So is there ever any actual explanation for how these three dipshits came back to life?
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So is there ever any actual explanation for how these three dipshits came back to life?
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Not really, but if you look at the scene where Kieran punches the monument you'll notice that a purple smoke emanates from the spot he punched. It's more than likely that his negative emotions at the moment spurred them back to life
>you'll notice that a purple smoke emanates from the spot he punched.
Does it? I never noticed.
Yeah, it's pretty subtle
There's nothing there.
It's way more visible in motion, I can post a video later.
Pretty sure thats just his jacket cuff
Huh, that has some interesting implications. I hope the remaining DLC provides an actual explanation for all of the weird shit that happens in this game and doesn't just ignore or brush past it the way Teal Mask does. Also, timetravel gays on suicide watch
No. For some reason battling excites everything in this DLC. Ogerpon comes out of hiding when you're battling too.
WAKUWAKU
Wishing really hard
something to do with dokutaro, him bringing the teal mask near their grave, and his negative emotions. and the fact the game points out crystal pond lets you talk to dead people
This. The linchpin is Dokutaro, empowered by Tera crystals
Anon... He IS the crystals
That does not look like dokutaro. That is an extreme stretch
This is a stretch.
Although I am still willing to believe that dokutaro exists and is influenced or influences terapagos somehow. I also think its gonna be a cosmog situation with that design.
How is it a stretch? It's obviously related to Glimmet and Glimmora (seed > flower > fruit), both of whom are also said to be connected to Tera crystals. Not to mention, khu himself has said that whatever the eyes are is the "origin of terastellization", and it sure doesn't look like Terapogos' eyes
>its not a stretch because khu said so
Anything that comes out of his mouth is not proof of anything because its intentionally vague. We can discern some obvious things about his “leaks” with critical thinking but nothing is final and those eyes could mean something just as much as they could be designer flair. Its not proof that dokutaro is the source of the tera crystals especially when its much more believable with the already existing official design that terapagos is.
I'm not saying Dokutaro is the source of the crystals, I'm saying he IS the crystals. The tera orb is literally its pokeball and gets "recharged" at pokemon centers, its not that deep
>literally its poke ball
That is even more fricking moronic
>dokutaro is the poke ball
>everyone with the tera orb has a dokutaro
>tera orbs were specifically manufactured with dokutaro
Will you stop being a moronic slave to hype culture and just think about what you’re saying for once? Nobody is going to take you seriously otherwise.
NTA but it’s a fact every tera hat has a pair of eyes on it. khu says its the source of terstallization
The terastal state is represented by two symbols: the 6-pointed star, and the angry israeliteel. However, Ogerpon's special terastal states only use the 6-point star, with no angry israeliteel (picrel)
What this suggests to me is that, intentionally or not, something about the Tera Orb is responsible for the angry israeliteel being present on all the tera israeliteels, as the pure crystals don't seem to cause this phenomenon. Of course this doesn't explain why wild tera mons also possess the angry israeliteel, but something in Paldea has altered the terastal phenomenon
Or maybe its just fricking design flair
That's moronic. Im sorry anon but that is the most braindead version of "the curtains are blue" that I've ever seen
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Didnt mean to tag that other post fricking mobile man
>but something in Paldea has altered the terastal phenomenon
Yeah, of course, I agree with that, but the Tera Orb is not *literally* holding the Pokémon like the original commenter was stating. It’s just an orb, that looks like a Pokeball, that has a Tera crystal in it.
Wild Tera mons wouldn’t even exist if that were true.
No.
The Tera Orb was invented 10 years before the game began by the Professor and it uses a crystal to power it, so they could terastalize outside of area zero.
Pokémon can also terastalize without the use of the orb, as evidenced by both the discovery of terastalization 140 years before the games began and that they exist in the wild.
>Three Poison-types getting murdered by a Grass-type at the same time
The Lousy Jackasses should stay dead
munkidori got ganked with a knock off and brutally beat down. That gets rid of the only fast one.
Then using anime rules Ogerpon is able to dodge a ton with the speed boost she gets from the Teal Mask and dish more than she takes winning at a heavy cost
> Let's cut out a postgame half the size of Diamond and Pearl's and sell it back as an overpriced DLC!!
DLC was a giant mistake.
theres still tge Indigo Disk it seems like it will be larger than Teal Mask
>fantasizing about killing children and raping their corpses
You were a mistake.
what the frick are you talking about?
Marioipod13 is a necrophile who wants to rape May's corpse.
He is also a pedophile who isn't attracted to women, and only wants to frick May because he is so moronic he thinks she's 7 years old.
He also thinks that he is literally May IRL.
This board is really a magnet for schizos.
>third version gays when GF isn't reselling the same exact game, with $15-30 worth of new content, for another full $60
Before
>buy third version and get everything from the base game plus more, with bug fixes
Now
>buy buggy, bare-bones base game
>also have to buy dlc to fix it
I remember back when USUM were shat out the door that you cucks sworn that GF will never try to israelite you with DLC, and yet here we are…
Also stop larping as Misty you cringe zoomer homosexual
Taking bets on Dokutaro using Kieran's mental state to trick him into allying with it in Indigo Disk
I think Kieran and Dokutaro are somehow connected. When Kieran punched the monument a small purple energy appered around his fist maybe that was what brought them back. How are they connected? No idea yet but maybe that Dokutaro maybe senses negative energy and feeds off it and it chose Kieran as his host or something just realized it makes somewhat sense with those zombies that were leaked in text
What makes you so sure they died to begin with
>What makes you so sure they died to begin with
the graves and the story of Ogrepom killing them
Dogshit story-writing
His desire for strength fueled by the gems on the teal mask revived them
Imagination theory
Doesn't explain it.
yes it does
>no one desired them to come back to life
>comes back to life
It's more likely that momo possessed Kieran and then brought them back to life when he found them.
The imagination theory has always just been abject bullshit.
>no one desired them to come back to life
>It's more likely that momo possessed Kieran
momo desired them back to life then. thanks for shooting yourself in the foot
>momo desired them back to life then.
