SMTV Vengeance

Do NOT frick the demons.

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    frick you i won't do what ya tell me

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Anon was found dead inside his home, torn to shreds

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        well im gonna pierce her defense

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mom?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can't believe even Atlus is hiring Debra Wilson these days.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh shit i just realized this is the room where we're supposed to fight Loup-Garou

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can't believe Atlus made a collaboration with SHAFT.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >With a smile on his face

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I noticed how Atlus has became based ass men over the years.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sadly not the Persona team

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Nahobino
    >John Nocturne
    >Dadga
    >Alice
    yea I'm thinking I'm going to end the cycle of death and rebirth today

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw buying the game again full price plus Dagda DLC

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want hat lady to step on me...

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      i want the blond one to join my team

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      With her bone feet?

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the first time this design was turned into 3D?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was in Raidou 2

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        He was in Raidou and Imagine.
        So far none of the returning demons have new models and they are reusing them from imagine and sh2. It's a nice thing that they are using the ones from SH2 but the ones that are older look like shit.

        You're thinking of Ophanim. His design is similar, but it's not the same model.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, you are right, my bad. I was sure he was in Nine or something, but maybe he is one of the few new demon models.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My homie Gogmagog is in
            LET'S FRICKING GOOO

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, so Unicorn is in. I always thought he was an odd omission from the original release, considering he was already in P5 prior.

            Here's where we're currently at, roster-wise

            New Demons
            >Lilith
            >(Rotted Blonde Goddess)
            >(Rotted Witch Goddess)
            >(Rotted Braid Goddess)
            >Glasya-Labolas
            >Nahohee-ho
            >Konohana Sakuya (DLC)

            Returning
            >Gogmagog
            >Karasu Tengu
            >Pellaidh
            >Tzitzimitl
            >Dormarth
            >Ifrit
            >Vritra
            >Cherub
            >Nezha Taizi
            >Armaiti
            >Gremlin
            >Turbo-Granny
            >Fenrir
            >Xiezhai
            >Dis
            >Kinmamon
            >Kudlak
            >Halphas
            >Vouivre
            >Unicorn
            >Dagda (DLC)

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Turbo Granny
              Nice. I always liked the Rumor demons. Maybe we'll get Reiko Kashima too.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Tzitzimitl
              >Armaiti
              >Halphas
              >Kinmamon
              >Gremlin
              >Fenrir
              I missed these in particular

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              The ones missing from Soul Hackers 2 would be:
              >Masakado
              >Kresnik
              >Hare of Inaba
              >Mad Gasser
              >Gurulu
              >Saturnus
              >Ardha
              The unlikely ones:
              >Doppelganger
              >The five frosts
              >Aiho

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was in Raidou and Imagine.
      So far none of the returning demons have new models and they are reusing them from imagine and sh2. It's a nice thing that they are using the ones from SH2 but the ones that are older look like shit.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy, they added a Maiden. Again.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sweet , I guess I'll buy it now

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Shin Megami Tensei
      >Reincarnation of the true goddess
      >Every time a game "reincarnates" they add a "goddess"
      Bravo Atlus.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I stood up and started clapping

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Switch exclusive

    Why?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because the numbered SMT's have usually been on Nintendo stuff. Now if you want to play VV, you're in luck because it's multiplat.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vengeance isn't though, it's coming to PS/Xbox/PC/Switch

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stop pretending to be moronic.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's not exclusive though

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >comes out same day as elden ring DLC
    could they pick a worse release date?

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Which re-release girl would you frick?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      P3P femc

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rin.
      No, I will not take any questions or comments.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      tbh 2 one.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fricking Yamato in drag
        embarrassing

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am so fricking happy best SMT didn't suffer from this catastrophe

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not Nocturne.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        SMT2 already has a built-in mommywife. There wouldn't be much of a point.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >get a wife specially created for him
          >she dies
          >get a waifu who is your fricking BIRTH mother to join you instead
          It will never not be based

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dante from devil may cry

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        basado

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Raidou.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      dante

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dicky the Ricky. Also does that mean EO is still fricked if Komori was on SMT5 and Vengeance all this time?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most likely. That said Komori isn't the only director EO has had post-Niinou. 4 had a different director for example but Atlus's projects during the 3DS days were smaller in scale and budget so they could get away with having multiple teams work on multiple projects.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah daisuke kanada but he works for p studio now kek
          Doesn't mean no one's left to direct it but it sure seems like most of the studio is now working on megaten in some form

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        EO is over. It's sad that i can't find any other games with EO feelings. No, not that raven game either.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is it really? The collection was a success

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            According to Sega themselves, the collection sold around 700k, which is more than every EO released before combined but was still considered disappointing.
            I'm not sure of the numbers but I know it was rather high, you'll need confirmation from someone else or the source which was Sega's quarterly report.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Just how much of a israelite do you have to be, to repackage old games, price them way too high, have them outsell the entire franchise up til then anyways, and STILL be disappointed!?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                ATLUS

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sega is the same company that made Hyenas anon, they aren't smart

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        More excited for the OST than anything. Kozuka is my Black.

        I can't believe EO is dead, again.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vengeance-chan is kinda cute

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where's my obligatory extra girl in tbh1 re-release?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sumi

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rin.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Rin counts then so does best boy.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Waiting for one re-release to break the cycle. Catherine's doesn't count.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I will have to assume you are correct because I still haven't played devil survivor.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You should it's the best game.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      EO1 or DS2

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the clusterfrick that P4Rebroadcast featuring a SECOND marie extended semester will be

      99% chance they will do it, which will go to 100% after episode aigis gets re-released with another metis, its been their decades old bread and butter to justify the re-release of every product they ever made.
      never buy the first release of an atlus game

      I am so fricking happy best SMT didn't suffer from this catastrophe

      >implying a remake of smt2 wouldn't go through the same thing, if smt ever reached persona numbers
      kek

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      why do they do this trope, waifubait aside?
      and kasumi, femc, and aigis are getting wifed up. i'm conflicted on marie because her outfit is very sexy but she's very annoying

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Re-releasing games is actually pretty common for japanese companies, Atlus just puts more effort into it and hasn't stopped

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean specifically doing the trope where they add a new female in the rerelease and devote the entire marketing and new story to her

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the success of featuring dante

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Dante was the original Atlus rerelease waifu

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know why it's always a female outside of Dante, but they are mainly there to signal as an introduction to the new story content.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          God I hope they put more dumb-shit demon conversations in.
          The demons in 5 are such shitheads, its great.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no SMT 4 / SMT 4 Apoc port to PC / consoles

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      just emulate with the HD texture pack
      apparently Cemu is fixing the transparency issues

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just hope it won't have denuvo.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the ugliest one has the biggest breasts
    What did they mean by this

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leaked new Maria redesign to go along with the new Lilith

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Had a fantastic time playing P3R via Steam Deck OLED and PC
    >Gonna get another fantastic experience in 4 months
    FEELING SO GOOD RIGHT NOW

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    667881552
    >

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're supposed to put a controversial and dumb take, not an objectively right one

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The first two exist, you know?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not when Soul Hackers exists.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doi's designs are really starting to bore me.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna frick the witch with skeleton limbs and you can't stop me

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    > showcasing things like 40+ new demons
    HEAR ME OUT

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      massively overrated

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine being a homosexual

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you imagine being gay? You already are nemi sis.

