>shuts down their own games frequently
>shuts down other games to bully smaller game devs
>claims to own an entire genre and DMCAs said smaller game devs
UUUHHHMMM BASED DEPARTMENT??
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They DMCA'd because the ex lead dev homosexual cloned all the assets and used them in his own game without even bothering to rename shit
>ex lead dev homosexual cloned all the assets
unless Nexon owns the entire fantasy genre, this doesn't work
he cloned art assets dumbfrick, nothing to do with the genre. Learn to read
so now Nexon owns public store assets? or do they own the original artist too?
it wasn't 100% public store assets, you moron
considering the police found no stolen files, then this just goes back to Nexon owning a genre
>considering the police found no stolen files
***according to ironmace
>You mean all those assets from the unreal store smartass?
and the unique assets not in the store? how dumb are you?
>***according to ironmace
Nexon literally hasn't provided any proof or receipts
>"I don't understand how the law works"
let me guess, you think ironmace shitposting on discord about legal matters was a good idea?
I know false DMCA claims are super easy to file, whether you're a big company or not.
if the DMCA claim had no merit the company wouldn't be trying to stir up support by selectively posting about the case to its community, they would simply contest it
>the company wouldn't be trying to stir up support by selectively posting about the case to its community
Don't tell me you're this sheltered, content creators and production companies do this all the time regarding false copyright claims. They're incredibly annoying to dispute regardless of the material, and when they're proven false in the end, the fine for it is moronicly small, especially for a multi-million dollar studio. It's a legitimate financial bullying tactic.
>Get caught stealing assets
>Release a game a few months later with the same assets
>Get DMCA'd
>"wahh, I'm being bullied"
>>Get caught
Police raid says otherwise, stop going in circles
its not disputed he cloned the entire project to a private local server, it is unknown what the police found. Try getting your facts straight before shitting up Ganker threads
There have been no charges or arrests, and Ironmace devs have stated development hasn't stopped. In fact, Ironmace devs stated they want to give all their assets to the police so they can compare with Nexon's. Ironmace is being fully cooperative with the police while also taming its community. Guess what Nexon isn't doing?
>they want to give all their assets to the police
The police already has all the files from when they raided their company and took the computers. Of course Iron Mace is going to spin that as 'we will totally comply and give them the files'.
You literally said it yourself that it's unknown what the police found:
So if by chance the police didn't find everything, they WANT to give them everything because there's zero reason not to. You're falling apart under your own argument.
Anon, read. I'm claiming Iron Mace is spinning 'police took their shit' as ' we had willingly gave it to them to help with the investigation'.
That's a false claim because they never said the police raid didn't happen, and asset comparison request where both companies submit everything to the police is a separate matter at an attempt to end the whole dispute. Stop lying.
Source? Also Nexon claimed they no one outside their company could have come up witg it even they relesed info about the canned project to gaming presss
is ironmace hiring ESL's to defend their company on Ganker now?
Maybe because that shit takes time that you maybe don't have to stay afloat to fight. Seems like you know little of how the law works
By drumming up noise to the issue and trying to get outisders attention can help by making the mess large enough that the false claimant will back out to save face which is often quicker and cheaper.
Also depending on what they say it is perfectly legal to talk about a DMCA claim (bar a court ordered suppression) and is often why it takes a day or two for those have been hit by one to say something about it so as to not legally frick themselves over.
Workers and resources devs did a similar thing, however the dmca claim against them was much more obviously frivolous
You mean all those assets from the unreal store smartass?
>already forgot about the Bleak Faith: Forsaken scandal
those are stolen assets uploaded to unreal store that people thought were original and epic does nothing about it
It amazes me people are this mentally moronic
point to a single example of a stolen asset
I'll be here waiting while you either don't reply, or resort to more ad-hominem
This probably isn’t true. Nexon can and will straight up lie about ex employees.
Ironmace confirmed that it's true
Anon, how many former employees of any random company try to frick it over on the way out. I dont doubt for a second a disgruntled wagie pulled that shit in an effort to make it.
Dark and Darker is made out of unreal engine store assets. They'd have to sue Epic Games if the assets are indeed cloned.
So they just have to make some new artshit and the game will be back yea?
Nobody in this thread know shit about the situation lol
lmao even
moist critical said he hate nexon that's enough for me fr
>Be shitty employee at big company
>leave and realize you are literally too moronic to come up with an idea for a game
>steal the idea from the big company you used to work on
>Realize you are also too fricking stupid to make your own assets
>steal them too
>WTF why am i being sued?
