So we can all assume that FF17 will go back to being at least an ARPG with actual RPG elements and less hand holding right?

So we can all assume that FF17 will go back to being at least an ARPG with actual RPG elements and less hand holding right?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    No

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe so

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only in CBU1 or CBU2 is making it
    If CBU3 is making it we're doomed

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      If CBU3 handles it, we're getting a BotW clone for XVII.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FF won't learn anything. They will continue to do whatever they feel like while not building a consistent formula or audience.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank god, otherwise it would be stagnant shit like DQ/SMT.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Worse. It might actually be successful.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's what's always made FF great. They care more about trying new shit than stagnation.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        They usually don't completely change the genre. That's typically reserved for the spinoffs. It'd be like if the next Yakuza decided to be a JRPG instead of a brawler.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          anon thats exactly what happened with yakuza 7

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          And that was a great idea that worked.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Mainline switches genres
            >Spinoffs now adhere to the original gameplay
            Leave it to fricking Japan.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yakuza was always an RPG series with a beatemup system. They just switched to turnbased as a change of pace.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't understand! If it doesn't look or play like this it's peak soulless garbage and not a true FF at all.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          these ports look like such fricking garbage holy shit
          ruined all the spritework, couldn't even get a decent font
          reminder that this entire franchise has been outsource to malaysians and indians, the only things are still made in-house are the KH games

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            the new sprites were by the same person who did the original sprites since ff1 on nes

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        trying a new genre of shit every time is not a good thing

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They should make a mass effect 2 clone but in the XVI-verse next.
      Hell the hideaway is pretty much the Normandy. But replace most of the side quests with in-depth loyalty missions, and give the player tag-team assist moves that vary with party members to extend combos or nuke enemies

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHA ALL I FRICKING SEE ON THIS FRICKING BOARD IS FKNAL FRICKING FANTADY FRICKING SHIT 24 7

    I HAVE NT BROWSED IN LIKE 3 DAYS AND THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST FRICKING POST I SEE

    FRICK ALL YOU AMERICAN SUBHUMAN CULTURELESS CHINK SLAVE SCUM

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      lets see your favorite games

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Square is incredibly autistic who frickin knows lol

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know, why are you asking me?

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would love them to make a game that is more like Pathfinder, that would be cool

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what ff17 can learn
    No one will learn anything from anything.

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FF16-2 will be a thing before that.

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FF17 devs can't learn from anything when SE keeps making the same mistakes and hoping for something to change.
    /Thread

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    17 is doomed but step one would be to not include MMO devs and step two would be to not try and make a first person shooter open world game inspired by western devs

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Final Fantasy 17 should be a survival horror game where you escape from chocobo/cactuar/tonberry pursuer and collect crystals to open gates. You should summon Ifrit, Shiva, Ramuh etc. to help you fend off chocobo while escaping from it, oh also don't forget moogle companion. Basically Haunting Ground with FF skin.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        15 had a survival horror section but it filtered too many normies so they nerfed it and now it's just a dull walk down the corridor without a threat section

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah.

    FFXV was supposed to be the first step into the modern era and it failed drastically.
    FFXVI gave us a good foundation, a good first step into the modern era and FFXVII can be more RPG, without having to be turn based.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What does modern era mean?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the frick are you talking about moron
      16 has no foundation its not even an rpg
      15 has the strongest foundation to build on top of

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >copy KH2FM
    >make it better
    >55 million copies sold

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >actual RPG elements
    RPG mechanics were designed to make shit turn based gameplay with no actual combat system seem more interesting.
    when you have a real action game, RPG shit like ATK and DEF undermines and ruins the combat system.