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    All of them are surprisingly unfrickable which is weird because Doi has plenty of great designs

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're too busy. They'd easily be sex if their designs were simplified.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That could be it. Nuwa has a simple design and she is peak frickable.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >unfrickable
      don't need to announce you're gay to the whole thread, anon

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        My friend, if your standards are that low then I suspect that no strike zone is safe from your tastes.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >want to get hyped about cool potential demons they could add
    >realize all of my remaining favorites are Tyrants and Fallen, races that are already over-represented in V and unlikely to get any more, and get sad

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he wants to frick the shitty cultists from 3

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      FRICK

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hikawa proving himself the best end once again. Not only did he bring about conception to Tokyo but to your teacher as well

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn Hikawa got game

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >highschool girl npc at the start of the game notes how handsome he is.
        He sure is.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know its a joke, but if VV does push the Nocturne sequel angle more it could end up suggesting she is some sort of cult baby.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure that was the original intent for SMTV but it got scrapped and restarted. there are still alot of holdovers in the game that suggest it was meant to be a nocturne sequel.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So that is why your teacher was in the hospital all along, she was giving birth!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Both """parents""" have black hair
      >Girl has brown hair
      dumbass.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      She reminds me more of the if... FeMC

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        they have the same haircut just worn differently, when they finally showed shit from 5 and the school segments I thought we were gonna get SMT If... 2 since becoming a nahobino is the same as getting a guardian

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no fricking way Hikawa has ever gotten laid. The world wouldn't have ended if Baphomet helped him get any.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it a free update for people who already own the game?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      hahahahahahahahaha
      hahahahahahahahahah
      hahahahahahahahaha

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope, you gotta buy it again and start all over. But don't worry, you can transfer three (3!) demons from your save to Vengeance.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >free update
      >Atlus
      Come on anon, be honest. How old are you?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can add 3 demons from the base game to your compendium if you have SMT V save

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're all hags (the bad kind), so it's fine.

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is she coming back?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Awesome. She is staying in my team forever.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        wasn't she in the base game or am I tripping?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nope, her first appearance in 3D was SH2

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          She was in the Raidu VN, then Soul Hacker DS, then in SMT 4. She got a 3d form in Soul Hacker 2

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are not the only one. I have a memory of seeing her in the game. Maybe it was another cat lady.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nekomata?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Probably yeah

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I now need that tard protag from V as an edit for that iconic image of Tails in Tails gets Trolled.

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So is this gong to be a better version, or a censored demake? I have a switch and PC so I can play either version

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Obvious get the PC for the modding scene that would give you easy access to nude mods.

      >hags
      No thank you. Add more e-girl demons if you want me to buy this game again.

      You already have Alice, tengu feet, and brat. There isn't that many more e-girl demons unless you count the dozens of faries variants

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They can always add new ones.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They have still not brought back

        Do NOT frick the e-girls

        you want literally little girls? Take the fairies.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Obvious get the PC for the modding scene that would give you easy access to nude mods.

          [...]
          You already have Alice, tengu feet, and brat. There isn't that many more e-girl demons unless you count the dozens of faries variants

          Meant to say, they have not brought back Acheri.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's gonna include the base game as is and it's multiplat.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So is this gong to be a better version, or a censored demake?
      You have a mental illness.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fatlus just censored P3R, his concerns are legitimate.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus, you people are thin-skinned

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not seeing an argument here.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Because it's like arguing with a literal clown. sure, I'm gonna laugh, but I'm not gonna engage.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is not a remake to begin with, dumbass.
          If they censor Mermaid we will riot, however.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh troon joke
          homie they added a new anime cutscene just to show off the girls swimsuits and kept all the old coombait costumes

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            They censored pantsu too and those swimsuits are tame as frick compared to the eros of a pantsu wore by a JK in uniform.
            homosexual

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            nta but i care about censorship not coombait
            adding coombait doesn't undo the censorship

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Was that removed in the original too or just the translation?
            In that case it's once again mutts' fault.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Luckily even if they censor it mods will fix it. The censorship question determines if I pirate or pay.

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hags
    No thank you. Add more e-girl demons if you want me to buy this game again.

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What specifies a demon into a specific race?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      atlus' ass

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mythology, appearance, or shoehorning.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Alignment, mythology, and what races are present in the game

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't care about the new demon, I'm loyal to my wife Mermaid.

      Unironically atlus and/or the plot.
      Prime example are the kishin: most of them are demon killers and protectors in their mythos but are considered a chaotic race in SMT.

      • 3 months ago
        aceman

        >I'm loyal to my wife Mermaid.
        based

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          She ain't loyal to you though, cuck

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            ?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That said, their are some "guidelines" for some of them that are reoccurring and usually consistent thematically, shit like the Goetia Demons (like Ose) are generally gonna be Fallen (as in Fallen Angels) rather then Megami (Goddess) or Femme that are basically female only and Megami will generally be "better Femme" due consisting of more major godesses compared to femmes just being a melting pot of demons and mythical creatures that are female.

        That said shit is basically up to Atlus and the plot in the end, but generally if a demon sounds like it would fit the Race it will probably be that race unless another race available in the game is even more apt.

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    V has been on my backlog since launch but should I start it up right now? Looks like that new story splits off from the base game half way through.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The story in 5 sucks but gameplay is top notch. Especially since you can turn any demon to pretty much anything via stats, skills, etc.
      Been meaning to do a playthrough where I make the MC a healer.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Especially since you can turn any demon to pretty much anything via stats, skills, etc.
        Coming off of recently playing Nocturne and ADiA, this sounds good. I do tend to like making my MC a phys brute with light buffs.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I sure hope adding a New Girl like every other Altus game might actually spice up the story this time around. Base story is league better than 3.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The story isn't that much worse than most other megaten titles tbh. There's a lot of jarring whiplash moments for the alignment characters and baffling drop of a hat character changes in some arcs.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It depends on how resilient you are to replay choreness. I'd say you should rather just wait for vengeance and play on real hardware.

