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Last good gen. Moving to 3D was a mistake.
>moving to 3D was a mistake
True every gen past 3 was terrible
Pokemon moved to 3D with XY. In the main series at least.
>But muh 3D buildings even though the entire gameplay is 2D
play the game kalosperm
…so hoenn is 3D as well then.
post me a gen 3 gif where a character moves on a 3d modelled landscape in 3 dimensions, kalosperm
3D Pokemon didn't really do away with the grid until Sun and Moon. X and Y aren't really any different from previous games, gameplay-wise. Megas and Fairies were new, but those could've been done in 2D. I dunno, I just never understood why people hated 3D Pokemon this much, even though the game itself barely changed. Sun and Moon was really the least forumalaic game since Red and Blue.
>Borts don't have eyes that's why they thing Gen 5 looks good
>Cant even tell what basic 3D is
It all comes together.
>the 3D doesn't count as 3D because it happens to be in a game I like
You could just try finding actual reasons to not like XY instead of just making yourself look like a disingenuous inconsistent moron. But I guess that would require too much effort and thought for you, huh?
Those crunchy ass shitty buildings.
Just the way I like it!!!!!
>Moving to 3D was a mistake.
Yeah, it’s why gen 5 looks so ugly
Honestly, i disagree.
I think Gen 7 was pretty great, probably not as good as Gen 4-5, but i think it's on par with Gen 3 at least.
>spastic thinks there was ever a chance of a remade Gen 5 in Gen 9
Once every new system. So mark down 2028, it's the next viable remake year
>3D didn't start with gen 6!
>When XY's whole selling point was literally 3D
How did kalosperm became this delusional?
>3D limited to specific areas of the game
are kalosperms so daft that they cannot tell apart stereoscopic 3d from gameplay 3d
by this asinine kalosperm logic switch games are not 3d lol
>White version has the black legendary
>Black version has the white legendary
WHY
YinYang moron. Even a toddler would figure it out
Stop talking Chinatown to me you weeb
>THE DS POKEMON GAMES ARE 3D POKEMON GAMES BROS!
>2D pokemon in them
>not playable in actual 3D
Get better bait and please learn what 2.5D is.
>>not playable in actual 3D
see
dumb kalosperm
>b-but Pokemon are sprites!!!
mario in paper mario is a sprite but nobody would doubt that not acknowledging paper mario as 3d is a brain damaged take
That’s not playable in 3D. Pokemon games from XY onward are playable in 3D modes.
Also, Mario games have a clear split between 2D and 3D gameplay games, so even if Mario is a 3D model like in Wonder, it’s a 2D Mario game, while something like Odyssey and Galaxy is 3D.
Meanwhile, Pokemon games are divided along if you can move in more than four directions and if, most importantly, the Pokemon are represented by sprites or models and have individualized animations with the battles being rendered in 3D space and not abstracted. Building assets being 3D for a slight camera effect isn’t how the games are divided at all.
the character in the gif literally moves in three axes kalosperm
play the fricking games
>muh layers
This has always existed.
>kalosperm thinks that ground layers in a 2d environment rendered via a sprited map is comparable to a 3d environment that has its own model
i understand you want to believe that your horrible game is the first 3d game but you gotta get better arguments kalosperm
>rendered differently!
Makes no functional difference
Again, building assets being 3D for a slight camera effect isn’t how the games are divided at all. Learn what 2.5D is.
Also, why do you keep calling me a Kalosperm? I fricking hate Kalos.
>Makes no functional difference
in terms of determining how many dimensions a game has? it's one of the main factors
>Again, building assets being 3D for a slight camera effect
you havent played unova in ages i get it
play through castelia city for 5 minutes then come back to see that its not a slight effect
>Learn what 2.5D is.
2d gameplay in a 3d environment .. like street fighter 6
in unova games you demonstrably move in three axes during gameplay
>Also, why do you keep calling me a Kalosperm? I fricking hate Kalos.
you are playing right into kalosperm narrative because they take pride on the FALSE claim of their trash game being the first 3d game
even if you're not a kalosperm you're helping them spew garbage by taking their objectively false side
>it’s one of the main factors
Well no, if it can be also done with no 3D assets like in Fortree
>castelia
Exceptions don’t disprove tendencies. Majority of the time it’s just used for a better scroll as you move in a grid
>2D gameplay in a 3D environment
Wrong. There no point in arguing anything if you frick up definitions
>Kalosperm narrative
Nope. They hate being called the first 3D game because people rightfully associate it with the downfall of Pokemon. They try to say the DD games are 3D to deflect to them.
