>Why at a certain age do Space Marines become obsessed with dying on the battlefield?
>Is it bad for them to die of old age?
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space marines and their deaths.
>Why at a certain age do Space Marines become obsessed with dying on the battlefield?
>Is it bad for them to die of old age?
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Even with all the changes in physique done to them, marines are still fundamentally human, and most humans don't like outliving everybody they know. Your average marine of over half an eon is going to be a pretty dour fellow whose seen many battle brothers come to untimely ends and if they're one of the chapters with serfs see his unaugmented friends rot before his eyes like bananas, and it takes a unique type of will to be able to power through that feeling.
Blinding religious fanaticism and extreme indoctrination can only keep the psychological damage at bay for so long. At a certain point they break. Sometimes they hide by subsuming themselves in their basal desires and go chaos, maybe they break free and choose their own path and go renegade. Mostly though, the only way out they see is death and they aren't willing to just kill themselves and let their battle brothers down. So they seek to die usefully. They can't keep giving themselves to their brothers and they can't stay in the world anymore. So, they make their last moment one of value to the only people they know and love. One final effort and then peace.
Marines can't die of old age anymore, that's been retconned out to bring the Primarchs back. Name a single marine that has died from age.
You can't
Not because they can't but because most of them either die or get put into a dreadnought
>Marines can't die of old age anymore
They can.
Name one.
None of them get the chance to, now point me to the lore bit where it says they can't. Page number included, youtube lorecuck.
Here
That guy lived 10,000 years without help from any outside intervention and still couldn't die.
>That guy lived 10,000 years without help from any outside intervention
He was part of a magic prophecy.
>None of them get the chance to
Cite the codex entry that states that
>youtube lorecuck
Projecting now, are we?
Occam's razor, Leutingay. Keep being wrong in your mother's basement.
>Most of all, Dantioch remembered waiting for the Stormbird to lift the survivors out of the remains of Gholghis: Sergeant Zolan, Vastopol the warrior-poet and Techmarine Tavarre. Zolan’s hearts stopped beating aboard the Stormbird, minutes after extraction. Tavarre died of old age in the cruiser infirmary, just before reaching Lesser Damantyne. Vastopol and the Warsmith had considered themselves comparatively fortunate, but both had been left crippled with their aged, superhuman bodies.
They got hit with some kind of xenos time magitek though. It wasn't quite a normal aging process.
Marines don't die of old age any more than normal people do. They die because they get old, then they get slow or weak, then they fail to dodge a D-cannon or get overpowered by a Nob.
They're not going to die from a heart attack in their sleep but they will die from age-related complications because they don't retire or tend to take up rear-line positions.
And in old lore, they'd typically "retire" and teach the incoming scouts and initiates before becoming a burden on their battle brothers like that. But modern marines are ageless morons so it's been all but dropped.
>they don’t die of old age
When people say “old age” they don’t literally mean your skin unravels, they mean things like heart attacks or diseases that a younger person could have easily fought off. It does seem weird we don’t have a single example of a marine dying that way. I get they fight until old age.. but even a chapter master? Or an initiate that works on a ship? Or a dreadnought? The only other explanation is that their lifespan is either waaaay more than they’ve been around (like 20k years) or they’re functionally immortal.
>like heart attacks
They have two hearts, do they have to suffer two heart attacks at the same time for it to affect them?
Well if you want to nitpick one example, I’d say sure, it’s not like giving a 100 year old person a heart transplant will let them live another 20 years. The imperium tech is way better they’re making improvements to the human body, but the principle is the same. Even augmented regular humans can’t live forever without going full mechanical
>but even a chapter master?
Is expected to be in the toughest of fighting with the most dangerous enemies, White Scars one is bedridden now, so I don't know how that will go, probably nowhere as Geewee forgets about White Scars once more
>Or an initiate that works on a ship?
Being an initiate implies he just started out, no? Dude's still young
>Or a dreadnought?
Pretty much strapped 24/7 to a life support machine while being regularly monitored by apotechary
>muh m-muh nu41k tho!!!
Don't care. Primarchs are ancients obscured by 10 000 years of history. Legends inflated by passing millennia into mythic beings. You can take your bad fluff and shove it up your ass, James.
>Primarchs are ancients obscured by 10 000 years of history. Legends inflated by passing millennia into mythic beings
That was never the case, you just knew less back then. Fake grogs get the rope.
>Why at a certain age do Space Marines become obsessed with dying on the battlefield?
Do they? Is that some stupid Black Library nonsense?