>implying pokemon desires mean shit
If it was a thing for pokemon the region would be in chaos.
You fricking morons are so desperate for a connection to wishes that you won't even let unrelated pokemon have their own abilities.
>If it was a thing for pokemon the region would be in chaos.
Good thing the region is in chaos then
>titan pokemon appearing randomly and causing trouble
>paradox pokemon on the verge of escaping area zero
>terastal pokemon wandering around
it's almost as if time travel trannies haven't played the games!!!
pokemon appearing randomly and causing trouble
Randomly? There are five in select locations where the herbs were planted.
pokemon on the verge of escaping area zero
As a result of the time machine something a HUMAN made.
pokemon wandering around
Literally harmless. They mind their own business.
You're just naming shit at random now because you haven't played the game.
>If it was a thing for pokemon the region would be in chaos.
no you need tera crystals. momo possessed kieran and kieran also had the teal mask and brought it close to the grave. wish conditions met. easy to understand
>You fricking morons are so desperate for a connection to wishes
wishes are canon, get over yourself timetroony. you still don’t have an explanation for herba mystica, nor crystal lake letting people talk to the dead, nor advanced AI in modern times
seethe harder
>you still don’t have an explanation for herba mystica
Why do people act like this wasn't explained in game?
what’s your explanation for an herb being able to simultaneously make titan pokemon, cure a dog, or raise shiny odds. “muh terapagos energy” is such a non-answer
>its terapagos energy
>but the energy isn’t desire manifestation I swear
>it’s just some generic energy!
>muh terapagos energy” is such a non-answer
In other words, you know the correct answer but don't like it.
Also if it was wishes the herbs wouldn't work like they say they do in the book.
tera crystals are related to terapagos, yes? terapagos energy lets you talk to dead people, yes? generic energy sources don’t do supernatural things. quit acting dumb.
>"Area Zero was home to wondrous herbs that instantly impart vigor when eaten. We dubbed them Herba Mystica and attempted to grow some in areas around Paldea. However, before we could harvest, the herbs were eaten by Pokémon—which in turn grew large and strong. We call these Titan Pokémon."
wild pokemon eat the herbs and become giant alpha males like they desire, seems right. herbs also cure an otherwise uncurable dog, undeniable fact. like what arven desired. players want herba mystica so much because everyone desires shinies so much. nothing seems wrong here
>tera crystals are related to terapagos, yes?
Correct.
terapagos energy lets you talk to dead people, yes?
False.
>wild pokemon eat the herbs and become giant alpha males like they desire
And your evidence? Tatsugiri on its own flies in the face of use since titan tatsu is still horrendously weak.
>herbs also cure an otherwise uncurable dog
If its incurable the herbs wouldn't work, they have set effects.
>False.
wrong, crystal lake lets kitakami villagers talk to the dead.
>And your evidence?
how about the scarlet violet book entry that said and I quote “the herbs were eaten by Pokémon—which in turn grew large and strong.” curious how mabosstiff ate them but didn’t grow large and strong, huh?
>If its incurable the herbs wouldn't work, they have set effects.
no amount of going to the pokecenter and modern medicine was able to cure arven’s permanently wounded mabosstiff. but the herba mystica worked, as I said. a miracle medicine
>crystal lake lets kitakami villagers talk to the dead.
Until it happens or is even hinted at happening in game it's false.
That's how it works anon.
>the herbs were eaten by Pokémon—which in turn grew large and strong.” curious how mabosstiff ate them but didn’t grow large and strong, huh?
So you're just going to disregard the game where one pokemon had hoarded the herbs for itself and then stuffed it's face half way in the battle showing that you need to eat a ton of herbs to grow and not just a sprinkling of it?
I mean you're acting as if Mabosstiff ate a ton of the stuff when it didn't even eat one because it was split across multiple sandwiches.
>but the herba mystica worked, as I said. a miracle medicine
The curative effects were written in the book from the start anon.
>even hinted at happening
The npcs in the area and even Carmine tell you this
>The NPCs in the area and even Carmine tell you this
And yet, I haven't see it happening ingame.
You haven't seen time travel happen either though yet you claim it's 100% irrefutable
>they didn’t directly show it to me so it isn’t real
That's literally just an urban legend/folklorish statement she made and immediately moved on from, anon.
>People write things in stories for no reason, anon
>he thinks Occulture is real
Occulture exists to cast doubt on the time travel thing the game tells you about. It's a writing tool to make you go "Huh, that doesn't seem right." Same for Arven telling you the book contradicts what we know, and people talking about speaking with the dead in Kitakami near the crystals.
>Occulture exists to cast doubt on the time travel thing the game tells you about
Ino you dumb frick half of them aren't even about the past and future
The purpose of Occulture was to make you think the paradox mon were fake by saying the most absurd and unbelievable things only to introduce real ones in Area Zero.
Who the frick is Ino
I'm phoneposting because I'm playing ace combat and this phone sometimes spazzes the frick out. If I leave it to count down sometimes it'll just randomly click around and type.
A witch with a guitar.
Do you have any idea how many times pokemon just has folklore just for the sake of it?
And let's not forget
>you're not the one
>Until it happens or is even hinted at happening in game it's false.
>Long ago, the Crystal Pool was infused with crystalline material from an unknown source. Its water has a faint glow, but it’s safe to drink and even serves as the village’s water source. Tales say that gazing upon the glowing water can allow you to meet those who have passed on.
you’re just the one refusing to believe it
>showing that you need to eat a ton of herbs to grow
you didn’t play the game
>The curative effects were written in the book from the start anon.
which line? “instantly imparts vigor” which sounds ambiguous but heals a wounded dog but also gives raidon more mobility upgrades. sounds like a miracle medicine that does whatever you desire it to do
>sick dog eats herbs to recover strenght
>weakened bike lizard ears herbs to regain strenght
Where's the issue?
>TALES say that gazing upon the glowing water can allow you to meet those who have passed on.
Anon this isn't evidence. This is heresay and myth.
