So now that BG3 swept TGA, can we agree that turn based combat being bad is just cope? The truth is FF just sucks now and squeenix are visionless.
Larian, Atlus, even indiegays like the people who made Chained Echoes run circles around them.
So now that BG3 swept TGA, can we agree that turn based combat being bad is just cope?
>ff16 dropped turn based
>flops
>yakuza adopted turn based
>becomes their worldwide best seller
hmmm
>Release in 2020
>Still hasn't broke 1m sales after going turnbased
Dead genre kek
lad is fricking trash and ruined the series
the combat is possibly the worst turn based system ever conceived, but its still the highest selling in the series.
>highest selling in the series
lad was the first yakuza game to be released on multiple platforms instead of just the playstation, and the series gained popularity after zero with lad being the next major release. and keep in mind judgment sold way over expectation and was successful mainly due to lad being a menu game.
>lad was the first yakuza game to be released on multiple platforms instead of just the playstation
you couldve bothered doing surface level googling before talking out of your ass.
>Persona 5 and SMT are still turn based
>They're doing extremely well
Really makes you think
>personna always was turn based
>P5 pretty much became zoomer's FF7
No shit people have been saying this since they dropped the turn based formula.
BG3 didn't win because it was turn-based
It won IN SPITE of being turn-based
this
See how no one gave a frick about Xenoblade 3 dlc or Octopath traveler 2
Even FE Engage got robbed for being srpg and looking japanese as frick
This is the same cope people pull with Pokemon to handwave it being a massively successful JRPG franchise. Yet how well do Pokemon spinoffs tend to do saleswise?
RPGs cant be real time combat.
This is just fact. Some idiots call them RPGs but this is wrong.
RPG actions are determined by character skills checks. This is the core Role Playing point. But in the case of the real time DEX checks are essentially not for character but for player thus player cant play character, player plays himself and this is not RPG.
Trying to turn RPG into real time is gatekeeping out of role playing all auditory with low DEX stats (IE 80% of gamers).
This. Nobody cares about the shitty gameplay in Baldur's Slop 3. Game journalists love the fact that BG3 is a virtual porn novel where you can have gay sex with bears and squid men.
>WAAAAAAH WAAAAH
I don't even know About FF16. I thought that was another expansion for FF14 or FF Remake.
Turn based can be good if it is tactical. FF has rarely if ever had tactical interesting turn based combat.
Turn based with battlefield movement (Heroes of Might and Magic, XCom, BG3): good
Turn based without (JRPG): bad
Simple as.
what about the jrpgs with battlefield movement?
This. Even adding a small arena and some positional and ground effects GREATLY expands the potential for interesting boss fights.
Yep
Turn based is fine 1990s turn based in 2020 is worn out
SE still make somewhat good turn based shit like TriStrat and BD
FF is just visionless yeah
Shut up, Barry
Yoshida was just straight up Wrong about turn-based games, yeah.
Probably the biggest foot the man's ever shoved in his mouth
Barry won
they just got lucky with 11 and 13 but then decided to dumb it down even more and now we have this garbage
I will never buy another FF game unless it's turn based, even FF7.. but I will pirate it to see yuffie :^)
Justice for FF1-13
No for real they could have just built upon what they got going on their gameplay with 10 or 12
Final Fantasy as a series has always been embarrassed that it's an RPG series. That it had turn based combat. It's why it tried stuff like the old ATB system. It wanted to escape being turn based, in any way it could, and ditched the combat system the first opportunity it got.
In some part, I can almost understand it. Final Fantasy, as a series, was always more popular overseas than it was in its home country. Dragon Quest dominated there. And overseas market alleged to HATE turn based combat. This attitude is still visible to this day. When people talk about turn based combat, they have to add qualifiers to it. "This isn't NORMAL turn based combat, it has this gimmick that totally makes it a different thing!" or if it lacks the gimmick, the sales pitch becomes "it may be turn based combat, but X thing makes it tolerable." Of course, often it's not as overt, but that's the overall tone. Turn based combat is something to be "fixed" in eyes of normal western gamers. That's not to say they don't enjoy turn based combat, they do, but the attitude and impression in people's minds is that it's primitive and needs shit like the environmental interactions of Larian games or whatever to justify why something so primitive can be "good" to the masses.