    The real problem with FF16 is it's filled with fricking canned cutscene attacks, long poorly written cutscenes, idiotic drawn out dialogue, scripted events, filler bullshit and fetch quests everywhere.
    you barely get to play the game for 90% of it.
    the RPG elements should be interesting areas, exploration and unlocking new abilities.
    instead it's filled with the worst kind of modern square and movie game bullshit because square is getting worse.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t like it, don’t play Final Fantasy homosexual. Go play “moronic Action Game #691488” and stfu.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is in response to this.
        >RPG mechanics were designed to make shit turn based gameplay with no actual combat system seem more interesting.

        >actual RPG elements
        RPG mechanics were designed to make shit turn based gameplay with no actual combat system seem more interesting.
        when you have a real action game, RPG shit like ATK and DEF undermines and ruins the combat system.

        The real problem with FF16 is it's filled with fricking canned cutscene attacks, long poorly written cutscenes, idiotic drawn out dialogue, scripted events, filler bullshit and fetch quests everywhere.
        you barely get to play the game for 90% of it.
        the RPG elements should be interesting areas, exploration and unlocking new abilities.
        instead it's filled with the worst kind of modern square and movie game bullshit because square is getting worse.

        FFXVI is a shit game, if they wanted to make an action game they shouldn’t have tried to use Final Fantasy to do it. But they were too scared of making another generic pile of shit like Forapoken so they used the brand to shovel shit. No one would even care enough to hate it if they didn’t use the name Final Fantasy to make this trash.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        literally who the frick does like the shitty cutscenes and fetch quests?
        the writing and voice acting is dogshit, it was better when it was just text and cutscenes were far fewer.
        do you want a game? or do you want an awful movie that no one would ever pay to see?

        if the combat had less cutscene attacks and more involved gameplay oriented movesets,
        if the quicktime events were optional and woven into gameplay more,
        why would you oppose this?

        square has done better in the past.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >literally who the frick does like the shitty cutscenes and fetch quests?
          RPG fans

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >goyslop zoomerbob
        >defending a game that Yoshida has admitted to designing around Zoomers
        This is bait right?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          literally who the frick does like the shitty cutscenes and fetch quests?
          the writing and voice acting is dogshit, it was better when it was just text and cutscenes were far fewer.
          do you want a game? or do you want an awful movie that no one would ever pay to see?

          if the combat had less cutscene attacks and more involved gameplay oriented movesets,
          if the quicktime events were optional and woven into gameplay more,
          why would you oppose this?

          square has done better in the past.

          Your image is ironic given Yoshida made FFXVI for zoomers because he believes only GTA and CoD are viable in the modern era.
          [...]
          Yoshida based his design choices on Zoomers. He believes stuff like Elden Ring and Persona 5 can't succeed in the modern era and you need to be as simple and accessible as CoD and GTA.
          [...]
          Tying the game to their personality. Most XVIgays are just like Barry except unlike Barry who stands alone they have numbers.

          Just to be clear I wasn’t defending this shit, just turn based games. They are the only Final Fantasy games worth playing and every derivation from turn based has been increasingly worse. I added this to explain because further because initially I thought they were actually defending this garbage game by shitting on turn based RPGs. If you aren’t a fan of turn based games you shouldn’t play Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest or Pokémon. Don’t try to make those franchise DMC-GTA and expect similar success, that’s just chasing trends like a moron and using the only franchise you can get you hands on for attention.

          This is in response to this.
          >RPG mechanics were designed to make shit turn based gameplay with no actual combat system seem more interesting.
          [...]
          FFXVI is a shit game, if they wanted to make an action game they shouldn’t have tried to use Final Fantasy to do it. But they were too scared of making another generic pile of shit like Forapoken so they used the brand to shovel shit. No one would even care enough to hate it if they didn’t use the name Final Fantasy to make this trash.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe you should stop acting like children's toys should cater to mid 40s boomers who need permission before attacking.
            Dying market, no one cares about you. Learn to tactics grandpa.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Dying market he says for the sixth time this year, as the most popular thing in human history is a turn-based game and every turn-based game that gets an actual budget sells infinite copies
              lol
              lmao

