Sonic Frontiers update in 2 days. Thoughts?

I'd once again like to provide context as a Frontiers modder:

While there is evidence of a new boost in the files, there's no actual evidence of any momentum-based physics in regards to gaining speed downhill, losing it uphill, etc.

While there's a slight chance there will be actual "momentum" in the final update to compensate for this new boost, there's currently nothing that "confirms" it within the files.

I think it's likely they just simply will increase Sonic's base speed without slopes having a large effect. I do hope there is momentum because not everything about the update is currently in the files, but it's just not "confirmed" as of now.

The momentum "leak" that's being going round is fake, don't believe everything you hear.

To be fair, Kishimoto literally played Spark 3 to study momentum to include it in a future game lol. Hell, the spindash and some other features were added in the updates because people begged Kishimoto to add them on twitter

president fark 2024

>told Lange to frick off when he was making Spark 1

https://x.com/VAdePEGA/status/1701511887605694771?s=20

thanks anon!

>stand up to Lange
Lange is just a guy. Why do teenagers like to make such major deals about nothing.

>You don't get it.
I guess because I'm not a child. I've spoken to Lange multiple times over the years. He's just a guy who's highly opinionated on certain aspects of game design, and can be easily ignored outside that.

Lake "standing up" to Lange isn't something to be impressed by, if anything it just makes everyone else look like a bunch of pathetic b***hes.

A lot of people here are just dumb teenagers who are still in their "I love pointless drama" phase, so it makes sense.

Lange is just a guy with opinions. He is only as important as people choose to make him.
These kids coming out now acting like he's some horrible monster or dictator just look like idiots.

Lake's move isn't unprecedented, it's just the result of someone going "Oh yeah, I'm on the internet, which means I can ignore practically anyone I want regarding my own projects." A shame this can't be seen as common sense in certain circles. You make the fangame scene sound like a bunch of monkeys bashing rocks together, although there's probably some truth to that.

See

https://x.com/VAdePEGA/status/1701511887605694771?s=20

Lange wanted to tell Lake how to make his own game, he also wanted to take over the project in general

Lange is also a programmer and was trying to make Lake use his code

https://twitter.com/DamashiK/status/1626907687505084416

They still don't understand slope physics with how frontiers spindash has moon gravity instead of actual physics. I doubt their next game will have slope physics. They will just double down with frontiers gameplay

There's that sonic brand autism

>While there is evidence of a new boost in the files, there's no actual evidence of any momentum-based physics in regards to gaining speed downhill, losing it uphill, etc.
Values and settings for slope physics/running momentum/whatever the frick you want to call it have been in the game since day one, they just weren't enabled. An Advanced 2 style boost mechanic wouldn't even work without slope physics, so it checks out that ST is just going to enable them again come Friday.

Either way Evan still sucks wiener. Look at this weak ass panel. Game sonic would have saw the electricity in bullet time and dodged it before curb stomping surge. This shit is so fricking weak. I cant name one cool standout thing sonic has done throughout the entirety of IDW. I cant even fricking name one cool thing the Ocs have done in IDW even though they take up 90% of the screentime

Or getting trapped by Eggman's time machine thing in 06, or all of Knuckles' traps in 3K.

People that worship shonen like it's ever been good is a fricking joke. Sonic has never once been some omni level god capable of winning anything without "the power of friendship". It's literally still happening even in Frontiers.

Or getting trapped by Eggman's time machine thing in 06, or all of Knuckles' traps in 3K.

No, like how he dodges lightning in every sonic game that has it

Admittedly my first post was a bit hyperbolic. I don't want him to stomp everything with zero effort. I just want him to be cool again
He hasn't done anything cool in IDW. The writers just seem to make him a bit incompetent to add tension instead of just making the enemy someone that can contest him. The only reason surge survived so long was because he was being merciful to the point of being slightly out of character. She is weak

The fact that they made her weak so they could position sonic as the antagonist and her as the antagonist is emblematic of there inability to write sonic. Ocs are supposed there to support the main cast not replace them

Are the sonic comics worth reading? Should I start with the originals in the early 90s, or whenever it started? I like sonic but have never read any of the comics.

