>spend the last decade telling everyone that turn-based is no longer relevant
>claiming XV, 7R, and XVI are the ""natural evolution"" for turn-based system
>"Younger player loves GTA, so flagship games need to be action based to be profitable. There's no other way." actual quote from yoshiP
>gets mogged by Super Mario RPG preorder sales
How much longer are they gonna use FF mainline to chase trend?
Tales and Star Ocean are already action-based since PS 1 era. Look where they are now.
is almost dead
>this is made
Hi Barry, mad that Forspoken flopped while XVI sold at least 4 million?
>Barrybarrybarrybarrybarrybarry
>Brings up random Square Enix flop unrelated to FFXVI
>Adds an extra million to FFXVI's sales.
>Pretends 4 million is good sales for AAA.
Yoshida gays are mindbroken.
Yoshida gays are unable to deal with a cognitive dissonance that their idol isn't a flawless omniscent deity they've been told he is, but yet another dumb moron from the laughing stock of the industry called Shart Enix.
all me
wtf is Barry? this is the first time in a while i post here.
ffxvi fans are so fragile they got absolutely buckbroken by some brown twitter shitposter and blame everything on his shadow instead of just realizing the game sucks
Why do people try to constantly gaslight others into thinking Barry doesnt exist as if we dont have several archives spanning 10 years showing hes continues spamming to this day?
Because you are an idiot blaming everything on a shitposter and you are no better than him by trying to brigade in favor of the game by trying to make up a false consensus narrative that any naysayer is a single guy.
Nta, but the same could be applied when you call others yoshigays or ff14gays just for liking the game, don't you think? I love neo the world ends with you and I dont like KH much. This autism is moronic
>trying to brigade in favor of the game
Conveniently ignoring the multiple threads trying to dump on Yoshi P with the same shitty arguments nonstop. Sure wouldn't want to brigade the poster brigading the entire board.
We all know Bazzy's style by now, you're not hard to spot even when you samegay trying to act normal.
>newbie hasn't been here since 2013
>hasn't been in any dmc threads, kh threads, xenoblade threads, Witcher threads, or ff threads
It's not. It's real time. And if they are that means 12 and 13 are turn based.
a group of unironic wowfugee trannies decided to jump ship from WoW during Shadowlands and play XIV
they loved it until Endwalker when the character Venat was introduced. They hated the character so much they decided to make a discord specifically for raiding the likes of Ganker and reddit and even the XIV forums hating on the game and anyone that disagrees with their opinion
the one called barry is Noct who made the ZODIARK TRANCE comic that got him laughed off Ganker despite his troony friends trying to shill it here
where you can find all the evidence
>MUH ZODIARK TRANCERS schizo finally makes his appearance.
Ahahahahahhaahahahahahah
>just casually admitting how much you post in these threads and obsess over this
Yeah you're definitely not from a weird Discord cult lmao
>MUH ZODIARK TRANCERS schizo starts projecting upon realising people are sick of his spam.
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LOOK AT MY INANE FFXIV DISCORD DRAMA INSTEAD OF MAKING FUN OF YOSHIDA-SAMA PLEASE I'VE SPENT 500 HOURS SHILLING IT ON Ganker I WILL DIE IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY ABOUT ZODIARK TRANCERS
lmaoing @ your life
nobody plays your dead mmo yoshitpiss schizo
You clearly do since you are obsessed with it
I would never touch an mmo
>4 Million
Kek its so funny how FFXVI kun keeps spamming 4 million with 0 evidence while seething about barry. Imagine coping so hard you fake stats to make your failure look better
It only shipped 3 million. Nice try though loser
3million? try 2million
These threads aren't made by Barry because they blow the frick out his precious FF15 as well.
And you dismissing all the FF16 hate as Barry schizo posting in spite of this is just pathetic.
FF16 doesn't even begin to resemble Final Fantasy outside of the iconography. It has more in common with Devil May Cry than Final Fantasy. And arguing otherwise would simultaneously mean that games like Devil May Cry were always Final Fantasy esque. Which would be ludicrous.
ff16 hasn't even sold 3m you moron
it only SHIPPED and digitally sold a combined total of 3m, aka 1.5m sold digitally and 1.5m shipped so less than 1.5m physically sold through, at best it only actually sold 2.5m
It's legs dropped off the face of the earth, even forspoken is outsold FF16 in the UK in the first week of August
Yoshi P mind broke this board. There's been threads about him every day since XVI came out.
We have threads about WoW every single day but I wouldn't say Blizzard's mindbroken Ganker.
From what I've seen in those threads, anons really hate wow and blizzard, and I'd argue that constantly thinking about or bringing up something you hate is being mind broken. Although I guess we just have different opinions on what being mind broken means, so I'll just agree to disagree.
wowfugees clamoring to ffxiv are the single most mindbroken group of people on the internet
you mean XIVBlack folk who constantly talk about how they are the best game ever, despite not even being the best MMO made in the last 20 years (it's FF XI)
>It's FF XI
It's time for bed grandpa
I haven't seen a wow thread all week, gay.
Yoshitpiss dickriders are mentally ill
You gays literally think people shitting on yoshitpiss for further damaging FF and for ff16 being a failure somehow is a victory for you gays who've been shilling him and this garbage for years
The only ones who talk about yoshida 24h a day is you, schizo
You gays have been posting smug Yoshida reaction images to preemptively gloat about FFXVI for over a year now lol. You only stopped because the success you expected never materialized.
I have literally never seen a positive thread about this guy, but I have seen these schizo threads seething about him in the catalogue for months now. It's like if someone started making threads about Yoko Taro dickriders spamming Ganker
Like what? What is this schizophrenia, literally getting mad at shit that doesnt exist
>I don't read Final Fantasy threads so it doesn't happen.
Makima lost and hasn't been mentioned once in Part 2.
>assertion is le yoshi p dickriders shit up Ganker
>literally have no clue who is before you have a schizophrenic meltdown and spam Ganker about him for months
Where are they? You're getting mad at nothing
This. All I know about ffxiv is the catgirl, and everytime I check out those threads is about waifus, jobs, and the plot.
I have no idea that that anon is talking about. I only ever learned about him because of the Wow to XIV thing, and even then I only really heard that he gave a shit about his players, at least more than wow's devs did. I really wouldn't call that dickriding, but Ganker also calls anyone talking about a game shilling it so I can't really tell with this board.
Jesus fricking christ how many more threads are you going to make about this homosexual? You are going to seethe about ff no matter if they are turn based
Keep the thread coming OP
flop fantasy 16 lmao
There has been like hundred threads of this Yoshi P guy.
pushing your stupid narrative in Ganker won't do anything this place is for tendies and shitposters and popular new release tourists.
We need Final Fantasy GTA game tbh.
what would you Final GTA Fantasy be?
pulling people down from their chocobos and stealing them?
while having 1 star, summons guards, 5 stars summons Bahamut to stop you
7R is objectively a great evolution from previous Final Fantasy games though. 16 is just a straight-up action game.
He's right. Frick off, Barry.
Ah, so he's the man who killed Final Fantasy.
True Final Fantasy will always be turn based.
Actually using your brain and tactics to win battles will always be better than mindless button mashing real time action.
>True Final Fantasy will always be turn based.
There are more mainline, numbered Final Fantasy games well before XV was a twinkle in Nomura's eye that weren't turn-based than there were turn-based ones, lmao.
I think you quoted the wrong line. Him being wrong in the other line doesn't make the line you did quote not true. Real Final Fantasy branched from V through 4HoL and is now known as Bravely and Octopath.
>Actually using your brain and tactics
>final fantasy
These threads are fricking awful and full of people that have never played an FF game
>FF
>Tactics
>Using your brain
>"Actually using your brain and tactics to win battles "
>final fantasy
LMAO
99% of battles in Final Fantasy you can win by just mindlessly mashing confirm. And the other 1% you might have to heal between mashing confirm.
That being said, I do like action combat more, but in Final Fantasy games it has been just as mindless and shallow as the Final Fantasy turn based games. Mashing confirm, or mashing attack, Final Fantasy changed combat styles but remained shallow
I remember beating FFX when I was a kid just by picking the strongest attacks I had and healing. Anyone says you have to use your brain clearly hasn’t played final fantasy games
>Actually using your brain and tactics to win battles will always be better than mindless button mashing real time action
i prefer turn based/atb its just more comfy and relaxing than autismo button mashing but cmon anon theres no final fantasy game on the planet that requires brainpower. there made to be completed by anyone
FF needs another conditional turn based game. X is the only one we ever got. they fricked up not building on that.
Emperor's new clothes.
