Which of these is meant to be that..? Iron Valliant? It's the only one close to a mixed attacked, but it has 116 speed so it isn't slow. What are you trying to even say
>2/3 of its recommended sets are mixed >Air Slash, a move it can learn, gets the Sharpness boost and outdamages Aerial Ace
Its mixed
11 months ago
Anonymous
Literally what the frick are you even seeing? ONE set has surf as an option but secondary to razor shell. No sets are mixed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Grass Knot is special, anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah? One set with one move, that's a mixed attacker?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>3 sets >1 set is pure physical >2 sets run physical and special moves
Yes. That is a mixed attacker.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Or, 2/14 attacking moves across all sets are special, and 12/14 are physical. Nice try cherrypicking some insane framing though. So is 2/14 a mixed attacker to you?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>He runs 14 moves at once
Damn, you must be a pro gamer.
But yes, that would still be a mixed attacker. It uses offensive pressure on both a physical and special end. Mixed attacker.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your sarcasm is wasted when that was a reply to you mentioning 3 sets, when you don't run 3 sets at once. That kind of grasping at straws just shows that not even you think you're right.
11 months ago
Anonymous
My sarcasm was pointing out that, compiling the total amount of possible moves, and not what is run as sets, is fricking moronic.
Still a mixed attacker btw
11 months ago
Anonymous
So we should look at one set at a time? So, again, not at all what you did by trying to analyze all sets as a whole? Which analyzing all sets as a whole is what I did? Cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So we should look at one set at a time?
Yes, and as we can see, there are sets where HSamu runs mixed. Ala, Mixed Attacker.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>sets
I thought this was one set at a time? See now you're doing what you accused me of again, the thing you did first and is only a problem when I do it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stop wasting your time on that moron. And no need to go that far to justify a SFMA, it's just a term used to mock mons with a stat spread favoring having 2 high attack stats over speed/bulk (which usually is far more preferable, for example Grimmsnarl with its 95 sp.att. invested somewhere else, like defense, would have made him more useful)
11 months ago
Anonymous
I just think it's funny seeing him try to justify why a Pokemon with listed mixed sets is, somehow, not a mixed attacker. An easy "define what a mixed attacker means" would be enough to stop the replies if I really wanted.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cringe how you refuse to actually engage with an argument and just repeat the claim. I don't see how you can see a mon with 90% physical moves as a mixed attacker. We can both oversimplify. But if you're too scared to answer to the clear double standard of proof you engage in and opt to being passive aggressive like this instead, I'll just take the W.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>quantity of moves suggested is more important than move usage rate.
Think for a second. Surf/Pump are common on rott and will be as long as Tusk is the tier king. It favors phys but its absolutely a mixed attacker.
>slow
It's not even really that frail with 90/80/65 either. But it's not slow at all.
Slow means not fast. Frail means not bulky
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pump isn't on any set, and surf is listed as a secondary option on just one set. Razor Shell is on every set. If frequency is what matters, you're still wrong then.
11 months ago
Anonymous
First off, he means frequency of use.
Second, the sets that are on Smogons front page are 1. Usually incomplete, and 2. Not always indicative of the actual meta. Anyone who actually plays is well aware that Hydro Pump is a common enough move on HSamu that your Great Tusk shouldn't be freely switching in on it (among other reasons).
You would know this if you played the game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>data? facts? psssh, anecdotes and "trust me bro" are all I need!
Mad because the facts don't back you up? Cope.
alright, so its just a slow frail attacker like rampardos, thanks bro
Stfu you absolute moron.
It's a term used to categorize a stat spread archetype, not how a mon is used in practice.
Grimmsnarl is a SFMA.
Samurott's two highest stats are its att. and spe.att. while not being bulky AND not being fast.
It's a slow frail mixed attacker. Get your definition right, idiot.
No, it buffs Slashing moves by 50% and it’s clearly fricking visible. It means moves like Aqua Jet and Knock Off are completely unaffected by Sharpness, which is a pretty big difference between it and Huge Power.
