Since Ice Types no longer suck, what is the weakest type now?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has always been Bug

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still Ice followed by bug

      Bug has some broken moves, psychic is the most useless type

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/5vehoZ7.png

        https://i.imgur.com/5vehoZ7.png

        Nah at this point it really is psychic. Usually all special attackers and psychic types are always fragile as frick.
        Bug has gotten improvements so has ice.
        All the other types are represented well in the meta. Psychic type hasn't been relevant since Gen 1. And I should know zoomies and alphies

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How the frick is this thread not dead yet?
          Are people really this moronic? The weakest type is Psychic and it became Psychic when GF made knock off a staple/universal move tutor. Then you have U-turn which is very universal move and strong dark types like Incineroar, Single strike or Roaring Moon that just shuts Psychic down. I would add Kingambit to the list but from what I have heard he hasn't been doing so well.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Psychic still has some things going for it. Expanding Force was and is horseshit even if it's basically nonexistant now. Psychic Terrain allows for strong Psy-Spam teams that are basically just weaker versions of Rain teams.

            Psychic is bad, but it's still got some gas left in the tank. Still better than Ice, Rock, and especially Normal after Return/Frustration were removed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Normal is better because of Body Slam and Facade, and now Blood Moon Ursaluna
              Rock is better because.... duh, Stone Edge
              Ice is fricking amazing in gen 9
              Psychic is the absolute worst type hands down. No competition. Even grass is miles better because of leech seed, powder moves, and hitting Swampert SE.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
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        Nah at this point it really is psychic. Usually all special attackers and psychic types are always fragile as frick.
        Bug has gotten improvements so has ice.
        All the other types are represented well in the meta. Psychic type hasn't been relevant since Gen 1. And I should know zoomies and alphies

        >Why Yes I only play singles format, a format for girls and children how could you tell?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why should we care about any other format? Do you think Contests or the Battle Pyramid affect viability too?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still Ice followed by bug

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cry smogBlack person

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bug has always been the worst type in the series. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron who never plays PvP.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >moron
      >never plays PvP
      pick one

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >only good pokemon are good because of stats, abilities, and moves

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that’s literally how every good pokemon works

      tinkaton and mawile don’t magically stop being shitmons just because of their type

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >shitmon
        >fairy type
        Choose one

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tinkaton and mawile

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Mawile
        >fairy/steel
        >shitmon
        Competitive Pokemon was a mistake

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah? shit type combinations and poor stats still work in single player

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not really, Rock is the only type that might as well be a nerf to have.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah bro tyranitar is nerfed by getting a free 50% sp def boost and one of the best STABs ever and you definitely play the game

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ice is too. 1 resistance and 4 weaknesses. It's not even that good offensively. It's outclassed by Ground, Fighting, Fire, Rock, and Water.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ice is a great coverage type but only for offensive mons. Defensively it offers nothing. You basically need snow are aurora veil to use it defensively

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rock is also great for coverage, especially for Ground types. Loads of Ground types run Rockslide as coverage against Flying types.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >mawile don’t magically stop being shitmons just because of their type
        Mawile's typing is the only thing it has going for it. You're talking about a Pokemon with a lower BST than Charmeleon. It's very clearly not indicative of the strength of Fairy/Steel.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes just like how Delibird being a shitmon clearly isn’t indicative of the strength of Ice/Flying.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ice/Flying was really good in Gen 1, and it can still be serviceable in modern gens. Articuno was relevant just this year.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Articuno was relevant just this year.
              and last year

              why don't you stay in the shitty thread you made instead of shitting up the thread every time someone mentions singles
              seething every time someone doesn't play the same thing as you do can't be healthy

              I have no problem with people mentioning singles
              I do have a problem with people conflating fanfic 6v6 shit with singles and pretending it's remotely relevant to the actual game

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was about to go for Aggron as my Steel type in Emerald until I realized this. Even with the terrible movepool, Skarmory seems like a better choice for the tanky steel gimmick.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For me, what kills Rock is how impractical most of the moves are. Rock has some really shit weaknesses, but also some good resistances, so it's not too hard to play around SE moves. But that doesn't help me when the only STAB attacks I have access to either have shit accuracy, a frickload of recoil damage, or both. And the only moves with some utility like Accelerock, Salt Cure, and Stone Axe are species-exclusive. I pretty much only ever want the Rock typing for STAB Rock Slide in Doubles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >only good pokemon are good because of stats, abilities, and moves
      Dragon type in a nutshell

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if it's not OU it's a shitmon
    lolololol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s an OU? I’m talking about the game.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anything PU and below is a shitmon. Gen 9 RU could compete with Gen 8 OU. NU has Gyarados, Staraptor, Mew, Suicune, Infernape, Lucario, Magnezone, Raikou, Rotom-H, Swampert, Thundurus, Krookodile, Chansey, Heracross, Slowbro, Mienshao, and Reuniclus as of March 1st.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >farigiraf is a shitmon
        this is your brain on fanfic moronation

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh it's fricking dogshit. It does nothing outside of support in VGC. Try using it in singles and watch it do nothing.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The powercreep made everything a lost cause anyway.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Grass, always been grass.
    7 resisted hits, 5 weaknesses.
    If it's grass it's the worst one in the group.
    Virizion PU
    Tapu Bulu RU (while other tapus are is OU)
    Wo Chien PU
    Ogerpon Teal Mask UU (While every other form is OU+
    You literally can't defend this shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      play the game