  30. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is Demi-Fiend Lucifer’s Nahobino?
    They use the same skills, Demi-Fiend became a demon when Lucy fed him the Magatama containing his demonic essence, and they share extremely similar ideals given Freedom Ending

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      More like Lucifer's wienersleeve

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lucy’s the one with a canon daughter and the one that likes to turn into a girl thoughever

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, Demifiend is Lucy's replacement like Beano is YHVH's replacement

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an entire different universe. Nahobinos just aren't a thing in the nocturne timeline.

  31. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Heh. Nothing personnel, Nahobino...

  32. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So are they going to fix shit like making Tao available for NG+?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope so, honestly even if she couldn't do NG+ my first run of V gave me fond memories of her and the fact we never got her "real" form makes me think she will probably get some shit for the inevitable bonus dungeon/area.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I get the impression that the new route will make you choose which girl to support. Better neutral vs sexier chaos.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >she will probably get some shit for the inevitable bonus dungeon/area.
        I wouldn't mind that. Honestly am a bit hung up on her because I dumped over 400 Sultras into her and like a fricking moron saved over my file after she left my party.

  33. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll finally play this once it is available on Steam, but i am really hoping that they'll make the story worthwhile. I already know that the original game sucked storywise but here is to hoping that the new route will change things around.

    It is sad but SMT will never top the first two games storywise. Those games managed to mix real world politics with real world esoteric while add cool Japanese techno punk edge. Just by shitting on Judaism it is miles ahead of everything you can play.
    They tried to redo the first two games with the IV duology making it almost a reserve situation, but the story in those games is beyond anime moronation.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      4 basically shit on Law/Chaos and Apoc made it worse that they're the worst option to boot.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that the first two games were trying to shit on both Japan and the US imperialism both at the same time, this by referencing real people and having a cool futuristic setting based on esoteric ideas.
        IV/IVA meanwhile try to play with the ideas of the first two games by adding twists, while going completely moronic with stupid anime troupes. The first one, IV, specially can't decide how the portray the Chaos alignment in relation to the Japanese nationalism to the point where in IVA they do a hard mea culpa which is just embarrassing. The story is all over the place.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah the anime trope of class struggle

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >she will probably get some shit for the inevitable bonus dungeon/area.
      I wouldn't mind that. Honestly am a bit hung up on her because I dumped over 400 Sultras into her and like a fricking moron saved over my file after she left my party.

      I get the impression that the new route will make you choose which girl to support. Better neutral vs sexier chaos.

      I hope so, honestly even if she couldn't do NG+ my first run of V gave me fond memories of her and the fact we never got her "real" form makes me think she will probably get some shit for the inevitable bonus dungeon/area.

      So are they going to fix shit like making Tao available for NG+?

      Tao seems to be getting her own ending, at least. The new scenario might have a Yoko/Tao split.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      SMT 1 and 2 shit on Judaism? How? Only played 4 and 5.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a part where ishtar or someone says "the hebrew gods are greedy" which may or may not be mistranslation

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing has ever topped the law ending for SMT 2 for me.

  34. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't tell me what to do! I WILL frick Dagda and there's nothing you can do about it Danu!!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      That is not the same Dagda

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's weird. The Dagda in my brain has like a beer gut going on but in actually he's pretty fit.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're probably thinking of the concept art.

  35. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I should listen to you, but the blonde on the far right is exactly to my fetishes.

  36. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    most important question is what gonna be censored

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everything because it has to follow snoy rules

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol have you not seen that game Stellar Blade and the new costa del sol outfits?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have seen how the 2 GBF games got censored too.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mermaid will be the real test.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, I think she too popular to be censored but I could be wrong because it didn't stop snoy from enforcing censorship.
            I'm personally betting on Ishtar pantsu who were visible in game.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I think Artemis had pantsu too

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      they showed demon asscrack already

  37. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't really get why they added this, save points were already everywhere

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's probably the reason. Save points didn't really make things tangibly harder so they just reduces qol. It doesn't hurt the game design in this case

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't payed this game yet, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't really matter.
        It takes a bit out of atmosphere, but not that much, since there were already a lot of save point that you could teleport between

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You could already TP back to the previous save point you visited at no cost, and SMT IV and IVA also allowed you to save anywhere, so it's not a problem.

  38. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >while they received positive feedback about the game, they also received a lot of.. less positive feedback, and this feedback made them realize that there was room for improvement and it heavily influenced the development of SMT5V
    >however, this isn't just an improved version of the old game; in the original scenario, there were many elements of the story (characters, setting details, etc.) that weren't elaborated or very well-developed. While trying to think on how to expand those elements they came up with the idea for Canon of Vengeance
    >Canon of Vengeance is a new story and it should be considered a "what if" to SMTV; although it has a similar beginning, the new scenario becomes more and more different from the original as it progresses until it becomes a completely different story
    >Vengeance is the main theme of the new plot in the sense of "vengeance of the oppressed"; the snake motif was chosen because through mythology snake deities are subjugated, specially in myths involving horned/bull Gods, who represent the "winners". Doi helped decide which demons were a better fit to represent this theme.
    >the scenario of the Canon of Creation is the same as in the original SMTV, but there are changes to gameplay and and it has all the QoL and system improvements of the new scenario
    >the new scenario presents a dark and bitter story that emphasizes the unique appeal of Megaten, and there are also many gameplay improvements and new demons to discover; Komino said that this time he is proud to deliver a SMT title that he can confidently say will satisfy both old and new fans of the series

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reminds me of that quote about pre-maniax Nocturne where it was called kusoge

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      is the main theme of the new plot in the sense of "vengeance of the oppressed"; the snake motif was chosen because through mythology snake deities are subjugated, specially in myths involving horned/bull Gods, who represent the "winners".
      >lilith leads female group of demons
      So the game is going to be a gender war and the final boss is probably going to be some representation of femininity.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        > horned/bull Gods

