>blizzard's incredibly well designed launcher will be weighed down with bloat
Wakey wakey lil sleepy, its 2023 now, not 2012 anymore. the launcher has been a mess for like 5 years.
>When it first launched
it was made by the people who then founded arenanet, which is made up entirely of people that left blizzard a LONG TIME AGO, you stupid zoom zoom Black personhomosexual, it's like pretending that the arkane that made PREY and the arkane that made troonyfall are the same people, kys
WoW was doing fine 10 years ago, it isn't doing so well now so it's definitely time for an upgrade, especially with all these new MMOs coming out that are lightyears ahead in quality.
Because they can't. They're pouring money into a dead project. It's much better to just put WoW on maintenance mode and continue to milk the morons still subbed.
League, Valorant, etc. might suck total ass but they are some of the most popular games in the world. Say what you will but Riot knows how to make games, just not good games
I'm talking about arr.
People pretend like they're the same game for obvious reasons but 1.0 and 2.0 are almost entirely different games, it wouldn't be unfair to call it a "xiv 2"(.0)
Again that was because original XIV was fundamentally broken.
Current wow isn't so it doesn't need to be shut down and reworked.
If anything wow is being gradually improved so a sequel/rework doesn't make sense.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>gradually improved
how do you morons say this shit
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If anything wow is being gradually improved so a sequel/rework doesn't make sense.
just like the last five expansions where they "were listening to the fans this time!" right?
10 months ago
Anonymous
it is improving. people that play it, love it
the only ones constantly shitting on it at every corner are exwow gays desperately trying to convince themselves that their decision to quit wow and sink their life into another piece of garbage was a good one
hence why every wow thread has the same usual suspects seething
10 months ago
Anonymous
>the only ones constantly shitting on it at every corner are exwow gays
the only ones shitting on WC3R are ex-WC3 gays
10 months ago
Anonymous
3000 upvotes on the wow reddit, I guess wow is saved >they remembered wow is an rpg not an esport
that's why there's a wow world first race, a m+ invitational tournament, and an arena world championship and those are the only wow related events blizzard puts a single ounce of effort or money into besides developing the game or putting things on its cash shop
10 months ago
Anonymous
>They're listening this time! >It shows they know what made the game good!
said the same battered housewife every expansion for the past 5+ years
10 months ago
Anonymous
that reddit post was bait btw. a guy from r/wowcirclejerk made it to mock morons who spout meaningless buzzwords and praise blizz for doing anything. read that title and try to explain what the frick it actually means. you cant
10 months ago
Anonymous
That's actually kind of sad if true.
10 months ago
Anonymous
its true. heres his reddit account. you can take a look for yourself
https://www.reddit.com/user/AttitudeAdjusterSE/submitted/
10 months ago
Anonymous
>improved
bro, explain why everybody I used to play with it is saying the game is dying? insane q times for basic shit because nobody is participating.
10 months ago
Anonymous
works fine on my machine
10 months ago
Anonymous
>dungeon finder is content
lmao they pay morons to post here
10 months ago
Anonymous
:>NOOOOOOOOO THIS QUEUE DOESN'T COUNT ABORT ABORT ABORT!!!!!
10 months ago
Anonymous
doing a random dungeon isn't content. rated pvp content of all sorts is fricking dead bro, look at the M+ numbers too. i know people still playing that admit it, why can't you? LMAO
10 months ago
Anonymous
Fighting that god damned tree right at the start of the gme made the rest of the game feel rather simple, at least for a good while.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I really want to bully this "man" to suicide.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Are you serious? PvP is dying, raiding is dying, and even M+ is seeing a dropoff. But you can queue as a tank and get fast queues in the utterly irrelevant LFD since there are so many DPS waiting for a tank, since there so few tanks since so many people aren't participating, and that makes you think the game is "healthy"? Legit brain dead, but then again, you play WoW in the current year, so, yeah.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>PvP is dying
nope. >raiding is dying
see
ummmmm sis?
your numbers are kind of off...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#difficulty=4®ion=1
>M+ is seeing a dropoff
completely normal. also d4 ate into it + its very easy now to gear up so you dont need to spam m+ like a madman
10 months ago
Anonymous
>random bg
you're just a fricking moron. we're talking about rated here you dumb ape
10 months ago
Anonymous
GOALPOST STATUS?
10 months ago
Anonymous
your ability to read status? pvp isn't random bgs you esl ape
10 months ago
Anonymous
god i fricking hate women.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Now try queueing for non-bot content like Solo Shuffle. Thought so.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Do you actually engage with any real content in the game? Like, rated BGs or Arena or raiding or high M+? Because you are posting random queues that no one but the most brain dead players even engage with as proof the game is "alive", are you even aware of how much dropoff exists in the actual, gear progressing parts of the game at this point? What is your rating this season? What about your raid progress? Because there's no way you can be claiming the game isn't having problems with participation if you are involved in any of the actual high end content which is the true meat of the game.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i'm not into pvp minigames, i just do some bgs here and there
m+ and raid pugs aren't queueable last time i checked, and the group finder is always bussin
there is never a shortage of groups, so i don't know where your "having problems" comes from
10 months ago
Anonymous
So you don't actually raid, don't progress high M+, and you don't even play serious PvP of any kind. So you actually don't understand that all of those activities are seeing major drop off since you never engage with them and think that groupfinder is the real marker for how the game is doing. Yeah, we're done here.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i raid and do m+
there is never a shortage of groups
there's about 70-80 raid pugs right now at 12 AM on EU
so, where is your concern posting coming from if you dont play the game?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Post your raid progress and your M+ progress. You pulling up the groups tab does not mean you actually progress in anything, especially if your primary means of completing these activities is pugging.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>bro just dox yourself
what does that have to do with anything?
you got btfo and you again, AGAIN, move the goalpost?
what happened with your drop off larp and difficulty in finding groups?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>posting your character is doxxing yourself
jesus you're so fricking pathetic, then again what else is to be expected from a blizz shill?
10 months ago
Anonymous
how is you getting btfo making me a shill?
just because it destroys your low effort larp?
i dont get it. seek some fricking help man, its not healthy to imagine things all the time
no wonder youre asshurt when proven wrong
10 months ago
sage
you haven't proven anything, you showed some q times for dungeons and random bgs. now you can't even post your raid or arena ratings because it's doxxing lmao
10 months ago
Anonymous
you're kicking a hornet's nest here
this thread is about to be derailed until bump limit
here's his info for you
10 months ago
Anonymous
lmfao how is posting your characters M+ or raiding progress "doxxing" you technologically illiterate imbecile? If it scares you so much black out your characters name, homosexual, I guarantee you no one gives a shit about your character or you, though. Oh but of course you won't post it because you don't HAVE any actual progress in any meaningful part of the game and think random BGs are real content.
the whole premise was you concern posting about massive player dropoffs and imaginary problems in finding groups
leave that fricking goalpost alone moron
take the L and move on
10 months ago
Anonymous
Because there actually are dropoffs in the content that matters, and you would know this if you actually played any of it instead of spending your time in random BGs and LFG dungeons. Post your fricking progress if you're gonna claim you actually participate in those, which you clearly don't, because you're oblivious to the dropoff that every actual player of the game engaged in real content is dealing with right now.
10 months ago
Anonymous
posted the group finder for raids, which is less populated than m+
70-80 pugs at 12AM on a working day
move on man. i already accepted your concession
10 months ago
sage
now do pvp
10 months ago
Anonymous
seethe
10 months ago
Anonymous
t. no curve or keymaster pug shitter
Frick off moron, stop bootlicking for a game you're not even good at
10 months ago
Anonymous
You got thoroughly btfo Black person
10 months ago
Anonymous
if any crowd deserves to have m80s chucked into it, it's this one.
10 months ago
Anonymous
lmfao how is posting your characters M+ or raiding progress "doxxing" you technologically illiterate imbecile? If it scares you so much black out your characters name, homosexual, I guarantee you no one gives a shit about your character or you, though. Oh but of course you won't post it because you don't HAVE any actual progress in any meaningful part of the game and think random BGs are real content.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>pugs raids
quite pathetic. no wonder you think random bgs is actual pvp
it will go full f2p, that trading post shit is a trial run for adopting a full on ESO crown shop, the current membership will become an optional membership for bonus xp and other gameplay buffs
in short, no its dead
f2p will the best thing and only thing that will save wow the only player base left are addicted morons paying a sub on top of using the cash shop to splurge on mounts and wow tokens and even that's not enough to keep this game relevant
if they don't fire that braindead homosexual in the op wow will never be saved
not trying to imply that's all that has to be done but as long as he's in charge it will always be garbage and on life support
After completing a prestigious clerkship with Judge Raymond Randolph of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Ion Hazzikostas joined Wilmer Hale, where he worked on white collar criminal defense and internal investigations. His colleagues at the firm included a number of attorneys who played key roles in the war on terror: government officials such as Stephen W. Preston, former CIA general counsel; Jamie Gorelick, a former Deputy U.S. Attorney General and member of the CIA National Security Advisory Panel; and David S. Cohen, the current CIA Deputy Director, who, like Ion, worked on white collar criminal defense and internal investigations at Wilmer Hale’s D.C. office.
Just go down a list of activision blizz execs it’s all DOJ/CIA gays or they are adjacent to them like Ion (Wilmer hale). Wilmer hale was also the “independent” group that handled the investigation for sexual harassment btw
>who is he
Ion hazikostas, he was the leader of one of the most popular guilds in wow in the vanilla/bc/wotlk days as well as the owner/operator of one of the biggest wow theorycrafting forums
He was hired onto blizzard years ago to develop raids, and in 2016? he was promoted to the lead developer for world of warcraft. He is a boomer raidgay elitist who thinks all other content in an mmo besides endgame raiding shouldn't matter, and that is why the most worked on and spotlighted content in wow is the mythic raids and the raid world first race/leaderboards. Everything else in his game is secondary and that's a big reason why wow has been bleeding subs, because people don't want to work a full time job raiding and doing nothing else
Even when Blizzard recently did a subscriber only survey asking what people liked doing the most ingame and 70% of players said they prefer dungeons, the main focus of the game is raids and raiders are treated like higher class citizens than pvpers/m+ players
Don't forget the homosexual has a complex systems fetish where nothing is simple and has to be a constant rube goldberg treadmill of tasks and various currencies and tokens that feed into each other so there's a constant "sense of progression" that he also infamously has skipped out on whenever possible without outright abusing devtools with the game so he can go mythic raiding with his inner circle of friends and jerk off their convoluted bullshit as "the pinnacle of raiding difficulty and design" while also shitting their pants because some pair of gays make an addon that figures this moronic shit out so people aren't burning two to three months of gametime to clear a fricking theme park ride.
yeah, he is the epitome of a delusional 2000s mmo boomer who correlates grinding hours and the logistical aspect of getting 20+ people together to raid like a part time job is the peak of skill in video gaming
and that's why wow is filled with delusional clicker 30+yo morons who think they're amazing at the game because they raidlog two days a week, its a game made by and for someone exactly like them
>Don't forget the homosexual has a complex systems fetish where nothing is simple and has to be a constant rube goldberg treadmill of tasks and various currencies and tokens that feed into each other so there's a constant "sense of progression"
when has this EVER existed in wow? ive never seen a wow system that was actually complex
Don't forget the homosexual has a complex systems fetish where nothing is simple and has to be a constant rube goldberg treadmill of tasks and various currencies and tokens that feed into each other so there's a constant "sense of progression" that he also infamously has skipped out on whenever possible without outright abusing devtools with the game so he can go mythic raiding with his inner circle of friends and jerk off their convoluted bullshit as "the pinnacle of raiding difficulty and design" while also shitting their pants because some pair of gays make an addon that figures this moronic shit out so people aren't burning two to three months of gametime to clear a fricking theme park ride.
yeah, he is the epitome of a delusional 2000s mmo boomer who correlates grinding hours and the logistical aspect of getting 20+ people together to raid like a part time job is the peak of skill in video gaming
and that's why wow is filled with delusional clicker 30+yo morons who think they're amazing at the game because they raidlog two days a week, its a game made by and for someone exactly like them
That's insane. Because Vanilla wow was a success BECAUSE it was so much mor casual than every other MMO on the market. That was the whole point, and the irony that some c**t like Ion shows up to frick everything back how old MMOs were is ridiculous. it's irony.