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No grass types top 6
        you just proved my point.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        steel confirmed worst type

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > lets slap op stats on misdreavus and call it a new pokemon !!!

        paradox mons were a hideous mistake

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >two off
          shame
          but still, paradox mons WERE mistake

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only reason Grass types are ever used in Fanfiction Format is to absorb Spore since Game Freak is too moronic to bring back sleep clause. You're only allowed to have 1 Pokemon with Safety Goggles per team. If VGC removed Item Clause, there'd be more Pokemon running Safety Goggles than Pokemon in Singles running HDB and Leftovers combined.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bug's weak to Stealth Rock.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poweder move immunity bumps grass up. Poison only has immunity to poison which is just a worse burn. Bug has no special property.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Powder immunity is fricking useless, only good powder move is spore and the only mons that can learn it are also grass types.
        Grass types fricking over grass types is a 0 net gain.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rage Powder is better than Spore.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Virizion PU
      To be fair the swords of justice have always been shit save for Terrakion and Keldeo Resolute
      >Tapu Bulu RU (while other tapus are is OU)
      Got powercrept hard by Rillaboom, was fine in Gen7
      >Wo Chien PU
      Dark is quite literally the worst type you can combine Grass with
      >Ogerpon Teal Mask UU (While every other form is OU+
      So UU and viable in OU is considered bad now? The only reason she's lower than the rest is because she's monotype. This doesn't mean she's bad per se, just that every other mask is that outrageously broken.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd argue that Grass/Psychic is worse than Grass/Dark. Dark at least has an immunity and several resistances to common types.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The only reason she's lower than the rest is because she's monotype
        The masks giving damage boosts is a bonus as well. And Ivy Cudgel changing type to make up for Ogerpon's typical grass movepool.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sues but you still get +1 speed on switch in with tera on top of the boost AND you can run an item. Plus Defiant in base. Sure it's still the worst mask but she's not bad by any means, "not OU by usage" shouldn't be a metric for whether a mon is good or not anymore because have you seen UU? Shit has quadruple regenerator cores now, it's complete decadence.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's not taken into account with that argument is that you can only run 1 Ogerpon at a time as well. It's like how Calyrex-Ice sees no usage because Shadow is incredible and takes up the same dex slot.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's okay because Waterpon is getting the axe next, you know Finch would rather ban every DLC mon before he even thinks of suspecting Ghold. Sure people will find a reason to use Teal over Cornerstone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd argue that Grass/Psychic is worse than Grass/Dark. Dark at least has an immunity and several resistances to common types.

        the worst type to combine grass with is bug

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      play the game

      I changed my mind. It is grass. Grass is hands down the worst type in the game. Offensively and defensively.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grass is definitely bottom tier, but it's not THE bottom. The powder immunity is super helpful and grass types get access to sleep powder/spore which is the most reliable way to set up sleep. They also get leech seed and a lot of them can abuse sun. They also synergize well with other types: grass type teammates are very helpful for a lot of Pokémon, and even though a lot of dual grass types have 4x weaknesses there are others that end up being pretty good because of the grass type. The ground, electric, and water resistances are pretty clutch for a lot of Pokémon that need them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Grass is definitely bottom tier
        play the game

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ice types no longer suck
    They better still suck

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      idc what u say, even if a crow can resolve a mathematical question, it doesnt mean you can still frick it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can frick anything

        Why are people such fricking creeps with Glaceon?

        How is it creepy?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are people such fricking creeps with Glaceon?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        never had human intimacy IRL

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.

        I feel like there’s a weird double standard where Glaceon seems to be the most socially accepted Pokemon to sexualize only on the merits that it constantly dodges bullets whenever normies discover degenerate posts and turn them into unfunny memes.

        Despite completely eclipsing Vaporeon’s search results, especially in Japan, Glaceon never gained a reputation for how many threads come up about wanting to frick it. Deviantart Latinas and Twitter troons like Gammainks and Oreon_Smol get celebrated for the same shit vaporeon gets clowned on for. It’s confusing as frick

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't worry, Hisuian Avalugg still exists unfortunately

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Out of spite for Glaceongays, I hope they stay the worst.
      The less likely it ever appears in VGC, the better

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's bug, this topic shouldn't be divisive
    Ice has always been powerful offensively but shit defensively, snow remedies this, bug isn't particularly strong offensively and gets shit on defensively, but the real catch is that most ice types aren't as outright bad in stats and movepool as bug types

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's bug, this topic shouldn't be divisive
      OP just wanted to bait Yawngay.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does Yawngay have some sort of autism regarding the percieved strength of types? It's always unsettling having to share the board with people that get set off at the strangest triggers, mention the wrong thing and now your thread is plagued by a schizo

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Does Yawngay have some sort of autism regarding the percieved strength of types?
          Well whoever it is that took their time to make all those wojaks. Probably the same people who will vehemently argue against certain weak Pokemon getting a buff even if it doesn't involve their typings.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if he wanted to bait yawngay he'd've said ice needed a buff.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ice needs exp share turned off.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Snow doesn't actually remedy it. 9/10 Ice types are still dogshit. It's just the really good ones that can make better use of it than the average Ice types. That basically amounts to A-Ninetales, Calyrex-I, and Baxcalibur (and G-Darm if it comes back)