They wouldn't, Knock Off sucked balls before Gen 6
11 months ago
Anonymous
Knock off became much more common retroactively when people realized how good denying item play was after its buff in Gen 6.
I ran it on my Scizor in Gen 5, and even at base 20 power, it was a move I frequently clicked. Kicking off Leftovers on a Blissey, or a Scarf on a Keldeo or something never hurt, and could win games in some instances. Progress is almost always made with Knock Off.
I know people SAID that, but it's really not that slow. 85 speed is a solid speed tier to be in, as you outspeed and pressure a lot of defensive pokemon, and it has access to priority for faster pokemon.
But yeah, people saying H Samurott wouldn't be good in OU, and that Kleavor would mog it are really eating shit right now.
Because, -1000000 elo kun, being able to beat your own checks is an incredibly strong quality that has been extremely successful in competitive since its inception.
Have you guys tried the Random Roulette ladder? It basically just randomly picks a Randoms match from any gen and places you against someone else. So anything from Gen 1-9. I've gone 4/4, I never played Randoms from anything before like, Gen 7, so its interesting.
bros I nobody cares, but I made top 10 on this ladder. It's super niche, so it really doesn't say much, but this is the only time i've even made top 500 since day 1 gen 9 OU
That meme doesn’t work when it comes to gimmicks. Ceaseless Edge is the only reason why Hisuian Samurott is even used. Without that move it would barely be holding on by a thread in OU if it didn’t drop down already.
Which of these is meant to be that..? Iron Valliant? It's the only one close to a mixed attacked, but it has 116 speed so it isn't slow. What are you trying to even say
samurott
Samurott's ability invisibly buffs its attack by 50%, that's like calling Azumarill or Medicham a mixed attacker
h samurott hydro pump does the same amount as sharpness boosted razor shell
Accuracy
its still a slow frail mixed attacker
It's not.
alright, so its just a slow frail attacker like rampardos, thanks bro
>slow
It's not even really that frail with 90/80/65 either. But it's not slow at all.
And Ceaseless Edge? Aerial Ace? Does Swords Dance buff Hydro Pump? It's not a mixed attacker.
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/samurott-hisui/
>2/3 of its recommended sets are mixed
>Air Slash, a move it can learn, gets the Sharpness boost and outdamages Aerial Ace
Its mixed
Literally what the frick are you even seeing? ONE set has surf as an option but secondary to razor shell. No sets are mixed.
Grass Knot is special, anon.
Oh yeah? One set with one move, that's a mixed attacker?
>3 sets
>1 set is pure physical
>2 sets run physical and special moves
Yes. That is a mixed attacker.
Or, 2/14 attacking moves across all sets are special, and 12/14 are physical. Nice try cherrypicking some insane framing though. So is 2/14 a mixed attacker to you?
>He runs 14 moves at once
Damn, you must be a pro gamer.
But yes, that would still be a mixed attacker. It uses offensive pressure on both a physical and special end. Mixed attacker.
Your sarcasm is wasted when that was a reply to you mentioning 3 sets, when you don't run 3 sets at once. That kind of grasping at straws just shows that not even you think you're right.
My sarcasm was pointing out that, compiling the total amount of possible moves, and not what is run as sets, is fricking moronic.
Still a mixed attacker btw
So we should look at one set at a time? So, again, not at all what you did by trying to analyze all sets as a whole? Which analyzing all sets as a whole is what I did? Cope.
>So we should look at one set at a time?
Yes, and as we can see, there are sets where HSamu runs mixed. Ala, Mixed Attacker.
>sets
I thought this was one set at a time? See now you're doing what you accused me of again, the thing you did first and is only a problem when I do it.
Stop wasting your time on that moron. And no need to go that far to justify a SFMA, it's just a term used to mock mons with a stat spread favoring having 2 high attack stats over speed/bulk (which usually is far more preferable, for example Grimmsnarl with its 95 sp.att. invested somewhere else, like defense, would have made him more useful)
I just think it's funny seeing him try to justify why a Pokemon with listed mixed sets is, somehow, not a mixed attacker. An easy "define what a mixed attacker means" would be enough to stop the replies if I really wanted.