Imagine theme parks were advertising the most intense roller coasters but one theme park became the biggest of them all because they didn't focus on roller coasters, they made something for everyone. Then a guy gets selected to be in charge and starts replacing everything for just roller coasters. Then customers drop and they struggle to figure what the frick happen because the guy in charge lives in a bubble.
i mean there are literal drug zombie addicts who buy 200 dollars in tokens every month and play 60+ hours a week because they threw away the past 18 years of their lives to be a "hardcore wow raider"
blizzard doesn't care about getting new players, they only care about keeping those wretches hooked and incapable of quitting. and ion is really good at keeping them trapped
>A pig was put in charge of a house and it got covered in shit >but the pig doesn't care because he likes shit and only wants to deal with customers attracted to shit
10 months ago
Anonymous
a majority of wow's revenue comes from wow tokens and new players aren't buying 15 of those a month
10 months ago
Anonymous
But it doesn't make up for dropping subs in total. I still think they make less money then they did at their peak
The hardcore raiders aren't even the ones that do this. I know about 5 people who I see on my bnet friendlist playing WoW every single day, playing since fricking vanilla, and none of them are big-time raiders. Just casuals and pvpers
raiders dont do that lol. raiders raid for 10 hours a week and never log in to do anything else. they have infinite money from selling carries and dont need to buy tokens. its the gigacasuals who play for 60 hours a week and buy tokens. i dont know what they do all day
10 months ago
Anonymous
>infinite money from selling carries
its not legion anymore where your group could charge 400k for aotc, a lot of people who push io or hall of fame raid do not sell carries and a lot of them buy tokens to upkeep their consumables and crafted gear since the game does not give you nearly enough gold to do that unless you want to farm like a slave
10 months ago
Anonymous
even if you arent selling carries, getting a single mythic boe every tier is more than enough to fund you forever
It's so strange. I want to laugh at them, but I can't. Its just so miserable, because you can see clearly how their father figure is a streamer or youtuber. It serves as a grim reminder that there is a level of brainwashing which is just inhuman, and these are just modern day mk ultra victims
He is the reason why WoW is at this shit state, he is fan of the "9 realms of power" bullshit with all in constant conflict, chaos, void, fel, homossexuality, order, light and the others that I dont remember, the day he said that he liked that all the next expansions were focused on this shit plot, even BFA that was supposed to be "classic Horde vs Alliance" turned into cosmos shit as always.
Microsoft let Halo die, why would they save WoW?
If anything they will demand a console version and kill off the game for good by dumbing it down for a gamepad. The one thing WoW has over XIV is it's not designed for the stupid PS3.
blizzard added an over the shoulder action camera mode in like wod I think then removed the option to do it but you can still toggle it with an addon, likewise there are controller addons already
They knew what people wanted. The original concept of halo 4 was scrapped because it was "too halo". The problem is they want to evolve the concept of halo rather than give people what they want
Halo 4 campaign is still better than 2 and 3 though. Gunplay is better. The things you get to do in the campaign are better like riding on top of a monster truck and piloting a mech and a freakin' pelican. You don't have to play as the enemy. There's no rapping spokesperson for an entity named after a natural disaster which has no consciousness and simply consumes everything it comes across. Chief has some badass Master Chief moments in the moronic story and Cortana be bangin'.
I'm 47 though and I first played 4 last week. If it makes you feel better I disliked 5 and am not liking infinite at all right now. 4 is a fine Halo campaign and the guns feel nice and the enemies move fast and it's exciting to play.
The game itself already has functional gamepad support. Plugging in your controller and a /command allows you to map buttons in the settings. The ui even shows the xbox buttons.
This meme is so moronic I shamelessly quit WoW after legion and with the legendary that gave extra haste on wings for ret paladin it was less spammy and busy than something like SAM in FFXIV. Referring to wings uptime only ret was painful without it.
They literally spent 500 MILLION for Halo Infinite.
That's more than tLoU2 and Horizon Forbidden West COMBINED.
No, Microsoft tried their damn hardest to keep Halo alive. The problem is >everyone they employed were fricking idiots >Halo's gameplay and story simply doesn't hit like it did in the 2000s
And I'm not even going to mention the whole TV show fiasco....
both are trash and ruined by autistic sweatlords
private servers are the only ones where people play the game the way it was designed
Classic was complete shit compared to good private servers
Private servers were easily the most shit time I've ever had with any form of WoW
Bots, russians and autists lifelessly speedrunning the game with 0 communication other than the usual politics bs in zone chat that you see in every fricking mmo
Classic was similar, but with more newbies and people legitimately trying, but very very quickly got dwarfed by the giga autists and meta morons and it became a speedrun again
Retail is... Okay. Just okay. If you ignore all the story, the game is mostly fine.
The only way WoW could be 'saved' is if they made it F2P, and did a cata style rework of the main world again, and focus on letting us explore and quest there, in low-power adventures. Minor things like housing and body sliders would help.
But the only one of those things we're likely to see is F2P, which will cause a boom in population that will probably extend the game's life another year or two before were back to this level again and they have to figure out another trick to keep people playing.
They need to ditch this focus on big stories and killing interdimensional beings bullshit, and just focus on the gameplay. WoW's base gameplay is still better than most MMOs out there, make THAT the focus of an expansion, rework the world, let people explore and quest wherever, and add open world content as the lategame focus. I actually enjoy WoW's combat and visuals, I just hate how they just keep pulling use to alternate dimensions and timelines instead of giving us normal adventuring. It's really not that complicated. Just stop pretending anyone ever really gave a shit about WoW's story besides besides the occasional raid boss like the Lich King or Garrosh.
At least if WoW was F2P, I'd be able to frick around with alts and farm old shit. DF content isn't even worth going into for free, let alone paying monthly for.
>raid shitter
you homosexuals had your turn and you kiled the game. nobody fricking cares about end game besides the complete autists that ruin everything. People want to explore and level around a seeimngly endless world.
>raid shitters" turn lasted 20 years and hasn't "killed" the game yet. Your turn lasted exactly 0 years and has had nothing but a long line of aborted fetuses of MMOs that no one actually wanted to play.
the last time a giant corpo took over blizzard, it spent 10 years in freefall and became the most hated developer in the industry. i’m sure this time will be different
right?
arguably not true, while it may have been pretty crap writing as far as fantasy goes (since they were doing a warhammer game then GW pulled the plug), it was entertaining, had mystery and characters you wanted to watch. Then they killed off Arthas in WotLK, proceeded to kill of their whole franchise over the next couple of expansions and then took a final massive shit on Arthas's soul. WoW died withe the Lich King.
It was shit but memorable shit. The last hype moment the game had was arguably Illidan after Sargeras got trapped. BfA, SL and Df have been a blur. Just white noise, except baybe for the Garrosh thing which wasn't even planned by the team which was too busy helping Danuser jerk off.
WC3 had fun and interesting lore, for a video game story it was quite good. The MMO proceeded to develop virtually no new lore of its lore and cannibalize and destroy all the lore the RTS series had set, leaving the world in its current wretched and unsalvageable state. You cannot fix the lore of Warcraft at this point, it's too far gone, you would have to practically pull a capegay universe level reset and wipe out massive chunks of what is currently there to save it, and at that point why not just make something new altogether? It would actually be less effort to create a new setting from scratch than it would be to fix Warcraft at this point.
>why not just make something new altogether?
Because these people are not capable of creating anything new, they can only pervert and destroy what already exists.
to be fair it's not like they have a choice in what they make, WoW continuing is basically mandatory, people put on it aren't there to create a new thing, but to keep the old cash cow flowing.
>why not just make something new altogether?
Because these people are not capable of creating anything new, they can only pervert and destroy what already exists.
They are creating something new, a game called Odyssey. Their next flagship game is a survival semi-MMO ala Rust/Ark + Valheim with a couple of hundred people per server. It has been in development for 6-7 years by now, which is why BfA + Shadowlands + Dragonflight were such fricking disasters, they were made by some B-tier team full of interns and new hires. It will be officially announced and revealed at Blizzcon in November.
Nope. It was sufficiently simple and nice. It wasn't some overly complex shit and it wasn't supposed to be that much for an RTS series. Not to mention it was memorable and pleasant. All they need to do is retcon everything that came with WoW and during its whole time period.
It wasn't fricked up from 1 to 3. It got getting fricked up once the first expansions were coming in. Based WoW still had this strong connection with WCIII. But the moment TBC came and they turned at the very end Kael high on fel energies was the moment that WoW was jumping into stuff the RTS fans wouldn't like.
Probably not. I imagine they will ditch tokens entirely which kills the game to the 3rd worlders that make up the majority of the current players. They'll put it on Game Pass instead but the third worlders aren't going to pay for it and the players that it brings in won't save anything.
I saw this posted in the WC3 thread and it perfectly encapsulates why WoW cannot be saved.
Putting mechanical concerns aside (although make no mistake, the gameplay IS shit) the new guard has spent considerable effort destroying the setting, the tone, and the characters themselves. And no matter how much people will scoff and say story doesn't matter, it damn well does. A cursory look at other MMOs tells you that, since Final Fantasy players spend so much time sucking off that game's writing, and even Guild Wars 2's playerbase has considerable investment in that game's writing, which honestly isn't even that good. Part of what made Warcraft so successful as a franchise was its setting and atmosphere, and that is never, ever coming back. Even if they fired every dipshit on the writing and art teams, the replacements still wouldn't be able to recapture the spark. It is unironically over.
Out of any series to rip off they could have gone with Game of thrones, at least that would be tonally consistent.
but no, they they hired manchildren and tumblrites and basedboys who only watch cartoons and FRICKING MARVEL. WHAT THE FRICK
The problem with WoW is that the only fun content where you interact with others is raiding, but raidlogging is bad for health of the game as a whole and they want to force you to do otherwise by making not fun parts of the game mandatory and autistically tune raids such that you need to do them to beat gear checks
I don't care what your PoE rotted brain tells you, grinding mythic+ dungeons is not fun
Considering that Microsoft's management style is just letting companies do what they want with a larger budget, I don't think anything would really change for Activision or any of it's games since budget has never been their problem, it's the fact that everyone working on games there are shit at their jobs.
nothing will change, blizzard games will be as mismanaged as ever it will just be MS's money will be funneled in w/no direction like all other MS studios
>started appealing to the larger masses
anon, WoW appealed to larger masses from its inception
that's why it blew up into the most populated MMORPG to ever exist
They've been building up to that though. They lied about switching to a 2 year release cycle and then put out a battlepass for their battlepass. This last shit is something they've been working hard towards.
>modern action MMO that's fun to play
There's a reason why they don't exist. Nothing wrong with tab targeting and WoW's has been the best in the business since 2004.
It got old, a relic of the past just like turn-based combat. MMOs should strive to have the level of quality to their gameplay as singleplayer games do.
It's just a matter of time, the only real MMO to implement true action combat at a technical level is New World and there are lots of reasons as to why it failed. There are multiple Korean action MMOs in the works and the Riot MMO is on the horizon, Blizzard will be left in the dust if they don't do something about it.
>riot mmo
it got so bad even ghostcrawler jumped ship, leaving the game without an executive producer
no trailers, clips, art, anything. you won't see that out until at least 2030
10 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe it was them that kicked him out because they didn't want him to ruin another game with his bullshit homogenization principles?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Don't act as if they won't just shit out another high quality but super safe, inoffensive, homogenized and uncreative cookie cutter turd with a League coating.
It's not gonna bring anything new or interesting to the table and we both know that.
Darkfall online implemented it like a decade ago. Before that there was even an older mmo but i forgot the name.
Also new world combat is shit, few skills with long cds so you spent 90% autohitting left mouse.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Having aiming in the game doesn't automatically make it an action game, it's a bit more technical than that. The server technology required literally didn't exist back then but it does now.
10 months ago
Anonymous
clueless. They hat quake mechanics in darkfall online with real projectiles. Archery would have arrows drop in height with distance. It was mechanically a superior game to new world. And the best part is it was made by some greeks on shoestring budget.
10 months ago
Anonymous
So it's more like a shooter, we've had MMOFPS/shooters for a long time yes but things get really wonky once you get in melee range. Today we have advanced prediction models that allow for more seamless interactions getting synced between clients and server architecture that allows for more data to be passed between players so we can have more players on the screen doing advanced shit.
MMO players usually think that aiming is a requirement for action games but it really isn't, the game can be tab target and still behave like an action game due to the number of interactions and the amount of data being sent.
New World might be a terrible action game from a gameplay perspective but it's an action game none the less, under the hood at least.
I mean, is there anyone even working at riot with the technical knowledge to build an MMO ? To me it seems all their employees are diversity hires for various bullshit roles. You can only go so far if your whole time is made up of writers/cg artists/monetization "experts"
It's impossible to design combat like that that works with latency, and is complex enough to make satisfying boss fights with two dozen players beating on it
Microsoft is the second largest public company on all of Earth
What is the point of regulators if you are just going to allow the titan to grow ever larger?
I mean they should make a WoW game but it's just Genshin. No one wants to play an MMO anymore, but they will play a single player MMO where you can play as your favorite iconic WoW characters.
What iconic WoW characters? They're all girlbosses, emasculated men, or dead. No one is going to roll for banners of Warcraft characters, it has no cute and fun girls, and it has no strong and cool guys.
You think the people working on WoW can somehow create new and interesting characters now, when they have failed to do so for the entirety of the MMOs lifespan?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure they could if Microsoft just let them make something.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I sincerely doubt that considering that every original creation out of the current WoW team has been an absolute atrocity.
>it was the shittiest competitive shooter on the market
Every major shooter on the modern market is a fricking esports-focused hero shooter because of it. Halo Infinite was supposed to be a hero shooter for frick's sake.
They're making one. It's a Valheim clone, though.
It's just like Blizzard to chase trends and finally release the game when the fad is dead as a doornail.
Microsoft will not only destroy WoW, but they'll ruin Warcraft in general. Blizzard will be shut down by the end of this decade and maybe by 2040 we'll get a Warcraft reboot with genderqueer orcs and fruity fairy elves or whatever the frick things are like then.
At this point they are better off firing the entire WoW team, hiring new blood, and making a proper WoW 2. The old engine can't handle more than 20 players on a screen without shitting itself at this point. It needs a new engine worth a damn and that might as well require a new game.
I don't imagine it will get much better but it certainly can't get any worse
Except for Microsoft forcing everyone to migrate over to Microsoft accounts that don't even work half the time, which is probably inevitable
They're more likely to just shut it down. The game is a zombie being held up purely by managers too embarrassed to admit it's a frick up and let it go. New M$ bosses won't have that luggage and they'll pull the plug the moment they don't like the game's income.
