Sinnoh is the best region.

Say what you want about the Sinnoh games as a whole but Sinnoh, as a region, is fricking fantastic.
It's got a reasonable handful of unique biomes yet explicitly keeps them all believably tied into a northern climate.
It has a consistency in its overall atmosphere that keeps it all feeling distinct and memorable as a cohesive whole.
The way in which you progress through it is also great in my opinion.
It's the perfect mix of linear and non-linear, with just enough backtracking to make the region feel like a sandbox you're uncovering and settling into rather than a series of linear areas you're being guided through, yet not so much backtracking that your progression feels senseless.
All the complaints and criticisms Sinnoh faces are inflated beyond their actual proportions, too.
HMs only start to become excessive late game and by then you'd ought to have a lot of pokemon so it's not an issue.
Things like the snow and mud are minorly annoying at worst, and they increase your overall playtime by like, MAYBE 5 minutes, most of your time will be spent battling anyway.
The regional dex is a touch small in DP but it's not remotely hard to put together a good team unless you explicitly apply your own autistic restrictions on what can and can't be used.
The fact that these are the best criticisms people can come up with is really a testament to Sinnoh's overall quality.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's got a reasonable handful of unique biomes
    "grassland with mountain", "cave", and "snow" aren't a handful of unique biomes, it's complete shit
    >It has a consistency in its overall atmosphere that keeps it all feeling distinct and memorable as a cohesive whole
    Yeah it's memorable because of how distinctly shit it is and you remember the game constantly spamming geodude/zubat/machop lines at you
    >The way in which you progress through it is also great in my opinion
    Yeah I love finding shitty lazily made roadblocks everywhere on top of the 8.5 HMs
    >It's the perfect mix of linear and non-linear
    No, it's just linear

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Discord.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure what my transgender friend here is talking about, none of those "issues" exist in BDSP.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do kalos kids complain about kinnoh so much?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They don’t like actually well designed regions

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >XY dungeons
          >each one is distinct with several unique pokemon that makes traversing it actually fun

          >Shitnoh dungeons
          >GEODUDE ZUBAT GEODUDE GEODUDE ZUBAT GEODUDE GOLBAT GEODUDE walking simulator

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why don’t you just go play a bad rom hack like radical reddit if you hate encountering the same pokemon twice

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >AAAAAIIIIIIII A-ARE THOSE?? ROCKS AND BATS IN A CAVE??!? NOOOOOOOOOOO KALOS-SAMA SAVE ME WITH YOUR OVER-INFLATED DEX SIZE TO HIDE THE COMPLETE LACK OF ACTUAL NEW POKÉMON

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              A-ARE THOSE?? THE GAME POINTLESSLY WASTING MY TIME WITH THE SAME 2 ENCOUNTERS??!? KALOS-SAMA SAVE ME WITH YOUR ACTUAL FUN WELL DESIGNED GAMEPLAY
              this but unironically

              also anon I hate to break this to you but Platinum has exactly zero new Pokemon so it also fails to beat XY in that department.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                > but Platinum has exactly zero new Pokemon
                Um actually yawnie, it has the rotom forms, Shaymin(not available in any previous game without glitching), and Giratina-Origin

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Platinum isn’t a new game moron it’s a directors cut of DP. Imagine trying to spin the lack of a Z version in your favour.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Platinum isn’t a new game
                Yes it is.

                Mindlessly spamming random mons in a zone isn’t good design

                [...]
                >I saw no noticeable difference with RS and Emerald's battle speeds
                That’s exactly what I am saying, Emerald didn’t change RS’s speed which is why there’s no meme about RS being slow.
                Also gen 3 has the HP scrolling bug too, but it scrolls twice faster due to 60 fps (the bug is that only one HP gets drained per frame). Same goes for gen 5

                >Mindlessly spamming random mons in a zone isn’t good design
                Good thing XY doesn’t do that and every Pokemon is thoughtfully placed then, huh?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mindlessly spamming random mons in a zone isn’t good design

                No, you can see this with DP alone. I saw no noticeable difference with RS and Emerald's battle speeds, and they definitely didn't feel as slow. You might even notice gen 4 had the same HP scrolling bug as gen 2 did, but you didn't notice it there until Red because of the low as frick level scaling.