It's amazing to me how much damage FFXIII and FFXV did to the series. They got the largest player base and everyone figured all the games suck as much as those two.
only 16 and 14 damaged the frame
Why didn't XIII do the same damage XVI is now when Kitase made similar claims about RPGs, such as "FFXIII is more like an FPS than an RPG"?
There is no damage. Someone just got too obsessed with Yoshida because mmo and mmo haters have more autism than Sonic fans
because 13 was at least an rpg unlike ff16
So is ff14 and you cant stop seething about it
>14
>rpg
lol
no elemental weaknesses
no difference between any build
pointlessly jobs
superficial customisation is not an rpg
14 is just an erp simulator not an rpg
>MMOgay immediately reveals himself.
YOSHIDAAAAAAAA... TRANCE!
That statement came after Kitase strongly denied that XIII was an RPG, claiming that it was probably a new genre.
YoshitP is insane, that's the only explanation
>Yoshi-P says no one wants turn-based combat and that young people prefer action games
>Yoshi-P goes out of his way to say that JRPGs are racist, outdated and you shouldn't expect a Japanese dev (like himself) to make a JRPG
>both statements age like milk the moment Star Rail comes out
lol
>Yoshi-P goes out of his way to say that JRPGs are racist, outdated and you shouldn't expect a Japanese dev (like himself) to make a JRPG
He literally never said that. You just completely made up what he said in that interview about JRPGs
That anon is obsessed. He just said he wanted to experiment with ff16 because he thought there was a market for action games. The games will go back to turn based or something like ff7r
And even then, these homosexuals will still complain anyway
I've been complaining for about two decades and it's very unlikely that square will have a sudden change of heart regarding the (lack of) direction of the series. The fact that someone as monumentally stupid and rapport-destroying as yoshi didn't get immediately fired is a dire sign.
Why would he? FFXIV was a success. Nomura games have been selling like shit, because Square Enix mismanagement
Stop being so dramatic, FF won't die
Rapport-destroying? Elaborate please.
Everything I've read from that guy was monumentally stupid and out of touch and made me lose any remaining faith in the company.
>The fact that someone as monumentally stupid and rapport-destroying as yoshi didn't get immediately fired is a dire sign.
Imagine thinking Yoshida is the outlier in a company that gave continuing Producer roles to people like Tanaka and Kitase
>https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2023/02/28/final-fantasy-16-designers-discuss-why-the-series-hasnt-been-turn-based-for-a
Dozo. He never mentioned "experiment" in the interview. He practically admits they were chasing trend.
Also let's see if they will actually make another turn-based mainline before claiming "people will complain anyway". Because that's a fricking big if.
Read more interviews. They wanted the zoomer audience and failed. Will go back to turn based
Meanwhile, you have tons of turn based games to play
please post at least one link to the interview then.
you're not talking out of your ass right?
>Meanwhile, you have tons of turn based games to play
This is why always gets me. At least wrpggays talk and play those games
Jrpg market is unironically full of depressed people. Their feedback can't be trusted
wtf are you talking about?
we do have threads for DQ, SMT, octopath, persona etc. even Trails still get threads on /vrpg/
DQ11 threads got killed because muh ntr
Trails get derailed with NO KURO IS POZZED FALCOM IS LGBT
Octopath 2 threads had that SaGa barry
Reminder mods started to ban you for posting Pennyblood and armed fantasia
Nobody talks about Eiyuuden, from Suikoden creators. You make more threads of this fricking homosexual more than shilling turn based games
What kind of reply is this?
You said we didn't "talk and play those game". We did and you just moved the goalpost.
Forget it. You won the argument, anon. Congrats.
I'll be leaving now.
I accept your concession
t. Tired of jrpggays ruining jrpg threads
This literally never happens in any of those threads you frickin sperg
I don't think anyone actually plays star rail. I haven't heard shit about it since like week 1 and even here we barely see it compared to genshin.
Star rail has outsold genshin from April up til now even with July being support cuck month
What do you want for ff16 dlc? Maybe they could try to add gambits and 7R system
Give me Dion's Episode
Playable Jill/Cid/Dion/Joshua
Coop mode at least for Arcade even if it's not for story
I want them to immediately stop all development on anything to do with 16 and never sunk cost fallacy another penny into this fricking disaster.
>MUH TURN BASED
Final Fantasy hasn't been turn based since 10. Thats was 22 years ago most of you weren't even fricking born or were too young to play this series. What the frick is up with your obession for turn based game?
>ATB isn't turn-based
Idiots, all of you
12 and 13 doesn't play like the traditional old FF
ATB isn’t turnbased
>Alternative to the traditional turn-based system
>Is a no-traditional turn-based system
>REEEE THAT MAKES IT AN ACTION GAME
no, no it doesn't.
Why the frick are you putting words in my mouth? Are you moronic or something? ATB isn’t turn based and FFX was the last true turn based final fantasy game.
ATB is a non-traditional turnbased system anon.
If it's not turn based, what the frick is it? You can't pass it as a real-time system because it doesn't work in real time. It works in turns based on a charging bar modified by speed and status.
Hundreds of JRPGs have similiar gimmicks and call themselves turnbased and NOBODY except moronic FF homosexuals claim speed-based turn order is not turnbased.
And to top it off, the ATB PAUSES when one fills and you're given the menu action until an action if picked in most ATB games.
Are you going to try meme meme it's real time with pause? because it sure as hell isn't that. It's turn based with unpause.
Turn based means you have turns, in ATB you do not have turns, it’s as simple as that.
>Turn based means you have turns
Yes.
>in ATB you do not have turns
But you do. And the turns are based on the characters' stats. No matter how uneven, lopsided, or asynchronous the turn balance may end up.
You do have turns, stop trolling, anon. The fact that your turns and the enemies become active after a certain amount of time instead of a turn order doesn't change the fact that the game is turn based.
So FFXIV is a turn based game because your characters have cooldowns?
A skill having a cooldown is not the same as a character having a cooldown.
It is the same exact thing though.
No it isn't.
If one skill is on a cooldown. You can still act with all other potential moves, actions, or options.
When it's turn based (including ATB because ATB is turn based) you can't act until it's your turn again.
Do you realize how this is not the same?
No, it's an action RPG because the game is designed around your character running around and interacting with its environment in real time. The game doesn't go into a battle mode and wait for the character's turn in order to give him a command to step forward and attack a target, then completely lose control over the character until it's his turn again. Because then it would be a turn based game.
>it's an action RPG because the game is designed around your character running around and interacting with its environment in real time.
You could have the same exact thing in an ATB game, see Grandia 3 for instance, but nobody calls Grandia 3 and action RPG, it's an ATB game.
So again, how is this XIV not a turn based game since apparently ATB is turn based?
>If one skill is on a cooldown. You can still act with all other potential moves, actions, or options.
Same thing happens in FF, if I put a counter Junction in FF8 for instance, any character will be able to take actions when attacked, despite not having their ATB gauge charged, same exact thing.
So again, how is ATB a turn based system, even ignoring the fact that by their creators own admission it's not?
>will be able to take actions when attacked, despite not having their ATB gauge charged, same exact thing.
Bro. A conditional reaction is a different thing entirely.
MtG, YGO and all kinds of card games are full of stuff. Are they somehow not turn based according to you?
Oh, so apparently now you CAN take actions before it's your "turn", interesting, let's see how far we can move those goalposts.
>Are they somehow not turn based according to you?
No, because those games are actually turn based, when it's my turn the opponent can't do anything until I finalize it, unlike ATB.
It's the same in FF8 though. You can't act unless it's your turn. And you can't react unless you have prepared a react on your own turn, and your enemy has finalized theirs.
And yet you claimed FF8 would be the same as an MMO with skill cooldowns.
Why would you ever make such a moronic and clearly inaccurate claim?
The goalposts remain firmly in place.
>You can't act unless it's your turn.
You can though, especially since the game doesn't have turns to begin with, just cooldowns.
>you can't react unless you have prepared a react on your own turn,
Counter is a passive, you don't need to prepare anything, same thing as FF7's counter, it's an action that is taken independently from your ATB gauge.
This. Like, you have other ips
Oh you mean like Front Mission, which they made an action game that flopped and killed the franchise? Fricking told you then but you morons still insisted this would sell way better than any FF ever, yet it's the worst selling one ever. And as some kind of cosmic proof of how moronic action slop homosexuals are you STILL insist this is the future and correct path for the franchise.How many flops does it take until you admit it's stupid? How many more until SE realize it's stupid?
>you morons still insisted this would sell way better than any FF ever
Stop having schizophrenia, I don't give a shit about sales
>Final Fantasy has been bad for 22 years
Really makes you think
Yeah everyone older than 30 think that. Only zoomers and mentally challenged people like Barry care.
