Some people may hate to admit this but the peak example of soul is World of Warcraft
Some people may hate to admit this but the peak example of soul is World of Warcraft
Some people may hate to admit this but the peak example of soul is World of Warcraft
that's why i play turtle wow
Is it possible to find groups on that server if you’re anything but a tank or a priest? I wanna be able to run all the dungeons, even the leveling ones, but I really don’t wanna level a warrior or healer
Yeah, but it'll take a while. Just like the good old days.
Stop trying to force your troony server
>cool Native American aesthetic
>bank, AH and forge+anvil are all a sensible distance away from each other
Undead is my favourite race but the Tauren have the best Horde city. The only issue is the little huts before all the bridges forcing you off your mount whenever you move through them.
You could do some jumping tricks through rooves to get to the other side while mounted.
It was indeed the best city.
It could've been easy enough to just plop some native american bullshit around but having Thunder Bluff be this towering city with a bunch of bridges, it's just so damn cool
>Tauren have the best Horde city
Wrong, neither gameplay wise nor visually.
Visually it's undercity
Gameplay wise it's ogrimmar
Very basic taste, dude.
I bet you didn’t even like Stone Talon or Desolace
Wrong on both counts
>Called Thunder bluff
>Is actually a mesa
Not sure why giant bipedal hooved humanoids would decide living in top of a mesa is a good idea. They'd have to carry water up every day. If the centaur destroyed the lifts they'd be fricked
Just drink milk
Tauren figured out how to build well pumps, and one of the mesa is big enough to have a lake/pond on it, they're set for water up there.
Tbh if you're trying to invade Thunder Bluff the last thing you'd want to do is destroy the lifts, the city is completely inaccessible by ground without them. In all likelyhood in an invasion scenario the Tauren would just want them disabled in the first place to protect their citizens while waiting for reinforcements and sending troops down by other means.
That's stupid. You cut off the lifts you cut off the only way to deliver supplies in or out of the city. How you would send troops down safely is another issue since the entire city is built so high that scaling down would take forever and falling would result in death. I mean I guess givin WoW they would have some bullshit asspull like using portals, air support or some goblin coming up with a pocket elevator. But semi realisticly, if the Tauren where still cut off from the horde their only real options would be portals or air support which they probably wouldn't have either so Centars would just have to kill the lifts and play the attrition game.
>I guess givin WoW they would have some bullshit asspull
True but that might also be a terrible idea. First off parachutes are one time use since there is no way back up so unless they win the fight then they are still fricked. Second their decent would still be slow as hell and would be easy to pick off while they decend so unless they somehow did it in secret or on one side where there wouldn't be troops they would still be pretty fricked,
I always assumed that's what the windmill was for.
People will overthink it, but it boils down to simple memetic subconscious memories influencing design choices
>Visually it's undercity
Subjective.
>Gameplay wise it's ogrimmar
>distance between AH and mailbox is about the same, distance between AH and bank is greater
>forge & anvil is on the other side of the fricking city, making smelting, engineering and blacksmithing a huge hassle, whereas in TB it's right there next to the AH, bank and mailbox
Oh and also
>auctioneers in Org are inside, forcing you off your mount before you even reach them
>TB's auctioneers are out in the open
TB is also better situated relative to original wow raids in general.
I'm a Silvermoon Chad but Undercity is my second favorite. Orgrimmar is just peak city design everything is relatively conveniently placed and the Fred Flinstones look of the city adds a level of comfy you can't get in Stormwind.
>Silvermoon
Can we discuss how absolutely perfect, in the literal sense, Eversong is as a starting zone? Tirisfall, Dun Morogh, Elwynn, Teldrassil, etc. fricking pale in comparison visually and mechanically. The leveling is supreme, the architecture is inspired, the color palette is untouchable, the atmosphere rivals early Lordaeron, the music reflects plight of the Belves trying to hid their magical crackhead tendencies while still keeping up appearances, the whole package is superb and literally the best looking and designed zone in the entirety of the game.