Based
>Is that some stupid Black Library nonsense?
It is said that when a marine reaches 200 years of age, he will begin to seek a glorious death.
Possible survivors guilt mixed with a martyr complex? Add in a bit of fatalism (I thought DoW2 had some nice conversations on this topic) and maybe it's all just seeking an acceptable way out; I am tired, brothers.
they never died of old age, op is trolling
Technically not true.
They die of old age, they just can't reach it "in natural way" as they die in battle before that. But marines dying of old age is possible as was proved by Hrud with their temporal fields and weapon turning marines into super old men and dust, they even got deathwatch dreadnoughts to die of old age. If shortly after heresy you got some marine on laundry/kitchen duties somewhere safe(first thought was Imperial palace but it had it's own share of wars including assassinorum going apeshit and using nukes and forbidden tech within it) so he isn't in risk of being killed he will get old and die of old age before Guilliman get ressurected.
Ok, but in case one of them lives long enough, what would be the average age for a space marine to die of old age?
>If shortly after heresy you got some marine on laundry/kitchen duties somewhere safe
Wouldn't that be done by servants rather than by marines themselves?
thats just entropy and not dying naturally of old age.
Theres no evidence marines ever die naturally.
Marine can't reach his natural lifespan because he will be killed in combat before that. Being constantly in combat where fighting is hardest isn't good for your lifespan, so if you want marine to die of old age you need to manipulate time and accelerate aging, or he will be killed in combat before reaching old age.
Yes but if you want marine to die of old age he can't be on combat duty because he will die in combat before that, read entire post.
using a weapon to accelerate entropy in an area where a marine is standing is not aging naturally you fricking moron
>primarchs don't age
In 2e codex imperialis it's stated that primarchs are long-lived but not immortal. Lion didn't stasis his way to present like Rowboat and is looking a lot like Charles Dance now.
They're obsessed with dying in battle as soon as they sign up, if not before.
It's programmed obsolescence and a big reason why so many Space Marines turned to chaos instead of getting wiped out like the Thunder Warriors.
So it's the "do you die a hero or live to become the villain"?
Dante looked like that because he wasn't drinking blood.
Space Marines don't age.
>they have programmed obsolescence
>they were afraid of being wiped out
Pick one. There's no reason to wipe them out the hard way if they die of natural causes, just stop making them.
>Space Marines don't age.
Even fricking Dante is said to have aged so noticeably that the Lion himself immediately picked up on it when he first saw his face. Plus, Dante complained constantly about his aches and pains as a result of his age and Blood Angels are the chapter which ages the best out of all the legions.
The Horus Heresy astartes speculate about marines being immortal because none of them have lived long enough for them to find out. The original Terran space marines, by the time of the Heresy, are only like 200 years old and even then half of them are stated to look and act like old farts by the newer marines AND these guys are the result of nearly pure gene-seed, without 10 thousand years of genetic degradation.
>The original Terran space marines, by the time of the Heresy, are only like 200 years old and even then half of them are stated to look and act like old farts by the newer marines
So every single named Space Marine is biologically at least middle aged?
You have to be biologically middle-aged before you're an interesting enough person to merit being a character in a work of fiction.
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Dante actually looks young at first glance, he doesn't have wrinkles, only at a closer inspection do people pick up that his skin is basically translucent and taut. He's like an ancient vampire (appropriate). My headcannon as always that Blood Angels have a mutation which makes them biologically immortal, which is only shown with Dante because everyone else who hasn't died in battle succumbed to the Red Thirst or Black Rage. Goes great with the whole vampire theme.
Didn't Dante b***h about how he's having health issues and feels constant pain due to his very advanced age more than once?
It's morbidly amusing in light of the Revenant Legion lore, where the original appearance of immortality was resurrective by Omophagia cannibalism. Reset the senescence clock by having a newbie eat your decapitated head.
This DOES have the quiet horror that the "Alpha" bloodfiend from Fabius Bile's heist on Baal could easily have ended up Sanginius reborn had it gotten to the corpse.
This is mostly because he refuses to drink blood. As soon as he does, he immediately gets a physiological boost.
Dante can actually also rejuvenate himself if just drinks blood, like he gets visibly younger and more spry.
But he is paranoid about the Red Thirst, so he doesn't want to drink any unless he *really* has to.
>Space Marines don't age.
Barabas does not agree with you.
Sigismund lost to Abaddon specifically because he got so old he lost speed and stamina.
