So I'm literally forced to pick Chimchar because of the only other fire type being ponyta?
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So I'm literally forced to pick Chimchar because of the only other fire type being ponyta?
So I'm literally forced to pick Chimchar because of the only other fire type being ponyta?
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>pick any starter
>use it
>one shot everything in the game
>play every other gen
>do the exact same thing
>see people arguing that one gen is 10/10 and the other is 0/10 when every gen is just mashing A with your starter
Pokemon is gay and OP is a Black personhomosexual
Play Pokemon Clover and try exactly that, see how it goes.
>Play le rom hack
Pff
>he is afraid of getting filtered
You can do that in Clover. Grbutthole soloed the game
Post proofs.
No, nothing would be enough
>post proofs
>"I don't have them"
Good, now sit down.
>demands I take 10 minutes out of my day to prove you wrong when I already know you're wrong
No anon, the deer does not tell the lion when it is time to eat.
>still no proofs
It's not a plural dumbass
That is not a proof, I need proofs, don't have 'em? Then shut up.
>proofs
Yes, I want webms on you defeating the champion and the postgame trainers using exclusively your starter.
And I want a toilet seat made out of gold.
Too bad, I don't have one of those, exactly the same way you don't have any proofs.
Now, sit down.
I'll sit down on my golden toilet seat when you provide it.
I will provide it once you hand over those webms.
>ESL subhuman
Stop posting forever favela Black person
>[headcanon]
Filtered mainline poke baby, you can't beat clover using only your starter, the game doesn't work that way.
>can't debunk it
Lol
Yes. Enjoy your shitty game.
Kino
Why would you ever use a fire type?
you dont need a fire type
There are 17 types in the game, why do people view a fire type in particular as one of the mandatory ones? I admit I kind of do it myself, but it isn't really logical. Why is it seen as mandatory to have a fire type, but not an ice type, or a rock type?
Cultural autism. Media (specifically Japanese media) specifically posits red and fire as the main character and protagonist colours and the traits that go along with it.
Fire is a strong offensive type
Fire is a relatively restricted typing, here in terms of non-fire mons learning fire moves (worse compared to how liberally non stab grass and water movews get thrown around)
Fire mons are also (necessarily) rarer than grass or water mons (in gen 4 specifically hence the thread)
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A lot of factors but you're right fire isn't strictly necessary or even desirable in every team.
For me, it's because I know if I was travelling around the world on my own crossing through wilderness and stuff I'd need a fire type to light bonfires, cook and warm up at night.
FWG cores are naturally what people gravitate towards, even with 0 meta knowledge.
Most people ended up with a water and flying by default purely due to Surf and Fly usage too, unless you have forward planning for something like a Nido surf user or Dragon flyer.
Fire is a good offensive type, hits steel for 2x and there is a fair amount of pokemon that are 4x weak to fire, so it's good even as a non-STAB move.
I never use fire types and think most of them are lame designwise with a couple exceptions.
Fire is a good type.
>So I'm literally forced to pick Chimchar because of the only other fire type being ponyta?
Yes, unless you're playing Platinum.
>>>/vp/
No, you're forced to take Turtwig because he's got the only good design out of the three.
Fire is not mandatory. Even if you want a team with full coverage, fire is never needed. The best starter in gen 4 is probably Torterra, with the only counterpoint being the existence of better ground types (ground is a mandatory type, to get coverage against electricity)
>(ground is a mandatory type, to get coverage against electricity)
You can just use anything that can learn Earthquake
THIS homie DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT STAB LAUGH AT HIM
I know about STAB moron but you don't need it, Earthquake is strong enough on its own
It's not about being strong enough. It's about the concept of having an optimized team (within reason). I still use ground type moves on non-ground mons, but I need a ground specialist.
Not that anything of this matters, as Pokémon games are piss easy. But they are more about the fantasy, anyways.
just get a garchomp
Yes, but a ground type has both an offensive and defensive advantage against electricity.