Eversong is a bit too large for my liking but it is nice
well eversong is good because they hadn't made a starting zone in 3 years so they had lots of ideas saved up
shame about the blood elves though
pesky little things
>trying to hid their magical crackhead tendencies while still keeping up appearances
The music is really refined sounding with the use of harps, cellos, and choirs, something Blizzard never really replicated ever again, but somber and melancholy. I've always attributed it to semi destruction of Quel'thalas, the betrayal of Kael, the murder of Anasterian, and the genocide of the people by Arthas. They're trying to stand tall and rebuild, but it's surrounded by a lot of fricking sadness and hopelessness. The quests and music capture it perfectly. I don't know what fricking happened, but the team that worked on Eversong had a serious moment of clarity.
Eversong AND Ghostlands. The Ghostlands quest wraps up very nicely, the only disappointment being they didn't commit to making the final attack on Deatholme an actual dungeon. I really like the aesthetics of Scourge structures, but most of them hardly get used in WoW. In Wrath they went a totally dumb direction and tried to re-enact Mordor.
Yeah that was a pretty big disappointment. Considering Dar'Khan was almost solely responsible for the destruction of the entire Kingdom, he should have been at LEAST a dungeon boss, if not a raid boss in some way.
>When that chelo kicks in.
>When the chelo starts getting harsh.
really is fricking above S teir for all the race themes. Second best goes to Goblins. their theme is like a weird mix of The Muppets and the Hi-Ho song from Snow White.
*cello
Everything you said is true but 'le metrosexual memes' invalidate it because people are moronic.
I've given up at this point. It's been 16 years and people still not only meme about "gay elves", but are pissed that the Blood Elves were added to the Horde in the first place. It's like, damn, it's been almost two decades, let it go.
I knew a guy on MMOChamp that use to make anti-Belf threads all the time. He was a hardcore Thrall baragay. Not saying anti-belf gays are all like that but that certainly gave me a new perspective on how I was arguing with.
>but are pissed that the Blood Elves were added to the Horde in the first place
Rightfully so.
Understandable the first few years. But now that we've reached the near two decade mark, the only people still upset have severe mental illness.
Yeah I really love eversong. Don't know how Draenei got such a dogshit starting zone and city from the same xpack.
I thought the Draenei starting zones were fine, as a premise of these alien refuges fricking everything up and trying to do damage control for their own arrival and trying to make sense out of the new environment. The only part of it that sucks to me is how all the settlements and architectures are just ruins. Part of me wishes they went back and updated Azuremyst and Bloodmyst at some point to show them actually building their society there, but they'd probably just make them worse somehow in all honesty.
Though I prefer the Eversong music, both Azuremyst and Bloodmyst have absolutely fantastic music. I have all of the music for the Draenei and Belf zones on a playlist.
Now that I think about it though, doesn't it make sense that the vast majority of architecture is ruins? They just recently crashed landed by the time we're first introduced to them, and those lands used to be Highborne lands, which are now just ruins after the destruction of the Well of Eternity.
it does, but not for 15 years. Azuremyst isle is one of the most egregious "time capsule" zones in the game in how the entire plotline centers entirely around the Draenei JUST having crash landed like a week ago.
The thing I hate the most is how accepting everyone is of the Draenei.
>Be humans.
>Worship the light.
>Become pretty much hardcore jesus worshippers.
>All of a sudden a giant space ship filled with sexy futa blue goat space aliens crash on your planet.
>Turns out they also worship the same religion you do.
>Turns out your god is some giant wind chime from another world and has pretty much choses these blue goats as the real chosen people.
>Pretty much everything you have been doing when it comes to your religion is wrong.
>Other half of them worship the same religion as your most hated enemy.
>And they are blue futa goat aliens.
>Instead of being warry of them like they are with everything else that doesn't look vaguely human, they just accept them with open arms.
Really could have done a lot with them but whatever.
Depends on what you mean by gameplay.
In terms of PVP defense Thunderbluff is unrivaled.
It was really a big thing favoring horde for PVP raids in classic.
Stormwind, Ironforge, Darnassus? All very simple geometric district designs that don't require previous experience to navigate.
Raiding Thunderbluff? Half your raid gets lost and falls off a cliff.