Cringe how you refuse to actually engage with an argument and just repeat the claim. I don't see how you can see a mon with 90% physical moves as a mixed attacker. We can both oversimplify. But if you're too scared to answer to the clear double standard of proof you engage in and opt to being passive aggressive like this instead, I'll just take the W.
>quantity of moves suggested is more important than move usage rate.
Think for a second. Surf/Pump are common on rott and will be as long as Tusk is the tier king. It favors phys but its absolutely a mixed attacker.
Slow means not fast. Frail means not bulky
Pump isn't on any set, and surf is listed as a secondary option on just one set. Razor Shell is on every set. If frequency is what matters, you're still wrong then.
First off, he means frequency of use.
Second, the sets that are on Smogons front page are 1. Usually incomplete, and 2. Not always indicative of the actual meta. Anyone who actually plays is well aware that Hydro Pump is a common enough move on HSamu that your Great Tusk shouldn't be freely switching in on it (among other reasons).
You would know this if you played the game.
>data? facts? psssh, anecdotes and "trust me bro" are all I need!
Mad because the facts don't back you up? Cope.
Stfu you absolute moron.
It's a term used to categorize a stat spread archetype, not how a mon is used in practice.
Grimmsnarl is a SFMA.
Samurott's two highest stats are its att. and spe.att. while not being bulky AND not being fast.
It's a slow frail mixed attacker. Get your definition right, idiot.
So is Lando-T a SFMA?
>Not particularly high defenses
>Average speed
>Both offenses above 100
Checks out
No, it buffs Slashing moves by 50% and it’s clearly fricking visible. It means moves like Aqua Jet and Knock Off are completely unaffected by Sharpness, which is a pretty big difference between it and Huge Power.
People would still use Knock Off if it dealt 0 damage and was just a status move.
You mean like Corrosive Gas, the move that does exactly that but better since in doubles it removes both opponent’s items too?
Yes.
Hah, no.
They wouldn't, Knock Off sucked balls before Gen 6
Knock off became much more common retroactively when people realized how good denying item play was after its buff in Gen 6.
I ran it on my Scizor in Gen 5, and even at base 20 power, it was a move I frequently clicked. Kicking off Leftovers on a Blissey, or a Scarf on a Keldeo or something never hurt, and could win games in some instances. Progress is almost always made with Knock Off.
I know people SAID that, but it's really not that slow. 85 speed is a solid speed tier to be in, as you outspeed and pressure a lot of defensive pokemon, and it has access to priority for faster pokemon.
But yeah, people saying H Samurott wouldn't be good in OU, and that Kleavor would mog it are really eating shit right now.
Its obviously enamorus
>mixed attackers arent mixed attackers because muh sd
i bet you frickers think infernape isnt a mixed attacker, have a nice day
Infernape also gets Nasty Plot, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Mixed attackers are stupid like why wasting points in both attacks when you can use them for more defense or even more attack?
Because, -1000000 elo kun, being able to beat your own checks is an incredibly strong quality that has been extremely successful in competitive since its inception.
>skeledirge, meowscarada dropped
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING
they're coming back with their terastal forms after the DLC drops
>ITT: how to spot kissless virgins
Have you guys tried the Random Roulette ladder? It basically just randomly picks a Randoms match from any gen and places you against someone else. So anything from Gen 1-9. I've gone 4/4, I never played Randoms from anything before like, Gen 7, so its interesting.
bros I nobody cares, but I made top 10 on this ladder. It's super niche, so it really doesn't say much, but this is the only time i've even made top 500 since day 1 gen 9 OU
That meme doesn’t work when it comes to gimmicks. Ceaseless Edge is the only reason why Hisuian Samurott is even used. Without that move it would barely be holding on by a thread in OU if it didn’t drop down already.