You say this, but let’s actually look at the facts
Not counting mmos, there have only been 4 non turn-based FFs in the main series. Of those four two are action and two are command based games with party mechanics.
You say it hasn’t been turn based for decades, which is true, but most FFs are turn based. Not only that, almost all FFs have a party, and not only that, but FF has been on the decline since abandoning these elements.
>Actual normal FF fan
>good take
based. Yoshi P fans are newbie cultists
>but most FFs are turn based
No fricking shit moron, im saying that most of you weren't even born to care this much about it. Im 31 when FFX came out I was 9 fricking years old.
I doubt anyone in this fricking is over 35 all of you are larping moron poser
How is this even an argument?
There’s a thing called brand legacy, and FF is relevant today because of the games that came out I. The 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
Without FF1-10 (I’ll include 12 because it has more in common with those games than >=13) no one younger than the age of 30 would even know what FF is.
ATB isn't turn based though.
>FF has been on the decline since abandoning these elements.
FF has been in decline because it's a shit franchise that only got big because of graphics and marketing in an era where it had zero competition.
Nowadays most devs around have comparable or better graphics and have franchises that have actually something to offer, an identity to sell to people, something FF never had, FF has been in decline since the PS2 days because it's a naked emperor, it's the only big franchise in decline, DQ is doing just as fine as usual, Pokemon is still selling just as well as it did 30 years ago, other franchises are on the rise as well.
FF dying out has nothing to do with those supposed change in formulas, FF at its core has been about cinematic stories since FF4, something it never, ever changed from that day onwards, people are just tired of the same generic low effort stuff, it doesn't matter if it's ATB, Turn based, MMO or action based.
ATB games are turnbased games and you're moronic for thinking otherwise. And insanely stubborn or disingenuous for insisting otherwise.
>ATB games are turnbased games
>ACTIVE TIME Battle
>Turn based
FF gays really are dumb aren't they
Could have been called anything from Autofellatio Battles to SONIC SPEED Battles, and it wouldn't change what they actually are in practise and mechanically.
Names are just names. And the name Active Time Battle doesn't even contradict or say anything about turns.
Chess is played with Active Time too. The element of Active Time isn't mutually exclusive with turns.
>Names are just names
People call you a homosexual for a reason anon
>Chess is played with Active Time too.
I didn't know that the other chess player had an independent timer and could make as many moves as they wanted the moment your turn starts.
>I didn't know that the other chess player had an independent timer and could make as many moves as they wanted the moment your turn starts.
No that is not how chess is played. But it isn't how ATB games are played either.
With an ATB system players can't "make as many moves as they want". They can only act as many turns as they are given.
But that doesn't change how chess's time is active and constantly ticking. And acting quickly can net you time while acting slowly will lose you time. It can easily be described as active time.
>But it isn't how ATB games are played either.
It is very much how ATB games are played actually.
>With an ATB system players can't "make as many moves as they want".
You can actually, just use Haste and you'll be attacking like five times as much as enemies do.
>>With an ATB system players can't "make as many moves as they want".
>You can actually, just use Haste and you'll be attacking like five times as much as enemies do.
And a player being able to move five times as much, is the same as the player being able to move "as many moves as they want"?
Hyperbole or not. Such distinctions makes all the difference. One is still most definitely turnbased. Albeit lopsided. But still turnbased.
And the other isn't. So it's quite meaningfully different.
Your opponent can't go during your turn during chess, idiot.
Nothing about the words "active time" in a vacuum says anything about being able to act during each others' turns. Which is why referencing the name itself as an argument is a really silly and weak argument.
But it's a moot point regardless because a game having asynchronous turns doesn't mean the game isn't turnbased anyway.
If chess gave White two turns for every one Black turn. That would still be a turn based game.
Likewise an FF enemy getting 1.7 turns versus your 1, that doesn't stop it from being turnbased.
And that's still not turn based since it's all real time.
Chess is fricking "real time". It never pauses.
ATB games are rigidly and explicitly turn based.
FF12 battle system is fricking garbage there is no turn based in there you set up your gambit put the controller down and the game literally fricking play itself.
FF13 same shit except you just change your paradigms around in battle depending on the situation and then press the auto-attack button.
>Final Fantasy hasn't been turn based since 10. Thats was 22 years ago
Why do you gays always make this argument?
Yes it was 22 years ago. But Final Fantasy has barely received any entries at all since then.
Ignoring the two Live Service instalments and you're just left with 4 entries. 12, 13, 15, and 16. And that's it. 4 entries versus 10.
But for some reason you want to claim that it's just the recent 4 that matter? Because they're younger? The 10 that preceded them are still far more representative. Especially when you actually factor in success and how many people actually played them.
Final Fantasy is a franchise defined by games that are 22 years old and older. Final Fantasy is not defined FF16 just because it's a less than one year old game. The post-turnbased Final Fantasy entries are but a tiny portion compared to the larger and historically acclaimed whole of Final Fantasy. That is a franchise of turnbased games.
>Final Fantasy hasn't been turn based since 10
Funny how that was the last good one.
To most westerners who didn't grow up with Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy is THE turn based RPG series. Effectively the originator. That's what people know them for and want them to do.
FF12 is literally turn based and you could argue 13 is
>Barry so utterly defeat by FF16 and FF14 that he lives in a parallel world
you love to see it.
>kills 14
>kills 16
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/-r3K56rTV7fj0wAPJSjfmg/
Not only that, but a turn-based game came out a little over a month after his and blew it out of the water in sales and attention.
And it helped PS5 sales more
>blew it out of the water in sales
>93% of the players chose to create their own characters(stated by Larian)
>Less than 1.5M characters created in a game that allows you to create as many characters as you want
>Supposedly sold 2.5M in early access alone despite numbers not adding up
Troon's Gate 3 sold worse than XVI despite getting 10 times more shilling from trannies, gays and lefties.
Great, I can enjoy both games. Where is the drama?
Turn based gays likes to shill BG3 as a success over FFXVI despite selling worse on top of having 10 times more praise and marketing/shilling. XVI was a black sheep the moment Yoshida said no Black folk in my fantasy.
Bg3 was a success for dating a pc though. You had Xenoblade 3, japanese and no western, and it sold even less than ff16
Xenoblade is infinitely smaller than FF as it only started to get momentum when the switch released as opposed to FF which is (was) the face of the genre. Xenoblade 3 has sold more then FF 16 in Japan tho
Xenoblade has switch exclusivity bonus, and it never managed to be the ff of nintendo.
FF16 is a ff14 expansion with snoy money
actually i like turn based and i prefer no black people in my fantasy game
Did it sell worse? All indication point to hell no.
ATB is turn based. You can act concurrently with you opponent.
Secondly, FF is on the decline because it abandoned its place as market leader of a genre, for a genre it has no market position in. It expanded its reach in spin offs and sequels and stopped putting R&D in the genre is was known for.
*can’t
>ATB is turn based. You can't act concurrently with you opponent.
What does that have to do with turn based, moron?
There's plenty of turn based systems where synchronous actions are allowed.
There’s a difference between timed attacks and non sequential actions, you snot brained simpleton.
What makes atb turn based is that the computer still orders turns sequentially. The only real time element is the timer that locks out input.
>What makes atb turn based is that the computer still orders turns sequentially.
Everything is ordered sequentially in any game you clueless moron, goddamn you FF gays are stupid.
>The only real time element is the timer that locks out input.
Yeah, which is how action based games work, this doesn't happen in turn based game, you fricking moron.
The time "locking" of the ATB means jack shit anyway because 90% of skill animations take so long that every character not stopped/slowed would easily have hit their next turn- even the character attacking. And each time the ATB fills and an action is selected (which is instantly for enemy units) they get put in a turn based queue. You cannot skip this queue. Your actions are taken in turns based on this order. You cannot even interrupt this order outside haste/slow/stop.
It's turn based.
>You cannot skip this queue.
Only because FF ATB arbitrarily doesn't let you do it, since FF game designers are notoriously moronic, you can do it on other ATB games, see Last Ranker which is ATB pushed to the limit of the system.
Even Grandia games are all about manipulating turn order and making enemies skip turns by reacting accordingly to their actions, doesn't make any of these games turn based.
>about manipulating turn order
>making enemies skip turns
>turn order
>turns
>doesn't make any of these games turn based
>code is sequential hurr durr I is smart
Of course code is sequential, you imbecile. But that’s not what’s being discussed here.
Character actions are placed in discrete sequential units of time. That is to say, motherfrickers are taking turns.
ATB has shit to do with turns and everything to do with how those turns are queued.
>Did it sell worse?
Yes? Never trust coomers. See
It's been out for 3 years.