Hmm i wanna buy a weapon of the AH. now i want to train that weapon.... shit its on the other side of the city
>gameplay wise it's orgimmar
I never post on Ganker but i had to take the time to do the captcha just to tap in and call you a frickin moron.
tb is bis, undercity 2nd. you absolute sweet summer child
>peak example of soul is World of Warcraft
not so fast boomersan
>hordeBlack folk fighting over who is living in the shinier turd
darnassus, if and sw shit on your dogshit capitals
If you're going to pick from nu-wow cities at least go for a good one like Suramar
boralus is kino
This. Suramar is leagues better. I'm not going to say you have bad taste, but that certainly is an unorthodox choice.
Suramar was a blast as a hunter before flying dropped. Using Disengage, the grappling hook, and engineering glider to parkour across rooftops was a real highlight when doing dailies.
The only thing I wish would have changed was the city cleaning up as the expansion progressed, so I could run around without having to fight demons or AN ILLUSION? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING....?
Boralus was excellent but suffered from being 10% substance and 90% fluff.
The main hub wasn't even in the city proper, you spent all your time in the harbor and had big walls sequestering you off from the rest of it, not to mention the same issues as Suramar where sections of the city were completely filled with hostile mobs and used for daily quests.
Was much more enjoyable as a city once you could fly and just drop into the decent parts.
terrible, just terrible taste
The only gameplay reason to be in Org over TB is for world buffs. TB is more convenient in pretty much every other way. TBs only real downside is how far away it was from Blackrock Mountain but once you are up to AQ raids TB is better.
>mfw thunder bluff during a rainstorm
But that's not gadgetzan
>still no new fresh
None of the Horde cities had decent maps.
Not even as cool as alpha version
>we were going to have this but people got too confused with multiple floors
>play horde for like 10 years
>still get confused by UC's center room
yeah
Org used to still get me on retail when I played. But I think that was because they've changed things around a handful of times so it can get confusing. And some profession trainers were tucked away in the most bizarre places.
its fricking color coded bro
I'm probably the only person who doesn't get confused by the Undercity. All the rest of the cities confuse the shit out of me however.
AAAAHHHHH IS THAT A SECOND FLOOR?????
SAVE ME BLIZZARDMAN
Ironforge > Thunderbluff > Undercity > Stormwind > Orgrimmar > Darnassus
>ironforge and thunderbluff both mog the everloving shit out of stormwind and orgrimmar and anyone with a brain hung out at the former
>blizzard doubles down on forcing stormwind and orgrimmar into being the capitals in the later expansions anyway
tbh I used to be mad about this but over time I come to realize that if blizzard put any resources into Ironforge or Thunderbluff they'd just fricking ruin them. Stormwind is just obnoxious with how much clutter is in there now and Orgrimmar is fricking disgusting and a pain in the ass to get around in before you can fly. I do not want to afk anywhere that plays this shit on loop:
cata completely ruined org
agree. It's so over the top. It used to be a chill place. I don't play anymore for a long time, but I remember it just being obnoxious
I enjoy Thunderbluff, best starting zone is Eversong Woods though. Incredible music and really pretty aesthetics.
based OST enjoyer
my faves are from WoD ironically
I tapped out of the vast majority of WoW music around WoD and beyond because it turned from being predominately calm ambient, to more intrusive with faster instrumentals and higher peaks. It's still well produced, but not really what I prefer. This is my favorite track from WoD.
I wish Shadowmoon Valley and other Draenor zones were in a real game and not trapped in WoW forever. I disliked WoD but the ambience of its zones is impeccable, it's just so on point I simply want to be there.
vanilla wow was soul, retail has been a soul crushing experience for the past 10+ years. Classic was pure forcedsoul
There are still bits of soul around, I truly think it's inherent to the DNA of World of Warcraft. No one keeps playing because the gameplay is any good but the world feels fun and interesting. There are still small things that you know a dev just wanted to put in because they liked it.
I think Crendor's top 10 pointless lists really exemplifies how unique WoW is compared to other MMOs.
Its unbelievable how absolutely dogshit Mulgore was compared to literally every other starting zone in the game. There is fricking nothing there, there's like 4 trees. Its not even as interesting as pic related because at least it has a god damn hill which is more than you can say about Mulgore.