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pokemon? Pokemon GO mogged every other pokemon by a massive margin and it has no combat.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t play games expecting them to randomly become other games, ADHD moronic zoomer homosexual. They should offer a consistent experience across multiple generations, not have a schizo identity crisis every release and drastically lose focus and accomplish absolutely nothing original. The first GTA is essentially the same game as GTA3 with better graphics and a different perspective. I have no problem playing actually good games that require skill, I just don’t waste my time playing musou button masher hallway simulators like FFXVI.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nooo I can't mature so why do my games?!??
                40 year old man crying like a little b***h over children's toys. Pitiful

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >can’t think of a response
                >posts cope
                Concession accepted scrub. If you like FFXVI you are moronic and can’t actually play games that require more than just pushing a single button nonstop, go back to mobile gay.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >musou is same for 20 years
                >dies
                >surely FF will be different with it's exciting movie based combat!
                Kek. Maybe try video poker. Numbers and rng. It's a turn based boomers wet dream.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mainline musou die the moment it try to get out of it's comfort zone and follow the open world meme.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >require more than just pushing a single button nonstop
                wait are you for or against turn based?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you are being pedantic every PC game that requires a mouse would fall under that description. The difference is in the execution, and button mashing is the lowest form of entertainment.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >CKIII is just like Dynasty Warriors
                moron

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >push one button
                >die and have to spam tent to keep going
                This isn’t proving your point

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Boomies pissed and shit themselves for this
                Never seen a zoomies soiface over DVD menu combat. Let them have vidya if this is the best boomers can offer

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why did you live for remakes then? Where is your new and original game that will eventually deserve a remaster? You only like things if someone tells you they are popular, yet can’t even understand why they were popular to begin with.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why do you live for remakes then?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why did you live for remakes then
                As he whines because FF16 isn't a remake of the first 10 FF games...
                Can't say I didn't expect this from someone who needs to take turns in a digital fight lol

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cope grandma. We're taking DQ next.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >We
                You produce nothing, just consume franchises like a locust and move from trend to trend like a Redditard. If something gets too popular you try to claim it as some personal victory, yet are incapable launch any new franchises. Go play more Fortnite moron. You behave exactly like SJWs that attach themselves to popular brands just to push a woke agenda then cause them to flop, just like Marvel, Star Wars, etc.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >words
                You sat there basedfacing during homosexualry and FMVs. You can cope however you want, but you were tricked into playing, and defending, gay movie games.
                Sorry people your age can't transition, maybe just try coping instead.
                Trump lost btw

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're arguing with literal Square shills. They always say shit like "turn based is for grandpas" or whatever.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A PAID SHILL, THE MARKETERS ARE IN MY FRICKING WALLS AAAAAAAAAAH SAVE ME TINFOIL HAT!!!!

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A PAID SHILL
                Yes, you are a paid shill. You unironically think XVI's combat has depth when Clive has the same attack string from start to finish with no modifiers. Hell, you probably love the MMO-tier sidequests.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >getting btfo by paid shills
                >for free
                Shills won
                Turn based lost

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Action FF is awful. Play turn based FF and good action games.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                All FF is awful. Its a turn based dev. Turn based dev = movie based combat = no buy. They tried to make an action game, but because they're a turn based dev they accidentally made movie based combat again.
                The formula never fails.

                *Note: I say turn based, but I mean turn based jrpg specifically, tactics gays are okay for now.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your image is ironic given Yoshida made FFXVI for zoomers because he believes only GTA and CoD are viable in the modern era.

        Make a game that does more of what the best games in the series has done, a frick trying to appeal to new fans. You don't even know who those people are yet.

        Yoshida based his design choices on Zoomers. He believes stuff like Elden Ring and Persona 5 can't succeed in the modern era and you need to be as simple and accessible as CoD and GTA.

        How is it that people complained about FFXIII being linear, and FFXVI is equally as linear, but nobody complains?

