Huge news. Bkc, a tier leader for BW admits cheating is a problem. This isn't just "they hacked the mons". This is full blown cheating by spyinf on players before hand, in tournament coaching, smurfing (coercing losses through bribes) and ghosting (someone else plays your account).
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This is by far the most autistic thing i've read in 2022.
Not clicking that video
I can't believe BKC would do this. Sad.
Read OP. He says "BKC admits cheating IS A PROBLEM" not that he admitted to cheat
BKC actually admits that he's guilty of cheating in team tournaments in the video. Its easy to miss in a video that long, but he did say it.
>pedo fanfic meta
Isn't Verlisify a pedophile? Why would you insult your prophet like that?
Do you, perchance, happen to have that picture of all the moronic Verlisify sets from when he didn't endlessly whine about Smogon? You know, the ones like assault vest rain dance goodra?
Who is Verlisify?
moronic furgay that got mad at Smogon after everyone dunked on him for his frankly horrible sets. He created the term "fanfic meta"
He also got mad at said "fanfic meta" because Smogon stole his girlfriend kek
ngl you can actually get girls with pokemon online battling.
Elaborate
I like the Sandslash but I feel like the defense won't matter at all. Does it even get enough turns to set up a reliable amount of Evasion?
The higher your ELO the more girls you attract. They will be impressed by your skills and want to give you their phone number.
nah you meet more girls at low ladder. so you need an main with high ELO and talk to girls on the low ladder and flex with your main
You're more likely to find a troony playing comp than a woman. Sad but true facts.
That's a doubles/VGC set, so I don't think it'd live long enough to do much. It might get up 1 or 2 Double Teams as the opponent rightfully focuses down the other Pokemon before 4v1'ing the Sandslash.
>Double Team in doubles
Oh shit homie what are you doin'.
It's already a gamble in singles, and you have to play a format that actually allows it
He gets buttblasted over people telling him his sets suck. So much so that he "quit" Smogon over getting roasted
There's no defending the rest (AV Rain Dance lol) but the Persian set honestly seems fine. I mean it still sucks because it's Persian, but if you really liked the Pokemon and wanted to use it that seems viable enough. Snatch is at least a fun tech rather than just being completely useless
I'm pretty sure the point of roasting on that Persian set is that Persian had a better ability in Technician, and that was in Gen 7 when it still had access to Return. It's like running Drill Peck on a Pokemon with access to Brave Bird.
The only notable move Technician boosts is Fake Out and Persian already outspeeds every unscarfed Pokemon in PU so it's not that neccessary. Unless he's seriously trying to advocate using this set in OU or VGC or something, that's just beyond moronic. If this is a gen 7 set Body Slam over Return is definitely similarly stupid.
Persian did have Bite, Assurance, and Hidden Power to use.
If you want to do Evasion in doubles why not Minimize Starmie. You might get to +4 before the opponent can do anything. Also Recover and Natural Cure
Those are all for doubles? I hope not.
I think the Blastoise and Pidgeot sets are for doubles
Autistic/mentally ill girls, sure.
That's pretty funny though
His sets are hilarious. Fury Cutter Venusaur, Heavy Slam Wailord, Focus Punch Gengar, 0 attack M-Banette, Agility Articuno, etc
>This is what your average person who says "fanfic meta" unironically looks like
Holy shit
God he has such a punchable face
>created the term "fanfic meta"
Thats not true at all
Yes he did, he was the first one to ever use it. Some other anon probably has the video where he created it
that's bullshit Black person, things happen outside of youtube videos you underaged moron
Cope. You "fanfic-meta" gays are just repeating a meme started by a furgay who is mad at Smogon because he got cucked.
To be fair smogons community is toxic as shit, I simply offered my opinion in how Pokémon competitively can be improved and people act moronic and think im trolling
You ever notice how the top players of any game are pedophiles?
>Verlisify
>Top player
But yes, the pedophilia problem seems to permeate the upper echelon of both government and online communities. VGC, FGC, Smash, Discord, R*ddit, etc.
>fanfic meta
>fanfic champions
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
All dogfrickers are pedophiles, no matter if they like Smogon fanfiction or not. :^)
>Using a term made up by a dogfricker
>playing Pokemon like a dogfricker
>using words like a dogfricker
>drinking water like a dogfricker
You get the picture
There's a big difference between getting your ideas from a dogfricker and living life normally
>hating smogon like a dogfricker
No different really. There is probably a dogfricker who loves smogon instead, so guess you will frick the dog either way.
No, there's a huge difference. For example, you can be against an idea without using language created by a gay French pedophile "philosopher". Using the language of a gay French pedophile is very suspect, as is using the language of a dogfricking furry who seethes at Smogon for no reason.
I didn't even know from where "fanfic meta" came from, so there's that. Still really fitting, for how much people want to think Smogon equals competitive Pokemon.
5 mins in and I have no idea what the frick he is talking about and I don't feel like spending 40 minutes more because lol @ competitive pokemon. TL;DR?