>Well no, if it can be also done with no 3D assets like in Fortree
which is done completely differently, no 3d involved, and looks different as result
>Exceptions don’t disprove tendencies. Majority of the time it’s just used for a better scroll as you move in a grid
with all due respect you need to pay more attention to what's going on in the game
>Wrong. There no point in arguing anything if you frick up definitions
show me your definition? because the first definition says
2.5D (two-and-a-half dimensional) perspective refers to gameplay or movement in a video game or virtual reality environment that is restricted to a two-dimensional (2D) plane with little or no access to a third dimension in a space that otherwise appears to be three-dimensional and is often simulated and rendered in a 3D digital environment.
so literally just 2d gameplay in 3d environment - something untrue in unova because you move on 3 axes all the time
>Nope. They hate being called the first 3D game because people rightfully associate it with the downfall of Pokemon. They try to say the DD games are 3D to deflect to them.
no because of the kalosperms that downplay the golden age (hgss and gen 5) by showing singular shots or out of context comparisons to make it seem like their game is superior
people thinking that xy is the first 3d game makes this angle easier for then
>looks different
Just like Gens 1-5 looks vastly different from Gens 6+ my a larger amount. I could show you an IRL photograph of a 3D scene but it’s still a 2D photo, so final appearance is only being used by you if it happens to support you.
>pay more attention
You should pay more attention to the definition of 2.5D and the fact that the DS games closer resemble previous game than subsequent games in terms of visuals.
>show me your definition
The using of both 2D sprites and 3D models in tandem
>downplay the golden age
By saying it did 3D worse, yes. Thanks for actually understanding the board and not being a newbie tourist
>Just like Gens 1-5 looks vastly different from Gens 6+ my a larger amount.
gens 1-3, 4-5, 6 and 7-9 are all their own beasts though
>I could show you an IRL photograph of a 3D scene but it’s still a 2D photo
so all games are 2d because they are pictures on a screen, with the sole exceptions of 3ds gens cause they do stereoscopic 3d???
>You should pay more attention to the definition of 2.5D
>The using of both 2D sprites and 3D models in tandem
this is not "the" definition of 3d but your own definition at best
meanwhile i literally went to wikipedia for mine, and by wikipedia definition unova is not 2.5d
>By saying it did 3D worse, yes.
it didnt do 3d worse and kalosperms know this so their only line of attack is to claim that unova wasnt 3d at all
bringing up facts destroys the "argument" kalosperms use
>subdiving further
I get that that’s possible, but if someone is saying something between 2D Pokemon and 3D Pokemon, they actually mean the Pokemon primarily
>so all games are 2D except 3DS
And Switch, yes. Not for the reason you think.
>wikipedia
They say picrel is 2.5D. Plus, it’s Wikipedia. We’re talking about specifically creating a split within pokemon itself. By your definition all the games are 2.5D since RBY because there are stylistic stairs and ladders.
>it didn’t do 3D worse
I agree, I’m just telling you what kalosperms usually say and anyone would know that if they spent more than a week on /vp/
Forgot pic
>if someone is saying something between 2D Pokemon and 3D Pokemon, they actually mean the Pokemon primarily
that's a poor criterion for the same reasons why nobody would call paper mario anything but a 3d game
>They say picrel is 2.5D.
specifically because there is only one plane and every position on the x and z axes has only one corresponding position on the y axis, which is not the case in gen 5
>By your definition all the games are 2.5D since RBY because there are stylistic stairs and ladders.
there are no 2.5d pokemon games in my perspective
1-3 are 2d, others are 3d
>I’m just telling you what kalosperms usually say and anyone would know that if they spent more than a week on /vp/
ive been here since 2016 bro, there are many threads in which kalosperms flaunted the (false) info that kalos was the first 3d game
>poor criterion because of paper mario
Again, as I already explained, that’s because the main difference between half of Mario games lies in movement, not models vs sprites. Between SMW (all 2D assets) NSMBDS (mixed assets) and SMBW (almost completely 3D assets) they’re all considered 2D by fans because of the style of gameplay being distinct from 3D Mario games like Galaxy, 3D World/Land, Odyssey, and even Paper.