What's the point of getting Torterra when Garchomp exists?
Infernape and Empoleon also have their secondary typing covered by a better Pokémon, Lucario
I had both monkey and Lucario. No problem except when everyone faints and Garchomp needs to do the heavy lifting.
Well, I can have Torterra and Garchomp, with Lucario in case an Ice type ruins my day
You don't need a fire type on your team
No, Other Types have the same coverage as fire. Flying and ground are more important, Ground because it's the only type that hits hard against electric and flying because you don't want to be cuck who walks everywhere
Bros how the frick do we fix Ice?
Resistance to water and flying, effectiveness against water
S-Tier Starters
Too many s tiers so none of them are s tier you fricking idiot
>here's your unique DPP team bro
>and your unique BDSP team too bro
For me it was
>Torterra
>Gastrodon
>Blissey
>Kricketune
>Roserade
>Staraptor
Top row yes, but I used Gastrodon, Gengar, and Abomasnow
I've never seriously used a regional bird outside of Kalos. Normal/Flying is boring, but Talonflame is based.
For me it was:
could you ever get the other starters in gen 4?
Wasn't Gen 4 the one that introduced the world trade center? Not sure. I think it was either 4 or 5.
I like Poison types a lot.
Also I had a Glaceon that I wanted to keep but needed the Surf/Fly so I conceded it.
This was mine. I'm pretty sure Gengar and Vaporeon have made it onto every one of my teams.
Last time when I played BD I said frick it and used all three starters, Electrivire, Drapion and Gliscor and had a eventful time.
Here is mine.
Let's get real, you wouldn't be able to beat me.
>starter, surf/fly slaves, and 3 cool pokemon of varied types
whats the issue here?
Empoleon
Drifblim
Froslass
Roserade
Gastrodon
Magnezone
Delete that.
Eh I feel like if you're including BDSP as this, you might as well include Platinum too. The Grand Underground in BDSP was basically just the Platinum dex
Ground type is mandatory, to beat electricity. As an added bonus, you get coverage against poison, steel, rock and fire.
Fighting is also mandatory, being the only ones that beat normal. Rock and steel advantages are redundant, but you add ice and dark coverage.
Between flying and psychic, flying is the best next choice. You beat fighting, bug and grass.
Ice is the next obvious choice, to beat dragon, ground and flying, with a grass redundancy.
You need either grass or electricity to beat water.
Finally, either ghost or dark to beat ghost and psychic.
Final list: ground, fighting, flying, ice, grass/electric, ghost/dark
Fire is an overrated Type that only Black folk use.
Why the frick are GROUND and ROCK differentiated elements?
Why are ice and water differentiated?
The only thing that makes sense is when they were making RBY they wanted the early game rock mons to be a guaranteed 1HKO when hit by Grass or Water to really hammer down the point of type advantages. It's also possible that, knowing how many Poison types they created, gave Poison dual typing to a lot of Grass types to give them a bit more resilience, did the Oddish, Bulbasaur and Bellsprout lines all need to be poison? Well we know what happens to a sole Grass type in a region filled with Kantomons, that's the Chikorita experience and it sucks.
With the exception of Sandshrew no Gen 1 pokemon really represents Ground, if the new games came out and Rhyhorn, Onix etc lost Ground the only true loss pn a design level is the Electric immunity. It's tacked on for the reason above to a couple of pokemon and you get it added to the Nidoking/Queen line too in a random way.
>With the exception of Sandshrew no Gen 1 pokemon really represents Ground,
I guess diglet no longer exists huh
ground is almost always things that live in the ground, while rock is almost always things literally made of rocks
Okay Ganker
What region did it better?
WATER CHADS? Lets celebrate by fetching the crummy wailmerpail
I love how everything is Poison in Gen 1.
>all those psychics in Gen 3
I guess the twins as a gym leader makes sense
>NOOOOOOOO I CAN'T POSSIBLY BEAT THIS CHILDREN'S GAME WITHOUT A FIRE TYPE NOOOOOOOOOO
imagine not picking my homie piplup for when he becomes a giga homie empolean
How autistic are you?