Tl Dr, a guy known to suck balls used a bot to enter multiple other tournament players games to ghost so he can make the perfect counter team against them, like having a taunt toxic double kick terrakion to counter a smeargle lead
The bot was so effective at ghosting, the only tier he wasn't able to use it in was OU because the sheer volume of battles was too much even for the bot
>Surprise surprise, the tier he was known to suck at
The cheeting got so bad, they had to cancel the tournament and he got permanently banned
What is ghosting? OP says it's when someone else plays your account but from what you're saying it sounds like it's e-stalking other players to get an information advantage.
It can mean both things, depending on the context.
He made a bot join with a guest account so he could know his opponent's teams in advance as they were testing them.
why tryhard so much
>why tryhard so much
From what the guy who made the video said, he probably liked the dopamine rush from the chat complementing him and his plays so much
Sounds like narcism if you ask me
>taunt toxic double kick terrakion to counter a smeargle lead
holy
frick
This is why you should only play VGC
>meta filled with mons that weren't even genned properly
Lmao!
I don't give a frick about child game's fanfic meta and virgin incels playing it
sex-obsessed
>Worst community of pokemon fans, known to be pedos, cheats at their own game
You can't possibly imagine my utter shock and surprise.
The fact that this also applies to Nuzlockers and PChallenges is destroying my sides
?
Lurk moar homosexual
>known to be pedos,
HUH?!?
Do fanfic meta gaya really?
One smogonite mod was found grooming a 14 year old girl, he was a cop too, so that's why he got off the hook.
>he was a cop too, so that's why he got off the hook.
WHAT THE FRICK
https://www.thetowntalk.com/story/news/2015/07/30/rapides-deputy-fired-after-arrest--indecent-behavior-solicitation-charges/30907881/
Any records linking that guy with Smogon?
Anons posted the full story here before, and as you can imagine every thread made is fricking nuked from orbit as quickly as possible in showdown and smogon.
https://archive.alice.al/vp/thread/48355929/#48369259
>as you can imagine every thread made is fricking nuked from orbit as quickly as possible in showdown and smogon.
By Jove, I knew smogays sucked but I didn't know they had some Nigerian level corruption
How the hell does that even happen with a community centered around a kids rpg game
>Being rhetorical, because I know EXACTLY why and how
It is also expected and the likely reason they favor a stall game, because they can approach children easier
It has all been a prank, smegma is as bad as you can expect
Yeah, after absorbing all this I am 99% sure every single ban and other such decisions are all rigged and are entirely personal decisions, the player base be damned
How would making the game more boring make it easier to approach children?
chat with them while boring shit happens between turns
Wouldn't that just make kids not want to play?
You underestimate the pull e-celebs have on their audience especially kids. /vp/ should make it's own "fanfic" meta.
It’s simple.
>refuse to ban obviously overpowered pokemon like Toxapex because they contribute to a stall meta.
>Stall obviously leads to longer games. Taken from the perspective of a smogon pedophile, this means more time to groom your opponent. More turns of Toxapex switching to Slowking and then switching to Ferrothorn means more turns you can use to spam your discord server in the chat.
>Smogon bans powerful, yet balanced Pokémon like Kyerum simply because they destroy stall. Little Jimmy or Little Sally is less likely to get groomed when he/she 6-0s your shitty stall team with Kyerum (Kyerum singlehandedly shits on stall and is just good against other teamstyles)
which makes one wonder why they banned funbro, the epitome of stall
>Ferrothorn
>stall
Stopped reading there
>Ferrothorn
>not stall
DURRRRRRR HURR HURRRR
Find me a single stall team that uses Ferrothorn
Ferrothorn is not stall you homosexual piece of shit.
It can absolutely be used in stall teams but it's mainly used by everyone really
>Ferro
>Stall
Stall dese nuts in your mouth, dumbass
Ferrothorn is ass in stall because it has no direct healing, it's a bulky offense mon.
Yeah, but anything with more defense than Lucario is stall. Lando-T? Stall. Ferrothorn? Stall. Garchomp? Stall.
>bulky offense
Yes. Stall.
You can define as many subcategories of stall as you want, but they're all still stall.
>Ferrothorn
It was a cool unique Niche mon back in Gen 5 and 6,7 due to its few weaknesses and made folks seethe every now and then but now its kinda outclassed, since gamefreak stopped caring and didn't wanna give it a proper recovery move, so its more of a suicide lead semi offense/stall mon plus Magnezone rapes it too
>Wanting a Ferrothorn with Recover/Slack Off tier recovery
>Spreading lies about Ferrothorn's use in the past
Black person why?
Ferrothorn was never niche, anon.
It was one of the best gen 5 mons from the very beginning.
It was better in Uber than a lot of actual Uber mons.
>niche,
I meant in the context of being able to slap on any team and nowadays it does struggle since it doesn't have any recovery moves, it has to leech seed usually
This is insane smogon hyperbole gayging, I don't think thats bannable to an extent, you don't know what new Gen 9 mons that can wall lecki 2. even then its not a big deal, you would have to show me a replay where it rekts a whole stall team and casual hyper offensive/semi stall team
>Bulky Offense
>Stall
Anon, BO is on the Offensive side of the spectrum of teams.