        Tying the game to their personality. Most XVIgays are just like Barry except unlike Barry who stands alone they have numbers.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >when you have a real action game, RPG shit like ATK and DEF undermines and ruins the combat system.
      ATK and DEF is boring, but rpg stats in general are way more interesting for action combat than turn based. i like the ability to pump endurance and see my character physically move faster in dark souls, way more than 20 STAM in any turn based game.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i like the ability to pump endurance and see my character physically move faster in dark souls
        What? You don't run faster with more END, you run longer because you have more stamina.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          you do run faster and dodge better with heavy armor since endurance raises equip load. anyway, it's just an example to demonstrate how stats physically manifest in the game world, it wasn't a point of autistic nitpicking. XVI has shitty, boring +atk and def and it should have been better

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree. Monster Hunter is I think a good example of having stats/skills (generally things not player skill based) that affect how you play, how your character works, while still having freedom to let player skill shine (and in some cases, allowing different kinds of player skill to be effective).

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >RPG shit like ATK and DEF undermines and ruins the combat system
      In a lot of ARPGs, raw ATK and DEF are tied to the quality of the material used for the weapon or armor. So a wooden sword would always been weaker than an iron sword. If they go further than that, its to dictate build quality like master crafted iron > average iron > rusted iron. Basically, not a big deal.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day. FF7R proved that you can do real time action without sacrificing the RPG elements. 16 is a shallow husk of an RPG. On top of that it’s piss easy even on FF mode. Though I do agree the game is littered with an insane amount of cutscenes and quest padding. If CBU3 is behind 17 I’m gonna be skeptical as frick.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >FF7R proved
        Kingdom Hearts did that a million years ago dude
        what VIIR did was sort of successfully mix together action and ATB.
        The faults of the game are that you're never really allowed to experiment with the system because everything dies extremely fast and bosses which would otherwise be the outlet for that, instead interrupt the action for cutscenes in between phases.

        Do VII:R or XVI (lmao) even compare to the shit you can do in KH3?
        KH3 on release was kinda ass, but Critical Mode completely fixes the game and should've been out on launch. In Critical mode the combat revolves around finding break spots in between your enemy's attacks, which can be done by dodging, blocking, parrying (as in, active attacking deflecting an enemy's attack) or using an attack of your own with particular timing which depends on the boss.
        Once you've broken up the boss (no stupid cutscene going BUREAKU! with a shiny quickly depleting bar plays) you have a small space of time to juggle your enemy with as much damage as possible, using spells as combo-breaking utilities extend your melee combo.
        The spells all work differently, for example Blizzard makes an ice rail that lets you close in on an enemy quickly, but will break if the spell travels vertically too much.

        Blizzard in XVI and VII:R does damage and goes on cooldown or consumes your ATB. It doesn't loop back.
        This is fine in the case of VII:R because controlling the ATB for 3 characters at once keeps you engaged, but XVI is just awful with its stupid MMO rotation.
        XVI is so simplified and devoid of nuance or mechanics that it barely feels like a game for the few hours you get to actually experience the combat in.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are moronic, there's plenty of successful ARPG games, but Square didn't even try with XVI.
          XVI is NOT an ARPG by any stretch.
          It is a shitty Character Action game that has numbers for no good reason. You don't get to interact with the RPG elements.

          ARPGs are a balance of the two elements. Like filling a cup with water, you don't want to make it spill and you don't want to oversaturate one element or the other.
          The Souls games are a very clean example, look at DS1 compared to DS3.
          You can clearly see that the RPG elements hold a lot more sway over the gameplay in DS1 than they do in DS3, the balance being something like 40/60 in DS1 and 70/30 in DS3 (Action/RPG), if that makes sense.
          XVI does 99/1. It's stupid. The 1% is basically just being able to pick your 9 moves, but other than that it is purely action, and the action is boring.