No. There will be no saving it. If they want to save the setting, then only by retconning everything that happened up to including the very base game...and then making WarCraft IV that starts a decade after TFT. Which will never happen sadly and you know why.
DF is actually really good. but unfortunately the BFA - SL double tap killed it and I'm not sure Retail can ever really come back in the same way as from WoD to Legion. then you pile on the stigma of Blizz being a fricking meme of stealing breast milk, the Cosby suite, frickboi McCree, and... releasing OverWatch 0.2
Like DF is as if they just let everyone be creative and come up with any crazy idea they wanted, and then they fricking implemented all of it. whilst also being reactive with fixes and patches to improve it further.
i think they need to take it even further though. WoW boomers will hate this but, they have Classic now anyway - but the reality is the modern game needs to just remove the Alliance-Horde community split and merge everything into megaservers. if you play Alliance or you simply aren't on one of the two, maybe three "correct" servers, you are going to have a bad time. drop the ego and past convention, the population isn't big enough anymore, and it shows.
t. came back since quitting first tier of Shadowlands, my server has 3,000 TOTAL "active" characters. lel
How the hell is DF "really good"? The shit has even LESS endgame content than SL and blizzard didn't even try to make content outside of raids. For fricks sake, the new zone died in only a single reset.
WoW players are so mindbroken they think Blizzard cutting out the grinds and activities like Tor'ghast due to reducing investment into the game is a "feature", not realizing they are getting the least amount of content they've ever had, and Blizzard is selling them on reducing the scope of the game as an improvement. Even the raids are getting cut back, less bosses per tier, and they're straight up recycling dungeons to put into M+ rather than creating new ones.
As bad as WOW is, seeing people on Ganker pretend they know anything at all about how to make it better is cringe as frick. Since when are people here so fricking clueless?
Everything they did since the end of Legion was a frickup, the game has been nosediving for so long it's drilling through the Earth's crust at this point.
And plenty of people think the game went to shit after WOTLK. OR TBC. Or Vanilla. Or the first patch of vanilla. You ask a thousand people what went wrong with WOW you will get a thousand differnet ancswers.
It's really not a great idea, WoW as a franchise is a dead and rotting husk, it's much more sensible to just keep the current game going with the lowest amount of investment possible to keep stringing the die hard addicts along while you take the funding from that and put it towards an entirely new project. Which is exactly what Blizzard themselves concluded and it is what they are trying to do with Odyssey. Even if that fails they will just retool and try something else, there is legitimately no reason to invest money into WoW at this point, it has virtually no growth potential due to where it ended up.
Blizzdrones would cream their pants if a sequel was announced, a chance to start over in a brand new World of Warcraft where Blizzard try their best to avoid all the mistakes they made in the previous game. It would inevitably be a global sensation.
You are vastly overestimating the amount of remaining Blizzdrones, especially ones that care about Warcraft. The whole problem with Warcraft is that it has a stagnant audience, it gets no new players and subsists purely off of people that have played it on and off since it began. That's not a sustainable long term project to invest money into, and Blizzard knows this which is why they've shifted development resources into other IPs and new projects. The success of Classic only reinforced this, the people who still like WoW would rather play an old and recycled version of the game, and if you supply that to them, they are happy. You don't have to put resources and development time into making something new if this is the market for your franchise, you just recycle the old content and make the same or more money with none of the investment costs.
I’m sort of ashamed to say I agree, being a half-blizzdrone. I’m a huge fan of the aesthetic and pleb enough to enjoy mmo gameplay but even then at least I haven’t paid for a blizz product in years.
At least Amular’s been a decent substitute for my grinding mmo-like kick.
The reason their audience is stagnant is because they keep rehashing their old shit instead of making a brand new game set in the Warcraft universe. A new game will undoubtedly pull in a huge new audience that don't want to deal with all the baggage that an ancient game like WoW has. All they can do with Odyssey is to put 'the makers of World of Warcraft' on the box to sell it, wouldn't it be better to just make a new World of Warcraft for a new generation of players?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Why would it "undoubtedly" pull in a huge new audience? Where are these new players that are going to care about this franchise going to come from? You need to understand, the only people that care about WoW are the ones still playing it, and since that audience is already captured, what is a new game going to get you? You might not even get the old audience if they dislike your new effort and in the process you may kill the old game too, leaving you with a lost revenue stream on one hand and a failed new product on the other. It's much better to keep the old product on life support while it continues to generate money from the existing and locked in audience while you fund new IPs that have the potential to bring in a new audience with no risk of alienating your old one.
10 months ago
Anonymous
People care about things that were popular in the past, like every new generation of Star Wars for example. Kids in the 2000s didn't give a shit about the old SW movies but they loved the prequels. Same thing is gonna happen here if they let it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It really won't. The fact you compared Warcraft, a dying franchise with a small niche (and ever dwindling) audience to the biggest movie franchise of all time is pretty hilarious, though. No one cares about Warcraft except the people still trapped in its bubble, and it's becoming less relevant every day that passes and that audience continues to diminish and age. The average WoW player is probably 35+ at this point, that's not a market you invest into for the long term growth of your company.
10 months ago
Anonymous
WoW is the biggest MMORPG franchise of all time so the comparison is completely justified. The average Star Wars fan was also 35+ once the prequels came out.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Star Wars legacy was still fully intact when the prequels came out, it was still remembered with love and passion by virtually anyone who had seen it and held up as one of the hallmarks of cinematic and box office success. Parents showed their kids the movies when they were growing up, further expanding the fanbase during the decades the series sat dormant.
Warcraft does not have that kind of legacy anymore, even the people who are still playing and invested into it admit that its in a terrible state and any sequel announcement would at best be met with cautious optimism by those people, and outright cynicism and "What the frick is Warcraft" by people outside of that bubble.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That will all change once they actually announce the sequel, the hype will start generating and reach immeasurable levels. I have no doubts that the hype would reach insane levels and generate lots of interest as they dripfeed info to the public. The real problem is actually delivering a good product.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You're just being way too optimistic. Think of it from a corporate perspective, why would you take the time to develop a new game in a stagnant and dying IP that may, if it fails, not only cost you the time and resources of the new project, but potentially also kill the audience of the product still generating revenue for you. As you just said, the problem is actually delivering a successful product, and if you're not certain your team can deliver that (and why would Actiblizz think their current team could pull it off), it makes far more sense to direct the resources being generated from your stagnant and dwindling IP into a new, fresh IP that can potentially garner a fresh, growing audience while you keep the old IP in a controlled state of decline, guaranteeing the highest level of profits over the longest period of time with the least amount of risk. This reasoning is why there is never going to be a WoW 2.
10 months ago
Anonymous
BECAUSE I HAVE HOPE GOD DAMNIT, I HAVE HOPE. I don't care about corporate agendas and maximizing profits, I just want to play video games!
10 months ago
Anonymous
The purpose of a business is to make money. You having fun video games is merely a byproduct of this process, and incidental to the true goal, and indeed, unnecessary entirely should it be possible to secure profits without providing them, or even taking them away, as the market demands.
10 months ago
Anonymous
This is about to evolve into a critique of capitalism and I don't wanna go there.
10 months ago
Anonymous
wow on gamepass will absolutely bring in new players trying it. Wow has always run on anything and even most console gamepass players should have something that can run it. The problem is that people who try wow are playing wow and they're not going to stay.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It won't. Everyone has played WoW except a chunk of zoomers i guess.
10 months ago
Anonymous
nobody will stay, the soul of the game is unfortunately quite dead. why else do you think they have to pay shills to come here?
How so? Do you think they would make a better game if it was a sequel? Do you think they know how to make a better game? How do you know it would be better?
To be honest, even in the imaginary world where they made a game comparable to whatever you consider WOWs golden age, the fractured fanbase would likely kill both games.
I'm sure they could pull something off with the biggest MMORPG IP ever made, new technology that allows for more advanced gameplay and graphics. Better than gambling on a shitty rust clone.
If blizzard had anyone competent enough to make a sequel, the game wouldn't be this terrible. The solution is to kill it.
The only way any future good warcraft games could be made is if Microsoft decided "blizzard is shit, let's just dissolve the studio and give their IPs to someone competent" but that's not happening.
Its almost surely not happening though because despite how shit blizz it, the "Blizzard" name is still fairly well known and therefore valuable in and of itself and no suit would want to lose that asset. Kotick could had absorbed blizzard at any point in time and done just that, but instead he chose to keep them around, surely for that very reason. Microsoft's reasoning won't be very different; Blizzard is staying and warcraft is dead with them.
Nothing can save it, the new mega dungeons ending cinematic shows THE VOID, which means they are in the end game of the life of the game and out of big bads.
Nothing will change except snoys will be butthurt.
ActiBlizz games will continue to be very mediocre and Blizzard will continue to embarrass themselves every other week.
I literally do not give a shit that a mega corporation absorbed a shitty dying game brand that hasn't made anything good in over a decade. We've also already seen what happens when microsofts buys out game studios. Worst case scenario is that blizz games are xbox exclusive and CoD finally begins to die because it not being multiplatform will absolutely hurt its bottom line.
>they will care about WoW at all
Good one anonymous, they mainly bought it for cod and candy crush which both make billions. Wow is going to make likely die out or get its IP put away forever.
MMOs can't die, there are still people playing LOTRO(I think an xpac for it came out last year even). In 50 years if any of us are somehow still alive people will STILL be playing world of warcraft in some form, the people playing it now will never stop. The player count might slowly dip but they spend less and less every year, at this point I wouldn't be surprised to learn that people work on warcraft for free in their spare time.
they have literally no other metric to fall back on anymore >blizzard hides the playercounts and subcounts >blizzard changed the armory API so census sites can't parse it to find character totals >wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further >blizzcon isn't a thing anymore so they can't flex in person turnouts for that >total mythic+ runs plummets every single season (pic related)
literally all they have these days are the twitch numbers because 90% of the wow playerbase are eceleb cultists who watch them play the game while they sit in group finder for 5 hours to run one dungeon or do one arena match
>90% of the wow playerbase are eceleb cultists who watch them play the game while
I'd be very curious to know how many of those eceleb viewers are actually subbed to the game.
>>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
always love when a doomer troony outs themselves as a xiv player
here you go, champ
abberus raid, 10.1, released on may 9th vs final shit's last raid, released may 23rd
ah, again this cope.. moron doesn't take into account raid sizes, and how lockouts work..
still BTFO
and see [...]. use recent numbers at least
wait, you can't, everyone quit that piece of shit LEL
old shitposts is all you have
ah, again this cope.. moron doesn't take into account raid sizes, and how lockouts work..
still BTFO
and see
>>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
always love when a doomer troony outs themselves as a xiv player
here you go, champ
abberus raid, 10.1, released on may 9th vs final shit's last raid, released may 23rd
. use recent numbers at least
wait, you can't, everyone quit that piece of shit LEL
old shitposts is all you have
>data given by the owner of the log site is a shitpost
lol
10 months ago
Anonymous
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>>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
always love when a doomer troony outs themselves as a xiv player
here you go, champ
abberus raid, 10.1, released on may 9th vs final shit's last raid, released may 23rd
>having to immediately run cope defence
not a good look for the king of MMORPGs vs some irrelevant jap console game
yeee-owch how the mighty have fallen
>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
Fricking how, that’s the one thing that wow players had. Hell even the majority of players don’t even raid in ffxiv
Only metric they have left, but WoW has recently been dropping to less than 10k views, If you subtract Classic HC streamers, Retail WoW is doing worse than XIV on Twitch.
please wow.. just die.. its been 20 years.. let my favorite game final transexuals 41 or asiatic shart have the spotlight for once.. please i beg of you...
>Halo Infinite flopped >Everwild in development hell >Perfect Dark in development hell >Fable confirmed to be pozzed and woke, also in development hell >Gears Collection is nothing more than a rumor >Starfield is Fallout 4 in space at 30fps delayed for an entire year >Redfall is a soulless always-online open world co-op shooter made to meet diversity quotas at 30fps >No Shinji Mikami kino because he left shortly after Bethesda/Tango acquisition >removing emulators >removing $1 gamepass >miss 80% of all Japanese games unless Microsoft pays for a gamepass port >goypass missing it's target every finacial quarter >hardware revenue down >dashboard littered with ads >no offline achievement support >storage upgrade only available through expensive proprietary solutions through selected vendors >physical next gen disc games only contain the Xbox One version of games, requiring you to connect to the internet to download the Series X version
WoW can't be saved. They're too bogged down by the past, you can really tell the devs want to go in certain directions but simply can't because of existing lore/mechanics/player expectations.
They'd be better off making WoW 2 and rebooting the franchise. I know that didn't exactly work out for Everquest, but WoW has the name & clout to make it work.
I feel like blizzard missed their chance to make wow f2p before dropping the supposedly free to play turd known as overwatch 2
the microsoft merger will just put the wow sub on gaypass and the game will continue to fester and rot in a dark corner
>Muh irrelevant ancient MMO nobody has cared about in ages >No no no its all about muh newer irrelevant MMO anyone ever cared about at all
Just shut up. Its a dead genre. Its dead as SHIT. There's nothing left for MMOs as a concept. It doesn't matter which game has the 1% playerbase lead while the entire genre as a whole probably doesn't even have a fifth of the playerbase WoW had during its peak.
Like 20% of FFXIV's playerbase actually plays the game. Then there's 40% who RP/ERP. The remaining 40% just use it as a 3D chat, meaning that they have a lot of free time to not actually be tabbed into the game they are "playing".