Occulture says that scream tail was a billion years old and that iron hands was a human, do you believe those too?
>you didn’t play the game
You're saying that while posting a screenshot of Klawf eating a ton of herbs.
>which line?
The lines Arven when you're about to go after a titan. The ones that have the exact effects
Luckily this anon posted it
>boosts circulation
>gut health and digestion
>nutrients and general health
>circulation
This one Arven actually mentions in relation to Mabosstiff
>Case in point, Mabosstiff's paws were cold as ice before he ate that last herb. But they've warmed up a little now—I'm sure they have!"
And finally
>aches, pains, neuropathy, numbness and muscle weakness
Have YOU played the game?
>You're saying that while posting a screenshot of Klawf eating a ton of herbs.
Not OP but it’s literally just eating one. There is only one Herba Mystica in that image.
Anon, look at it again and think, this is a TITAN Klawf.
That herb is the size of its face.
A single herb is just the branch.
Nope, the game treats it as “one” Herba Mystica. Every time it appears it always appears in this form and is always referred to as “Herba Mystica” not “Herba Mysticas”.
Or is the game only literal when we want to be and ambiguous/not deliberate when it doesn’t support us?
>There is only one Herba Mystica in that image.
NTA but the herb in that image is massive being almost the size of the player character the one you and Arven find though is much, much smaller even though they use the same model.
Basically the titan is eating way more.
The titans eat a ton of herba mystica, that's their primary diet. They're not just huge and eat one to power back up when at half health. They knock through walls because there's caches of them at their location. For story purposes and gamefreaks laziness you find one in the cave for the cutscene.
>nothing seems wrong here
Except for the fact that you're trying to use game mechanics to explain lore. They don't take each other into account.
Plus we know that the herbs have specific effects that were written about by Heath long before the main story.
> trying to use game mechanics to explain lore.
why do game mechanics not count. because you said so? I say they do.
>Plus we know that the herbs have specific effects that were written about by Heath long before the main story.
I posted the literal quote about the herbs as written by Heath earlier. at least can you agree eating an herb and a pokemon turning giant or getting a miracle cure is also supernatural?
>why do game mechanics not count
You're kidding right. Okay, where was the shiny effect written or talked about in the book.
>I posted the literal quote about the herbs as written by Heath earlier
No, you posted a single page
There are pages that we as the player can't see but are told to us through others, in other words you need to look at ARVEN'S lines, not the book
>OK! Let's see what the book has to say... So it seems Spicy Herba Mystica's supposed to boost your metabolism! It gives your circulation a boost and helps flush out all those toxins...along with a ton of sweat!"
>Now then, let's see... What does the book have to say? It says here that the Sweet Herba Mystica is good for gut health and that it helps aid digestion. Says it's great for stomachaches, too, or when you want to stimulate the ol' appetite!"
>Now then, let's see... What does the book have to say? OK, Sour Herba Mystica is chock-full of nutrients and is great for boosting your overall health! Says here it works wonders whether you're tired physically or mentally. Perks you right up!"
>Now then, let's see... What does the book have to say? Bitter Herba Mystica's great for your circulation! It really gets the blood flowing! And that warms you right up, nice and toasty, even boosting the immune system! ...Or so it says."
>Now then, let's see... What does the book have to say? Well, apparently Salty Herba Mystica helps with aching hands and feet. Good for neuropathy and numbness. When you've got muscle weakness, it supposedly builds up strength again!"
Did you even play the game or did you just read a wiki?
Well yes herba mystica is packed full of nutrients as explained in-game so it makes perfect sense it makes pokemon grow big and strong or cure a weakened one. The shiny thing is obviously an in-game mechanic. It doesn't have to be related to one thing or the other.
>momo desired them back to life then.
Momo has its own powers, hell the toxic chains are clearly supposed to be pokedrugs.
Not everything has to be wishes anon.
>longing, desire, a wish
>I-ITS NOT A WISH EVEN IF THE GAME SAYS ITS A WISH
Can someone explain to me who the frick is Dokutaro?
Momotaro but evil. Doku=Poison.
Dokutaro is the codename for a Pokemon found in the files set to appear in Indigo Disk, and people are specilating that it's name it a combination of Doku(Poison)+Momotaro, and that it's actually this entity. This image was found in the files, and is used ingame in the Ogerpon backstory cutscene, just with most of it's body cropped out of frame. There's also a plush of it at Peachy's sporting the Purple and Black color scheme the Loyal Three have.
Oh shit that's pretty neat still kinda BS that they using Momotaro of all things on a game about Poke Spain. GF is creatively bankrupt.
>kinda BS that they using Momotaro of all things on a game about Poke Spain.
Kitagami is literally a japanese region outside paldea dumbfrick it's NOT Spain
Why didn't he show up in the Teal Mask? Him being related to the Parapagos incident seems contrived.
>Gen 1 has a thunderbird (Native American), western Phoenix (Greek), and whatever the frick Articuno is in Japan
>Gen 2’s legendaries are the Japanized version of the Chinese iconography of Phoenix/Fenghuang and Sea Dragon
>Gen 3 has two different israeli inspired trios in Japan
>Gen 4 is actually pretty consistently Japanese but has the big israeli golem
>Gen 5 we get more Japanese legends… in New York, and they also have Chinese forms. And a French four musketeers group (one of which is a (Scottish) Kelpie), and a Muse (Greek), and Taoist (Chinese) main legendaries
>Gen 6 has Norse inspired main legendaries and the djinn based Hoopa in France
>Gen 7 has European alchemical legendaries in Hawaii, although the Tapus are very Hawaiian
>Gen 8 has British Arthurian legendaries for Britain, although Wales (the birthplace of Arthurian lore) isn’t really an influence on Galar
>Gen 9 has Chinese inspired treasures and then two random lizards in Spain
And morons are complaining we fly to Japan and interact with Japanese legendaries… why?
Realgays will complain either way. They don't care at all at what the actual game actually does.
Oh boy, I can't wait to see this!