So this is the brainpower of the average anti-stallgay. So deluded they think everything that isn't frail hyper offense is just stall.
>morons dont know about leftovers + leech seed
PLAY THE GAME
*Switches out*
Psssh, nothin personnel, nut
>moron doesn't know about switching out
obviously leads to longer games. Taken from the perspective of a smogon pedophile, this means more time to groom your opponent.
bans powerful, yet balanced Pokémon like Kyerum simply because they destroy stall. Little Jimmy or Little Sally is less likely to get groomed when he/she 6-0s your shitty stall team with Kyerum
How do you even reach to the point where you think stall leads to grooming
I think he just wants to turn a playstyle he doesn't like into a boogeyman, regardless of any logic.
Smogon being full of groomers is horrific, but acting like it has any connection to stall is complete schizoposting.
It doesn’t even make any sense either.
These mods don’t just chat with minors when they are in battles. There are private messages they can do as long as they want on Showdown or Discord.
>Toxapex
>overpowered
lol the only overpowered mons in OU are Regieleki and Tornadus-Therian
Toxapex is kinda ass, people use it more by habit than anything
>Tornadus-T
>overpowered
???
Regieleki spent a large chunk of its life in UU because it sucks ass in OU. Too many Ground types and Zeraora for it to be effective. It's mainly just a Rapid Spinner, and it competes with Excadrill for that role.
>Doesn't think Toxapex is op
>But thinks Regieleki is
He probably uses Toxapex and Corv cores and gets blown to bits by Regieleki because he's too angry at Lando to use him.
>lol the only overpowered mons in OU are Regieleki and Tornadus-Therian
Tornadus is not even the best -Therian in the tier
He's better than Lando for sure, and Thundurus isn't even in the running due to no moves syndrome, but he's not overpowered. Having to rely on whacky Hurricane accuracy for a decent STAB move is atrocious. Thundurus at least gets Volt Switch and Lando gets EQ.
It's great anti-rain tech though.
>He's better than Lando for sure
You should just git gud
Nice 4x4s, but Tornadus is really good. It's the supreme utility 'mon of the tier and can threaten a sweep under certain conditions.
if Regielecki got Weather Ball just alone it can be viable but its so movepool limited
Terrain Pulse would be interesting on it. It'd be very good support alongside Fini or Lele. A 100 bp Fairy move would allow it to bust down Garchomp, one of its biggest opponents.
I agree but water type weather ball would be more potent but im fine with both moves being slapped on including some elemental attacks like energy ball and Ice cream
*Ice Beam
Ice/Electric coverage on Regieleki might be too strong. Basically only Magnezone could safely switch in on it.
It'd be fine, nothing wrong with the idea, people will just make teams around it, plus regielecki would need to run Specs instead of life orb since rocks at its feet will wear it down and it needs a strong item like specs to help it KO most mons
Regieleki would be overpowered with Weather Ball.
Regieleki is probably the most precarious mon in OU. Even the tiniest buff can see it getting banned to Uber, but even the tiniest nerf can see it dropping to UU.
That speed is so insane that Regieleki pretty much becomes the best at anything it does, but that movepool is so shit that Regieleki can barely do anything.
>taken from the perspective of a smogon pedophile, this means more time to groom your opponent.
Holy frickING SHIT
How have I NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE?
IT ALL MAKES SENSE.....!
Cringe
t. groomer who just got outed
Groom my nuts, autist
get help groomer
take your meds
>Actually thinks that Smogon favors stall
>Actually thinks that Smogon does so because of some secret cabal of groomers who run the website
>Actually thinks said secretive groomers favor stall because it somehow lets them groom better
Seek oblivion.
It was literally one guy using a bot and he got permabanned for it.
Even the dude in the video admits cheating on Smogon tourney is pretty common
He said it was more common back in the day, and that over time it became taboo. Or rather, what was considered cheating changed, and actions like ghosting weren't considered normal anymore.
>and that over time it became taboo. Or rather, what was considered cheating changed, and actions like ghosting weren't considered normal anymore.
That won't stop them from doing it
They can't anymore. Tourney players now use the /ionext command to disable spectating in their next match from the start unless invited into the match.
Not in the same way at least. Will find new cheats to use, or just bribe people to leak the teams.
Hes the only one getting caught. Doesnt mean hes the only one cheating
yeah ghosting and in-game coaching is cheating but this is hardly new information, people have been ghosting in tour for years and years
is this supposed to be some sort of OMG SMOGGIES EXPOSED gotcha so /vp/tards have an excuse to circlejerk about a format they dont even play
This was from years ago lol, don't drag BKC through the mud in your baitposting
Wolfey is the VGC World Champ and he's already been exposed as a cheater
And yet nobody seems to care except you, Verlisify. I wonder if that's because you have a well-deserved reputation as a hypocrite and a liar?