WoW really buckbroke the FF MMO trannies huh?
Just like barry buckbroke the mainline FF trannies
Tragic. Imagine sniping every WoW thread like an obsessed schizo, trying to convince yourself daily that the pile of shit you're eating tastes better
wow 2 is literally never happening because wow solely exists on nostalgia and sunk cost fallacy
the amount of people who would actually go to a wow 2 is miniscule
>>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
always love when a doomer troony outs themselves as a xiv player
here you go, champ
abberus raid, 10.1, released on may 9th vs final shit's last raid, released may 23rd
numbers from may 2023
Reminder. There's an unironic Filipino who spends all day on Ganker and /vg/ pissing and shitting about warcraft and blizzard, calling anyone he doesn't like Barry and crying to the mods to delete posts he doesn't like, all while bootlicking gacha and demanding the west be more like Asia
that sounds like the average buckbroken xiv trannoid
n-no s-stop saying that!!! i just like to shit on it .. obsessively... over and over... OK I AM NOT OBSESSED I AM JUST SHITPOSTING OK?? I COULD BE DOING ANYTHING ELSE BUT ARGHHHHHHHH I HATE WOW!!!!!!!
>Is WoW saved
Frick no, they're not even interested in cod and blizzard, they only wanted king and they're juicy billions they're bringing in.
Plus, looking at how they completely destroyed halo, their main IP, I wouldn't be surprised if wow disappears in two years since it's already on its death bed.
Reminder. There's an unironic Filipino who spends all day on Ganker and /vg/ pissing and shitting about warcraft and blizzard, calling anyone he doesn't like Barry and crying to the mods to delete posts he doesn't like, all while bootlicking gacha and demanding the west be more like Asia
The new corporate culture takes time to seep in and fix the older one
Just like Blizzard wasn't instantly ruined when activision took over but rather gradually eroded over multiple years so too it will take multiple years to fix it with this acquisition.
"Warcraft" as a franchise is bricked.
As a baseline, any new product needs to include all the new furgay races and 20 shades of Elves.
So even if they made "WoW 2" Vulpera, Pandas etc will be in the game from Day 1.
The community that those types of characters bring to this franchise is the reason I'll never touch anything to do with it again.
>"Warcraft" as a franchise is bricked.
They just need to retcon and say that everything that has ever happened in WoW was in an alternate universe/timeline and that it's non-canon and then they can follow up with Warcraft 4.
Pandas were in Warcraft 3. WoW had Taurens as PC races from day one, and Worgen by Cataclysm. The game was always made by and for furries. It's good that you are rejecting it, but let's be honest, it was always there and part of the franchise.
The difference between those three and Vulpera/Dracthyr is that Pandaren/Tauren/Worgen were made for chuuni powermetal fantasy and happened to have degens beat it to them, where Vulpera and Dracthyr were specifically made for people to beat their meat at.
>MS >save anything
The only thing that is going to happen is going to be that WoW will come with Game Pass now.
Basically Free to Play even more than it is now.
I saw that new patch trailer for WoW. >dude you get back in time, again... btw do you remember Arthas?
The devs are totally creatively bankrupt. It's like admitting you cannot produce anything worthwile and dickride someone else's success.
However the best part is the comments. Holy shit these are the people even here who defend WoW. The trailer looks absolutely horrid and you plause for it how good this crap looks. I'm actually convinced these people are done in life. There is absolutely nothing what can save them, they are completely enslaved by the game, and spiritually dead. It's legit scary to think about it, that I could have been one of these "people".
Why would Warcraft need saving? It was already saved when Activision bought Blizzard and it will only get even better now that they're getting bought by an even bigger company
maybe Microsoft can knock some sense into whoever is managing Warcraft 3 Reforged?
MS managed to revitalize AOE's popularity into the 2020s while blizz killed Warcraft 3. Hopefully something will be fixed.
W3 Reforged is never going to get fixed, since ActiBlizz refused to delay it or give it more budget when they realized what it would actually cost to properly rework the game. I find it very hard to believe that Microsoft is going to suddenly have a change of heart, especially since the well has already been poisoned and public opinion has turned against the remake/remaster/whatever you want to call it.
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and also this
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/blizzard-survey-indicates-potential-relaunch-for-warcraft-iii-reforged.347155/
Oh, that's weird. So they outsourced it once and Malaysians fricked it up, so now they are outsourcing it again to Australians? Blizzard are so lazy that they don't even want to fix shit themselves.
no. literally nothing will change, blizzard will still be dogshit, they will still have all the same staff and make the same decisions. this sale is literally meaningless to anyone except malding codgays and jim ryan, it will impact nobody else whatsoever because nothing will change
They'll probably make WoW and all it's expansions on gamepass along with no longer needing a monthly sub if you got gamepass ultimate. Also porting WoW to Xbox and making a steam release.
It wont save WoW but it'll give them a massive population boost.
When they reveal their "survival MMO" at Blizzcon this year and go: "SURPRISE, IT'S ACTUALLY WOW 2!", audience cheers and start tearing off their clothes and fricking each other. It's gonna be great.
To be honest, if CSGO2 (revamping an old game with new engine) is a success they will probably just launch WoW2 in a new engine with all content revamped (making old expansions actual worth to play at max level) and give more social features will probably save the game, but I feel like Blizzard is just as "minimum investment maitenance" in WoW right now, would not surprise if the budget for next expansion being similar to a new patch on Legion.
WoW is beyond redemption.
Player base is bleeding, people are tired of the same old progression systems, M+ has been boring and annoying for expansions now, PvP has died, raids are getting way to autistic.
MMO's are NOT trendy any more, this isn't the year 2000's. They'll just keep WoW on life support with the same old repetitive content for as long as it's profitable.
It would nice to see a clean reboot that rolls the lore back to Warcraft 3 and pretends WoW never happened. Redesign everything from the ground up and make it feel like you are playing as a unit in an RTS game. Actual world PvP warefare. You should be able to burn cities to the ground.
no. only thing i think will change is that blizzard's incredibly well designed launcher will be weighed down with bloat from microsoft
>blizzard's incredibly well designed launcher will be weighed down with bloat
Wakey wakey lil sleepy, its 2023 now, not 2012 anymore. the launcher has been a mess for like 5 years.
B.net launcher has been wonky and bloated for years now anon
wtf are you talking about? bnet has gotten WORSE with time.
>blizzard's incredibly well designed launcher
When it first launched, it was simple and easy to navigate. Now it's a fricking bloated pile of shit now.
>When it first launched
it was made by the people who then founded arenanet, which is made up entirely of people that left blizzard a LONG TIME AGO, you stupid zoom zoom Black personhomosexual, it's like pretending that the arkane that made PREY and the arkane that made troonyfall are the same people, kys
The first thing this guy probably got asked is why they aren't working on WoW2
>implying they aren't
And when it finally releases people won't like the new systems and say that old wow even with its flaws was much better
MAZED beyond human comprehension
you're MAZED if you think the troony enablers at Blizzard can make a good game anymore.
>their new system is you need to be logged in 18 hours a day
WoW2 is never happening because there's no way they can realistically compete with the Riot MMO that's coming out.
It's the only way they can compete with it, so why shouldn't they?
Because even Blizzard knows they can't do shit right. WoW 2 should've been made over 10 years ago. But they know they're gonna frick it up.
WoW was doing fine 10 years ago, it isn't doing so well now so it's definitely time for an upgrade, especially with all these new MMOs coming out that are lightyears ahead in quality.
Because they can't. They're pouring money into a dead project. It's much better to just put WoW on maintenance mode and continue to milk the morons still subbed.
That's dead in the water, bro, even ghostcrawler jumped ship.
If riot knew how to make a game they wouldn't have let league stagnate like it has.
League, Valorant, etc. might suck total ass but they are some of the most popular games in the world. Say what you will but Riot knows how to make games, just not good games
League was the first free moba, and valorant is just being constantly pumped full of money
both are irrelevant outside of the asian market
na, they were just the first moba to hit the main stream. Their success is the same reason why bootleg LoL is doing better than real LoL on mobile.
I bet they kicked GC out because he was ruining the game just like he ruined WoW.
>wow2
modern developers that work there can't make games anon, the only thing they can do is be outraged
they tried and failed. Project Titan.
Overwatch was the salvage.
>WoW2
When will you morons learn mmorpgs don't work like this?
well it worked wonderfully for xiv
XIV isn't a sequel to XI and current wow isn't broken like XIV at launch.
That example doesn't make sense.
I'm talking about arr.
People pretend like they're the same game for obvious reasons but 1.0 and 2.0 are almost entirely different games, it wouldn't be unfair to call it a "xiv 2"(.0)
Again that was because original XIV was fundamentally broken.
Current wow isn't so it doesn't need to be shut down and reworked.
If anything wow is being gradually improved so a sequel/rework doesn't make sense.
>gradually improved
how do you morons say this shit
>If anything wow is being gradually improved so a sequel/rework doesn't make sense.
just like the last five expansions where they "were listening to the fans this time!" right?
it is improving. people that play it, love it
the only ones constantly shitting on it at every corner are exwow gays desperately trying to convince themselves that their decision to quit wow and sink their life into another piece of garbage was a good one
hence why every wow thread has the same usual suspects seething
>the only ones constantly shitting on it at every corner are exwow gays
the only ones shitting on WC3R are ex-WC3 gays
3000 upvotes on the wow reddit, I guess wow is saved
>they remembered wow is an rpg not an esport
that's why there's a wow world first race, a m+ invitational tournament, and an arena world championship and those are the only wow related events blizzard puts a single ounce of effort or money into besides developing the game or putting things on its cash shop
>They're listening this time!
>It shows they know what made the game good!
said the same battered housewife every expansion for the past 5+ years
that reddit post was bait btw. a guy from r/wowcirclejerk made it to mock morons who spout meaningless buzzwords and praise blizz for doing anything. read that title and try to explain what the frick it actually means. you cant
That's actually kind of sad if true.
its true. heres his reddit account. you can take a look for yourself
https://www.reddit.com/user/AttitudeAdjusterSE/submitted/
>improved
bro, explain why everybody I used to play with it is saying the game is dying? insane q times for basic shit because nobody is participating.
works fine on my machine
>dungeon finder is content
lmao they pay morons to post here
:>NOOOOOOOOO THIS QUEUE DOESN'T COUNT ABORT ABORT ABORT!!!!!
doing a random dungeon isn't content. rated pvp content of all sorts is fricking dead bro, look at the M+ numbers too. i know people still playing that admit it, why can't you? LMAO
Fighting that god damned tree right at the start of the gme made the rest of the game feel rather simple, at least for a good while.
I really want to bully this "man" to suicide.
Are you serious? PvP is dying, raiding is dying, and even M+ is seeing a dropoff. But you can queue as a tank and get fast queues in the utterly irrelevant LFD since there are so many DPS waiting for a tank, since there so few tanks since so many people aren't participating, and that makes you think the game is "healthy"? Legit brain dead, but then again, you play WoW in the current year, so, yeah.
>PvP is dying
nope.
>raiding is dying
see
>M+ is seeing a dropoff
completely normal. also d4 ate into it + its very easy now to gear up so you dont need to spam m+ like a madman
>random bg
you're just a fricking moron. we're talking about rated here you dumb ape
GOALPOST STATUS?
your ability to read status? pvp isn't random bgs you esl ape
god i fricking hate women.
Now try queueing for non-bot content like Solo Shuffle. Thought so.
Do you actually engage with any real content in the game? Like, rated BGs or Arena or raiding or high M+? Because you are posting random queues that no one but the most brain dead players even engage with as proof the game is "alive", are you even aware of how much dropoff exists in the actual, gear progressing parts of the game at this point? What is your rating this season? What about your raid progress? Because there's no way you can be claiming the game isn't having problems with participation if you are involved in any of the actual high end content which is the true meat of the game.
i'm not into pvp minigames, i just do some bgs here and there
m+ and raid pugs aren't queueable last time i checked, and the group finder is always bussin
there is never a shortage of groups, so i don't know where your "having problems" comes from
So you don't actually raid, don't progress high M+, and you don't even play serious PvP of any kind. So you actually don't understand that all of those activities are seeing major drop off since you never engage with them and think that groupfinder is the real marker for how the game is doing. Yeah, we're done here.
i raid and do m+
there is never a shortage of groups
there's about 70-80 raid pugs right now at 12 AM on EU
so, where is your concern posting coming from if you dont play the game?
Post your raid progress and your M+ progress. You pulling up the groups tab does not mean you actually progress in anything, especially if your primary means of completing these activities is pugging.
>bro just dox yourself
what does that have to do with anything?
you got btfo and you again, AGAIN, move the goalpost?
what happened with your drop off larp and difficulty in finding groups?
