Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Wario
Donkey Kong
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Kirby
King Dedede
Pikachu
Pokémon Trainer
Mewtwo
Villager
Isabelle
Olimar
Inkling
Octoling
Min Min
Alear & Marth
Byleth
Shulk
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Daisy
Rosalina
Bowser
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Kirby
Meta Knight
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Olimar
Inkling
Octoling
Villager
Isabelle
Marth
Byleth
Shulk
Noah
The single player content isn't great. The lack of a substantial story/adventure mode feels like a huge missed opportunity in a crossover platform fighter game.
"Most of the time in Smash, you're playing as a tiny fighter knocking other fighters around, but that's a bit of a waste for a game all about bringing various franchises together."
Even Sakurai thinks this.
yeah everyone thought it meant SSE with voice lines but nope, a story version of Smash Tour
it did have its moments like Gourmet Race,Zelda puzzles and such but it was somehow even more of a drag than SSE anyways, holy shit 100% it so annoying slowly going around the entire overworld for that one spirit battle you skipped
penalty in previous games was your options were much more limited. IE in melee you can powershield a fox nair and grab him off of it. if you shield grabbed on a normal shield you'd be in disadvantage. also removing the projectile reflecting component means heavies are even more fricked.
I really hate how the shading is so subdued and the highlights are so prominent it make the characters look like they are made of plastic. Also the single player content is obviously lacking made worse by the shit online making. and collecting PNGs just isn't exciting like trophys.
I don’t think Ultimate was the best name for Smash 5,
Seems like “Super Smash Bros Reunion” would’ve been a better fitting name since “Everyone is Here” was the main selling point but I guess that wouldn’t have sounded cool to some like Ultimate,
But to be fair it doesn’t really feel, Ultimate, Pre-DLC and Post-DLC. I just don’t think Ultimate was a good subtitle for it.
making every aerial almost lagless makes everything mashy as frick, specially on last man situations where everyone just spams back aerials hoping one lands and closes the game
weird hit and hurtboxes
running feels like shit
grab range nerfed probably because of smash 4, even though you have Palutena's ridiculous grab
down throw combos still too strong
one dimensional characters
upb oos galore
some zoners have strong boxing tools for some reason
input lag and buffering
ugly as frick visuals
some final smashes got ruined
baffling balance update choices
parry sucks
sword characters
horrible online modes
glorified event mode (WoL) that's not fun to play
echos is just sakurai giving clone characters a new name
classic mode is not that fun and its more of a "neat reference" mode than an actual arcade mode
game got killed for no reason when it could have gotten more balance updates even if it didnt add extra content
and i really fricking hate fighting certain characters
shameless shilling of [latest fire emblem product at the time] in the dlc despite already doing that in the last game's dlc less than 4 years ago
hard mode: the final smashes in this game are all streamlined to hell and they're all pretty boring for the most part too
more or less sums up my other grievances
Jumps don't carry momentum
There's 3 separate buffer systems making the game feel like a laggy powerpoint to control
Switch's inherent input delay makes this much worse
No power shielding projectiles
Its online modes are fricking terrible, GSP is the worst idea ever
Everything else said here:
The auto short hop attacks make it annoyingly difficult to do instant full hop arials.
Airdodge lag slows down the game by stopping the dodger from acting aggressivly out of them, and the directionality of them makes hard airdodge reads a lot less practical.
Pacman not being able to regrab zdropped fruit ruined him for me.
Palutena being good, and in a braindead way ruined her for me.
Ppivots, shield drops
>some final smashes got ruined
Actually though, the neutering of Warioman to just a cutscene was a trajedy. I get they were trying to make final smashes more competitive, but it sucked the fun out of them.
Perfect shielding also reflected projectiles. Also why needlessly change the input?
It also lets you parry multihits, which can be good are bad. I personally thought multihits being immune to perfect shielding was an interesting mechanic.
No For Fun and For Glory was devastating loss
I imagine the "for" naming convention is assosiated with "for 3ds and wii u".
Gardevoir is basically evergreen in terms of Pokemon at this point, managed to stay just as relevant as Lucario if not moreso but it's still moronic that Incineroar managed to get in and now we're stuck with the shittier choice even for his gen
the mindset for picking pokemon is shit, with just gambling on a [current gen] guy when there are plenty of actually popular pokemon that has a proven staying power and legacy behind them
atleast Lucario and Greninja took off, though Inceneroar is flopping even though I like his kit in Smash the best, Pichu doesn't really count since is a glorified alt costume
For me it’s Gardevoir and Zoroark but they got turned into fricking items
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Most pokeball summons would be better fighters than the Pokémon included in the roster
We really should have at least one rep from each gen. I'll sure as hell take them over another FE rep any day.
Incineroar showed just how creative the team can be.
pokemon is not that important. gen 1 and 2 maybe, else dont have a brand. i still cant get over incineroar. its just a dreamworks furry wrestler. then you see modern pokemon like the icecream cone or the applepie pokemon or fricking >pic related
who the frick plays this dogshit anymore? how is /vp/ still going at all?
yeah, if you look at Pokemon spinoffs, they don't even focus on the newest gen either like Pokken and Unite but add actually popular pokemons rather than gambling on a new one
Well yeah, Anon, if you point at the weird shitmons or generic birds in every gen you're gonna feel like that.
Each gen has plenty of fantastic designs that'd make for great characters. Yeah, haven't touched a mainline Pokemon game in years either. Absolutely criminal what those lazy fricks at GameFreak are doing.
You should play Legends Arceus, first time Gamefreak made an actual fricking video game.
To the point that Scarlet and Violet is back to the normal bullshit that people still prefer PLA.
Fire Emblem is in a funny situation where you are either going to get Trash with a story nobody will shut the frick up about, or an actual good game but with a story not worth b***hing about.
Engage was objectively the better gameplay between it and Three Houses but TH’s story still has people seething
I get your point of fricking baragays and furries
But, he's one of the funniest characters to play, all his tools are fantastic and extremely thematic, and he's only brought down by his atrocious speed and meh recovery, which makes keeping one step ahead of your opponent extremely rewarding
Greninja yes you can, ninjas and bipedel reptilians are a dime a dozen, I feel that you can have Leon Powalski as Wolf/Greninja semiclone, but who can replicate Rosalina's style of a Fairy Godmother puppet character? closest I can think of is Ashley and her Imp Red but only by the puppet and wand
Speaking of that, more reptiles would be welcome. There's only a few of them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
whatever lol I just remember having the idea of adding Leon from Starfox with the thought of making semi clones that mixes together 2 kits like Smash Remix does with Slippy being a spaces+wario+luigi making him a dorky spacies, but Leon would be Wolf+Greninja+Sheik being an assassin wolf
Bug isn't one of the three main starter types dumbass
10 months ago
Anonymous
We already have ivysaur homosexual, wanting "balance" in the pokemon series is fricking moronic
10 months ago
Anonymous
Ivysaur isn't fully evolved. It's also the only playable Grass starter while Fire and Water have two each. That's why Meowscarada is the perfect choice for our next new Pokemon rep in Smash 6.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I wish they gave Ivysaur some poison type moves
10 months ago
Anonymous
Hurr durr then we should also have a gen 5 pokemon rep, and a myhtical rep, and a bug/roclrep, and a 2 stage ice/ground rep, and eevee to round out all the kanto starters, and shadow mewtwo as a pokken rep, and an ultra beast rep with a dynamax final smash.
This shit is moronic, pokemon doesn't need jack shit
While I think inciniroar turned out really well I do agree that it kinda sucks that instead of opting for some current shillmon they chose something more popular/Iconic.
I also wish there were more pokemon in general but I respect them for not overloading the roster with pokemon dispite how popular they are. That being said it is stupid to see that there are nearly as many FE characters as there are pokemon characters
The only Nintendo games I've played that had good online was Pokken and Splatoon on the Wii U.
Btw, Splatoon was only good in terms of the actual connection. It was missing many, MANY basic features like joining friends lobbies or even inviting others
Dark Samus is a clone despite having nore unique moves than Samus as a fricking Assist Trophy in Smash 4, no excuses to no atleast carry over those moves and rebalanced
yet they fricking gave Isabelle the semiclone treatment when she has 0 source material to take from making up shit for her >b-but she's popular
so is fricking Daisy yet she is also a 1:1 clone, even patched to be more of a peach clone and she also had insource material she could've used to differentiate from Peach
Ignoring the waist that was Sora, Charizard and Ridley got fricked over.
How in the frick did a pair of winged dragons known for their exceptional flying abilities get implemented with shitty air mobility? What the frick was Sack Of Rice smoking? And how the hell did Ridley end up being lighter than Samus?
Also, Daisy and Isabelle didn't need to be here. Unpopular opinion, but Peach was the original waisted slot back in melee, she of all characters didn't need an echo fighter.
Hell, echo fighters as a concept just comes off as lazy. Dark Samus suffered the worst from it. As put it.
Better recovery than what they have now would be a good start. More jumps and greater air speed would also be nice.
Ridley's throws being trash is also a terrible design choice. As is his (and Charizard's) lack of range attacks when their source material has them using long ranch fire blasts all the time.
Another potentially unpopular opinion, Zelda's busted in this game. If anyone needs a beating from the nerf hammer, it's her.
Better recovery than what they have now would be a good start. More jumps and greater air speed would also be nice.
Ridley's throws being trash is also a terrible design choice. As is his (and Charizard's) lack of range attacks when their source material has them using long ranch fire blasts all the time.
Another potentially unpopular opinion, Zelda's busted in this game. If anyone needs a beating from the nerf hammer, it's her.
>Fewer Air jumps than Dedede or Pit >Ridiculously slow air speed for obvious recoveries and free combo fodder. >Lighter than Samus >No tail bounce, period >Massive windups and cooldowns on all of his specials >Neutral B has extra weakpoint and cannot be canceled or stored >Skewer doesn't pop shields >Space Pirate Rush constantly gives kill false positives at anything below 150% >No OOS options. >Throws are all garbage. Down is the only halfway useful one, and it's just a bland Fair starter.
Sakurai REALLY resented having to add our boy, didn't he?
Wasted opportunity to make Daisy faster bcuz athletic. Maybe tone down the float magic and gardening skills in return.
I hope in the next game they fix echos
>No single player content >Spirits are dogshit and inferior to trophies or even Brawl stickers >Removed Fire Mario skin but none of the other useless skins Mario has like the pink outfit skin >Link skins are still lazy, still no option to play as any other Link like OoT or TP Link >Brought back Young Link but don't do anything with his moveset >Ganondorf, Sonic, Snake, Wario, and Lucas movesets are still dogshit >Patched out Daisy differences to Peach, so now there's no point in playing as Daisy unless you're a Daisy gay(Which doesn't mean anything since Daisy is the least played character https://www.koopatv.org/2021/10/last-pre-sora-smash-bros-ultimate-fighter-usage.html?m=1) >Removed many good songs because they weren't fast-paced but yet keep shitty tracks like environmental noises >Online is dogshit, quickplay is just toxic GSP farming and arenas are poorly done although a okay concept >Netcode is worse than Smash 4 >All final smashes except for Peach & Zelda are now turned into cutscenes >Peach final smash wasn't changed and Zelda final smash is ridiculously broken to the point smash bars are banned from competitive play >Snake codec wasn't updated but Palutena shitty guidance was. You could clearly tell that Palutena and Viridi VAs did NOT want to do this shit since they sound bored as frick >No interesting new stages, all the stages are mostly dull by having the background move around on three platforms. >Still nothing more non-Sakurai Kirby titles and Kirby survives WoL because bias bullshit >You're forced to beat WoL to even change the main menu music >Removed most of the Mii outfits from Smash 4 and still not bring them back like the Witch outfit >Overall buggy at launch. Many characters would go back to their Brawl animations if holding a item >Rushing the game development at launch and then making us pay $5 for a character that was supposed to be in the base game if we didn't buy the game within 2-3 months >Isabelle
Did I miss anything else?
yet KI:U has great scenes, so is so baffling, they are not pre-rendered but still, I don't think we would mind in-engine scenes anyways, hell the bosses and final smashes have them
SSE was shit and Samurai being butthurt about the cutscenes leaking online is what led to the shit single player content of 4 and Ultimate. What a dumbass.
He will never get over that shit will he, maybe he should step down and start training a protege rather than being egotistical and prideful.
Gotta agree with Arlo on this one, how is it that they weren’t training a possible successor to Sakurai behind the scenes during Ultimate’s Development is beyond me.
>Still hate that Sakurai only decided to not include cutscenes in World of Light because "The clips would just be uploaded to YouTube".
That's just a lazy excuse.
they never get what made Melee fun and compedos are part to blame
it was the satisfying physics that made Melee fun, you know whats half of the game? PLATFORMING, the nu-smash floatyness and lack of momentum makes a lot less satisfying, is way too easy to do the hyrule temple jump and is way too easy to recover too
What you say is generally true, but recoveries being too strong is an overblown complaint born out of Smash 4 players being absolutely terrible at edgeguarding in the early years of the game. Some individual recoveries are too strong, but ledge trumping is absolutely critical to having the cast being as balanced as it is, and as we get into the late game meta getting back onto stage is increasingly difficult. Look at Pyra and Mythra. Compgays complained about how fricking broken they were on release, but now they're getting edgeguarded every single time they're offstage and people are dropping them because they're "inconsistent".
>DLC characters >Balance, especially among the DLC characters >Input lag >Slow and floaty, like every Smash game since Melee has been, thanks to Sakurai and Nintendo's autistic hatred for competitive play >Roster bloat - Too many 3rd party characters and too much representation from certain series like Fire Emblem >Single player mode is repetitive meme garbage >JPEGs instead of trophies >Online is STILL dogshit
Movement doesn't feel fun or rewarding. Instead it's sluggish and restrictive, and as a problem carried over from Smash 4, when played competitively it feels like you're always playing not to lose rather than deliberately making plays to win, and as a result winning rarely feels satisfying.
Charizard wasnt its own standalone mon
Rock smash is almost essential in covering his landings and was a FANTASTIC tool against shields, having it removed just for the capability of playing someone else is moronic, you had the room to shove several marths you had the room to put squirtle ivi and zard on their own slots
Also frick you for forcing you to switch on death and the exhaustion mechanic
Changing Rock Smash to down+B fricking ruined Charizard in 4. Bosses could be destroyed in seconds but having to get used to changing the direction fricked me for some reason.
oh my god that reminds me of how awful Ultimate menus are, even for Vs. why did they make it so cumbersome to simply start a match, I get picking quick pre-sets but man is annoying to make a simple asjustment like what one item to pick when it was just fine the way it was so not you gotta have like 8 named presets if you are the kind of why that likes to customize vs matches like that
>online quality is complete inexcusable dog wank >they should've carried over smash run from 4 >barebones training mode >can't upload replays directly from your system >platforms are too sticky >wolf's voice and meta knight's sword sfx have been downgraded from brawl >no standardized online ruleset so there's always a small chance you get matched with an annoying shitc**t that specifically chooses the most cancerous blend of ruleset, character, and stage to cheese you for free wins
I have no idea why bosses and ATs are not playable at this point, well for Masterhand is just a part of one gamemode anyways ATs are pretty much characters with smaller movesets anyways at this point
The bad thing about Assist Trophiesis that you can turn them off which means they don’t get much time to shine, they really don’t have much longevity to them, maybe they would be better off as background characters like in KOF Stadium?
>Sakurai considers Assists and Costumes to be the same level as a character being playable/"in the game" >He doesn't pay attention to online reactions, he's said this in interviews, so he doesn't know people fricking hate characters becoming items >He'll never change it because he thinks the fans love it
It's understandable in cases where characters wouldn't be usable/properly conveyed in the context of a fighting game or don't have enough material to make an entire moveset for.
>or don't have enough material to make an entire moveset for.
That's fricking laziness. Hell, if Sakurai wants a character in that bad he'll just steal moves from other characters for them.
It's really not, the reason Pac-Man is such a combination of jank is precisely because Sakurai was filling in holes since Bamco wanted their pound of flesh before Kazuya.
>"Black person WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU DOING"
Only NoA, Japan doesn't give 2 fricks what round-eye wants. The only reason we got Banjo is probably because the merch sells relatively well. BK merch comes out more and more every year and it keeps moving.
I'm still convinced Steve happened as payment for Banjo.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It’s still so weird how Pac-Man attacks with PNGs of Ghosts and shits out Fire Hydrants, I never envisioned Pac-Man like that, maybe he would’ve been better as an Assist Trophy functioning like his Final Smash
You knows that bullshit and an excuse to just do whatever, and even in the remote case it was true, which is extremely unlikely, the other heads and nintendo would tell him "Black person WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU DOING"
I think I even recall some interview where he said he felt like he had a target permanently painted on his back
>"Black person WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU DOING"
Only NoA, Japan doesn't give 2 fricks what round-eye wants. The only reason we got Banjo is probably because the merch sells relatively well. BK merch comes out more and more every year and it keeps moving.
Yeah that’s why the Zelda series has lots of items and assists and he thinks that’s a fine way to represent Zelda characters while FE gets playable characters. One isn’t better than the other just different! Seriously frick Sakurai sometimes, he’s the human equivalent of a humble brag and honestly if it wasn’t for Japanese politeness he wouldn’t have cultivated such a god like reverence instead he’s be seen as the narcissist who makes shitty decisions about smash bros.
Here's how to fix that: combine ATs with Final Smashes. Call them Assist Smashes, and make them have their own select screen. Players can choose which assist they get to use, so they get more regular use and appeal.
Simon didn't need to be here especially when all he did was use Richter's moveset verbatim. Yes I am holding my L over Alucard/Soma but the point still stands.
I hate the Miis. >Want character >They get costume kekekeke frick you >It's fricking swordfighter again or Gunner >Have to get used to this shitty playstyle if you want to use your "character"
For what it's worth, I prefer the generic costumes to the specific ones. I'd rather be able to make an approximation of a bunch of stuff than one specific character and nothing else.
