, if you kill him after he casts it, his hand becomes an equipable item
So I spent most of the game trying to punsh out enemies with the paralyzed hand of a dead Flaming Fist
paladin is pretty great
>played ID, Arcanum, PS:T, Fallout etc, but never played BG1/2.
>decide to play it
>get to the tavern and meet some people there
>"yeah let's just do whatever"
>no idea where to go
is there's a guide kinda thing that willl suggest a general course of action, but won't outright tell me what to do?
you have a journal
I literally don't get it, people today beg for open world gameplay, once you get an old game with it you don't know what to do?
When I was 13, the first thing I did in BG1 was go to a tavern and get smashed
Then I tried to punch out the bartender and got killed
i'm a minmaxxing moron so i'm always stressed i went somewhere suboptimal.
anyway i might install it again
Yes. There's a humble bundle that is about to expire so get them now for cheap
>me
>my hot sis
>my butthole bro
World's Worst Dad btw
Who is the chibi, is that Cespanar?
2 is mandatory if you have any love for rpgs.