While Astartes do not die naturally due to their engineering and (possibly really just the armour support systems), they can very much age. Those marines that can reach the age of 400 while still maintaining an active combat role with no losses in ability are seen as rare.
The exception to this rule lies with the Ninth legion, the Blood Angels, who's advanced Omaphagea allows them to use genetic material from younger creatures as a "calibration" template, to reset their own physiology.
However, given their notably unstable genetics, this may be a practice that is critical to their bodily health, and they may observe a reduced lifespan and health consequences if this is not observed, as evidenced with Dante refusing to drink blood.
I don't think "programmed obsolescence" is the proper term for the fact that there's simply only so much you can do to keep a person mentally and physically fit over the course of eons without resorting to the extensive therapy and augmentations of the Custodes. Emps would make all his warriors Custodes if he could, but he can't so the Marines were the best compromise between them and the slapdash roidrage "you aren't going to live long enough to collect your pension" of the Thunder Warriors and various Assassin models.
They are indoctrinated to think that they are born, live and die for the emperor.
If they do not die for the emperor, it is because they are not doing their job well.
of course it's bad to die of old age for them, their earliest life would usually be warrior cultures where death in battle is an Honorable ending, then after passing gruelling challenges for selection, surviving invasive organ implantation, harsh training, and centuries of battle with deeply bonded brotherhood, dying against horrors beyond human comprehension, but with a purpose. I'd rather not low down and become decrepit. I'd prefer to die while I could still fight and not burden them in combat, then meet with my lost brothers.
I remember hearing about a salamander that lived 10,000 years, his body was so decomposed that his skin was fused with the chair he was on, his younger brothers had to kill him out of mercy because his astarte body wouldn't let him die.
I don't know if it's canon or just a fandom rumor, but if it's true, it means that space marines age, but they can't die of old age, which sounds like hell in its own right.
How long had he been sitting on the chair?
Well Dante is 1500 years old and already feels tired and weak, maybe the salamander stopped walking about 5000 years ago?
>I don't know if it's canon or just a fandom rumor
is canon.
"Gravius was the Captain of the Salamanders Legion's 5th Company, during the Great Crusade and he took part in the Conquest of One-Five-Four Four with his friend, Captain Heka'tan"
"As the Horus Heresy unfolded, both Captains would take part in the war against the Traitor Legions on Isstvan V, but when the Dropsite Massacre began, Gravius was one of the few Salamanders to escape. In the Massacre's aftermath, he took command of a Salamanders warship, but it was shot down by the Traitors and crash landed on the fiery world Scoria. The impact caused the warship to be buried beneath Scoria's surface and Gravius and his forces played no further part in the Horus Heresy. They remained forgotten on Scoria for millennia and eventually the Captain's fellow Battle Brothers died, leaving him to keep watch as his body slowly withered away. Gravius was not alone though, as the crew of the warship colonized the area around the crash site and their descendants came to revere the Captain. Eventually though Gravius refused to leave his warship's command chair and in time the door leading to the bridge was sealed. This led Gravius to become a myth to the warship's colony, as one of the Fire Angels that watched over them."
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"In M41, Gravius was found alive by fellow Salamanders from the Chapter's 3rd Company, but the Captain was now in a horrifically withered and frail state. By that time Scoria was dying, as its numerous volcanoes would not stop erupting and were quickly tearing the world apart. Though the 3rd Company wished to take Gravius with them, before they left the doomed world, the Captain' power armour had long ago become fused to his command chair. With time running out, the 3rd Company tried to learn of the Legion's history from the Captain, but Gravius's mind had become addled and he remembered little from his vast lifespan.[3a] Eventually the Company's Apothecary, Fugis, was ordered to give Gravius the Emperor's Mercy and he then extracted the Captain's Gene-seed.[3c] The Company escaped Scoria with the crashed warship's surviving colonists, as well as the power armour of Gravius' fallen Battle Brothers.[3d] At the time of his death, Gravius was possibly the oldest living Space Marine in the Galaxy"
>With time running out, the 3rd Company tried to learn of the Legion's history from the Captain, but Gravius's mind had become addled and he remembered little from his vast lifespan.
Eating his brain to access that lore would be... disrespectful? I mean, you got the power. Just kill the guy first and take a snack.
Who says they didn't do it after giving him the Emperor's Mercy and extracting the Gene Seed?
Although they might not have achieved much, after all Gravius barely remembered his own name.
Wait, I thought that was Soul Drinkers unique power? I don't think other space marines can do that.
It's one of the most basic traits all marines have
>I don't think other space marines can do that.