I hate that the Miis are not a true Mii fighter, taking moves from games with the Miis in them doing goofy shit and you can just alter their face or something. Idk who asked for the 3 class shit.
People who automatically take costumes as a negative need to fricking kill the selves. Same with all the homosexuals who ruin what is an otherwise cool Assist Trophy role with b***hing that they aren’t a character.
Roster gayging can be fun, but it’s a fricking atrocious trying to enjoy anything with them.
Assist Trophies should never go to characters with actual moveset potential. They should be reserved for characters like Thwomp, Chain Chomp, Moon, Nikki, Kapp'n, or Sheriff. Characters that either are just generic mooks or one trick ponies. Otherwise you just wind up pissing off fans who wanted them as a potential DLC pick (Krystal, Zero, Alucard, Grey Fox, Isaac, etc.).
But they were never planned as DLC?
Like, it's not like Shadow not being an Assist Trophy would have made him a character. He would only just be a GHZ cameo and a spirit.
None of FP2 was planned at the start, but you'll notice that NONE of them were upgrades from assist trophies.
Besides, I'd rather give the fans of those characters hope that they'll appear than to just dash them right away.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Why, you saw what that led to with Porkygays.
Rosterhomosexualry born mental illnesses won't vanish simply because you can speculate longer.
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Mii costumes and assist trophies are not important. Not because I say so, but because Sakurai says so. They would appear in the character trailers otherwise. Rex and Spring Man really showed how awkward Min Min and the swordbawds were when you had to pay for them. Nothing is better than something.
Rex would have been there if the proper implementation didn't cause issues with the hardware.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Do you really think that’s the case? We did get Pokémon Trainer and Ice Climbers back, I don’t think Wrex needs another model of the other 2 when he can just reference the boost
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well, that's what Sakurai said and Rex and his b***hes would probably have more complicated models than the Icies and Pokemon.
But they were never planned as DLC?
Like, it's not like Shadow not being an Assist Trophy would have made him a character. He would only just be a GHZ cameo and a spirit.
Mii costumes and assist trophies are not important. Not because I say so, but because Sakurai says so. They would appear in the character trailers otherwise. Rex and Spring Man really showed how awkward Min Min and the swordbawds were when you had to pay for them. Nothing is better than something.
To be completely fair, any Arms gay will tell you that it was obviously going to be Min Min, but that conversation was drowned by all the pretend Arm gays who think simping for Twintelle meant she was getting in.
I blame homosexuals like Alpharad for making it normal for non-fans to open their fricking mouths when it comes to smash reps of other franchises
>making it normal for non-fans to open their fricking mouths when it comes to smash reps of other franchises
Understatement of the year. I remember all the people shitting on K. Rool and DK back in the day and as soon as he got confirmed for Ultimate, everyone was suddenly in support of him. I love how Smash has to tell people to like something and not by assists or miis but actual fricking playable characters.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I remember multiple anons admitting that they didn't want K. Rool in but "got it" when his trailer dropped.
People cannot think for themselves.
10 months ago
Anonymous
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Obviously there is the genuine fans, it’s the non-fans who make it so fricking obvious. >Oh, uh, who is that? Oh, thanks chat, WHOOHOO
Add on to that, K. Rool's support wasn't just for Smash, it was for DK in general and the Kremlings by association and the support was growing since Returns. I remember the post the Kremling Kampaigner made about Geno not getting in Smash as a fighter and it made perfect sense; Geno's support rallied in with the Mii costume last game, K. Rool's support was already years ahead of him and not just for Smash but for the next DK game. Obviously Geno got his day with the remake but all those other one-off homosexuals who told DK fans to be grateful for the costume and that DK was fine with two reps while their one-off IP needed that slot failed to get enough support for their characters and being grateful for scraps wouldn't have gotten K. Rool as a playable characterl
Being loud and obnoxious as well as consistent with your demands gets results. Take notes on K. Rool fans and their work with garnering support, that's the fricking way to do it and it paid off in the context of Smash.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Basically, Geno gays are egotistical
10 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, if you want to say it like that. But SMRPG is gonna succeed and he's a big part of it so the egos are justified and vindicated.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I only say it like that because a lot of the roster gay strategy is acting like you are above anyone else.
Outside of that, actual Geno fans are going to eat good with that remake, me included, but I’m obviously talking about the dick riders who never cared
10 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I remember multiple anons admitting that they didn't want K. Rool in but "got it" when his trailer dropped.
People cannot think for themselves.
Obviously there is the genuine fans, it’s the non-fans who make it so fricking obvious. >Oh, uh, who is that? Oh, thanks chat, WHOOHOO
I hate that the Miis are not a true Mii fighter, taking moves from games with the Miis in them doing goofy shit and you can just alter their face or something. Idk who asked for the 3 class shit.
People who automatically take costumes as a negative need to fricking kill the selves. Same with all the homosexuals who ruin what is an otherwise cool Assist Trophy role with b***hing that they aren’t a character.
Roster gayging can be fun, but it’s a fricking atrocious trying to enjoy anything with them.
I love Smash Kingdom mocked the Miis and made the all go like
it should be an online mode where you don't have to share a camera to overload with information, frick huge stages like Great Cave Offensive would be kino with an independent camera where you have to search and destroy other
although the stage could use some work, the death zones should be based on knockback rather than stamina and theres frankly too many of it with lava placement making some parts look ugly
also I would love to see the Melee Zelda maze come back as an 8-player online gamemode
Getting rid of shield dropping was one of the most moronic decisions they could have made. They finally add a way to maneuver shields without spot dodging by holding two shield buttons, and they decide now's the perfect time to remove a mechanic that benefits from being able to easily angle shields.
frick you Black person but I do understand if you feel that adding a 3rd puffball to Kirby guys is underwhelming, I feel the same about Impa to the zelda newcomer being a second sheikah after all this time of not getting one, some say this for Knuckles and Shadow being another speedy quill furry with a spindash so to each is own
not just that, but I think bandana dee is boring and shitty. Adeline, Dark matter swordsman, daroach, marx, magolor, taranza, or something stupid like the dreamland 2 friends or gooey are all cooler and interesting choices
I wouldn't be mad if someone else got in over Dee myself since is all good choices
they just should've added Kirby guy a long time ago to the point where adding just one means another good one would feel snubbed in away but they can also add 2 at once, hell Smash 4 did it with FE adding fricking 3, 4 if you count roy returning
Amogus has a pretty decent moveset potential, should be in, Freddy Frickboy has a billion skins and a decent soundtrack, should be in too. The other dude sucks
Top 15 >Crash
Begrudgingly >Bandana Waddle Dee
Buaj >Phoenix Wright
Okay... >Waluigi
Nice >Rayman
Nice >Master Chief
Nice >Geno
Everyone who voted for him should kill himself >Isaac
Hmmm... Okay >Dante
Nice >Doomguy
Nice >Eggman
Nice >Shantae
Frick you >Dixie Kong
Hmmm... >Travis Touchdown
No thank you >Reimu
Shut the frick up >Shovel Knight
Okay... >Shadow
Okay... >Paper Mario
No, thank you
>Dante top 3 in Japan and top 10 in EU >not even on the list in US
what the frick that one's surprising to me, would've thought he'd be at least top 10
>Dante top 3 in Japan and top 10 in EU >not even on the list in US
what the frick that one's surprising to me, would've thought he'd be at least top 10
they already did like 90% of the never-evers at this point, all that's left for rostergayging really is Geno and Waluigi and that's kinda it, I'd personally take Dante then Sakurai can add all the FEshit he wants
Rayman, Geno, Reimu and Dante? Sure why the hell not, but at the same time Touhou x Smash would birth something probably 3x worse than Persona x Smash so maybe not that one
The fact that they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel this far shows that Smash needs to severely trim down the roster, because there is absolutely nothing left to add that's worth the effort. It's all just memes, literally whos, and memes about literally whos at this point. Absolutely pathetic that this is the best people can come up with.
It's the fact that there's no actually good normalgay characters even left to add. What's gonna be your big headliner? A mascot for your competitor's basically dead franchise? A side character from a game that nobody actually played 25 years ago? What's even the point?
No one wants a bunch of literally whos either. The series has already peaked and it's just time to let it go.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>The series has already peaked
I will not let them stop until it looks like this.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'd kill for half of these characters but this obnoxious dyke does not need to be in the game
Bub could be cool, would be fun pissing people off by just shoving them in a bubble. Would make for some hilarious moments at tourneys
How would King Boo work gameplay wise? Come on Anon I know if you were autistic enough to make this whole image you have cool moveset ideas.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'd rather have Duster personally 2 b h
10 months ago
Anonymous
this image isn't mine and I'd probably change a couple of things here, but it can be done
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Spook
I love the idea of him having a Paper Mario based move, with what Lady Bow does I loved Piranha Plant for being pretty much the best Paper Mario representation we got
10 months ago
Anonymous
I like how that guy makes layout, isn't he on YT now as "feliciafan" the layout looks familiar
10 months ago
Anonymous
>victory screen
sovl
10 months ago
Anonymous
>this many glup shittos and echoes
I'm so glad smashgays don't get to decide the roster
10 months ago
Anonymous
but Wolf has more unique moves than Falco
10 months ago
Anonymous
Chrom was an echo of Roy but still had unique (copied) moves compared to him, just echo him over fox and stop bloating the roster, shit's starting to look like mugen
10 months ago
Anonymous
so why not have Falco echoed aswell?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>glup shitto
what the hell is that even supposed to mean in this context you red steckled elbermung >thinks rock howard, the character who was adopted by terry bogard, is an Iori echo
nevermind you are just uncultured
10 months ago
Anonymous
>steckled elbermung
What the frick is that even meant to mean you boobly poopideedy. Bullshit terms are fun.
The roster sucks, although I agree with your point about Rock. Shit like Ms. Pac Man is moronic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>crossing out the Parodius octopus, Black Mage, Akuma, Starfy, and the Daytona Hornet >Having the gall to call Crono a Hero echo
Less taste than stale bread
10 months ago
Anonymous
Smash Bros will continue until it has 1000 playable characters, Sakurai's consciousness will become a digital AI and will continue his work long after his body perishes until his task is complete
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Sakurai AI develops future smash >adds in the entirety of Fire Emblem and refuses to add in non-Sakurai Kirby characters
Pls no...
10 months ago
Anonymous
It’s funny you say that because his name literally ends in SakurAI
for "relevant" theres also >Impa being a major character in Age of Calamity and usually reoccurring >Bandana Dee, pretty much always a major character in Kirby, in Forgotten Land, so is Magolor with RtDL D getting merry magoland and a magolor run >Rookie Captain & Oatchi for Pikmin 4 >Waluigi a popular character that still shows his face in many popular spinoffs >Ashley a popular character thats always in Warioware with a new warioware otw >Pauline revived in Odyssey and is increasingly showing up in spinoff now being popular too
at this point saying theres no one left for Nintendo guys is willful ignorance to push an agenda
>makes sense but has less moveset potential than Banjo >horrid choice in a franchise where literally every other character have better movesets >meme, already done once, not point about doing it again >filler >yeah good >I doubt it would work >add Mallow with it >ok >good >would work better than cap. king >great >doesn't deserve it >just a semi clone >no chance, 3 flopped hard >great >good >semi clone >would rep the bad games so no thanks
>already done once, not point about doing it again
bro I feel the same about most Capcom characters
>Viewtiful Joe
already done in TvC and MvC so I really rather have Wonder Red, granted that they are very different in abilities more than meets the eye >Amaterasu
would rather have Midna & Wolf Link, again granted that the 2 are way different in their own ways >Dante
literally smash crusade uses his MvC tools and we already have Bayonetta but I guess it would be nice to have both meet >Arthur
makes a lot of sense, but hard to be excited when he's already done in MvC
so this makes Leon Kennedy the only Capcom guy I can really get onboard with even though he would still be similar to the RE guys in Capcom fighters
also yeah, you can say the same thing about Megaman and Ryu but to continue this I say they would fit smash's gameplay well I can see them being refreshed since Smash has totally different gameplay than capcom fighters
>Crash
frick yeah >Bandana Waddle Dee
frick no. most boring character ever. marx would be better. >Phoenix Wright
I can think of at least 5 other capcom characters who would be better >Waluigi
meme pick. no moveset potential. >Rayman
I guess that would be ok >Master Chief
frick no. would be extremely out of place. >Geno
would be fine i guess >Isaac
laaaaaaame >Dante
frick yeah dude >Doomguy
better than haloguy i guess >Eggman
frick yeah >Shantae
lame >Dixie Kong
lame as frick. no more donkey kong characters are needed. maybe funky kong as an echo but that’s it. >Travis Touchdown
ehhh…i guess >Reimu
fricking moronic pick >Shovel Knight
sure why not >Shadow
would be neat >Paper Mario
lame
I have many problems with this but my main problem is the lackluster base game, especially at launch >barely any newcomers >barley any new stages >stage creator had to be added later on >home run contest had to be added later on >neutered all star mode >no target smash >no trophies >no masterpieces >no smash run >spirits are just dumbed down versions of events
He's awful both in smash and in pokemon. Should not have been made, nobody liked him before his inclusion in smash, and nobody likes him now except for people like you who claim he's cool in smash.
Good >Best Roster in the series >Best selection of stages in the series >Good argument for best general gamefeel of the series >Best Classic mode in the series >I enjoyed having to unlock all the characters
Bad >Adventure mode sucked >Lack of SP content >DLC characters feel like they are from a completely different game >DLC character choices sucked
>Worst single player content in the series bar none >Removed trophies for no reason, brought back Stickers from Brawl which were only tolerable because trophies existed >Removed alternate specials from Smash 4 >Multiple modes were missing from the game at launch and added postlaunch >Modes from previous games with a lot of potential (Smash Run, that Smash Mario Party clone) were thrown out instead of being improved >Game is still slow and floaty compared to Melee >Online is still dogshit
All of the characters from one game is cool, as are the number of stages; barring that I'm not really sure what makes this Smash game the "Ultimate" one. I liked Brawl because I was 17 when it came out and was in college, and Smash 4 was pretty bad, but I still played them both way more than I have Ultimate.
There's way too much visual clutter on screen. Knockback smoke trails are way too opaque, and there's dozens of different hit effects that obscure what characters are doing. On top of that, stages are either too light or too dark and your characters don't contrast against the backgrounds enough. Any gamemode that involves more than 2 people is a chore to play because you just end up constantly losing your character.
I hate every homosexual like op or the fat frick in the tweet who have this game living rent free in their heads.
A thousand painful deaths be upon them.
What hasn't already been said about this game? >Bad online >Boring story mode >No boss rush even though it has the best boss battles in Smash >Obnoxious input delay >Minimal hit stun >Poor movement >Sticky platforms >Excessive sharking >Multi hits are universally broken especially if your name is Samus or Pit >Least counter play to projectile spam compared to other Smash games >Recoveries are so good that top players like Leo refuse to edge guard because 50% of the time you're putting yourself at risk of giving up advantage
the fact that some potentially great stages are locked to boss battles >Ganon's Tower is locked to a boss fight >Marx's wasteland is locked to his boss fight >a Monster Hunter stage is locked to Rathalos boss fight
they did it for Dracula's Castle so why not just quickly make a stage with these backgrounds?
like I get that in Brawl bosses were also lock but goddamit these are obviously locations that would've made for great stages rather than throwaway backgroubd part of the sse
Sakurai only gave us the option to hide echoes but not organize the characters by series which is so lame, also I’m not gonna ignore the fact that FE has almost a whole row to itself which is disgusting and absurd. Frick “Everyone is Here”
This one's really upsetting. There are two Pacman stages, one based in one of the most important works in the history of videogames, and the other looks like an mspaint drawing based on a game nobody played, and the one that made it to Ultimate is the latter.
it boggles my mind since Pac-Man World's Village makes for a good looking background with a unique platform layout thats obvious so is not like he has 0 material
>Spirits are mediocre. They don't have the flavor text like trophies did nor are the battles as interesting as event matches. >World of Light is a slog because of spirits. Some highlights like the themed areas and bosses but they're too few and far between to make it worth replaying >All star mode has been butchered and is now a glorified multi man smash >No break the targets, not even fricking target smash >Smash run and master/crazy orders are gone >Series staple modes like home run and stage builder were patched in months after launch >Some series get way too much representation while others get frick all. Some of them can't even get a single new un-remixed song. >Input delay makes the game less fun to play. It makes competitive more of a chore than it needs to be and makes the shitty online even worse >Making all the final smashes automated was the wrong move >Online doesn't fricking work. With the input lag the game already has by default it's a worse online experience than Sm4sh. >The "choose your own ruleset" shit for online matchmaking doesn't please anyone. >GSP is a worthless ranking system >Even if it did work the online is missing modes like squad strike for no fricking reason >Competitive is once again ruined by an overpowered character the community refuses to ban >Character speculation has become a blight on "gaming culture" as a whole. Any character or series that gets sucked into it, regardless of if they're even in the game, is worse off.
>All star
this made me really sad when the game came out, i dont care if it takes like one hour to beat if its normal characters it wouldve been better than what we got
The reason why sonic doesn't get any more reps is probably because he's not that popular in japan. I remember seeing a video on what does japan think about sonic, and they were confused as to why he is in the smash roster.
stuck on a console that doesn't even have an ethernet port option so multiplayer is desynced at nearly every second of time.
i played the game on lan and it was a lot of fun. you play online and everyone just picks an anime swordsman whose melee covers half the screen and abuses the frick out of the 400 ms lag.
singleplayer is dogshit. no secret characters? its soulless, every 10 minutes you unlock new character. i still remember when i coincidentally encountered luigi in melee, how could you forget that kind of experience? having to fight the new character, as a challenger? ultimate felt like a compgay swansong but who the frick takes party games that seriously? its okay to not have every character unlocked. just like its fine in a fricking game where ganondorf and kirby beat the frick out of each other to have a few wacky items spawn. horrible fanbase
>too much buffer >too much input lag >horrible gameplay variety compared to previous games, especially for single player >there's a Boss Rush function in story mode but for some reason that was never made a standalone option >the halfway approach to duller colors than SSB4 that just makes everything look hazy and lower contrast >moveset design and care has been heavily lopsided since Smash 4, where 64 and Melee veterans are severely lacking on source material fidelity/relevance and mechanical richness/complexity with extremely few and minimal concessions >anime swordfighters have long and consistently exhibited a tendency to be extremely strong and incontestable while requiring comparatively low effort and risk
Remember when there was a fake leak during the prerelease days of Smash 4 that Metal Sonic was going to be a alt skin for Sonic?