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    real answer is rock

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bug has always been the worst time, moron. Ice just had a lot of shit pokemon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's bug, this topic shouldn't be divisive
      Ice has always been powerful offensively but shit defensively, snow remedies this, bug isn't particularly strong offensively and gets shit on defensively, but the real catch is that most ice types aren't as outright bad in stats and movepool as bug types

      Bug is better because of its super effective against Psychic. Psychic is the worst type since it has no useful resistances or strengths against other elements. Fighting type is situational due to Fairy dominance and Poison is situational due to Ground dominance. Psychic is only good when paired up with another type such as Fairy or Steel. Furthermore its weaknesses are crippling, with almost every physical attacker running either Knock Off or U-turn. In short, Bug >>>>>>> Psychic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Psychic really needs some better moves, but you're right that no amount of buffs will save the type from being weak to both Knock Off AND U-Turn. Only way I can see Psychic coming back is if the distribution of those two moves is severely limited like Scald and Toxic were, AND they get attacks with more than 90 BP, because the whole "glass cannon" archetype doesn't work when Steel types are way better at dealing damage.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are no bad types, just bad pokemon. In that regard I would say bug probably has the largest ratio of shit pokemon to good pokemon out of any type because early bug shitmons used to a thing.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still want ice to have real resistances and idc what excuses anyone makes or if snow is a buff.
    THEY
    SHOULD
    NOT
    NEED
    SNOW

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well it cant resist water because Pokemon refuses to nerf water types the most OP of them all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ice resisting Water wouldn't make sense because ice melts in water. however, water also turns into ice in cold enough temperatures so i guess they could be weak to each other

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Having them be weak to each other would make Freeze Dry irrelevant.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            okay then Scald becomes super effective on Ice types and nothing else changes

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      plenty of people use Chien-Pao and Baxcalibur and Mamoswine without snow. Are you sure you're not just shit at the game?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See that's the problem, all the viable ice types look like DOGSHIT.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The weather buff actually fit well with ice type.
      Because they ARE the hardy type that lives in desolate allwayswinter areas. They seem fragile in battle, but when weather is right is their opponents who have hard type.

      WHat do NOT make sense is how Heavy Snow raises Def where it should HARSHLY DROP SPEED for non ice types.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it should HARSHLY DROP SPEED for non ice types
        Watch as this becomes a Trick Room strategy for Pokemon that are "too fast for Trick Room and too slow for offense".

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The worst type it's always been bug, no discussion about it
    >shit offensively because it's resisted by 7 types
    >shit defensively because resisting 3 types cannot compensate
    >pokemon with shit stats
    >only good bug type pokemons are good in spite of and not because the bug type

    Also Ice might be better than before, but it's not a good type not even by chance. The absolute moronation of filling a blatantly fast offensive type with slow defenseive mons should not be foregiven and snow is just a distraction for that. Either change their stat distribution or give the type more defenses than itself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Barely any ice types are defensive. If you’re using something like Glastrier or Frosmoth defensively you’re playing the game wrong.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Barely any ice types are defensive.
        Certainly not Lapras, Cloyster(pre-shell smash), Articuno, Regice, Walrein, Avalugg, Aurorus, or Arctovish.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it has a high defense stat so that means it’s defensive

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s funny how campaignshitters always invent all these moronic rules about how they’re supposed to use Pokemon because of their extremely poor understanding of the game.

            >GLASTRIER IS SLOW AND HAS HIGH DEFENSE STAT? THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE IT DEFENSIVELY!
            >GYARADOS IS WATER/FLYING TYPE AND ITS ATTACK IS HIGHER THAN ITS SPECIAL ATTACK? THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE A PHYSICAL WATER AND FLYING STABS ON IT! OTHERWISE IT’S BAD!!
            >I HAVE A CHOICE ITEM ON MY POKEMON? THAT MUST MEAN I SHOULDN’T EVER PUT STATUS MOVES ON IT!
            >DRAGON ONLY HITS ITSELF SUPER EFFECTIVELY? THAT MUST MEAN IT’S NOT A VERY GOOD OFFENSIVE TYPE

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >my choice band toxic user is so good
              lmao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE A PHYSICAL WATER AND FLYING STABS ON IT! OTHERWISE IT’S BAD!!
                Well yeah thats how the game works too bad it doesnt get good flying stab so it usually runs crunch or ice fang

                >GYARADOS IS WATER/FLYING TYPE AND ITS ATTACK IS HIGHER THAN ITS SPECIAL ATTACK? THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE A PHYSICAL WATER AND FLYING STABS ON IT!
                well... yeah. duh?

                >immediately proves his point
                wew

                maybe you should go start your 27th platinum playthrough, cynthia might be slightly less hard for you this time!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't compete, you never will, and if you did you'd lose horribly. Why do you care about anything beyond the campaign?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                damn bro i guess water stab is good on it after all

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do I use physical water stab gyarados in emerald?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry i dont know what "emerald" is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m sorry you’re so ignorant, zoomie.

                How do I use your time machine?

                You don’t need a time machine to play emerald.