>The Fates (Either Moirai from Greece or Norns from Norse) in Russia region (Gen 10)
>Four Immortals from Vietnam in Switzerland region (Gen 11)
>Four Tezcatlipocas from Aztec in Italy region (Gen 12)
>Three Vengeful Spirits from Japan in German region (Gen 13)
>Daniel's Four Beasts from Bibical in Australia region (Gen 14)
>Daji from China and her incarnations (Lady Kayo from India, Bao Si from China and Tamamo no Mae from Japan) in California region (Gen 15)
>The Morrigan (Macha, Nemain and Badb) from Celt in Finland region (Gen 16)
Gen 4 is christianity so not japanese
>Gen 4 is Japanese
>Gen 4 is Christianity not Japanese
Gen 4 is a mishmash of many different religions. Arceus’s lore is simultaneously Buddhist, Judeo-Christian, and Classical. Spear Pillar is a Greco-Roman styled temple named after the Shinto origins of Japan. There’s an explicit church themed around Mt. Coronet ingame, and Arceus worshippers named after Peter/Mary/Christ appear in the Hoopa movie. Giratina is a Satanic analogue as well as being inspired by Izanami. It’s also inspired by Hades, given that its place of worship is a cemetery and it was twisted over time into being, again, more of a satanic figure in lore. Volo/Cogita/Cynthia are Ainu inspired, with Celestic town being more Ainu themed in its house structure, though Volo’s outfit during his final battle is again more Greek themed to match the setting. Arceus has a mandala around its body and is said to have 1,000 arms, which is very Buddhist, while it and the other members of the creation trio are designed to resemble Greek statues, hence their powerful, immobile appearances. Arceus’s “bolts” that it uses to charge the legendary hero mons may be a nod toward Zeus again.
I think its far simpler to just say its christianity but redesigned to not be offensive to america by taking out any queues that would make it immediately obvious to the average moron.
>arceus is god
>the emotion trio are the holy spirit
>giratina is satan
>dialga and palkia are there so that its not literally christianity.
"Everything in a region should relate to that region's real world inspiration" is a rule made up by the fandom. It has never had any basis in reality, and GF has always used a mishmash of cultural ideas in every region.
Imaginationgay is here guys, abandon thread.
reminder than timetravelgays are a vocal minority as proven time and time again with polls
There's no such thing as a timetravelgay.
Everyone who argues against you just quotes the game.
Meanwhile in the last thread you admitted to waging a one man war because you don't understand time travel.
newbie spotted, timetravelgays have been here since release. lurk moar.
So you admit that you consider everyone who played the game a timetravelgay
>timetravel Schizo with no imagination thinks every Imagination Chad is the same person
Kek
How did this wish thing even take off?
I mean, it's not like we see wishes being granted in game.
imagination theory, wishes, and desires all fall under the same blanket category
Yeah but where does it come from.
There's nothing in game that comes close to that. Especially since everyone's goal is achieved with their bare hands rather than just a magic turtle.
It just seems like someone went
>huh what if they just wished for it and it happened
And decided that was it.
>There's nothing in game that comes close to that.
terastallization magically changing types, occulture magazines implying paradoxmons are fictional, herba mystica being a miracle medicine, advanced AI robot suddenly appearing when the professor was left alone, AI not possible during modern times, a tera crystal lake that lets you talk to dead people, etc etc.
don’t get me started on ogerpon’s masks and the loyal 3 also magically turning giant. a lot of otherwise impossible things just keep happening
Occulture is a trashy conspiracy rag that is not meant to be believed, anon. The joke with them is they present outlandish explanations for what the mons are/where the mons are from and then we find them just chilling in Area Zero. Nothing about Occulture is meant to be taken seriously.
I’m on the imagination side too and I don’t get why people keep bringing this up.
the implication is that the professor read and was an avid believer of occulture and cryptid ancient/future pokemon which led them making their conspiracy theory cryptid beliefs a reality. like if occulture talked about bigfoot, and Sada genuinely believed it and made a time machine to bring bigfoot to present day
But the Paradox mons are described in the Scarlet/Violet Book, the same book the Professor is stated to be obsessed with. Why would they be influenced by some conspiracy magazine when they have the “truth” right in front of them?
Heath is the original creator of the Paradox Pokemon. Later magazines wrote about them. Professor believed the stories and wanted to find them in the crater, so they did. Growing belief in the population has allowed the strongest paradox mons to leave the crater, and herba mystica to grow outside it as well. The story isn't being subtle about it.
>I’m on the imagination side too and I don’t get why people keep bringing this up.
>people
It's just this one guy. It's his only argument against time travel because he thinks it's all factual when everyone tells him it's just a red herring.
>terastallization magically changing types
It's not magic though, Terapagos has access to every type which is what makes the crystals so unstable. The Tera orbs tap into that to change the type of the pokemon.
That's also why feeding them food with Tera crystals of a specific type changes their Tera type.
>occulture magazines implying paradoxmons are fictional,
No?
Occulture is bullshit but in just about every entry it says that the article was based on a description from the book.
The book Arven has been reading this entire time and was completely true.
Basically it's saying
>yeah OUR books are moronic but not the actual one.
>herba mystica being a miracle medicine,
I mean, herbs in general are known for healing properties in real life and in fiction and if pokemon can be powered up by Terapagos why not plant life?
>advanced AI robot suddenly appearing when the professor was left alone
I wouldn't say imagination explains that since the AI doesn't run on magic. It explains exactly how it works.
>A computer draws on the original professor's knowledge and memories to calculate all of my thoughts and actions. The results of those calculations are expressed by this mechanical body, built to resemble the professor in every way.
Not to mention the first thing it said was
>An AI is an artificial intelligence created by a human being
It confirmed it was built by a human, not an external wishing force.
>don’t get me started on ogerpon’s masks and the loyal 3 also magically turning giant
I mean, the masks were just made out of the crystal and because of the Herba Mystica we know that prolonged exposure to the energy causes titanism.
>a lot of otherwise impossible things just keep happening
I mean, not really? A lot of this was already explained in game but wishing never comes up.