Why didn't Ultimate make Metal Sonic a echo for Sonic? It would have been pretty fricking easy to do and would please fans.
No ledge guarding and no recovery play make the game even more nair focused than it already is.
The real shitty thing about this game is it's designed in such a way that games very rarely have more than a 100% damage difference. It's always lost stack sets that feel like kind of a tossup of who will actually close out the stock.
It's interesting how apparent an ultimate player coming over to melee is through their gameplay, they always have these moronic habits that probably work fine on ult online, but they just keep trying to force them in melee.
>No ledge guarding and no recovery play
This is just plain false. In Melee, ledgeguarding is simply too easy, it's one of the least skilled parts of a technical game to the point where it's not interesting to watch because so much of it is guaranteed. In Ultimate, you have players known for their skill at ledge guarding, and watching a well executed ledge guard is satisfying as a viewer experience. Ledge guarding in Ultimate is a complex process of multiple stages because your opponents actually has options and you can't just ledgehog them. At this point, players have pushed their characters' advantage states so hard that it often only takes one or two neutral wins to infinitely ledgeguard-ledgetrap loop for an entire stock against many characters.
>anime swordfighters
I'm gonna go out and state the obvious here and say people don't have a problem with anime swordfighters, they have a problem with FE swordfighters and conflating the issue under "anime swordfighter" is being willfully disingenuous and fricks over the members of the cast that are actually unique but still get that label stuck to them, you can't equate Link and Cloud to Marth and his clones that all have the basic "guy with sword" movesets
yeah looks at the skeleton/frame for all the swordies
>Link: standard guy with a sword and shield >Toon Link: Chibi kid with a shorter sword and shield >Metaknight: puffball with wings using a short spiked sword >Shulk: skinny guy with a funky futuristic sword, 2hands it mos of the time and sheeathes it >Aegis:(didn't buy their DLC so idrk)
now lets look at the fire emblem guys >Marth: Skinny guy with a narrow sword, one handed at all times like a fencer >Roy: skinny one handed narrow sword user >Ike: Beefy guy with a hefty claymore >Lucina: literally marth but gorl >Robin: stocky guy with a zig zag sword >Corrin: skinny one handed narrow sword user(may have some dragon form attacks but this is his frame) >Chrom: another one handed narrow sword user, also a clone of someone who is a clone to begin wish
imagine a fighting polygon team with the FE guys
Xenoblade I'll give you but 'HOES MAD' was forced as frick when Hero did it because Banjo got announced in that same direct and it was contrarian shitposting and beating a dead horse meme when Byleth did it
>Shulk was revealed next Luciana and Robin, practically giving birth to the anime swordsmen meme >Pyra was revealed in a notoriously bad direct with throwaway animu games no one remembers sans project triangle, also after we just got Sephiroth
I genuinelly wonder how popular FE is in Japan. I feel in the West there's a large portion of Nintendo fans who hate it on priciple for it taking up so many character slots.
Obviously the series needs to be represented, but unlike characters like Cloud, Sora, Sephiroth, or the DQ Heroes, FE doesn't have an anime style that feels "distinctive" like Nomura or Toriyama's, it's very much "generic anime swordfighters" by the dozen, they themselves are the reason the term even exists. It’s also disingenuous how the term has rubbed on to other swordfighters who aren’t from FE and even 3rd Parties.
Well considering how FE switches artists all the time (and unlike FFs all it's characters aren't from the mind of one artist) of course it doesn't have the strongest artist identity.
This makes me wonder if in the future when presumably more Xenoblade characters are added to a future smash bros game, Shulk will feel like the odd man out since Saito seems to have become the series artist.
It has less single player content than brawl and there's no descriptions for spirits (formerly known as trophies) online is fricking dogshit too but it's nintendo so it's to be expected.
>Online is terrible >Some character models look really bad >Some of the songs in the soundtrack sound better in previous games >Not every stage is in the game >Most of the new stages are mediocre >No Trophies, and no reason to do anything aside of playing versus mode >UI is ugly
I still think it's a nice game, but mostly because I play it casually with my friends and brothers just like every other smash game, but for the last entry made by Mr.Sakurai this is a bit underwhelming.
No Single Player. This game focused solely on the roster and fighters and not on anything else.
Bringing in the concept of Echo fighters and doing the bare minimum with it (You seriously couldn't do Shadow or Ninten at all?)
Online is awful
Removed trophies entirely
Bleak colors, I seriously thought it was an error on the E3 stream but it was actually something done on purpose.
Not enough echoes. >Dixie Kong >Paula >Blood Falcon >Dry Bowser >Hilda >Dark Link >D. Metaknight (I already know he's a costume) >Claus >Metal Sonic >Shadow Dedede >Louie or Alph >Tetra >Panther Caroso >Proto Man >Medusa >Ms. Pac-Man (I know, she's in legal limbo) >Zack (FFVII) >Jeanne >Octoling >Meta Ridley >Lord Fredrik
I don't give a frick how redundant most of these are, it was the perfect time to bullshit in more characters from lesser known games to represent said games better or even beef up a few series with more reps. They could have gotten to an even 100. Even moreso since there's jackshit for modes. At least go all out with the roster and don't be afraid to do so.
>we got K. Rool, no need for anything else, right?
But of course, we still need a new Fire Emblem protagonist every game. We're not barbarians over here.
>characters could have up to 16 alts in Sm4sh >Ultimate cuts everyone down to half >some alts got replaced
You're telling me they couldn't shit out more reskins and keep old ones?
We need more character alts. Olimar could have the entire playable cast of his series as alts. Especially since Sakurai insists that he doesn't have an audible voice.
Imagine if there was event as Festivals and the higher you get, the better are your rewards.
example : Top 5% gets Mario Fire flower skin, Metal Sonic skin and more
>Got rid of Fire Mario and Blue Mario >Gives him a fricking Waluigi alt
Never mind Link's alts, only pic related is good. And I can't unsee the painted legs of the FD alt.
I mean we get it Sakurai, you like to rub shit in by giving Mario and Luigi Waluigi Alts which is ver redundant but not fricking Wario who the character is most associated with
>No Subspace kino or sidescroller Adventure Mode >No Smash Run >No All-Star Mode (why) >There's bosses but Boss Battles couldn't be its own mode for whatever reason >Other missing modes added via updates because of course it's a Switch game >Online is dogshit and so is input lag and buffer >Fire Emblem bloat >Smoke trails can be distracting >No cool tech like dashdancing or DACUS >Many characters are downright infuriating to play against >Sonic, Ganondorf, and a few others still don't represent their series properly >Echoes like Daisy and Dark Samus might as well be alt costumes like Alph >Upper blast lines are inconsistent like in Tr4sh, no longer guaranteeing a Star KO or Screen KO. Also, Pac-Man, Mega Man, AC chars, and Piranha Plant are silent >Some series like Star Fox, Earthbound, Kid Icarus, Sonic, and Pac-Man got screwed over when it comes to new Music compared to fricking Fire Emblem >Master Hand and Crazy Hand are more obnoxious to fight compared to previous games >Too many generic Bing Bing Wahoo grassy plain stage instead of Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road >Pac-Man's stage is Pac-Land >You can KO Assist Trophies but couldn't do something interesting with them like a Mob Smash mode >Recycled victory themes from Brawl shortened for some reason >Missed potential for DLC character skin and music packs
This might come as a shock to everyone but Rayquaza is a Stage Hazard on Kalos, talk about a downgrade, same shit as Ridley on Pyrosphere except it’s RNG whether he shows up
Unironically this. How the frick did they think to skip out on this? Subspace Emissary is peak Smash. Literally the best thing Nintendo ever made period. It was flawed but imagine the flaws worked on and an even better version of Subspace Emissary in modern form. Can you imagine a full on Subspace Emissary that is 10-20 hours and it has more content, even better gameplay segments and even more custom music? I still miss the stickerbrush symphony segment. One of the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRI1Ac6AFxo
>Subspace Emissary is peak Smash
Subspace was fricking garbage. A bunch of generic locations with reject Kingdom Hearts enemies, a plot so shit they had to explain it on the Dojo and in interviews, every character got gimped movement and jumps to force usage of stickers, and they made you repeat the boring levels multiple times.
Melee's Adventure mode worked better. Just do that.
>Subspace Emissary is peak Smash. Literally the best thing Nintendo ever made period.
SSE is just a shitty fanfic with dogshit levels, go read the fanfic
I still find it funny that we went from having an IGN guy telling Sakurai “it would be neat if all 7 Koopalings was a single character on a clown car” to Sakurai making Bowser Jr + Koopalings as their own reskinned characters
>No DLC
Most of my issues with the game comes down to the boring single player content (which has always plagued smash) and the gameplay incentivises spamming projectiles and safe play, also battlefield stages are worthless compared to omegas, the platforms are obstacles instead of extentions to the movement. It had the potential of being a normified version of melee (easier inputs thanks to buffer and simpler wavedashing) but just kinda played like a faster Sm4sh. And yes the DLC sucks but it's merely the cherry on top
A tropical freeze stage would’ve been nice or bringing back the returns stage from 4.
At least they advertised the water fall stage with its new shiny graphics as some sort of new stage.
So many good options. >grassland groove stage >scorch n torch stage >any silhouette stage >sawmill thrill stage >basically anything from Juicy Jungle as a stage
And that's to say nothing of the many missing songs.
I feel like everyone on the smash 4 and smash ultimate teams either did not play Tropical Freeze or at most only played the first level.
The problem with music is that Sakurai made the decision to let the composers do it themselves rather than have him indicate what gets remixed. He only puts specific guidelines if it’s a new series but most series are just pick and choose
Smash 4’s DK remixes consisted of 2 jungle japes and Returns title theme with vocal monkeys
As someone who actually enjoys the Spirits, I kind of hate that certain spirits don’t get fights, they either have to be bought or fused.
Some of the fights are really creative and others are just a repeat because you can only do so much with characters that function as other characters from other series.
Also, that Master Hand battle in World of Light was Kino, they should’ve let us select it as it’s own after doing it, why the frick do we have to replay World of Light for that man.
Smash 4 stages being roughly the same, fine, it’s super recent.
64 keeping it’s classic retro look, fine, understandable.
But why the frick are the Brawl stages the same? They should’ve given them the Melee stage treatment, that shit was dope
It annoys because Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2 stick out a sore thumb when only one do them is remade
It's bad because they stopped making DLC and everyone sucks Sakurai's dick too much. Don't get me wrong, the guy's amazing, BUT he needs to let people make more characters without his direct supervision. I appreciate what he's done but holy shit; he overworks himself but he has no one to blame but himself since he seems to be unable to let others fix things.
Never forget that Brawl tripping was HIS idea. He makes mistakes.
Spirits would have been a 100% acceptable replacement if they had descriptions telling you who they were and what they came from.
Why the hell didn't they do that? Were there simply too many of them?
Smash 4’s trophy descriptions was all the Mother guy, he had to do everything himself and consulted for stuff he didn’t know. It made for some interesting set ups.
If anything, they should’ve at least given the 3 and 4 star spirits descriptions cause then that would make them more valuable to have
I think a reason why they removed trophies was precisely to do away with all that text. Most of the trophies in Brawl and onwards are lifted straight up from other games or already used in the Smash in turn. It's translating hundreds of tidbits into several languages that'd prove an extra load.
I can understand wanting to change to spirits to allow even more references, especially with event matches, but they should’ve at least given us some descriptions
Why the frick did Smash 4 have a 2 minute limit on songs, and butchering the ones from Melee and Brawl.
Thank frick they removed that limit in Ultimate, we got good ass remixes that took longer than 2 Minites compared to Smash 4 remixes getting cucked cause they had to stay at 2.
What relevance does Ashley have that warrants making her a playable character to shill a 3DS game? >she's in it
Big fricking whoop, even if they did consider side characters to be suitable shill opportunities, there are at least a dozen other characters from other games coming out around the same time that would easily take priority in front of Ashley anyways.
*What relevance to Ashley have to Wario Gold.
Way to frick up my post and turn my sentence into one I know people are gonna call out on.
Ashley is a good example of being a non-existent character who isn’t as huge as non-fans pretend to be.
Obviously Japan loves her, but they are aware this is separate from the actual games. Majority of Warioware fans will still say Jimmy, Mona and 9-Volt are first in line if there is to be another Warioware rep
9-Volt has so much potential. Basically Nintendo reference, the character. Could even Captain N him up and give him a Zapper. Mona would be cool if she had wacky attacks and became the new Ware rep so that Wario can be redesigned to be based on his action games.
Warioware is now making the series about everybody Wario ever meets. His entire fricking gang are main characters. His series can easily start giving focus with other characters so he can have Land primary for sure
>bring back Galleom as a boss and Petey as a Final Smash >do nothing with the rest of the Subspace Emissary bosses
Why the frick did they do that? Duon could have been used for pairs. Porky could have been the final fight for Ness and Lucas. Rayquaza for the Pokemon.
The classic mode endings really fricked up, a lot of people getting Master Hand for no fricking reason, with only a handful getting unique scenarios like Pokémon Trainer with Mewtwo.
Luigi getting Dracula was Kino, they should’ve done more unique stuff like that.
Bowser fighting Rathalos half way for a final fight with Mario was funny
Ultimate ends up having a lot of better visuals, but I would be lying if I didn’t say Smash U was pleasing to the yes with the brighter colors
>make characters more expressive >kill all the color
fricking monkey paw
This is the price for having Snake and others in his vein in the roster, he's got such mute colors to begin with, every colorful character has to be desaturated to compensate. Smash Wii U didn't have him nor anyone anywhere as subdued color-wise so they could go all out on brightness
>Smash Wii U didn't have him nor anyone anywhere as subdued color-wise so they could go all out on brightness
Smash Wii U fricked up a ton of characters with the clay style. Characters like Ganondorf and Toon Link looked really bad.
I agree but that doesn't really have to do with the color pallete, that's a frick up as far a the specific Ganondorf design (I dunno what was up with the Zelda cast in that game, Link's face was horrid too)
Only apply the filter to those particular characters then. Don't infest everyone else with that junk.
Sakurai deems it necessary for everyone to feel cohesive
Reasons why Ultimate sucks:
-World of Light is underwhelming as the main single player mode, it's literally event match with a different code of paint.
-All-star was scrapped and replaced with a re-skinned multi-man smash.
-There is no targets mode in the game 5 years after launch despite it being a staple of the series since the original on the N64.
-Base roster has a whopping 5 new characters that aren't clones, one of which is hated by the majority of the playerbase.
-Trophies are completely absent from the game as a collectible, spirits don't even have a description of the character.
-Least new base game stages of any Smash game.
-MOST IMPORTANTLY: The game's fricking catchphrase "everyone is here" means the game is centered around regurgitating existing content rather than providing a new experience.
I'm sure it's the best game in the series if you're a sweaty compgay, a rostergay, or a fricking sheep that praises whatever Sakurai shits out as the holy grail, but it was one of the biggest disappointments of the decade for someone that actually wanted to have an enjoyable single player experience coming from a series that otherwise used to have it.
>MOST IMPORTANTLY: The game's fricking catchphrase "everyone is here" means the game is centered around regurgitating existing content rather than providing a new experience.
This catchphrase is inaccurate since if im buying the base game, i dont get the dlc with it. It needs an Ultimate Ultimate Edition
god they manage to make clearing classic mode with everyone such a chore despite the good idea of personalized routes >everyone, literally EVERYONE does the same Race to the Finish deathwall level >most characters fight the hands even kirby characters when they have Marx >echoes are not real character guise yet give them routes too to add to the tedium
>No Pac-Maze >Nothing from any of Pac-Man's non arcade outings. >His wife is kill, so she'll never be a skin/echo >Doesn't make his iconic death sound for a star KO.
I'd feel bad if he wasn't such cancer to fight online.
>it took until fricking Ultimate for Onett to get its theme >Asuka Hayazaki decided it should have Snowman stapled to it in the most awkward way possible
>Port Town Aero Dive only has the old Port Town music
>the Mario 3 overworld theme isn't a selectable song
>everything that happened when they decided to make Yoshi's Island exclusively a Yoshi stage
the ammount of effort put into assist trophies is fricking annoying considering theyre a one in like 40 chance to see your favourite character do something a bunch of cool attacks, i really wish they were used as some kind of mini bosses for story mode
Assist Trophies are so obnoxious. On the one hand, you've got characters who fit like a glove, like Dr. Wily, Mother Brain, or the Metroid. On the other hand, you've got people like Zero, Alucard, Waluigi, Shovel Knight, Shadow, Knuckles, Midna, and so many more who would make excellent fighters in their own right, but instead get relegated to this unfortunate limbo, never to escape. And there are just so many of them.... Even characters like Knuckle Joe feel wasted when flipping Piranha Plant gets in.
is clearly Koopa, the so called variants of Piranha plants are clearly the same shit >Piranha Plant >Potted Piranha Plant >Big Piranha Plant
while Koopa variants are like entirely different >Koopa >Lakitu >Hammer Bros
10 months ago
Anonymous
That’s tremendously moronic anon, that’s not how species works
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh please, Anon. Elucidate further upon the biological taxonomy of the fictional turtles. Explain to us how the Lakitu, explicitly described as a koopa riding a cloud, is not the same species as other koopas.
