Tusk has been dethroned.
Greninja from the depth of OU has risen up to top15 thanks to Battle Bond.
And HSamurott still manages to get 5th for the third time in a row, new toy syndrome has been lasting for quite a while now.
Smogon OU usage stats
Tusk has been dethroned.
Greninja from the depth of OU has risen up to top15 thanks to Battle Bond.
And HSamurott still manages to get 5th for the third time in a row, new toy syndrome has been lasting for quite a while now.
>best OU starter in the most degenerate gen
He won so hard
fanfic meta
Hey verlisify
> And HSamurott still manages to get 5th for the third time in a row, new toy syndrome has been lasting for quite a while now.
Coping this hard
At this point it isn’t new toy syndrome when one Pokémon has a distinct niche of both setting hazards and countering the top brass of the meta. Kleavor is also high UU for that reason and if it had a better typing it could have easily been OU too.
Smogontrannies are still obsessed with stealth rocks
Play the fricking game low elo shitter. Rocks are fricking dogshit now. 5/10 of the top 10 resist rocks while 3/10 of the remaining run boots.
>7 out of top 10 are all stallhomosexualry pokemon
Gee
I sure wonder which playstyle Smogonhomosexuals are favoring
Get your eyes checked fricking moron.
4/10 are hyper offensive
3/10 are offensive utility
The rest are at most defensive utility or pivots.
Who are those 7 stallmons,homosexual?
Name them and embarass yourself
>Skeledirge top5 UBER above every Arceus form
SamurottSis...
It seems we aren't the best starter this gen...
We're cool with 2nd best and ghost croc deserves it(sickest fire starter in almost two decades)
>top 5 ubers
>dropped out of OU
>top 2 UU
Mr. Bone's wild ride
OU simply favors all of the Pokemon that counter Skeledirge. It has to Terastallize to handle Kingambit, Great Tusk, Gholdengo, Samurott, Ting Lu, Dragapult, Lando, Walking Wake, Greninja, or Garganacl, and they're all top Pokemon in the tier. It's also a heavy investment for Terastallization because there are so many Pokemon that are more busted when using it that the opportunity cost is too great to run Skeledrirge.
Man, ZU looks fricking amazing.
>both sun and rain weather setters are ou
>ttar languishes in uu
>abomasnow is seething somewhere
Excadrill can't come soon enough. Too bad he won't be bringing his buddy Dracozolt too
I mean tt its a bad tera user,most teras will make him lose hp with sand and the ones who dont still leave him with a lot of weaknesses he had pre tera.
Make pursuit his signature move
Its kinda hilarious the fact that Volcarona had to go but shitgambit is still allowed to stay while being n1 in usage
It's because the stallgays love Kingambit.
>gambit
>stall
Anon are you moronic or just baiting?
I honestly cant tell anymore
in the same way Dugtrio is stall
you always put 1 emergency sweeper on the stall team
most common stall teams dont have it and honestly ive seen no stall with it. Playing stall and a supreme overlord mon is just moronic
Because Kingambit is arguably a very easy mon to counter. It also has a much more predictable Tera go-tos and it is Tera reliant alongside relying on Sucker Punch. It also has to risk a lot more slowing it down.
How are smoggays still struggling with Kingambit?
Kingambit goes from easy to very hard to counter with tera. If the opponent hasn't tera'd yet and is in the endgame, kingambit is usually either fairy or flying. This means that stuff like great tusk, corv, and even valiant can't kill it in one shot if it is healthy and will therefore sweep your team. Gambit can also kind of muscle through some walls like donbozo thanks to Supreme Overlord.
I've actually started to run encore valiant on my ho teams so I can encore the gambit into sucker or sd and revenge it.
THE SUCKER PUNCH
THE SUCKER PUNCH IS REEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAL
>How are smoggays still struggling with Kingambit?
They're not. That's why it didn't get banned you moron.
I've seen homosexuals on Natdex pre-ban and even some OU players b***h and complain about "MUH TERA GAMBIT". Even if it didn't get banned there's still complains about it, even if I don't agree it deserves to be banned. Especially when Volcarona was a worse offender.
