So how come cat people haven't reached the same fantasy race prestige as elves, dwarves, orcs and tiny humans?
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So how come cat people haven't reached the same fantasy race prestige as elves, dwarves, orcs and tiny humans?
Tolkien didn't have them.
This.
Fantasy, despite the name, is a stagnant waste of a genre.
Its a waste not to insert my coombait fantasy race
These posts are correct. Tolkuck's dogshit books have utterly and irrevocably destroyed the Fantasy genre because if it isnt' a Tolkuck clone, it's "not real fantasy".
Next fantasy game I run isn't going to have humans, dwarves, elves, orcs, or any of the other shit Tolkuck standardized.
Hey, it's you again. The last time you claimed to be a better writer than Tolkien, yet never delivered a sample of your fiction.
>/tg/ is one person
Meds, now.
Most people are better writers than Tolkein. They just have to not waste novel time on shitty poems about trees in fake languages. Even among closet homosexuals, there's better authors. You've mistaken influential for quality, again. You become influential just by being rich and central enough before starting (which he was).
>well regarded classics are... LE BAD!
Show your work, hipster gay
While he’s clearly butthurt (probably over Tolkien’s relative success) he’s right that Tolkien is not a great writer by the standards of Literature, Tolkien’s verse writing is absolutely awful in most instances, as an indicative example. LotR is a classic, but it’s a pop cultural classic important to the development of pop culture, it is not a literary classic and has very little bearing on capital L Literature and there are other writers of speculative fiction who have more.
Little to no basis in the folklore that most fantasy media stems from. These days tieflings are pretty widespread but these also have obvious influence from satyrs and fauns as well as demons. Cat people aren’t really a thing in any European folklore that was still alive in
Also there aren’t any influential works in the genre that give cat people a clearly defined culture that influences future works. Not just Tolkien but warhammer and Warcraft have influenced it a lot. The only examples of cat people I can think of are either quite indistinct from humans culturally (usually because they’re there for the sake of a fetish) or their lore is extremely autistic like in the elder scrolls and can’t be readily applied to other settings
>still alive in
Still alive in the last 500 years, conversely there were magical little people, craftsmen little people, beautiful slender people, and malicious humanoid monsters in these traditions quite consistently. I grew up in rural Europe and you got folklore about forest spirits, dangerous monsters and little people. cats were part of everyday life, not fantastical
Frick you, the Yule Cat ain't something to joke about.
>Contrarian #1835913571359135713 on Ganker seethes
Clockwork.
>Little to no basis in the folklore that most fantasy media stems from.
You're also a contrarian, but this point is right on the money.
Pretty much all of these reasons.
I really wish that 90's thing where the ears were where a human's goes was what caught on. The early TES games version of the Khaljit wasn't super distinctive, but had potential. Or the Ctarl-Ctarl in Outlaw Star.
Traditional western mythology is still a strong influence in western fantasy, dispite the slow infiltration of modern japanese coombait.
>Traditional western mythology is still a strong influence in western fantasy
Ah, yes, Gary Gygax's magnum opus, Warrens and Wendigos
I thought it was called Catacombs and Catoblepones
because they are cringe like your picture shows
Best boy is not cringe.
You better not badmouth my migga G'Raha
Me. I personally, systematically prevent them from being a thing, using dark rituals and psychic powers.
I do this because I hate you personally, anon.
Not all heroes wear capes. Unless you do, then I guess all heroes wear capes.
>come up with good fantasy element X
>wait decades or even centuries
>it is now a tried and tested trope
come back in 2070 and it will be a core race in any TTRPG
Pretry much the only two non tolkien fantasy races that reached universal acceptance are Lizard people and Demon people.
The first because theyve been a staple of pulp fantasy, later expanded upon by warhammer and the latter because they were already a cultural icon in the west and WoW.
Cat people are kind of a thing in fantasy but bot to that degree
Because it’s obviously fetish shit and people can smell that a mile away despite catgirl fetishist protests.
Because its just a worse and cringier version of what already exists and doesn't sufficiently do anything new, doesn't look new, and doesn't stand out as anything but that one obvious weeb influence indicator.
