Somebody help a zoomer trying to play Duck Hunt out. playing on a crt tv I HAVE used before for the game. I've taken apart my nes (front loader), cleaned all over with ipa, cleaned my games, cleaned the contact points of the controller ports, controller connectors, 72 pin connector (replacement one I bought), etc. Duck Hunt REFUSES to work. Every other game seems to work besides Tetris. When I shoot on the title screen, the screen flashes black instead of white. During gameplay, same deal. No white boxes. I disabled my lockout chip a while ago by prying off a specific pin but seeing as I read a tutorial and made fully sure it was the right pin, I doubt it was that. I'm at the end of my rope lol, I don't wanna use some shitty clone nes console that has shit video/sound quality. I'd REALLY appreciate some help!
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>he forgot to attach the scope module
Will zoomers EVER learn?
What kind of CRT is it and what region are you in?
Lol thank you so much for joking but actually being funny. I tried asking on Ganker and was recommended here! I live in the US, using an NTSC console and tv. I'm not sure exactly how to answer the second question. I have a Toshiba crt made in 2005, the model number being MD13Q41. I've had this same console, cartridge, zapper, everything work before on this tv so it's odd. I hope the info helps some. I've used an RF adapter, and composite cables so it's not either.
Thank goodness I still have my old one then. I can go ahead and replace the connector and start testing things out.
>Thank goodness I still have my old one then
luckier than i
look at videos of how to bend the pins back on them, and give it a good cleaning. when you bend the pins notice how the originals have good thick metal contacts compared to the shitty paper thin metal on the new ones
Lol should I try a toothpick, phillips head, or flat head?
a precision flathead should work i believe, just don't bend it too far. upon looking up info i just remembered the boiling technique exists, you could try that
https://www.retrofixes.com/2015/09/boil-vs-bending-will-boiling-nes-72pin.html?m=1
yeah i got mine in the trash, times sure are different
I think I bent them a bit too far :/ if I push the cart down the game won't work but if I just slide it in it seems to work fine. Though I'm having the same issue. I shoot a bunch and the screen will MAYBE flash white ONCE. Even when I don't point it at the tv when it flashes white, the game begins anyway. I'm gonna go ahead and see if the boiling technique helps me out.
Yeah, that’s some weird hardware issue with your now ancient piece of technology. Other anon can help you more than me. I know some enhanced definition CRTs can have problems with lightgun games but your tv is definitely not one of those.
Lol yeah it's VERY odd. It makes me really upset because I own every nintendo home console and each one works FLAWLESSLY minus the nes. Even my snes is in great condition, the shell is gorgeous and not yellowed at all thank god.
I was gonna say just buy a new one because they are dirt cheap but then I realized it isn’t 2009 anymore.
eBay wants 100-200 dollars for a basic b***h nes. Holy shit, I remember when people were basically giving these away.
Anyways good luck.
It is still 2009 on facebook marketplace.
Lol
Ow, jk
My God I have a fricking tick or something
I got to watch this happen before my eyes with the GameCube and it hurts so bad
I got a like-new limited edition translucent red N64 from Japan WITH all the cables and a mint controller two years ago for 90 dollars.
I am fricking shocked that a standard American NES is going for around 150 bucks average. That’s insane, totally inflated market.
It pisses me the frick off so damn bad. Why do I have to pay hundreds of dollars because I just so happen to be in my early 20s right now? Jesus did everyone destroy their copies of Mario games? They make MILLIONS of copies. It's fricking ridiculous man. This is why I mostly just use highly accurate emulators. Playing on real hardware and on a crt has such a charm though, I don't think I can take one over the other
I’m 31. When I was in middle and high school, people were giving their NES’s away, literally. Especially around the time of PS2. When AVGN hit it big is when prices started to creep up, but maybe like 40 bucks at most, it was individual games that steadily rose in price. You could walk in goodwill and find nes games and consoles for practically NOTHING.