Yeah
RIP the finals, i guess
There's nothing based about Korea, the Japanese should have eradicated them instead of trying to civilize them.
This. Nexon is the worst dev ever, not even for what it does to Darker and darker. They don't do any good game
Nexon is in the right here. Same with Konami and the whole Kojima fiasco. People just want to root for the little guy.
Funny how people are defending Nexon as if it was a household name. They have been hated for ages due to how every game rots when they falls on their hands. Are they bots or something?
Nexon made and supported a lot of good games. this ironmace Black person is a literal who the frick.
> Nexon made and supported a lot of good games
Ppppppffffffttttttt
Ironmace got kicked off Steam so there's really nothing to 'defend'.
Well some people prefer to be objective, rather than being biased and ignoring facts just because Dark and Darkner is a good game they want to play. If Dark and Darker is in the right, this whole situation will sort itself out.
>if they are in the right it will sort itself out
Not really how it works in courts. For a small company this could be the deathblow, setting the development behind far enough and putting their costs trough the roof and kill them.
And even if they ended up being in the right, nexon from what i have seen can still frick them with tiny technicalities. Just to increase their costs and drag them trough courts for a while longer.
>deathblow
Good.
The company was broke as frick anyway.
How can they shut down something they don't own?
welcome to the world of false DMCA claims, where anyone can take down whatever they want
Here's what going to happen. Iron Mace is going to lose because there is a 100% chance they had used most of the source codes from when the dev had leaked files from P3 to his personal server.
But wasnt he a work from home Black person and ovviously having work on your personal server makes sense. In fact was he not suing them before this because of wrongful termination or something in regards to that?
Bruh, stop. You damn well know people are going to be working from the company's network instead of your own server.
If he was using his own comptur then of course he would have files and shit from work within his home network, as he most likely backs things up considering he has his own home server. He would have to get approval anyway to work on shit from home which he must have gotten or he wouldn't have been a work from home person.
You're a bit off base anon, any company worth their salt will have you remote desktop into a secure environment and do your work there. You would NEVER use your personal computer for work, only as a remote terminal (if even that)
And given Nexon had tracked down the dev stealing their files, it's safe to assume Nexon did do just that.
>he isn't working from a docker container
>his local server isn't connected to a secured AWS VPN to make sure employee don't steal your shit
Anon, your security reps...
>art looks similiar
Same art director or whatever was also from nexon
>but the idea
Anyone could have come up with the idea, also doesn't help that Nexon published info about the canned project before dark and darker was a thing
>assests and code stolen
What engine does nexon use? Also code will be similar if the devs were ex nexon employees. Assests would be as well.
Though it easy as piss to pass off code and assests that were stolen as your own. Happens all the time and some don't get noticed for years.
Game looks meh anyway unless you have friends, but that is true for like 90% of games nowadays. Nexon also is a shit company so don't mind who loses more face or money here
>others do it too so lets tolerate it
Peak cancer
Never said that
Just funny seeing people care about this and not most other instances
The entire argument falls apart when the dev that got fired for stealing the files and went to investors asking for funds to create P3 on their own is also working on D&D. The most computer illiterate judge in the world can see what's going on.
>don't mind who loses more face or money here
You'd probably want the billion dollar company ran by bureaucratic suits that think purely in numbers instead of creativity and nuance to fall more than an indie studio.
An indie studio who are/was making a mediocre game?
Mediocre indie game is more likely better than a multi-million dollar game meticulously designed by suits to drain you of every penny only for that game to be shut down entirely in a few years because it didn't make all the money in the world from shit practices.
If you look at the facts, there's a big chance Nexon is in the right here
>July 2021, someone working at Nexon on project P3 leak assets and source code to an external server
>the company's chat logs also reveal that he was asking other employee working on P3 to leave the company to work with him
>Nexon higher ups catch him and fire him for violating non-solicitation agreement, non-compete agreements and obviously the base contract because he stole from the company
>10 out of 20 of the team members also leave with him to make Ironmace
>Nexon is forced to shut down P3 and move the remaining devs to their P7 project
>a year later, a game looking exactly like P3 is released by Ironmace
If you're telling me the dude didn't use a single line of code from what he stole to make the game, you're delusional. Also the DMCA of Nexon is for stealing the code, not the assets. All of you are dumbass
i cannot wait to see Moisty Critical backtrack this, that pompous biioch
He'll double down and say Nexon's lawyer forced Iron Mace to shut down because they can't afford the fees.
