Why do people always say it's basically just Hoenn again? It's literally as different from Hoenn as you can get while still being a Japan based region. Do people just say this because it kept a lot of the elements introduced in Hoenn, like berries, contests, double battles, etc? Because it brought back a lot of gen 2 features as well, but no one ever calls Sinnoh a Johto rip-off. If anything I feel like Sinnoh was supposed to combine elements from all 3 of the prior regions;
>150 mons in the dex and the most common mons are all from Kanto.
>Day/Night cycle, cross-gen evos, and mythological focus like Johto.
>Overall similar "structure" to Hoenn, while carrying over features staple features like berries and contests.
There's also a lot of minor call backs like Professor Rowen returning from Kanto, the secret potion being what you use to heal the psyduck, and so on. It's what makes Sinnoh feel like the "ultimate" pokemon region.
>It's what makes Sinnoh feel like the "ultimate" pokemon region.
No wonder it's so fricking soulless. No identity of its own, sounds similar to another region.
Mouthbreather take, Sinnoh is plenty unique, it just also combines elements from past games because its not ashamed of the series' legacy.
>First snowy area in the entire series
>Uniquely has a centralizing landmark that you revisit throughout the game and explore in full near the end
>First gen to do global online trading and battling
>Has a distinct musical leitmotif that focuses on more downbeat, melancholic themes rather than upbeat adventurous ones like the first 3 gens.
and so on. Sinnoh is one of the most unique regions in the series, they never attempted anything like it again.
They've done all of that since.
Closest thing is Kalos, but Kalos did it worse because it came after nu-gen casualization set in.
>4th gen
>not nu
Are you 11 years old?
DP were 18 years ago Grampa.
Doesn't mean they aren't nu-gen.
Gen 1-2 are the classic gens, gen 3-5 are the golden age, and gen 6+ are nu-gen. This is the new consensus oldgay, if you don't like you can go ahead and move on, shouldn't you have a wife and kids by now?
>3-5 are the golden age
Every time lmao
it's true.
nugen starts at 1/4096 shiny odds and free perfect IVs
It's arguably the region with the strongest identity. No other region has something like Mt Coronet that everything was built around. It also has unique elite 4 types at a time where it was always shit like dark/ghost/dragon/fighting
It was the first region with snow and muddy routes too
Old Chateau was unprecedented as well
There's just so many that you can see and instantly tell that it's from Sinnoh
This is all well and good but the execution was so bad. If it had gen 5 aesthetics and a better dex it would've been good but to me it was a downgrade from gen 3 in every way.
whats wrong with the dex
>the execution was so bad
It objectively wasn't, at all
>Why do people always say it's basically just Hoenn again?
>Overall similar "structure" to Hoenn
I don't agree, but did you read your own post?
Having a similar map design philosophy doesn't make the Sinnoh region derivative, just like how the other similarities I mentioned in regards to other regions doesn't make it a copy of those regions, either.
>structure is just map design
>ignore that I mentioned features like berries and contests on the same sentence
You need to write better if you don't want this to happen.
Map design is what I meant by structure, yes, I don't see any structural similarities aside from that. Hold over features like Berries and Contests aren't proof of anything, gamefreak was just keeping what people liked because if its not broken why fix it? Same reason they brought back the time based features people b***hed were gone in gen 3, people liked it, so they included it. Novel idea these days maybe, but back then it was the standard.
I've never seen anyone say that
holy fricking shit stop making gen war threads christ this place is boring
OP proves himself wrong in his own post and calls others mouth breathers el mao
>Reading comprehension? Nuance? What's that? Things are either entirely or entirely false, there can never be instances where people are partially true but miss the bigger picture
How is this not a mouthbreather thought process? Rub your brain cells together and stop thinking in binary, there's more to reality than yes and no.
Hoenngays know Sinnoh mogs them in every capacity so they desperately try to cling to relevancy by pointing out how Hoenn did it first.