                >I saw no noticeable difference with RS and Emerald's battle speeds
                That’s exactly what I am saying, Emerald didn’t change RS’s speed which is why there’s no meme about RS being slow.
                Also gen 3 has the HP scrolling bug too, but it scrolls twice faster due to 60 fps (the bug is that only one HP gets drained per frame). Same goes for gen 5

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                there's no meme about rs being slow because it isn't slow compared to the other games moron

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every game has slow moments though
                If Emerald increased RS’ dive speed, indoors speed or battle intro speed people would be calling RS slow. They don’t become they have no game that are faster with the same engine to compare it to

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This moron has no eye for environments and it shows. Sinnoh has
      >Valleys
      >Farmland
      >Meadows
      >Marshland
      >Coastal beaches
      >Snowy tundras
      >Misty and snowy mountaintops
      Sprinkle in some landmarks like the old chateau nestled in eterna forest, the lost tower sitting in a crater in the riverlands of route 209, Solaceon ruins hidden in a grotto near the farmlands, and of course, spear pillar protruding at Mt Coronets peak, and you’ve got yourself a good ass region filled with a distinctly ominous and historic identity. I swear to god some of you won’t be pleased unless every region has some mish-mash of every biome on the planet. Sinnoh feels like a studio ghibli setting, in a good way.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Facts.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    True

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OP is still seething from

    [...]

    completely BTFOing his game
    lmao

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >go find this post in the archive
      >it was posted more than 6 months ago
      >the same moron is posting the same shit here

      >It's got a reasonable handful of unique biomes


      "grassland with mountain", "cave", and "snow" aren't a handful of unique biomes, it's complete shit
      >It has a consistency in its overall atmosphere that keeps it all feeling distinct and memorable as a cohesive whole
      Yeah it's memorable because of how distinctly shit it is and you remember the game constantly spamming geodude/zubat/machop lines at you
      >The way in which you progress through it is also great in my opinion
      Yeah I love finding shitty lazily made roadblocks everywhere on top of the 8.5 HMs
      >It's the perfect mix of linear and non-linear
      No, it's just linear

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah turns out critiques against low quality games are still valid after 6 months when no one refutes them

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          but enough about galar

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    not anymore

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like Sinnoh. Love the region, pokemon, lore, music. But the HMs are a bit silly, lol.

    >recently finish Pearl
    >trying to collect all the Poketch apps
    >see some guy in Sunyshore gives you 3 for showing him pokemon with specific natures
    >run around the city looking for his house, finally find it gated behind rock climb
    >run back to the pokemon center and pick up Bidoof
    >run all the way back to his house
    >realize I grabbed the wrong Bidoof that doesn't have Rock Climb
    AHHHHHH. Why are they spamming this shit in a town lol

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You would also already have Rock Climb at this point in the game too, so it's not like I would be backtracking for a secret

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That was my childhood.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm so sorry

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        take meds Chuddie

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          why are you obsessed with meds? I guess I would use drugs to escape reality if my childhood was shit too.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      underage and ba-
      >DP came out in 2007 in US

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Johto is the best region.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Explain to a boomer who never played Diamond or Pearl (or any pokemon game after gen 4) what went wrong with Sinnoh as a region

    Looking at OP's pic, Sinnoh looks pretty comfy and the starters all have cool designs. I also consider Gen 4 to be the last canon gen considering pokemon designs took a fricking nose dive after.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      We larping today? I wanna be a trillionaire.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >We larping today?

        How am I larping? I just want to hear what's wrong with Sinnoh. I never played Diamond or Pearl....

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes you just happen to be the tenth boomer who never played the games you're about to defend against all criticism in the last week. Very convenient. If anyone believes this at this point I have a bridge to sell them.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you're about to defend against all criticism

            Lol ok schizo. How can I defend something I never fricking played?? I just said OPs map looks comfy and the starters look cool (the only gen 4 pokemon i know)

            >Explain to a boomer who never played Diamond or Pearl (or any pokemon game after gen 4) what went wrong with Sinnoh as a region
            Honestly just go fire up an emulator and play DP, form your own opinion. Genwars have been co-opted by the most mentally ill. Even classic complaints for regions have been twisted and mutated into terrible overexaggerated shitposts.