The standard is different with mainline Pokemon games because they all simulate 3D movement using different assets with the main focus always being two dimensions, so we have to find another distinction to fit when people say 2D Pokemon vs 3D Pokemon. And how the Pokemon and people are represented, as well as them moving in 4 directions, tend to be the most obvious way to seperate the games into 2D and 3D eras, as well as being able to actually play in a 3D mode.
>not the case in Gen 5
But it still isn’t even consistent with its own definition as well as yours, which is my point. It’s Wikipedia.
> there are no 2.5d pokemon games in my perspective
Even though Gens 1-3 fit your own moronic definition of 2.5D? Sure.
>revisionism
Nice try
>Again, as I already explained, that’s because the main difference between half of Mario games lies in movement, not models vs sprites. Between SMW (all 2D assets) NSMBDS (mixed assets) and SMBW (almost completely 3D assets) they’re all considered 2D by fans because of the style of gameplay being distinct from 3D Mario games like Galaxy, 3D World/Land, Odyssey, and even Paper.
>The standard is different with mainline Pokemon games because they all simulate 3D movement using different assets with the main focus always being two dimensions, so we have to find another distinction to fit when people say 2D Pokemon vs 3D Pokemon. And how the Pokemon and people are represented, as well as them moving in 4 directions, tend to be the most obvious way to seperate the games into 2D and 3D eras, as well as being able to actually play in a 3D mode.
thats a lot of words to justify mental disability of the average pokemon fan
the truth of something is not determined by how many people claim it, otherwise pla would officially be an open world gamd
>But it still isn’t even consistent
untrue
>Even though Gens 1-3 fit your own moronic definition of 2.5D?
do they have most/all of the environment rendered via models?
of course not, they don't have any models to begin with. not 2.5d
simple
if you never saw kalosperms praising kalos for "being the first 3d game" then you're the tourist here bro
>I can’t actually fathom a simple logic so I must call it mental disability!
You could just say the former anon, we get it.
>untrue
Read my next point:
>no models =/= 2.5D
YOU’RE OWN DEFINITION of 2.5D is independent of the presence of 3D models anon.
>praise
You wanna know what’s hundreds of times more common around here? People holding the fine opinion that 3D Pokemon (XY) ruined the series and Kalosgays saying “AKSHUALLY GEN 4 AND 5 SUCK TOO BECAUSE THEY TECHNICALLY HAVE SOME 3D
>I refuse to accept arbitrarily chosen criteria that change from game-to-game, formed retroactively to fit the preconceived classifications people use without having thought over what makes a game 3D
glad you understood
>YOU’RE OWN DEFINITION of 2.5D is independent of the presence of 3D models anon.
rendering a 3d space is done via 3d models
so it's required
>Kalosgays saying “AKSHUALLY GEN 4 AND 5 SUCK TOO BECAUSE THEY TECHNICALLY HAVE SOME 3D
nobody says that
people who say that the switch to 3d (with the false notion that gen 6 did it) killed pokemon are not the same people who belittle the golden era
>a game that’s a mix of 2D and 3D with the focus of the game still being in 2D is a 3D game
Stop shilling this garbage
>rendering a 3d space is done via 3d models so it's required
This doesn’t make sense under your own definition of 2.5D
>nobody says that
Thanks for confirming you’re a newbie
And I didn’t say people who thought XY killed the series don’t like Gens 4 and 5 either. That wouldn’t even make sense since they think it was alive before Gen 6. Can you even follow a thought for three seconds?
>with the focus of the game still being in 2D
schizo headcanon
>This doesn’t make sense under your own definition of 2.5D
how so? 3d elements are not present without 3d models
>And I didn’t say people who thought XY killed the series don’t like Gens 4 and 5 either.
meanwhile in an earlier post
saying “AKSHUALLY GEN 4 AND 5 SUCK *TOO* (emphasis mine)
sorry for your illiteracy
>the people and the Pokemon themselves being sprites is schizophrenia headcanon
Meds
>3D elements are not present without 3D models
So according to your definitions, 2.5D does not exist.