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, we did already do Mem Aleph for SJ (Vanilla), so not like it is something new and groundbreaking in that sense.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt it will focus much on any specific, but general narratives of oppressed vs oppressor. How those with power should wield it and how they have largely failed. I can start to guess how the cast fits into those roles but it really depends on the direction. Yuzuru is probably the government's role in society, Miyazu how some are just dealt a bad hand, Dazai could be about social pressure or religion. Sahori seems like she'd benefit most from this new focus. Even if her plot stays largely the same its a good example of the oppressed lashing out. Not sure about Shohei and Nuwa.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >while they received positive feedback about the game, they also received a lot of.. less positive feedback, and this feedback made them realize that there was room for improvement and it heavily influenced the development of SMT5V
        >however, this isn't just an improved version of the old game; in the original scenario, there were many elements of the story (characters, setting details, etc.) that weren't elaborated or very well-developed. While trying to think on how to expand those elements they came up with the idea for Canon of Vengeance
        >Canon of Vengeance is a new story and it should be considered a "what if" to SMTV; although it has a similar beginning, the new scenario becomes more and more different from the original as it progresses until it becomes a completely different story
        >Vengeance is the main theme of the new plot in the sense of "vengeance of the oppressed"; the snake motif was chosen because through mythology snake deities are subjugated, specially in myths involving horned/bull Gods, who represent the "winners". Doi helped decide which demons were a better fit to represent this theme.
        >the scenario of the Canon of Creation is the same as in the original SMTV, but there are changes to gameplay and and it has all the QoL and system improvements of the new scenario
        >the new scenario presents a dark and bitter story that emphasizes the unique appeal of Megaten, and there are also many gameplay improvements and new demons to discover; Komino said that this time he is proud to deliver a SMT title that he can confidently say will satisfy both old and new fans of the series

        >We will literally become BVLLS fricking up "oppressed" feminists
        Atlus delivers.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >our story was shit, should we fix it?
      >no, just make something else instead

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, that was basically what Nocturne did to Vanilla 3 by taking on the Candelabra "BECOME BEST FIEND" shtick and Labyrinth on Amala giving regularly scheduled info dumps as it unlocked as the original plot was progressed.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I like the base Nocturne narrative and the base V narrative. Both games are masterpieces and while I appreciate Atlus is a company that actually listens to feedback, storygays were always a blight.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      On an ideal world it would be this game's version of the Akira route of If...

  39. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a whole spinoff where you play as a human/demon hybrid and Atlus keeps up this "No sexo las demonias mijo" bullshit.

  40. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its a shame the original doesn't seem to get any new content. Just a few more scenes with the reps and better ending cutscenes wouldn't transform the story but they'd just make it feel less barren.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's all it needs tho.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It'd still leave the game thematically pretty weak, and unless the scenes were amazing I wouldn't have much attachment to them. Despite the Nocturne-ness of V the story is a lot more structured and involved so you can't really pull off the same detached nature. VV seemingly leaning into something more involved is probably the right move, if there is actually a lot of story content and not like V where we saw it all in the trailers.

  41. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Zeus in question

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        she has his neck

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Problem?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        DANGANRONPA!

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Destroyman from NMH2

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          THAT'S WHAT HE REMINDS ME OF

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think he's cool, he gets too much hate but I will admit if he entirely just looked like the marble statue white half he wouldn't get nearly as much hate.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I really hope there is a version of them to obtain without the superflous wings. They just clutter up Doi's designs even worse.Somehow his "sexy" designs are even less sexy than just casual designs from previous titles.
          Also any guesses yet on who the other three are? Like, at least the Aztec one probably doesn't leave too many options.

          They should have made it a point to represent Zeus' cthonian aspect as Zeus Zagreus/Hades. Then it wouldn't be so tacky.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Respective "snake women" of mythology
            Far right is probably Eris but maybe Alecto
            Middle is possibly Morgan La Fae
            Left might be Nagapooshani but not sure on that at all

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I was thinking Obsidian Butteffly Itzpapalotl, who's associated with the snake-adjacent Tzitzimil but I hadn't considered she might be Indian.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Middle is possibly Morgan La Fae
              I never realized SMT was missing her till now, feels like an oversight in retrospect

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                They should also add Arthur, at least. Maybe Mordred.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                If they're not in Vengeance I can see them in VI

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Weird that they have the lady of the lake but not really anyone else.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Respective "snake women" of mythology
              YOU HAD ONE JOB ATLAS

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not a woman, idiot. At the very least they don't randomly genderswap demons even if they sometimes just change their age group for no good reason.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              the black wings make me think the morrigan is gonna be involved somehow.

              I was thinking Obsidian Butteffly Itzpapalotl, who's associated with the snake-adjacent Tzitzimil but I hadn't considered she might be Indian.

              Tzitzimitl was in the trailer so its a possibility.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Respective "snake women" of mythology
              I don't think they're all meant to be snake related, and even when part of a team beings from different mythologies look different. They're more likely Lilith's various daughters

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nuwa is serpentine, no?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, as is Lahmu

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The real biggest problem is his fricked up proportions and the anime armblades on top of being an edgy representation for his "dark" side. It looks like a 12 year old designed it.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        FangJoker looking ass.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's probably straight up the reference he was making.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure it's a take on the modern interpenetration of Zeus and his actions. The Greeks saw him as the king of kings. Meanwhile, because of his sexual antics, most people in the modern day calls him a rapist and considers him a bad person. So he's being demonized here. It's also worth noting Daemon mentions he wasn't always like this, though it could just be a joke about his redesign.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Works better as Jove instead, dark side could be Summanus and the light side could be Fides.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        He’s Zeus and hades in one package.

        Clouds and Storm clouds.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      sweaty tomboy armpits

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >child of Zeus
      You're not special, lady

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Chie but SMT
      I kneel

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        She looks more like Aigis, if anything.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Zeus in question

      Checks out to me

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Artemis sexo

  42. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want more ways to spend my Glory on. Had over 8000 glory points the last time I played V, maybe 500 points for a Sutra or a Balm at a broker.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      One issue base game had was how it just gave away too many items and sources
      I really hope they replaced all that with proper demon interactions so you have to actually do something to achieve items and thus value them more

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Either reduce the amount to make them more valueable or make them usable for more than miracles for instance.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I want something like SJ, sources in SJ were incredibly valuable and not something you used without full consideration

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I hated sources, because demons only seemed to inherit skills if you used a source for tbe fusions.
            I don't mind it being rare, but I do want to be able to fuse down stuff without having to use a source.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            honestly the game is much easier if you stop being a pussy and just use the damn sources

  43. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Demon women owe me sexo

  44. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    frick you! I'll frick Mermaid, Alice and Demeter again and no one will stop be from doing so!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      my bawd wife

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, which is which? I like left more here

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        moron

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Love demeter! but the mods look like shit. These guys are massive homosexuals.