Coming up with an idea is all well and good but, it just seems really unlikely that it's some kind of wish thing. Plus that would make for really shitty world building.
>oh you thought you'd get a taste of real world evolution in pokemon? Something that's rarely been seen in the series?
>nope wished, it's all fake
Its just shitty that they'd actually make an interestinf story and then destroy it all with something like wishes.
>oh you thought you'd get a taste of real world evolution in pokemon? Something that's rarely been seen in the series?
real world evolution isn’t billion old scream tail that looks very similar to modern day jigglypuff. have you forgotten every fossil pokemon gen 1-8? seeing past paradox pokemon should already raise some red flags because they aren’t fossilmons more like modern day mons put through a flintstones filter.
>real world evolution isn’t billion old scream tail except it isn't a billion years old. Occulture's lore is nothing but embellishment based on the descriptions in the book.
I said that in this post
But I take it you didn't read it.
>magically turning giant
The three raided kitakami hall and the villagers gave them their speciality mocha made with "special herbs". It's implied these were herba mystica.
Not interested in the ttgay vs. imaginationgay argument but the idea that it’s based on dream/wishes comes from random subtle hints in the game.
For example they’re called Paradox Pokémon because writings in the game imply they don’t actually exist. The best example is Slither Wing, where it’s stated that despite it supposedly being an “ancient Volcarona”, no fossil of it has ever been found. A lot of people also point to how the paradox suicune and Raikou don’t make sense (lore-wise) and don’t match what’s known about them.
Also, while it doesn’t mean it’s canon to the games, a lot of people are forgetting/don’t know that the new Pokemon anime specifically shows Terapagos using magical powers. She has to gather herself emotionally and then tries to jump across some rooftops, starts to fail, and then her hairpin turns into the turtle and it saves her. It’s not explicit that she wished to be saved but it’s implied it happens because of her strong emotional reaction and desire to get away.
people were also making comparisons to Made in Abyss at the time too. it’s eerily similar
and the disk picture for comparison
Briar implied that the Scarlet/Violet Book was deliberately censored, I want to meet the idiot that thought “let me just block out singular letters that still leave it clear what the word was” was a good censorship job.
god i am so ready for satan terapagos
i wanna start getting into this occult schizo shit more it's so fricking cool
Not just satan but the demiurge is also basically used to address the idea of evil of god in the bible. saying that the old testament yahweh is a false god that and I quote:
>is an artisan-like figure responsible for fashioning and maintaining the physical universe.
While you have the all-loving god that sent down jesus in the new testament. So the idea would be that Terapagos is a counterpart to Arceus hence why it’s so heavily related to being every single type. Arceus’ Multitype is a symbol of divinity and Terapagos is the old testament false god/demiurge/satan counterpart.
>both monster-based franchises I follow introduced a Satan analogue at the end of their latest DLC expansion
what a coincidence
what a disappointing final boss
Gaismagorm is cool frick you
nuMonHun sucks and so do you
They made a Gorm statue?
It’s one of the blind box mini figures, they make one for almost every monster.
>>it's not like we see wishes being granted
>the "time machine" the professor wished for
>the other self the professor wished for
>Paradox Pokemon existing in Area Zero before the "time machine" was ever made
>now people seeing dead loved ones in Kitakami
>the loyal three becoming their ideal selves via their chains
>the loyal three coming back to life to conveniently prove Ogerpon's innocence
>Pokemon changing their types to what they wish they were
>herba mystica doing whatever the frick you want if you eat it
>>the "time machine" the professor wished for
>>the other self the professor wished for
These were explicitly built by humans.
Pokemon existing in Area Zero before the "time machine" was ever made
This just outright doesn't make sense unless you have a time machine to send them to the past.
>now people seeing dead loved ones in Kitakami
That's folklore
>the loyal three becoming their ideal selves via their chains
You just said it was the chains and not a wish. It's basically just drugs.
>the loyal three coming back to life to conveniently prove Ogerpon's innocence
But no one wanted them to come back to life and between the ms8n cast everyone at the time of their revival wanted to keep it quiet
>Pokemon changing their types to what they wish they were
You van change Tera Types with the crystal, what the pokemon wants isn't a factor and unless it's a pokemon that was affected by the energy it's Tera type is usually what it already is
>herba mystica doing whatever the frick you want if you eat it
They have defined effects, they've never just been random like that.
Anon, you're just making shit up.
>This just outright doesn't make sense unless you have a time machine to send them to the past.
They existed before anyone went into Area Zero, anon. The Scarlet/Violet books were written well before the Professor ever went down there or built the Time Machine.
Part of why they’re called “Paradox” Pokémon. They shouldn’t have been able to exist or be there if they require time travel.
>These were explicitly built by humans
And they use the crystals as the medium, all the tech is just the professor trying to make sense of it
>This just outright doesn't make sense unless you have a time machine to send them to the past
They shouldn't exist before the "time machine" does. It can't send living things, the professor told you this. It can only bring things back.
>That's folklore
They wouldn't give you this information multiple times if it wasn't relevant to the story in more ways than just being set dressing, it can even line up with Arven meeting his parents in Area Zero and then telling him they loved him
>You just said it was the chains and not a wish
The chains and Momo are the result of the wish being granted, just like Paradox Pokemon
>no one wanted them to come back to life and between the main cast everyone at the time of their revival wanted to keep it quiet
Kieran definitely did NOT want to keep the truth about Ogerpon quiet
>You can change Tera Types with the crystal, what the pokemon wants isn't a factor
Longstanding lore of Pokemon dictates that Pokemon will change to reflect their trainers, what the trainer desires the Pokemon will also desire
>They have defined effects
Like turning you into a giant, healing all diseases, and letting trainers warp reality to encounter whatever kind of Pokemon they want?
>And they use the crystals as the medium
Anon, they just use the crystals as a power source.
>The crystals' power is tremendous! Their unstable output made our corporate backers fret, but...
>If we can harness this energy, it will open up research possibilities we'd only dreamed of.
>At last, paradise will be ours to create.
It's not magic, they're just batteries. Massively powerful batteries.