>literally isnt out on ps5
>ps5 is bigger than steam
ff16 will sell less than ff7r on steam which is barely 500k in over a year
Glad you finally praise ff7r after shitting on it for so long
Cant wait for you to defend ff16 when ff17 is the one triggering you
How is saying ff7r only did 500k in over a year praising it? Are you fricking moronic? That's a low number for what 7R should have done and ff16 has nowhere near the clout FF7R at least had by being the "ff7 remake" to even draw that.
Just so you know even forspoken sold more in its 1st month on steam than ff7r did
7R is part of a 3 game series so understandable why people didn't bought it. XIII ports and XV sold great on PC. Lightning Returns' PC sales were like 1.5M almost on par with PS3 sales of 2M.
No they arent
LR barely is at 350k on Steam and it did 1.4m across ps3, 360 and steam
How much did XV and XIII sold on PC? Taking my data from the wiki though not sure if it's accurate.
>literally fake numbers with no source
xv is around 1.7m-2m on steam
ff13 is 900k almost 1m on steam
ff13-2 is 380k-440k on steam
LR is 340k on steam
XVI isn't on PC yet too. So what? XVI has more appeal on PC than BG3 has on PS too simply due to it's genre.
bg3 is selling better on ps store a month before release than ff16 was
>Headcanon
LMAO. It's been 10 days since the release of BG3 and Larian is yet to announce sales numbers. It isn't next Elden Ring despite what shills claim it to be.
You need to stop coping already xvi cultist
Also all bg3 numbers are sold through, people actually playing, ff16 numbers is half shipped and half digitally sold so only did at best 2.5m sold through and it fell off after 2 weeks.
BG3 will keep selling
can't wait for it to outsell that tabataslop XV and Forskin soon
just like how KH3 didn't sell over 6M, right barry haha
>Less than 1.5M characters
>I-it sold 10M copies we are the next Elden Ring, look at 850K simultaneous players!
>80% of the players finished the tutorial thus created a character
>It didn't sold more than 3M let alone 2M
STFU troon. Numbers don't add up. BG3 isn't the next Elden Ring. It's the next ESG.
>look at 850K simultaneous players
Yes. It's damn impressive.
xvi cultists are utterly mindbroken holy shit
How is second post in the wrong?
Because hfr flopped and forspoken literally outsold it too
why are you even deflecting to hfr you tard?
To prove you cant be taken seriously, since hfr is actually a way better game than forspoken
hfr is better than ff16? ok
both still flopped
I just read the shit you’re citing.
Bitch, that was opening weekend. The damn game came out on Thursday. Meaning they are omitting characters created on the day of release.
Then when you consider what I said before that people can buy games without playing them, you gotta be a moron to assume this game is selling less than XVI.
>Bitch, that was opening weekend
More like opening week and it's been out for 10 days. 1.5M characters(including early access). Yet to release actual sales numbers when Square released 3M sales in 6 days. Games like Elden Ring, Hogwarts etc. released their sales in less than a week.
Not really when you consider the fact this game panders to lifeless neets.
They said the data was accumulated from the 3 day weekend on release. Makes sense when the point was to see what the players chose to do, not how many players there were.
But please continue to deny the game sold more than XVI despite 800k peak concurrent players, much higher google trend, and a current concurrent player base of 730k.
>They said the data was accumulated from the 3 day weekend on release.
>Makes sense when the point was to see what the players chose to do, not how many players there were.
So if everyone rolled 2 characters 750K sales in 3 days? Talk about selling better than FFXVI despite all the fake hype and shilling and being the next industry darling. Wouldn't be surprised if all those 850K people were all the players who bought the game.
> XVI despite 800k peak concurrent players, much higher google trend
Animal Crossing sold more than God of War despite God of War having much higher google trend now what?
Why would someone roll two characters when you can back out and change what you’ve already done? I would assume most people who would do that played on Thursday anyway, which I’ve already shown wasn’t included in data.
> animal crossing has less google trend
Are you sure about that? I’m looking at it right now and animal crossings peak is waaaaaay higher.
>Why would someone roll two characters when you can back out and change what you’ve already done?
I know one guy who bought BG3 and he re-rolled 3 characters because he didn't get past the tutorial with the character he created first and he didn't liked his second character. Entire marketing was around character creation and bear sex. 1.5M characters is pathetic.
Once again 3 day weekend not including launch day.
You keep ignoring this. Why?
>Once again 3 day weekend not including launch day.
Most games sells their bulk in first few days that's why. What's funny is that only 400 people finished the story in 3 days despite it being 20 hours long. I wonder how many refunds they received after people seeing how boring cRPGs actually are. Wouldn't be surprised if many people played like 1 hour and dropped afterwards. 750K players seems like an anomaly but it really isn't when you consider the fact cRPGgays are neet nerds and this game panders to to them.
>most games sell on first few days
>doesn’t factor in the first day which probably sold the most
Ok.
The story isn’t 20 hours long. Act 1 isn’t even 20 hours long.
>Bad faith slop
>The story isn’t 20 hours long
Sure, let's say 40 then.
So,not 20.
Don't know, never played it and never will 🙂 My friend who bought the game didn't finished it either, he probably refunded in fact.
Im playing it. You have to work your ass off to filter through side content to get to main content. It’s literally easier to play everything than ignore all the side stuff.
This assumes that everyone who bought the game is playing the game right now. It also assumes everyone who plays the game is making a character. It also assumes that the data taken is at a comparable time period to the data released by SE. it also assumes that BG isn’t selling with less of a drop off of XVI.
You gotta be very special to think BG3 is selling worse than a game people most normalgays stopped talking about a week after launch. Just look at search trends. Looks more like ER than FFXVI.
>This assumes that everyone who bought the game is playing the game right now
It's been out for 10 days and only less than 1.5M characters(if everyone created 2 characters then it sold less than 750K in fact lol). Fake hype, fake sales.
We’re talking about sales, not how many people are playing it.
Of all the people who bought it, how many people do you think actually played FFXVI? How many people do you think are playing it now?
>It also assumes everyone who plays the game is making a character.
93% of the people created their own character instead of story characters. BG3 isn't the next Elden Ring let alone next FFXVI.
bear sex 3 isnt even out yet you moron
it already outsold ff16
>aethestically pleasing missile launcher
that reminds me of that webm with the long ass, planet busting, massive satellite array that the enemy simply dodges.
>jrpg is the PAST I HATE JAPAN I LIKE HOMOGENIZED GARBAGE GLOBOHOMO
>baldur's troony being turn shit sells much more than final gay shit
Lmao take the L shitp
Bg3 has the shipping and pc too
Who the frick cares if it's turn based or not. All that matters is that whatever route you go you do it well. They wanted to make a hack and slash like DMC and ended up with a weird rotation based shit where you click one button for 30 seconds and then do a set combination for 5 seconds and then continue to click the same button for 30 seconds. If this guy made ff16 turn based he would find a way to frick it up equally hard.
OP here, finally a reasonable post. That's pretty much my experience with XVI.
Also Yoshi can make action game if he want to, but he just has to do it while shitting fans of turn-based game for some reason.
I liked ff16, even if it felt more like a DMC game than an FF. I hope theres DLC, but i also hope its set after the ending - i dont want them to do some bullshit "what if" or backstory scenario just because they killed all the MC's, let me play as Gav, Jill and Torgal or something
Tbh the best option they have is DLC that happens in the past and you play Cid or some shit.
Shit, i never even fricking considered a Cid DLC with Benedikta as his side b***h. One thing I feel like the game totally missed out on was big cities - while the towns were comfy, we never got to see any of the capitals outside of DMC-like stages where you go from fight to fight. I hope they add something like that for at least one or two of the major cities, i always loved them in older FF games
Yeah, it would be cool to explore actual cities, I guess they either didn't have the time/budget, or PS5 couldn't handle it kek.
You could do so much with Cid DLC, like flesh out his relationship with Benedicta, show how did he become a big player in the world and even his fight with Dion. So much good shit.
FF13-2 combat was great
It was a downgrade over XIII imo
I love how turn based morons always use pokemon as an argument. Pokemon sell because of the name alone you stupid fricking Black folk.
So does Final Fant...oh wait not anymore it seems
>same formula since pokemon red
>nintendo
>manchildren that refuse to grow up
FF kept changing its formula and thats why everyone got tired and just fricked off
FF never changed being a moviegame series, people got tired because they started to find out there's better moviegames, and better games
>there's better moviegames, and better games
Name them
>inb4 western woke slop garbage like last of us and god of war
lmao
>Name them
>BUT NOT THESE GAMES
Not my fault if your Kusoge gets outsold by Dad of Son.