>meanwhile in an earlier post
That’s literally doing what I described. Kalosgays “””defend””” their shitty region by dragging everything down with it if they can’t make it seem good. Thinking XY KILLED the series means the other group of people actually like 4+5. Don’t bring up illiteracy when you run into brick walls like this.
I know you’re moronic anon get help soon.
>Meds
saying that a game is only 2d or 3d depending on how characters are depicted is schizophrenia headcanon
>So according to your definitions, 2.5D does not exist.
in pokemon games it doesnt
>Don’t bring up illiteracy when you run into brick walls like this.
you ran into a brick wall yourself bro
to break it down for you .. kalosperms who say "gen 4 and gen 5 suck because they are 3d" do not say "gen 6 sucks just like gens 4 5" .. whenever someone says it youre talking to a genwunner or a hoennbab sad that emerald AND oras are worse than the golden era
it's your mind that extrapolated "thinking" anything when this was about what kalosperms say on Ganker
enjoy a simple explanation 🙂 hope the last paragraph of
is easily understood now
>saying that a game is only 2D or 3D
I’m saying that when people refer to 3D Pokemon, they’re referring to XY and onward, and for good reason. No ones denying there’s 3D assets in earlier games and there’s 2D assets in future games. The “only” is where you seem to lose the conversation
>in Pokemon games it doesn’t
Yet there are Pokemon games that fit your shitty definition of 2.5D. You said it’s 2D only with the illusion of 3D to make 3D gameplay, but then said 3D gameplay can only be brought about via 3D models. It’s clear to me you’re just kicking the can farther and farther without actually knowing what you are talking about for the sake of arguing.
> kalosperms who say "gen 4 and gen 5 suck because they are 3d" do not say "gen 6 sucks just like gens 4 5"
That’s exactly what they say, but in the reverse order. You’d know this if you weren’t a newbie tourist. People shit on Gen 6 for killing the series with its 3D Pokemon, and Kalosgays “defense” for that is that they didn’t start it. They rarely flaunt that they started full 3D, even though it’s true, because everyone hates full 3D in most Pokemon games and doesn’t view that as an accomplishment but rather a hindrance in GF’s implementation.
also discord posts
>Everyones hates HGSS due to Game Freak being too stupid to fix the problem with Johto being anothing but KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's backyard
>BW were made in a direct response to this criticism, hence having the biggest roster and actually making use of them
>Poketards are ungrateful homosexuals who can't appreciate Masuda's Magnum Opus because they can't go one game without CHARIZARD
>Masuda stops trying and the franchise goes so this, now being mogged by a Chinese Knock-off
Poketards reap what they show
Every single point you made is a lie. That's impressive.
>Everyones hates HGSS
No one bought is so this is true
> due to Game Freak being too stupid to fix the problem with Johto being anothing but KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's backyard
This is true
>BW were made in a direct response to this criticism,
Never confirmed but it’s one hell of a coincidence that they would design a game to be independent from all other entries right after the game that was shit on for leaning too much on the previous installment
>hence having the biggest roster
This is true, 156, even more than KNTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO’s 151
>and actually making use of them
Again true only Gen5 Pokemon appear until the postgame
>Poketards are ungrateful homosexuals who can't appreciate Masuda's Magnum Opus because they can't go one game without CHARIZARD
True
>Masuda stops trying and the franchise goes so shit,
True, Gen 6 onward was garbage and are only remembered for the new forms CHARIZARD gets
> now being mogged by a Chinese Knock-off
True, Palworld is kicking Pokémon’s ass
Where is the lie?
Unovabros just can't stop mentioning Kalosbros and vice versa. They truly love each other like true sister gens.
You stupid Black folk are still trying to pretend 3D started anytime before the 3DS? The shift happened with the move from Pokemon sprites to Pokemon models. Sorry, but your schizo moron babble will never catch on.
it's very easy and boring, so yeah i guess that's right, we deserve an actual good game
Qrd?