>posting your character is doxxing yourself
jesus you're so fricking pathetic, then again what else is to be expected from a blizz shill?
how is you getting btfo making me a shill?
just because it destroys your low effort larp?
i dont get it. seek some fricking help man, its not healthy to imagine things all the time
no wonder youre asshurt when proven wrong
you haven't proven anything, you showed some q times for dungeons and random bgs. now you can't even post your raid or arena ratings because it's doxxing lmao
here's his info for you
the whole premise was you concern posting about massive player dropoffs and imaginary problems in finding groups
leave that fricking goalpost alone moron
take the L and move on
Because there actually are dropoffs in the content that matters, and you would know this if you actually played any of it instead of spending your time in random BGs and LFG dungeons. Post your fricking progress if you're gonna claim you actually participate in those, which you clearly don't, because you're oblivious to the dropoff that every actual player of the game engaged in real content is dealing with right now.
posted the group finder for raids, which is less populated than m+
70-80 pugs at 12AM on a working day
move on man. i already accepted your concession
now do pvp
seethe
t. no curve or keymaster pug shitter
Frick off moron, stop bootlicking for a game you're not even good at
You got thoroughly btfo Black person
if any crowd deserves to have m80s chucked into it, it's this one.
lmfao how is posting your characters M+ or raiding progress "doxxing" you technologically illiterate imbecile? If it scares you so much black out your characters name, homosexual, I guarantee you no one gives a shit about your character or you, though. Oh but of course you won't post it because you don't HAVE any actual progress in any meaningful part of the game and think random BGs are real content.
>pugs raids
quite pathetic. no wonder you think random bgs is actual pvp
>Guildwars
Ah yes, Guild Wars 2, the game that is a step down in almost every way from its predecessor.
Just you wait, once that WvW update drops, we're going to see some real GvG content. And then who'll be laughing??
PSO2
>WoW2
That was called Titan and it got turned into Overwatch.
That's Cataclysm.
Expansions are not expansions, they replace what came before them IE they are sequels.
it will go full f2p, that trading post shit is a trial run for adopting a full on ESO crown shop, the current membership will become an optional membership for bonus xp and other gameplay buffs
in short, no its dead
f2p will the best thing and only thing that will save wow the only player base left are addicted morons paying a sub on top of using the cash shop to splurge on mounts and wow tokens and even that's not enough to keep this game relevant
wait i just realized, doesn't Microsoft own Bethesda and thus ESO? so they own two of the top MMOs?
if they don't fire that braindead homosexual in the op wow will never be saved
not trying to imply that's all that has to be done but as long as he's in charge it will always be garbage and on life support
i dont know why but i laughed so hard
Who is he? Elaborate, anon.
After completing a prestigious clerkship with Judge Raymond Randolph of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Ion Hazzikostas joined Wilmer Hale, where he worked on white collar criminal defense and internal investigations. His colleagues at the firm included a number of attorneys who played key roles in the war on terror: government officials such as Stephen W. Preston, former CIA general counsel; Jamie Gorelick, a former Deputy U.S. Attorney General and member of the CIA National Security Advisory Panel; and David S. Cohen, the current CIA Deputy Director, who, like Ion, worked on white collar criminal defense and internal investigations at Wilmer Hale’s D.C. office.
He also works on World of Warcraft or something
How do you know that?
Just go down a list of activision blizz execs it’s all DOJ/CIA gays or they are adjacent to them like Ion (Wilmer hale). Wilmer hale was also the “independent” group that handled the investigation for sexual harassment btw
>who is he
Ion hazikostas, he was the leader of one of the most popular guilds in wow in the vanilla/bc/wotlk days as well as the owner/operator of one of the biggest wow theorycrafting forums
He was hired onto blizzard years ago to develop raids, and in 2016? he was promoted to the lead developer for world of warcraft. He is a boomer raidgay elitist who thinks all other content in an mmo besides endgame raiding shouldn't matter, and that is why the most worked on and spotlighted content in wow is the mythic raids and the raid world first race/leaderboards. Everything else in his game is secondary and that's a big reason why wow has been bleeding subs, because people don't want to work a full time job raiding and doing nothing else
Even when Blizzard recently did a subscriber only survey asking what people liked doing the most ingame and 70% of players said they prefer dungeons, the main focus of the game is raids and raiders are treated like higher class citizens than pvpers/m+ players
Don't forget the homosexual has a complex systems fetish where nothing is simple and has to be a constant rube goldberg treadmill of tasks and various currencies and tokens that feed into each other so there's a constant "sense of progression" that he also infamously has skipped out on whenever possible without outright abusing devtools with the game so he can go mythic raiding with his inner circle of friends and jerk off their convoluted bullshit as "the pinnacle of raiding difficulty and design" while also shitting their pants because some pair of gays make an addon that figures this moronic shit out so people aren't burning two to three months of gametime to clear a fricking theme park ride.
yeah, he is the epitome of a delusional 2000s mmo boomer who correlates grinding hours and the logistical aspect of getting 20+ people together to raid like a part time job is the peak of skill in video gaming
and that's why wow is filled with delusional clicker 30+yo morons who think they're amazing at the game because they raidlog two days a week, its a game made by and for someone exactly like them
Well, he is a lawyer. It's no wonder every mechanic he makes is as convoluted as it is.
>Don't forget the homosexual has a complex systems fetish where nothing is simple and has to be a constant rube goldberg treadmill of tasks and various currencies and tokens that feed into each other so there's a constant "sense of progression"
when has this EVER existed in wow? ive never seen a wow system that was actually complex
everything else should be secondary to raids though, m+ fricking sucks.
enjoy your dead mmo I guess, raidbrain
I don't care if it dies. I had fun with the raids.
Time is a flat circle
That's insane. Because Vanilla wow was a success BECAUSE it was so much mor casual than every other MMO on the market. That was the whole point, and the irony that some c**t like Ion shows up to frick everything back how old MMOs were is ridiculous. it's irony.
Imagine theme parks were advertising the most intense roller coasters but one theme park became the biggest of them all because they didn't focus on roller coasters, they made something for everyone. Then a guy gets selected to be in charge and starts replacing everything for just roller coasters. Then customers drop and they struggle to figure what the frick happen because the guy in charge lives in a bubble.
i mean there are literal drug zombie addicts who buy 200 dollars in tokens every month and play 60+ hours a week because they threw away the past 18 years of their lives to be a "hardcore wow raider"
blizzard doesn't care about getting new players, they only care about keeping those wretches hooked and incapable of quitting. and ion is really good at keeping them trapped
>A pig was put in charge of a house and it got covered in shit
>but the pig doesn't care because he likes shit and only wants to deal with customers attracted to shit
a majority of wow's revenue comes from wow tokens and new players aren't buying 15 of those a month
But it doesn't make up for dropping subs in total. I still think they make less money then they did at their peak
The hardcore raiders aren't even the ones that do this. I know about 5 people who I see on my bnet friendlist playing WoW every single day, playing since fricking vanilla, and none of them are big-time raiders. Just casuals and pvpers
raiders dont do that lol. raiders raid for 10 hours a week and never log in to do anything else. they have infinite money from selling carries and dont need to buy tokens. its the gigacasuals who play for 60 hours a week and buy tokens. i dont know what they do all day
>infinite money from selling carries
its not legion anymore where your group could charge 400k for aotc, a lot of people who push io or hall of fame raid do not sell carries and a lot of them buy tokens to upkeep their consumables and crafted gear since the game does not give you nearly enough gold to do that unless you want to farm like a slave
even if you arent selling carries, getting a single mythic boe every tier is more than enough to fund you forever
It's so strange. I want to laugh at them, but I can't. Its just so miserable, because you can see clearly how their father figure is a streamer or youtuber. It serves as a grim reminder that there is a level of brainwashing which is just inhuman, and these are just modern day mk ultra victims
He is the reason why WoW is at this shit state, he is fan of the "9 realms of power" bullshit with all in constant conflict, chaos, void, fel, homossexuality, order, light and the others that I dont remember, the day he said that he liked that all the next expansions were focused on this shit plot, even BFA that was supposed to be "classic Horde vs Alliance" turned into cosmos shit as always.
yes, just look at the new fable game to get an idea of what the future has in store for them
Microsoft let Halo die, why would they save WoW?
If anything they will demand a console version and kill off the game for good by dumbing it down for a gamepad. The one thing WoW has over XIV is it's not designed for the stupid PS3.
a console version have been in blizzard heads since fricking wod if i'm not mistaken
not like you couldn't play wow on a controller. it would be addon support that would be a dealbreaker for most
blizzard added an over the shoulder action camera mode in like wod I think then removed the option to do it but you can still toggle it with an addon, likewise there are controller addons already
i remember at some point they were hiring something specific for consoles, also skill pruning
Skill pruning is what killed wow for me. I could tolerate everything else but the game isn't fun with dumbed down combat
They didn't intentionally let halo die, they have a long history of not understanding halo and what was popular about it, way before 343 was around.
>they have a long history of not understanding halo
nice reading comprehension
They knew what people wanted. The original concept of halo 4 was scrapped because it was "too halo". The problem is they want to evolve the concept of halo rather than give people what they want
Halo 4 campaign is still better than 2 and 3 though. Gunplay is better. The things you get to do in the campaign are better like riding on top of a monster truck and piloting a mech and a freakin' pelican. You don't have to play as the enemy. There's no rapping spokesperson for an entity named after a natural disaster which has no consciousness and simply consumes everything it comes across. Chief has some badass Master Chief moments in the moronic story and Cortana be bangin'.
I forgot people are young enough now for halo 4 to be there first game
I'm 47 though and I first played 4 last week. If it makes you feel better I disliked 5 and am not liking infinite at all right now. 4 is a fine Halo campaign and the guns feel nice and the enemies move fast and it's exciting to play.
Halo 4 had some good moments but the forerunners were a disappointment from the second they were introduced
The game itself already has functional gamepad support. Plugging in your controller and a /command allows you to map buttons in the settings. The ui even shows the xbox buttons.
>dumbing it down for a gamepad
Bro WoW has like 1/3rd the buttons as ff14. It will play fine on a gamepad.
>2.5 GCD
That's for the gamepad.
This meme is so moronic I shamelessly quit WoW after legion and with the legendary that gave extra haste on wings for ret paladin it was less spammy and busy than something like SAM in FFXIV. Referring to wings uptime only ret was painful without it.
>Implying those garbage devs at blizzard can copy XIV's cross hotbar
>playing a mmo is some how dumbing it down
You clearly never seen the controller ui for FFXIV because you can easily have 48 buttons to press
>haha so many buttons on a pad
>what about the almost 3 second long GCD?
>>what about the almost 3 second long GCD?
oh no the brain rot has finally reached its final form
tragic
well maybe ms can save your dying game
This isn’t 2013 anonymous, the gcd hasn’t been 2.5 in years
They literally spent 500 MILLION for Halo Infinite.
That's more than tLoU2 and Horizon Forbidden West COMBINED.
No, Microsoft tried their damn hardest to keep Halo alive. The problem is
>everyone they employed were fricking idiots
>Halo's gameplay and story simply doesn't hit like it did in the 2000s
And I'm not even going to mention the whole TV show fiasco....
wow probably won't change fundamentally. it is decent news for starcraft fans if they wanted another game
If they combine gamepass with wow subscription i would play again, probably.
Not sure about the chances of this happening tough
I wish they made wow classic free
they should charge for classic and make retail free
Retail is trash, not even worth playing for free
both are trash and ruined by autistic sweatlords
private servers are the only ones where people play the game the way it was designed
Classic was complete shit compared to good private servers
Private servers were easily the most shit time I've ever had with any form of WoW
Bots, russians and autists lifelessly speedrunning the game with 0 communication other than the usual politics bs in zone chat that you see in every fricking mmo
Classic was similar, but with more newbies and people legitimately trying, but very very quickly got dwarfed by the giga autists and meta morons and it became a speedrun again
Retail is... Okay. Just okay. If you ignore all the story, the game is mostly fine.
Unironically fire most of the Overwatch and WoW staff. Do it by the books.
It's going to get worse, but not because Microsoft bought them.
Is there an IP that Microsoft hasn't let die or killed off itself?
The only way WoW could be 'saved' is if they made it F2P, and did a cata style rework of the main world again, and focus on letting us explore and quest there, in low-power adventures. Minor things like housing and body sliders would help.
But the only one of those things we're likely to see is F2P, which will cause a boom in population that will probably extend the game's life another year or two before were back to this level again and they have to figure out another trick to keep people playing.
They need to ditch this focus on big stories and killing interdimensional beings bullshit, and just focus on the gameplay. WoW's base gameplay is still better than most MMOs out there, make THAT the focus of an expansion, rework the world, let people explore and quest wherever, and add open world content as the lategame focus. I actually enjoy WoW's combat and visuals, I just hate how they just keep pulling use to alternate dimensions and timelines instead of giving us normal adventuring. It's really not that complicated. Just stop pretending anyone ever really gave a shit about WoW's story besides besides the occasional raid boss like the Lich King or Garrosh.
At least if WoW was F2P, I'd be able to frick around with alts and farm old shit. DF content isn't even worth going into for free, let alone paying monthly for.
>and focus on letting us explore and quest there, in low-power adventures. Minor things like housing and body sliders would help.
No, that sounds like what would be needed for you to enjoy a comletely different game.
>raid shitter
you homosexuals had your turn and you kiled the game. nobody fricking cares about end game besides the complete autists that ruin everything. People want to explore and level around a seeimngly endless world.
stupid c**t, get fricked.
>raid shitters" turn lasted 20 years and hasn't "killed" the game yet. Your turn lasted exactly 0 years and has had nothing but a long line of aborted fetuses of MMOs that no one actually wanted to play.
You don't know how to greentext
Nobody remembers wow fondly for its raiding, people only tell stories about the overworld
go back to r3ddit and dile8
Anyone that played past Vanilla does because there was nothing else to the game once flying came out. Don't be stupid.
Bill Gates himself is going to roll through the offices putting queers to the sword.
If they force wow onto game pass that will that mean less money goes towards the WoW team? if so I will be extremely happy.