>these shitty slop woke garbage games is what he was thinking
LMAO
I didn't even mention those games son, it's all on you and your inferiority complexes.
How does it feel to sell even worse than western garbage?
Pokemon sells because its for kids and pedos want to play with kids
No it doesn’t. Theres zero proof. All their spinoff games like Pokken and all that irrelevant shit don’t sell
>spin-off sell less than mainline games
whoa......................................................................................................................................................................................
Shouldn't they sell based on the name alone, then? Looks to me like the type of game IS important
No, that's WHY they're spinoffs. Only exception is Go.
But that shouldn't matter, since the name is attached to it.
And reality says only mainline sells millions.
FFXVI might as well be a spinoff game like Dirge of Cerberus. No one gives a shit what the marketing people are saying
FFXVI is the most FF games since 12 what the frick was FF about 13 and especially backstreet boy homosexual band 15?
>say they sell based on name alone
>point out these other games don't sell
>but they're spinoffs who cares about the name the name don't sell them specifically
Keep moving that goalpost anon.
Kek, what a dumbass. Turn based is obviously the best genre in the world
If turn based is so good why aren't Rean games selling 5 millions copy?
Rean just kept holding back, that's all.
Funny enough, the Trails series dropped dramatically in sales at Kuro, which tried to convert to Action RPG gameplay.
Thats because no Altina dicky
The nips that forsake the dicky pay the price.
It dropped dramatically because people were sick and tired of Rean and the shit writing of the entire Cold Steel saga.
But Kondom, in His Wisdom, thinks it's because of the mediocre gameplay and not because of the shit writing, hence the shift to hybrid action, also because he wanted to get a slice of the 7R customer base, Kuro selling less than CS isn't due to the gameplay shift but due to CS fatigue erasing the goodwill of the audience.
>It dropped dramatically because people were sick and tired of Rean and the shit writing of the entire Cold Steel saga.
Yes, coincidentally in the first game that Rean is gone for. While Rean is still topping Falcom popularity polls every year. This is cope.
They would be out of business if not for Rean, so who cares? They should be grateful that Rean-sama saved their stupid ass
I didn't say turn based is better. SO and Tales are closer to action games and they aren't doing so hot either.
But yoshi boldly claims that FF have to turn into action game to be profitable.
Final fantasy will always sell well because there’s no other gaming franchise with as many unique iconic memorable characters as it. People cann cope with all their nonsense doomposting about how SE is finished this time for sure because their oh so incompetent but they know how well their characters carry, the gacha of dissidia prints money and that’s just one of their many
FF is eternal as long as gaming exists which is why they always take so many risks with every new entry, because they know they’re backed up by decades worth of iconic characters
What risks are they taking? They've been chasing trend.
Also Sony pays for the development. It's unlikely, but even if it bombs, SE can keep making new entries.
Taking inspiration from asuras wrath? Taking DMC’s style system and implementing it in an RPG? Both things that are rarely ever done? Switching up the gameplay style and setting of every mainline entry? FF7 FF5 and FF10 are all radically different from each other outside of being RPGS. Same could be said about FF8 FF9 and FF13, it’s the only big franchise that never shys from switching things up. You’d have to be delusional to not see the difference in intent between this and your common zelda/Mario game
>FF7 FF5 and FF10 are all radically different from each other outside of being RPGS
They're all the same exact "ragtag band of heroes saves the world from big bad" linear story games, radically different my ass.
>if I dilute things then that means they’re totally the same (:
Yeah I guess you really are a raging homosexual just like your father beforehand LOL
>Muh completely irrelevant growth gimmicks tho
They're the same exact kind of game, only a moron would argue FF7 is different from 10 because you put your colored beads on a table instead of a line.
>different ost
>different story themes
>different settings
>completely different tones
>different dynamics
>different battle systems
>completely different plots
>totally the same
good thing you filtered yourself from procreating, nobody needs more morons like you polluting the earth
Holy shit you're literally that dumb that you think those colored beads are different.
But that's just SE chasing trend.
They believe making a mainline FF with turn based system is THE risk. So they play it safe by switching to action instead.
What caused this one man to live rent free in one autists' head for over 2 months?
Tendies cant forgive him for ff success
The really funny thing is that they didn't copy GTA or Call of Duty or any action game style whose numbers they're actually comparing Final Fantasy to.
They copied Devil May Cry and Bayonetta style games which have traditionally always sold worse than Final Fantasy.
This was obviously a decision made by corporate suits who are so out of touch with the video game industry that their opinions should have been worthless to begin with.
Yeah it was totally out of touch old men who print money with gachas of their past games and not just the creative decision of someone with a vision for a take on final fantasy
Holy shit it’s hilarious how moronic cucks like you think they have better business practices than a company that’s damn near 100 years old LOL
Do you have any idea how many times Square Enix has nearly died in that amount of time? They were almost dead back when the Final Fantasy series was conceptualized and that game saved them. They almost died at Spirits Within and had to merge with Enix to save their sorry asses. They'd be dead right fricking now if they weren't being carried by MMOs and Gacha games that cash in on nostalgia for the glory days.
Their leadership is incompetent and always was.
Yeah. Something tells me yoshida doesnt know where to lurk. Only action games that sell are dmc and gow. Even Bayonetta 3 is a flop
I think boomers shouldn't be on charge on anything.
I feel like JRPG is still niche. Atlus was niche until they added SL to persona, which is now more succesful than SMT, Xenoblade for some reason didn't manage to be as memorable as old ff, I'd say only Persona managed to break through it
Like they say a lot of jrpg fans now play gachas instead
Because ''gamers'' only care about the sims aspect. People are not buying BG3 because ''HOLY SHIT TURN BASED DICE GAMEPLAY EPIIIIIIIC!!!!!!'' they are buying it because haha I have le sex and romance with characters!
Same reason for persona, RPG gamers are all incels losers.
Every time a turn based game sells people always say “hurr durr they ain’t buying it for gameplay they buying it for other reason hurrr durrrrrrrr”
It’s an ass argument because anti turn based people insist games being turn based repel buyers.
So which is it? Are buyers capable of overlooking turn based mechanics or not?
Ok, so why did Persona 5, when it was on ps4, sold more than smt5? Are you saying P5 is just a way better game than smt5?
Yeah I love turn based but SMT looks like ass
It's because SMT is downright repellent to people. But not for being turnbased.
Religion. God killing. Demons. Curses. Fedora tipping.
People laugh at how FFXVI ended. And SMT is many, many times worse.
But you're telling me SMT sells like shit because it's turnbased, and then P5 somehow sells great because all of a sudden they don't care about that any more or something?
And then you just ignore all other turnbased games that are successful?
So you're saying he's right, people buy turn based games despite them being turn based.
No. I am saying that attributing SMT selling poorly to the games being turnbased is silly. And Persona 5 selling well doesn't change this.
Alright, so riddle me this, why is it that Persona 1 and 2 are completely ignored to this day even by the supposed fans of the series?
Why are Etrian games ignored by the same people who buy Atlus games?
Why was Soul Hacker 2 a massive failure?
And this is just sticking to Atlus' stuff and pretending only mainline SMT is at fault for some reason.
Filtered
NTA but I still don’t get how persona 5 sold so well, it’s pretty much a VN
People like it. (Turnbased)Gameplay included.
It's not much more complicated than that. Prior Persona games had already amassed a very strong and positive reputation on their own. The fame and infamy just caught up with actual sales.
I hope just hope metaphor doesn’t have as much VN stuff
It was released many times across many systems and invested heavily into the characterisation of/interaction with attractive archetypal characters. Compare its latter-day marketing and merchandising with Evangelion, it's nearly one-to-one complete with its own Kaworu.
>Religion. God killing. Demons. Curses. Fedora tipping
P5 literally ends with you killing the archangels and demiurge, Christcuck
SMT's subject matter is what makes it niche, not it's gameplay. A game like that will never, ever, no matter how groundbreaking the gameplay, be popular.
I mean the entire series was based off an edgy light novel that involved summoning a demonic god-like being using a computer program whose first act was to have a ritual sacrifice sex orgy.
Persona as a counterpart is very saturday morning kids show shit, which is why it's more popular than the mainline SMT games.
>I mean the entire series was based off an edgy light novel that involved summoning a demonic god-like being using a computer program whose first act was to have a ritual sacrifice sex orgy.
And that series was one of the most successful pieces of Japanese literature from the time, hence why there were multiple continuing high-budget adaptations.
The argument is doubly shit because of stuff like "people only buy Persona for the waifus" when there's a frickton of waifu games out there and it's not like Persona has particularly amazing writing. So why exactly has it blown up so much?