Volcarona checked Kingambit. Can't have that now.
the real reason is because tourneygays whined about the matchup moth, that's why volc got qb'd right before a big tourney
troony meta
Before this new fairy trend when gambit would always be flying,I actually stopped running ground moves on tusk in favor of ice spinner because he would always tera into that.
And gambit would be fine if not for supreme overlord,you shouldnt be rewarded for playing like shit and still getting a chance of sweeping back
I run Defiant Tera Fire Gambit. I know Tera Fire hasn't been relevant on him since Volcarona got banned, however stopping burns is much more worth it. Defiant is just a really decent ability in general and I'm not an autist who saves Gambit late game for SO procs. I found him much more fun to use early/first turn to add immediate pressure.
imo tera fire isn't that great because you lose to great tusk, eq baxcalibur (which i think most sets are these days), walking wake, and get revenged by Hamurott.
It does have the plus of still resisting fairy and preventing moltres from burning you so it's probably still okay.
I think defiant is a huge mistake over supreme overlord. Gholdengo has cucked few defog users left, and the only intimidate user in the tier is lando, where do you get the buffs from? You can use kingambit in the middlegame even with supreme overlord.
AND I'M STILL STANDING AFTER ALL THIS TIME
PICKING UP THE PIECES OF MY LIFE WITHOUT YOU ON MY MIND
I'M STILL STANDING
>YEAH, YEAH, YEAH
I'M STILL STANDING
>YEAH, YEAH, YEAH
>forgot pic
There's a realistic chance it's going to drop when the DLC comes out in a couple weeks.
Unless it gets Scale Shot back somehow. If it does, it'll be in the top 20 again. If it gets Dragon Dance, it'll be top 10, maybe top 5 and liable to get banned.
I hope the IOA tutors come back.
>If it gets Dragon Dance
Dragon Dance is TM100. If it doesn't know Dragon Dance now, it won't with the DLC.
Scale Shot getting made into a TM in the DLCs is the only hope you can have.
Garchomp:
> No Roar
> No Toxic
> No Scale Shot
> KOed by Iron Valiant's Moonblast
> KOed by Baxcalibur's Glaive Rush
What is Zapdos used for in SV OU?
>Great typing
>Defensively aged well
>Punishes some of the strongest pokemons in the tier with Static
>Has pivot, recovery, and overall a good offensive STAB combination.
>Special Attack is good enough for it to cause good chip damage with Hurricane/Tbolt
Zapdos is just generally always a solid mon. So I'm not surprised it's OU in this meta too.
While you wont be getting some sweeps with it,its surprisingly hard to take down,can punish pivoting moves while pivoting itself,self recovery and strong stab in moves like hurricane/thunder/tbolt
Strong defensive backbone due to its typing. Rock is a dogshit typing in OU this gen since TTar is gone. Ice is slightly more common, but also very easy to switch into. Zapdos also matches up incredibly well into any Water type that could hit it with a coverage Ice move. It's very hard to bring down because of the dearth of coverage for it in the tier, and because of that it offers a unique combination of offense, defense, and utility that makes it a solid glue-mon.
It's not overpowered or even all that exceptional, but it does so many things that it can hold your team together while you use riskier, stronger Pokemon like Iron Valiant, Pelipper, or Greninja.
It's pretty decent at everything.
Its typing gives it useful resistances and a useful immunity, while its weaknesses are easy to play around.
It has defenses that, while not god-tier, are good, especially when paired with its typing and access to Roost.
Static makes physical attackers afraid to hit it, which only increases its survivability.
It has decent enough speed. Not good or bad, but it outspeeds most of the other top 10 mons.
Its SpA, while again not god-tier, is enough to not be passive and need to be respected as a threat.
Has Volt Switch. Anything with a pivot move is automatically better than it would be otherwise.
Zapdos really just has no weak points. It's solid in every single regard.
HANG IN THERE, GARCHOMP
witch greninja set are most people using right now,
Battle Bond special attacker with life orb
Sometimes I see scarf or specs too but literally never with protean
ive been playing scarf protean i think its under rated
If you want to scarf protean just use the stupid cat
Battle Bond as a wincon with life orb.