Just use whatever you catch?
Fish for optimal natures?
Rng manip for optimal IVs?
Decide what I'm going to use as a team before I start playing for good type coverage but don't fret the optimization too much - level.
I got to go for natures and EV train if there is a decent spot/know there is no reason for a pokemon to gain a specific EV.
How do i get good at judging EV spreads? Are there rule of thumbs? Or do i have to know about these "thresholds" people sometimes talk about?
Very basic things tend to be early route birds and rodent pokemon drop speed, rocks drop defense, fighting are attack, ghost for special, things like that. Some routes and places have one or two specific like Pokemon Tower almost always have Gasty and Haunters for their enoc**ters so its a great place to train for Special attack EVs.
you only need thresholds if you're playing competitively.
defensive pokemon with low HP should get HP EVs. defensive pokemon with low defenses should get defensive EVs.
don't give purely physical pokemon spattack EVs, or purely special pokemon attack EVs.
I'm unsure about the neccessity of minmaxing for an ingame team though, for example in competitive play, you may max out the speed and minimize the defences of a fast and frail pokemon, but I think this may be less necessary ingame, too much speed could be unneccessary, and you may be taking hits anyway.
I've never ev trained for my ingame playthrough though.
I use my favorites (my favorites are all OU)
Metagross... my beloved.
When I play pokemon I decide my team like this.
>catch
>if the nature don't favor the pokemon's main attack stat or is neutral I box it
>I won't use that pokemon and it's evolutions for that run
>after I get 6 adequate pokemon and I catch a 7th one I check if there are overlaping types, if that's the case I remove one of them
>the pokemon I remove will always be the ones with lower true BST
To get the true BST I simply subtract the secondary attack stat from the BST, then I increase or subtract type points, some types are worth more points than others.
Here is the Type point worthiness scale, it is tied directly on how good the type is both offensively and defensively.
Steel +70
Fire +30
Water/ground/fairy +20
Flying/ghost +10
Dragon/poison/electric/rock = 0
Fighting -10
Psychic/Dark -20
Normal/Ice -30
Bug -40
Grass -50
So For example Garchomp's BST is 600, but it's true BST is 540 (600 -80 sp.atk +20 from Ground)
I always use certain pokemons if they're available. Lucario and Garchomp for example.
Used to be use whatever I catch up until around S&M, now I look for male or female based on the design and an ideal nature for the final evo while boxing neutral natures for the lower evos and that's it before moving on. Still takes forever to clear routes but I feel more at peace with myself when I do. I hate mints because they don't overwrite their natural nature in the bio and even say in Home that you used a mint, not to mention in the gens they were introduced and a gen or two afterward it was an absolute pain to get them.
I still just use whatever barring the sex when it comes to gens 1 and 2 on the GB/C, but everything after I've now done ideal natures.
Oh yeah, and balltism. Ever since gen 3 I catch every single thing in a Pokeball no matter what. Shinies go in Premium Balls and Legendaries are 50/50, depends what I feel on for the game. I think in SWSH and LGPE I did Premium but on SV it's been legendaries in Pokeballs, shinies in Premiums.
I also don't use my caught legendaries, I trade for other ones so that the ones I own don't level up.
You have no idea how hard it is to get a non-hacked Pokeball Miraidon and Koraidon. Enamorus is surprisingly easy though because a lot of people understand there's no reason to craft any of the Pokeballs and you almost never need Feather Balls for anything. Even when you do both can be bought for extremely cheap.
I'm glad i'm not a pokeball only autist, anymore.
hey babe 😉
I'm curious to know about your experience with both versions of Home. I've ended up using thr mobiles favorite filter for my living dex
Mobile sucks. It's slow, it has to load basically everything every time you do anything, it crashes constantly on successful trades, and worst of all is that you can't use it on cellular for some insane reason. It will always tell you to find a better connection despite every other app working fine on cellular.