>NOBODY CAN HATE SHITTY CORRUPT SHIT IN THE VGC, THEY ARE ALL VERLIS BECAUSE I SAY SO
have a nice day, homosexual
cope, Wolfey is a cheater
That guy already ruined his reputation he’s damaged goods.
for how long have you guys been living under a rock? competitive players have been doing this for over a decade and everyone knows about it
>I haven't watched the video: The Posts
Why should I watch something that I already knew, moron? Do you think he is being 100% honest in here?
BKC and other homosexuals have been always doing these ever since 2011, morons
t. smogonGOD circa 2010~2014
everything returns to ashes
>People still don't know about the Mazar bot
smogoff
>it happened years ago therefore it's OK
zoomer cope
Using lando t in OU is already cheating, but everyone does it. Fanfic meta for a reason
Just disband Smogon already. It's not needed.
So what was the bot or the program called to scout which moves the opponent is about to use so you will always have the perfect strategy against what the opponent does?
take meds
Thats why nobody takes online ”””competitive tournaments””” seriously
get good and start playing VGC
Everyone who actually plays VGC cheats, moron.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kaphotics
Gen doens't count if the mons are legal
They're legal, sure, but they're still poorly genned. If GF were competent they would catch the same genning mistakes Pkhex does and ban 95% of vgc players
As long they are legal I don't think some wrong bits matter.
Sure, but cheating is cheating. If you want to condemn Smogon for some cheaters, you also have to condemn VGC
Cheating to gain an unfair advantage is not the same as cheating to get legal stuff faster.
You're still using resources that are not available to everyone, in an official competitive format on top of that. Not everyone has the time to grind bottlecaps or SR for good IVs and natures
>resources that are not available to everyone
How
You need to have a hacked switch to use Pkhex, and most switches cant be hacked
Your fault for not buying the right switch I guess. If you wanted to play competitive mon you probably knew about the grind.
You can still easily have someone else gen the pokemon for you and just trade for them.
That too.
Personally I only use PkHex specifically to skip the IV/EV/Nature grind, while still obtaining the mon with the desired ability/moves legally.
if you don't have the means or intelligence to get genned Pokémon you weren't going to win anyway
I think you mean money. Genning pokemon is brainlessly easy, and yet VGC players still frick it up
it's not even expensive???? I mean you're right about the VGC guys doing it wrong tho
250+ for a non-patched switch is quite
a bit of money. Could also pay someone to gen it for you I guess but that would also start to add up
I know guys that do it for free but it's on a forum that isn't GameFaqs or anyone you've heard of unless you're Canadian. Also 250$ isn't much unless you're a typical anon. I mean I don't even make very much and I can afford it. I mean I guess most of Ganker is poorgays but I digress.
Competitive battling died in 2012. Nowadays "players" literally brag about counterteaming their opponents, cheating in order to achieve that is simply the next logical step
The reason why this happens seems to be the same as the one behind cheating in speedrunning circles: it's not that people can't reach the level of play they want to, it's just that they don't want to put the effort any longer because they feel the amount of effort they've already spent should be enough, and now they are "entitled" to win. It's literally emotional immaturity.
>One guy cheats
>This reflects on the entire community
So does DeflateGate reflect on all of the NFL or one team?
>trying to cheat and bribe your way to victory over a children's game with evasion/critical hit mechanics
This series has ruined generations of men
The Pokemon that mindbroke /vp/. Kneel.
Smogon did nothing wrong
Rather than buffing Regieleki, why not buff the other Regis so they're close to being as good as Eleki is?
The other Regis aren't weak, its just because gamefreak was moronic and made them all have the same defensive niche and they never offered to give them recovery moves
The other Regis are pathetically weak. Only Registeel has any sort of use. You can't even say it's Smogon's fault for putting them in lower tiers - the Regis are unusable in VGC, too.
>252+ SpA Life Orb Regieleki Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Hippowdon: 278-330 (66.1 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ SpA Life Orb Regieleki Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 530-629 (148.4 - 176.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ SpA Life Orb Regieleki Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Nidoking: 294-348 (97 - 114.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
>252+ SpA Life Orb Regieleki Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 562-665 (147.1 - 174%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The only high tier Ground-types that could switch into Eleki with any reliability are Swampert and Mamoswine (with Thick Fat). Eleki doesn't care if it gets chip from LO and SR since it can spin away SR and can blast through almost everything with just LO boosted BoltBeam. Even max SpD invested Clefable gets reliably 2HKO'd by LO Eleki
>252+ SpA Life Orb Transistor Regieleki Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 203-239 (51.5 - 60.6%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
There is 0 chance of Regieleki with Ice Beam (or Weather Ball - Ice) being balanced.