Devouring living beings to obtain their memories is a basic skill of space marines.
>you have been chosen to consume the brain of the honored captain Gravius
>your chest fills with pride that the librarius selected you to preserve the treasured memories of the chapter
>the apothecary biologis ends the venerable captain's life support and quickly removes the grey matter with the reverence due to its ancient knowledge
>you do the duty assigned to you and your transhuman physiology begins to act
>the librarian speaks first
>"Tell me, brother, do you have any memories of the days past?"
>YA KNOW, CHAPTERS BACK IN THE DAY USED TO BE PART OF A BIG LEGION
>"Brother?"
>THE EMPEROR USED TO WALK AROUND ON HIS LEGS, I SAW IT. WHEN DID WE START WEARING GREEN?
>"Perhaps you need time to process the long eons that the Capt-"
>WHAT?
>"Maybe we should leave him to meditate."
>SPEAK UP
>as the librarians and apothecary leave the room, you feel your personality eroding under the weight of 10 millennia of knowledge
>you realize that you may lose yourself as Gravius did
>even your augmented mind can't cope with the uncountable years
>a brief flash of panic grips you as you feel a slip, but as suddenly as it comes, it abates
>you run your tongue around your dry mouth and instantly the word "Werther's" flashes through your brain
>you smile and begin walking to the quartermaster
>YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO BUY A WHOLE BAG WITH A SINGLE THRONE you think to yourself
>>YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO BUY A WHOLE BAG WITH A SINGLE THRONE you think to yourself
lol
The Soul Drinkers' thing is extremely high fidelity for the organ in question, feeling like they WERE the person eaten. In combination with the contention over their "actual" Primarch, this could be taken as indicative of Lost Legion abilities or being a Revenant Legion callback.
Writers forget that all the time, same with the acid spit. It feels like they think of marines as giga buff warrior monk dudes instead of inhuman war machines they are.
it's very situational abilities, i see how a writer could forget about them after writing a couple of books where they where simply no use at all. i wouldn't even be surprised if a space marine himself forgot about it after not needing it for hundreds of years
You'd think acquiring intel by eating the enemies heads would come up quite often in-universe. Acid spit could very well be situational as I assume it's nowhere near tyranid tier in combat application potential, so it'd be like maybe melting through shackles given time if captured or whatever.
Well, it depends on the species and which side it is on.
For example:
>they could eat a rebellious human, but not a human with a body contaminated by chaos.
>so it'd be like maybe melting through shackles given time if captured or whatever
theres a blood angel trilogy with bile as the antagonist where one of the protagonists gets captured and locked up without his armor and does basically this
>acquiring intel by eating the enemies heads
even without obvious signs of the guy you eat being a mutant / heretic / xenos there still is the chance he has some dangerous knowledge or something. as i see it, every use of this ability is risking the life of the marine eating the brain. that's only really worth it if your enemy is strong enough for you to need that knowledge and there's no other way to get it but you still have some time to make plans. that's pretty situational.
>some dangerous knowledge or something
Eating brains is how you get prion diseases. picrel.
If I'm chapter master, I'm forbidding it outright. You either get intel through recon or good old fashioned torture.
come to think of it, does anyone have an example of a marine (not plaque marine) getting any kind of illness?
marines are immune to disease unless there's some warp frickery involved in their origin
>immune to disease
You can't be immune to a physical interaction. That's like saying space Marines are immune to getting shot.
If you can, even normal humans can be immune to some diseases, space marines are immune to deadly diseases.
>Doesn't know what prions are
>he doesn't know that the emperor already resolved that.
If you have no idea what a prion is or how the immune system even works in principle, you could just say you have no fricking idea and save us the trouble of reading your posts.
>anon posts pic of a SM with a smoking hole the size of a coffee can in their chest
>well ackshully if you shotted them with little bullet...
I hate all of you pedantic morons.
The emperor studied the human body and genetic engineering for almost 30,000 years, do you really think he would not take into account how a prion works?
Also, the emperor had technology that looks like magic and magic that looks like magic, do you really think prions would be a problem for him?
Adeptus Astartes are immune to all diseases that a mortal human could contract, only chaos diseases can affect them.
So you don't know what a prion is.
>yeah bro, he knew genes and stuff
>totally stops all those alpha helices from misfolding into beta sheets
Also,
>refuses to tell anyone important his plans and loses his kids when his girlfriend throws them into the warp
>finds them, but refuses to explain his plans and loses almost all of them again when his favorite rebels
The Emperor is a fricking jobber and it was other people who actually ran the primarch and space marine projects. He's just the everchosen who tried to ursurp the gods and got locked onto a fancy lawn chair for his troubles.