                >I’VE CONSTRUCTED MULTIPLE STRAW MEN THAT MEANS I WON THE ARGUMENT
                Imagine bragging about taking Pokémon seriously enough to play it competitively and flex on “campaign shitters”
                I shudder at the thought. Embarrassing

                >he thinks those are straw men
                Aww poor little newbie

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who are you competitively playing Emerald against?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably against the strawmans he created LOL

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up moron. I'm not talking to you and don't need your homosexual ass acting like we're butt buddies on an anonymous board.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with this poster.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See, this is how you reply to conversations you're not involved in or contributing to. None of this homosexual teaming up to spam the same gay insult over and over.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up moron. I'm not talking to you and don't need your homosexual ass acting like we're butt buddies on an anonymous board.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up moron. I'm not talking to you and don't need your homosexual ass acting like we're butt buddies on an anonymous board.

                See, this is how you reply to conversations you're not involved in or contributing to. None of this homosexual teaming up to spam the same gay insult over and over.

                >samegayging this hard because two people agreed you're a moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do I use your time machine?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who the frick is playing Gen III comp in Year of Our Lord 2024?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lots of people. It's the most popular old-gen meta.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ADV OU is the most popular non-current-gen meta thanks to Jimothy Cool.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if it has a higher attack than special attack then why the frick would you pick a special stab over a physical stab unless the special had a secondary effect or something?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah why would you use special tyranitar over physical tyranitar? sure you won games because your opponent wasted time bringing in landorus to intimidate you while you one shot them with ice beam and you didn’t get crippled by burn and you broke through their walls by lowering their sp. def with max darkness but the number on the physical stat is higher therefore you have to use physical moves!! me smart at game me beat cynthia!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why the hell would you put ice beam on tyranitar

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To hit Dragons.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >GYARADOS IS WATER/FLYING TYPE AND ITS ATTACK IS HIGHER THAN ITS SPECIAL ATTACK? THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE A PHYSICAL WATER AND FLYING STABS ON IT!
              well... yeah. duh?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I’VE CONSTRUCTED MULTIPLE STRAW MEN THAT MEANS I WON THE ARGUMENT
              Imagine bragging about taking Pokémon seriously enough to play it competitively and flex on “campaign shitters”
              I shudder at the thought. Embarrassing

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >GYARADOS IS WATER/FLYING TYPE AND ITS ATTACK IS HIGHER THAN ITS SPECIAL ATTACK? THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE A PHYSICAL WATER AND FLYING STABS ON IT! OTHERWISE IT’S BAD!!
              The only exception to this rule is Nidoking running spec moves over phys due to Sheer Force boosts.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Water/Ice is alright defensively
          also didn't somebody just win VGC with Articuno?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shit offensively because it's resisted by 7 types
      Yeah, it's not great offensively, but U-turn is the strongest move in the game so it balances out.
      >shit defensively because resisting 3 types cannot compensate
      What did she mean by this? Bug resists Ground and Fighting, both of which are in the top 3 best offensive types in the game, while only being weak Flying, Rock, and Fire. Rock types are dogshit and is basically irrelevant outside of sneaky pebbles (which can be nullified with HDB). Flying types have basically disappeared from the meta after Game Freak overcompensated for Birdspam in Gen 6. Fire is a relatively rare type since few non-Fire types get it. Meanwhile Bug also resists Grass which is incredibly nice.
      with shit stats
      This isn't an argument, just like Dragon wasn't OP because it was filled with OP Pokemon in Gen 5. Garchomp being strong doesn't help Flygon, Druddigon, or Kingdra at all. Just like Beedrill and Dustox being shit doesn't hurt Volcarona or Pheromosa.
      >only good bug type pokemons are good in spite of and not because the bug type
      Pheromosa
      Buzzwole
      Genesect
      Volcarona
      Heracross
      Scolipede
      Ribombee
      Scizor
      Slither Wing
      Mega Beedrill
      Mega Heracross

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        U-turn's distribution is insane, you don't even need to be a bug type to use it. Having a good move everyone can use doesn't make the type itself good. Plus Bug resisting ground and fighting is completely irrelevant when most ground and fighting types learn rock moves, sometimes fire. On top of that, bug is resisted by fighting, so it doesn't even get much for switching in. It's SE against Psychic and Dark, but you can't switch into those. Basically, bug only counters one type, Grass, except Bug is resisted by so many types that a decent chunk of dual typings can just erase that advantage. At best, Bug sometimes works well as a dual typing defensively, but on its own has a lot of flaws.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >U-turn's distribution is insane, you don't even need to be a bug type to use it
          The same was true of Toxic, Knock Off, and Scald before Gen 9 happened. Game Freak very well could turn around and limit the distribution of U-turn in Gen 10 or 11 just because they feel like it.

          That doesn't change the fact that it's the best move in the game and every Bug gets STAB U-turn. Same reason Dark types were good in Gens 6 and 7 before Game Freak limited the distribution of Knock Off. Sure, Toxapex, Victreebel, and Alakazam could hit you with a Knock Off, but getting hit by a Weavile's Knock Off was an entirely different beast.