I think that's the point anon. It's supposed to be a Steppe. The Tauren were a nomadic people that just roamed around, but they got sick and tired of being genocided by the Centaur, that they finally settled Thunder Bluff.
>Getting filtered by the best vanilla staring zone
Sucks to be you
best zone? maybe
Best leveling experience? Pretty bad, far too much running and all the caster mobs are overtuned
>best vanilla staring zone
That's Tirisfal in my book.
Equal parts spooky and cozy, I fricking love it so much.
Both are better than Durotar, what an absolute ugly shithole. Worst starting zone out of all them.
That’s the good part, it’s just serene.
I like Tauren but their city is dogshit. I've been playing the game for 20 years and I still end up crossing the wrong bridge.
>City is bad because you're a moron who can't remember 3 simple rises
All on you
Only thing I dislike about Mulgore is that it's bad for most professions. Compared to other zones you barely fight humanoid mobs so you never get linens, and you only really find ores if you hug the walls making you miss the appeal of just fighting beasts out in a massive oven field. Plus the town has frick all for trainers, you have to go to the city for basically anything.
was*
I could never get into the art style. Just looked blocky and sorta dull, almost like a N64 game.
when fresh?
What if you cut/burn down their gay little elevator. What are they gonna do?
The elevator is magic. It's not even attached to any ropes or pulleys or anything.
Only humans and their cities matter.
Non-humans should be purged.
https://turtle-wow.org/#/home
>be mad your game is soulless
>be mad people still prefer the old game
>go back and ruin the old shit so there's nowhere to run
wowtrannies are hilarious
>censoring the mindrape sex slave dialogue
>instead of just removing the mindrape sex slave
Do these people even think?
no, of course they fricking don't. It's also not about the changes; it's about the rush that comes from having the power to demand these moronic changes and during the height of the scandal, the bluehairs had a LOT of power and made a LOT of changes.
I imagine management let them do it to WoW to keep them away from D4.
I must admit I find it a little funny that the countless amount of changes they made to "protect women" just ended up in them erasing them entirely. References, dialogue, art, assets, all wiped out.
>just ended up in them erasing them entirely
invasive surgery doesn't imply a lack of consent though, do they consider all surgeons rapists?
>in the future there will be AI/neuralink simulators that take you back to the first time you walked into iron forge
>you will be also using a 2000 shitbox with shitty internet in the simulation and disconnect constantly
Will you?
>Some people may hate to admit this but the peak example of soul is World of Warcraft
True.
Only way to fix WoW now is to remake WoW. Keep it simple. Keep it Classic and you can update graphics, and update some class balances so balance druid and ret paladins are viable. Adjust all 40men dungeons into 10-20men raids. Similar to turtle WoW add the some of the new races and maaaaybe the new classes that MIGHT work with classic. Add more new 5men dungeons. Finished version of Hyjal in classic version. Maybe keep BC and Wrath worlds as well in the new remake. That's it I guess.
Leveling shouldn't be braindead, talents shouldn't be too complicated, raids shouldn't be a focus over 5men dungeon and finally, the game should be fun. That's it.
how would you make leveling not braindead? isnt wows thing just 'grind to win'?
Generally when people say they want to make leveling not braindead what they mean is "make it so if you ever pull more than one mob you die"
>isnt wows thing just 'grind to win'?
That hasn't been the case in WoW since Vanilla, and that was 16 years ago. Ever since TBC, the main way to level has been through questing. That's the first time linear questing hubs were first introduced that would funnel you around to each area in a zone instead of things being spread out and quests taking you all around the world. WoW has never really been about grinding in relation to leveling, just for gear, consumables, or cosmetics.
Similarly leveled enemies should pose a reasonable threat to players.
You don't have to go "pull two mobs = death" about it but combat should tax your character's resources, and allow players to make decisions like blowing all their energy (mana, rage, energy, health) spamming their abilities at the expense of extra downtime or trying use your energy as efficiently as possible to avoid downtime.
Shit like nu-WoW or XIV just has it so mobs deal like 0.01% of your health bar, none of your actions have any cost, and you 3 shot everything no matter what you do. It's just mind numbing fighting shit in those games.
TBC zones still followed that vanilla philosophy of giving the player like 10 quests all over the zone for the player to do all at once. WotLK was when it got really linear.
hmm interesting. so no risk makes combat boring? thank you for explaining, that does sound like ass.