So are you saying that Smogon would be moronic enough to send lecki to Ubers?? cause knowing smogon I wouldn't be surprised "cough cough greninja" and also you don't know what mons that can hard counter it and other glass cannons in gen 9
In regards to the other regis I wouldn't shit on them cause they came first its not their fault gamefreak just thought of them as elemental colossuses, nothing more and nothing more then they realized they could make other regis 5 gens later that were more viable
>moronic
Anon, Smogon would be more than justified to send Regieleki to ubers. The only things that could threaten it would be
>Rillaboom
>Bisharp
>Mamoswine
>Swampert
>Magnezone
>Hawlucha (unburdened)
>Barraskewda (hydrated)
I still it still depends, I don't think that's Uber sendable by your terminolgy what about things like Blissey or Chansey??? people were crying for megas to be banned back in 6 and they didn't ban it while dynamax was, like if species clause didn't exist then it'd be more of a problem cause people could run one Life orb lecki and another specs lecki or be able to swap between sets making a game more fricky but one lecki can be chipped down and it won't last on the field too long, players aren't moronic anon
Blissey and Chansey can be easily overcome by any physical attacker, or easily defeated by keeping momentum and never giving them a chance to heal. BoltBeam Regieleki would be different. It would be stronger than Pheromosa, faster than Pheromosa, and bulkier than Pheromosa. With almost perfect coverage, the inability to answer defensively, and a speed stat so high that only priority and a handful of rare Pokemon are capable of outspeeding it.
There's no way it wouldn't be Ubers. Spectrier got its ass banned for far less. If Normal types were as good an as common as Ground types in the higher tiers, Spectrier would still probably be around since it'd have actual checks. Regieleki with BoltBeam coverage would have few real checks, and only 1 actual counter (Mamoswine).
Inability to be answered defensively*
Ferrothorn can check it, kinda, and while your making alot of sense this is huge hyperbole, I would have to see a hypothetical actual fight where Regielecki would sweep the casual OU gay team like a stall heavy team and an experienced player
Ferro could eat 2 hits if it's SpD, which isn't great considering it has no reliable recovery and could just by Volt Switched on. Even in the best case scenario where you lose no Pokemon to Regieleki due to pivoting around it and waiting it out, most of your team is now within KO range of whatever the opponent has in the back.
It's not hyperbolic to say that something that hits insanely hard with its Electric-STAB to the point where it outdamages Gen 5 Draco Meteor coming from Latis and Hydreigon would be absurdly busted with the ability to OHKO the only things that can switch in safely.
>252+ SpA Life Orb Transistor Regieleki Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 148 SpD Mew: 227-269 (56.3 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 148 SpD Mew: 198-234 (49 - 57.9%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Eleki's Tbolts are as powerful as Draco Meteors from Latios with no downside. The strongest type in the game was created just to nerf Latios and Hydreigon for dropping dracos.
Fair points, I just wanted to have a fun discussion about competitive mons since I haven't played it in forever
Fair enough, but I think giving Regieleki Ice is just beyond the pale. Terrain Pulse is far more reasonable, since terrains aren't nearly as strong as weathers, and Fairy/Psychic/Grass aren't as disgustingly good coverage options.
Also, just think about the turmoil VGC would be in if Regieleki had perfect coverage. It's already the 7th most used Pokemon in VGC, and it shits on even Sword Dog. The only thing keeping it in line is Dynamax doubling HP and doing very little to help Eleki itself. Take away DMax for Gen 9 and give it BoltBeam and VGC would be seething.
I gotcha 200%, but I vouch for giving it things like Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, maybe Dazzling Gleam cause its made out of fricking energy, maybe Ice Beam is too much, and Weather Ball is where sky's the limit cause im thinking singles 6v6 but yea, I never knew doubles metagames are so fricking different holy shit lol
>Spectrier
It got banned because of its moronic ability that boosted its special attack when it KO'd a mon and its high speed tier this issue with Regieleki It didn't have that brutality spectrier had and the viable ability to boost its special attack while still being strong enough to come and kill switchins, with regieleki it has a lower SP attack and a less strong defense Spectrier was like 145... SP attack and 8 SP Def
80 Sp def My bad typo
>people were crying for megas to be banned back in 6 and they didn't ban it while dynamax was
They banned a lot of megas, anon. Only the ones that were actually a problem, though.
Dynamax applies to every Pokemon and can't be banned in the same way without shit getting convoluted.
They only banned the Megas that broke stall though, and allowed for better hyper offense metagame when things became too stallish and cheap so they got rid of sableye at the last moment, so honestly it wouldn't really matter I see it as objective on what Mega is truly overpowered and busted, like if you gave X mega ONE MOVE and then it can be Ubers look at Mega Alakazam, OU for like 3+ Gens and then Nasty Plot and poof, same thing with Mega Blastoise and it was even lower, almost NU,
They banned the one stall mega though
1. Most of those Megas broke almost every team, more often HO, and often didn’t break Stall because Stall has ways of stopping those Megas.
2. If they wanted to ban Pokemon too good for Stall AND only broken against Stall, Pokemon like Gliscor and Alakazam (especially after it getting Nasty Plot) would be banned.
3. They banned Pokemon like Dugtrio and Mega Sableye. The former being used primarily on Stall teams to eliminate wallbreakers and the latter being too good at keeping off Hazards.
I mean most Hyper Offense Megas can be stopped by stall or Lando T Intimidate spam Gen 7 shows this
Hey moron im not spreading lies,
>They only banned the Megas that broke stall though
At the tail end of the generation literally when the new meta was like two weeks away, Not exactly a good example to point towards.
So the issue is that Smogon doesn't ban enough or fast enough then?
The problem is that Smogon should ban the things I don't like immediately and never ban the things I do like.