Microsoft literally ruins every IP they’ve purchased.
the last time a giant corpo took over blizzard, it spent 10 years in freefall and became the most hated developer in the industry. i’m sure this time will be different
right?
Microsoft has a proven record of taking excellent care of its IPs, prime examples being Halo and Gears. WoW will see a major upturn similar to them.
Underrated sarcasm.
>10/10 mentioning gears and not rare gives you 20 points
WoW needs to die so Warcraft can be saved. The MMO format and its consequences have been a disaster for the Warcraft IP.
After how they fricked with the lore it's deader than dead. It's never coming back.
the lore always sucked shit anon. if they didn't want to frick the lore so badly they would've made WC4
arguably not true, while it may have been pretty crap writing as far as fantasy goes (since they were doing a warhammer game then GW pulled the plug), it was entertaining, had mystery and characters you wanted to watch. Then they killed off Arthas in WotLK, proceeded to kill of their whole franchise over the next couple of expansions and then took a final massive shit on Arthas's soul. WoW died withe the Lich King.
It was shit but memorable shit. The last hype moment the game had was arguably Illidan after Sargeras got trapped. BfA, SL and Df have been a blur. Just white noise, except baybe for the Garrosh thing which wasn't even planned by the team which was too busy helping Danuser jerk off.
>its always been shit!
the catchphrase of every newbie attempting to blend in.
for me it have been shit since forsaken were part of horde which i knew before game beta
but keep projecting
you think you can out oldgay me? I dropped Warcraft when I saw cow people in WC III. Top that.
na, i didn't got into beta i doubt i can outgay you
WC3 had fun and interesting lore, for a video game story it was quite good. The MMO proceeded to develop virtually no new lore of its lore and cannibalize and destroy all the lore the RTS series had set, leaving the world in its current wretched and unsalvageable state. You cannot fix the lore of Warcraft at this point, it's too far gone, you would have to practically pull a capegay universe level reset and wipe out massive chunks of what is currently there to save it, and at that point why not just make something new altogether? It would actually be less effort to create a new setting from scratch than it would be to fix Warcraft at this point.
>why not just make something new altogether?
Because these people are not capable of creating anything new, they can only pervert and destroy what already exists.
to be fair it's not like they have a choice in what they make, WoW continuing is basically mandatory, people put on it aren't there to create a new thing, but to keep the old cash cow flowing.
They are creating something new, a game called Odyssey. Their next flagship game is a survival semi-MMO ala Rust/Ark + Valheim with a couple of hundred people per server. It has been in development for 6-7 years by now, which is why BfA + Shadowlands + Dragonflight were such fricking disasters, they were made by some B-tier team full of interns and new hires. It will be officially announced and revealed at Blizzcon in November.
If this ever gets released I can't wait to shit on it from day 1, the lols are going to be immense.
I'm looking forward to seeing the battlepasses and the cosmetic store.
Blizzard needs to make something new that isn't just another variation of a shooting game, it's getting stale already.
Odyssey will have PvE dungeons and raids, so it's more likely to be FPS fantasy with spells and shit.
It better have lock-on at least or else I ain't touching it.
Blizzard as always being 10 years late to any fad
This will be another HotS
Nope. It was sufficiently simple and nice. It wasn't some overly complex shit and it wasn't supposed to be that much for an RTS series. Not to mention it was memorable and pleasant. All they need to do is retcon everything that came with WoW and during its whole time period.
>if they didn't want to frick the lore so badly they would've made WC4
this means I thought the lore was not fricked up in WC1 to 3.
It wasn't fricked up from 1 to 3. It got getting fricked up once the first expansions were coming in. Based WoW still had this strong connection with WCIII. But the moment TBC came and they turned at the very end Kael high on fel energies was the moment that WoW was jumping into stuff the RTS fans wouldn't like.
there is no example of a studio being obtained by MS and the quality of their products going up
Probably not. I imagine they will ditch tokens entirely which kills the game to the 3rd worlders that make up the majority of the current players. They'll put it on Game Pass instead but the third worlders aren't going to pay for it and the players that it brings in won't save anything.
I saw this posted in the WC3 thread and it perfectly encapsulates why WoW cannot be saved.
Putting mechanical concerns aside (although make no mistake, the gameplay IS shit) the new guard has spent considerable effort destroying the setting, the tone, and the characters themselves. And no matter how much people will scoff and say story doesn't matter, it damn well does. A cursory look at other MMOs tells you that, since Final Fantasy players spend so much time sucking off that game's writing, and even Guild Wars 2's playerbase has considerable investment in that game's writing, which honestly isn't even that good. Part of what made Warcraft so successful as a franchise was its setting and atmosphere, and that is never, ever coming back. Even if they fired every dipshit on the writing and art teams, the replacements still wouldn't be able to recapture the spark. It is unironically over.
Out of any series to rip off they could have gone with Game of thrones, at least that would be tonally consistent.
but no, they they hired manchildren and tumblrites and basedboys who only watch cartoons and FRICKING MARVEL. WHAT THE FRICK
WoW will always be inferior to FFXIV. Always have been.
WoW is a game for genetic failures.
No.
Look at ESO.
ESO doesn't need saving. The mom audience is fully in its grasp.
Ironically, won't putting WoW on GP most likely hurt ESO if it takes players away?
Both are too different, ESO will be fine.
The problem with WoW is that the only fun content where you interact with others is raiding, but raidlogging is bad for health of the game as a whole and they want to force you to do otherwise by making not fun parts of the game mandatory and autistically tune raids such that you need to do them to beat gear checks
I don't care what your PoE rotted brain tells you, grinding mythic+ dungeons is not fun
raiding is not fun and has never been fun
you thought it was fun because you had infinite free time with your new friends on the internet
>and has never been fun
Raiding was fun in vanilla, TBC and WotLK.
WoW is the biggest MMO so I'm not sure what you mean by "saving"
It will never be a cultural phenomenon again simply because it's a 20 year old game
wow hasn't been the "biggest mmo" since bfa, sorry to say little guy
proof?
Considering that Microsoft's management style is just letting companies do what they want with a larger budget, I don't think anything would really change for Activision or any of it's games since budget has never been their problem, it's the fact that everyone working on games there are shit at their jobs.
nothing will change, blizzard games will be as mismanaged as ever it will just be MS's money will be funneled in w/no direction like all other MS studios
i feel like wow died when they stopped trying to appeal to men and started appealing to the larger masses
they still appeal to "men"
>started appealing to the larger masses
anon, WoW appealed to larger masses from its inception
that's why it blew up into the most populated MMORPG to ever exist
No but it's going on gamepass so more people can try it to realize it's shit and immediately drop it and this will kill it. This is best timeline.
would you say your favorite game would be "doing well" if it lost 60%+ of its playerbase overnight?
The majority of the Chinese player base are bots and slave farmers playing on NA servers and still very much there
Call of Duty just lost 71% of it's playerbase...
They've been building up to that though. They lied about switching to a 2 year release cycle and then put out a battlepass for their battlepass. This last shit is something they've been working hard towards.
>chinese
>humans
lol
in line with the wow playerbase, if you haven't played recently they barely pass as human any better than a chink.
>the dipshits that let -minecraft- rot in a box will surely save WoW!
lmao
There isn't a single sane person playing WoW right now
It's either neckbeards suffering from sunk cost fallacy, or trannies.
I say kill em all
The game is salvageable, they should just nuke it and start over with WoW 2. Make it a really modern action MMO that's fun to play.
isn't salvageable* rather.
>modern action MMO that's fun to play
There's a reason why they don't exist. Nothing wrong with tab targeting and WoW's has been the best in the business since 2004.
It got old, a relic of the past just like turn-based combat. MMOs should strive to have the level of quality to their gameplay as singleplayer games do.
yet wow is still the most popular while "modern action" mmorpgs have died a cruel death
It's just a matter of time, the only real MMO to implement true action combat at a technical level is New World and there are lots of reasons as to why it failed. There are multiple Korean action MMOs in the works and the Riot MMO is on the horizon, Blizzard will be left in the dust if they don't do something about it.
>riot mmo
it got so bad even ghostcrawler jumped ship, leaving the game without an executive producer
no trailers, clips, art, anything. you won't see that out until at least 2030
Maybe it was them that kicked him out because they didn't want him to ruin another game with his bullshit homogenization principles?
Don't act as if they won't just shit out another high quality but super safe, inoffensive, homogenized and uncreative cookie cutter turd with a League coating.
It's not gonna bring anything new or interesting to the table and we both know that.
Darkfall online implemented it like a decade ago. Before that there was even an older mmo but i forgot the name.
Also new world combat is shit, few skills with long cds so you spent 90% autohitting left mouse.
Having aiming in the game doesn't automatically make it an action game, it's a bit more technical than that. The server technology required literally didn't exist back then but it does now.
clueless. They hat quake mechanics in darkfall online with real projectiles. Archery would have arrows drop in height with distance. It was mechanically a superior game to new world. And the best part is it was made by some greeks on shoestring budget.
So it's more like a shooter, we've had MMOFPS/shooters for a long time yes but things get really wonky once you get in melee range. Today we have advanced prediction models that allow for more seamless interactions getting synced between clients and server architecture that allows for more data to be passed between players so we can have more players on the screen doing advanced shit.
MMO players usually think that aiming is a requirement for action games but it really isn't, the game can be tab target and still behave like an action game due to the number of interactions and the amount of data being sent.
New World might be a terrible action game from a gameplay perspective but it's an action game none the less, under the hood at least.
I mean, is there anyone even working at riot with the technical knowledge to build an MMO ? To me it seems all their employees are diversity hires for various bullshit roles. You can only go so far if your whole time is made up of writers/cg artists/monetization "experts"
It's impossible to design combat like that that works with latency, and is complex enough to make satisfying boss fights with two dozen players beating on it
There is nothing left to save in WoW, it has been a hollow husk since (atleast) BFA.
Where could WoWs story even go now? I heard they made up a black female Titan now
the bronze titan is in hearthstone, not wow
The CMA and the FTC's new case will stop it
Not until they bring N'Zoth back and he wins.
Port it to Xbox, add keyboard and mouse support, make it F2P.
Microsoft is the second largest public company on all of Earth
What is the point of regulators if you are just going to allow the titan to grow ever larger?
It was another ploy by Yoshi-P to hurt WoW since every IP they touch turns to ash.
Regulators keep competition out of microsofts way. Regulatory capture is a neat term for bribe gov to criminalize competition.
They should just make a WoW 2, put it on consoles and it can be Xbox's Genshin impact.
They did make a WoW 2. It was called Project Titan and it was the shittiest competitive shooter on the market.
I mean they should make a WoW game but it's just Genshin. No one wants to play an MMO anymore, but they will play a single player MMO where you can play as your favorite iconic WoW characters.
>favorite iconic WoW characters.
Like my orc hunter? He was great
I want my cat back. Toonces I miss you.
What iconic WoW characters? They're all girlbosses, emasculated men, or dead. No one is going to roll for banners of Warcraft characters, it has no cute and fun girls, and it has no strong and cool guys.
They can just make new ones, as long as the characters are cool and do something fun no one will actually care.
You think the people working on WoW can somehow create new and interesting characters now, when they have failed to do so for the entirety of the MMOs lifespan?
I'm sure they could if Microsoft just let them make something.
I sincerely doubt that considering that every original creation out of the current WoW team has been an absolute atrocity.
>it was the shittiest competitive shooter on the market
Every major shooter on the modern market is a fricking esports-focused hero shooter because of it. Halo Infinite was supposed to be a hero shooter for frick's sake.
>When you try to make a hero shooter but then realize your entire video game series has 1 character
Given Microsofts incompetence, I can believe this.
Weird, because every big game is more derivative of Quake 3, MW2 and Fortnite than Overwatch.
They're making one. It's a Valheim clone, though.
It's just like Blizzard to chase trends and finally release the game when the fad is dead as a doornail.
Microsoft will not only destroy WoW, but they'll ruin Warcraft in general. Blizzard will be shut down by the end of this decade and maybe by 2040 we'll get a Warcraft reboot with genderqueer orcs and fruity fairy elves or whatever the frick things are like then.
Fulldive VR and orc chicks with dicks? That's the kind of Warcraft I want.
WoW was never good. It was created by people who liked the worst aspects of EQ.
At this point they are better off firing the entire WoW team, hiring new blood, and making a proper WoW 2. The old engine can't handle more than 20 players on a screen without shitting itself at this point. It needs a new engine worth a damn and that might as well require a new game.
No I bet it will get worse.
I don't imagine it will get much better but it certainly can't get any worse
Except for Microsoft forcing everyone to migrate over to Microsoft accounts that don't even work half the time, which is probably inevitable
>but it certainly can't get any worse
People say this every expansion since BFA, yet somehow it keeps happening.
I suppose I meant its trajectory can't get any worse as a result of Microsoft's acquisition
It can get worse on its current trajectory
Depends on how shit wow 2 is
>WoW
Lol, not my problem
>StarCraft
There’s now a glimmer of hope for a 3rd SC.
Nah they'll scrap sc2 for being too white
What the hell in Microsoft's history is giving you hope for a new SC, let alone a good one?
Well before the merger there was a 0.00% chance. And now there’s a 1-2% chance so yeah, I’m digging it.
Probably. Lul.
They're more likely to just shut it down. The game is a zombie being held up purely by managers too embarrassed to admit it's a frick up and let it go. New M$ bosses won't have that luggage and they'll pull the plug the moment they don't like the game's income.