I guess it makes sense that the homosexuals shilling the dogshit DD game are militant in defending the obviously in the wrong company, these threads are pathetic, your game sucks, your dev stole Nexons project assets/code and will face the consequences in court and screeching on Ganker will change nothing
>dark and darker
>bad = based!!!
tired of this meme
Nexon has always been a horrible shitshow even for a AAA company. Even for a KOREAN AAA company.
....which makes
>Dave the Diver
Fricking inexplicable unless they frick it up. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1868140/DAVE_THE_DIVER/ - If you liked a game like Moonlighter or Recettear or another "Half adventure, half management" sort of game, this one is neat. You play a scuba diver who has to spearfish and hunt for exotic ingredients among other things during the day, while outfitting a sushi restaurant at night. Things expand from there including a wacky archeologist searching for a lost city of merfolk and some hints dropped that there are some truly enormous, strange, sea life out there that you'll come upon later.
Outstanding on Steam rated, even during EA. Single , reasonably priced, single player, no microtransactions of any sort... I have no idea how Nexon managed to conjure this from the aether.
Black folk defending Iron Mace are the same that don't understand why reverse-engineering projects can't just hire those who worked before on that project
Peak esl
There were no grammatical errors.
You are just illiterate.
Peak moron, everything he said was correct you just know nothing of tech
SIRS
Never thought I'd see the day Ganker started simping for patents and corpos, especially fricking Nexon lmao
You're using the word simping wrong, and our feelings don't matter when there are facts
>THE HECKIN PAPERWORKERINO THOUGH
bootlicking simps
>ur a simp if you're factually correct
End yourself.
If it means no more D&D threads, its a net positive
Nexon shills, show me a single stolen asset
i don't really care about the DMCA or stolen assets/code, i just want to say frick nexon
would be funny if someone released all the pedo shit going on in maplestory
It's like 22:00 in Korea. Wait an hour or two and all these pro Nexon shills will go purchase another p2w package in Maple Story or Dungeon and Fighter or whatever asiaticslop before they go to sleep.
you think its koreans lmao? it's malaysians, philipinos, indonesians, etc that play all that shit bro
Why are you repating yourself?
Um... bros?
Did Lord of the Rings rip off the P3 game? Lawsuit against the Tolkien estate incoming
Nexon literally invented wizards, goblins, and hooded thieves according to this DMCA claim, so yes.
ESL turf wars are really funny for some reason
the Genshitters fighting the Wuthergays is also hilarious
>korean EA versus korean Inafune
>Based
>Couldn't stop a MS2 private server
https://maplestars2.to/
Anon...
>ms2
Is dogshit tho
Do people even play that game?
>claims to own an entire genre
They never did this by the way. I don't even like them but at least make your shitposts sound reasonable.
Hypothetically speaking, if ironmace is honest and there's no shenanigans, what are the odds they win this case do you think?
Fricking clunky game. How'd it even get so popular? I mean it's really fricking bad
Eceleb flavor of the month
A lot of people have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on with this similarities comparison so i guess I can try to make things clearer and if not, then oh well.
The reason why Nexon is bringing these up is not to claim ownership over a genre, I don't know why the devs and the people on their discord keep saying this because that's absurd. They also aren't claiming ownership over store bought unreal marketplace assets.
>I don't get it, so why are they bringing up these asset similarities if they aren't claiming to own them
That's the thing right there. It's, to them at least, the obvious similarities between the games. And before mentioning that these individual similarities also exist in other games like elder scroolls, that isn't the point here. Nexon's argument is, essentially, that the differences between these two games is akin to an alpha and beta version of the exact same product. They have the exact same class design focus, the same class names, the same class perks and abilities, items, widget names, etc. They also have the exact same game design focus as an "extraction/pvpve", on top of having the same hand drawn artstyle to the same in-game artstyle, nearly identical game design choices in regards to weapon and item utility, map layouts,use of light lighting, and focuses on portal extractions, reviving teammates at an altar of resurrection and buff shrines. They even have extremely similar game descriptions down to the layout of the paragraphs and wording of the "detailed elements". And they even somehow managed to have the exact same unreal engine assets from the marketplace despite how massive it is (again, they aren't claiming ownership of the assets, that's not the point of this). Even the non-bought asset filenames are identical.