This would require them to have to hire people who have passion and love the game and can stick to the source material and original ideas of the lore. You’re not gonna find any of that in zoomers or late millenials in Bay Area California. It’s best to just let go. Wow of old is never going to come back.
chuds refuse to accept but Horde is so much more soulful than Alliance.
I could never get into playing as a Blood Elf because their floaty jump animation really bothers me
I can't play races that have bad jump animations
A lot of the Belf animations always looked wonky to me. Can't stand their 2 hander stance either.
I can't play post MoP wow because it bricked the animations of literally everything
Absolutely no weight or punch to anything
Was that the expac where they tuned the animations to be overly cartoony? I swear they backported it into classic wow. It's so weird compared to the 2005 animations.
Ive seen so many literal drooling morons fall there, from level 8 to leve 60.
Why do people never learn?
Bad capital city or just unappreciated?
pretty bad, everything is annoyingly spread out when you're levelling professions; also have to run up that stupid ramp every frickin time.
In terms of efficiency, Darnassus would be the absolute best if it didn't take until WotLK for them to get a fricking anvil.
I don't think it's bad, it's issue is that it's even MORE detached from the world than Silvermoon is being remote and on an island and everything. People still visit Silvermoon and Eversong simply for their unique aesthetics, Exodar doesn't really have that going for it. If they ever eventually detached the two of them from being stuck in TBC, I think more people would go and appreciate it more.
It's comfy but it's not a very convenient city. If you were in that asscrack of the world as Alliance you'd be better off going to Darnassus instead.
Plus having to take a boat and walk the ramps just to get there was a pain in the ass. Adding a flightmaster INSIDE the city and letting you fly from it from Kalimdor was the best change any expac ever made.
its fine, i really love boralus
It's cool the first couple of times you visit before realizing how spaced out it really is. It feels like it shouldn't be, but maybe the circular shape makes it deceptively small at first glance.
I always found the IF->SW shift interesting.
Horde always had one actual capital - Orgrimmar. TB/UC were never really used by a large amount of people. A few people would use them because they liked them or because they wanted to be in a place with fewer people, but other than that, you could call them relatively death.
On the alliance side, however, Ironforge was the real capital at first. The main reason for this (in vanilla) was obviously because it was the city with an AH. With AH added in 1.9, some people started trickling over to SW, but it didn't really overtake IF then. In classic, the shift from IF to SW happened much faster (world buffs being one big reason), but IF still enjoyed its popularity near the beginning.
Org and Ironforge also were the only places with convenient dueling spots
Stormwind had the bridge out front, TB had an elevator death trap, Undercity had an elevator death trap and ruins, Darnassus lmao
I would also argue that Alliance cities in general are better placed. IF does a good job covering the nothern part of the Eastern Kingdom while SW covers the south. Org and TB are pretty much right next to each other, cover the same amount of space but Org ends up having way more shit so there is little point in going anywhere else.
>huge raid on town
>entire server gets alerted
>more and more elites come
>entire squad runs off the edge and parachutes away
It was moments like this.
My short time with WoW Classic was extremely fun.
>Constantly see this player on the same missions I am doing
>Interact with him
>Go questing together
>Meet new people and start questing together with them too
I only made it as far as Redridge/Duskwood but it was fun while it lasted. If only I can revisit that small time I had.
i want to go back in time to 2007
Will we ever get a good new MMO again?
Not from blizzard. No random team of devs is gonna run the risk of wasting millions for nothing either. Riot might come out of nowhere with an actual good game, but I doubt it.
How they used to be? Never again. With the ubiquity of the internet and development of social media, there is no way to recapture what once was. We'll never again have a sense of wonder or mystery or community. I did enjoy ESO for a few months though a couple years ago. I treated it completely as a single player game and had a lot of fun because I enjoy the Elder Scrolls world/lore.
WoW really had the magic of them setting a good chunk of the world in three previous games, with enough lore and thought behind everything that it made players hooked. I think if something has good world building, something like it could realistically work, and maybe even follow examples of what made it work. Of course that being said, early WoW was basically a chatroom with a fun game attached, which lured so many people to it, and WoW database sites like Thottbot weren't that thorough. So many people would also have to be encouraged not to just min/max, and raiding should only be a small part of the game.