          >On top of that, bug is resisted by fighting, so it doesn't even get much for switching in
          It gets to STAB U-turn on the very next turn to build momentum. Eating a Close Combat, forcing the opponent to switch, and then getting in the counter to their switch is actually really strong for positioning. There is nothing an opponent can do to stop you from using U-turn, that's what sets it apart from every other pivot move. Flip Turn, Teleport, Parting Shot, Chilly Reception, and Volt Switch can all be stopped. The only thing you can do to stop U-turn is to kill the U-turner.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >THAT MUST MEAN I HAVE TO USE A PHYSICAL WATER AND FLYING STABS ON IT! OTHERWISE IT’S BAD!!
    Well yeah thats how the game works too bad it doesnt get good flying stab so it usually runs crunch or ice fang

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As everyone else has said, Bug and Rock.
    The types that fallen hardest from grace are Psychic and Normal.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do threads that mention the ice type always attract this one ultra autistic manchild who gets upset over the idea that a type should maybe resist more than just itself?
    Anyway I'd say rock is the worst type at the moment. Ice can at least make use of aurora veil to pretend that it doesn't suck ass defensively. Rock just feels like a death sentence with all the common weaknesses it has. Especially when a lot of rock types are so slow.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rock's whole appeal in gen 1 was that it resisted normal, which most attacking moves were, but at the cost of having a lot of obvious weaknesses. but now steel exists and everything has coverage out the ass so rock has nothing to do.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This brings us to the next topic: when will GF nuke the steel type once and for all

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hopefully never

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The same exists with Fairy and Psychic now.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No it’s literally not the same at all. The types are different in every single way except the common fighting resist

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Psychic kills fighting-types, just as Fairy does. But Fairy also hits the type that was designed specifically to counter Psychic. It trades effectiveness against Poison for that, but so does Steel with its interaction against Fire.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do threads that mention the ice type always attract this one ultra autistic manchild who gets upset over the idea that a type should maybe resist more than just itself?
      If you want him psychologically destroyed then Aurorus should get Power Gem.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How the frick does it not already know it…

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because Power Gem was heavily gatekept before gen 9. At this point (hopefully) it's because Aurorus isn't in Scarlet & Violet because Pokemon like Tyranitar, Garchomp, Hisuian Arcanine, and Ghouldengo can learn it and they don't have anything that resembles or allude to gems or crystals. If Aurorus doesn't ever get it despite all that then it means Game Freak is an absolute twat.

          At least Aurorus has Aurora Veil now (and there are people who still believe it doesn't).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ice/Rock would make for a cool offensive type because of how much those two types hit super effectively. The type was clealry meant to be a fast glass canon type, not a slow semi-defensive type

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sadly, both types get walled by Steel so even as an offensive combo it's not very good. That's not even counting being weak to a ridiculous amount of priority moves.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's not even counting being weak to a ridiculous amount of priority moves.
                Why does it feel like Game Freak wanted to frick over a Pokemon?

                And ROM hacks like Radical Red seemingly don't bother changing Aurorus's typing for some asinine reason since that's the #1 complaint about the Pokemon. If Luxray can be Electric/Dark (even though there's no actual reason why Luxray should have the Dark type) then Aurorus can be Ice/Electric or something else. The same shit that fricks over Aurorus in the official games is rearing its ugly head in ROM hacks as well and this comes across as the community upholding all the "doomed" and "unsalvageable" comments.

                I'm honestly very tempted to make my own ROM hack that changes the typings and stats (reasonably) of fossil Pokemon and it won't be a difficulty hack, even though there would be some slight trainer changes (nothing major).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wouldn't be a difficulty hack (aka any more difficult than the piss easy baby games)
                Your hack would be dead out of the water.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there exist abilities that block priority and coverage moves are a thing
                if any future pokemon is a fast frail Rock/Ice type with good coverage and Dazzling/Queenly Majesty then it could be at least decent

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ip count didnt go up

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >schizo is talking to himself now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ESLs think repeating things is the height of comedic insults.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stop being my butt buddy. Im not talking to you!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm both involved in the first place and actively contributing something other than the same insult over and over again. Try being literate for once, mi amigo

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I still dont want to frick you, Pablo.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread got very… hormonal, to say the least

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yet for some reason its fricking working. Either /vp is board or it is full of morons. Most likely both.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Psychic is the worst type

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one realizes this but electric type pokemon (not the type but the pokemon themselves) are at an absolutely awful spot right now. Only the legendaries are useful. Only Rotom-W is UU among non-legendary and non-paradox, and arguably the second best with Rotom-H and Magnezone are already NU.
    Not to mention GF intentionally fricked the physical side by making the FIRST WIDESPREAD PHYSICAL ELETRIC MOVE IN 13 YEARS SINCE WILD CHARGE BE FRICKING WORSE THAN IT.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Electric has always gotten the short end of the stick. They almost never get any decent coverage options.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why couldn't wild charge be an electric flare blitz....

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Raging Bolt being 10x better than every other electric type doesn't make the whole type bad

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But the point still stands. Only the legendary electric pokemon get decent treatment and if not then it's a frick you from Gamefreak.
        Not to mention electric type pokemon as a whole are one-note and extremely boring

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      electric shouldn’t be good physically just like fighting shouldn’t be good specially
      the phys/spec split was a mistake

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then they should stop making physical electric-types.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Iron Hands is literally one of the best Pokemon in the game. Stop being bad.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >legendary-tier pokemon is good
            Yeah, that totally makes up for Electivire and Zebstrika.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Zebstrika
              Getting High Horsepower was nice.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was, but it's still a total shitmon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's something though. Pokemon that deemed unsalvageable or not good for a playthrough should still get some buffs you know.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you’re right fairy needs a buff because granbull and wigglytuff are bad

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How disingenuous of you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pokemon like Azumarill and Clefable exist to prove that wrong. Something that doesn't need the over-inflated BST of a legendary in order to still remain competent.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Pokemon like Azumarill and Clefable exist to prove that wrong
                You mean like Pawmot and Bellibolt?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shitmons?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Clefable and Azumarill aren’t shitmons then neither are they.