10 months ago
Anonymous
is clearly Koopa, the so called variants of Piranha plants are clearly the same shit >Piranha Plant >Potted Piranha Plant >Big Piranha Plant
while Koopa variants are like entirely different >Koopa >Lakitu >Hammer Bros
There is a difference between the same creature having different variations vs having a multitude of creatures that came from the same species.
Piranha Plant variants are all Piranha Plants at their core
Koopa’s, Hammer Bros, Chargin chucks, and lakitus’s are fundamentally different creatures that all come from being part of the Koopa Troop
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Koopa Troop
which are koopa variants
10 months ago
Anonymous
You moron all koopas are in the same species. This doesn't change just because you say so.
My point was that if a generic mook can make the jump, then it feels off to shove other basic enemies to the assist camp, to say nothing of major characters with obvious moveset potential.. >Mario needed a unique slot
Lol
Kek even
Oh I know, but the line with Assist Trophies are still tricky. Roster gays are makes it seem like they are owed.
>Implying Sakurai was going to let Mario have only have a Echo fighter
At the end of the day, Nintendo is MARIO, and there was no way in hell he wasn’t getting a new rep.
You cant convince me P Plant didn't start out as an item you carry and the head stretches and snaps at closest enemy. Even its FS while a cool callback, feels like a last minute thing tacked on.
im not even super mad that theyre not fighters even though theres a lot of personal picks i would like (bomberman,shovel knight,knuckles,zero,etc) , its just that effort goes to waste for an item that shows up for 30 seconds, even shit like mii costumes have a lot more use becuase you can pretend youre playing sans and cuphead atleast
>Making all stages be able to play their series music
Cool >>>>>All the side series who had remixes tailored for those stages gets removed into the “other” category
Why the frick would morons do that
I want a Mario Party Stage where you hit dice blocks that show up and grant you items or status ailments good or bad like Hero Hocus Pocus, there would be Blue and Red Spaces and if you manage to stay on them for like 5 or 7 seconds you’ll either heal or take 3% damage like receiving coins, not sure how happening spaces could function but I wanted to keep it simple and fun, always hated how Mario Kart got a stage and not Mario Party, same issues with one having more music than the other. Remix 64 impressed me in that regard
Mario Bros. is nuts. Mushroomy Kingdom riffing on Reality Is Brown is a hoot. Rainbow Ride is inspired as is Super Mario Maker. Paper Mario's middle section has spirit to it (shame the first section is dull and the third has the worst layout in the game)
This makes sense as silly as it seems in the surface. Mario Kart really is its own thing for many casuals who otherwise don't play the rest of the Mario series
>Not a single Game and Watch Gallery theme >Not even a medley.
Those games were the only reason I knew Mr. Gay Man Watch existed before I played Melee.
This seethes me so much. Was playing 4 recently and has a bunch if nice tracks. Sometimes i question if Soccermom is really as big as a gaymer as he presents himself as or just has glaring personal omissions.
The lack of new stages to existing franchises still sucks, not even every newcomer got a stage, only the fighters pass.
Odyssey, Breath of the Wild and Splatoon are all we got because they HAD to.
the fact that some potentially great stages are locked to boss battles >Ganon's Tower is locked to a boss fight >Marx's wasteland is locked to his boss fight >a Monster Hunter stage is locked to Rathalos boss fight
they did it for Dracula's Castle so why not just quickly make a stage with these backgrounds?
like I get that in Brawl bosses were also lock but goddamit these are obviously locations that would've made for great stages rather than throwaway backgroubd part of the sse
I still don’t get the justification for a lot of the stages that didn’t come back
>Pokefloats and Orbital Gate Assault are moving stages that are not that different from other moving stages
>Pac-Maze has a “3DS specific gimmick” except they still put NSMB2, they could’ve just used outlines or shine for each character on who gets a power pellet to eat the ghosts
>64 versions of Samus and Fox’s stage because their melee versions are basically upgrades sucks when they had different blast zone and zooms, same with Melee’s mute city, Melee’s mushroom kingdom
>Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls has no reason other than people that don’t like
>Miiverse which sucks didn’t make it in, they should’ve made an in game version for drawings like Mario Maker 2 did
>Flatzone X is basically 2 with an added section that mimics 1, though I think 1 having it’s set up permanently should’ve stayed
>I don’t remember but Pictochat 2 replaces Pictochat from Brawl, I don’t think it keeps the original parts of 1
Easy. I'll do the direct thing that ties to DLC character.
It's bad cause THAT is the only update to this game.
No new modes, or items. Nothing really to add on to the base game except one map that will be turn into an omega mode.
I would love to get new stuff with each update that give me more reason to play. I don't need a fighter I'll never touch when there could be more content added.
The challeges fricking suck ass in Ultimate, all you get really is a fricking picture, is pathetic how half the rewards are currency when you can just play other modes fof that
DLC wrapped up almost 2 years ago now. The only things left to discuss are the game in retrospect, the rapidly detoriating competitive scene, and what the next game might be like.
There’s a difference between a single species variation and an entire species branching out to new names.
The point is that Piranha Plant itself has a shit ton of variants.
If you have to call a Koopa variant its own name with its own variants, the entire point is lost.
Piranha Plant at it’s core has the most variations that stay true to the original
Some of the victory animations aren’t as satisfying as they were in Smash Wii U
Ganondorf for example, he has his laughing victory animation, but it’s missing the deadpan “drop” that Wii U does when it gets to his name. It makes it more satisfying.
Wario’s laughing victory is another, in ultimate is just happens way too quick
Abbreviated fanfares are a stupid choice in general when 1) anyone who felt they lasted too long was gonna press Start to get to the next battle asap anyway and 2) you introduce characters for whom a whole goddamn song plays after their victory
>Abbreviated fanfares are a stupid choice
The really stupid thing is that despite some being sped up, they're still way longer than others
Why was the Ice Climbers one cut down while Animal Crossing wasn't? Why did Pokemon and Zelda get new, shorter arrangements while Fire Emblem got sped up and a really shitty fade in edit?
>No specialized break the targets and board the platforms >No 3DS Classic mode >Same boring race to the finish >No Adventure or Subspace where you fight franchise enemies, World of Light is a trash fire >No Trophies only much worse stickers which also means no trophy pinball or trophy capture >Nana is brain dead like Luma instead of Luma gaining an AI (inb4 wobbling, I didn’t know what that is and sounds like a gay gc problem and not worth downgrading the second ice climber over) >Ken’s stupid always facing the opponent gimmick >No red shells >No red shells training stage stacking glitch homage
I’m sure there is more. It mainly pisses me off how many features were stripped and some really good levels being scrapped because “they didn’t work with transformation” when in reality they just weren’t esports compliant. I have one final character pet peeve. >Mario still stuck with flud
Sunshine was dog shit and the mechanics were rightfully left in a shallow grave 20 years ago. I hated the change in Brawl and still hate it to this day. Playing since 64 that stupid water gun feels unnatural and doesn’t belong in his kit. Make it an item drop or leave the gadgets to Luigi, he is E. Gadd’s b***h now.
It’s the same reason as another anon stated, it’s all based on what the composers want.
I guess everybody else was wanting to do other things that nobody decided Gruntilda should have one
Yoko Shimmomura basically remixed Treasure Trove Cove as if it’s a Mario and Luigi beach theme
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Sakurai because it's a 3rd party and we know they gotta approve the songs...and I'm also just unwilling to believe they'd explicitly reference that fight on Gruntilda's spirit battle and present Klungo's theme on it with a straight face. I really want to believe this was not their call.
It’s the same reason as another anon stated, it’s all based on what the composers want.
I guess everybody else was wanting to do other things that nobody decided Gruntilda should have one
Yoko Shimmomura basically remixed Treasure Trove Cove as if it’s a Mario and Luigi beach theme
They should have picked the OG if that was an issue, it was already tailor made for battle and Freezeezy Peak got in intact
>Rusty Bucket and Click Clock Wood got nothing, not even the originals >Lord Woo Fak Fak....because
My copium is that discussions for BK's comeback in the next Smash are already in the cards and several remaining tunes will make their way in then to offer some novelty with their musical selection
That said if anything we needed more Tooie songs, especially because the bosses each having their own remixes there meant we already had fight vibes for almost every level in that game
To be fair, Klungo’s song has a section with Cauldron Keep, and the battle was referencing both games final boss.
It was the best they could do with the situation.
It’s funny cause Grant Kirkhope joined a YouTuber to remix Gruntilda’s theme early 2019, when he would’ve clearly known and told to remix Spiral Mountain
There is literally no disadvantage state >no combos >recovering to the stage is free >edguarding is worse than ledgetrapping >air dodge, but specifically neutral air dodge, is way too fricking free
Hence every competitive match of Ultimate devolves into two morons giving each other papercuts until 170% and then fishing for stray hits (usually autocancel aerials) to kill
>The one time a Pokémon villain team is Kino, we don’t get a remix of them
Why did they cuck team skull man, we didn’t need a remix of the Champion theme, it’s just a Gen 1 remix anyway
No real adventure mode.
It's time for Smash to go 3D adventure with just the OG 12 characters.
Jigglypuff, Ness, Captain Falcon, and Fox have no place in a modern Nintendo all-stars game.
This, but completely unironically
Mario
Luigi
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Link
Zelda
Samus
Kirby
Pikachu
Villager
Olimar
Inkling
If its really just 12, thats your roster
I wouldn't say Zelda if we were just talking about 12
Who would you pick then?
Alear + Marth combo would be cool tbh
Now make a Melee newcomer roster with 2023 standards, 64 had 12 and Melee added 14 newcomers for a total of 26 characters
To start you off I could see Daisy taking priority over Dr. Mario since she’s playable in Wonder
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Wario
Donkey Kong
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Kirby
King Dedede
Pikachu
Pokémon Trainer
Mewtwo
Villager
Isabelle
Olimar
Inkling
Octoling
Min Min
Alear & Marth
Byleth
Shulk
>Alear & Marth
>Byleth
>No IKE when he's the most popular FE Lord
moron
Ike's games almost killed the franchise
Marth's*
>Still the fan favourite
PEAK chad character, tbh.
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Daisy
Rosalina
Bowser
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Kirby
Meta Knight
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Olimar
Inkling
Octoling
Villager
Isabelle
Marth
Byleth
Shulk
Noah
Neither do more than a fraction of the FE Reps already in because lol “Everyone is Here” saved them from the chopping block.
As with Jiggs, I wouldn’t miss the Pokémon, there are way more popular Pokémon to choose from, it isn’t the 90s anymore
>zoomer opinion
Into the trash it goes
They're all iconic in the Smash Bros series and that's all that matters.
Too much input lag.
The single player content isn't great. The lack of a substantial story/adventure mode feels like a huge missed opportunity in a crossover platform fighter game.
"Most of the time in Smash, you're playing as a tiny fighter knocking other fighters around, but that's a bit of a waste for a game all about bringing various franchises together."
Even Sakurai thinks this.
I'll never forget how hype that intro movie was only to get blue balls with a glorified event mode and collecting jpgs.
yeah everyone thought it meant SSE with voice lines but nope, a story version of Smash Tour
it did have its moments like Gourmet Race,Zelda puzzles and such but it was somehow even more of a drag than SSE anyways, holy shit 100% it so annoying slowly going around the entire overworld for that one spirit battle you skipped
It doesn't play as well as Sm4sh.
No Perfect Shield either which is lame as hell
Perfect Shielding is still in the game, it's just based on when you RELEASE shield instead of pressing it.
Perfect shielding also reflected projectiles. Also why needlessly change the input?
>Also why needlessly change the input?
To make it more risky. Previous games had you perfect shield without much penalty for missing.
penalty in previous games was your options were much more limited. IE in melee you can powershield a fox nair and grab him off of it. if you shield grabbed on a normal shield you'd be in disadvantage. also removing the projectile reflecting component means heavies are even more fricked.
I really hate how the shading is so subdued and the highlights are so prominent it make the characters look like they are made of plastic. Also the single player content is obviously lacking made worse by the shit online making. and collecting PNGs just isn't exciting like trophys.
>the characters look like they are made of plastic.
what if that was... the point ???
I don’t think Ultimate was the best name for Smash 5,
Seems like “Super Smash Bros Reunion” would’ve been a better fitting name since “Everyone is Here” was the main selling point but I guess that wouldn’t have sounded cool to some like Ultimate,
But to be fair it doesn’t really feel, Ultimate, Pre-DLC and Post-DLC. I just don’t think Ultimate was a good subtitle for it.
just wait until the next game comes out and the roster is only 60% as large as launch ultimate
60%? Try 40% (at launch), if they do a real graphical overhaul, that is
>tfw my main is 100% guaranteed to be cut if there is another smash.
making every aerial almost lagless makes everything mashy as frick, specially on last man situations where everyone just spams back aerials hoping one lands and closes the game
weird hit and hurtboxes
running feels like shit
grab range nerfed probably because of smash 4, even though you have Palutena's ridiculous grab
down throw combos still too strong
one dimensional characters
upb oos galore
some zoners have strong boxing tools for some reason
input lag and buffering
ugly as frick visuals
some final smashes got ruined
baffling balance update choices
parry sucks
sword characters
horrible online modes
glorified event mode (WoL) that's not fun to play
echos is just sakurai giving clone characters a new name
classic mode is not that fun and its more of a "neat reference" mode than an actual arcade mode
game got killed for no reason when it could have gotten more balance updates even if it didnt add extra content
and i really fricking hate fighting certain characters
shameless shilling of [latest fire emblem product at the time] in the dlc despite already doing that in the last game's dlc less than 4 years ago
hard mode: the final smashes in this game are all streamlined to hell and they're all pretty boring for the most part too
more or less sums up my other grievances
Jumps don't carry momentum
There's 3 separate buffer systems making the game feel like a laggy powerpoint to control
Switch's inherent input delay makes this much worse
No power shielding projectiles
Its online modes are fricking terrible, GSP is the worst idea ever
Everything else said here:
The auto short hop attacks make it annoyingly difficult to do instant full hop arials.
Airdodge lag slows down the game by stopping the dodger from acting aggressivly out of them, and the directionality of them makes hard airdodge reads a lot less practical.
Pacman not being able to regrab zdropped fruit ruined him for me.
Palutena being good, and in a braindead way ruined her for me.
Ppivots, shield drops
>some final smashes got ruined
Actually though, the neutering of Warioman to just a cutscene was a trajedy. I get they were trying to make final smashes more competitive, but it sucked the fun out of them.
It also lets you parry multihits, which can be good are bad. I personally thought multihits being immune to perfect shielding was an interesting mechanic.
I imagine the "for" naming convention is assosiated with "for 3ds and wii u".
I wish the boss rush mode wasn't locked behind a long autoscroller in World of Light or Sephiroth's classic mode
>no story mode
>no trophies
>no moveset changes
>no paper mario
>17 fire emblem characters
>weird smoke trails
we NEED brawl kino again
gay roster
worse gameplay than melee
worse combos than melee
1000x worse online than melee
in short, it's not melee. they should have taken notes from project m instead of shoahing it
Incineroar was a fricking waste, it should have been Decidueye
I always wanted Scizor but that ship sailed long ago.
For me it’s Gardevoir and Zoroark but they got turned into fricking items
Gardevoir is basically evergreen in terms of Pokemon at this point, managed to stay just as relevant as Lucario if not moreso but it's still moronic that Incineroar managed to get in and now we're stuck with the shittier choice even for his gen
Lyn is Evergreen as well more than the shit like AwakeFatesHouses they’ve shilled long after her game came out
And yet she’s an item since Brawl
Most pokeball summons would be better fighters than the Pokémon included in the roster
the mindset for picking pokemon is shit, with just gambling on a [current gen] guy when there are plenty of actually popular pokemon that has a proven staying power and legacy behind them
atleast Lucario and Greninja took off, though Inceneroar is flopping even though I like his kit in Smash the best, Pichu doesn't really count since is a glorified alt costume
We really should have at least one rep from each gen. I'll sure as hell take them over another FE rep any day.
Incineroar showed just how creative the team can be.
pokemon is not that important. gen 1 and 2 maybe, else dont have a brand. i still cant get over incineroar. its just a dreamworks furry wrestler. then you see modern pokemon like the icecream cone or the applepie pokemon or fricking
>pic related
who the frick plays this dogshit anymore? how is /vp/ still going at all?
yeah, if you look at Pokemon spinoffs, they don't even focus on the newest gen either like Pokken and Unite but add actually popular pokemons rather than gambling on a new one
Well yeah, Anon, if you point at the weird shitmons or generic birds in every gen you're gonna feel like that.
Each gen has plenty of fantastic designs that'd make for great characters. Yeah, haven't touched a mainline Pokemon game in years either. Absolutely criminal what those lazy fricks at GameFreak are doing.
You should play Legends Arceus, first time Gamefreak made an actual fricking video game.
To the point that Scarlet and Violet is back to the normal bullshit that people still prefer PLA.
>who the frick plays this dogshit anymore?
People still play this horse shit too
is there are worse design?
Fire Emblem is in a funny situation where you are either going to get Trash with a story nobody will shut the frick up about, or an actual good game but with a story not worth b***hing about.
Engage was objectively the better gameplay between it and Three Houses but TH’s story still has people seething
ORAS came out the same day as Smash Wii U and that would’ve been the perfect time to shill it with Sceptile
>that insignia placement looking like a loincloth
anyways yeah he would've been a better choice given that the treeko line was already proven to be popular but greninja was a gamble that worked out
personally I would prefer Grovile for some Mystery Dungeon homage and I just like he design more
At least Incineroar wasn’t DLC, think about that
if Inceneroar was replaced by the Rhythm Heaven Wrestler or Black Shadow, would anyone give a shit? other than furgays that is
Furry Frickhead.
the one anime swordsman I would actually like next to Isaac from Goldensun
>Anime Swordsman
I get your point of fricking baragays and furries
But, he's one of the funniest characters to play, all his tools are fantastic and extremely thematic, and he's only brought down by his atrocious speed and meh recovery, which makes keeping one step ahead of your opponent extremely rewarding
by replacing I mean taking most of his moveset
Now say the same thing for shit like GreBlack person and Rosalina.