Switch is okay but the release limit is idiotic and being unable to view as much data as easily as mobile feels limiting.
Haven't paid for premium and don't plan to. Both are incredibly buggy and constantly having trouble with Go in particular. They also really should have let you transfer items between games via Home, I really don't get why they don't. Just have banlists for Master Balls or just straight up don't allow a transfer if it's holding a Mega Stone to SV or something.
I also haven't tried Bank, but if I will I'm going to backup my DS and 3DS saves, then transfer them over, and then bring my saves back because I am not losing those Pokemon after all those hours on all those saves.
>It will always tell you to find a better connection despite every other app working fine on cellular.
Never had this issue.
Figured it out. Out of all the apps running on my phone it was the only one not getting permission for cellular, I have no idea why because last I checked it was allowed and still not letting it through. Solves that issue at least.
Apparently not autistic enough. I don't look at natures, IVs, EVs, and I only sometimes check abilities. I try to keep the starter and avoid repeating types. HOWEVER, I only use female Pokémons.
>only use female pokemons
That's arguably more autistic than fishing for natures
Just fricking play Renegade Platinum, dumbass. Then use the Moemon patch on top of that.
What's the appeal of all these romhacks?
Which of them are the best?
The appeal: making Pokémon games "somewhat challenging", and fixing some issues/adding QoL
It's hard to pinpoint which one is the better one. For example, Radical Red offers every Pokémon, has several options to reduce the autism required to play it as intended, but you'll be forced to change your team and grind levels anyways.
Not at all, there's never a point in the game where you need a Fire type.
For me the mandatory types have been
water - grass - electric - fire - flying
I believe I used these types in multiple games.
swampert - breloom - manectric - camerupt - swellow
gastrodon - torterra - luxray - rapidash - staraptor
also in rby
Don't remember gsc at all, other than ampharos and typhlosion though.
By hgss, I was more experimental and used TWO butterfrees
no because its the tightest
These are your new Sinnoh starters for tonight, which do you choose?
Water>Fire>Grass
grass > water >>>>>>>>>> fire
>those feet
still proving to me why Infernape is the worst of the trio
Wow, apparently so. It's been a long time since I played Pearl. I named mine Goku.
>using starters
>ever
bro do you even pokemon those nerds go into the box after 10 minutes
Is it really only possible to transfer from gen V to VI via a hacked 3ds?
If you were too late to download the software, yes.
Pokemon is way too easy if you have a well balanced team, so I always play a monotype pokemon team.
Try some of the more popular romhacks. I played Sacred Gold recently and this team had a great challenge to it, but was really fun
I keep a sheet of every mon I have used so I don't repeat too often
I have never picked a grass starter and I never will, boring ass type for gays
>b-but grass pokemon has a really good move to beat up the AI in this children game
>using fire types in a playthrough
Fire types have fricking garbage movesets 9/10 times and are more of a liability due to being weak to rock and ground which are literally everywhere.
What are some romhacks you would recommend to someone that casually enjoys these games but wants something above room IQ playthroughs and hates smogon autism/minmaxing with perfect EVs and IVs.
Can't go wrong with Renegade Platinum, SGSS or BW2Redux.
Preferably that order
Noted, thanks. Does Renegade Platinum still have that issue of Gen 4 being sluggish as all hell?
It's slight sped up and it does have a toggle for battles to run uncapped, so music is normal speed but battles are fast. Personally I just use FF in emu but its there.
Oh and just to note, RP has some retypes but if you download the classic version those are gone, as are the stat rebalanced, personal I suggest you don't do that because it makes fighting usual shitmojs more of an experience when they can actually make you think.
Pic related, only one who hasn't been retyped is Nidoqueen.
Type changes are done less in SGSS. These hacks mainly let you pick a diverse set of mons early on
Clover.
Clover is more extreme
Nah, you just need to understand how pokemon works.
I care not, Turtwig is my Gen 4 starterbro.