                And what do they prove? That even with a broken move like Revival Blessing, a decent spread and movepool(unlike other electrics) you are still going to be mediocre at best?

                Yeah bro it’s not like Huge Power isn’t one of the most broken abilities in the game or anything

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Explain yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you seriously comparing Clef to those two? Pawmot literally needs tera electric just to spam Double Shock even when it has access to Iron Fist Thunderpunch because electric physical are just not that worth it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Are you seriously comparing Clef to those two?
                Yes.
                If anything both are better than Clefable is. Clefable has little to no value outside of fanfic 6v6 switch 100 times per game stally format.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And what do they prove? That even with a broken move like Revival Blessing, a decent spread and movepool(unlike other electrics) you are still going to be mediocre at best?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People think those have low bst but they actually have 495 and 490 bst which aren't that low. Compare those to "traditionally strong" mons like Scizor or Gengar which only have 500 and VGC's favorite mushroom which has only 464.
                I thought Rotom forms had low bst but they actually have 520 bst, meaning there are no viable electric types with under a 500 bst which is boring.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Iron Hands is mediocre outside of doubles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Supercell Slam
      >Bad
      Most Pokemon that have both prefer Supercell Slam.
      If you see Wild Charge over it on the analysis pages, it’s because they aren’t updated.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's just new toy syndrome. Who's gonna bother running Electivire or Zebstrika if it wasn't to try out the new move? Anyone smart enough will know not to touch that thing in OU or VGC.
        Maybe the lower tiers where Supercell Slam users reside have less ground types so it might be better but overall it's still a worse option.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why the hell did they make a Jump Kick clone when they could've made it a High Jump Kick clone? Why does GameFreak like seeing physical electrics suffer?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Physical electric types aren’t supposed to be good.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking this, the rotoms just have all the best stats and actual coverage most electrics are missing also
      >Physical electric pokemon

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ice is still the worst, but the gap between it and 2nd worst has shrunk by like 80%, and honestly that's a fair place to be.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the hell is snow

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hail got retconned. It no longer damages, but it does increase the defense of ice-types.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hail's replacement. No longer deals chip damage to Pokemon that don't have the Ice type but in return increases the Defense of Ice type Pokemon by 50%.

        So in a nutshell every Pokemon with Snow Warning gets a free boost to their Defense stat.

        So, like Sandstorm for rocks but less features now?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hail's biggest problem was that it would damage your whole team if you weren't running a full squad of Ice-types. Snow fixes this, and lets you more freely run the weather without worrying about overcommiting to one type. They also added a signature move for the two Slowking forms that casts Snow and switches out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Abilities that required Hail to be active like Slush Rush, Snow Cloak, and Ice Body still work. They were changed to require Snow instead. Blizzard also retains it's accuracy boost.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hail's biggest problem was that it would damage your whole team if you weren't running a full squad of Ice-types. Snow fixes this, and lets you more freely run the weather without worrying about overcommiting to one type. They also added a signature move for the two Slowking forms that casts Snow and switches out.

          Abilities that required Hail to be active like Slush Rush, Snow Cloak, and Ice Body still work. They were changed to require Snow instead. Blizzard also retains it's accuracy boost.

          Snow is better than Sandstorm and the other weather abilities because not only does slowking forms cast snow and switch out but Snow has access to Aurora Veil which reduces physical and sp-atk damage moves by 1/3. Add on to ice takes taking 50% less damage from physical moves and using mons with Intimidate results in the enemy team physical attacker mons doing barely any damage to ice types.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Snow has access to Aurora Veil which reduces physical and sp-atk damage moves by 1/3
            It’s 1/2nd, not 1/3rd.
            You only get 1/3rd with an Ice type + Veil under Snow and this only applies to Def.
            +4 0 Atk Mew Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 346-408 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
            +4 0 Atk Mew Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur with an ally's Aurora Veil: 173-204 (46.6 - 54.9%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO
            +4 0 Atk Mew Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur in Snow: 232-274 (62.5 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
            +4 0 Atk Mew Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur in Snow with an ally's Aurora Veil: 116-137 (31.2 - 36.9%) -- 76.3% chance to 3HKO

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Plus mons like Articuno who has snow cloak so that makes them even strong.
              And before anyone says no we are not playing by smogon shit format but by VGC. Doubles will always be the superior battle style instead of shit singles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Doubles will always be the superior battle style
                lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                take your single stall format to smogon homosexual. Doubles will be superior since it has more options going on and is faster pace.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have ADHD

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gen 9
                >Stall
                moron alert!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >slowking forms
            But they're ugly.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ugly very true, but extremely effective. Chilly Reception is pretty broken on a slow bulky mon with regenerator, even if Psychic is still a bad typing due to knock off.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hail's replacement. No longer deals chip damage to Pokemon that don't have the Ice type but in return increases the Defense of Ice type Pokemon by 50%.

