Yep, pretty much, it's holding little ground right now being the only Protean user, but when her big brothers show up in the home update, she'll be the worst one (all three will be nerfed to hell but still kek)
Cinderace is basically the most perfectly crafted PvP Pokémon in history, sharing is three way tie with Lando and Incineroar
Game Freak knows how to make good Pokémon, the only reason game freak won’t fix shitmona is laziness and/or spite
>she'll be the worst one
Very debatable. It's so fricking over for all three of them regardless, but Greninja is clearly the one who sucks the most since it's a shitty Specs user with a nearly useless priority move. So we are left with Cinderace and Meowscarada, and Meow has a arguably better statline and type for Band since it doesn't take 25% from rocks while outspeeding Cyclizar and Tornadus-T. But for non-Band set I am almost considering using Overgrow and Blaze again for either of them, especially Meow, because losing STAB on your most consistent moves sucks that much.
>gren still has the best coverage and base dual STAB plus spikes/tspikes >cat has the highest speed stat, spikes AND tspikes, a good signature move and the two actual best dark moves (which gren doesn't afaik) >cind has the highest attack and the hardest hitting moves plus court change
Won't cinderace end up being the worst of the three? It's only role is hitting hard, it's not worth using bulk up on and not even court change sees that much usage (even less now that it would make you a guaranteed normal type).
>best coverage and base dual STAB
Having a great natural STAB combination is arguably counterproductive to nu-Protean, because if you run Specs your best moves don't get the extra boost and with other sets you lose these STABs. >spikes/tspikes
I wouldn't use them on these homies because of the forced type change but I guess they are workable.
You're right about Cinderace, it's likely worse than Meowscarada overall. But again all of them suck, Greninja would have nu-Battle Bond but it doesn't even look worth talking about.
He can now in this Gen >https://pastebin.com/pghsfRYm
But he doesn't really need it honestly, since all the moves it usually runs are usually 120 BP (High Jump Kick, Pyro Ball, Gunk Shot, etc.)
Yeah, status moves trigger it so Swords Dance and Bulk Up are both kinda ruined on it. I guess Bulk Up is a bit better since you get stab HJK but it still isn't ideal.
No, Tera Fairy with Skeledirge is really good and worth it depending on the situation. I got top100 with him despite all the Palladins, Roaring Moons, Iron Valiant and what not.
You use Tera where you need to, anon. Just slap Tera defense on croc and if he needs it, use it. I also forgot that tera blast is the new Hidden Move with STAB Tera type.
No, Tera Fairy with Skeledirge is really good and worth it depending on the situation. I got top100 with him despite all the Palladins, Roaring Moons, Iron Valiant and what not.
the new more offensive clefable with tera blast (fairy), Dios Mio.
Reason why cat sucks in comp: no hard hitting moves, no utility and out performed in all its roles in OU.
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Duck still has a shot at being good after Palladin and Iron Buddle nerfs.
However right now the most useful starter is Tera Skeledirge (see thread for more details)
spamming Protean got nerfed. You can still uturn bug and switch out change. Not to mention Tera offense might let you keep its change on top of your mono type.
No, it's very, one of the best cleaners in the meta, people are just high on their shiny new toys and making unga bunga teams.
It's literally impossible for it to be bad, it's a fast, decently strong Knock Off spammer in a Ghost infested meta.
After the meta settles and Smogon bans a few things (you know they will) people will start to see its uses.
>Spam band knock off >Turn into a darker dark type to secure certain kills
Only bad because of Steroids Salamence meta. Wait for speed tiers to mean something again.
Ganker is pretty much just loud idiots repeating their opinion so that it seems more correct. I actually thought the pokemon would be bad but I like how they look. Why are Gankerners so stupid.
The design it neat, the eyes are kind of weird though. I think if they were a bit more open the design would be better (notice how they're more open in nearly all fanart)
Yes. Also furgays have NO sense, how do you make Delphox a meme for being ugly but wanna frick this thing?
Aww that's lame
She's cute
Cute but useless
Useless? I just beat the game with miracle seed/grass power up/flower trick. It hits like a truck.
If you want to use her, then use her. The game is forgiving if you don't deliberately match her with mons that could one shot her.
Oh so that's what the other flower form is for
Legs.
delphox looks like hey arnold's head on a traffic cone
Delphox is wearing a trash bag
yes
my DICK
t. Incineroar
>Grass/dark
>Nerfed Protean
kek
Yep, pretty much, it's holding little ground right now being the only Protean user, but when her big brothers show up in the home update, she'll be the worst one (all three will be nerfed to hell but still kek)
Yeah, it might fall off a cliff when they come back.
Isn't it faster than Greninja by 1? Hell, I think all of her stats are outright better than both of them.
Alright, just checked. Cinderace is a bit bulkier, and Greninja has SAtk and better SDef. Otherwise it's just a faster, but frailer Cinderace.
Had to check the stats myself and man Cinderace really is greatly min maxed in what it's purpose is.