>They shouldn't exist before the "time machine" does
They don't?
I don't think you understand the implications of time travel. An event in the past can happen after an event in the future now using a machine meaning that the paradox mon can first appear in the present and then in the past.
It's pretty common in time travel stories.
>multiple times
Multiple? You only see it once on the board. It doesn't come up anywhere else.
> it can even line up with Arven meeting his parents in Area Zero and then telling him they loved him
He didn't see them anon. He spoke to the AI which was a copy of the professor.
You're grouping two completely different things together acting as if they're related.
>The chains and Momo are the result of the wish being granted
But the chains aren't granting a wish via magic, like I said it's just drugs. Okidogi is using the chain like steroids.
>Kieran definitely did NOT want to keep the truth about Ogerpon quiet
He did. Until you went on the mask quest he didn't care about spreading the truth, he just wanted to be friends with the ogre. Even after that he was trying to convince the villagers to gain Ogrepon's favor not because he wanted to let them in on it.
>Longstanding lore of Pokemon dictates that Pokemon will change to reflect their trainers, what the trainer desires the Pokemon will also desire
You're just saying you're wrong now. That completely disregards what you said about it being the Pokemon's desire.
>Like turning you into a giant,
This is mentioned in the book.
>drugs that selectively do something different
>okidogi becomes more muscular (the only fitting thing in this schizo theory)
>munokidori somehow gains more intelligence from drugs
>fenzandipiti somehow becomes more beautiful because drugs
>drugs that selectively do something different
Anon, they're placed on different parts of the body to reflect their effects and it even says their effects in the dex.
>After all its muscles were stimulated by the toxic chain around its neck, Okidogi transformed and gained a powerful physique.
>The chain is made from toxins that enhance capabilities. It stimulated Munkidori's brain and caused the Pokémon's psychic powers to bloom
>Fezandipiti owes its beautiful looks and lovely voice to the toxic stimulants emanating from the chain wrapped around its body.
Also
somehow becomes more beautiful because drugs
Botox is literally a poison drug used to "enhance" beauty. And if Okidogi is steroids the only one unaccounted for is Munki because of course there's no real life brain enhancing drug.
>It's the only power source in existence apparently that can enable time travel, just because okay? It is NOT magic, despite being tied explicitly to a legendary Pokemon that is potentially Arceus tier.
>The time machine sent Pokemon to the past, even though the professor would have no reason to do that and there'd be no machine to accidentally receive the Pokemon in the past!
>It was only the sign okay, ignore Carmine mentioning it or NPCs in Kitakami telling you the same thing.
>What do you MEAN a wish granting magic that has to use workarounds like a monkey's paw would manifest an AI clone of his parents after his parent also wished for another of themselves?
>But the chains aren't granting a wish via magic, even though the specifically grant what the user of the chain desires. Let's just ignore where the chains came from, okay?
>He did.
Not even gonna strawman this one. You're a fricking subhuman moron if you think compliance with secrecy is the same as a personal desire to keep a secret.
>catch a Pokemon with a tera
>I want the tera to be something different
>the Pokemon loves me and wants what I want
>can change
And before you go "but muh meals!" Bro, that's just a game mechanic, bro. It's irrelevant bro, like herba mystica sandwiches warping reality, bro.
>Not even gonna strawman this one.
You literally started with a strawman.
>It's the only power source in existence apparently
That anon didn't say it was the only source of power that's some Black person shit YOU made up because making him look like he's wrong is easier than tackling his arguments because you're a fricking moron.
Not to mention this isn't the first time in the series a massive power source has been used to alter time and space. Remember infinity energy? The thing they were going to use to tear open a huge wormhole in space and time to move a meteor?
No one had an issue with that but oh NOW it's a problem because you can't understand anything that isn't LMAO MAGIC!
Frick giving logical reasons to everything let's just say it was magic
Deoxys isn't a mutant virus, it's just magic.
Z moves aren't necrozma's lost energy it's just light magic
Mega evolution isn't a meteorite charged with energy, it's just rock magic
Groudon and Kyogre don't have weather abilities, it's just sky magic.
Fossils aren't revived through science it's just technology magic.
Everything is fricking magic when you don't give a shit.
Frick you, and frick your stupid nonsense imagination bullshit. I can't wait until the last dlc comes out and I get to see your have a nice day because you can't wish yourself outside of your Hispanic favela hut.
Learn to read, I strawmanned each point except the one about Kieran.
mindbroken
Don't let it get to you. The guy is literally a Hispanic who can't into English.
Just ignore him and talk to the people who actually want to discuss the game and let him live in his own imagination.
samegayging replying to yourself, really? that’s pathetic man
Do you think everyone that isn't you is the same person?
In this case, yes
>Wish to not be hungry
>A chick subway sandwich materializes in front of me
>NO THE WISH DIDN'T DO ANYTHING IT WAS THE SANDWICH
>healing all diseases,
This is something you made up, I mean another anon literally listed the specific effects to you.
>and letting trainers warp reality to encounter whatever kind of Pokemon they want?
And this is just a game mechanic and not lore. All food has specific effects, would you say that they're wishing magic as well?
I don't understand why you keep on ignoring what the game says. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Reminder that the canon explanation for terastilization is that the Pokemon is becoming its ideal self
Reminder that the canon explanation is that all pokemon exposed to Terapagos energy gained the ability. That's why you can change it with Tera crystals.
So who put the Pandora's Box from Professor Layton in Kitakami? Watch it be something similar to this game, where the toxins released by Glimmora/Dokutaro cause mass hallucinations.
Indigo Disc is going to have Arven look directly into the camera and say "It... wasn't a time machine? This place just... granted my parent's wishes... because of that Pokemon?" and morons here will still be saying it was time travel.
I like how only you think that bad writing and shitting on the game's established rules and themes is a good thing
So if it really is a time machine, why is it only grabbing the pokemon mentioned in the books? Why no Walking Wakes or Iron Leaves? Hell, why isn't Sada's time machine accidentally grabbing other ancient pokemon? Surely if she's just blindly tossing masterballs into it, she'd have accidentally nabbed a few Tyrantrums or Kabutops too
>why is it only grabbing the pokemon mentioned in the books?