200 dollars for a brick that sold tens of millions is unbelievable. That is greedy people taking advantage of younger generations fascination with retro. I guess you can’t blame them, but don’t fall for it.
This is why emulation is so important, eventually everything will hit these absurd highs.
It’s more important you have a low-hours CRT than console hardware because once the tubes go out on them they will officially be lost technology, unlike consoles which can at least be emulated, FPGA or otherwise.
Thankfully I do emulate much more. I have a nice little lcd tv as well I can tolerate using. When my crt goes out I definitely plan on taking it to someone to repair it if possible. I feel extremely thankful to even have emulation, not to mention the decompilations of games like sm64.
>It’s more important you have a low-hours CRT than console hardware because once the tubes go out on them they will officially be lost technology
1. Most flat panels have a game mode that disables additional processing and removes input lag
2. CRT only needed for fast action games, not necessary for slow stuff like RPGs
3. Tubes can be rebuilt, they used to do that in the 50s-60s. We will have to re-learn that ancient art perhaps
4. Putting brightness/contrast at 50% doubles a CRT's lifespan
Input lag is not the reason I or most people use CRT's, or at least not the primary reason. It's just the most authentic experience and look for the games. At the least, I have a 25k hour Panasonic CT-27L8G thats still kicking despite being a little dim and having crushed blacks at default brightness, but there are dozens more available in my area, enough that I'll be set for life.
>At the least, I have a 25k hour Panasonic CT-27L8G thats still kicking despite being a little dim and having crushed blacks at default brightness, but
"Default" brightness on most CRTs means the moronic-ass factory setting that jacks it to 90% because it looked better in store displays so the tubes didn't last too long.
By default I meant the actual center point on the brightness "scale", the real default or "normal" toggle on it sets brightness high as hell like a store display though, yeah.
Flat panels, even high refresh rate PC monitors, don’t have the perfect motion clarity CRTs have. That’s why with even the most impressive shaders imaginable, it still doesn’t quite look the same. I’m not a CRT supremacist (yes I am). I love shaders and I’m happy they exist but a real CRT is something you can’t truly recreate 100 percent on a flat panel.
Tubes can be rebuilt but it’s an economy of scale. The investment to have factories producing tubes would be absolutely massive for a such a niche audience. Not impossible though you’re right. I read somewhere they are still produced for specialty applications, like on older military craft, but who knows how true that is.
>don’t have the perfect motion clarity CRTs have
if you spend enough then they're close enough, and that'll hopefully trickle down into cheaper options in the next 10 years since i don't want to pay that much for a modern tv. it still isn't the same though
>Tubes can be rebuilt but it’s an economy of scale. The investment to have factories producing tubes would be absolutely massive for a such a niche audience. Not impossible though you’re right. I read somewhere they are still produced for specialty applications, like on older military craft, but who knows how true that is.
no, dumbass. I mean back in the 50s there was literally a cottage CRT rebuilding business where they rebuilt tubes by sawing off the electron guns and replacing them with fresh ones, then re-sealing the tube in an oven. sometimes they'd also replace burned phosphor, although you can only do that on monochrome tubes not color ones. prior to solid state TVs were much more expensive and not very reliable so repairs/rebuilds were commonly done.
>72 pin connector (replacement one I bought)
i'm blaming this, the new replacements are pos
i recently tried my front loader after not having used it in 10 years (had a replacement 72 pin put in it long ago) and the thing barely works anymore. i don't recall it being that bad before. cleaned all contacts internally and didn't help either, and i doubt it's any electrical components. caps appear good but could be shit, who knows. will probably swap it to an opentendo in the coming years
Got the connector in a pot and turned on the stove. How long should I boil it for exactly?
The OP has gotta be a bot reposting from some old-ass forum post, right? This can't be a real serious post.
>boiling connector maymay
>disable lockout chip maymay
>not using an Everdrive in 2023
It looks like something I'd read somewhere in 2004.