>ripoff the fire/fighting starter from Hoenn
>ripoff off the team trying to get legendary Pokemon to fix non problem plot from Hoenn
>ripoff autistic friendly rival gimmick from Hoenn
>ripoff champion randomly meeting and helping you from Hoenn and Johto
>ripoff champion being an archaeologist fro mhoenn
>ripoff adding evolutions and pre evolutions (but uglier) from Johto
>ripoff the post game from Hoenn
>rip off secret bases; but worse
>rip off contest; but worse
>ripoff the 3rd version has 3rd legendary now in plot to help from Hoenn
>basically the same graphics and engine as Gens 3s, but somehow slower
>jumps the shark on God like pokemon
>furshit introduced in Hoenn dialed up to 11
>rip off secret bases; but worse
Nofriends
Hoenn ripped off the fire starter, team, rival, champion, and gameplay from Kanto.
and created battle tents
>Could just as easily argue that Swampert rips of Quagsire
>Sinnoh does it way better
>Barry mogs both "rivals" from hoenn and its not even close. His impatience is a commentary on how homosexuals who rush through the game miss out on the important stuff
>Hoenn ripped this off from Johto first so who cares, having the champion be an actual character with relevance shouldn't be a one and done thing anyway
>Massive stretch to call Cynthia an archeologist, she's a historian while Steven is a rock collector
>Again, cross gen evos shouldn't be a one and done thing, and luckily gamefreak has realized that
>LMFAO Sinnoh's post game is everything Hoenn's was and more.
>It's a different take on the same idea, nothing wrong with that every gen does it.
>I'll give you this one actually, gen 4 contests suck
>Sinnoh does it way better
>??? Games in the same series tend to have a similar look, who the hell are you fooling? How is this a real complaint?
>Sinnoh is based for this and is yet to be topped
>There's been furshit since the inception of the franchise, it was inevitable
>basically the same graphics and engine as Gens 3s
are you fricking blind?
>Infernape>Blaziken
>Cyrus>Archie and Maxie
>Barry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>May
>by your own admission hoenn already ripped this off from johto.
>Steven is not an archaeologist
>wasn't this thread supposed to be about hoenn?
>Battle Frontier+additional routes>just the Frontier
>underground where you dig for items>bases which are useless if you don't have friends
>lol contests
>Giratina pulling you into the distortion world>watching a cutscene where Rayquaza fixes everything
>homie balls
>subjective
>Blaziken is a more egregious fursuit than anything in sinnoh. yes, even Lopunny. jury's still out on Lucario.
sinnoh>hoenn
That image is awesome as frick
literally nobody says that, you guys are literally just making shit up to argue about now. genwarring is a mental illness.
>Why do people always say it's basically just Hoenn again?
Well, technically it isn’t, because it’s worse in every conceivable way from Hoenn.
>Why do people always say it's basically just Hoenn again?
Someone forgot their meds again
>Why do people always say it's basically just Hoenn again?
It's yawngay
>Why do people always say it's basically just Hoenn again?
I've never heard anyone say that. If it was Hoenn again, it would be good, instead of a barely-traversible nightmare region so bad it directly led to the homogenization of future regions and the eventual phasing out of HMs entirely.
Sinnoh was a mistake.
>If it was Hoenn again, it would be good
Instead it was great
HMs were literally removed in response to criticism about ORAS
HMs were way worse in Hoenn
>20 BP rock smash
>70% accuracy flash
>3 (T H R E E) fricking water HMs in a gen where they're all special moves so surf is the only one with a point.
In Sinnoh Rock smash got buffed to 40 BP, fly got buffed to 90 BP, Flash got replaced by defog which can easily be ignored if you just use the shock wave and aerial ace TMs like you're supposed to, there are only 2 water HMs and they're both decent moves worth using in their own right since 1 is physical and the other is special.
It's hilarious how half the replies here are anons claiming no one ever says this, and the other half are anons arguing for why its true.
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There's only one person arguing for it, and it's yawngay.
GEN 4 WAS THE BEST AND LAST GOOD GAME
>GEN 4 WAS THE BEST
yeah!
>THE. LAST GOOD GAME
gen 5 and 7 are good
gen 7 is trash
Sinnoh feels nothing like hoenn, if anything it feels more like johto