  45. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like VV with or without ER dlc is the kind of game that would only sell long-term if the word of mouth is good.so it doesn't really matter
    It's raidou 2 situation where it sold lifetime almost as much as it did first week just because they actually tried to fix up the issues of the original

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      SMT is still a niche, a fairly big niche now but a V re-release wasn't gonna change that so yeah I think it'll still do fine. I'd like it not to overlap just to get some attention. But the point of going multiplat is to slowly drag personagays by the nose and make them finally try mainline.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        But still the deciding factor is how long people will talk about and how positive the reception would be. In terms of sales since it's multiplat I think there's a decent chance it does close to the original but only if people like it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. pokemon releasing around the same time was a bigger threat to sales than elden ring dlc and it did fine

  46. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe I was scammed. I should have known better.

  47. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >3 years for 40 demons and 1 new character + ending
    I hate fatlus so much.

  48. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously, they are the ones who frick you

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      up the butt?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Urethra

  49. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn AI art has come a long way

  50. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know how to feel about the waifu-ification of the new demons. Is it for marketing reasons?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      One of SMT's selling points against its peers is the plethora of monstergirls/demon girls and they're taking advantage of that. As long as not EVERY new demon is waifubait I don't really mind

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Glasya-Lebolas is already confirmed, at least.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Frick I need a nahobihoo plush so bad.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who is the golden mask homie?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Glasya-Labolas one of the demons from the goetia

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I feel like they kinda overdesign the Goetia demons by now. They are meant to be relatively small fry as far as the otherworld is concerned.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its mostly been a pretty fair split, VV having 4 female antagonist just throws it off slightly but you can't exactly help it when that's the story.

  51. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where is my homie Mastema?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      YHVH dumped that fool

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dx2.

  52. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm so glad this edit exists

  53. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    La venganza de Nahobino...

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm so glad this rerelease includes the venida del casichamuco DLC for free. Wonder if the new dlc will be worth it, tho.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Las Flipantes aventuras del Nahobino y el Protoscuro

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Las bizarras pero emocionantes aventuras del Najobino y su compinche Protoscuro

  54. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are they going to fix the fricking level scaling? No exaggeration it ruins the entire game

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope so.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They say "complete overhaul of all systems" but never specifically mentioned this one until now.

  55. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Instructions unclear dick stuck in Mara

  56. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Once I saw a guy on a bridge about to jump. I said "Don't do it!" He said "Nobody loves me." I said "But we have videogames, do you like videogames?"

    He said, "Yes." I said "Me too! Do you prefer role playing games or First Person Shooters?" He said "Role playing games". I said "Me too! Western role playing games or Japanese role playing games?" He said, "Japanese role playing games" I said "Me too! Megaten or Final Fantasy?"

    He said "Megaten". I said "Me too! Do you prefer Shin Megami Tensei or Persona?" He said, "Shin Megami Tensei". I said "Me too! Shin Megami Tensei Mainline or Shin Megami Tensei Spinoffs?" He said "Shin Megami Tensei Mainline" I said "Me too! Shin Megami Tensei Mainline on Nintendo consoles or Shin Megami Tensei Mainline on Playstation consoles?" He said "Shin Megami Tensei Mainline on Nintendo consoles" I said "Me too! Shin Megami Tensei Mainline on handheld Nintendo consoles or Shin Megami Tensei Mainline on Home Nintendo Consoles?" He said "Shin Megami Tensei Mainline on handheld Nintendo consoles" I said "Me too! Shin Megami Tensei IV or Shin Megami Tensei : Strange Journey" He said "Shin Megami Tensei : Strange Journey". I said "Me too! Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey on the DS or Shin Megami Tensei : Strange Journey REDUX on the 3DS?" He said, "Shin Megami Tensei : Strange Journey REDUX on the 3DS" I said "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Emo phillips made fun of me at the tempe improv, he is a demon and should be in this game so i can get vengeance

  57. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do NOT frick the e-girls

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >thumbnail

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you frick up that badly?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can someone post the actual image. I feel like there are boobs in the picture but can't tell.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      fuuuuuuu!! you butthole.. you did this on purpose right?? you cant be THIS much of a legit frickup are you?

  58. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cherub confirmed
    >still no virtue
    WHERE IS HE

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't worry, if he's in P3 reload he'll be reused here too

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        none of the P3 Reload additions have been seen in SMTV at all, and if they are in then we're basically already at our "40 new demons"

  59. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So besides Lillith, does anyone who the rest of the girls are? Can we infer based on the name of the group?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The name is Akkadian/Babylonian and Lilith, while losely aramaic, is not really part of that.
      It's more likely that all of them are some kind of snake goddess just like Nuwa but from different cultural spheres.

  60. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where's that fat-ass c**t from Strange Journey? She was the hottest demon in the series so far.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't remember the names of anyone in Strange Journey.
      There was:
      >chad protagonist
      >cool black guy in the suit
      >el Mexican chaosgay
      >blond, blue-eyed white lawc**t
      >space marine chick no one liked
      >some other homosexuals in the other busses
      That's all I remember.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        (You)
        Gore
        Jimenez
        Zelenin
        Not even sure unless you mean Alex
        Guy who wants to frick demons
        and you're forgetting Arthur

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Frick, you're right I forgot the toaster. He was a big deal too, now that you said his name.
          Thanks Anon, I can see them all more clearly in my head now.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Guy who wants to frick demons on SJ
          That's Anthony, biggest simp of the Investigation Team

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anthony, failure as a human and also my main man.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which one? Maya? Asherah? Anahita?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alilat

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Japan sure knows how to design a crystal

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          she's so fricking thick

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tiamat

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          So many boobs!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're going to have to be specific.

  61. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are these Dois demons???
    If so, it seens really inspired by Kaneko this time, and wow they are good designs!
    also, I never bothered with V, will they improve the game or nay

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      anon, everything new is now Doi demons.. so yes.
      Honestly Doi is just underrated and hated for no good reason.. he makes creepy demons as opposed to Kaneko shit

  62. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently those ladies are the harlot brides of Samael....I'm guessing the snake Lilith carries around IS Samael himself, and he will take humanoid form by the end of the game, or you know, they can just give him his classics Slifer the sky dragon look.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope they don't change his design, Samael is cool.