Cinderace is basically the most perfectly crafted PvP Pokémon in history, sharing is three way tie with Lando and Incineroar
Game Freak knows how to make good Pokémon, the only reason game freak won’t fix shitmona is laziness and/or spite
>she'll be the worst one
Very debatable. It's so fricking over for all three of them regardless, but Greninja is clearly the one who sucks the most since it's a shitty Specs user with a nearly useless priority move. So we are left with Cinderace and Meowscarada, and Meow has a arguably better statline and type for Band since it doesn't take 25% from rocks while outspeeding Cyclizar and Tornadus-T. But for non-Band set I am almost considering using Overgrow and Blaze again for either of them, especially Meow, because losing STAB on your most consistent moves sucks that much.
>gren still has the best coverage and base dual STAB plus spikes/tspikes
>cat has the highest speed stat, spikes AND tspikes, a good signature move and the two actual best dark moves (which gren doesn't afaik)
>cind has the highest attack and the hardest hitting moves plus court change
Won't cinderace end up being the worst of the three? It's only role is hitting hard, it's not worth using bulk up on and not even court change sees that much usage (even less now that it would make you a guaranteed normal type).
>best coverage and base dual STAB
Having a great natural STAB combination is arguably counterproductive to nu-Protean, because if you run Specs your best moves don't get the extra boost and with other sets you lose these STABs.
>spikes/tspikes
I wouldn't use them on these homies because of the forced type change but I guess they are workable.
You're right about Cinderace, it's likely worse than Meowscarada overall. But again all of them suck, Greninja would have nu-Battle Bond but it doesn't even look worth talking about.
Yeah, it's probably going to drop, currently it's not doing much in OU, but we'll just have to wait and see.
>her
>she
Not at all. She's good.
Yes lol, it's fricking hilarious seeing all the backpedaling.
good coverage, spd and atk but no sword dance = useless
Cinderace can't learn SD either.
Did they nerf Libero also? If so, it now sucks too.
He can now in this Gen
>https://pastebin.com/pghsfRYm
But he doesn't really need it honestly, since all the moves it usually runs are usually 120 BP (High Jump Kick, Pyro Ball, Gunk Shot, etc.)
Would SD trigger Libero though?
Yeah, status moves trigger it so Swords Dance and Bulk Up are both kinda ruined on it. I guess Bulk Up is a bit better since you get stab HJK but it still isn't ideal.
huh, neat, but yeah it doesn't really need it it does enough damage. (would have been insane last gen though.)
Sword Dance is useless on the cat
> Use sword dance
> Now is normal
Sword dance is useless for the main game where you're one-shotting everything anyway
It's decent but he Protean nerf really limited it's potential.
She's better than the croc. A defensive Fire/Ghost in a meta full of Dark and EQ spam is a total fricking meme.
Anon, she gets stab 100% critical hit 105 grass move.
Anon, the croc gets bulk, unaware, tera ground earthpower, slack off, will o wisp, curse (both versions if you count tera), and hex.
>tera ground earthpower
Wouldn'y you want to use Tera on someone better?
No, Tera Fairy with Skeledirge is really good and worth it depending on the situation. I got top100 with him despite all the Palladins, Roaring Moons, Iron Valiant and what not.
You use Tera where you need to, anon. Just slap Tera defense on croc and if he needs it, use it. I also forgot that tera blast is the new Hidden Move with STAB Tera type.
the new more offensive clefable with tera blast (fairy), Dios Mio.
Reason why cat sucks in comp: no hard hitting moves, no utility and out performed in all its roles in OU.
Duck still has a shot at being good after Palladin and Iron Buddle nerfs.
However right now the most useful starter is Tera Skeledirge (see thread for more details)
her signature move has 100% hit and crit rate
>fast 123 speed
>strong 110 physical attack
>protean
Easily OU or higher
Protean is garbage now, it got nerfed into the dirt
spamming Protean got nerfed. You can still uturn bug and switch out change. Not to mention Tera offense might let you keep its change on top of your mono type.
>Protean was heavily nerfed
>Doesn't learn any really good hard hitting moves to take advantage of Protean.
No, it's very, one of the best cleaners in the meta, people are just high on their shiny new toys and making unga bunga teams.
It's literally impossible for it to be bad, it's a fast, decently strong Knock Off spammer in a Ghost infested meta.
After the meta settles and Smogon bans a few things (you know they will) people will start to see its uses.
it will be OU for the brief period between the brokens being banned and the first dlc, UU otherwise
She cute and canonically afraid of bugs (4x weakness) in a girly way in my and your head cannon
She also has knock off, playrough, and trick which both Cinder and Gren lack
>Spam band knock off
>Turn into a darker dark type to secure certain kills
Only bad because of Steroids Salamence meta. Wait for speed tiers to mean something again.
doesn’t this dude have protean for its hidden ability but apparently protean got nerfed somehow so that hurt it as well?
Yes, this is the entire conversation up till this point
>nuprotean
You lose your type and become only the type of the move. This happens once per battle.
Dang.
Would _he have been OU had Protean still been what it was before?
maybe, he has a lot of good moves that cidner and greninja don't have.
In gen 8 it would have likely been Uber like Cinderace.
>mask is a plant and part of the natural body
>idiots remove it and complain at the look
absolute state
Nah, the cat is cute
My human wiener, yes
Ganker is pretty much just loud idiots repeating their opinion so that it seems more correct. I actually thought the pokemon would be bad but I like how they look. Why are Gankerners so stupid.
The design it neat, the eyes are kind of weird though. I think if they were a bit more open the design would be better (notice how they're more open in nearly all fanart)