This is an attitude that has hurt Final Fantasy the most, out of all game franchises. It's an attitude missing in Final Fantasy's home country, words like "generic" aren't common and not associated with such negativity as they are in English. It is why there's such a difference in the legacy of these two JRPG progenitors. Dragon Quest continues to be celebrated. Its latest entries are among its most celebrated. It continues to be just normal turn based combat, in medieval settings, features heroes on quests to beat evil with stories featuring familial bonds, rather than 30 dimension hopping time loop meta story with combat trying to be something else as Final Fantasy has become.
why the frick are you so fricking obsessed with ff16?
I thought Barry only hated xiv? I like that game and hate 16 is all
>The truth is FF just sucks now
It always sucked
Your thread is gonna get deleted again and you will make another because you're obsessed with this game.
Turn based combat is boring 90's game design jank which should be thrown into the waste bin of history!
>Chained Echoes
Is this good?
Or is it just one of those, uhh... western-made "jrpg" kinda thing.
FF16 sucks not because its not turn based but because it's DMC combat.
All they had to do was take FF7Rs combat and use that. It's fricking perfect blend of old and new. 10/10
Just use the FF7RE combat system for a wholly new game.
BG3 won because it's a LGBT propaganda platform, no other reason really. There exists no more pozzed piece of shit game so the journos, quite obviously, and the mentally ill americans need to give it game of the year. 🙂
>BG3 won because it's a LGBT propaganda platform,
No one cares about your cope, troony. Frick off to your literal troon / non-binary character creator and every side npc couple being gay with Gale trying to assrape you every second cutscene. Don't forget the men with pussies too.
>men with pussies
What? I-Is this in the game?
how many awards did flopspoken win?
>xvi is competing with flopspoken now
EHEEHEHEH
Sadly flopspoken didnt have the "i survived cancer" buff
Dead studios can't have their games nominated
call it cope but people that say BG3 is GOTY are mostly people that didnt play the game
not that the game isnt great, but the game is proof that word of mouth is a powerful phenomenon that warps the perception of something in the minds of normalgays.
Waiting on Kawazu kino.
So how much will this sell? 10 millions? Seeing how you weebshitters are latching onto BG3 now
It will sell 150k in Japan only and flop like SMRPG did
>flop like SMRPG did
>Less than valorant gift card
Gigaflop confirmed
>Ps5 is outsold by roblox giftcards
Correct and PS5 is also a well known flop which is 5 places higher than SMRPG which further confirms the massive failure of SMRPG.
kek you actually think it is successful becasue of the gameplay?
lmao you fricking moron
it is a glorified dating simulator. nobody on earth gives a shit about its piss easy turn based combat
go back to your souls
99% of your time in BG3 is spent in conversations. The combat is genuine horseshit and everyone knows it.
japs are terrible at making tbc games, that's a fact; all good tbc games came from the west (which is now pozzed and incompetent and no longer makes them with few exceptions)
I can't think of anything that's backfired harder
lmao frick square, lmao frick snoy
FF games became dogshit slop when they switched to ATB from TBC.
Modded FF9 with TBC is the best FF game.
BG3 got lucky. and will be the only one hit wonder. guarantee BG3 will be forgotten by next year.
Delusional, it has better legs than The Witcher 3.
Meanwhile every single "turn based" game that wasn't BG3 that released this year flopped, including Warhammer Rogue Trade which released yesterday.
No other "turn based" game even won an award.
It's like there is some other factor for BG3 success... whatever could it be.
BG3 was loved in spite of the turn-based combat, not because of it.
What it proves is that turn-based is not a deal breaker if you can be great in other areas.
If you were to make Final Fantasy turn-based again, it'd still have all the same issues that modern FFs have at the moment
> A, can we agree that turn based combat being bad is just cope?
Of course it’s cope, Pokemon is turn-based and it’s the most successful RPG series ever. It’s always been ridiculous cope.
Pokemon isn't great because of turn-based. People deal with it because it's Pokemon.
Hell, being an unoptimized buggy mess and being a bad game is not enough for people to NOT buy Pokemon as we've seen recently.
Pokemon Go has made them the most money without any combat.
Barry just keeps winning