>save WoW
Can't be done, the rot is terminal. Only thing they could do is announce EoS after DF so we don't have to watch it degrade further
No. There will be no saving it. If they want to save the setting, then only by retconning everything that happened up to including the very base game...and then making WarCraft IV that starts a decade after TFT. Which will never happen sadly and you know why.
DF is actually really good. but unfortunately the BFA - SL double tap killed it and I'm not sure Retail can ever really come back in the same way as from WoD to Legion. then you pile on the stigma of Blizz being a fricking meme of stealing breast milk, the Cosby suite, frickboi McCree, and... releasing OverWatch 0.2
Like DF is as if they just let everyone be creative and come up with any crazy idea they wanted, and then they fricking implemented all of it. whilst also being reactive with fixes and patches to improve it further.
i think they need to take it even further though. WoW boomers will hate this but, they have Classic now anyway - but the reality is the modern game needs to just remove the Alliance-Horde community split and merge everything into megaservers. if you play Alliance or you simply aren't on one of the two, maybe three "correct" servers, you are going to have a bad time. drop the ego and past convention, the population isn't big enough anymore, and it shows.
t. came back since quitting first tier of Shadowlands, my server has 3,000 TOTAL "active" characters. lel
How the hell is DF "really good"? The shit has even LESS endgame content than SL and blizzard didn't even try to make content outside of raids. For fricks sake, the new zone died in only a single reset.
WoW players are so mindbroken they think Blizzard cutting out the grinds and activities like Tor'ghast due to reducing investment into the game is a "feature", not realizing they are getting the least amount of content they've ever had, and Blizzard is selling them on reducing the scope of the game as an improvement. Even the raids are getting cut back, less bosses per tier, and they're straight up recycling dungeons to put into M+ rather than creating new ones.
Hopefully the opposite, MS finally takes this fricking game out of its misery. This game is far too old and far too fricked up to be salvaged.
No, they will double down on the woke trash that killed wow in the first place. Its more over than ever. Enjoy your pronouns toggle.
As bad as WOW is, seeing people on Ganker pretend they know anything at all about how to make it better is cringe as frick. Since when are people here so fricking clueless?
It's not hard to point at all the ridiculous frickups Blizzard did and say "let's not do that".
It is when you actually read half of what people here consider frickups. There wouldn't be a game left.
Everything they did since the end of Legion was a frickup, the game has been nosediving for so long it's drilling through the Earth's crust at this point.
And plenty of people think the game went to shit after WOTLK. OR TBC. Or Vanilla. Or the first patch of vanilla. You ask a thousand people what went wrong with WOW you will get a thousand differnet ancswers.
Shutting it down and making a sequel is a great idea, the only clueless one here is you.
>trusting modern blizzard to make a decent sequel
It's really not a great idea, WoW as a franchise is a dead and rotting husk, it's much more sensible to just keep the current game going with the lowest amount of investment possible to keep stringing the die hard addicts along while you take the funding from that and put it towards an entirely new project. Which is exactly what Blizzard themselves concluded and it is what they are trying to do with Odyssey. Even if that fails they will just retool and try something else, there is legitimately no reason to invest money into WoW at this point, it has virtually no growth potential due to where it ended up.
Blizzdrones would cream their pants if a sequel was announced, a chance to start over in a brand new World of Warcraft where Blizzard try their best to avoid all the mistakes they made in the previous game. It would inevitably be a global sensation.
You are vastly overestimating the amount of remaining Blizzdrones, especially ones that care about Warcraft. The whole problem with Warcraft is that it has a stagnant audience, it gets no new players and subsists purely off of people that have played it on and off since it began. That's not a sustainable long term project to invest money into, and Blizzard knows this which is why they've shifted development resources into other IPs and new projects. The success of Classic only reinforced this, the people who still like WoW would rather play an old and recycled version of the game, and if you supply that to them, they are happy. You don't have to put resources and development time into making something new if this is the market for your franchise, you just recycle the old content and make the same or more money with none of the investment costs.
I’m sort of ashamed to say I agree, being a half-blizzdrone. I’m a huge fan of the aesthetic and pleb enough to enjoy mmo gameplay but even then at least I haven’t paid for a blizz product in years.
At least Amular’s been a decent substitute for my grinding mmo-like kick.
The reason their audience is stagnant is because they keep rehashing their old shit instead of making a brand new game set in the Warcraft universe. A new game will undoubtedly pull in a huge new audience that don't want to deal with all the baggage that an ancient game like WoW has. All they can do with Odyssey is to put 'the makers of World of Warcraft' on the box to sell it, wouldn't it be better to just make a new World of Warcraft for a new generation of players?
Why would it "undoubtedly" pull in a huge new audience? Where are these new players that are going to care about this franchise going to come from? You need to understand, the only people that care about WoW are the ones still playing it, and since that audience is already captured, what is a new game going to get you? You might not even get the old audience if they dislike your new effort and in the process you may kill the old game too, leaving you with a lost revenue stream on one hand and a failed new product on the other. It's much better to keep the old product on life support while it continues to generate money from the existing and locked in audience while you fund new IPs that have the potential to bring in a new audience with no risk of alienating your old one.
People care about things that were popular in the past, like every new generation of Star Wars for example. Kids in the 2000s didn't give a shit about the old SW movies but they loved the prequels. Same thing is gonna happen here if they let it.
It really won't. The fact you compared Warcraft, a dying franchise with a small niche (and ever dwindling) audience to the biggest movie franchise of all time is pretty hilarious, though. No one cares about Warcraft except the people still trapped in its bubble, and it's becoming less relevant every day that passes and that audience continues to diminish and age. The average WoW player is probably 35+ at this point, that's not a market you invest into for the long term growth of your company.
WoW is the biggest MMORPG franchise of all time so the comparison is completely justified. The average Star Wars fan was also 35+ once the prequels came out.
Star Wars legacy was still fully intact when the prequels came out, it was still remembered with love and passion by virtually anyone who had seen it and held up as one of the hallmarks of cinematic and box office success. Parents showed their kids the movies when they were growing up, further expanding the fanbase during the decades the series sat dormant.
Warcraft does not have that kind of legacy anymore, even the people who are still playing and invested into it admit that its in a terrible state and any sequel announcement would at best be met with cautious optimism by those people, and outright cynicism and "What the frick is Warcraft" by people outside of that bubble.
That will all change once they actually announce the sequel, the hype will start generating and reach immeasurable levels. I have no doubts that the hype would reach insane levels and generate lots of interest as they dripfeed info to the public. The real problem is actually delivering a good product.
You're just being way too optimistic. Think of it from a corporate perspective, why would you take the time to develop a new game in a stagnant and dying IP that may, if it fails, not only cost you the time and resources of the new project, but potentially also kill the audience of the product still generating revenue for you. As you just said, the problem is actually delivering a successful product, and if you're not certain your team can deliver that (and why would Actiblizz think their current team could pull it off), it makes far more sense to direct the resources being generated from your stagnant and dwindling IP into a new, fresh IP that can potentially garner a fresh, growing audience while you keep the old IP in a controlled state of decline, guaranteeing the highest level of profits over the longest period of time with the least amount of risk. This reasoning is why there is never going to be a WoW 2.
BECAUSE I HAVE HOPE GOD DAMNIT, I HAVE HOPE. I don't care about corporate agendas and maximizing profits, I just want to play video games!
The purpose of a business is to make money. You having fun video games is merely a byproduct of this process, and incidental to the true goal, and indeed, unnecessary entirely should it be possible to secure profits without providing them, or even taking them away, as the market demands.
This is about to evolve into a critique of capitalism and I don't wanna go there.
wow on gamepass will absolutely bring in new players trying it. Wow has always run on anything and even most console gamepass players should have something that can run it. The problem is that people who try wow are playing wow and they're not going to stay.
It won't. Everyone has played WoW except a chunk of zoomers i guess.
nobody will stay, the soul of the game is unfortunately quite dead. why else do you think they have to pay shills to come here?
How so? Do you think they would make a better game if it was a sequel? Do you think they know how to make a better game? How do you know it would be better?
To be honest, even in the imaginary world where they made a game comparable to whatever you consider WOWs golden age, the fractured fanbase would likely kill both games.
I'm sure they could pull something off with the biggest MMORPG IP ever made, new technology that allows for more advanced gameplay and graphics. Better than gambling on a shitty rust clone.
>wow is literally being kept alive by Stockholm syndrome victims
>giving them a new game will surely revive the franchise!!!
Yes, that's how franchises stay alive. No franchise is immune to stagnation, you need new things to draw in new players.
If blizzard had anyone competent enough to make a sequel, the game wouldn't be this terrible. The solution is to kill it.
The only way any future good warcraft games could be made is if Microsoft decided "blizzard is shit, let's just dissolve the studio and give their IPs to someone competent" but that's not happening.
Yea pretty much kill it or give it to somebody who would care about the ip, probably yoshi p would seeing how he used to love the game
Its almost surely not happening though because despite how shit blizz it, the "Blizzard" name is still fairly well known and therefore valuable in and of itself and no suit would want to lose that asset. Kotick could had absorbed blizzard at any point in time and done just that, but instead he chose to keep them around, surely for that very reason. Microsoft's reasoning won't be very different; Blizzard is staying and warcraft is dead with them.
nothing will change at all, at best the game will come out on xbox and go f2p but that's about it
Nothing can save it, the new mega dungeons ending cinematic shows THE VOID, which means they are in the end game of the life of the game and out of big bads.
Nothing will change except snoys will be butthurt.
ActiBlizz games will continue to be very mediocre and Blizzard will continue to embarrass themselves every other week.
I literally do not give a shit that a mega corporation absorbed a shitty dying game brand that hasn't made anything good in over a decade. We've also already seen what happens when microsofts buys out game studios. Worst case scenario is that blizz games are xbox exclusive and CoD finally begins to die because it not being multiplatform will absolutely hurt its bottom line.
ok but what is our cope that wow is still the biggest mmorpg
>they will care about WoW at all
Good one anonymous, they mainly bought it for cod and candy crush which both make billions. Wow is going to make likely die out or get its IP put away forever.
MMOs can't die, there are still people playing LOTRO(I think an xpac for it came out last year even). In 50 years if any of us are somehow still alive people will STILL be playing world of warcraft in some form, the people playing it now will never stop. The player count might slowly dip but they spend less and less every year, at this point I wouldn't be surprised to learn that people work on warcraft for free in their spare time.
"Is Blizzard saved?" <-- has paid literally no attention to any company ever acquired by Microsoft
ok ok
but WHAT IS THE COPE THAT WOW IS STILL THE BIGGEST MMORPG?
>look, people like MY pile of shit more than the other piles of shit!
>pointing out the winner of the special olympics is still a moron is now a cope
lmao
>check category
>!drops
>[drops] enabled
>PATCH DAY! DROPS ENABLED!
lmao rat shill.
>drops active
HOOOOOIIIIIIPPPPPEEEEEE, it's all viewbots.
So what rare tcg mount are they giving away this time?
just a tcg toy this time
thanks for the reminder!
>haven't logged into Blizzard for WoW since September
>10.1.5 patch just came out
>cant beat pajeet landlord simulator 2022, with bribes enabled
lmao
HOW DO WE WKILL THE WOW MENACE SISTERS ITS KILL OUR FAVORITE SHITTIER MMO
HOW DO WE STOP THE BIG BAD WOW???
Uh oh, looks like somebody linked the thread to /wowg/. Prepare for the furry coomers to come to WoW's defense.
i play a garbage dogshit mmo and i am TIRED, FRICKING TIRED, of wow mogging my shitty game...
why won't wow die..............
>muh twitch views
Why are some people like this? I can list some game that have millions players but have shit Twitch views
it’s literally their only remaining cope
they have literally no other metric to fall back on anymore
>blizzard hides the playercounts and subcounts
>blizzard changed the armory API so census sites can't parse it to find character totals
>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
>blizzcon isn't a thing anymore so they can't flex in person turnouts for that
>total mythic+ runs plummets every single season (pic related)
literally all they have these days are the twitch numbers because 90% of the wow playerbase are eceleb cultists who watch them play the game while they sit in group finder for 5 hours to run one dungeon or do one arena match
>blizzcon isn't a thing anymore
It's coming back in November.
Those are some depressing numbers, but I guess it's expected at this point.
>90% of the wow playerbase are eceleb cultists who watch them play the game while
I'd be very curious to know how many of those eceleb viewers are actually subbed to the game.
>>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
always love when a doomer troony outs themselves as a xiv player
here you go, champ
abberus raid, 10.1, released on may 9th vs final shit's last raid, released may 23rd
you're kicking a hornet's nest here
this thread is about to be derailed until bump limit
called it perfectly
How do you frick up Junkyard this hard? it's the easiest m+ ever made.
ah, again this cope.. moron doesn't take into account raid sizes, and how lockouts work..
still BTFO
and see
. use recent numbers at least
wait, you can't, everyone quit that piece of shit LEL
old shitposts is all you have
>data given by the owner of the log site is a shitpost
lol
C O P E
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>having to immediately run cope defence
not a good look for the king of MMORPGs vs some irrelevant jap console game
yeee-owch how the mighty have fallen
NOOO ASMON YOU CAN'T BETRAY US AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
All twitch streamers seem to have less than 500 viewers these days except the big ones, like Mitch
>wow has less raid logs than xiv as of last year and is steadily going down even further
Fricking how, that’s the one thing that wow players had. Hell even the majority of players don’t even raid in ffxiv
I take that image is SL vs DF?