Don't bother. Archie is a rollercoster of legit good stuff and extreme mind rotting autism and IDW is wasted potential and dull. Only Character IDW really pulled off well was Dr Starline

If you want a fun read without catching the severe autism of the comic continuities, I'd recommend IDW's Classic Sonic specials. Scrapnik Island is a good standalone story too.

No

Archie peaks at issue 50

A temporary sidegrade that wasn't needed in the first place before changing that for moronic reasons.

what's wrong with the Adventure games?

I disagree because they play nothing alike

Take off the nostalgia goggles

This right here

Nothing. I just think the gameplay was surpassed by later the newer 3d games.

Ignore the later.

> but i can't see why anyone would pick Sa1,2 and heroes over frontiers aside from nostalgia.
Better controls, original levels, better stories, better music, actual level design, better art design, you can actually go fast, no 2D shit, plus a million other reasons.

I really am tired of "levels in the sky" design. It's dogshit. it only works if there's floating islands, not extremely extended pillars or bridges.

It's literally just laziness because there's no reason you couldn't replace all of that, as in, the rails or paths, with textured terrain that actually looks organic. Take the layout of Final Rush and just fill in all the negative space with cliffs, hills, plateaus, walls, caves, overhangs, etc etc. Just fill in the space instead of just having 3D Pipe Maze on Windows 98 the game.

Literally no Sonic game has done this in 3D.

Oh, you're complaining about environment design.
Mostly, but I still agree with your point regardless, there's just this obvious "style" Sonicgays call good level design and it has been a problem since the Adventure era titles.

Which is what Spark 3 is based on, almost to plagiaristic levels.

>I'm talking about how the level design itself is incredibly lacking despite the devs having the perfect opportunity to just go apeshit with adding additional paths, rails, and springs floating around and criss-crossing in mid-air without needed to worry about the "grounded" aspect of a given stage's environment.
Honestly, you can still do that while still making it feel organic and "believable", one of the major complain to Frontiers when it was revealed was the ugly floating cyberpunk rails despite past games also having floating, cyberpunk or otherwise looking rails. The differences was back then 90% of the time they actually were incorporated into the environment, with SA2, the game rails were introduced, having both one of the best and one of the worse use cases of them, with City Escape being the best, then just going buckshit random with them in Final Rush, like a kid finding out what a new toy can do and then spamming it everywhere like shit on a wall.

Yeah, I agree. I just wish I had the time to mod or just make my on game just to really flesh out Sonic's world with intrigate level design. It gets really depressing thinking about what could be only for 25 years of wasted time and potential...

>There's literally nothing wrong with it
sub iq post detected

And when was this character made? Oh right in a Mario Party ripoff 25 years ago. You might as well say there are 8 chaos Emeralds thanks to Sonic the Fighters.

Supposedly it “deepens” the lore

>It doesn't even say the ancients made the emeralds,
The point is that the emeralds aren't native to Earth and comes from aliens in some capacity. Doesn't really explain why the Master Emerald IS native to Earth though.

>They already came from another dimension originally in the special zones.
But that requires them to connect back to classic era but they can't because the changes since modern started separated the logistics too much to make that make sense anymore.

>It doesn't even say the ancients made the emeralds
Frontiers states outright that they're native to the Ancients' homeworld.
Maybe they didn't create them, but it's effectively the same shit, i.e. Sonic Team needs everything to have some kind of space/alien-centric backstory for some bizarre reason.

The Ratchet and Clank approach wouldn't be as abrasive if the games regularly involved Sonic visiting other planets.
Instead it feels like someone on Sonic Team wants to build the series into some kind of space drama while also setting every game either on Earth or some equivalent planet that casual audiences aren't even aware is supposed to be different from Earth anyway.

>hey how do we explain this world and how it works properly again for a new generation
>should we put effort in it and add some depth?
>why? sega will just ignore it for the next game anyways
>alright frick it, its all aliens then

You're the newbie if you think paragraphs is reddit spacing, newbie.

>If I call them autistic I'll win!
Not how that works, kid.

>You fricking wot, m8?
Typical cartoon shit in past west verses past east is not the same you disingenuous homosexualron.

Sonic has never once in modern era acted like a joke (pre Colors). It's all genuine and sincere.

One cherrypicked example. One that lessens over time in every game after
You Black folk like to use 20 year old "evidence" for modern day Sonic problems, don't you?