  63. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://dx2wiki.com/index.php/Demon_List
    So who of these is getting in a mod first?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Without even looking, Bayonetta

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sonic.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Guts

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The DMC crew, then Bayo, then the Berserk character, then the Ghost in the Shell AND THEN we will see stuff like old demon designs like Tiamat and Lilith

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's kinda sad that a ton of cool designs will probably stay in Dx2 because they have other designs that are used more

      >Respective "snake women" of mythology
      YOU HAD ONE JOB ATLAS

      I hope you get transported to ancient South America so you get sacrificed by the Aztec in a bloody and painful ritual

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ancient South America
        >Aztec
        Burger education.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >central america is a shithole
          >south america is a shithole
          >third worlders think there's a reason to distinguish between them

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I was wrong but it doesn't metter because....BECAUSE I'M AMERICAN OKAY!!!
            Mutt ignorance is an amazing thing....humanity will study it for years to come once they get Rome'd

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Central america
            >South america

            [...]

            Anon.... stop making a fool of yourself.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you mexibeaners actually believe they are part of NA like us Chanadians are? Get real cartel victim

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Maple education

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >editpedia
                Did your teachers not teach you wikipedia isn't a proper source? Oh wait you live in a shithole so you probably go taught how to run from the police instead

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You really think the nafta is a wikipedia invention?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                but we are
                why are you getting so upset leaf, you still need people to take the wagie jobs so np

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Você realmente é moronado se você não percebeu que é bait

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Black no me hable en macaco gracias

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Whoa! Canadians are racist! I wasn't expecting that

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                If that's commonplace then how come they elected a turbo woke president?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                you mean this guy?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's one of the biggest virtue of the woke. Extreme racism.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is this the greatest case of troll's remorse?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                why does he look like ulmeyda in the last image

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's a real Texas Bronco.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Implying USA and Canada have never been shitholes

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        ITS NOT FAIR THIS LILITH IS STUCK IN THE POWERCREEP FILLED GATCHA

  64. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that WTDinner game that lets you frick every female demon in your party
    So fricking good dude, aside from the optional pegging scene.
    His Pokemon stuff is 10/10 too, May getting fricked by ghosts and Hilda Gets Railed were god tier

  65. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you will never frick the demons
    >you will never frick Nahobino

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just get yourself a girl cosplayer. Look around at local cons and look as if you are old and well-off.

  66. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    One thing that does concerns me is that in V it was super easy to make Superdemons, to the point where from very early on you could make certain demons like Idunn or the DLC saint seiya girl and just keep improving their skill sets.

    On one hand it's good that you can take your favorite demons all the way to the end. On the other it kinda sucks that the essense that demons have a lifespan and you should constantly update your party kinda gets thrown off the window.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      making super demons always feels good, it's bad when the game doesn't punish you for falling on the same tactic or doesn't provide sufficient challenge

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Without jumping loops its hard to keep them relevant statwise.
      You have to reach lvl 95 with Bino, unlocked the warriors conception and prayer miracles, then you need ALL of the fusion materials to lvl up 20 TIMES.
      If youre planning to fuse something different than special fusions with fixed materials, the additioned base level of the materials have be >lvl142 so your targeted demon will receive the full boost from warriors conception.
      Wich subsequentionaly means that you have to lvl up high tier demons to allmost max level.
      Thats the fusion part done, after that you have to lvl up and feed essences for the skills you want them to have.

      I made a perfect idun, and the time and ressources i needed for that was unproportinal to the result.
      And that was rather easy in comparisson, cause the materials where all low level demons, so leveling them didnt take much time.

      But yeah, allmost 200 Stat Points more than a Idun at the same level, summoned the conventional way.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        huh? I just dumped rare candies on my favorite demon bawds.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Perfectly servicable, but any endgame demon will surpass them statwise by a BIG margin, and i am a OCPD Black person and feel like shit when i dont use the full potential of something, or "waste" time on suboptimal stuff.
          Or even worse: missing out on stuff and permanently missables.

          I woud rather have all those Bonus stats incorperated into natural statgrowth, but backloaded in to the last 20 levels or so.
          Woudnt make any difference in Gameplay, infact it woud reward those players that keept their demons till the end of the game.
          Most players woud still fuse their demons off to combat the changing demands of the games challanges tho, the way SMT intends to be played.

  67. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Will there be a new mommy demon like Cleopatra and Anahita?

  68. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will fricking wreck the Demicuck and his Pixieprostitute. Break his legs, rip out her wings, carve out the tattoos and strangle the pixieprostitute with the skin.

    This is Vengeance.

  69. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So we have a bunch of new demons, but what demon do you hope you'll be able to have as a navigator?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Alice.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no point in adding a new one. They will never, ever top Amanozako.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why is she so goddamn smug?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bratty single mother trying to trick you

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fortuna

  70. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll ask this here since I don't wanna make a new thread for it: Why was Soul Hackers 2 such a disappointment?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The art direction for SH2 is fricking awful
      The famitsu covers alone for SMTV and SH2 are night and day

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Was it just bad in general or is it bad for trying to be too much like Persona?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bad in general. Whoever did the rest of the design for the game outside of the characters couldn't keep up with Miwa's designs in the slightest, and so the game just ends up looking cheap and weird near 100% of the time. There's a whole argument to be made about whether it actually keeps the soul of Soul Hackers (it doesn't) but that's besides the point. Basically every SMT game has wildly different art design and it never mattered.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think the art direction when it's present is fine for SH2. But that's mainly the few UI elements they try on and character designs.

          The real problem is the game is just plain tedious. It's grindy, slow, the dungeons are boring as hell, they pad everything out with optional dungeons in a featureless digital training room environment, and the music is ok but not as good as most Megaten series in general.

          But I will say that it has a lot in the setup and framework as far as characters, story, and setting that fit Devil Summoner/Soul Hackers, and it's annoying how much people would shitpost that it's bad for not being anything like Soul Hackers when an insane amount of it is spot on and more like Soul Hackers than Soul Hackers was like Devil Summoner 1. It's just that it's a bad game and idiots who never bothered to discover it latched onto a point to shit on and never bothered to update it after the game came out to reveal that part's wrong and the game's simply bad.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it was P5 without the coombait. You could forgive the bad things in P5 because most of the females were nicely designed.
      The hang outs were annoying. With P5 you can atleast look at the women and you got closer to them.
      The story was trying to be edgy. Same with p5, you can forgive Ann's shitty story because she wiggles her ass.
      The dungeons for your party members looked like it was for a Wii game.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was mid.
      I love the original Soul Hackers and its universe.