Greninja yes you can, ninjas and bipedel reptilians are a dime a dozen, I feel that you can have Leon Powalski as Wolf/Greninja semiclone, but who can replicate Rosalina's style of a Fairy Godmother puppet character? closest I can think of is Ashley and her Imp Red but only by the puppet and wand
>reptilian
>frog
Speaking of that, more reptiles would be welcome. There's only a few of them.
whatever lol I just remember having the idea of adding Leon from Starfox with the thought of making semi clones that mixes together 2 kits like Smash Remix does with Slippy being a spaces+wario+luigi making him a dorky spacies, but Leon would be Wolf+Greninja+Sheik being an assassin wolf
>More nuPokeshitmons
You're still part of the problem.
decidueye sucks too , theres a million cool pokemon like deoxys or heracross that could work but the series is just used to shill the new starters
Weird way to spell min min, and I hated incineroar when he was announced but his playstyle is based and if people seethe about him it's even better.
Would you or any anon would have rather have this instead of what we got?
>grass starter to balance out the pokemon reps
Uh, yes?
>balance out pokemon reps
Frick deciduecuck, where the frick is the BUG type rep
Bug isn't one of the three main starter types dumbass
We already have ivysaur homosexual, wanting "balance" in the pokemon series is fricking moronic
Ivysaur isn't fully evolved. It's also the only playable Grass starter while Fire and Water have two each. That's why Meowscarada is the perfect choice for our next new Pokemon rep in Smash 6.
I wish they gave Ivysaur some poison type moves
Hurr durr then we should also have a gen 5 pokemon rep, and a myhtical rep, and a bug/roclrep, and a 2 stage ice/ground rep, and eevee to round out all the kanto starters, and shadow mewtwo as a pokken rep, and an ultra beast rep with a dynamax final smash.
This shit is moronic, pokemon doesn't need jack shit
Axes
Yes, I thought it was real, and the graphics were nicer. Anyone have the video? I enjoy watching this leak's video.
While I think inciniroar turned out really well I do agree that it kinda sucks that instead of opting for some current shillmon they chose something more popular/Iconic.
I also wish there were more pokemon in general but I respect them for not overloading the roster with pokemon dispite how popular they are. That being said it is stupid to see that there are nearly as many FE characters as there are pokemon characters
>I also wish there were more pokemon
have a nice day
>Hard mode: don't mention a bunch of things that made it a bad/worse game with each addition
Good thread, tard
They need to bring back gambling from Sm4sh
>Smash 4.5
>boring after the first week
>Smash 4 was better
Wasn’t expecting Smash 4 love in this thread
i wish it still had a scene, id rather play it than Ultimate even if Bayonetta and Cloud were stupid.
Smash cycle
wdym smash cycle???????? BRAWL???
ARE YOU FRICKIN STUPID??
There are people that miss Brawl, yes
Over 200 people entered brawl bracket at smash con
Smash 4 was my shit never gave Sma5h a real chance I guess, but yeah, I did not like it.
Something felt off, can't remember
No For Fun and For Glory was devastating loss
The fricking online is the easiest choice. Why is Nintendo always behind with this shit?
Nintendo EAD/EPD can make it work, is solid in MK8 and ARMS, havent played Splatoon but the online is popular
The online in mario kart is also dogshit it's just not a game that needs good online
MK8 is asynchronous online, the players are never where you think they are.
The only Nintendo games I've played that had good online was Pokken and Splatoon on the Wii U.
Btw, Splatoon was only good in terms of the actual connection. It was missing many, MANY basic features like joining friends lobbies or even inviting others
Dark Samus is a clone despite having nore unique moves than Samus as a fricking Assist Trophy in Smash 4, no excuses to no atleast carry over those moves and rebalanced
yet they fricking gave Isabelle the semiclone treatment when she has 0 source material to take from making up shit for her
>b-but she's popular
so is fricking Daisy yet she is also a 1:1 clone, even patched to be more of a peach clone and she also had insource material she could've used to differentiate from Peach
Ignoring the waist that was Sora, Charizard and Ridley got fricked over.
How in the frick did a pair of winged dragons known for their exceptional flying abilities get implemented with shitty air mobility? What the frick was Sack Of Rice smoking? And how the hell did Ridley end up being lighter than Samus?
Also, Daisy and Isabelle didn't need to be here. Unpopular opinion, but Peach was the original waisted slot back in melee, she of all characters didn't need an echo fighter.
Hell, echo fighters as a concept just comes off as lazy. Dark Samus suffered the worst from it. As put it.
Would you rather they have recovery or that they'd die as fast as Pichu?
Better recovery than what they have now would be a good start. More jumps and greater air speed would also be nice.
Ridley's throws being trash is also a terrible design choice. As is his (and Charizard's) lack of range attacks when their source material has them using long ranch fire blasts all the time.
Another potentially unpopular opinion, Zelda's busted in this game. If anyone needs a beating from the nerf hammer, it's her.
Well, lack of good range attacks. Should have specified.
>Fewer Air jumps than Dedede or Pit
>Ridiculously slow air speed for obvious recoveries and free combo fodder.
>Lighter than Samus
>No tail bounce, period
>Massive windups and cooldowns on all of his specials
>Neutral B has extra weakpoint and cannot be canceled or stored
>Skewer doesn't pop shields
>Space Pirate Rush constantly gives kill false positives at anything below 150%
>No OOS options.
>Throws are all garbage. Down is the only halfway useful one, and it's just a bland Fair starter.
Sakurai REALLY resented having to add our boy, didn't he?
Ridley got a ton of buffs throughout the game. They don't hate ridley, they just balance around Free 4 alls with items on. Which is why heavies suck.
Wasted opportunity to make Daisy faster bcuz athletic. Maybe tone down the float magic and gardening skills in return.
I hope in the next game they fix echos
Online fricking sucks
The only american made character is dark samus
>No single player content
>Spirits are dogshit and inferior to trophies or even Brawl stickers
>Removed Fire Mario skin but none of the other useless skins Mario has like the pink outfit skin
>Link skins are still lazy, still no option to play as any other Link like OoT or TP Link
>Brought back Young Link but don't do anything with his moveset
>Ganondorf, Sonic, Snake, Wario, and Lucas movesets are still dogshit
>Patched out Daisy differences to Peach, so now there's no point in playing as Daisy unless you're a Daisy gay(Which doesn't mean anything since Daisy is the least played character https://www.koopatv.org/2021/10/last-pre-sora-smash-bros-ultimate-fighter-usage.html?m=1)
>Removed many good songs because they weren't fast-paced but yet keep shitty tracks like environmental noises
>Online is dogshit, quickplay is just toxic GSP farming and arenas are poorly done although a okay concept
>Netcode is worse than Smash 4
>All final smashes except for Peach & Zelda are now turned into cutscenes
>Peach final smash wasn't changed and Zelda final smash is ridiculously broken to the point smash bars are banned from competitive play
>Snake codec wasn't updated but Palutena shitty guidance was. You could clearly tell that Palutena and Viridi VAs did NOT want to do this shit since they sound bored as frick
>No interesting new stages, all the stages are mostly dull by having the background move around on three platforms.
>Still nothing more non-Sakurai Kirby titles and Kirby survives WoL because bias bullshit
>You're forced to beat WoL to even change the main menu music
>Removed most of the Mii outfits from Smash 4 and still not bring them back like the Witch outfit
>Overall buggy at launch. Many characters would go back to their Brawl animations if holding a item
>Rushing the game development at launch and then making us pay $5 for a character that was supposed to be in the base game if we didn't buy the game within 2-3 months
>Isabelle
Did I miss anything else?
Why is cat hitler eating corn?
codec wasn't updated
One of the JP VAs died and they decided not to recast the character.
Still hate that Sakurai only decided to not include cutscenes in World of Light because "The clips would just be uploaded to YouTube".
yet KI:U has great scenes, so is so baffling, they are not pre-rendered but still, I don't think we would mind in-engine scenes anyways, hell the bosses and final smashes have them
SSE was shit and Samurai being butthurt about the cutscenes leaking online is what led to the shit single player content of 4 and Ultimate. What a dumbass.
He will never get over that shit will he, maybe he should step down and start training a protege rather than being egotistical and prideful.
Gotta agree with Arlo on this one, how is it that they weren’t training a possible successor to Sakurai behind the scenes during Ultimate’s Development is beyond me.
He's always been an egotistical dildo and Smash is his baby. He's never gonna let anyone touch it while he draws breath.
>Still hate that Sakurai only decided to not include cutscenes in World of Light because "The clips would just be uploaded to YouTube".
That's just a lazy excuse.
Crash Bandicoot and Kazuma Kiryu/Ichiban Kasuga are not in the game
They tried to half-ass Melee's competitiveness and ended up with something bland
they never get what made Melee fun and compedos are part to blame
it was the satisfying physics that made Melee fun, you know whats half of the game? PLATFORMING, the nu-smash floatyness and lack of momentum makes a lot less satisfying, is way too easy to do the hyrule temple jump and is way too easy to recover too
What you say is generally true, but recoveries being too strong is an overblown complaint born out of Smash 4 players being absolutely terrible at edgeguarding in the early years of the game. Some individual recoveries are too strong, but ledge trumping is absolutely critical to having the cast being as balanced as it is, and as we get into the late game meta getting back onto stage is increasingly difficult. Look at Pyra and Mythra. Compgays complained about how fricking broken they were on release, but now they're getting edgeguarded every single time they're offstage and people are dropping them because they're "inconsistent".
>DLC characters
>Balance, especially among the DLC characters
>Input lag
>Slow and floaty, like every Smash game since Melee has been, thanks to Sakurai and Nintendo's autistic hatred for competitive play
>Roster bloat - Too many 3rd party characters and too much representation from certain series like Fire Emblem
>Single player mode is repetitive meme garbage
>JPEGs instead of trophies
>Online is STILL dogshit
Spamming neutral air while short hopping is WAY too strong, especially on certain characters.
>mixed reviews on steam
Not gonna catch me, shill-kun
no online squad strike or smashdown
PUT THE SUBSPACE EMISSARY BACK IN RIGHT NOW!!!
Squad Strike still doesn't allow you to have multiple stocks on each character.
squad strike was such a wasted opportunity
Movement doesn't feel fun or rewarding. Instead it's sluggish and restrictive, and as a problem carried over from Smash 4, when played competitively it feels like you're always playing not to lose rather than deliberately making plays to win, and as a result winning rarely feels satisfying.
Charizard wasnt its own standalone mon
Rock smash is almost essential in covering his landings and was a FANTASTIC tool against shields, having it removed just for the capability of playing someone else is moronic, you had the room to shove several marths you had the room to put squirtle ivi and zard on their own slots
Also frick you for forcing you to switch on death and the exhaustion mechanic
Exhaustion did not return from brawl
They gave Inkling the Shield B to recharge Ink, why could they do that with Pokémon Trainer to allow for the Mons to get Down B attacks?
Changing Rock Smash to down+B fricking ruined Charizard in 4. Bosses could be destroyed in seconds but having to get used to changing the direction fricked me for some reason.
The UI is genuinely terrible but that's par for the course for Smash games, i suppose.
Blame Sakurai wife being a huge Persona 5. It's why Ultimate UI isn't really good.
I thought she stopped designing the uis with 4
oh my god that reminds me of how awful Ultimate menus are, even for Vs. why did they make it so cumbersome to simply start a match, I get picking quick pre-sets but man is annoying to make a simple asjustment like what one item to pick when it was just fine the way it was so not you gotta have like 8 named presets if you are the kind of why that likes to customize vs matches like that
>twitter screenshot thread
>online quality is complete inexcusable dog wank
>they should've carried over smash run from 4
>barebones training mode
>can't upload replays directly from your system
>platforms are too sticky
>wolf's voice and meta knight's sword sfx have been downgraded from brawl
>no standardized online ruleset so there's always a small chance you get matched with an annoying shitc**t that specifically chooses the most cancerous blend of ruleset, character, and stage to cheese you for free wins
Assist Trophies. Would rather a character just not be in the game
I have no idea why bosses and ATs are not playable at this point, well for Masterhand is just a part of one gamemode anyways ATs are pretty much characters with smaller movesets anyways at this point
They could do something like Kirby's Helper mode, just have something based around the Trophy's few attacks and give them a few fights or something.
The bad thing about Assist Trophiesis that you can turn them off which means they don’t get much time to shine, they really don’t have much longevity to them, maybe they would be better off as background characters like in KOF Stadium?
>Sakurai considers Assists and Costumes to be the same level as a character being playable/"in the game"
>He doesn't pay attention to online reactions, he's said this in interviews, so he doesn't know people fricking hate characters becoming items
>He'll never change it because he thinks the fans love it
It's understandable in cases where characters wouldn't be usable/properly conveyed in the context of a fighting game or don't have enough material to make an entire moveset for.
>or don't have enough material to make an entire moveset for.
That's fricking laziness. Hell, if Sakurai wants a character in that bad he'll just steal moves from other characters for them.
It's really not, the reason Pac-Man is such a combination of jank is precisely because Sakurai was filling in holes since Bamco wanted their pound of flesh before Kazuya.
I'm still convinced Steve happened as payment for Banjo.
It’s still so weird how Pac-Man attacks with PNGs of Ghosts and shits out Fire Hydrants, I never envisioned Pac-Man like that, maybe he would’ve been better as an Assist Trophy functioning like his Final Smash
You knows that bullshit and an excuse to just do whatever, and even in the remote case it was true, which is extremely unlikely, the other heads and nintendo would tell him "Black person WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU DOING"
I think I even recall some interview where he said he felt like he had a target permanently painted on his back
>"Black person WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU DOING"
Only NoA, Japan doesn't give 2 fricks what round-eye wants. The only reason we got Banjo is probably because the merch sells relatively well. BK merch comes out more and more every year and it keeps moving.
Yeah that’s why the Zelda series has lots of items and assists and he thinks that’s a fine way to represent Zelda characters while FE gets playable characters. One isn’t better than the other just different! Seriously frick Sakurai sometimes, he’s the human equivalent of a humble brag and honestly if it wasn’t for Japanese politeness he wouldn’t have cultivated such a god like reverence instead he’s be seen as the narcissist who makes shitty decisions about smash bros.
Would prefer Assists as a KoF Strikers mode where you make a load out of them to use in a match.
Here's how to fix that: combine ATs with Final Smashes. Call them Assist Smashes, and make them have their own select screen. Players can choose which assist they get to use, so they get more regular use and appeal.
yeah I thought loadouts would be a good idea since doing Crazy orders with the badges set
Not a single reference.
each series should be limited to 1 fighter
if they ever do another smash all they need to do is just port this and add maps/characters and thats it
most likely they give it the MK8DX treatment with another fighter pass
All Star mode sucked
World of Light had its faults, but gutting Stadium mode was much worse.
Also, I wish trophies weren't cut.
She doesn’t jump off the TV screen and suck my dick
Simon didn't need to be here especially when all he did was use Richter's moveset verbatim. Yes I am holding my L over Alucard/Soma but the point still stands.
he should be in but not as a separate thing, Belmont should have been done as Hero
>Simon
>Richter
>Trevor
>Julius
I assume this is what would've been done?
yeah, two classicvania reps and two metroidvania ones
The Miis could be better integrated.
Echo costumes were a wet fart of a "new style of fighter".
They should have brought Smash Run from the 3DS.
I hate the Miis.
>Want character
>They get costume kekekeke frick you
>It's fricking swordfighter again or Gunner
>Have to get used to this shitty playstyle if you want to use your "character"
For what it's worth, I prefer the generic costumes to the specific ones. I'd rather be able to make an approximation of a bunch of stuff than one specific character and nothing else.
>Garbage Persona Houses
I hate that the Miis are not a true Mii fighter, taking moves from games with the Miis in them doing goofy shit and you can just alter their face or something. Idk who asked for the 3 class shit.
People who automatically take costumes as a negative need to fricking kill the selves. Same with all the homosexuals who ruin what is an otherwise cool Assist Trophy role with b***hing that they aren’t a character.
Roster gayging can be fun, but it’s a fricking atrocious trying to enjoy anything with them.
Assist Trophies should never go to characters with actual moveset potential. They should be reserved for characters like Thwomp, Chain Chomp, Moon, Nikki, Kapp'n, or Sheriff. Characters that either are just generic mooks or one trick ponies. Otherwise you just wind up pissing off fans who wanted them as a potential DLC pick (Krystal, Zero, Alucard, Grey Fox, Isaac, etc.).
But they were never planned as DLC?
Like, it's not like Shadow not being an Assist Trophy would have made him a character. He would only just be a GHZ cameo and a spirit.
None of FP2 was planned at the start, but you'll notice that NONE of them were upgrades from assist trophies.
Besides, I'd rather give the fans of those characters hope that they'll appear than to just dash them right away.
Why, you saw what that led to with Porkygays.
Rosterhomosexualry born mental illnesses won't vanish simply because you can speculate longer.
Rex would have been there if the proper implementation didn't cause issues with the hardware.
Do you really think that’s the case? We did get Pokémon Trainer and Ice Climbers back, I don’t think Wrex needs another model of the other 2 when he can just reference the boost
Well, that's what Sakurai said and Rex and his b***hes would probably have more complicated models than the Icies and Pokemon.
Mii costumes and assist trophies are not important. Not because I say so, but because Sakurai says so. They would appear in the character trailers otherwise. Rex and Spring Man really showed how awkward Min Min and the swordbawds were when you had to pay for them. Nothing is better than something.
To be completely fair, any Arms gay will tell you that it was obviously going to be Min Min, but that conversation was drowned by all the pretend Arm gays who think simping for Twintelle meant she was getting in.