They should've come to me personally and let me be the arbiter of what is and isn't fair game.
Not to mention all those priority users and Lucha/Skewda can't switch into Regieleki and need to come in on a sack.
I know it's a meme but I legitimately believe you just don't play the game if you can't understand why a Pokemon with 200 speed, 100 special attack, a great ability, and near-perfect coverage would be broken. It'd be more busted than Cinderace, Magearna, Spectrier, Kyruem, even fricking Genesect.
But they don't have shells.
Yes they do. They can smash their outer shells and reveal the Regi-manlet inside.
It was broken early on then it became more easy to counter due to its limited movepool and people built around it and ran cancerous T and Chomp
Registeel with recovery would probably be a UU staple. Regice even with Ice being defensively terrible could probably shake out a niche in RU or something, it'd just be like shittier version of Blissey, effectively being able to completely wall any special attacker without super effective STAB. Boltbeam coverage and decent special attack means it can also hit pretty hard back.
+2 252 SpA Togekiss Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Regice: 160-190 (43.9 - 52.1%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Regice: 70-84 (19.2 - 23%) -- possible 5HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Regice: 112-133 (30.7 - 36.5%) -- 50% chance to 3HKO
Regirock would get banned from PU but probably suck ass in NU. Unlike Regice the weaknesses are a lot more relevant for the role its trying to fulfill because strong physical Rock weaknesses are omnipresent whereas strong special Ice weaknesses are comparatively rare.
252+ Atk Guts Machamp Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regirock: 278-330 (76.3 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Silvally-Ground Multi-Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regirock: 272-324 (74.7 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regirock: 242-283 (66.4 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Shell Smash would also be great for Regice and Regirock. Regirock and Regice having the ability to sweep would be a powerful buff to them. Regice would probably land in UU with shell smash, and Regirock might be able to make it to RU, though likely just NUBL.
If they can't be used for the thing they're meant to be used for, I'd say that makes them weak.
>competitive pokemon
>smogon thread
>morons below 1500, even 1200 fill the thread with their "opinions" about which mon is le broken
>people who hate on competitive because they are genuinely idiots and can't understand it
>drama about some pedo from 7 years ago
>drama about verlisify
>drama about wolfe glick
>vgctards trolling and baiting even when unprompted
Stop Cheating.
>b-but it takes to much t-
Stop cheating
>b-BUT ITS TOTALLY OK T-
STOP CHEATING.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
COPE
>REEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
SMOGONtroony COPE
>Researching your opponent is.... LE CHEATING
I can't think of a single "competitive" scene as pathetic. Compared to card games, which is the closest you can really get to Pokémon, this is perfectly acceptable behaviour. Learning your opponents deck/probable deck pre-tournament is what separates people who win an their local gameshop and people who win at regionals. This is expected and done in every esport and real sport in the world.
Erhhmm?!! Excuse me?
Please post your elo
stall is for gr00ming
My elo is 1337
>using a bot to get your opponent's team to build around it is.. NOT LE CHEATING!!
Yes, using a bot to record public matches is not cheating. You're acting like he was hacking into their accounts and physically stealing the teams. The argument that watching your opponents public matches is somehow cheating is on the same calibre of stupidity as saying a boxer watching his opponent's last fight is also cheating because it "gives their strategy away"
Ultimately this is a case of Smogtards seething because a guy who was not considered a top player was able to beat them via actual competitive strategy. /ionext should have always been a feature and it's absence implies, no, outright confirms that all matches are public and anybody is welcome to watch them. Mazar literally did nothing wrong.
t. Mazar
Again, Pokemon is different. Unless you count Zacian or Gen 1 Mewtwo, every Pokemon has a counter. There's always something you can bring to hardcounter your opponent.
Anon, if you record your opponent’s team, that gives you a huge advantage since you find out everything about your opponent’s team to directly make a counter team or modify your own team.
Listen, Pokemon isn't like other comp games. Pokemon has actual hard counters to (most) Pokemon. If you know the set your opponent is bringing, you can easily just counter their entire team. It's not like you have to use the same team for the whole tourney, either, so you can handcraft teams to counter each of your opponents.
One guy is bringing Rain? Just bring a bunch of Storm Drain/Water Absorb/Dry Skin 'mons and another weather setter. One guy is bringing stall? Make your entire team out of wallbreakers and stallbreakers like Gliscor, Nidoking, Blacephalon, and Xurkitree. One guy is bringing hyper offense? Just copy the stall guy's team
>Listen, Pokemon isn't like other comp games. Pokemon has actual hard counters to (most) Pokemon. If you know the set your opponent is bringing, you can easily just counter their entire team.
I'm not disagreeing with you but that doesn't magically make watching public matches cheating.
In the nicest way I can possibly put this, your "argument" is just
>It's unfair because I revealed too much information
If you can't tell the difference between watching a future opponents public matches and looking at their hand mid game then I'm afraid you might have been dropped as a child.
Huge advantage=/=cheating. Don't want people to see your team for an upcoming tournament? Don't use it publicly, it's really that simple. There's a reason pro fighters don't post intimate details of their camp.