      SH 2 has great ideas but shitty dungeons.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Uses the Soul Hackers name while offering nothing for the fans
      >Extremely cheaply made

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Her pelvis triggers my uncanny valley instinct. I knew that from the start, so I bought the DLC so I could per her in a dress, but when I played the game the dress was only visible during the turn based combat.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If her butt and thighs were more plump it would salvage the design imo.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like Shirow Miwa, but his art doesn't fit SMT.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was made by people who clearly did not understand why the first one is a cult favorite and instead decided to make some totally-not-Persona slop

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The dungeons suck ass and have a handful of themes repeatedly copy-pasted
      The combat mechanics are some of the most barebone in Megaten yet
      Demon recruitment is uninvolved and random, and not even in the usual silly Negotiation way
      Character designs are divisive, to put it charitably
      The DLC is egregiously israeli (Want Mara and a dungeon that isn't a subway or digital matrix? Frick you, pay up)
      Connections to the original Soul Hackers are loose at best and nonexistent at worst, calling it "2" was a massive mistake

      But really, when you get down to it, it's just a really boring game

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the team that brought us TMS decided they wanted another go at making a persona game
      and atlus said no
      so they decided to grab anything else and found SH which lead to them getting the all green since Atlus did/does not give a shit about SH
      and then they proceded to ignore 90% of SH's identity to make their vapid persona clone
      somehow forgetting Persona is on a rut, persona fans don't buy anything not named persona and finally alienated most of SH's fans

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I hope they do a cursed Majin Tensei reboot next.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          would be neat if only for the novelty
          that or Last Bible
          they would all flop tho, the team's director is fricking cursed RIP Radiant Historia

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >another
        See that’s the thing, Ishida and his team have never worked on Persona but they desperately want to. TMS and SH2 are the results of them not getting the keys to Persona

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I would not be surprised if atlus is essentially divided into echelons depending on how close you are to developing a persona game/spinoff
          truly a fate worse than hell

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          For once the higher ups were right, they can't write or design a game for shit so it's a good thing they were kept far away from Persona. TMS and SH2 were both fricking atrocious.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm just angry they wasted what is probably the single time MONACA will ever do music for SMT on it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think the art direction when it's present is fine for SH2. But that's mainly the few UI elements they try on and character designs.

      The real problem is the game is just plain tedious. It's grindy, slow, the dungeons are boring as hell, they pad everything out with optional dungeons in a featureless digital training room environment, and the music is ok but not as good as most Megaten series in general.

      But I will say that it has a lot in the setup and framework as far as characters, story, and setting that fit Devil Summoner/Soul Hackers, and it's annoying how much people would shitpost that it's bad for not being anything like Soul Hackers when an insane amount of it is spot on and more like Soul Hackers than Soul Hackers was like Devil Summoner 1. It's just that it's a bad game and idiots who never bothered to discover it latched onto a point to shit on and never bothered to update it after the game came out to reveal that part's wrong and the game's simply bad.

      Playing it right now, probably 3/4 through, the characters are mostly unlikable/ act like fricking morons and the story is barely even there. Most of it is literally just a stupid hunt for the rainbow worms with nothing interesting happening at all. The sidequests are unironically a hundred times more interesting as the main scenario, that's a problem.
      I wouldn't even have minded the copy paste dungeons if they were carried by the story.

      The combat is really whatever too, Sabbaths are easily the worst twist on the turn based weakness system MegaTen has.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you were disappointed by Soul Hackers 2 then you deserved it, there was no reason to expect anything good form it in the first place.

  71. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The BULL and the SNAKE

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The BVLL and his MASSIVE SNAKE

  72. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Explain Fallen demons to me

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're clumsy

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fallen angels and/or demons from the Ars Goetia

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      99% are just demons from the Ars Goetia, a few are other judeo-christian fallen angels

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ones from this list they decided to use for that game

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        OSECHADS WW@

  73. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >turn based
    Miss me with that best gameplay in the industry.

  74. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  75. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread reminded me that I never actually finished 4a. I kinda just stopped halfway through. I really should pick it back up, but picking up an rpg backup halfway through is always a rough experience.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It really isn't worth it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Apocalypse has an ingame glossaru that details every event up to where you are in the game if that makes it any better for you.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It happened to me
      the game lingers a lot after the first shesha fight and only really picks up the pace towards the end
      I'd say give it a small go but if you don't find it immediately catching I'd say that's fine
      It's a good game mechanically, probably one of the best in the franchise, but there's a reason it's such a divisive game
      it's a setting wrestling with the characters that lead you around in an annoying journey

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You should, cuz its just the latter half of the game that it becomes pretty good tbh.

  76. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope I can somehow transfer my 3 (THREE) demons if choice from Switch to PC.
    I don't wanna have to get Vengeance on Switch, I'd prefer to play it on my much stronger PC

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      PCgays at least have the option of just save editing in those 3 demons.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What about just emulating the Switch version at higher res?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I guess I could, but the last time I tried to get a switch emulator working there were big arguments about which switch emulator and I didn't care enough. Also my base V is a physical cartridge, which means I think the transfer still wouldn't work?

  77. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i do like most of doi's art but 3 of the members of the witch coven here has a problem that some of doi's designs also have: too many geometric shapes stapled on.
    girl on the left, lilith, and the girl to the right of lilith have these distracting markings that just seem there to make the design more compicated. the witch also has a repeated pattern going on with her gown that extends to her legs and the umbrella has a geometric pattern as well but it actually looks good. and i've just noticed the repeated circles with her witch hat but the faded coloring makes them easy to miss.

    needless to say the witch's design is excellent. easily the best of the lot.
    it's like hydra. does hydra need all these oval spots all over his body? i think a solid color for his body might look better honestly.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think it is just him trying to emulate that "object made of basic shapes" look that later Kaneko art always had going on.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        why is everything about if.. so kino...

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s persona 0 for a reason

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Love old SMT art. Wish the games were playable.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Love old SMT art. Wish the games were playable.

            God, this shit FRICKS, I don't dislike the newer art, but classic Kaneko art has such a powerful vibe to it you can goddamn taste it. It's peak occultkino.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Chaossissy giving the LAW CHAD a footjob
            Truly the straightest Chaosgay.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I love Kaneko's art style so much

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          This one is ridiculously awesome

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, tell me about it.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I feel like I haven't seen Titan in any game in forever.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                He showed up in 2D games regularly, most recently SJR
                His most recent 3D appearance (if you don't count Dx2) was P4G

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              why did kaneko retire again? he really was like, 40% of the franchise's soul

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I feel like I haven't seen Titan in any game in forever.