      So in a nutshell every Pokemon with Snow Warning gets a free boost to their Defense stat.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought Rock was pretty ass and thought what it does, Ground and Steel can often do better.
    Stealth Rock being the type's greatest crutch.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the worst defensive type is fighting, because literally zero mons would benefit from a defensive tera fighting.
    bug: useful if you want to resist ground and fighting without being weak to ice and electric
    psychic: good tera for rock type mons that want to resist fighting while also losing their weakness to steel and hitting iron hands and amoonguss supereffectively (useful in vgc)
    ice: even ice has a niche, if you want a raging bolt that resists ice, gains +1 def in snow and loses its ground weakness without gaining a grass weakness (you know, ogerpon)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tera fight helps you survive Kingambit's Sucker Punches while boosting your own Gambit's Low Kick. It's rare but definitely sees play.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No weakest type is Psychic. That is why GF keeps pairing it with so many secondary types.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Glaceon should get Snow Warning

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would be better than icy body.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, articuno should. Its whole lore is about bringing snow with it just like moltres brings spring with it. The birds should’ve gotten the weather abilities when hidden abilities got introduced

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Since Ice Types no longer suck
    Not even on my dick or balls?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stay the frick away from my Aurorus you freak.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Fairy
    2. Steel
    3. Ghost
    4. Water
    5. Ground
    6. Fire
    7. Flying
    8. Fighting
    9. Dark
    10. Dragon
    11. Electric
    12. Poison
    13. Grass
    14. Bug
    15. Psychic
    16. Normal
    17. Rock
    18. Ice

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ranking bug anywhere other than last is probably the easiest way to tell if someone doesn't actually play pvp

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I play singles. Bug is good defensively and has U-turn, Sticky Webs, and Mega Horn. You have to only play VGC if you think Bug is the worst.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I play 6v6 clown format
          ftfy

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            6v6 singles is real Pokemon. It's how the game was designed since Red and Green came out 10 years before you were born.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > It's how the game was designed since Red and Green

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and? No one plays NC97 but people still play Gen 1 6v6 singles

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          U-turn benefits non-bugs a whole lot more than it benefits bug type.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            U-turn is the best move in the game. Bug types receive STAB on it so that's something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd probably put normal a bit higher than Psychic and Bug.
      I also think Fire is wildly overrated here. It should be like... 11th.
      Other than that, good list.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'd probably put normal a bit higher than Psychic and Bug.
        Not after all the nerfs it's gotten. Removing Frustration/Return really, really hurt the type. Imagine if you removed Earthquake. Ground would go from being one of the best types to being bottom 5.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the worst Arceus form?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just looked up Ubers usage and it's Bug, then Ice, then Dragon (not worth running over Fairy, I guess).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dragon is a terrible type due to Fairy. Easily one of the worst in the game.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Normal. Bug has utility for it's STAB users at least.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everyone is saying bug but it's actually rock.
    rock has literally zero redeeming qualities. where good bug types or ice types still benefit from their typing in less direct ways, such as quiver dance, sticky webs, snow abuse, etc. the only thing rocks get for being rock type is the least reliable STAB in the game and a spdef boost in the worst weather condition. seriously, just compare megahorn to stone edge. it's fricking sad. every single rock type, save for ttar who sets its own sand, would be better off not being a rock type.
    the type inherently needs insane bullshit a la glimmora/garganacl or massively inflated BST to even be usable. so, simply put, rock is unequivocally the worst type in the entire game.

    fun fact, it's also the only type that has never had a mon in ubers save for its token arceus form. even bug has genesect and pheromosa. even normal has mega kanga and bloodmoon ursaluna. hell, ice has three ubers from this gen alone. but there are literally no rock types in the entire history of pokemon that have ever been too good for OU.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > rock has literally zero redeeming qualities
      It has some of the best offensive moves in the game and a free defensive boost in sand.

      Bug literally does fricking nothing. It’s just Grass but with drastically less utility and less useful resistances.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        read the rest of my post before you reply, please. as i already stated, being a bug type generally means you have access to unique bug-type moves like quiver dance and sticky web. sand is and always has been irrelevant, sand teams have never existed, and the best sand mon is excadrill who isn't even rock type.
        and while i'll give you rock moves being good offensively, they're a coverage type. you DON'T want rock STAB, you want actually good stab and then access to stone edge on the side.
        to explain further, due to the unreliability of rock moves, they're terrible choices for your main option. if your best attacking move is stone edge, and you need two hits to knock something out, 1/3rd of the time you're just flat out going to fail to KO because of a miss.
        rock moves are best as coverage moves because you're relying on other moves for consistent damage and only clicking stone edge against specific targets or when your best options would otherwise be ineffective.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >have access to unique bug-type moves like quiver dance
          Barely any bug types get this.

          >and sticky web
          Barely any bug types get this and is also rarely worth using outside of clown 6v6 formats.

          > sand is and always has been irrelevant, sand teams have never existed,
          Play the game

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if you're not going to argue in good faith, i suppose there's no point in continuing this discussion. have fun pretending to be moronic, i guess.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you’re not arguing in good faith because you don’t agree with me!!!
              tired meme

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rock is a great offensive type. Rock slide being a must staple in doubles, the format that only matters

      >gains rock type
      >instantly goes from incineroar at home to one of the best pokemon even with dlc power creep

      Because it still has good stats, intimidate is meta and the rock typing makes it even better as a offensive mon with intimidate and still has a 90 base which is solid. So the Rock typing actually helped Arcanine.