>Huge advantage=/=cheating. Don't want people to see your team for an upcoming tournament? Don't use it publicly
Anon, they do this in Tournaments you fricking moron. You can’t just hide your team during a tournament.
That was until they made it possible to make games private (because of all the cheating).
Do you have brain damage or something?
You are so moronic you don't even understand the argument at hand
>They do this in tournaments
There is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at what other players are doing in a tournament. In fact, you'd be moronic not too. If your brain dead argument is supposed to be "B-b-but you shouldn't know any of my Pokémon" then just use a different team other than the one you've been publicly using. It's really that fricking simple you utter fricking mong. Do you have down syndrome?
I point you back to my first comment
This is what smogtards actually believe. No wonder nobody takes your fanfic meta seriously. You're all a bunch of babies shitting your collective diaper at the mere thought of having to adapt to a competitive environment.
The disagreement here clearly isn't what you think, or rather what a seething smogtard eceleb told you to think, it is. Watching public games is not illicit. The only reason this is "cheating" is because a "bad player" from a bad team did it and made the more established players look like complete shitters in the process, the very same players who run are friends with the groomers who run smogon. If anyone is guilty of "cheating", it's smogon for having the games be public by default.
There's something I am missing here. How does the cheater know which teams will be used by his opponents? Are they using their main account to test them? Why not an alt? If his opponents are using the main account to test, doesn't that just mean I can join by simply typing their name? Don't even need a bot for it.
Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean it's not cheating. And they were literally testing the teams they were about to use for the match, you moron.
If you publicly display your team you have no right to cry about people seeing it. What part of that don't you understand?
The part where it's still cheating. If I leave the door to my house unlocked and somebody steals my shit, he is still a thief. You could say I'm dumb for it but that doesn't make the thief innocent.
The real question here is how could Mazar identify his opponents, it's certainly very dumb to test your teams with the same account you would use for the tournament because anyone can easily follow you with guest accounts.
Your house is still private property so that analogy is stupid. A more apt comparison would be a boxer holding their training camp in the local park and then complaining when their opponent shows up to study their strengths and weaknesses.
>Your house is still private property so that analogy is stupid.
If everyone can enter then it's not so private anymore and everything inside of it also belongs to me :^)
That's how you are unironically arguing here, Black person thief.
I just explained how it's different. In martial arts you don't become able to follow and hard counter everything your opponent does by just knowing their habits. Pokémon is mostly math instead, you just make sure the formula guarantees your win.
Are you actually fricking moronic? You can't build an uncounterable team, so if somebody is specifically prepared to deal with what you will use in the next match, you lose.
Shockingly enough, /vp/ has no idea how any of this works.
You clearly don't know what public and private mean and that's honestly a little bit concerning. Either that or you're so mindfrickingly stupid that you've completely inverted the point I've made.
>Are you actually fricking moronic?
I'd ask you the same but I already know the answer.
>You can't build an uncounterable team
Yeah, I know. Please show me where I said you could. If you PUBLICLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR TEAM don't act surprised if someone takes note and counters you. I had to put that in caps because you're clearly too much of a knuckledragging IQ vacuum to have noticed it in literally any of my other posts.
>Shockingly enough, /vp/ has no idea how any of this works.
Surprisingly, I agree with you, just not in the way you'd like.
My point was that just because you are allowed to join a public match that doesn't make it not cheating if you are using this knowledge to cteam somebody in a tourney. Much like entering somebody's house and taking their stuff isn't a crime if the owner tells you that you are allowed to do so.
>If you PUBLICLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR TEAM don't act surprised if someone takes note and counters you
I will agree it's dumb because you could at very least use an alt to hide your identity but that doesn't mean the Mazar fellow isn't cheating.
What is even your argument here? If somebody is dumb and gets taken advantage of, that doesn't mean the one exploiting them is innocent.
>My point was that just because you are allowed to join a public match that doesn't make it not cheating if you are using this knowledge to cteam somebody in a tourney
Yes it does.
>entering somebody's house and taking their stuff isn't a crime if the owner tells you that you are allowed to do so
Yeah no shit that isn't a crime. You're all over the place with this analogy, it changes from post to post.
>I will agree it's dumb because you could at very least use an alt to hide your identity but that doesn't mean the Mazar fellow isn't cheating.
Yeah, it does. Stop coping.
>If somebody is dumb and gets taken advantage of, that doesn't mean the one exploiting them is innocent
In a competition it does. This is exactly what I meant about smoglets being unable to handle actual competition. Smogon tournaments are entirely driven by cliques which is why Mazar was screwed over in the way he was.
>The only argument that could be made in favor of cteaming is that happening because you guessed correctly what the opponent is going to bring against you, and that's their fault for being so predicable.
And how does one go about making a reliable prediction if not by looking at what teams their opponents are running? You literally cannot make a prediction without prior knowledge, that's just guessing. It's not like there was a 100% guarantee they'd even use the team he scouted anyway.
>You're all over the place with this analogy, it changes from post to post.