              Never liked Titan. It just never fit my image of what a Titan should look like. It's just a dude in a suit of armor. As direct descendants of Chaos, Titans should be more grandiose. Even Electro Ball Zeus looks more impressive than Titan.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Doi loves repeated patterns and every time you see any repeating patterns and circles in PS2 megaten it's likely because he was the background designer there

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It depends on the context. With Hydra I like it for giving the effect of scales and a cracked pot glued together. It works off the designs main inspirations. With the Qedesha I'm less convinced. Black Face is most likely to just be random squiggles so not much of a fan. The prostitute it could potentially play into something cause she seems to have this whole evil smoke thing going on. Lilith I'm not sure why she is part stegosaurus. The witch is clearly the stand out and why people have already made some pretty solid guesses.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hydra pisses me off. Why is it’s weakness ice and not fire.

  78. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a Rebirth-board now. SMTgays need not try to have a thread.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I believe in Ganker

  79. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So from my understanding is that the only redeemable thing about SH2 is that Ringo is cute?

  80. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >People who buy the game day one are punished for doing so.

    Who’s dumber fatlus or their consoomers?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fatlusgays. Making easy bank isn't dumb. Do you think Gamefreak is dumb too?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think there will be a turning point where people stop buying the original versions and atlus just switch to dlc like pokemon and monster hunter did.

        I think p3r is going to be the turning point where they make a dlc instead of a new version.

  81. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there are anons itt that aren’t going to do a Luck build

  82. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never got around to playing V, but these demon designs are pretty hot. Is it worth picking up double V, even if it's just to make my usual party of demon girls?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it worth picking up double V, even if it's just to make my usual party of demon girls?
      Yes, this is shaping up to be V but better Edition and it comes with original V anyway

  83. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that Mara is a woman so this counts as yuri

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does Mara count as a futa?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mara is only a woman in SJ because of the whole MA thing, in other games he is male

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is male Lucy, the female Lucys are Hikari, Louisa and the one from the MMO

  84. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope I can import skills or at least glory, because I sure as frick ain't looking for all 200 mimans again.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're going to have to. they won't transfer over game progression.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, they talked about importing several demons and also some kind of bonuses for endings complete in og.
        Maybe there's something else as well

  85. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is the new route a separate story like the answer in P3FES for example or are they fixing the clusterfrick that was the main story in V?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Alternate story route

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its like Apocalypse.

  86. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will marry, impregnate, and have a cute kid with a demon and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      she looks like she drowns human men

  87. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we know base SMTV was a half baked unfinished piece of shit but we wont fix any of its problems! Instead play this new what if story mode instead!

    fricking why

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      deadlines, probably
      Also most people who work on ATLUS projects understand they always do a second release.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nintendo

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>we know base SMTV was a half baked unfinished piece of shit but we wont fix any of its problems!
      I mean, realistically what do you suppose they do? It's not feasible to go back and rewrite the base story from scratch, it isn't feasible to even really edit it to the point you'd be able to change anything meaningful. This is the best option, give existent characters recursive context through a new story from the midway point and try to execute a better finale for everyone.

  88. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They better bring back the original Angel design and allow me to use my old save data to carry over the compendium

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They won't
      And they won't
      Both already confirmed

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the original Angel
      Anon, picrel is the original Angel design. The BDSM one originated from Devil Summoner and got a slight update in the PSX port for Shin Megami Tensei 1

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Technically correct; bondage angel is from ds but she has green leather in that game, we got the black leather angel that we all know from smt 2 PSX

  89. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok but are they going to fix the gameplay?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes actually

  90. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did you rike it?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but he really should have been in the original

  91. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    one of the worst parts about megaten is the fact that you never actually interact with your demons, IV kinda tried to fix it a little bit but really you just treat them like shit in every game since the devil summoner games, hell you even give them a heartfelt goodbye in SMT If...

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can now talk to your demon appearantly.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Really hope they don't half ass it. I'm content if the flavor text is as good as the recruit dialogue.

  92. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >new story mode has more Yuzuru
    I'm happy for this but I guarantee you that this won't have any moment as memorable or cool as Dazai May Cry.

  93. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  94. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >S+M
    So in other words, she's a switch

  95. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    When the frick is this trash coming to pc?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      same day as the elden ring dlc releases for some stupid reason lmao

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the day after. Still a boneheaded move

  96. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  97. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nuwa was already bad enough, how is Nahobino supposed to fight these thots while struggling to keep down his raging boner at the same time?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its awkward getting a boner while you're two dudes.
      That would keep me from doing it.

  98. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I really hope Amon gets a good unique skill, I love that Snake Owl so much

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Amon already has a unique skill: Megido Flame.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean the new passives

  99. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    GOD I want a remake of the Raidou games. Please. PLEASE. P4 doesn't need one. DDS doesn't need one. They can just get remasters, it's fine. But I NEED a remake of the Raidou games.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wanting them to frick up Raidou atmosphere like they fricked up P3

      That along with no Kaneko makes it a big no no

  100. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hate the running animation in 5 so much. Can't wait for PC version so I can mod that shit out.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like to think that Nahobino's actually a massive dork and the moment he got superpowers his first order of business was to run like in his Japanese Animes.

  101. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i am going to breed lucifer (female)

  102. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    not up to me

  103. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    moronic question. Should I play base SMT:V right now or should I just wait for Vengance? Bought it a year ago but haven't played it because life got busy.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't bother the story is shit and theres level scaling/mechanic issues. Wait for Venegence to come out to see if they at least fix the gameplay

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vengeance has both vanilla story and the new story as an option to play through. Presumably the vanilla story is untouched or at the very least will get some minor QoL in its gameplay systems.

      So you could wait and play Vanilla+ (assuming that's what they do) and then Vengeance. Or play Vanilla now and then just Vengeance later.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      People whine and b***h about 5 because the SMT fanbase is full of children who can't agree on what games they even like.

      Regardless, I've avoid playing it since if there's one major flaw with 5, it is that it's akin to ER in that you'll have a very rich first experience, then subsequent playthroughs become a slog.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd recommend*

        Just wait until Vengeance and you'll probably have a blast first time.

  104. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is this DLC I can play separately on its own or just the game upgraded with more story and demons like Royal?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Upgraded version but with the option of a new campaign. I'd argue it's more than what Royal gave to P5

  105. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do I have this bad feeling that Almighty/STRchads are going to get cucked in Vengeance?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's an enhanced re-release and they're going to tune some stuff arbitrarily.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If anything STR is going to get buffed for midgame to lategame since adding higher level dracostrike punches seems like a no brainer to an oversight.

  106. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good thread, lads
    Until next time

  107. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

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