This is why people are bringing up examples like Substantial Similarity in regards to copyrighted materials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substantial_similarity
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People keep looking at all of these similarities like they have tunnel vision and aren't seeing the big picture. It isn't the mere inclusion of individual elements but how every single piece is coming together, as far as nexon is concerned, to be an obvious copy of the game they were making back in late 2021. They aren't trying to claim ownership over something like the concept of a wizard. Anyone trying to tell you that this is what's happening is trying to twist your perception either through sheer negligence of malice. In that way you may as well tell the Tolkien estate to sue everyone using wizards due to owning Gandalf, which would also be stupid becuse Gandalf is just based on Odin.
To make things more complicated, almost all of the employees at Ironmace actually did work at Nexon, even the CEO. And to make things even more complicated, one of the Ironmace employees is in the middle of a scandal with Nexon due to being accused of trying to steal company property while he was employed with them.
If you still don't understand what Nexon is trying to argue, imagine if someone copied the Mona Lisa but then changed her hair, skin, and eye color and changed the depicted time of day. This person then tried claiming that their work is a completely original work that they designed.
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So basically, nexon is trying to claim something akin to "Dark and Darker is a more developt version of *our* project and therefore it violates our copyright/whateverlawapplieshere" if I understood you correctly.
SO BASICALLY THE EXEMPLOYEE STOLE THE CODE TRIED TO GET FUNDING AND DIDN'T BOTHER TO CHANGE ASSETS
So basically since you are making a claim, you are required to submit proof of it for anybody to take you seriously.
As far as i'm personally aware of it, it's something like that.
Nexon was developing a game about a year and a half ago and basically all of the current ironmace employees were employed with them at the time and they were also all a part of this game's development. Something about a game leak supposedly happened, a little under half the devs left, and the game got cancelled. The devs that left foudned Ironmace in order to make a game which is basically the exact same as the game that they were working on while employed under Nexon and one of them is being sued for accusations of property theft/leakage. Part of this seems to be due to the one individual dragging the entire company into the fold of the lawsuit sine, originally, he was being sued, but since he works at ironmace now and they're just making this game it's now engulfed the entire company.
frick nexon and frick gravity
i will never not be pissed with their handling of RO
fricking bastards
The ex-Nexon devs are fricking moronic if they thought they could make something this similar to P3 and Nexon wouldn't do anything about it. Even if they were innocent (which doesn't seem to be the case), they should've known Nexon would ring them dry in court anyways.
>Even if they were innocent (which doesn't seem to be the case)
They're definitely moronic for thinking Nexon wasn't going to come down on them for this, but so far no evidence has been shown whatsoever of stolen assets.
I'm just waiting to see how long until nexon fricks up BA.
has nexon already shown proof or are these epic 'OC donut steel' pictures all they have, like i wanna see stolen bleak faith animation levels of stolen in comparisons
no there's zero proof at all which is why moronic homosexuals like
bounce out of the thread as soon as you call them out
ah figured, got me thinking that the taste of Korean CEO israelite wiener must've been life changing
Probably no proof other than eceleb circlejerking
>nexon was working on a game of the same type
>nexon decided to fire a dev working on the game because he was storing assets out of his own home
>The dev that worked on the game admitted to it
>decides to make his own game at a company that poaches ex nexon employees
>nexon finds their assets in their game
>sues them
LUL I hope dark and darker devs get fricked.
>nexon finds their assets in their game
Would be the only thing actually wrong with that fictional scenario you just described. It's funny how you're so convinced assets have been stolen yet you can't even post a single screenshot of them to back up your claim.
are you moronic? how the frick am I supposed to come up with a screen shot of a game that never released from nexon and what was in there game? I am just telling you what has already been released.
oh cool so you just blindly believe what Nexon is saying without evidence, corporate wiener sucking drone
>wiener sucking drone
The irony.
oh cool so you just blindly believe what <Ironmace> is saying without evidence, corporate wiener sucking drone
nah moron images have been posted online of what Nexon alleges is stolen assets and it doesn't look anything like dark and darker
>it doesn't look anything like dark and darker
I don't even like nexon, but lmao. This is just sheer delusion.
i hope they make a new game with waifus
It's not the assets themselves that's the problem.
It's the private server shenanigans, poaching, pitching the prototype to a new publisher then taking those poached employees to make the exact same game that's the problem.
Shit is obviously going to run afoul of noncompete clauses and copyright.
The people reducing this only to "muh stolen assets" are moronic or trying to make Nexon look moronic
i mean, nexon makes themselves look moronic on a daily basis.
they don't need anons' help for that.
t. former maplestory player.
i like Nexon
I don't, but i still think they've got a case here.