          Sometimes I wonder the the landscape of Square would look like if they didn't frick up their engine development.
          13 would still be 13 but Tokyo Team would never have broken up as badly as it did giving us V13 before moving on the make KH3 so something.
          In doing so 14 would have likely released in a unfricked state although would likely still suffer from many of the same design issues and Yoshida would of likely stayed on the DQ side of the company.
          The ff7R glass would not have been shattered while 15 and16 would look completely different as the events leading to their creations would be nonexistant.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I was so fricking pissed when they released that FFXII MMO shit, I was really looking forward to a grandiose RPG on PS2 then they dumped that shit-tier subscription game.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              It is the grandiose RPG on the PS2
              >Mad because he was too broke to pay for this masterpiece RPG
              Broke gays shouldn't have oppoins on RPGS

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                How old were you in 2006? Also why would I want to pay for an endless slog then be forced to play constantly just to get my money’s worth? MMOs are dogshit and I recognized it the first time I saw one.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          KH3 is shit compared to 2

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      no only cbu3 doesn't know how to make an action rpg

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    no. FF17, by current trends, will allow full pronoun definition and you will be able frick any creature in the game.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    They def learned they need to release it on more than one platform.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It will be a proper DMC clone hopefully. With even less RPG mechanics.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty well made video honestly. I do like that XVI didn’t quite fall into the pitfalls VIIR fell into with its action. Felt like there was a lot more room for player expression in XVI.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Keep explorable towns and areas and I'm in

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    RPG mechanics are too autistic for the modern FF audience, mainline will never course correct. Stick to side projects like Octopath.

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    They will learn that 17 needs to work on Android

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >DMC/Bayonettagays don't like the game because it has 20hrs of cutscenes interrupting gameplay in a 30hr game. And gameplay is braindead until you finish it and start over in new game plus anyway.
    >HBO/Netflix watchers don't play games and unanimously agree that GoT, from which the game copypasted several character archetypes without transferring what made said characters interesting, went to shit after Season 5.
    >Sony movie game gays are turned off by the anime jrpg shlock the game turns into by the final arc.
    >Yoshida cult MMOtrannies are either too lazy to get a PS5 for one game, or those who do have to desperately justify their thrash purchase.
    >Classic FF gays dislike the game because it inverts the roles and puts the hero in a position of destroying that which the series originally stood up for, that is, the divine transcendental things that endure through the transient worldliness of men, typically represented by the crystals or otherwise divine forces (the lifestream in 7, Aeons/Fayth/Memories of beloved ones in 10, gods and the crystal line in 11). They are substituted in favor of Matsuno going full fedora neckbeard.
    Barry won.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Feels good to be a barrychad

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >are either too lazy to get a PS5
      Console MMO players are too lazy to get a console?

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    my guess, square opens new studio in California then gets bought out by sony. square california will become the new headquarters and develop the next FF while square japan just works on japanese localization of sony games

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as it keeps turnbased homosexuals seething they're on the right track.

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What did he mean by this ?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      yjk

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    So the new final fantasy game isn't a rpg but more of a hack and slash action game like DMC?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >FF fans when a franchise famous for completely changing with each entry completely changes
    >massive seething and impotent rafe
    >Yakuza fans when a franchise famous for staying the same suddenly completely changes
    >enjoyment
    Why is the Yakuza fanbase this based? Why can't more fanbases be based?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      rage*

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >franchise keeps changing for the worse again and again
      >fans not happy
      dunno anon seems complicated

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >for the worse
        Says you, moron. Sounds like an issue with the homosexuals who call themselves fans.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          you wouldn't know since you were still in your dad's sack

          This, why the hell they just didn't made same game over and over again?

          >FF1 and FF6 are the same game
          atleast pretend that you played them

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I absolutely know. You even agree that the games would make changes each time. I'm not gonna shit on this new one for also being different.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              the games used to make changes for the better and then around the Enix merger they kept changing for the worse which is what i have a problem with yeah

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >changes for the worse

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        This, why the hell they just didn't made same game over and over again?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, VIIR and XVI plays better than the first 9 games imo. Even XII and XIII are pretty great in terms of gameplay.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because Ichiban is one of the few loveable "successor characters" unlike Nero and Viola. And Action Yakuza still lives on through Judgement and Gaiden which are pretty solid.