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Grass Knot
- Water Shuriken
Its good but countermeasures will start popping up soon
It's countermeasures are no existing. Frog has a shitton of coverage, if somethings starts to pick like say, bulky dragons/grass/fairies it can shift it's coverage around to Ice/Poison, same thing Valiant did when people started to pack more G-Slow against it.
Pex, tom wash and clod wall it pretty much
It also fails to ohko most mons but it's true that if it gets a kill most balances will have troubles to stop it
Espeed deals with it, some mons can tank a hit
Also Tera saves you but ofc it means using it up
>Clodsire
Water Absorb
>+1 252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 234-278 (50.5 - 60%) -- 88.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Unaware
>252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 283-338 (61.1 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Its a kinda safe pre boost switch in with water absorb. Idk run sylveon or some shit, goodra h or god forbid blissey. If it didn't need a life orb it'd be broken, but you can switch around a couple times and he's dead
If that many special walls start getting used, it can just run mixed sets.
Mixed sets are useless with less than 100 atk and no protean
It's too frail and weak to get banned, especially now that dlc mons come back
>less than 100 atk
It's special stat isn't much higher, and it gets a +1 boost.
I thought you were more knowledgeable but with each post you convince me that I misjudged before
His dual stabs are special, pump is high bp and dark pulse can flinch. Do you think waterfall night slash is effective? Or low kicking, gunk shotting stabless will get you far? I doubt it
Someone post rises and drops im lazy as frick
OH NO NO NO
>Iron Valiant: OU
>Roaring Moon: UU
Looks like Violet-chads cannot stop winning. Scarletards BTFO
That's what happens when you're a mixed attacker with an actual speed stat, alongside a god-like movepool.
>119
>Not an actual Speed Stat
Roaring moon isn’t a mixed attacker in try e first place
Roaring Moon is incredibly fast and hard hitting, gets a stat boost in Sun (which is way more popular than Electric Terrain), and hits harder than Iron Valiant.
Its issue is being outclassed as a pivot by Dragapult and outclassed as a setup sweeper by several Pokemon. Enamorus and Iron Valiant being so popular mean that it's always in danger of eating a OHKO if it doesn't Tera and tries to setup sweep, and it can't cover Skeledirge/Clodsire/Dondozo with one Tera type.
RM is broken on paper and when it's up against me (i prefer offensive builds) but somehow when I use it it rarely gets the sweep off
He's extremely situational and matchup dependent. Like that guy said, it cannot answer all things that hard counter it at once and all these are better Pokémon individually than Roaring Moon.
In all my ou time,I only got swept by it once,hes kinda of a shitter
I don't think anon is calling Roaring Moon bad.
Rather just saying Iron Valiant is that good because it's a rare fast mixed attacker.
>Great Tusk: OU
>Iron Treads: UU
I'm amazed tsareena held for so long before going to NU
haven't played this shit in a while, How does Kingambit rise above tusk in usage when tusk is a counter to it? And how the frick hasn't it been banned yet?
Tusk can't contend with every Tera option it has and Tusk is forced to come in constantly to stave off hazards so by endgame where Gambit comes out it's worn down enough that Gambit can pick it off without too much effort. Tera Blast coverage also obliterates it if they're on it.
Tusk is also going down because boot spam is starting to become more popular outside of stall/fat balance. Pigeonholing yourself into running one mon that every team is over prepped for is pretty troublesome so people opt to not be on it at all.
>And how the frick hasn't it been banned yet?
It was suspectrd and voted to stay.
Most bans this gen have been quick bans by the tier mods. The community votes have been trending towards not banning anything.
>How does Kingambit rise above tusk in usage when tusk is a counter to it?
That's not really how the game works in general. Beating a mon in a 1v1 doesn't equate to higher usage.
And to answer your question, Kingambit is just fricking strong. It's not a complicated mon by any stretch.