1) it's a video game, it'll always have a finite amount of monsters
2) series of events. They're in the book because those are the ones that were first pulled through in the present not the other way around.
In time travel stories linear time no longer applies
Not OP but:
>1) it's a video game, it'll always have a finite amount of monsters
Irrelevant argument - they could have always added more if they wanted to, and in fact, they already have, with Walking Wake and Iron Leaves, and in addition to that, both of them are described as:
>resembles a sketch made by a member of the Area Zero Expedition in the Scarlet Book
Which the game already confirms the sketch is fake:
>A drawing of a fantastical Pokémon as envisioned by our sketch artist. The size and ferocity of the strange Pokémon that dwell in Area Zero's lower reaches tickled the artist's imagination, prompting this sketch of what other species that inhabit these depths might look like.
>2) series of events. They're in the book because those are the ones that were first pulled through in the present not the other way around. In time travel stories linear time no longer applies.
They weren’t pulled through by any Time Machine. The known paradox Pokémon had already existed in Area Zero before any Time Machine was made. They existed before any person had gone to Area Zero. Heath was the first person to document them.
>Surprisingly, the Pokémon species we observed in the upper strata of Area Zero seemed little different from those seen outside the crater.
> As we descended further into Area Zero, we began to catch glimpses of mysterious Pokémon—though we wondered if these huge, ferocious beasts were indeed Pokémon at all. One of our team suffered a brutal blow from such a beast and was mortally wounded, forcing us to retreat for a time. A member of the survey team captured this photograph by chance. I notice a passing resemblance to the Pokémon known as Donphan, yet differences such as its sheer size and the shape of its back set it apart—as do its great tusks.
>Irrelevant argument
Hardly. Whether there's 20 or 200 that same argument could be used
>only 200? Why was it just those and not paradox ditto?
It's an argument that will always exist because there's no logical answer other than gameplay limitations. Even now you're using it as an argument despite the fact that they're adding six more that were never mentioned in the book or Occulture.
a sketch made by a member of the Area Zero Expedition in the Scarlet Book
The only problem with that is that they have no resemblance to the sketches having features unique to themselves, this is more obvious with the paradox beasts.
It's also worth noting that they completely dripped that angle for Raikou and Cobalion.
>Which the game already confirms the sketch is fake:
That's the way you're interpreting it now, with the new information, the existence of the paradox swords and beasts you can say the artist was inspired by them combining aspects into the sketch rather than the other way around and it still works perfectly.
>They weren’t pulled through by any Time Machine
Yes they were. This is why I specifically said "series of events"
You're seeing it as
>paradox appear in the past > written into the book > inspires professor > time machine built > paradoxes pulled through
When it's non linear. We know the paradoxes can only appear via a time machine making it
>paradoxes pulled through > sent 200 years ago > appear in the past > written into the book > inspires professor > time machine built > paradoxes pulled through
This is a bootstrap paradox with no beginning or end and not only is it what the pokemon themselves refer to but what Arven alludes to at the end.
>Hardly. Whether there's 20 or 200 that same argument could be used. It's an argument that will always exist because there's no logical answer other than gameplay limitations. Even now you're using it as an argument despite the fact that they're adding six more that were never mentioned in the book or Occulture.
That’s kind of my point? The fact it can always be argued makes it irrelevant. My argument about the programming was that saying “well it’s a limitation” doesn’t mean it’s inherently linked to the lore. Saying “it’s still time travel it’s just those because of programming limitations” is just as valid as the opposite argument. Technically, we’re both assigning meaning to the number being programmed in when we don’t really have that authority.
What we do know is that those are the only ones recorded in the books and seen by Heath’s team, and they’re the only ones you see when you go. If more existed, why wouldn’t Heath’s team write about it? If the Time Machine is still pulling Pokémon from the past/future why is it only those and not any other Pokemon and just referenced by lore. The Raidons came through, despite not being recorded, so why aren’t there more Raidons and only two ever recorded?
>Saying “it’s still time travel it’s just those because of programming limitations” is just as valid as the opposite argument.
That's not how it works, you can say its time travel despite the limitations because the game says it's time travel in the story, lore and theme. Everything ties into it.
You can't say it's not time travel because because there's a finite amount because those are the only pokemon that are currently programmed in the game. It has nothing to do with the lore or story, it's just what they chose to make.
>but we’ve been to the known depths of Area Zero and they didn’t exist
Anon, we've seen trailers of them inside area zero. It's going to happen in the dlc for some reason.
You're acting as if the entire story of SV is done when we have a final chapter to go through.
I don't understand the argument you're even trying to make here because there's no logic to it.
>Why would the expedition team go out of their way to document the other paradox Pokémon, based off random common Pokemon, and would take the time to document what they state is deliberately from the artist’s imagination, but would not document seeing alternative versions of legendaries.
We don't know if they have or haven't. In the actual journal proper we only have a page of the first encounter with Donphan and the cover depicting the box legend.
There are a bunch of pages in the book that the copy in the lobby doesn't show us.
For example, there are descriptions for each paradox but we don't see them, we only know they exist because Occulture says that their articles are based on those unseen pages.
Same with the Herba Mystica, we have one page that gives a general description but the details come from pages Arven tells us about.
It's not out of the realm of imagination that other Occulture books could appear at blueberry especially given that Briar showed us the unedited pages of the Book.
>The only problem with that is that they have no resemblance to the sketches having features unique to themselves, this is more obvious with the paradox beasts. It's also worth noting that they completely dripped that angle for Raikou and Cobalion.
Yeah, that’s kind of the point though. The game is outright stating that this paradox hybrid of the beasts/musketeers don’t actually exist and it’s just an idea of what could, but here comes Wake/Bolt and Leaves/Crown out of nowhere, undocumented, but we’ve been to the known depths of Area Zero and they didn’t exist. Unless someone at Blueberry Academy went to Area Zero, deeper than what was known to exist, came back with those Pokemon, and never told a single soul or was never seen/caught?