I blame homosexuals like Alpharad for making it normal for non-fans to open their fricking mouths when it comes to smash reps of other franchises
>making it normal for non-fans to open their fricking mouths when it comes to smash reps of other franchises
Understatement of the year. I remember all the people shitting on K. Rool and DK back in the day and as soon as he got confirmed for Ultimate, everyone was suddenly in support of him. I love how Smash has to tell people to like something and not by assists or miis but actual fricking playable characters.
I remember multiple anons admitting that they didn't want K. Rool in but "got it" when his trailer dropped.
People cannot think for themselves.
Add on to that, K. Rool's support wasn't just for Smash, it was for DK in general and the Kremlings by association and the support was growing since Returns. I remember the post the Kremling Kampaigner made about Geno not getting in Smash as a fighter and it made perfect sense; Geno's support rallied in with the Mii costume last game, K. Rool's support was already years ahead of him and not just for Smash but for the next DK game. Obviously Geno got his day with the remake but all those other one-off homosexuals who told DK fans to be grateful for the costume and that DK was fine with two reps while their one-off IP needed that slot failed to get enough support for their characters and being grateful for scraps wouldn't have gotten K. Rool as a playable characterl
Being loud and obnoxious as well as consistent with your demands gets results. Take notes on K. Rool fans and their work with garnering support, that's the fricking way to do it and it paid off in the context of Smash.
Basically, Geno gays are egotistical
Eh, if you want to say it like that. But SMRPG is gonna succeed and he's a big part of it so the egos are justified and vindicated.
I only say it like that because a lot of the roster gay strategy is acting like you are above anyone else.
Outside of that, actual Geno fans are going to eat good with that remake, me included, but I’m obviously talking about the dick riders who never cared
Fair enough.
Obviously there is the genuine fans, it’s the non-fans who make it so fricking obvious.
>Oh, uh, who is that? Oh, thanks chat, WHOOHOO
I love Smash Kingdom mocked the Miis and made the all go like
>”HEY GUYS ITS ME” *INSERT CHARACTER NAME HERE*
It starts at 20:58
no cpus in the online portion of the game for kino team battles with friends and no 8 player smash online
>8 player smash online
The online is already unplayable as it is.
it should be an online mode where you don't have to share a camera to overload with information, frick huge stages like Great Cave Offensive would be kino with an independent camera where you have to search and destroy other
although the stage could use some work, the death zones should be based on knockback rather than stamina and theres frankly too many of it with lava placement making some parts look ugly
also I would love to see the Melee Zelda maze come back as an 8-player online gamemode
Getting rid of shield dropping was one of the most moronic decisions they could have made. They finally add a way to maneuver shields without spot dodging by holding two shield buttons, and they decide now's the perfect time to remove a mechanic that benefits from being able to easily angle shields.
https://sourcegaming.info/2022/10/28/mega-smash-poll-ultimate-results-most-wanted-fighters/
>heres your Smash 6 newcomers bros
would you take it?
Top 15
>Crash
>Bandana Waddle Dee
>Phoenix Wright
>Waluigi
>Rayman
>Master Chief
>Geno
>Isaac
>Dante
>Doomguy
>Eggman
>Shantae
>Dixie Kong
>Travis Touchdown
>Reimu
>Shovel Knight
>Shadow
>Paper Mario
no
I'd take it.
These are always rigged. Every goddamn time.
yeah I know, but they are generally reflective of the average rostergay taste
>Midna
>94
Trash
These are always just what YouTubers TELL kids to want.
based, honestly there no reason she shouldn't be up there when the likes of Geno and Skullkid are up there
I want Toad.
this list kinda fricks over Toad, he should be 26th since they seperated Captain Toad and Toadette(who is an obvious alt)
I really only want phoenix here. Bandana dee is such a shitter choice for kirby
frick you Black person but I do understand if you feel that adding a 3rd puffball to Kirby guys is underwhelming, I feel the same about Impa to the zelda newcomer being a second sheikah after all this time of not getting one, some say this for Knuckles and Shadow being another speedy quill furry with a spindash so to each is own
not just that, but I think bandana dee is boring and shitty. Adeline, Dark matter swordsman, daroach, marx, magolor, taranza, or something stupid like the dreamland 2 friends or gooey are all cooler and interesting choices
I wouldn't be mad if someone else got in over Dee myself since is all good choices
they just should've added Kirby guy a long time ago to the point where adding just one means another good one would feel snubbed in away but they can also add 2 at once, hell Smash 4 did it with FE adding fricking 3, 4 if you count roy returning
There's no way these are today's youth voting these characters. They should have a say in who gets in.
Today’s Youth would be voting shit like Amongus Imposter, Freddy Fazbear and Fnf Boyfriend
Good.
they do, they are on the top 100
Amogus has a pretty decent moveset potential, should be in, Freddy Frickboy has a billion skins and a decent soundtrack, should be in too. The other dude sucks
They would only pick cancer.
Top 15
>Crash
Begrudgingly
>Bandana Waddle Dee
Buaj
>Phoenix Wright
Okay...
>Waluigi
Nice
>Rayman
Nice
>Master Chief
Nice
>Geno
Everyone who voted for him should kill himself
>Isaac
Hmmm... Okay
>Dante
Nice
>Doomguy
Nice
>Eggman
Nice
>Shantae
Frick you
>Dixie Kong
Hmmm...
>Travis Touchdown
No thank you
>Reimu
Shut the frick up
>Shovel Knight
Okay...
>Shadow
Okay...
>Paper Mario
No, thank you
Based Reimu mindbreaking normalgays.
I would've taken Reimu over the likes of Joker, Byleth, Sora and Sephiroth atleast
Waddle Dee
Yes
Wright
I get it but not for me
yes
Chief
>>Geno
no
yes
idk, I guess it would be nice to pair him with Bayo but not feeling it
I get it but no, I don't like the hall of fame idea
yes
not a bad indie but idk, she would be a good fit
Kong
Touchdown
yes
no
Knight
Mario
yes
Never forget this
>Dante top 3 in Japan and top 10 in EU
>not even on the list in US
what the frick that one's surprising to me, would've thought he'd be at least top 10
This list is fake.
wasn't there an actual list
there are polls but they are usually rigged or they represent a minority within a minority with just like one site
the way sourcegaming does it is lurking through a shit ton if forums so is reflective on the online smash communities taste
is funny how that was posted without anything backing it up, wasn't there a a silvagunner video exposing it?
atleast sourcegaming scrounges up numbers although in a weird way to back it up
they already did like 90% of the never-evers at this point, all that's left for rostergayging really is Geno and Waluigi and that's kinda it, I'd personally take Dante then Sakurai can add all the FEshit he wants
Rayman, Geno, Reimu and Dante? Sure why the hell not, but at the same time Touhou x Smash would birth something probably 3x worse than Persona x Smash so maybe not that one
>English-speaker only poll
The fact that they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel this far shows that Smash needs to severely trim down the roster, because there is absolutely nothing left to add that's worth the effort. It's all just memes, literally whos, and memes about literally whos at this point. Absolutely pathetic that this is the best people can come up with.
>noooo they should only include normalgay characters!!!
Frick off.
It's the fact that there's no actually good normalgay characters even left to add. What's gonna be your big headliner? A mascot for your competitor's basically dead franchise? A side character from a game that nobody actually played 25 years ago? What's even the point?
no one wants a "reboot" thats really just cutting half the roster for no purpose other than tourneygay wank
No one wants a bunch of literally whos either. The series has already peaked and it's just time to let it go.
>The series has already peaked
I will not let them stop until it looks like this.
I'd kill for half of these characters but this obnoxious dyke does not need to be in the game
Bub could be cool, would be fun pissing people off by just shoving them in a bubble. Would make for some hilarious moments at tourneys
How would King Boo work gameplay wise? Come on Anon I know if you were autistic enough to make this whole image you have cool moveset ideas.
I'd rather have Duster personally 2 b h
this image isn't mine and I'd probably change a couple of things here, but it can be done
>Spook
I love the idea of him having a Paper Mario based move, with what Lady Bow does I loved Piranha Plant for being pretty much the best Paper Mario representation we got
I like how that guy makes layout, isn't he on YT now as "feliciafan" the layout looks familiar
>victory screen
sovl
>this many glup shittos and echoes
I'm so glad smashgays don't get to decide the roster
but Wolf has more unique moves than Falco
Chrom was an echo of Roy but still had unique (copied) moves compared to him, just echo him over fox and stop bloating the roster, shit's starting to look like mugen
so why not have Falco echoed aswell?
>glup shitto
what the hell is that even supposed to mean in this context you red steckled elbermung
>thinks rock howard, the character who was adopted by terry bogard, is an Iori echo
nevermind you are just uncultured
>steckled elbermung
What the frick is that even meant to mean you boobly poopideedy. Bullshit terms are fun.
The roster sucks, although I agree with your point about Rock. Shit like Ms. Pac Man is moronic.
>crossing out the Parodius octopus, Black Mage, Akuma, Starfy, and the Daytona Hornet
>Having the gall to call Crono a Hero echo
Less taste than stale bread
Smash Bros will continue until it has 1000 playable characters, Sakurai's consciousness will become a digital AI and will continue his work long after his body perishes until his task is complete
>Sakurai AI develops future smash
>adds in the entirety of Fire Emblem and refuses to add in non-Sakurai Kirby characters
Pls no...
It’s funny you say that because his name literally ends in SakurAI
You want your recency shit here are your possible recent relevant shill picks
These are fine except that Toothpaste Cancer
for "relevant" theres also
>Impa being a major character in Age of Calamity and usually reoccurring
>Bandana Dee, pretty much always a major character in Kirby, in Forgotten Land, so is Magolor with RtDL D getting merry magoland and a magolor run
>Rookie Captain & Oatchi for Pikmin 4
>Waluigi a popular character that still shows his face in many popular spinoffs
>Ashley a popular character thats always in Warioware with a new warioware otw
>Pauline revived in Odyssey and is increasingly showing up in spinoff now being popular too
at this point saying theres no one left for Nintendo guys is willful ignorance to push an agenda
>waluigi
>doomguy
>dixie
>reimu
I like these, 4 out 15 is less than 30%, so no.
Throw out the garbage at the top like kirby goomba with a hat and just add the 5 at the very bottom. That'd be awesome
>Agumon, MARCO, Carmen Sandiego, Sgt. Cortez, Pajama Sam, Earthworm Jim
Glad to see some fricking good taste.
>makes sense but has less moveset potential than Banjo
>horrid choice in a franchise where literally every other character have better movesets
>meme, already done once, not point about doing it again
>filler
>yeah good
>I doubt it would work
>add Mallow with it
>ok
>good
>would work better than cap. king
>great
>doesn't deserve it
>just a semi clone
>no chance, 3 flopped hard
>great
>good
>semi clone
>would rep the bad games so no thanks
>already done once, not point about doing it again
bro I feel the same about most Capcom characters
>Viewtiful Joe
already done in TvC and MvC so I really rather have Wonder Red, granted that they are very different in abilities more than meets the eye
>Amaterasu
would rather have Midna & Wolf Link, again granted that the 2 are way different in their own ways
>Dante
literally smash crusade uses his MvC tools and we already have Bayonetta but I guess it would be nice to have both meet
>Arthur
makes a lot of sense, but hard to be excited when he's already done in MvC
so this makes Leon Kennedy the only Capcom guy I can really get onboard with even though he would still be similar to the RE guys in Capcom fighters
also yeah, you can say the same thing about Megaman and Ryu but to continue this I say they would fit smash's gameplay well I can see them being refreshed since Smash has totally different gameplay than capcom fighters
>my favorite Pokemon got three votes
That's more than I was expecting to be honest
>Crash
frick yeah
>Bandana Waddle Dee
frick no. most boring character ever. marx would be better.
>Phoenix Wright
I can think of at least 5 other capcom characters who would be better
>Waluigi
meme pick. no moveset potential.
>Rayman
I guess that would be ok
>Master Chief
frick no. would be extremely out of place.
>Geno
would be fine i guess
>Isaac
laaaaaaame
>Dante
frick yeah dude
>Doomguy
better than haloguy i guess
>Eggman
frick yeah
>Shantae
lame
>Dixie Kong
lame as frick. no more donkey kong characters are needed. maybe funky kong as an echo but that’s it.
>Travis Touchdown
ehhh…i guess
>Reimu
fricking moronic pick
>Shovel Knight
sure why not
>Shadow
would be neat
>Paper Mario
lame
>fricking moronic pick
Shut up. Reimu would be kino.
only autistic people know what touhou is
Guess who plays smash
I have many problems with this but my main problem is the lackluster base game, especially at launch
>barely any newcomers
>barley any new stages
>stage creator had to be added later on
>home run contest had to be added later on
>neutered all star mode
>no target smash
>no trophies
>no masterpieces
>no smash run
>spirits are just dumbed down versions of events
Incineroar.
Why? Dude is the most expressive character in the cast and is so honest moveset wise that everyone else becomes a scumfrick when fighting him.
He's awful both in smash and in pokemon. Should not have been made, nobody liked him before his inclusion in smash, and nobody likes him now except for people like you who claim he's cool in smash.
Good
>Best Roster in the series
>Best selection of stages in the series
>Good argument for best general gamefeel of the series
>Best Classic mode in the series
>I enjoyed having to unlock all the characters
Bad
>Adventure mode sucked
>Lack of SP content
>DLC characters feel like they are from a completely different game
>DLC character choices sucked
>Worst single player content in the series bar none
>Removed trophies for no reason, brought back Stickers from Brawl which were only tolerable because trophies existed
>Removed alternate specials from Smash 4
>Multiple modes were missing from the game at launch and added postlaunch
>Modes from previous games with a lot of potential (Smash Run, that Smash Mario Party clone) were thrown out instead of being improved
>Game is still slow and floaty compared to Melee
>Online is still dogshit
All of the characters from one game is cool, as are the number of stages; barring that I'm not really sure what makes this Smash game the "Ultimate" one. I liked Brawl because I was 17 when it came out and was in college, and Smash 4 was pretty bad, but I still played them both way more than I have Ultimate.
Smash 4 has worse SP content for the simple fact that it doesn't have any. Ultimate is definitely second worst though.
>hungry content box
There's way too much visual clutter on screen. Knockback smoke trails are way too opaque, and there's dozens of different hit effects that obscure what characters are doing. On top of that, stages are either too light or too dark and your characters don't contrast against the backgrounds enough. Any gamemode that involves more than 2 people is a chore to play because you just end up constantly losing your character.
I hate every homosexual like op or the fat frick in the tweet who have this game living rent free in their heads.
A thousand painful deaths be upon them.
What hasn't already been said about this game?
>Bad online
>Boring story mode
>No boss rush even though it has the best boss battles in Smash
>Obnoxious input delay
>Minimal hit stun
>Poor movement
>Sticky platforms
>Excessive sharking
>Multi hits are universally broken especially if your name is Samus or Pit
>Least counter play to projectile spam compared to other Smash games
>Recoveries are so good that top players like Leo refuse to edge guard because 50% of the time you're putting yourself at risk of giving up advantage
the fact that some potentially great stages are locked to boss battles
>Ganon's Tower is locked to a boss fight
>Marx's wasteland is locked to his boss fight
>a Monster Hunter stage is locked to Rathalos boss fight
they did it for Dracula's Castle so why not just quickly make a stage with these backgrounds?
like I get that in Brawl bosses were also lock but goddamit these are obviously locations that would've made for great stages rather than throwaway backgroubd part of the sse
it has an insufferable community
The character select screen being sorted by release date was moronic and should've looked like picrel
yeah I loved how Brawl had it grouped
Sakurai only gave us the option to hide echoes but not organize the characters by series which is so lame, also I’m not gonna ignore the fact that FE has almost a whole row to itself which is disgusting and absurd. Frick “Everyone is Here”
>the better Pac-Man stage is stuck on 3DS
This one's really upsetting. There are two Pacman stages, one based in one of the most important works in the history of videogames, and the other looks like an mspaint drawing based on a game nobody played, and the one that made it to Ultimate is the latter.
it boggles my mind since Pac-Man World's Village makes for a good looking background with a unique platform layout thats obvious so is not like he has 0 material
>Spirits are mediocre. They don't have the flavor text like trophies did nor are the battles as interesting as event matches.
>World of Light is a slog because of spirits. Some highlights like the themed areas and bosses but they're too few and far between to make it worth replaying
>All star mode has been butchered and is now a glorified multi man smash
>No break the targets, not even fricking target smash
>Smash run and master/crazy orders are gone
>Series staple modes like home run and stage builder were patched in months after launch
>Some series get way too much representation while others get frick all. Some of them can't even get a single new un-remixed song.
>Input delay makes the game less fun to play. It makes competitive more of a chore than it needs to be and makes the shitty online even worse
>Making all the final smashes automated was the wrong move
>Online doesn't fricking work. With the input lag the game already has by default it's a worse online experience than Sm4sh.
>The "choose your own ruleset" shit for online matchmaking doesn't please anyone.
>GSP is a worthless ranking system
>Even if it did work the online is missing modes like squad strike for no fricking reason
>Competitive is once again ruined by an overpowered character the community refuses to ban
>Character speculation has become a blight on "gaming culture" as a whole. Any character or series that gets sucked into it, regardless of if they're even in the game, is worse off.
>All star
this made me really sad when the game came out, i dont care if it takes like one hour to beat if its normal characters it wouldve been better than what we got
>Smash Envelope
This anon brought up a good point about the Smash Invites and CGI Trailers
>Some series get way too much representation while others get frick all
Fricking this man, Castlevania got more love on its Smash Debut than Sonic did on his and even got an Echo Day 1
This image forgot Villager and the fact that Young Link wasn't in Brawl.