Nice headcannon
The entire reason you have to eat dead things with the misfolded protein to get prion diseases is because there actually are pre-existing systems to deal with them. Kuru doesn't happen spontaneously because you NEED to intake the prions from an outside source to overwhelm your body's innate countermeasures. Hence the variance in onset time and only some of the people eating the spontaneously-damaged brain contracting it.
Improving that is not exactly rocket surgery wild to look into, and failing to do so is a massive opening for bioweapons. Furthermore, the augmentations have a lengthy list of neurological effects to begin with, which can entirely incidentally grant functional immunity by replacing the proteins in question with different ones.
>to overwhelm your body's innate countermeasures
No dipshit, that's not how it works. Prions are inherently resistant to protease enzymes. That is one of the fundamental characteristics of a prion. If it wasn't resistant, it would get shredded like every other misfolded protein your body constantly produces, and therefore wouldn't become pathogenic. It only takes one prion forming for it to bump into other prions, warping their shape in turn and starting the chain reaction. If your body had natural defenses that worked on prions, then they wouldn't be prions.
Can you get prion disease from eating human meat? But not the brain?
Anon we are talking about dudes who spit acid, get memories from flesh they consume, don't need to sleep and can rest during marching or patroling, are immune to most toxins and diseases and you need tailor made ones against them, can breath toxin and under water and if they need they can drink gasoline with no issues. Even marine blood is modified, everything is modified.
Prions don't do shit to them.
"Resistant" does not mean "immune". Again, there's a critical mass of the things needed for the chain reaction to take off and actually cause the pathogenic behavior. Again, only SOME of the people who ate the diseased brain got it, with extremely varied onset periods ranging across DECADES.
Mithridatism isn't a thing here, but neither is it "one single protein and you're fricked". There are countermeasures in normal humans, but they're relatively weak compared to "normal" protein misfolding, so it can cascade into general pathology if exposed to enough of them at once.
How the frick else do you get some people not contracting it at all from eating the same tissue as people who did? Or taking five times as long to show symptoms?
There are natural defenses that work on prions, especially in fungi which encounter much more of them.
Also, human prion disease happens on one(1) tiny ass island. Quit this reddit reaction of acting like eating human brain is instant death.
>happens on one(1) tiny ass island
This is objectively false.
Objectively true. Kuru happens only on a single, tiny island. Only redditors think human prion diseases are common because they love bringing up factoids and think themselves smart.
Type a post without mentioning Reddit CHALLENGE! (IMPOSSIBLE) (ALMOST EXPELLED)
Lmao, got this redditor SEETHING. He even conceded on everything!
Nta, newfriend. This board has more than one poster btw
>he conceded but still kvetching
Nah, get the frick back to rddit and complain about not having female space marines or something.
>That's like saying space Marines are immune to getting shot.
if you look at their redundant organs, fused ribcage, ability to stop bleeding fast and such, they pretty much are immune to be shot at least against todays common pistol and rifle rounds
Yes anon, 40k isn't realistic. Congratulations for noticing this extremely obvious fact
>so it'd be like maybe melting through shackles given time if captured or whatever.
I think rats did it,
Big ones.
>same with the acid spit
That only works if you don't have your helmet on.
There is no retirement program, almost all space marines are on combat duty one way or other, like Dante 1500 years old chapter master who's main theme is "i'm too old for this shit" and is tired as frick still leads from the front and wishes for death to get some rest.
While marines can die of old age, including dreadnoughts(who spend most of their thousand years in timeless stasis) as proved by Hrud and their technology that make you old by standing near them or other enthropic weapons that age marines so muc they die of old age and crumble to dust.
But before marine reach age where he can get old enough to die from age he will be just old man in middle of battle for centuries or even millenia before that. So it's not dishonour to die of old age, it's just super tiresome. Dante who is from Blood Angels, bloodline known for best aging is only 1500 years old, he feel old, have enough of this shit and just want to die but know he can't and only thing keeping him going is some ancient prophecy that sugest that he will be last person standing between Emperor and darkness.
There was funny deathwatch story where marine is captured by Tau and they try to convince him to join greater good, first with some friendly b***h, marine just spit on her face and laught, final interrigation is done by some butthole human threataning marine "join or else" who think he is safe cuz marine is cuffed to chair and pumped full of sedatives, what tau didn't account is marine resistance to poisons as over time build resistance to sedative broke his handcuffs and tear dude with his bare hands.