Because if it is... G R I M.
S1 vs S2 DF
ah ok, for some reason I didn't see the S1 and S2 tags. Does anyone have a chart for SL S1 and S2?
do you have S2?
Only metric they have left, but WoW has recently been dropping to less than 10k views, If you subtract Classic HC streamers, Retail WoW is doing worse than XIV on Twitch.
It's saved the same way that 343 saved Halo.
please wow.. just die.. its been 20 years.. let my favorite game final transexuals 41 or asiatic shart have the spotlight for once.. please i beg of you...
i just want wow to die so my garbage piece of garbage mmo gets some traction.. please...
have you tried bribing people for views like WoW is doing right now?
seems to be (barley) working.
>Halo Infinite flopped
>Everwild in development hell
>Perfect Dark in development hell
>Fable confirmed to be pozzed and woke, also in development hell
>Gears Collection is nothing more than a rumor
>Starfield is Fallout 4 in space at 30fps delayed for an entire year
>Redfall is a soulless always-online open world co-op shooter made to meet diversity quotas at 30fps
>No Shinji Mikami kino because he left shortly after Bethesda/Tango acquisition
>removing emulators
>removing $1 gamepass
>miss 80% of all Japanese games unless Microsoft pays for a gamepass port
>goypass missing it's target every finacial quarter
>hardware revenue down
>dashboard littered with ads
>no offline achievement support
>storage upgrade only available through expensive proprietary solutions through selected vendors
>physical next gen disc games only contain the Xbox One version of games, requiring you to connect to the internet to download the Series X version
emulators
WoW can't be saved. They're too bogged down by the past, you can really tell the devs want to go in certain directions but simply can't because of existing lore/mechanics/player expectations.
They'd be better off making WoW 2 and rebooting the franchise. I know that didn't exactly work out for Everquest, but WoW has the name & clout to make it work.
ummmmm sis?
your numbers are kind of off...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#difficulty=4®ion=1
They've poisoned the IP to the point that they'd be better off making something original.
I feel like blizzard missed their chance to make wow f2p before dropping the supposedly free to play turd known as overwatch 2
the microsoft merger will just put the wow sub on gaypass and the game will continue to fester and rot in a dark corner
>34k
I love how you can tell it's the exact same /wowg/ poster constantly seething about XIV overtaking worlo.
dude seriously belongs in a straight jacket
kind of ironic when you're seething in every wow thread
our narrative bros... we lost the numbers battle.. quick.. need headcanons to cope
>Muh irrelevant ancient MMO nobody has cared about in ages
>No no no its all about muh newer irrelevant MMO anyone ever cared about at all
Just shut up. Its a dead genre. Its dead as SHIT. There's nothing left for MMOs as a concept. It doesn't matter which game has the 1% playerbase lead while the entire genre as a whole probably doesn't even have a fifth of the playerbase WoW had during its peak.
no please stop btfoing my feefees with actual numbers my mmo has billions of players.. wow is dead...
Why are ff14 players literally in every wow thread? The same ones too, easy to tell
Did wow really break every ff14 player on Ganker?
short answer: yes
Insecurity.
Like 20% of FFXIV's playerbase actually plays the game. Then there's 40% who RP/ERP. The remaining 40% just use it as a 3D chat, meaning that they have a lot of free time to not actually be tabbed into the game they are "playing".
makes sense. they have nobody to "play" that dead trash with, so they spend their entire sub on seething at another, more popular game
Pretty sure a good number of ffxiv players are ex wow players
seems more like wow shills larping so they don't have to face how shit the game has become over time, but who knows?
>checks numbers
hmm, looks like its still the most popular mmo so it must be doing something right
>checks numbers
show them to the class
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/filename/blizzard%20customers.png/
lol
buckbroken
>archive poster
whoa sister, now look up this one im curious how many times its been posted.
it hurts them emotionally that wow devs can do literally nothing and people will still play it over xiv
Yes...fight for my amusement. Bring back the hilarious /wowg/ threads of 21!
I feel bad for op trying to talk about microsoft and warcraft and he has to deal with barrytards and the furgay
WoW really buckbroke the FF MMO trannies huh?
Just like barry buckbroke the mainline FF trannies
Tragic. Imagine sniping every WoW thread like an obsessed schizo, trying to convince yourself daily that the pile of shit you're eating tastes better
now he's ban evading
wow 2 is literally never happening because wow solely exists on nostalgia and sunk cost fallacy
the amount of people who would actually go to a wow 2 is miniscule
I'd try it
>wow dies for the 8574587th time
>still no 1 mmo
>other mmos die
>they're dead
i fricking love it
>the cope is no longer next patch/xpac will save it, the only hope they have left is gamepass
>you like something i dont?
>SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL
narman...why didn't you post those player numbers?
here
numbers from may 2023
that sounds like the average buckbroken xiv trannoid
He's also got a habit of resetting his IP to mass report people who insult him.
A literal Barry tier schizo.
not player totals, try again. there's a reason they closed up the api so nobody can check the real numbers
WoW has broken every MMOgay on the planet
Literally rent free
n-no s-stop saying that!!! i just like to shit on it .. obsessively... over and over... OK I AM NOT OBSESSED I AM JUST SHITPOSTING OK?? I COULD BE DOING ANYTHING ELSE BUT ARGHHHHHHHH I HATE WOW!!!!!!!
>Is WoW saved
Frick no, they're not even interested in cod and blizzard, they only wanted king and they're juicy billions they're bringing in.
Plus, looking at how they completely destroyed halo, their main IP, I wouldn't be surprised if wow disappears in two years since it's already on its death bed.
Reminder. There's an unironic Filipino who spends all day on Ganker and /vg/ pissing and shitting about warcraft and blizzard, calling anyone he doesn't like Barry and crying to the mods to delete posts he doesn't like, all while bootlicking gacha and demanding the west be more like Asia
The new corporate culture takes time to seep in and fix the older one
Just like Blizzard wasn't instantly ruined when activision took over but rather gradually eroded over multiple years so too it will take multiple years to fix it with this acquisition.
Just like Microsoft fixed Halo
HOW DO WE DEFEAT THE WOW WHY DO I STILL HAVE THIS GAME IN MY HEAD ITS A 20 YEAR OLD GAME IM PLAYING A DIFFERENT MMO BUT I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT WOW
WHY????
"Warcraft" as a franchise is bricked.
As a baseline, any new product needs to include all the new furgay races and 20 shades of Elves.
So even if they made "WoW 2" Vulpera, Pandas etc will be in the game from Day 1.
The community that those types of characters bring to this franchise is the reason I'll never touch anything to do with it again.
>"Warcraft" as a franchise is bricked.
They just need to retcon and say that everything that has ever happened in WoW was in an alternate universe/timeline and that it's non-canon and then they can follow up with Warcraft 4.
Except you will have the same run of soi idiots writing it.
The king is dead, let him rest.
Pandas were in Warcraft 3. WoW had Taurens as PC races from day one, and Worgen by Cataclysm. The game was always made by and for furries. It's good that you are rejecting it, but let's be honest, it was always there and part of the franchise.
The difference between those three and Vulpera/Dracthyr is that Pandaren/Tauren/Worgen were made for chuuni powermetal fantasy and happened to have degens beat it to them, where Vulpera and Dracthyr were specifically made for people to beat their meat at.
>MS
>save anything
The only thing that is going to happen is going to be that WoW will come with Game Pass now.
Basically Free to Play even more than it is now.
NOOOOOO PLEASE.. MY FEELINGS.. THEY MUST NOT BE COUNTERED WITH NUMBERS PLEASE.. LET ME .. LET ME BELIEVE.. LET ME.. ACKKKKKKKK
Wow2
Xbox exclusive.
I saw that new patch trailer for WoW.
>dude you get back in time, again... btw do you remember Arthas?
The devs are totally creatively bankrupt. It's like admitting you cannot produce anything worthwile and dickride someone else's success.
However the best part is the comments. Holy shit these are the people even here who defend WoW. The trailer looks absolutely horrid and you plause for it how good this crap looks. I'm actually convinced these people are done in life. There is absolutely nothing what can save them, they are completely enslaved by the game, and spiritually dead. It's legit scary to think about it, that I could have been one of these "people".
>bottom G picture
ignored
didn't ask
Why would Warcraft need saving? It was already saved when Activision bought Blizzard and it will only get even better now that they're getting bought by an even bigger company
WoW will never die until there is a WoW 2. Seethe and cope.
I guess I win
WoW has been unsalvagable ever since WoD.
Give it up.
I love his happy face like you wouldn't believe.
Bobby why the frick are you posting here?
maybe Microsoft can knock some sense into whoever is managing Warcraft 3 Reforged?
MS managed to revitalize AOE's popularity into the 2020s while blizz killed Warcraft 3. Hopefully something will be fixed.
W3 Reforged is never going to get fixed, since ActiBlizz refused to delay it or give it more budget when they realized what it would actually cost to properly rework the game. I find it very hard to believe that Microsoft is going to suddenly have a change of heart, especially since the well has already been poisoned and public opinion has turned against the remake/remaster/whatever you want to call it.
worked for the sonic movie
and no man's sky
and cyberpunk
didnt they give wc3 to some australian studio?
i also remember seeing some survey they sent asking about a potential soft relaunch
>to some australian studio?
Malaysian studio.
no, this
>Australien
Oh, that's weird. So they outsourced it once and Malaysians fricked it up, so now they are outsourcing it again to Australians? Blizzard are so lazy that they don't even want to fix shit themselves.
and also this
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/blizzard-survey-indicates-potential-relaunch-for-warcraft-iii-reforged.347155/
>blizzard offering the epic upgrade for less than the cost of a month
>it comes with a month
desssssperate.
Mabi wins
Can’t wait for the UE 5 update
Even MS is beating most MMOs
no. literally nothing will change, blizzard will still be dogshit, they will still have all the same staff and make the same decisions. this sale is literally meaningless to anyone except malding codgays and jim ryan, it will impact nobody else whatsoever because nothing will change
I just wish blizzard to die
but wow is already saved
>Can't move transmog and token sales
>[Important] Regarding the End of Service for World of Warcraft
show me your pandas!
Hopefully everyone at Blizzard will be fired, and WoW will be saved.
>microsofts gonna just bring back the chinese shitters to inflate #s
This cant be worse than Disney x Star Wars right?
Disney did not frick up star wars.
wow is already dead, microsoft is just taking over their stable of junkies.
Anon, WoW has been dead for over a decade. The games frickin Weekend at Bernie's.
They'll probably make WoW and all it's expansions on gamepass along with no longer needing a monthly sub if you got gamepass ultimate. Also porting WoW to Xbox and making a steam release.
It wont save WoW but it'll give them a massive population boost.
WoW 2, when?
>expect completely new graphics and engine
>it looks only slightly better than nu-wow and runs on the same shit
Believe it
i still don't get how a game with such utterly dogshit graphics is around 100 GB in size
When they reveal their "survival MMO" at Blizzcon this year and go: "SURPRISE, IT'S ACTUALLY WOW 2!", audience cheers and start tearing off their clothes and fricking each other. It's gonna be great.
To be honest, if CSGO2 (revamping an old game with new engine) is a success they will probably just launch WoW2 in a new engine with all content revamped (making old expansions actual worth to play at max level) and give more social features will probably save the game, but I feel like Blizzard is just as "minimum investment maitenance" in WoW right now, would not surprise if the budget for next expansion being similar to a new patch on Legion.
>Starcraft and Diablo II on Steam
what would change? they've been out for years
Hell nah. It can only get worse from here. How quickly people forget Redfall when it hasn't been that many months since that disaster.
All the troony dragons in the multiverse couldn't make WoW 2 successful. But that won't stop Activision and Ian Hazawienerinizass from trying.
WoW is beyond redemption.
Player base is bleeding, people are tired of the same old progression systems, M+ has been boring and annoying for expansions now, PvP has died, raids are getting way to autistic.
MMO's are NOT trendy any more, this isn't the year 2000's. They'll just keep WoW on life support with the same old repetitive content for as long as it's profitable.
Old MMOs like WoW aren't trendy anymore but new MMOs are, so they should make a modernized sequel to WoW.
>but new MMOs
which ones?
It would nice to see a clean reboot that rolls the lore back to Warcraft 3 and pretends WoW never happened. Redesign everything from the ground up and make it feel like you are playing as a unit in an RTS game. Actual world PvP warefare. You should be able to burn cities to the ground.
I'm scared of what they'll do with HotS. Hope they don't pull the plug.
thought so, b***h ass homie
They are going to consolize wow and inject it with Black folk and trannies. MS is a cancer on studios.
>inject it with Black folk and trannies
Have you played WoW recently?
>Company known for shelving studios buys studio that's a former shadow of itself.
>Is WOW saved?
Yes, Wow will finally hit EOS
>he still thinks the buyout is happening
the FTC got destroyed
the FTC is irrelevant
if the FTC doesn't appeal by friday, ms will close the deal as soon as monday
MS isn't closing shit until the CMA changes their mind, which they won't
Lol
https://twitter.com/HazzadorGamin/status/1678868874174021633
The cma folded immediately after the ftc lost
It's over
If Microsoft will close Blizzard, I'll pop the champagne.
Why the frick does WoW need to be saved every six months? Just pull the plug and let it die already.
Only if it means we get good husbandus and waifus. Something to put in our player housing.
I hope they just straight dissolve blizzard and sell the scraps to the chinks
define "saved"