            >Honestly just go fire up an emulator and play DP
            I have zero desire to play DP. I'll consider maybe trying the romhack. I just saw the thread and was curious what were the complaints. Im a Johto gay and although I'm biased I understand the complaints with the region

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Explain to a boomer who never played Diamond or Pearl (or any pokemon game after gen 4) what went wrong with Sinnoh as a region
      Honestly just go fire up an emulator and play DP, form your own opinion. Genwars have been co-opted by the most mentally ill. Even classic complaints for regions have been twisted and mutated into terrible overexaggerated shitposts.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No don't play it it sucks

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing is wrong with Sinnoh. It's a great region and fun to make your way through it. You should play through Platinum

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      snow, fog, mud, hms, too much cave, 30 fps, slow bag, bad new evolutions, god pokemon, shitty story, honey trees, bad pokemon distribution at least in base DP, saving a lot of data.....
      yawngay will fill you in on the rest. i love sinnoh btw

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        None of these are bad

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          honey trees are. you'll almost never get a munhclax on a normal playthrough. at least changing with the time works for the great marsh and drifloon

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Munchlax being rare is based. Rarity is what makes things valuable and creates unique experiences in these games, which is exactly what the new games lack.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Honey trees were cancer though

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not much more than berry farming
                I guess the fact that you can get nothing is annoying but that’s about it

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >plant berry
                >come back and get 2-4 of the same berry

                >put honey down expecting munchlax or combee or burmy
                >come back and get wurmple

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You forgot the part where the only berries that are actually good for contests in gen 3 (excluding e reader bullshit) take 48 hours to grow (honey trees are 6 hours) and drop 1-2 berry, 2 being if you checked back every 16 hours to water them.
                And you only get one of each of these berries.
                And it’s locked behind a password that isn’t indicated anywhere in the game.
                And 2 of these passwords you can only enter after beating the hall of fame.
                And 2 others you can only enter if you have seen Latios or Latias respectively, two post game, roaming, version exclusive Pokémon.
                B-but yeah Sinnoh honey trees that’s the real issue that’s bad haha

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                i was specifically talking about growing berries in dppt you sperg

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                DPPt did make berry farming better but it’s still longer than honey trees and you need to check back multiple times to water them if you want the maximum amount of berries

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not defending the slowness, but my OCD needs to point out that
        >30 fps
        >slow bag
        have nothing to do with the region. Those are game engine problems. I could argue further that pokemon and story have nothing to do with map design as well.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It shares a lot of problems with Johto - general slowness, bad Pokemon distribution in DP, and annoying time-based events like honey trees and certain evolution methods. Most people today play on speed up, so the slowness is not a problem, and most of the new Pokemon you can catch easily are actually usable unlike in Johto. And obviously you can change the DS clock, but you shouldn't have to do that in the first place.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s weird because I only see people complain about the games being "slow" now, with speed up being readily available, I never saw anybody mention this at the time when everyone was playing on hardware and speed up wasn’t a thing.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I noticed it as a kid in Diamond after playing Emerald. The random delays in battles and "saving a lot of data" were easy to see. You didn't see anyone complain about it in 2006 because huge public platforms like YouTube and Twitter weren't a thing back then, it was still isolated forums and chatrooms.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The saving a lot of data thing is the only thing I saw people poke fun at even online
            The battle delays only started being acknowledged when platinum came out and people were only comparing it to platinum

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              When a battle starts, you can see the Poke ball staying on the screen for 10 years before the Pokemon is released. Then there's always weird pauses between each transition. Emerald's battles felt way snappier.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not just the start of the battle, it's every Pokemon the opponent releases.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can see this now that platinum released but before then it was less noticeable because every battle system has slow moments. Few people complain about RS’s slow battle intros (both for wild pokemon and trainers) because no other gen 3 game changed it, but if Emerald did speed it up then everyone would see it in RS too

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, you can see this with DP alone. I saw no noticeable difference with RS and Emerald's battle speeds, and they definitely didn't feel as slow. You might even notice gen 4 had the same HP scrolling bug as gen 2 did, but you didn't notice it there until Red because of the low as frick level scaling.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              The walking speed surfing was also extremely noticeable. I was in middle school when dp came out and my friends and I all complained about the surfing and saving a lot of data.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        honey trees are. you'll almost never get a munhclax on a normal playthrough. at least changing with the time works for the great marsh and drifloon

        Honey trees were cancer though

        >plant berry
        >come back and get 2-4 of the same berry

        >put honey down expecting munchlax or combee or burmy
        >come back and get wurmple

        Honey trees are a fine mechanic I have no fricking idea why they’re such an issue for some people. You can do more than 1 tree at once, so if you slather 2-3 trees at a time just in the areas surrounding whatever town/city you’re in, you’ll pretty quickly find whatever mon you’re looking for. I remember when I was filling out the dex during my most recent Pearl run I found all the honey tree encounters aside from heracross and munchlax by the time I got to Eterna