Villager yes, but Young Link is mentioned
AC actually had its logo in Brawl for smashville
The reason why sonic doesn't get any more reps is probably because he's not that popular in japan. I remember seeing a video on what does japan think about sonic, and they were confused as to why he is in the smash roster.
stuck on a console that doesn't even have an ethernet port option so multiplayer is desynced at nearly every second of time.
i played the game on lan and it was a lot of fun. you play online and everyone just picks an anime swordsman whose melee covers half the screen and abuses the frick out of the 400 ms lag.
singleplayer is dogshit. no secret characters? its soulless, every 10 minutes you unlock new character. i still remember when i coincidentally encountered luigi in melee, how could you forget that kind of experience? having to fight the new character, as a challenger? ultimate felt like a compgay swansong but who the frick takes party games that seriously? its okay to not have every character unlocked. just like its fine in a fricking game where ganondorf and kirby beat the frick out of each other to have a few wacky items spawn. horrible fanbase
>too much buffer
>too much input lag
>horrible gameplay variety compared to previous games, especially for single player
>there's a Boss Rush function in story mode but for some reason that was never made a standalone option
>the halfway approach to duller colors than SSB4 that just makes everything look hazy and lower contrast
>moveset design and care has been heavily lopsided since Smash 4, where 64 and Melee veterans are severely lacking on source material fidelity/relevance and mechanical richness/complexity with extremely few and minimal concessions
>anime swordfighters have long and consistently exhibited a tendency to be extremely strong and incontestable while requiring comparatively low effort and risk
Everything about the online
>no edgehogging
>free recoveries on 95% of characters
immediately into the trash it goes.
Lmao I never liked this change
>Mario is a trumper
I should have seen iit sooner
he was there on 1/6
test
Remember when there was a fake leak during the prerelease days of Smash 4 that Metal Sonic was going to be a alt skin for Sonic?
Why didn't Ultimate make Metal Sonic a echo for Sonic? It would have been pretty fricking easy to do and would please fans.
there are a ton of missed opportunities for echos
No ledge guarding and no recovery play make the game even more nair focused than it already is.
The real shitty thing about this game is it's designed in such a way that games very rarely have more than a 100% damage difference. It's always lost stack sets that feel like kind of a tossup of who will actually close out the stock.
It's interesting how apparent an ultimate player coming over to melee is through their gameplay, they always have these moronic habits that probably work fine on ult online, but they just keep trying to force them in melee.
>No ledge guarding and no recovery play
This is just plain false. In Melee, ledgeguarding is simply too easy, it's one of the least skilled parts of a technical game to the point where it's not interesting to watch because so much of it is guaranteed. In Ultimate, you have players known for their skill at ledge guarding, and watching a well executed ledge guard is satisfying as a viewer experience. Ledge guarding in Ultimate is a complex process of multiple stages because your opponents actually has options and you can't just ledgehog them. At this point, players have pushed their characters' advantage states so hard that it often only takes one or two neutral wins to infinitely ledgeguard-ledgetrap loop for an entire stock against many characters.
>anime swordfighters
I'm gonna go out and state the obvious here and say people don't have a problem with anime swordfighters, they have a problem with FE swordfighters and conflating the issue under "anime swordfighter" is being willfully disingenuous and fricks over the members of the cast that are actually unique but still get that label stuck to them, you can't equate Link and Cloud to Marth and his clones that all have the basic "guy with sword" movesets
people are truthfully just tired of the Marth archetype (Marthetype?) and want something different or even out of left field
yeah looks at the skeleton/frame for all the swordies
>Link: standard guy with a sword and shield
>Toon Link: Chibi kid with a shorter sword and shield
>Metaknight: puffball with wings using a short spiked sword
>Shulk: skinny guy with a funky futuristic sword, 2hands it mos of the time and sheeathes it
>Aegis:(didn't buy their DLC so idrk)
now lets look at the fire emblem guys
>Marth: Skinny guy with a narrow sword, one handed at all times like a fencer
>Roy: skinny one handed narrow sword user
>Ike: Beefy guy with a hefty claymore
>Lucina: literally marth but gorl
>Robin: stocky guy with a zig zag sword
>Corrin: skinny one handed narrow sword user(may have some dragon form attacks but this is his frame)
>Chrom: another one handed narrow sword user, also a clone of someone who is a clone to begin wish
imagine a fighting polygon team with the FE guys
also got Cloud, Sephiroth, Erdrick (Hero), Sora, and Pit and Joker if you want to get technical about what counts as a 'swordfighter'
yeah, they also atleast have varying frames of their skeleton and swords
People b***hed just as much about Dragon Quest and Xenoblade.
Xenoblade I'll give you but 'HOES MAD' was forced as frick when Hero did it because Banjo got announced in that same direct and it was contrarian shitposting and beating a dead horse meme when Byleth did it
Xenoblade had unfortunate timing twice
>Shulk was revealed next Luciana and Robin, practically giving birth to the anime swordsmen meme
>Pyra was revealed in a notoriously bad direct with throwaway animu games no one remembers sans project triangle, also after we just got Sephiroth
Pythra also gave birth to the Scrimblo Bimblo shit but I’m glad it’s kinda dead now.
No, people were b***hing about DQ even when Hero was just leaked.
I genuinelly wonder how popular FE is in Japan. I feel in the West there's a large portion of Nintendo fans who hate it on priciple for it taking up so many character slots.
Obviously the series needs to be represented, but unlike characters like Cloud, Sora, Sephiroth, or the DQ Heroes, FE doesn't have an anime style that feels "distinctive" like Nomura or Toriyama's, it's very much "generic anime swordfighters" by the dozen, they themselves are the reason the term even exists. It’s also disingenuous how the term has rubbed on to other swordfighters who aren’t from FE and even 3rd Parties.
>I genuinelly wonder how popular FE is in Japan.
It's actually not that popular.
The games sell way more in the west nowadays.
Well considering how FE switches artists all the time (and unlike FFs all it's characters aren't from the mind of one artist) of course it doesn't have the strongest artist identity.
This makes me wonder if in the future when presumably more Xenoblade characters are added to a future smash bros game, Shulk will feel like the odd man out since Saito seems to have become the series artist.
They'll redesign him to look more like he did in Xenoblade DE.
It'd make more sense to redesign him to match his Future Redeemed look
It has less single player content than brawl and there's no descriptions for spirits (formerly known as trophies) online is fricking dogshit too but it's nintendo so it's to be expected.
>Online is terrible
>Some character models look really bad
>Some of the songs in the soundtrack sound better in previous games
>Not every stage is in the game
>Most of the new stages are mediocre
>No Trophies, and no reason to do anything aside of playing versus mode
>UI is ugly
I still think it's a nice game, but mostly because I play it casually with my friends and brothers just like every other smash game, but for the last entry made by Mr.Sakurai this is a bit underwhelming.
Sakurai says that every time, expect Smash 6 made by Sakurai in 2025
Sakurai be like: “If I retire then who else will add 10 more Fire Emblem characters?”
Online being so awful pissed me off the most. I would play Ultimate weekly if it was even somewhat decent but no.
If Smash wasn't Smash then people would've ditch this game a year in.
low effort port
It attracts the stinkiest Black folk in existence.
No Single Player. This game focused solely on the roster and fighters and not on anything else.
Bringing in the concept of Echo fighters and doing the bare minimum with it (You seriously couldn't do Shadow or Ninten at all?)
Online is awful
Removed trophies entirely
Bleak colors, I seriously thought it was an error on the E3 stream but it was actually something done on purpose.
Not enough echoes.
>Dixie Kong
>Paula
>Blood Falcon
>Dry Bowser
>Hilda
>Dark Link
>D. Metaknight (I already know he's a costume)
>Claus
>Metal Sonic
>Shadow Dedede
>Louie or Alph
>Tetra
>Panther Caroso
>Proto Man
>Medusa
>Ms. Pac-Man (I know, she's in legal limbo)
>Zack (FFVII)
>Jeanne
>Octoling
>Meta Ridley
>Lord Fredrik
I don't give a frick how redundant most of these are, it was the perfect time to bullshit in more characters from lesser known games to represent said games better or even beef up a few series with more reps. They could have gotten to an even 100. Even moreso since there's jackshit for modes. At least go all out with the roster and don't be afraid to do so.
Dixie Kong should be a unique fighter.
I agree, too bad everyone else doesn't see it that way. After all, we got K. Rool, no need for anything else, right?
Yes, that was actually said.
>we got K. Rool, no need for anything else, right?
But of course, we still need a new Fire Emblem protagonist every game. We're not barbarians over here.
Sonic still has a lame-ass moveset despite being the coolest character on the roster.
>characters could have up to 16 alts in Sm4sh
>Ultimate cuts everyone down to half
>some alts got replaced
You're telling me they couldn't shit out more reskins and keep old ones?
>Black Yoshi
>Purple Villager with white skin
I didn't need to be reminded once again of what I lost. Fricking Hackurai.
>remove unique color
>put in the same color
>BUT UGLY
BRAVO SAKURAI
Now that SMRPG remake is real is hope Sakurai is convinced enough to give Yoshi a Boshi alt
We need more character alts. Olimar could have the entire playable cast of his series as alts. Especially since Sakurai insists that he doesn't have an audible voice.
Imagine if there was event as Festivals and the higher you get, the better are your rewards.
example : Top 5% gets Mario Fire flower skin, Metal Sonic skin and more
>Got rid of Fire Mario and Blue Mario
>Gives him a fricking Waluigi alt
Never mind Link's alts, only pic related is good. And I can't unsee the painted legs of the FD alt.
Some of these alts are wired as frick
>Young Link’s light blue color makes his legs the same as BOTW Link’s pants
I also think these should’ve been Alts
I mean we get it Sakurai, you like to rub shit in by giving Mario and Luigi Waluigi Alts which is ver redundant but not fricking Wario who the character is most associated with
>They got rid of Little Mac’s Sandman Shorts
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>16 Alts
I felt kinda spoiled being a Mac Main and having so many to choose from, Brawl Wario Mains were gifted too
Online :
- Bad netcode
- Cheats (Macro, can modify delay for advantage over opponent)
>what should the down special be?
>uhhh just make it a counter
They could've improve the input lag at the very least
>No Subspace kino or sidescroller Adventure Mode
>No Smash Run
>No All-Star Mode (why)
>There's bosses but Boss Battles couldn't be its own mode for whatever reason
>Other missing modes added via updates because of course it's a Switch game
>Online is dogshit and so is input lag and buffer
>Fire Emblem bloat
>Smoke trails can be distracting
>No cool tech like dashdancing or DACUS
>Many characters are downright infuriating to play against
>Sonic, Ganondorf, and a few others still don't represent their series properly
>Echoes like Daisy and Dark Samus might as well be alt costumes like Alph
>Upper blast lines are inconsistent like in Tr4sh, no longer guaranteeing a Star KO or Screen KO. Also, Pac-Man, Mega Man, AC chars, and Piranha Plant are silent
>Some series like Star Fox, Earthbound, Kid Icarus, Sonic, and Pac-Man got screwed over when it comes to new Music compared to fricking Fire Emblem
>Master Hand and Crazy Hand are more obnoxious to fight compared to previous games
>Too many generic Bing Bing Wahoo grassy plain stage instead of Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road
>Pac-Man's stage is Pac-Land
>You can KO Assist Trophies but couldn't do something interesting with them like a Mob Smash mode
>Recycled victory themes from Brawl shortened for some reason
>Missed potential for DLC character skin and music packs
It didn't have the only good campaign of the series. Subspace Emissary.
This might come as a shock to everyone but Rayquaza is a Stage Hazard on Kalos, talk about a downgrade, same shit as Ridley on Pyrosphere except it’s RNG whether he shows up
Unironically this. How the frick did they think to skip out on this? Subspace Emissary is peak Smash. Literally the best thing Nintendo ever made period. It was flawed but imagine the flaws worked on and an even better version of Subspace Emissary in modern form. Can you imagine a full on Subspace Emissary that is 10-20 hours and it has more content, even better gameplay segments and even more custom music? I still miss the stickerbrush symphony segment. One of the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRI1Ac6AFxo
>Subspace Emissary is peak Smash
Subspace was fricking garbage. A bunch of generic locations with reject Kingdom Hearts enemies, a plot so shit they had to explain it on the Dojo and in interviews, every character got gimped movement and jumps to force usage of stickers, and they made you repeat the boring levels multiple times.
Melee's Adventure mode worked better. Just do that.
Melee's adventure mode would have been great if it had more than like three sidescrolling stages. Imagine if that game wasn't rushed.
>Subspace Emissary is peak Smash. Literally the best thing Nintendo ever made period.
SSE is just a shitty fanfic with dogshit levels, go read the fanfic
i want more mii fighter classes
too floaty
momentum when running+jumping is off
unimaginative move-sets (⅓ of the roster has a down+special counter)
World of light is a lazy ass mode. Even worse than Smash run.
No longer focused on Nintendo.
Hungrybox is really starving for attention huh
I still find it funny that we went from having an IGN guy telling Sakurai “it would be neat if all 7 Koopalings was a single character on a clown car” to Sakurai making Bowser Jr + Koopalings as their own reskinned characters
>No DLC
Most of my issues with the game comes down to the boring single player content (which has always plagued smash) and the gameplay incentivises spamming projectiles and safe play, also battlefield stages are worthless compared to omegas, the platforms are obstacles instead of extentions to the movement. It had the potential of being a normified version of melee (easier inputs thanks to buffer and simpler wavedashing) but just kinda played like a faster Sm4sh. And yes the DLC sucks but it's merely the cherry on top
Online sucks bad.
For Glory and For Fun should have been back as well
Paid online and steve ruined the game for me, it's funny how in both cases it's all microsoft fault...
I would have liked a new Donkey Kong Country stage
A tropical freeze stage would’ve been nice or bringing back the returns stage from 4.
At least they advertised the water fall stage with its new shiny graphics as some sort of new stage.
So many good options.
>grassland groove stage
>scorch n torch stage
>any silhouette stage
>sawmill thrill stage
>basically anything from Juicy Jungle as a stage
And that's to say nothing of the many missing songs.
I feel like everyone on the smash 4 and smash ultimate teams either did not play Tropical Freeze or at most only played the first level.
>5 Smash Bros games and 0 minekart stages when it has been a staple since the SNES
The problem with music is that Sakurai made the decision to let the composers do it themselves rather than have him indicate what gets remixed. He only puts specific guidelines if it’s a new series but most series are just pick and choose
Smash 4’s DK remixes consisted of 2 jungle japes and Returns title theme with vocal monkeys
HEY
HOHOHO HAHAHA HO
*HEY*
HOHOHO HAHAHA HO HA HO
As someone who actually enjoys the Spirits, I kind of hate that certain spirits don’t get fights, they either have to be bought or fused.
Some of the fights are really creative and others are just a repeat because you can only do so much with characters that function as other characters from other series.
Also, that Master Hand battle in World of Light was Kino, they should’ve let us select it as it’s own after doing it, why the frick do we have to replay World of Light for that man.
Smash 4 stages being roughly the same, fine, it’s super recent.
64 keeping it’s classic retro look, fine, understandable.
But why the frick are the Brawl stages the same? They should’ve given them the Melee stage treatment, that shit was dope
It annoys because Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2 stick out a sore thumb when only one do them is remade
>rostergayging
I'm so tired of you homosexuals.
It's bad because they stopped making DLC and everyone sucks Sakurai's dick too much. Don't get me wrong, the guy's amazing, BUT he needs to let people make more characters without his direct supervision. I appreciate what he's done but holy shit; he overworks himself but he has no one to blame but himself since he seems to be unable to let others fix things.
Never forget that Brawl tripping was HIS idea. He makes mistakes.
Removal of trophies.
Spirits would have been a 100% acceptable replacement if they had descriptions telling you who they were and what they came from.
Why the hell didn't they do that? Were there simply too many of them?
honestly, badges are better for stat setting
why the hell have like 8 different stickers that do the same thing while not even having a description
Smash 4’s trophy descriptions was all the Mother guy, he had to do everything himself and consulted for stuff he didn’t know. It made for some interesting set ups.
If anything, they should’ve at least given the 3 and 4 star spirits descriptions cause then that would make them more valuable to have
I think a reason why they removed trophies was precisely to do away with all that text. Most of the trophies in Brawl and onwards are lifted straight up from other games or already used in the Smash in turn. It's translating hundreds of tidbits into several languages that'd prove an extra load.
I can understand wanting to change to spirits to allow even more references, especially with event matches, but they should’ve at least given us some descriptions
I can say something bad about hungryvaxclots
Why the frick did Smash 4 have a 2 minute limit on songs, and butchering the ones from Melee and Brawl.
Thank frick they removed that limit in Ultimate, we got good ass remixes that took longer than 2 Minites compared to Smash 4 remixes getting cucked cause they had to stay at 2.
Did they ever try to fix the loading times for alt colors?
They put incineroar and piranha plant in the game. World of light is worse than subspace emissary and melee adventure mode.
No Ashley despite Warioware Gold coming out around the same time as pre-release speculation
What relevance does Ashley have that warrants making her a playable character to shill a 3DS game?
>she's in it
Big fricking whoop, even if they did consider side characters to be suitable shill opportunities, there are at least a dozen other characters from other games coming out around the same time that would easily take priority in front of Ashley anyways.
*What relevance to Ashley have to Wario Gold.
Way to frick up my post and turn my sentence into one I know people are gonna call out on.
Ashley is a good example of being a non-existent character who isn’t as huge as non-fans pretend to be.
Obviously Japan loves her, but they are aware this is separate from the actual games. Majority of Warioware fans will still say Jimmy, Mona and 9-Volt are first in line if there is to be another Warioware rep
9-Volt has so much potential. Basically Nintendo reference, the character. Could even Captain N him up and give him a Zapper. Mona would be cool if she had wacky attacks and became the new Ware rep so that Wario can be redesigned to be based on his action games.
Warioware is now making the series about everybody Wario ever meets. His entire fricking gang are main characters. His series can easily start giving focus with other characters so he can have Land primary for sure
CDi Link/Zelda would be my never-ever, but god i fricking want it pick.
man I just want Morshu or Gwonam in a mainline Zelda game
Morshu as an npc would be dope as frick. Harlequin would be a cool boss also in some circus dungeon.