They have too many interpretations. Everyone knows Elves are poncy leaf lovers, Dwarves are burrowing Scotsmen, Orcs are bl... I mean warmongering savages, and Halflings are pastoral layabouts. For cats people can't even agree on how much cat they should be, let alone how they should act. So all cat people end up being "my cat people are different". Their most prominent representation in Western Fantasy are Khajiit, whose lore does as much drugs as they do.
but they did
they are pretty much overpopulating any fantasy setting made in asia. You are likely to see a catgirl there before seeing a dwarf or hobbit
That's because asians design with the doujinshi in mind. Imagine a marketing campaign where your consumer base jerk offs to your product. Any who ignore this stand no chance.
The Tolkien posts more or less have it. Despite beastfolk being a pillar of fantasy (even when you ignore furry gatekeeping and its consequences), Tolkien didn't have them, so it's taken longer for them to hit the mainstream. You can thank The Elder Scrolls, among other things, for preventing their total cultural annihilation.
>You can thank The Elder Scrolls, among other things, for preventing their total cultural annihilation.
In the west, anyway.
Cat girls are for sci-fi.
Yeah, you can find beastfolk in sci-fi no problem.
Word up.
Oh shit. A Wild Pride of Chanur
That artist really did a good job with the cover art.
Gods rot the Kiff
Catgirls belong to sci-fi in the west.
Shut up nyagger
That's because they're a scifi staple.
They're too intimidating.
They're around, a lot of western fantasy settings have them like TES and the Khajiit. The type you posted is really only popular in Japan and isn't found much outside of it.
I'm allergic to cats that's why.
Now I might be allergic to elves or orcs but I've never met one.
because that would be abetting furgays, and we can't have that.
I'd take catgirls over catfolk though
I give elves animal ears and animal tails (foxes, dogs, wolves, cats, rabbits, squirrels, horses, etc.), and make half-elves the ones with the traditional pointy ears.
That's moronic
>literally the most successful fantasy video game series of all time has featured cat people as a playable race for decades
M'aiq thinks perhaps you are just not very informed.
True, Exile/Avernum has had them since '96.
No, you are mistaken in what series M'aiq speaks about
based taste though anon
I think he's talking about shit like in the OP, not the Khajiit.
Technically they're cat elves and elves aren't people.
>why aren't fetishes mainstream
because cat-people being used in a non-sexually evocative way will never happen outside of elder scrolls or dragons dogma 2.
>non-sexually evocative way
>Elder Scrolls
Uh oh, someone hasn't read their lore books.
there are seventeen different varieties of khajiit on Nirn, ranging from four legged ones resembling house cats to ones that literally just look like white people to ones that are gigantic four legged tigers. They are all intelligent and able to interbreed with each other.
Because unlike elves, dwarves, and other fantasy creatures cat people solely exist as a fetish for your magical realm and didn't come about by any deep insights or a desire to make an interesting race of creatures, just "damn i wanna frick some cats bro".
Really, because they're impossible to take seriously.
Like already said, they're always some form of fetish bait or half-assed attempt to subvert it.
At best, catpeople are still kinda cute, at worst, they're fricking furry scum.
It's the same as with women, you only take them for as coombait or token effort.
Cause humans are racists.
One of many reasons why Japanese tRPGs utterly might western ones. WestBlack folk would rather add rainbow tieflings and combat wheelchairs than catpeople or motorcycle riding knights.
>might
Mog*
But basically
>western trpg
NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU... YOU JUST CAN'T IT ISN'T SERIOUS TRADITIONAL AND JUSTIFIED!!!
>jap trpg
Oh you want a power armor in fantasy setting, sure, there's an evil empire that uses them, go steal one and it's yours.
Also it wasn't always like that. Might and magic was an anachronistic mishmash of elemental magic, high technology and high technology based on elemental magic. You fought ayylmaos in D&D. Shit was cool. I feel like the cultural shift started when D&D (and whether you like it or not, it is a cultural icon and rpg trendsetter) started taking itself too seriously. Same with Warhammer, when a silly "haha but what if orcs in space" offshoot of WHFB took over the brand like cancer.
one of the recent Warhammer Fantasy 4e splatbooks added domestic cats as a playable race
I know its not the same as cat people but still.