You have no friends. I get chan culture is to be a dick and call everyone Black folk but obviously OP is nice and looking for advice. Don’t be such a crusty mean homosexual.
I was willing to help the guy with the Commodore PET, even direct him to VCFED where there might be more knowledgeable people than here. I was willing to help the guy with the PC Engine that had scrambled graphics because he seemed to know what he was doing. But if you think an OP that reads like an early 00s forum post and is still reciting old discredited memes about le disable le lockout chip and boiling cartridge connectors is deserving of anything but derision...I wonder how many people back in 2003 fricked up their consoles doing those /b/ tier "fixes"?
Anon I was literally a year old in 2003. I got this nes in 2016 I believe and all my knowledge of fixes come from me trying to figure shit out on youtube. I have never found anything else besides the blinking light win, game genie, and the other previously mentioned "may mays". I'm not pulling any legs here man. I just want to play some fricking duck hunt.
tell me, what exactly is being "fricked up" here?
absolutely no damage is done to the 72 pin, it's nickel plated. disabling the lockout chip doesn't have to be destructive and even when it is done that way, it's easily replaced by any lockout chip from some garbage low cost broken game cart. even with it the owner chooses to disable it for whatever reason, there's no adverse effects. why do you think they omitted it from the top loader? besides cost savings of course. and all in all, it's just a toaster nes... who cares?
I PROMISE I'm not even kidding anon. I just want to play duck hunt. I disabled my lockout chip though! I'm literally just a big big Nintendo nerd in his 20s trying to have some fun on some original hardware for once.
guy is just a homosexual don't worry about him, do what you want
Lol Ganker was much more mean to me I got called a moron because an anon didn't think I didn't try the lightbulb trick with my zapper
All serious NES gaymers import an AV Famicom, a toaster NES is pretty valueless.
At this point I'll fricking take it. I boiled the connector and this shit fricking refuses to work. I pretty much just give up, I'm gonna play Super Mario Bros. until it inevitably freezes and I use retroarch. Does anyone have any decent alternatives that will allow me to play my ntsc carts and work on my ntsc crt? I would prefer original hardware but frick it as long as it plays duck hunt with accurate video and audio I don't give a shit anymore. My spirit is broken, I am not fixing this motherfricker.
Locally acquire another NES on facebook marketplace
I'm not sure how many times I'm going to have to say I'm not trolling. My care for this nes is dropping by the second. I have spent hours on this thing. I have tried every fricking trick in the book. I care about my consoles and my collection. All I have ever wanted is for this stupid fricking piece of shit to work. I have no idea how the frick this SINGLE piece of technology is this bad at functioning. I'm just tired of trying and trying and trying on this console. When I finally come to places that I believe would have someone smart enough to help me, I'm just seen as some jackass trying to make a quick joke. Well here's your punchline: I don't fricking care anymore. I give up.
top loaders simply don't have this problem, the toaster nes is just a piece of shit
Shame that the VCR NES has a infinitely more soulful design than the top loader...
I know that, I've considered it but the lack of av is such a buzzkill. I like to have options. Of course I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars for a modified one either just to play a few games. This shit just blows.
Import a Japanese one that does have AV out. They're less greedy in general so the price won't be too bad in comparision
Can I play my existing carts, and plug into my tv and outlet without a crazy amount of trouble? I'm ok with needing an adapter or two but I am not jumping over many more hoops.