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    How are the pixel remasters? Thinkin about playing em on steam 'eck

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just emulate the fricking games

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that Nomura is still around is proof enough that SE can't learn.

  30. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sci Fi setting full space opera or cyberpunk
    Keep it m rated
    Give me more weapons with different moveset (ala strangers of paradise)
    The same writer as xvi and use the writer of FFXII
    Ryuta Suzuki as the combat designer
    Profit
    Mark my words it will be like that

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sci Fi setting full space opera or cyberpunk
      We already have Star Ocean for that, but they keep letting idiots handle the recent entries.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        True but I want a space opera final fantasy
        With gunblade

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They need to just give up and give us Gunblades again.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the dogshit ff16 writer
      he needs to die

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Keep it m rated
      There's no real benefit to doing so unless you really need nudity and copious amounts of profanity in your games. You can tell an engaging and "mature" story without all of that.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ryuta Suzuki as the combat designer
      Frick no.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ryuta Suzuki as the combat designer
      Kamiya or Itsuno curbstomps Suzuki. XVI combat is not that good when you think about it.

  31. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FFXVI just got destroyed with one story trailer that's more engaging than any of the 40 hour slop they put out.

  32. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Learn more from Strangers than 16. Strangers isn't perfect but it at least has classes, ways of upgrading mastery of those classes, and a party and even co-op.

  33. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ARPG
    No
    It started out as turned based gold, it should return to that. -2 editions should be the ARPG slop for people who think button mashing is an adequate substitute for strategy.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >turned based gold
      No

      There has been so much innovation in turn-based games (like tactics games), and you want to go back to shallow boring 3 dudes in a row.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >go back
        As opposed to the button mash events that are basically the bastard child of quick time events or worse, Gcd crap like mmos?
        No thanks.

  34. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    there will be no final fantasy 17, the few people left after endwalker's disaster are gone now after 16, its all over.

  35. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make a game that does more of what the best games in the series has done, a frick trying to appeal to new fans. You don't even know who those people are yet.

  36. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The game has a 58% completion rate which is fricking massive especially for a game like this. Everyone who's actually played the game likes it, seethe harder tortanicgays

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Everyone who's actually played the game likes it
      The game is 70 dollars and can't be refunded. Of course they're going to finish the game they spend 70 dollars on.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        lmao look at game completion rates sometime moron

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did you not say it was 58%? Were you lying, moron.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      The reason game completion rates are generally low is because casuals by game off of hype and FOMO but get filtered by actual gameplay. FF16 having a higher completion rate just means that it's short and simple enough that even many of the morons could make it through.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >FF16 having a higher completion rate just means that it's short and simple
        The game forces you to play on easy mode, gives you easy mode items, and even has a "story mode" which I'm sure half of the 58% used lmao. Don't forget streamers and content creators often finish these games to make their crappy videos.

  37. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't this shit underperform? Can we go back to classic fantasy and turn based now

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      8% of PS5 owners bought it which is huge. FF7R was 4% of ps4 owners

  38. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do "ff fans" care so much about 16 not being like other ffs when, according to them, FF haw been shit for longer than it was ever good

  39. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it has to be an ARPG, then I'd like to see an FF game with SoP's combat but with AAA graphics and a good narrative. Otherwise, just return to turn-based.

  40. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    How is it that people complained about FFXIII being linear, and FFXVI is equally as linear, but nobody complains?

  41. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think, personally, I think it would be really funny if FF17 came out as a first person shooter final fantasy. I really want to see the meltdown here.