>"never once".
Is a statement that means "of worth" aka, a big enough deal to make it feel like the standard, aka, the identity of the IP.
You using fricking Dr. Slump as a comparison to Sonic is as Black personly as it gets because, obviously, Modern Sonic does not act on the same narrative spectrum when the only point you can use happens in less than 10 secs. And spin offs where the mainline games don't even try to acknowledge UNTIL Ian took over in Frontiers then suddenly EVERYTHING is canon now, even fricking Boom characters somehow.

>had plenty
That is, 10 secs max per game, isn't equal to the hours of try hard serious shonenslop that moderngays worship above all else. This is like trying to trick people into thinking modern Sonic ever was about classic Sonic physics when only 20% of SA1 and 2 combined contains moments of it, while the entire series since NEVER had it.

>That is, 10 secs max per game
Considering the amount of games this series has, that's all you really need to establish a consistent approach.
Yes, the series made jokes before Colors. Not constantly, but it did. You're just going to have to get over it.

>only used Slump as an example because the Genesis games took obvious elements from it.
Key word. Elements. Not all of it. And comedic, magic, or other elements DB ever had is all but surface level fluff. Maybe out of shame of plagiarism and finding out (ffs they started shitting themselves when they didn't know Sonic was already a brand name in the states and had to quickly change it to SegaSonic with the arcade game that used it only to find out they could use Sonic as long as it was with "the Hedgehog" they had nothing to worry about) but the idea this IP was ever written as well as toriyama, jokes or seriousness otherwise is a fricking clown that needs medication. This blatant lying that Sonic was this and that when the modern games today shows clearly what they want to directly pander to to plagristiical levels shows exactly what Sonic isn't, and saying what he used to be yet you still don't see the irony of this shit is just insanity.

>That is, 10 secs max per game
Considering the amount of games this series has, that's all you really need to establish a consistent approach.
Yes, the series made jokes before Colors. Not constantly, but it did. You're just going to have to get over it.

>Considering the amount of games this series has,
Time matters more than amount. You're not going to come off like you're right when every generation of Sonicgays all like Sonic for completely contradictory reasons to each other. You're the only that needs to cope with that and get over it, I see it for what it fricking is.

And I'm talking about the fact that people think any of this shit is worth salt when it's all been handled so poorly and this moronic idea starting with

>nuking a planet
Yeah, just ignore how nobody was actually affected by it outside of Dark Gaia's influence making them slightly sad.
>nuking a moon
The same moon that went back to normal by next game. You might as well say Master Roshi and Piccolo are evil for doing the same, despite both settings making it clear it had less than zero consequences.
>nuking a city almost
He made a dud bomb despite the fact that he has an IQ of 300, tried to "set it off manually", only to immediately abandon it just by seeing Tails and decided to just use a giant robot.
>KILLING a princess in 06
He died too, nimrod. You act like he intentionally tried to kill her when his ship just exploded from a faulty engine.

Nothing Eggman has done up to that point escalated beyond typical saturday morning cartoon shenanigans. Then Ian suddenly decided he wanted Eggman to be this amoral monster because he resfuses to let go of his Archie fanfic, while trying (and failing) to make him "sympathetic" on top of it all. So now we get this bipolar, inconsistent Eggman that's a significantly worse foil to Sonic in every conceivable way.

that SEGA's Sonic was ever written with a pallet of taste and standards over what Ian shat out in IDW is a load of hogwash

You got homosexuals both saying Le Eggman and his evilness is more justified in the games because the fricking games chooses to take some shit seriously and others like wacky Dr.Slump n shiet while also ignoring how no one even DIED from le covid grey goo virus after Sonic saved the planet withe power of super sonic friendship at the end of that shitty arc all because people cannot stand Ian Flynn making Archie Sonic type written for a mandated Sonic era when it's all the same shit any outsider looking at it all objectively. This is all just mass history and autism over le west verse east writing in Sonic when it all is just dogshit, from being inferior to the sources it stole from to the joke writers that can't write real literature worth shit.

>Context matters, autist-kun
And that context is
>Ian Flynn bad
>SEGA good
Ian Flynn over dramatize a IP known for undermining said drama for equal or even greater live threatening scenarios to the point of lunacy. My point is Ian is a moron for trying to fix a broken stone wheel with water and dirt while SEGA is moronic for trying to drive a car with stone wheels in the first place, regardless if they were broken.