You'll need at least a pin adapter but it comes without a lockout chip. Video signal is the same so should be fine for your TV. You'll need to do some kind of solution with a step down converter for the power. (Do your own research; I have no idea.)
you would get a Famicom Everdrive and play the ROMs from that instead. and don't use the original Japanese power brick, it's designed for 100V and will overheat in a 120V US wall outlet. a Mega Drive PSU will do for powering it. A NES power brick will produce magic smoke so absolutely do not use that in a Famicom. Ever.
my least favorite part about magic smoke is that it only comes out once
AV Famicoms don't either and you can even use ext. cartridge audio with them. Also they don't have shitty RF output like top loader NES.
yeah considering whether i want to get one of those or mod a toaster to finally play nes in less shit quality one day. the toaster just has soul though
you need an adapter for carts, i think they're 10-20 usd? power supply i'm not sure. from 2 seconds of research it looks like you could use a us snes power supply but i'm unsure and no one should follow this advice unless confirmed
if the OP is true and not a troll he hasn't yet graduated to the cultural and mental development needed to play Doublemoon Densetsu or unlicensed FDS eroge anyway
>But OP, I can show you so many things. I can show you Digital Devil Story, Doublemoon Densetsu, Idol no Hakkeden, and...
>No I wanna play Duck Hunt I wanna play Duck Hunt I wanna play Duck Hunt!!!
That's what he sounds like.
I'm sorry for wanting to play duck hunt instead of whatever games you guys want me to play. I should really just drop all my hobbies and interests and just do what I'm told.
Famicom stuff can be an intimidating proposition to play. I've only bothered with short NROM stuff and haven't tried to tackle translated RPGs or anything major.
Haha oh my fricking god dude you have never and will never kiss a female human on the lips.
These are toys for children. Duck Hunt is better than that slop anyways.
you're posting on /vr/ too. talk about stones in a glass house.
maybe we should get a thread for Famicom RPG enjoyers, been a while since the last one
I have a toaster NES and an Everdrive. Yeah I know I can't play Mr. Gimmick or Doki Doki Panic unless I want to have a bunch of missing sound, but oh well. I never found getting games to work to be that big a hassle though. Some carts would be annoying but they always work after some wrestling with them.
Guys, thank you for the help. I'm gonna leave the forum now. I just got done screaming about all of this, and I'm not the kind to get heated like that. I'll consider getting a famicom av one hundred percent. I really really appreciate those that took me seriously and genuinely tried to help me out. I'm gonna be honest people being buttholes to me, constant trouble shooting, and prices rising have absolutely destroyed any passion I had left for collecting games. I have collected since I was ten. It hurts to have your favorite hobby destroyed in front of your eyes.
I am still very passionate about games but my love for collecting physical games has been shredded. I just emulate more often than not.
So am I despite the fact that I have a plebian toaster NES and haven't tried to play Hacker International games.
best of luck to you. the av famicom should treat you infinitely better, just triple check what psu setup you use before you plug it in
it's still doable in a lot of cases, just try out new games on emulators and make deliberate occasional purchases. but it still sucks. at least i've been using it as an excuse to play a lot of games i bought and should have played but never did. and plenty of good games are out there that are still a good price. it still truly is nothing like how it was before though
I'm the same two posts you replied to. Thank you so so much and thank you to the other anons that suggested the famicom av. I will be certain that I buy the correct ac adapter/converter so I don't fry anything. I doubt my love for collecting will ever be like it once was after all this stuff going on. At the end of the day, I kind of prefer emulation in a way. The convenience, preservation, hacks, enhancements like overclocking and upping the internal resolution...It's a beautiful little community. I will try to do you guys justice however and get the famicom av when I've got the extra money for it. I don't plan on throwing out my front loader, it still plays a few games pretty fine. I'm gonna go for real this time, I genuinely really appreciate all the help and advice.
it's no problem, i normally don't talk about retro gaming despite having been into it for so long, because everyone in it tends to be pretentious nowadays. so it was an enjoyable conversation.
if you're sick of it and want a mix of both you could consider a mister fpga too though
What type of CRT are you using, is it a HD one? They don't work with the zapper
>62 posts
>8 IPs
so yeah, you might guess that the toaster NES was the discount export version of the Famicom much like Japanese cars in the '80s where they kept all the cool engines and other features for themselves and we only got one drivetrain and two trim levels.
Duck Hunt is entertaining for about 5 minutes. There are better games you could play.