Maybe because you don't have the brainpower to follow it. In the example of the house, you have a situation where you can enter and take somebody's else stuff and it could be a crime or not depending on whether you have permission. If you don't it's still theft, and if you do it isn't - which means even if normally spectating a match isn't cheating, in this case you can easily argue it was. It helps that the reason for why it happens is a bot joining Uber matches before you can lock them, a flaw in the software that was corrected later with a command to keep rooms invite only.
The rest of your post is too miserable to even answer. If oppos were found out easily they are certainly dumb and nobody is arguing otherwise, but Mazar is still cheating.
> that's just guessing.
Still going to call you an utter moron. I literally typed "guessed" myself.
Yeah, but contestants want to test their next team in advance. Now if somebody recorded your matches they would know the team you are going to use against them, and they get to cteam you.
Don't Smogon tournaments let you change your team every battle?
If they're worried about being spied on, just use more than one team, or even make a different team for each battle.
The bot joins basically all the games on showdown. Some opponents will be using mains and therefore be easy to identify, but if thy are using alts Mazar actually has to do process of elimination to find out who they are. He wasn't using the bot for CG OU. There are so few players on high ladder outside of CG OU that he can easily figure out who is who. Especially with a few weeks of data prior to him switching to ubers and using the bot (you can see what ppl brought to tour and see if anyone on ladder was using that team- then you know its their alt).
Using a bot to record unhidden public games is no different than if mazar just decided to throw away his irl obligations and watch the games/review replays himself on a huge scale. In martial arts/combat sports its pretty common to parse through camera footage of your opponents that is recorded by someone other than yourself to learn their tendencies. In other esports like LOL and DOTA teams even hire professional analysts and use 3rd party software to do it. Its really an anomaly that it's considered cheating only in mons. So I agree with
. Smogon is just salty.
>Its really an anomaly that it's considered cheating only in mons. So I agree with
>They do this in tournaments
There is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at what other players are doing in a tournament. In fact, you'd be moronic not too. If your brain dead argument is supposed to be "B-b-but you shouldn't know any of my Pokémon" then just use a different team other than the one you've been publicly using. It's really that fricking simple you utter fricking mong. Do you have down syndrome?
I point you back to my first comment[...]
This is what smogtards actually believe. No wonder nobody takes your fanfic meta seriously. You're all a bunch of babies shitting your collective diaper at the mere thought of having to adapt to a competitive environment.
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The disagreement here clearly isn't what you think, or rather what a seething smogtard eceleb told you to think, it is. Watching public games is not illicit. The only reason this is "cheating" is because a "bad player" from a bad team did it and made the more established players look like complete shitters in the process, the very same players who run are friends with the groomers who run smogon. If anyone is guilty of "cheating", it's smogon for having the games be public by default.. Smogon is just salty.
Non-sequitur. Pokemon works differently so different rules also apply. Learning an oppnent's team in advance enables you to hard counter them and there is really nothing they can do to stop a team handcrafted to deal with everything they have.
How is it different?
How is this even an enforceable rule?
>there is really nothing they can do to stop a team handcrafted to deal with everything they have.
Teambuilding is 90% of the skill in pokemon. If your team is completely countered, it's your fault. Mazar wasn't using a keylogger or trojan horse to "steal" information on their teams, he just watched their publicly available matches of them using their teams via Showdown's site features working as intended. What Mazar did was functionally no different than watching a boxer train in the park.
Learning what your opponent is bringing through illicit means and handcrafting a team to counter theirs is cheating. No buts about it.
Battles are public and you can change your team every battle in a tournament.
Your opponent can also look at your team.
>Looking at my opponent’s hands is….LE CHEATING
The thing is the games he used the bot to spy in were private, however they could only be made private AFTER the game already started meaning that the bot could get in before the game was privated, which is why there is now a command to make your next game automatically private to prevent that, and also part of the reason why this didnt work in OU.
Also please tell me how is bringing a double kick, taunt, toxic terrakion in ubers, to specifically counter your opponents smeargle in any way not taking advantage of specific information to gain a huge advantage, or how is knowing specifically that your opponents pdon doesnt have stone edge making it walled by ho-oh, when you didnt even scout it with an overall better wall like lugia beforehand allowing you to keep it healthy for the lucario which somehow magically you knew had stone edge which was otherwise a rather niche option.
This isnt like scouting your opponents training sessions and making a gameplan around your opponents tendencies, people on smogon tournaments literally do that, both in teambuilder and in gameplay, but rather this is like getting your opponents teamsheet/gameplan a week in advance and being able to rehearse a perfect counter strategy in sports.
That's also a thing. It's not like the opponents wanted to reveal their teams in the first place.
It would be a very different story if I literally showed my teams to everyone in the tourney and then acted surprised when everyone builds a counter, that would make it questionable at best, even if you could still play fair and not build around it.
>this is like getting your opponents teamsheet/gameplan a week in advance and being able to rehearse a perfect counter strategy in sports
Even worse, because Pokémon removes the execution barrier.
The only argument that could be made in favor of cteaming is that happening because you guessed correctly what the opponent is going to bring against you, and that's their fault for being so predicable.