  42. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Best likely outcome is that for the next game we get a core based around XVIs combat while drawing more from FF7R depending on how Rebirth does.
    I don;t think the series ios going back to turn based anytime soon but we will get like elemental weaknesses back and various weapon types, likely a more complex crafting system.
    As for story it can go either way, I think that if 16 did as good as square is making it out to be then we might get the Shadowbringers lady which I would be fine with, she does good work in one off settings.

  43. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Copy VIIR's combat and add in some XII gambits for party members nit being directly controlled and you have the GOAT combat system. XVI was okay for an hour, then the rest of the game is the same fight over and over again.

  44. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FF7R has the best style for the modern Final Fantasy

    That being said, if 16 had the same combat but with an actual party it would be goated

  45. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the next FF is a solo one again, just rip-off XIII-3:LR's combat. Shit's the perfect blend of active block/dodge + ATB + Job systems.

  46. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    ARPGs are a mistake because the amount of effort needed to get the "A" part correct means far less time and effort that can be spent on the "RPG" part. So if Square Enix wants to make an actual RPG then they have no choice but to make FFXVI less action.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are moronic, there's plenty of successful ARPG games, but Square didn't even try with XVI.
      XVI is NOT an ARPG by any stretch.
      It is a shitty Character Action game that has numbers for no good reason. You don't get to interact with the RPG elements.

      ARPGs are a balance of the two elements. Like filling a cup with water, you don't want to make it spill and you don't want to oversaturate one element or the other.
      The Souls games are a very clean example, look at DS1 compared to DS3.
      You can clearly see that the RPG elements hold a lot more sway over the gameplay in DS1 than they do in DS3, the balance being something like 40/60 in DS1 and 70/30 in DS3 (Action/RPG), if that makes sense.
      XVI does 99/1. It's stupid. The 1% is basically just being able to pick your 9 moves, but other than that it is purely action, and the action is boring.

  47. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care about the combat, but actual party members are a must, bonus if they're customizable

  48. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >FF17
    lol, Yeah there's not going to be. I'd give my source, but no one would frickin' believe me anyway.

  49. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Be real, if FF stuck to the same formula there'd be shitposting too just like how everyone b***hes how every CoD Ass Creed or Souls game is the same.

  50. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ff17 or 18 should be a mmo with over the shoulder action combat and zones that all connect to one another no loading screens except for instances.

  51. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIII - this is starting to get bad
    FFXIV - I don't play fricking mmos
    FFXV - this is fricking awful
    FFXVI - not even buying because i don't want devil may final fantasy
    FFXVII - I'm not here anymore

    but I was there for I-XV

  52. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Square is incapable of making a final fanasy game on the level of their ps1 titles. They literally can't. I don't know why, but they shown in time and time again.

  53. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes
    And tendies will still seethe at it

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      ?

  54. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    All Ganker wants is FF7 (FF6 if you're a hipster) repeated, over and over and over again, forever.

  55. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    just get them to work together
    dmc ff was fun enough but why can't these homosexuals just go back to 4 Black folk in a row or at least pretend to like 7R
    or if not go full job autism like sop

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      dont even lump jack with ff16 trash ever again

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Or else what?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          XVI would have been far more entertaining if Clive was on the straight and unhinged uninterested narrow like Jack.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or if the gameplay or story was actually good.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not the most prominent part of his character but after he gets over his revenge boner because he finds josh he's actually pretty stupid, on more than a few occasions he's just big dude with a sword.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jack's game may be infinitely more soulful than XVI but I'm glad to see that mainline is out of the fricking gutter for the first time since 2006.
        Sadly sop got next to no time or money but even then what they did with it was amazing.

  56. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    FF17 should be either a survival or a looter shooter battle royal game

  57. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we live now in a time where a former AA dev is a Japanese rpg powerhouse instead of SquareShit
    kek

  58. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoyed ff15,16 and 7 remake infinitely more than any of the old ones.
    Turn based homosexuals need to accept that their time is over.