KINGambit
>Samurott still in 5th place
>Garchomp still hangs on
basedbasedbased
i barely follow Smogon
how is moltress ou, I thought it was shit
Sneaky stones don't rape it anymore
>heavy duty boots
>everyone and their mom lost knock off
>severe lack of special sweepers make flame body extremely desirable
>the few special sweepers are fairies, which molstres resists
>sun is the best weather
also, as incrdible as it is, sneaky pebbles has been power crept, at least a little, i've played today and no one was using rocks
Quick recap:
>Gen 8 introduces Heavy Duty Boots, an item that grants immunity to hazards
>virtually every mon with a Stealth Rock weakness runs HDB
>Gen 9 introduces a mon called Gholdengo, which is immune to both Defog and Rapid Spin
>now Spikes are a worthwhile investment because you can actually keep them up
>SR has somewhat fallen out of favor because the mons who'd take more damage from it than Spikes generally run HDB
>Hisuian Samurott is introduced, who's able to set up Spikes as a secondary effect of an attacking move
>now setting up Spikes is easier than ever and removing them is harder than ever, and you get a potentially higher return on investment
Moltres became shit when Stealth Rock was introduced, and is now good because Stealth Rock is no longer omnipresent.
>Roaring Moon in UU
This is a fricking clown meta
rate my monotype water team bros
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Battle Bond
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Surf
Pelipper @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Bold Nature
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Surf
- U-turn
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 144 Atk / 112 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Surging Strikes
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 136 HP / 212 SpA / 40 SpD / 120 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Volt Switch
- Thunder
- Hydro Pump
Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 116 SpA / 60 SpD / 4 Spe
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic Spikes
- Haze
- Infestation
- Baneful Bunker
Quaquaval @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Aqua Step
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
Urshifu is in Ubers so unless you want to swap him out for another lower tier water Pokemon then you might as well ditch Pelipper for Kyogre.
monotype allows urshi fu but not kyogre
Not a monotype player, but if you're playing monotype water wouldn't you want to abuse swift swim.
>Toxapex
0/10
Too much. Negative numbers are allowed in here.
>toxapex
What does it add to the team aside from Toxic Spikes? May as well replace it with a Pokemon with an ability that benefits from rain.
You get your clock cleaned by Mono electric. Eleki just taps volt switch all day on your team with only a single neutrality. Consider Gastrodon or Quag.
You're super bad into Hazards. LO rapid spin just means you're put on a clock and your opponent has free reign to hazard vomit as soon as Quad goes down. Consider boots on Pelipper and less of a suicide bomber set on Quad.
Sash Gren seems choice to say the least especially with BB. BB exists as a late game cleaner and your hazard weakness means you're either not getting value from BB or not getting value from sash. If you really want sash gren use protean instead.
Offensive Wash is just plain strange especially with a moveset like that. Zero reliable attacks outside of rain except switch which conflicts with Plot.
Pelipper + no Swimmer seems strange and I'd either sub Pelipper for something more reliable like Samurott Hisui or throw in a Swimmer like Legion F or Skewda (please don't use Floatzel).
Also your only reliable inroads vs Water Absorb Clod are Quad BB (which basically puts it out of commission) and Gren who'd have to sink battle bond if it wants to secure the kill.
And finally, are those evs actually calced for anything? You've got really fricky ones on some of the mons and if it's to clear certain match ups that's fine but if it's just willy nilly than you probably should revaluate.
Garbage, you need a Water/Ground and hazards outside of just T Spikes on such an offensive team. Those sets and spreads are also very suboptimal, why tf does a Toxapex whose only attack is Infestation need 116 Sp Atk? Also zero speed control. Tera is banned in Mono as well so the Tera types don’t matter
>fanfic meta
>stupid homosexual
Smogtards really are
SHITCHOMP BROS WE ARE GUARANTEED TO BE DONE NEXT MONTH
DLC HAS 2 OP OU MONS
There's more than that, if they don't quickban Fezandipiti immediately.
>Scale Shot comes back
>top 20 OU
nothing personnel
>OU (at one point) in every generation
The true king. Not that Godzilla ripoff, or that dumb shark. (TICK TOCK GARCHUMP!!!)
KNEEL! NOW!!!
Nothing can beat KANTOOOOOO Privilege
>(at one point)
lmao the cope
Because it's true. And I knew a dumbass like yourself would go
>b-b-b akckauallay!!!!
(You) cope.
>Ursaluna moved from OU to UU
And people wanted to ban this thing.
lol
lmao even.