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I got lucky so not my problem
          I'm glad you were blessed by RNG for early Munchlax trees and hit the 1% chance. Most people aren't so fortunate.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Reading comprehension

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              My bad. That is a nothing post then because

              heracross and munchlax are the only relevant encounters

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          heracross and munchlax are the only relevant encounters

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wurmple and its cocoon forms are the only possible honey tree encounters that are not exclusive to this method

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              female combee and munchlax

              >combee
              >burmy
              >cherubi
              shitmons

              >aipom
              incredibly mid in-game

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Vespiquen isn’t a shitmon with its bulk and 3 signature moves.
                Ambipom is very fast and hits pretty hard with stab normal moves.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                vespiquen is 100% a shitmon when it doesn't do anything aside wall stuff badly with its shit typing and average defensive stats. signature moves don't automatically make something good. it suffers from gen 2 nu-mon syndrome where it's overly hard to find but still garbage in battle

                ambipom is okay but uninteresting. stab normal is not special at all

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it suffers from gen 2 nu-mon syndrome
                gen2 is nu-mon?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                A lot of GSC's new Pokemon are overly difficult to obtain and suck ass in the main game. See Xatu, Mantine, Dunsparce, most of the bugs, etc.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                102 defensive stats are good enough for the main game and a 90 bp bug stab is good.
                Ambipom is one of the fastest pokemon in DP’s regional dex

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it suffers from gen 2 nu-mon syndrome
                Nah. I’m not a fan of Gen 4 mon, but Vespiqueen’s problem is that bug/flying is a dogshit type. Doesn’t help that finding a male Combee is a waste of time.

                Gen 2 rare mon are mostly redundant AND have significantly worse stat totals than Vespiqueen. Poor bastards.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn’t help that finding a male Combee is a waste of time
                you can soft reset to change the gender

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >soft reset
                which is also wasting time

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                how's it any different from running around in the grass to catch a female snorunt for example

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                ngl i thought vespiquen's bst was lower than it really was. however it's still barely usable with its typing and terrible offensive stats
                assuming you don't soft reset the gender, female combee and heracross actually have similar encounter rates. which one is better in-game? obviously the one with much better offensive stats, typing, and moves

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                i've used both vespiquen and ambipom without any issue. you are a pleb.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            female combee and munchlax

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gen 4 to be the last canon gen considering pokemon designs took a fricking nose dive after.
      >after
      Gen 4 has the worst Pokedex. They spent all their time on the shillmons, Lucario, Garchomp, Rotom, and Croagunk.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah 5, 7, 8, and 9 are worse

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They spent all their time on the [most popular nu-gen pokemon, only ones close to Kanto pokemon in popularity]
        Sounds like they made the right decision to me.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    yup

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    trufax: people that hate sinnoh all wish they were women, so their opinions are safely disreguarded.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s cool that it was built around a central area (Mt coronet). Really puts the emphasis on the theological themes of Sinnoh.
    Also the games are the best as well. Well, if you only take the first game of every gen into account then DP gets seconded by BW, but nothing compares to Platinum

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >sinnovary and also unovabortion

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. That’s called being a normal person

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guys I found the most straight sinnoh hater

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"sinnoh bad because you can't use Gliscor until the post-game in DP"
      >"HGSS fixed all of the issues DPPT have"
      >still can't use Gliscor until the post-game
      Must be autism. Platinum is the only Gen 4 you can play through with a Gliscor lol.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      meds

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that it’s very easy to check if a tree can produce a Munchlax
    If a tree gives you lots of Combee and few Wurmple then it’s a Munchlax tree

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >snowy, cold region
    >new designs have vibrant colors
    Why? On top of not being a big fan of Gen 4’s “Gen 3 taken further” design style, the color palettes look all wrong for the climate of the region, in my opinion.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      only the northern part of Sinnoh is snowy.

      The rest of the island is based on Mediterranean countries. Battle Zone is tropical, Spear Pillar designed after Greco-Romano ruins, Lucario and Weavile are both Egyptian.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah it's objectively one of the worst regions and gens overally. Just say you grew up playing it and spare us your attempt at justifying your emotional attachment.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Adding the word objectively to your opinion doesn’t make it more valid, it just makes you look moronic

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      nah it’s objectively one of the best

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah its top 10 region for sure.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s better than any region with no actual snow area

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          its in the 90th percentile for regions

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    My counter argument.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      not a very good counter argument

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