  59. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The thing I don't understand the most about their obsession to genre hop is they are essentially moving from a larger market to a smaller one. I like brawlers, but those games on traditionally sell like 1 to 2 million copies and breaking 3 million is a huge success. Those are small numbers for a Final Fantasy game and the dominate turned based games all sell higher than that. ARPGs can sell really well, either through interesting gameplay, a strong story, or some kind of sense of freedom, but they somehow decided they didn't want FF to be that either. So is their ultimate goal for FF to sell niche numbers?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      The hack MMO dev made an offline MMO musou action hallway game, combining the worst aspects of each respective genre. No customization or depth like an RPG, no social aspect like an MMO, no gameplay like a real Action Game, no exploration or replayability like an Open World Game. Jackoff of All Trades, Masturbator of None. It’s literally the worst of all worlds. It’s a direct ripoff of DMC & GoT with MMO floating numbers for no reason whatsoever.

  60. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Heh, JRPG is gying and smollin
    >it's time for FF to persue the pure flashy action kino
    They are moron and will never learn a damn thing.

  61. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why do you keep calling our shitty subversive game not a real Final Fantasy?! We even namedropped the title at the end!!!
    >Final Fantasy isn't real! It can be whatever you want it to be!

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      moronic schizo

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Larry forgot his meds and is projecting again.

  62. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what FF17 can learn
    Show more sex

  63. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that if you don't like XIV and XVI, you don't like Final Fantasy.

  64. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOOO IT'S NOT REAL FF BECAUSE THE COMBAT ISN'T THE SAME AS IT WAS IN THE 80S!
    >I FEEL SO SMART WHEN I TELL MY PARTY MEMBERS TO ATTACK THE BAD GUYS AND OCCASIONALLY HEAL! HAVING TO ACTUALLY BLOCK AND DODGE IS TOO HARD!
    >NOOOOOOO IT'S SUBVERSIVE PROPAGANDA I'M LITERALLY BEING GENOCIDED!
    Why are Gankertards like this?

  65. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    XVI and its landscapes just make me wish we could get beautiful medieval RPGs again. Like the Gothic series.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have SEgays ever touched other action games? XVI's combat is god awful, and it feels like they've been hyping up Ryota Suzuki without having played a DMC. They call anyone who disagrees with them "grandpa" but I doubt they've 100% any DMC.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meant for

        >NOOOOOO IT'S NOT REAL FF BECAUSE THE COMBAT ISN'T THE SAME AS IT WAS IN THE 80S!
        >I FEEL SO SMART WHEN I TELL MY PARTY MEMBERS TO ATTACK THE BAD GUYS AND OCCASIONALLY HEAL! HAVING TO ACTUALLY BLOCK AND DODGE IS TOO HARD!
        >NOOOOOOO IT'S SUBVERSIVE PROPAGANDA I'M LITERALLY BEING GENOCIDED!
        Why are Gankertards like this?

        btw

  66. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    BARRY FRICKING WON

  67. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based. As a real fan of action games, SE should have stopped making action games after KH2. I'm convinced they got lucky with that one. Turn based is their forte.

  68. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >back to moronic protagonists who can't communicate properly
    >who look like femboys
    >anime grunting galore
    XVI will be remembered as lightning in a bottle in 10 years

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      No way, they see there's an audience dying for mature characters who PLAP their perfect girlfriends, and FF will be a shining beacon in the sea of degenerate entertainment.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      grunting galore
      Dude, i went back and continued my FF7R platinum run on hard mode after finishing XVI, and you were right there's a lot of grunting when simple silence or grimace would suffice, XVI definitely benefited from the localisation's input into the script.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I already think that FF7 Remake designs look too anime, a bunch of ayy lmaos running around
      Actually think they'll stick to 16's designs in that regard, it has by far the coolest summons too

  69. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    All the westaboo directors like kojimeme and yoshitpiss needs to be axed. People buy japanese games want to play japanese games, not another westacuck title.

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