Shame that 2 most unique features of marines are often forgotten, also I don't think writters remember that marines vehicle crews connect their armour to vehicle and have direct link from internal systems to their nervous system via black carapace.
>Shame that 2 most unique features of marines are often forgotten, also I don't think writters remember that marines vehicle crews connect their armour to vehicle and have direct link from internal systems to their nervous system via black carapace.
Almost every other organ except for the second heart and the progenoids (maybe the sus-an membrane, too) is forgotten by rote.
GW and BL try very hard to divorce 40k from its original sci-fi weirdness and sweep everything that's too odd under the carpet
>Almost every other organ except for the second heart and the progenoids (maybe the sus-an membrane, too) is forgotten by rote.
Most organs are boring.
Eyesight and hearing but better, bigger muscles and harder skeleton, quick healing, better blood, termoisolation, 3rd lung and immunity to most poisons and diseases, this organs are passive and just add up to "space marines are superhumans".
Spitting acid and getting memories from what you eat are active skills that you use instead of "being bigger and better than normal human".
>GW and BL try very hard to divorce 40k from its original sci-fi weirdness and sweep everything that's too odd under the carpet
Yeah, why have anything unique and interesting when you can write about bland buff guys killing shit.
>first with some friendly b***h
Fricking Tau prostitutes, always trying to seduce our Astartes.
i read the salamanders omnibus that that book was in years ago and i'm like 80% certain that the apothecary (or some other Salamanders officer) ordered the main character to partake of it to try and get the knowledge they sought, but the details were super confusing because of the whole "10k years alive" thing
>Gravius was possibly the oldest living Space Marine in the Galaxy"
Retconned now that Letoo has 40k rules.
Dante is described as having long black hair with streaks of white in Son of the Forest
Because they fear becoming Dreadnoughts.
cowards, why did they refuse to have more power?
You picked out the one dread who very specifically said that he hates it.
>the one dread who very specifically said that he hates it.
Any dread ever said "I love this"? I think all of them are in perpetual agony.
Pretty much every Iron Hand gets a boner at the idea of being put in a fancy metal box.
A lot of Blood Angel Dreadnoughts don't mind the new body. They find it a bit weird at first, but they get used to it.
If Bjorn had a Custodes tech Dreadnought would it still be "not quite right"?
human brain all the same, deprived of sensation you'd go crazy
They used to die a lot younger, back in the days where Space Marines were more "human" and less demigods. The days of Calgar being a Tyranid POW and losing all 4 of his limbs.
Marines are basically immortal now and never die of old age
>tfw no Calgar amputee gimp bf to peg with my ovipostior
Why even live
It is a common wish for Mujahideen to die on the battlefield. Space Marines are crypto Muslims.
that's because 40k is inspired by Dune
40k was actually a conspiracy by Rif Peristali and Buryan Ansellah to arouse the mujahid in young British adults that they may raise the Shuhada above Albert Hall.
Note the ritual uncleanliness of Xenos, or the way Horus broke fitna.
The day is coming, inshallah
Space marines dont die of old age, they die of being too slow.
>Old soldiers never die they just fade away
they are basically Gotrek in space.
They’re generally very active gayop.
It’s more spectacular that any of them live to become veterans at all.
If they do get old, and do die of a heart attack, it’s probably when they get sat on by some 40 ton tyranid brap beast or a half their body mass instantly evaporates in front of a tau gun line.
Past a certain age, an Astartes without a glorious death in the name of the Emperor can be a bad thing
because they're afraid that if enough space marines become old, daddy E gets up and gives them the Thunder Warrior treatment, hence why they understand that they must die so that others may live
After 10000 years of war one only sees death
>old age
They literally can't, a Iron Warrior Barabas Dantioch (a dude so hard core even a Imperial Fist grieved at his death) was aged thousands of years by the Hrud and it didn't slow him down, "old" Astartes might have wrinkles and grey hair, but their physical performance doesn't decrease.
They cannot die, they are immortal like Santa.
Is a space marine's soul different than a normal human's?
I once read that their souls are inhumanly more violent than the soul of a normal human.
Space Marines are born as normies and ostensibly all of their physiological changes are the result of drilling and physical augmentation.
But at least the original batches of marines from the crusading era were stated to have a kind of "halo" in the vein of the Primarchs and the Custodes that protected them from Warp frickery by a limited extent, so those marines in specific might had been tampered on a spiritual level by the Emperor as a bonus.