      Only in Doubles

      The best format so thanks for pointing that out anon.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gains rock type
    >instantly goes from super niche to utter dogshit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one asked for Avalugg to have a regional form in the first place. Not even Sandstorm can save it from a neutral special attack considering how slow Avalugg is. (32 -> 48 in Sandstorm)

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gains rock type
    >instantly goes from incineroar at home to one of the best pokemon even with dlc power creep

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only in Doubles

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s rock. Why would you use rock when stealth rock exists.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The people saying Rock are probably right and Game Freak is too much of a b***h to do anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll be honest, I have the sensation that rock is so bland as a type that GF just forgets about it, so they never get meaningful attention

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they made Garg I guess?

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not the worst type, but I want to give a shoutout to how absolutely horrible and powercrept Psychic is. Only being kept alive by Terrain memes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 1 psychic was a nightmare because of bad coding and it has been paying for that ever since

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's funny is that as the meta developed, people started to realize Normal was the problem child of Gen 1 and not Psychic. Alakazam fears the Chansey/Tauros/Snorlax

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this thread is fricking hilarious to read for people who actually play PvP. Psychic is the worst type? Even though it's one of the most common archetypes right now? Really?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      VGC isn't the only competitive format. Smogon is just as popular.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Smogon is just as popular
        Not even remotely close. Even BSS 3v3 is more popular than Smogon’s fanfic.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All Smogon formats combined add up to about 2.5 million battles monthly. That's up there with the amount of people who play VGC.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's up there with the amount of people who play VGC
            you're right
            there's way more than that amount who play BSS and BSD though

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              do you have hard numbers or are you just gonna get pissy at people who play the format the games themselves train them for

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >do you have hard numbers
                My hard numbers are the fact that it's the formats that are actually on cart and not a simulator that only a tiny fraction of the fanbase uses.

                Are you an esl or just a moron?

                Are you an esl or just a moron?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pokemon Showdown isn't a tiny fraction of the competitive fanbase. It's probably 40 - 50% of the comp fanbase. Competitive overall only amounts to probably 5% of the Pokemon fanbase however. The majority of people who play Pokemon are consooomers who just buy the newest slop every year just like they buy the yearly FIFA or Madden.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pokemon Showdown isn't a tiny fraction of the competitive fanbase
                Yes it is.

                >It's probably 40 - 50% of the comp fanbase
                You only think this because you don't actually play the game so your only exposure to PvP is staring at fanfic tier lists.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >My hard numbers are the fact that it's the formats that are actually on cart and not a simulator that only a tiny fraction of the fanbase uses.
                hold on anon I have a link for you
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m glad you’ve learned what fallacies are and realized you’re wrong.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Smogon fanfiction is a small town community with pedos lurking. No way is smogon more popular then VGC

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Smogon is way larger than you think. That's why so many people seethe about them. If it was just a small community no one would care if Smogon was suspect testing Last Resort in Ubers. It's only because Smogon is so big that people throw a shitfit about it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No. People seethe about smogon because of their fanfiction meta rules and think they have to play by smogon rules when they don't. Plus it is the same anons crying about smogon in the first place on /vp. The pokemon community is much larger than people think and majority have not even heard of smogon.
              The only real power smogon has in Ubers. Anything else is a joke. If morons can't figure out they don't have to play by smogon small community rules oh well.

              Back on topic, ice type offensive capabilities caps its defensive issues and Snow/Veil helps ice types bulk problem. If we are talking about the weakest type in terms of offensive and defensive capability, it will be bug. Psychic is still a strong offensive type even if dark types and knock off gets in their way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you an esl or just a moron?

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All I'm getting from this thread is what not the worst type is but how fricking desperate vgcgays are in need of validation

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more like campaignshitters who do nothing but stare at tier lists need validation.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Campaign
        >Tier lists
        VGCissies have lost the plot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >play campaign
          >too afraid of losing to actually play PvP but want to pretend you're knowledgeable about PvP
          >stare at tier lists and watch False Swipe Gaming videos

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >too afraid of losing to actually play PvP but want to pretend you're knowledgeable about PvP
            But 6v6 is actual PvP. VGC is a separate format.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Please show me where the 6v6 option is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >deflection
                concession accepted

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not deflection. I accept your concession however.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please show me where the 6v6 option is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why don't you stay in the shitty thread you made instead of shitting up the thread every time someone mentions singles
        seething every time someone doesn't play the same thing as you do can't be healthy

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is bait right? ice still sucks thanks to water having coverage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cool! I’ll use a water-type!
      >don’t have STAB
      >don’t have freeze-dry
      >don’t have icicle crash
      >don’t have ice spinner
      >don’t have ice shard
      >don’t have sheer cold
      >don’t have snow defense boost
      >don’t have aurora veil
      >proceed to lose

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's no way this is a genuine post. There is no way you don't think water is a top 3 type.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Water is terrible because of its Electric weakness and the fact that it's massively outclassed by Ground and Rock offensively, and unlike Water, those types both resist Electric. Defensively it's only good for Toxic stall, and even then Garganacl's presence makes Water very undesirable in OU. Even in UU Naclstack is a legitimate threat.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Ice being good mean I can use Weavile now?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure why not

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >smogon vs vgc

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