These waifus game don't have the sims aspect of persona
It's true though.
Why did Baldur's Gate 3, a turn based game, sell so much more than Jagged Alliance 3, another turn based game? Or Wasteland 3, another turn based game?
Is it because it's turn based combat is deeper than those two? Not at all.
FE sold better because of waifus.
>SMT sells like shit(no dating)
>Pathfinder sells like shit(no sex)
>DoS2 sells like shit(no sex)
>Persona sells amazing(dating)
>BG3 sells amazing(sex)
How is he wrong?
I think it was an attempt to copy God of War, which sold over 20 million on PS4/5, than it was DMC. They flopped at their job obviously
The game started development before God of War was released in 2018
The only reason why god of war sells is the same reason other Sony exclusives do, they bundle it with the console and consider that sales. Unlike Nintendo who gives away no games for free, Sony gives away their exclusives and then pretends they sold 20 million when they really sold like 5.
Super Mario rpg, persona 5, honkai star rail and baldurs gate 3. What's next to mog yoshi p in turn based
Persona 5 is on 4 separate consoles with numerous re release and is still almost outsold by FF16 on it’s one console
Stupid Fatlus b***h LOL
>3 million shipped is almost as much as 7.2 million sold
If FF16 was on every system it would still be at 3 million shipped
Reminder ATB is turn based because it retains the philosophy of you're either doing something, or doing nothing at all. The whole point of real time games is you have stuff to do BETWEEN actions beyond holding your dick, like positioning and dodging
>and dodging
so mario RPG isn't turn based?
>or doing nothing at all
Turn based gays love this shit?
OH NO NO NO
expected. nobody is buying that trash
they will soon give it for free whenever you buy a controller or some shit mark my words
Haven't you guys fed this c**t enough? Keep chanting his name every time XVI comes up and he'll think he actually can influence FF sales through autism.
See
If they spent the same energy shilling other jrpgs instead of seething about the same guy everyday...
Why would people shill other JRPGs to FF gays, who notoriously don't play them and will call you a hipster or a contrarian whenever you mention anything else?
Yes anon, you have to hate other jrpgs because life is like Ganker
Any particular jrpg you want to talk about? Let's make a thread about it
Uh? Did you already leave?
Barry had already ascended. He is now Legion.
barry is a movement now
if square announce a mainline final fantasy game thats going to return to form people would apeshit im convinced of it especially since its been so long now how could the execs at square not already know this?
A FF9 remake would sell less than FF16 I guarantee you that
Nta but FF9 is popular, unless its PS5 exclusive too
Unless this is one of those fake to screenshot posts
straight cap, no fricking way if ff9 got a remake that was 1:1 gameplay and content but with a facelift and minor tweaks it would print money especially with the original soundtrack.
It's kind of insane that this massive 200 million dollar budget game is gonna get outsold by a SNES remake that probably costs less than 20 million to make.
You mean Mario, an unknown ip, and Square enix being the one that will receive the money?
Why would it be "insane" when there's yet to be a decently selling PS5 exclusive
>Why would it be "insane" when there's yet to be a decently selling PS5 exclusive
It is insane because it shows how dumb squares priorities are. Outside of the MMO no one wants final fantasy anymore, stop making these shitty games and make something that is actually good.
>200 million
Okay zeldagay
Yeah and pokemon games look like ps1 games with god awful performance and yet still 30M.
Nintendo has been getting with crimes like that since forever.
The funniest thing is SE spent the last few months advertising ff16 as "the first true action rpg ff ever!" but then SE just yesterday put out a article on their site with a bunch of their ARPGs where they say ff15 is the first action based mainline ff and theyre no longer using the "ff16 is the first action ff!" claim anymore
This is what ATB gays consider real time ACTION gameplay lmfao. Where's the action at?
5ch is shitting on ff16 super hard
5ch shits on from too, who cares
They shit on every videogame.
>gay saying he can't play an easy game because he's old
>a game that also has easy modes
He'd probably suck at playing Kirby.
It's funny seeing the exact same cult rhetoric about the relationship between XIV and XVI get posted there too. How long until we're accusing 5ch posters of being Barry or Wowbucks?
And he will do the same shit with FF7 rebirth but instead of YoshiP its gonna be Nomura again
Barry is a fricking lolcow
This. I have been seeing antiNomura and antiSakaguchi for years
I cant wait to go back to FF WAS NEVER GOOD
Nathan stop coping
The Japanese video game industry is so moronic. They all take bribes from Sony to give them better treatment and while that's okay in the short term, long term it's very poisonous to the brand. The vast majority of players are not on PlayStation. And even if you port the game later there won't be as much interest anymore. 10 years later and yiu have a brand no one wants while the Sony bribe money disappears.
>Younger player loves GTA
Why don't they make like a Final Fantasy version of Shadowrun then? Not like gameplay-wise but setting-wise, an urban fantasy environment, combining low scale crimes and mundane financial conspiracies with the eventual reality-shaking grandeur of your standard Final Fantasy endgame
>MC is just some scrappy dude(or girl) bought a sword out of a vending machine, make friends with a knife-wielding thief and some kind of mage
>takes on low level tasks, hacking and slashing his way to fame and fortune while stumbling on random conspiracies and shit
People will talk about what gameplay or settings or tone will appeal to new audiences but Final Fantasy since 10 and many JRPGs in general, have had this bad habit of just throwing a lot of obtuse alien bullshit at you the second you hit the New Game button instead of establishing some sense of humanity or commonality to make the player empathize with the cast. I figure something as simple as your usual GTA structure of steadily escalating jobs from street thug to high rolling corporate crime would do well.
Even something like Chainsaw Man is beyond the current capabilities of Square Enix writers.
5ch are currently shitting on ff16 because of it literally being too fricking dark to see shit, and theyve been shitting on him and ff16 ever since that twitter video they deleted a few months ago
https://itest.5ch.net/krsw/test/read.cgi/ghard/1691749855
Theyre even saying how it looks worse than ff15 which had actual proper sun brightness and night light measurements factored into the lighting
>Younger player loves GTA
This is how out of touch he is.
There hasn't been a new GTA in 10 years.
>turn based is bad because blah blah blah
reminder image boards are literally turn based, why aren't you using discord or voice chat if you hate it so much?
7R system was actually pretty good. It was moronic that 16 didn't use it and add more party interaction to it.
16 was already in development
Development on XVI started before 7R's restarted following CC2's dismissal
I really really really want someone to dox Barry I want to see what this motherfricker look like irl
>Nobody wants turn based
>Gets destroyed by BG3
>Gets destroyes by SMRPG
Lmao
>tendie latching onto BG3 success already
>fans of turnbased rpgs latching onto turnbased rpgs
Yes.
Shittendies are pathetic, yes
No, we don't need their tongue
>xvi cultists so mindbroken by zelda they think everyone shitting on 16 is a tendie
btw super mario rpg outsold ff16 on Amazon in the US in june just from preorders alone
bruh are you an investor.
why the frick do you care what faceless multibillion dollar companies sell compared to other product?
I'm here to laugh at yoshitpisses failure
Ah yes super mario rpg totally the same audience as mainline 2d or 3d mario platformers, that's why snes super mario rpg outsold ff6... oh wait....
>Tendies so mindbroken by BG3 ass raping they are bringing the biggest gaming and entertainment franchise on the planet selling better than much smaller franchise as an argument
Holy shit the desperation
>Source: the voices in my head.
>Implying bGODS3 need those pedophiles
This. Larian created THE masterpiece. Nincels are pretty much wanking a mobile remake made by.....Square israelitenix
Honkai Star Rail destroying all of that already with double the profit of ffxvi
There's going to be multiple seething threads every day until the PC release huh
How does one become Barry?
By winning
Literally lost to Forspoken last week lol
You are the same schizo who says Forspoken is better than hi fi rush
yep, that's a successful game right there
>barry
>winning
the studio and the wienersucker's director are both non-existent at Square, Yoshi-P still has a job at the end of the day even if they did expect above 3 million (flop my ass). (you) couldn't have lost any harder
lumipro is in cbu2 still using luminous
the director and co director of forspoken both worked on ff16 too and are still at SE currently working on a new aaa existing SE IP with the rest of the team who never went anywhere, se rebrabnded luminous as regular SE you moron
new luminous tech video is coming in 2 weeks at cedec 2023
ff16 is a flop, investors are so disappointed it led to stock dropping in free fall
What games are you playing anon? You are always here
How would you know who's always here if you yourself weren't always here?
Cause I check for the catalogue when I get bored and there is always one here
So you're always here
No? A thread can be up for hours
Anyway what games are you playing?