>I don't think he's a bad writer at all
I think he is, which is why I said he's bad but that SEGA isn't bad when they are is the problem.

>And SatAM Eggman/Archie Eggman are completely different characters.
I know. Which is why I called him a hack. It's only a problem with IDW because it's not le arcihe but the bastard that did Archie is still writing for the comic and cannot adapt. It's literally no one's fault but SEGA's because they were too lazy to hire new writers. Only a moron would think he'd write the game's writting style when it's clear he cannot.

>That is nowhere close to him actually causing characters to suffer
Mate grow some fricking balls, being mind controlled isn't fricking torture when you're not even consensus to know that you are being mind controlled by a literal computer virus. Having to fear the planet you live on is going to be NUKED is far fricking worse. At least a pandemic is preventable, in enough time and with the proper precautions. While a fricking laser going at the speed of light to the face fricking, isn't.

>One cherrypicked example
Anon they made an entire comedy short for Unleashed, you fricking baboon.

>"never once".
Is a statement that means "of worth" aka, a big enough deal to make it feel like the standard, aka, the identity of the IP.
You using fricking Dr. Slump as a comparison to Sonic is as Black personly as it gets because, obviously, Modern Sonic does not act on the same narrative spectrum when the only point you can use happens in less than 10 secs. And spin offs where the mainline games don't even try to acknowledge UNTIL Ian took over in Frontiers then suddenly EVERYTHING is canon now, even fricking Boom characters somehow.

>had plenty
That is, 10 secs max per game, isn't equal to the hours of try hard serious shonenslop that moderngays worship above all else. This is like trying to trick people into thinking modern Sonic ever was about classic Sonic physics when only 20% of SA1 and 2 combined contains moments of it, while the entire series since NEVER had it.

And before you bring up le Advance series, by Advance 2 it already was getting overshadowed and undermined with forced boostshit like mechanic that later became said boostshit mechanic. Every example of "it USED to do this... but for like a sec or two" as a argument is pathetic and shameless because the series clearly shows over time why your argument is just pathetically nonconsequential.

Imagine avatargayging as fricking Crash of all games while pretending like Sonic has always been serious business. There's irony and then there's this pathetic shit.

You heard it here, folks. "Sonic's Ass Game" is NOTHING like Sonic.

My God, what is it with this franchise that attracts all the wack-jobs?

>Or is Sonic 1 just "Mario Speedrunner"?
Yes

ok moron

>No U
You're going to keep giving me >(You)'s and I'm all for it

SA2 is better than Galaxy.

>SA2 is better than Galaxy.
>He said when the gimmick Galaxy makes an entire game of came from this game and plays like total dogshit.

>Galaxy's gimmick originated from a boss in Yoshi's Island.
Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that? That Nintendo would look at a 2D game that doesn't actually use gravity mechanics just a graphical effect that came out decades ago instead of the last recent platformer that tried (and failed) to do it right so they can learn how to do it right and take credit for doing it right?

>Yes, more so than anyone believing they'd pull an entire game's central gimmick from one of the worst levels in SA2.
I don't see how when everything in that image is of a concept either dogshit or just basic b***h shit people undermined but the second Nintendo does its either "Ahead of its time (Virtual Boy) or a masterpiece of ingenuity only Nintendo could have achieved".

>Yes, more so than anyone believing they'd pull an entire game's central gimmick from one of the worst levels in SA2
You're a legit stupid butthole if you don't think SA2 was not an inspiration in some way over a forgettable gimmick boss in a 2D SNES game.

>Or is Sonic 1 just "Mario Speedrunner"?
Sonic has been "Mario but cooler" from day 1, anon. So yes, that isn't that far off. Maybe you should learn to lighten up and not take things so seriously.

But it doesn't play anything like Mario.

Even Marble Zone is nothing like a Mario level.

>Le Tawna
Dielate.

>20 year old

Sonic Adventure is 25 Years old anon…

>Typical cartoon shit in past west verses past east is not the same you disingenuous homosexualron.
Anon you aren't even speaking english at this point.
>Sonic has never once in modern era acted like a joke (pre Colors).
Why make it obvious you've never played a fricking Sonic game before? This is embarrassing, holy shit.

>Literally ruined Sonic since S2.
Kek, I stopped reading here. have a nice day.