I am so sad that Warhammer Online failed. It really had the atmosphere that WoW had, not the same kind but an equal level of earnest effort. It just came out so unbalanced with not a lot of content and still against WoW at its peak. If they had only given it maybe two more years, it could've flourished.
Discord and live service gaming have made sure a good MMO will never be made again. Your best bet is to find a community of like-minded boomers on a private server.
I have no idea how a modern MMO could even begin to curtail shit like datamining, autistic documentation, min/max optimisation autism over fun and varied builds, etc. From what I heard even a private server like Ascension, where you get access to every single ability and talent on the one character, has been minmaxed to a select few optimal builds that trump everything else.
I'd just like to see another MMO follow Runescape's old formula. Not a clone, I just mean something that's low budget with a small initial scope, but expand on it regularly with content updates so that it's exciting to keep checking out what's new with other people each update.
MMOs need to escape the AAA gaming to be good again, all a big budget ever means for an MMO is that it's going to play safe and be a WoW clone, and it's going to get like half-year long update cycles giving players way too much downtime to minmax, datamine and ruin the game for themselves.
there's quite a few of those around surprisingly but you never hear of them because they're buried on steam and are super obscure
Hills are stretched terrain. Terrible design choice
>urge to play old wow
>get on
>get to level 6
>get bored
>uninstall
every time
I don't think that has ever happened to me. Despite having done it a million times at this point, I find 1-30 very enjoyable, so it's rare to leave a character in that range. The first filter for me is in the early 40s region, the second at ~55.
1.0 is actually boring though, landscapes and cities look pretty but there isn't really much to do.
>tfw personal server with harem of waifu bots
Troll is the jannetty
orgrimmar lover here. I have memories that will stay with me forever of trying to play wow 15 years ago on a horrible computer. I got like around 10 frames per second in the city. Was super fun trying to traverse through it.
how many dicks can fit in that mouth?
this
and Silverpine Forest
undercity blows butthole
i miss waiting 10 whole minutes logging in and waiting for ironforge to unfreeze my computer
>logging out in a big city on a shit computer
but i wanna check the auction house
you can't walk outside of orgrimmar and then log out?
foolishness
frick the alliance
Frick them good
I'd like to take a small frick gnome and bust his butthole open and then stick my head up a dwarf's butthole at the same time
For me it's Stormwind and Goldshire.
>goldshire
>the only thing you can get from the nearby mine is copper
maybe it's depleted because of kobolds and all that's left is copper?
even the kobolds have only copper on them
the name is a hoax invented by big stormwind, there never was any gold near goldshire!!
>the ((nobles)) of Stormwind
Trash taste
>windmills and elevators
>no engineering trainer
Thunder Bluff is great, but its location is probably the worst after Darnassus. You save maybe 2-3 minutes flight path time to Silithus compared to Orgrimmar.
Horde players are all BBC fetishists and cuckolds.
>implying it isn't the complete opposite
Every time some homosexual goes on about Orc/Tauren wiener and they post their character they're either playing a female Human or Night Elf.
Favourite zone? For me it was Stonetalon Mountains. It just felt like a tonal shift from the barrens which was huge and thriving at the same time. A lot of narrow roads and the first encounters with Alliance players, steadily making your way up to the peak as you progressed through the quests and stuff. It was my favourite zone even in the Cataclysm revamp too.
It's not my favorite, but I liked it a lot when I played for the first time on classic release.
I play on a private server and just do missions, did 1 or 2 dungeons but I prefer just chilling farming or fighting alliance fricks
Dead game populated and staffed entirely by fricked-up perverts.
Wouldn't be caught dead playing it in 2023.
I'm surprised there was never any outrage over Tauren being native american. Even Age of Empires back then faced a lot of backlash for having native americans in their game.
Nice, I've been playing as a moo lately on the whitemane private server.
/moo
/moo
/train
/moo
/moo
/train
/moo
/moo
/train
/moo
/moo
>love TBC music
>love TBC zones
>love TBC cities
>hate TBC gameplay