Reminder their are people who legitimately think yoshi will get fired for ffxvi selling as much as they expected it to sell.
why are ESLs like you such big corporate dick suckers?
It sold below what they wanted it to sell
Reminder that Barry and other trannies are coping that Yoship will get fired for producing a game that "meet the expectations" and the biggest MMO on the planet at the moment
literally everything in your post is false
It didnt meet expectations for profit
it met the expectations that it'd flop
FFXIV isn't even bigger than WoW Dragonflight which is the worst-selling WoW expansion ever. Coping about Barry won't change the fact that Yoshida's games just aren't very popular.
If they are not popular why are you always talking about this guy
Also remember they said FFXIV wasn’t getting a new expansion because an earnings report said an expansion wasn’t coming out in 2023.
Nobody said 14 wasn't getting a new xpac you history revisionist homosexual
they said 14 is dead even if it gets another xpac
which it is
>Nobody said 14 wasn't getting a new xpac
Factually false, their are people still to this day saying ffxiv is in maintenance mode when it’s following it same content release
moron people are saying its in maintenance mode after the new xpac was announced
stop being fricking moronic
Read
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/je9E17l13fGGEC07QLpjSg/filter/text/
Absolute buckbreak hoooooooooooooooooooly jesus christ LMAO
I was just looking for this anon
>literally only one post saying "durr no more xpacs"
xvitroons you're not that mindbroken by a single post from april, right? meanwhile in reality people are still saying NOW that ff14 is in maintenance mode you seething mmogay
>one post
Are you pretending to moronic ?
>one post
there's 18 posts using that specfic image
>only one post saying no more xpac
ff14 gays truly mindbroken by one guy
FFXIV fanboys take such deep offense whenever their game us made fun of that they keep a tally of every single person on Ganker that has ever mocked them.
they actually think their barry boogeyman posts on /wowg/ or plays mmos
I know that you don't have any reading comprehension, but there's an obvious implication when using that image Bazzy
The implication of a random shitpost from april which the subtext clearly indicates they are really just laughing at ff14 losing players? ok homosexual
>the WoWfugees are finally leaving
who cares lmao, the playerbase is still higher than during Shadowbringers
Yeah and the game is worse than ever and primarily used as a weeb version of IMVU. It peaked at 1.5 million players, is already declining, and the fanboys are insecure about it.
it's just a little airborne! it's still good! it's still good!
>Nobody said 14 wasn't getting a new xpac you history revisionist homosexual
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/je9E17l13fGGEC07QLpjSg/
lol, okay
>1 single post from april
anon
are you that mindbroken?
>He's still seething about getting trolled.
Dawntrail looks like shit btw.
>Also remember they said FFXIV wasn’t getting a new expansion because an earnings report said an expansion wasn’t coming out in 2023
AHAHHAHAAH holy frick, what an absolute delusional buckbroken morons lol
>Yoshida drinking himself to death because he'll never get to make anything besides the same FFXIV expansion over and over again.
Funny!
see
>Muh biggest MMO.
MMOs are a dead genre (top five MMOs today combined aren't as popular as WotLK was in its time) and FFXIV is behind WoW and OSRS in player count.
>What is opportunity cost
Game studios don't invest into AAA development to simply make back a tiny "expected" profit margin. This game was supposed to expand the series' playerbase but sold way worse than a shitheap like XV.
15 is ludokino
I expect to get a gift card on Christmas
I want a new PC on Christmas
Hitting the minimum required to fall within the range of expectations is not good, SE investors aren't happy, SE analysts are all saying its a poor showing
If you spend $185m and expect to only get $147m back that is not good even if that was your expectation
Where are you getting these numbers from? The game at bare minimum made 210 million and that only if people bought the standard base game.
>made 210 million
holy frick you're actually moronic
it didn't flop, moron. "Below expectations" doesn't mean a game performed poorly.
>july 27
meanwhile in august over a week later SE said it did below high end expectations aka did not exceed expectations aka its a flop
how the heck does FF XVI only have one fricking sword combo???
Final Fantasy continued with Bravely Default.
If you don't get it, you never will.
I wish Bravely Default 2 wasn't just a paint-by-numbers retread of BD1, which we already did with B Second. I feel like they could've done more, and that was validated with OT2.
I’m still wondering why do you people care about how much a game sells, can’t you just enjoy playing video games?
>my favorite game sold more than your favorite game so that mean I won
Why don’t the just play both game ? Are these people stupid or something?
If the game sold 10m you'd making threads about it. gays like you only show up when a game they like sells like shit
Anonymous I legitimately do not care how much a game sold, my favorite games don’t sell that much and I do not care and that will not stop me from enjoying them.
Sure. If this thread was celebrating 10m sales you wouldn't have made that post. Just face it, you only care because people are laughing at it
Did you not read my post at all? Are you ok in the head?
Not him but not really. FF7 threads are about the game itself, not how succesful that game was
A lot of games sell a lot but the fans wont make threads about it.
Nah. Even worse, Xenobladegays who are shitting on it would change sides again and be all
>actually, both games are good
>I actually bought both!
Which is what they did with p5 and why they didn't want to compare p5 sales to xeno2 sales
Pure schizohrenia and forced rivalry, and from the same people who dont play those games
Tortanic ruined this board, now many anons only get enjoyment from watching a game fail, and if it doesn't they will then try to convince others it did.
FF needs to go back to its roots. The problem with FF is always the same. Story and Characters. Ever since XII your party is full of characters with no personality whatsoever and for some reason since FF14 they have removed color from the world and from the characters they design.
>FF needs to go back to its roots.
Open ended RPGs with actual turn based combat, lots of dungeon crawlan, actual open progression and focus on party building and customization?
NES FF isn't particularly popular among FF fans and even if you do like that stuff you'd logically stick to SaGa since it's made by the same person who created the actual roots of the series, and is very true to those to this day.
Yeah but SaGa has a shit leveling system
Why?
General threads belong on /vg/
claiming nobody likes turn based rpgs and then having the single most successful turn based rpg come out a month later has to be a historical gaming L
Do we have preorder numbers for Mario RPG yet?
nintendo is doing it again, BIG numbers.
FF16wasshit because only Ultima looked good (waist up). Not becaude it wasn't nerd based.
>FF16 was shit, because only Ultima looked good (waist up), not because it wasn't turn-based.
Remember when Yoshida drones were bragging that FFXVI would be in the running for GOTY? That was funny.
>tendies forced the witcher 3 vs elden ring
>now they are forcing bg3 vs ff16
Fricking yoko taro dickriders spamming the catalogue cant wait until SE shits the bed and gives that hack ffxvii so it flops. most annoying cult fanbase on Ganker, cant go one minute without seeing some thread worshipping him
Barry is more sane than Yoshidagays.
Yea, but not nearly as good as Gladiator.
Wrong.
you're just proving him right
Yeah, seems like a sane person.
Those aren't even the same person you stupid frick lmao
And that is more sane than anyone defending 14 or 16
>erictroony
>barry
>nomuragays
No.
>321 replies
>76 posters
Holy shitballs, my man Yoshi-P absolutely fricking BUCK BROKEN not only Barry but also tendies and all the other morons LMAO
I love you Yoshi-p.
>not a new IP
ff16 cultists coping extremely hard right now
>shitty remake cashgrab of a bing bing wahoo game proves he was wrong.
no, it really doesn't. JRPGs aren't selling anymore
I'm so close to the end of XVI but I am so god damn bored with it, it's hard for me to actually sit down and do it. Maybe I've been putting too much time into side quests and got burned out, but with the character action gameplay the length should have been MAX 30 hours. Here I am at like 60 and I'm just so fricking ready to be done with it. It doesn't help that the story/characters fail to deliver on its promise established in the into.
Stop responding to the "ATB is not turn-based" guy.
16 was a massive success you gays just hate yoshi_piss
>Ganker considers a game that sold three million at launch to be a flop these days.
really wish we never started using moronic shit like sales figures and steam numbers for console-war bait.
shipped*, not sold
These days, games don't get a profit just from three million shipped, thanks to inflated budgets
shipped not sold
and yes if Tomb raider 2013 at 3.4m was considered a flop then so is ff16 which cost more to make
Three million is low with how ridiculously inflated AAA development budgets have become.
>other mmos aren’t doing well so FFXIV is going to die aswell
>never mind it still super popular
Man that’s kind of cope is making people hate ffxiv this much
>FFXIV player has dogshit reading comprehension despite his game being the definition of Mucho Texto.
FFXIV has 1.3 million players and is the third largest MMO, second at best. Being the second most popular of a genre nobody plays anymore is barely an accomplishment.