Nobody tell him, he doesn’t know
I don’t know what the point of this post is
The fact that the trailer didn’t even show Ashley just proves his point
not really, Ashley never missed a single game since DS everyone knows shes coming
Yeah but like the other comment said, Ashley is just a cog in Warioware, she isn’t above anyone else
neither is Min-Min above the other ARMS but Ashley is easily the most popular so an obvious choice
It's not a fighting game
Go back to your dying general, FGC troony.
Sure thing gay, your game wasn't even on the list this year.
too many pedophiles and no targets plus story mode sucked
it got instantly boring
>take twitter engagement bait
>lazily repost it as (you) bait on Ganker
Frick off
>bring back Galleom as a boss and Petey as a Final Smash
>do nothing with the rest of the Subspace Emissary bosses
Why the frick did they do that? Duon could have been used for pairs. Porky could have been the final fight for Ness and Lucas. Rayquaza for the Pokemon.
The classic mode endings really fricked up, a lot of people getting Master Hand for no fricking reason, with only a handful getting unique scenarios like Pokémon Trainer with Mewtwo.
Luigi getting Dracula was Kino, they should’ve done more unique stuff like that.
Bowser fighting Rathalos half way for a final fight with Mario was funny
It looks worse than the previous game
Ultimate ends up having a lot of better visuals, but I would be lying if I didn’t say Smash U was pleasing to the yes with the brighter colors
>make characters more expressive
>kill all the color
fricking monkey paw
speaking of expressive, is funny how Smash Bros does Mario
>Mario in Mario, literally BING BING WAHOO man incredibly jolly
>Mario in Smash, brooding arsonist, even his voice sounds like he hates life
I hate that they didn't get Charles Martinet to do new lines for Mario, Luigi, and Wario since Brawl. They all sound like they're fricking drowning.
I really wish Mario and Luigi were based personality and design wise off of the Mario&Luigi series.
I always thought Baby Mario and Baby Luigi would be perfect for doing that
This is the price for having Snake and others in his vein in the roster, he's got such mute colors to begin with, every colorful character has to be desaturated to compensate. Smash Wii U didn't have him nor anyone anywhere as subdued color-wise so they could go all out on brightness
Only apply the filter to those particular characters then. Don't infest everyone else with that junk.
>Smash Wii U didn't have him nor anyone anywhere as subdued color-wise so they could go all out on brightness
Smash Wii U fricked up a ton of characters with the clay style. Characters like Ganondorf and Toon Link looked really bad.
I agree but that doesn't really have to do with the color pallete, that's a frick up as far a the specific Ganondorf design (I dunno what was up with the Zelda cast in that game, Link's face was horrid too)
Sakurai deems it necessary for everyone to feel cohesive
Because it was Twilight Princess’s gritty art style mixed with the clay style, it messes with them.
>hard mode
That's easy mode.
Reasons why Ultimate sucks:
-World of Light is underwhelming as the main single player mode, it's literally event match with a different code of paint.
-All-star was scrapped and replaced with a re-skinned multi-man smash.
-There is no targets mode in the game 5 years after launch despite it being a staple of the series since the original on the N64.
-Base roster has a whopping 5 new characters that aren't clones, one of which is hated by the majority of the playerbase.
-Trophies are completely absent from the game as a collectible, spirits don't even have a description of the character.
-Least new base game stages of any Smash game.
-MOST IMPORTANTLY: The game's fricking catchphrase "everyone is here" means the game is centered around regurgitating existing content rather than providing a new experience.
I'm sure it's the best game in the series if you're a sweaty compgay, a rostergay, or a fricking sheep that praises whatever Sakurai shits out as the holy grail, but it was one of the biggest disappointments of the decade for someone that actually wanted to have an enjoyable single player experience coming from a series that otherwise used to have it.
>MOST IMPORTANTLY: The game's fricking catchphrase "everyone is here" means the game is centered around regurgitating existing content rather than providing a new experience.
This catchphrase is inaccurate since if im buying the base game, i dont get the dlc with it. It needs an Ultimate Ultimate Edition
>Put a roster of bosses
>Does nothing with them, majority of characters get Master Hand, and maybe if your lucky, with Crazy hand
god they manage to make clearing classic mode with everyone such a chore despite the good idea of personalized routes
>everyone, literally EVERYONE does the same Race to the Finish deathwall level
>most characters fight the hands even kirby characters when they have Marx
>echoes are not real character guise yet give them routes too to add to the tedium
>IIIIIIIINCINEROOOOAAAAAR WINS
>CINEROAR
>Pacmaze, THE Iconic symbol stage for Pac-Man didn’t come back
>>>>
Pacland did
Fricking bullshit
>No Pac-Maze
>Nothing from any of Pac-Man's non arcade outings.
>His wife is kill, so she'll never be a skin/echo
>Doesn't make his iconic death sound for a star KO.
I'd feel bad if he wasn't such cancer to fight online.
No Championship Edition music either. That's some of the best shit there is for a fighting game, even Tekken did it for a bit, what the FRICK
>Min-min the ARMS character
>Literally the one character where fighting Master and Crazy hand would make sense
>Galleom
>it took until fricking Ultimate for Onett to get its theme
>Asuka Hayazaki decided it should have Snowman stapled to it in the most awkward way possible
>Port Town Aero Dive only has the old Port Town music
>the Mario 3 overworld theme isn't a selectable song
>everything that happened when they decided to make Yoshi's Island exclusively a Yoshi stage
>All these shitters spouting nonsense
Anyways to the only meaningful answer:
https://twitter.com/TweekSsb/status/1113248109289713664
>X homosexual
opinion discarded
the ammount of effort put into assist trophies is fricking annoying considering theyre a one in like 40 chance to see your favourite character do something a bunch of cool attacks, i really wish they were used as some kind of mini bosses for story mode
Assist Trophies are so obnoxious. On the one hand, you've got characters who fit like a glove, like Dr. Wily, Mother Brain, or the Metroid. On the other hand, you've got people like Zero, Alucard, Waluigi, Shovel Knight, Shadow, Knuckles, Midna, and so many more who would make excellent fighters in their own right, but instead get relegated to this unfortunate limbo, never to escape. And there are just so many of them.... Even characters like Knuckle Joe feel wasted when flipping Piranha Plant gets in.
Some assists have escaped their status to become fighters between games, but that happens more rarely than it should
>Waluigi
Lol
Kek even
>Piranha plant
He has the most variations of any Nintendo enemy, and Mario needed a unique slot
>most variations of any Nintendo enemy,
not even close
No he does, there’s a LOT of piranha plants
Dude, there are like 80 Piranha Plant variants.
is clearly Koopa, the so called variants of Piranha plants are clearly the same shit
>Piranha Plant
>Potted Piranha Plant
>Big Piranha Plant
while Koopa variants are like entirely different
>Koopa
>Lakitu
>Hammer Bros
That’s tremendously moronic anon, that’s not how species works
Oh please, Anon. Elucidate further upon the biological taxonomy of the fictional turtles. Explain to us how the Lakitu, explicitly described as a koopa riding a cloud, is not the same species as other koopas.
There is a difference between the same creature having different variations vs having a multitude of creatures that came from the same species.
Piranha Plant variants are all Piranha Plants at their core
Koopa’s, Hammer Bros, Chargin chucks, and lakitus’s are fundamentally different creatures that all come from being part of the Koopa Troop
>Koopa Troop
which are koopa variants
You moron all koopas are in the same species. This doesn't change just because you say so.
My point was that if a generic mook can make the jump, then it feels off to shove other basic enemies to the assist camp, to say nothing of major characters with obvious moveset potential..
>Mario needed a unique slot
Lol
Kek even
Oh I know, but the line with Assist Trophies are still tricky. Roster gays are makes it seem like they are owed.
>Implying Sakurai was going to let Mario have only have a Echo fighter
At the end of the day, Nintendo is MARIO, and there was no way in hell he wasn’t getting a new rep.
You cant convince me P Plant didn't start out as an item you carry and the head stretches and snaps at closest enemy. Even its FS while a cool callback, feels like a last minute thing tacked on.
I wish there a class of item with auto actions had you carry them like how it is for Kirby's Return to Dreamland
im not even super mad that theyre not fighters even though theres a lot of personal picks i would like (bomberman,shovel knight,knuckles,zero,etc) , its just that effort goes to waste for an item that shows up for 30 seconds, even shit like mii costumes have a lot more use becuase you can pretend youre playing sans and cuphead atleast
>one is an alt
>the other is an echo fighter
a lot of echoes really might as well just be alts, especially Dark Pit and Lucina
Meanwhile Fire Emblem has 2 echoes, not even Mario has 2 echoes, nope Dr. Mario doesn’t have the echo label
>Making all stages be able to play their series music
Cool
>>>>>All the side series who had remixes tailored for those stages gets removed into the “other” category
Why the frick would morons do that
>MARIO and MARIO KART are SEPARATE
>but all Mario sports spin-offs, Party, and Luigi's Mansion are lumped together under MARIO
I want a Mario Party Stage where you hit dice blocks that show up and grant you items or status ailments good or bad like Hero Hocus Pocus, there would be Blue and Red Spaces and if you manage to stay on them for like 5 or 7 seconds you’ll either heal or take 3% damage like receiving coins, not sure how happening spaces could function but I wanted to keep it simple and fun, always hated how Mario Kart got a stage and not Mario Party, same issues with one having more music than the other. Remix 64 impressed me in that regard
It's amazing how Mario has the most uninspired stages in all of Smash
Mario Bros. is nuts. Mushroomy Kingdom riffing on Reality Is Brown is a hoot. Rainbow Ride is inspired as is Super Mario Maker. Paper Mario's middle section has spirit to it (shame the first section is dull and the third has the worst layout in the game)
This makes sense as silly as it seems in the surface. Mario Kart really is its own thing for many casuals who otherwise don't play the rest of the Mario series
>The Sakura Samurai dubstep remix was made specifically for Luigi’s Mansion
>Remove it
Cmon man
>they made the Super Mario World stage count as Yoshi series so you can't have the majority of the Super Mario World songs play on it
>Game and Watch stage literally only has two songs
>Not a single Game and Watch Gallery theme
>Not even a medley.
Those games were the only reason I knew Mr. Gay Man Watch existed before I played Melee.
>second one completely misses the point of the first
>FOUR (4) Game & Watch Gallery games they could have just ripped music from
>No
This seethes me so much. Was playing 4 recently and has a bunch if nice tracks. Sometimes i question if Soccermom is really as big as a gaymer as he presents himself as or just has glaring personal omissions.
The lack of new stages to existing franchises still sucks, not even every newcomer got a stage, only the fighters pass.
Odyssey, Breath of the Wild and Splatoon are all we got because they HAD to.
then theres this bullshit
We never got Poke Floats back :'(
I still don’t get the justification for a lot of the stages that didn’t come back
>Pokefloats and Orbital Gate Assault are moving stages that are not that different from other moving stages
>Pac-Maze has a “3DS specific gimmick” except they still put NSMB2, they could’ve just used outlines or shine for each character on who gets a power pellet to eat the ghosts
>64 versions of Samus and Fox’s stage because their melee versions are basically upgrades sucks when they had different blast zone and zooms, same with Melee’s mute city, Melee’s mushroom kingdom
>Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls has no reason other than people that don’t like
>Miiverse which sucks didn’t make it in, they should’ve made an in game version for drawings like Mario Maker 2 did
>Flatzone X is basically 2 with an added section that mimics 1, though I think 1 having it’s set up permanently should’ve stayed
>I don’t remember but Pictochat 2 replaces Pictochat from Brawl, I don’t think it keeps the original parts of 1
Easy. I'll do the direct thing that ties to DLC character.
It's bad cause THAT is the only update to this game.
No new modes, or items. Nothing really to add on to the base game except one map that will be turn into an omega mode.
I would love to get new stuff with each update that give me more reason to play. I don't need a fighter I'll never touch when there could be more content added.
The challeges fricking suck ass in Ultimate, all you get really is a fricking picture, is pathetic how half the rewards are currency when you can just play other modes fof that
Brawl's challenges were so much better
Is the game even still alive? Normally there were MYSTERY homieS threads and upcoming characters but I haven’t seen them lately
Byleth killed the hype, even Steve was forgotten aftera week
DLC wrapped up almost 2 years ago now. The only things left to discuss are the game in retrospect, the rapidly detoriating competitive scene, and what the next game might be like.
I do not like how the all-stars mode was handled this time
Bowser’s already in the game bringing up koopa’s is stupid
no one is saying that, just saying Koopa is the enemy with the most legitimate variants
There’s a difference between a single species variation and an entire species branching out to new names.
The point is that Piranha Plant itself has a shit ton of variants.
If you have to call a Koopa variant its own name with its own variants, the entire point is lost.
Piranha Plant at it’s core has the most variations that stay true to the original
Some of the victory animations aren’t as satisfying as they were in Smash Wii U
Ganondorf for example, he has his laughing victory animation, but it’s missing the deadpan “drop” that Wii U does when it gets to his name. It makes it more satisfying.
Wario’s laughing victory is another, in ultimate is just happens way too quick
Abbreviated fanfares are a stupid choice in general when 1) anyone who felt they lasted too long was gonna press Start to get to the next battle asap anyway and 2) you introduce characters for whom a whole goddamn song plays after their victory
>Abbreviated fanfares are a stupid choice
The really stupid thing is that despite some being sped up, they're still way longer than others
Why was the Ice Climbers one cut down while Animal Crossing wasn't? Why did Pokemon and Zelda get new, shorter arrangements while Fire Emblem got sped up and a really shitty fade in edit?
>No specialized break the targets and board the platforms
>No 3DS Classic mode
>Same boring race to the finish
>No Adventure or Subspace where you fight franchise enemies, World of Light is a trash fire
>No Trophies only much worse stickers which also means no trophy pinball or trophy capture
>Nana is brain dead like Luma instead of Luma gaining an AI (inb4 wobbling, I didn’t know what that is and sounds like a gay gc problem and not worth downgrading the second ice climber over)
>Ken’s stupid always facing the opponent gimmick
>No red shells
>No red shells training stage stacking glitch homage
I’m sure there is more. It mainly pisses me off how many features were stripped and some really good levels being scrapped because “they didn’t work with transformation” when in reality they just weren’t esports compliant. I have one final character pet peeve.
>Mario still stuck with flud
Sunshine was dog shit and the mechanics were rightfully left in a shallow grave 20 years ago. I hated the change in Brawl and still hate it to this day. Playing since 64 that stupid water gun feels unnatural and doesn’t belong in his kit. Make it an item drop or leave the gadgets to Luigi, he is E. Gadd’s b***h now.
Forgot
>All Star mode is straight doodoo butter
I forgot Ultimate even has Allstar
Isn’t it just a Multiman mode now?
>Cuphead comes with Floral Fury and not Botanic Panic
>DOOM Slayer, Vault Boy, and Bomberman get no music
>the worst version of Burning Town
>>the worst version of Burning Town
This shitty overrated character shouldn't have been a Mii costume at all.
Nah, Floral Fury was the better choice
Floral Fury is the best song in Cuphead and that's no small feat
>No Gruntilda remix
For what purpose, I mean, thanks for the Klungo remix, but why not Gruntilda
It’s the same reason as another anon stated, it’s all based on what the composers want.
I guess everybody else was wanting to do other things that nobody decided Gruntilda should have one
Yoko Shimmomura basically remixed Treasure Trove Cove as if it’s a Mario and Luigi beach theme
They could have at least included the remix from Nuts and Bolts. The music was the only good thing to come out of that mess.
>Rusty Bucket and Click Clock Wood got nothing, not even the originals
>Lord Woo Fak Fak....because
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Sakurai because it's a 3rd party and we know they gotta approve the songs...and I'm also just unwilling to believe they'd explicitly reference that fight on Gruntilda's spirit battle and present Klungo's theme on it with a straight face. I really want to believe this was not their call.
They should have picked the OG if that was an issue, it was already tailor made for battle and Freezeezy Peak got in intact
My copium is that discussions for BK's comeback in the next Smash are already in the cards and several remaining tunes will make their way in then to offer some novelty with their musical selection
That said if anything we needed more Tooie songs, especially because the bosses each having their own remixes there meant we already had fight vibes for almost every level in that game
At least we got Mr. Patch's theme. Witchyworld is a bop, and it would have been inexcusable for it to be absent.
apparently even japanese players loved his boss theme
To be fair, Klungo’s song has a section with Cauldron Keep, and the battle was referencing both games final boss.
It was the best they could do with the situation.
It’s funny cause Grant Kirkhope joined a YouTuber to remix Gruntilda’s theme early 2019, when he would’ve clearly known and told to remix Spiral Mountain
There is literally no disadvantage state
>no combos
>recovering to the stage is free
>edguarding is worse than ledgetrapping
>air dodge, but specifically neutral air dodge, is way too fricking free
Hence every competitive match of Ultimate devolves into two morons giving each other papercuts until 170% and then fishing for stray hits (usually autocancel aerials) to kill
>MOTHER only got two battles theme combined into one song
2 fricking times by the way
>so many cool battle themes from all 3 games, barely touched
single player/co-op content >>>>> multiplayer autism
This is technically Smash U’s fault but I hate that Flat Zone X makes 1 a transformation. I much prefer 1 as a standalone
>the Flat Zones get combined
>the PictoChats don't
At least be fricking consistent.
>Make the best shit ever with Squad Strike
>No online
Netcode is complete shit.
The online is unplayable
Why the frick isnt MegaMans victory theme the same as when you beat a robot master?
This thread is dying so I made one dedicated to Smash music in case anyone wants to go complain about it there
Dogshit movement. Horrible input lag. Horrible online. Boring ass playstyles. Honestly naming a good thing about it is pretty hard.
>All the recent Smash threads maxing out
I hate the Smash cycle but frick me if venting and sharing ideas isn't fun.
>The one time a Pokémon villain team is Kino, we don’t get a remix of them
Why did they cuck team skull man, we didn’t need a remix of the Champion theme, it’s just a Gen 1 remix anyway