>That's the way you're interpreting it now, with the new information, the existence of the paradox swords and beasts you can say the artist was inspired by them combining aspects into the sketch rather than the other way around and it still works perfectly.
That’s not really logical. Why would the expedition team go out of their way to document the other paradox Pokémon, based off random common Pokemon, and would take the time to document what they state is deliberately from the artist’s imagination, but would not document seeing alternative versions of legendaries.
>Maybe they did and the Occulture magazines didn’t write about them!
Then why would they have treated the first new paradoxes as something not known/discovered?
>This is a bootstrap paradox with no beginning or end and not only is it what the pokemon themselves refer to but what Arven alludes to at the end.
What Arven alludes to at the end is very much in line with the idea that the paradox Pokémon existing are from the Professor’s desire:
>Oh well! I'm sure it's all just made up anyway! But my momS/dadV believed that nonsense—and even managed to make it a reality. I guess sheS/heV really was something!
>>What Arven alludes to at the end is very much in line with the idea that the paradox Pokémon existing are from the Professor’s desire:
You can't ignore the previous lines
>"In fact, I think it might've been this book that made my mom/dad want to become a researcher. I bet she/he got so fixated with the ancient/future Pokémon she/he read about in here that it made her/him want to see one for herself/himself."
>"Wait, hold on... Isn't my mom's/dad's time machine the whole reason the ancient/future Pokémon ended up here in the first place? This book is from way before she/he made the time machine, but it mentions ancient/future Pokémon. Isn't that kinda...weird? ... ... ..."
He's outright describing a bootstrap paradox.
Also while the next line does refer to their desires and dreams the rest of the game doesn't say anything about anything granting it. The time machine was a result of research and toil. Every story in the game was.
>That's not how it works, you can say it’s time travel despite the limitations because the game says it's time travel in the story, lore and theme. Everything ties into it. You can't say it's not time travel because there's a finite amount because those are the only pokemon that are currently programmed in the game. It has nothing to do with the lore or story, it's just what they chose to make.
You can absolutely say that when the game has many subtle hints that it may not actually be time travel.
>The game is only literal when it supports my ideas and ambiguous when it doesn’t.
> Anon, we've seen trailers of them inside area zero. It's going to happen in the dlc for some reason. You're acting as if the entire story of SV is done when we have a final chapter to go through. I don't understand the argument you're even trying to make here because there's no logic to it.
It’s a continuation of a story that established to our knowledge they don’t exist in Area Zero. Now they’re existing, despite the Time Machine being gone.
> We don't know if they have or haven't. In the actual journal proper we only have a page of the first encounter with Donphan and the cover depicting the box legend. There are a bunch of pages in the book that the copy in the lobby doesn't show us. For example, there are descriptions for each paradox but we don't see them, we only know they exist because Occulture says that their articles are based on those unseen pages.
Except they treat Wake/Leaves as something that’s not been discovered before. There is no logic behind that if they were known.
> He's outright describing a bootstrap paradox. Also while the next line does refer to their desires and dreams the rest of the game doesn't say anything about anything granting it. The time machine was a result of research and toil. Every story in the game was.
You’re choosing to just dismiss the line so it fits with your theory, what you’re claiming I did with the first two.
>You can absolutely say that when the game has many subtle hints that it may not actually be time travel.
Anon, there are no subtle hints saying otherwise and even if there was there's no evidence for magical wish granting.
Like I said everyone's desire was fulfilled through hard work.
Nemona stalked you into being her perfect rival.
You and Arven hunted down the Herba Mystica.
Penny and Team Star stopped their bullying problem with their own plan
The professor and her team built the time machine.
>The game is only literal when it supports my ideas and ambiguous when it doesn’t.
What? Anon, there's literal sentences and then there's subtext. None of them support the imagination theory.
>It’s a continuation of a story that established to our knowledge they don’t exist in Area Zero. Now they’re existing, despite the Time Machine being gone.
The time machine isn't gone, it was shut down but completely functional.
With this point it doesn't really matter what explanation you go with because in both imagination and time travel the time machine is essential to the appearance of of paradoxes being a 3d printer for them in the former. You have to accept that it's going to be reactivated regardless.
>Except they treat Wake/Leaves as something that’s not been discovered before
They don't. There's no information about them in game.
By that same logic Charizard and the other mightiest mark mon were being treated as a pokemon that was never discovered before as well since they don't have dex entries or mentions in game.
You need to use some logic here anon.
>You’re choosing to just dismiss the line
Anon, I'm saying you can't disregard the line before that goes into far more detail and alludes to something that can happen with a time machine.
You're basically saying it doesn't count because the character says
>oh I don't get it!
One is a throwaway line that's in line with character, the other is blatant foreshadowing.
Lacey is Taro.
The Peach is related to her.
>It's time trav-ACK!
Wait... these three are zombies?
they were brought back to life and aren't ghost type, instead being all part poison
>toxic chain is drugs
>herba is cannabis
>tera is literally crystal meth
wow i figured it out
Momo is a mutated form of Glimmora and thus tied to the Terastal phenomenon and Terapagos btw
to add on, momo is a peach ready for harvesting. the professor harvested mature glimmora peaches and fashioned them into tera orbs which is why every hat has eyes on them.
but did they actually die or were just slumbering tho
Well they said they were dead so I guess they were dead.
Then again this is the same game that didn't say anything about the professor being a man made machine.
They weren't dead, they shrunk and were hibernating under the statues.
>As warm-blooded animals, primates (except lemurs) do not naturally hibernate or even experience torpor
Bullshit.
They died.
I can see momo amping their chains to revive them
The villagers were dumb
Just you.
Geeta is alien. They are already among us WAKE UP SHEEPLE
My takeaway is that when Ogrepon Teras, it's the mask that's terastalizing. When you use the orb it's the pokemon terastalizing like how wild pokemon do it.
Ogerpon terastalizes as well, it's just that masks act as the hat.