1.3 million is the outdated number even. The latest Lucky Bancho report last month counted about 1.1 million active characters across a two month period (total, not an average), and this is a game where you have very little reason to make alts. That's probably a sub count in the 600-700k range. Yet you have people that think that the game is this massive juggernaut or mistake the total accounts created number for active players. XIV's popularity is overstated because its playerbase is extremely loud on social media.
also yoshiP is a PR guy and easily tricks the masses with misleading wording
like that "most profitable!" comment was really just after 11 years accumulated amd isnt even factoring in dev costsof the xpacs which are huge, and not it being most profitable actively in any given year
>sales sales sales
Why are you falseflagging this hard?
They need it for their fake screencaps
If you were in the comfy threads people want the game on pc
>Fake screencap
LAMO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*wheeze*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAGAJHAJA
Pretty sure anyone expecting ffxvi to sell 10 million on PS5 alone is moronic
Gonna cry?
>The situation in the Yoshi cult has become so dire that they now count it as a win that FFXIV didn't get its next expansion after Endwalker cancelled.
Can't make this shit up.
>please ffq6gays fight bg3gays
No way gay, tendie
i just don't understand what's so hard about letting someone who actually likes Final Fantasy make new Final Fantasy games. i get XIII Versus was too big but at least Nomura actually wanted to make it and make it a RPG and not just chase trends and slap Final Fantasy on the box. i'm not even a fan of Nomura and his stories and i'd prefer if 17 were made by him than having some other butthole like Yoshi P try to make a squad based milsim or a platformer visual novel because god forbid Final Fantasy be a fricking RPG
>but at least Nomura actually wanted to make it and make it a RPG
XIII versus looked like more DMC than XVI lmao.
no it didnt
it looked like kh2 mixed with ff type0
>stats
>magic
>party members
ah yes staple features of the DMC series
>morons trolled me about FFXIV not getting any more expansions and I'm still so mad about it that now I act like I'm winning because the game hasn't gone into End of Service yet.
Yoshidabros aren't doing okay.
Not shown in the comic: the fact that you're still seething about a guy being moronic in April and bring it up unprovoked and take pride in that moron nobody cares about being wrong.
Frick off moron.
ff14 is in maintenance mode
>i was merely pretending to be moronic
Did they really think xvi was going to sell anywhere near mainstream game numbers or what?
Uh actually FFXVI selling like shit is the fault of Zodiark trancers who hate my mommy waifu Venat. Please read my 50000 word schizophrenic diatribe about discord drama to understand why.
Everything is fine guys, you are all exaggerating for no reason
Ignore the shareholders panicking, the stock tanking after SE's financial report came out, and even the CEO being unhappy with 16's performance, just trust us YoshidaBros
>YOU MADE FUN OF OUR GAME MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO IN SOME LOW EFFORT SHITPOST AND NOW OUR OTHER GAME SOLD LIKE SHIT BUT WE STILL REMEMBER THE FIRST THING.
>WE ARE YOSHIDACHADS. WE ARE LEGION. WE DO NOT FORGIVE. WE DO NOT FORGET. EXPECT US.
FF14 schizos have been seething, malding over one (1) single post from april, lmao
>Infinite threads shitting on WoW.
>What few WoW players remain don't even care.
>One thread from April misinterpreting a SE report to rile up FFXIV fans.
>They're still furious about it in August, to the point of derailing a thread about a different game to whine about it.
when XIV actually does begin to seriously decline there'll probably be suicides over it
FFXI is still up so I don’t expect it to die any time soon.
I didn't say die, but hit the point where the quality has objectively fallen hard from the peak and only the most delusional people insist it's better than ever
I remember seeing Dreamboum cope extra hard over ff14s declining numbers to the point he made a chart full of fake numbers to prove 14 didn't dip, then a week later new LB numbers were up and showed it lost like 300k and is barely 650k active
WoW still has players?
A WoW addon's new release last month had as many downloads in a week as XIV had reported active characters across two months
Let that sink in
Wow was and always be more popular than FFXIV. I don't know why these morons think that people who've been playing for a decade or more would suddenly stop
XIV where majority don't raid has more people raiding than both retail and classic version of WoW combined.
Let that sink in
>Cites a YouTube thumbnail instead of the actual image.
>The actual image compares full warcraftlogs reports with full FFXIV reports, not players.
>A WoW report is 20 players, a FFXIV report is 8.
>FFXIV parsoids also run raids multiple times a week to farm percentiles.
You've been debunked.
/mmog/ lost.
>WoW players usually have multiple alts
>XIVgays rarely have alts
oh no no no WoWbros.... is it over?
>Wowtroons have to raid on 10 alts to be able to keep up with their treadmill trash raids
>Still less participation than XIV
Jesus christ, no wonder they've discounted troonyflight a month after release and were begging for people to come back to their dead fricking game KEK
Both games are dead as shit. Dynamis and the OCE servers sends their regards
Dynamis really only exists to prevent Dawntrail's login queues
>Transfer over to do the MSQ
>Dead again come 7.1
>Starts posting insane headcanons about WoW now that he can no longer defend FFXVI, the game this thread is about.
lmao Yoshida trancers try to make every thread into an MMO war, which they promptly lose every time. Really funny.
ffxiv is dead and objectively trash so the few remaining gays that still waste their life on it are extremely insecure about it
They're mad because they unironically fell for it at first and only recovered after going to discord for soothing.
just imagine them furiously scouring the archive for anything just to get posts intentionally shitposting to frick with ff14 shills which they think is proof
>things that didn't happen for 100
>FFXIV fan is so desperate he's now denying that the thread we're in even exists.
that's just like your opinion maaan
93 unique ips
Discord thread please understand.
Clive won, and Yoshida mindbroke this board
Buckbreaking World of Trooncraft players was just the beginning for Yoship, my man just can't stop
Nothing more pathetic than being a yoshitpiss cum guzzler
someone post that image where he makes fun of people's criticisms
This frick head lied directly to everybody's face and the ff14/ff16 cultists defended him
14 players are gigantic shit eaters so that is not surprising. what is funny is that he actually thought he could also fool the audience at large by releasing some GoT slop
Normal people react to this by calling him a liar. CBU3tards react to this by saying you should be deeply grateful that you're even getting a game for $70 because the team just tried so hard and it's a real labor of love.
>Did we, though?
>Please look forward to more details about all the in-game RPG elements in April!
Yes, you did, and unsurprisingly it's a major criticism lmfao
FFXIV is less popular than OSRS and /mmog/ got deleted because FFXIV players can't talk about anything except Zodiark trancers. Let that sink in.
Also FFXVI was outsold by FFXV which is garbage.
FFXIV a game where majority doesn't raid and makes fun of raiders has more people raiding that WoW retail and classic COMBINED, a game where there is nothing besides raiding.
Let that sink in.
>Limsa ERPer desperately trying to create a coherent worldview out of his independently-held delusional beliefs of "We all hate raiders! Only 1% of players do savage!!!" and "FFXIV is the most popular MMO ever even though I have zero data to back this up".
lmao
>He's still too chickenshit to post the actual image with numbers, just spams pictures of an eceleb.
clive died and achieved nothing
>clive died
you didn't play the game
>nooo you didn't read some optional dialog in a throwaway sidequest that doesn't imply anything to support clive somehow lived
ff16 has the worst ending in the franchise
it doesn't even have one
you lil guys try so hard to shit on things that you end up saying some the the dumbest shit imaginable
XVI cultists are so mindbroken by clive dying you will cling to literally anything to cope
>NOOOO THE STAR BLINKED IT MEANS [headcanon] [cope] [citation needed]
FFXVI ended on a wet fart and sold 2.5 million.
>clive died
Proof?
>and achieved nothing
He killed god and saved the world
The fact he died
>slavery still a thing
>doomed every bearer to certain death now that they have no use
>blight never reversed and killed 90% of the world
>90% of the world is inhabitable as a result
>back to mudhuts, society never advanced
yep, didn't play the game
You clearly didn't
things hinting at Clive dying :
>his hand turned into le rock !
things hinting at Clive surviving :
>multiple sidequests
>multiple dialogues
>the thousand tomes
>wall of memories
>the book's author at the end
>the narrator of the game
He lived
the main thing that points to Clive surviving is him being a shitty self insert mary sue for weenie homosexuals
more like a gigachad making virgins like (You) insecure
Bearers couldn't channel magic as the crystals got busted, they're going to become indistinguishable with Ultima gone. The hideaway was finding out ways to use blighted soil to grow things from the start of the game and just got better at it. Mid didn't suddenly evaporate either so they aren't going to be going back to mud huts.
>blight never reversed
removing magic also removes the blight dummy
I'm glad you enjoy your action game, but I wanted final fantasy. Was the Mature rating really needed? I started the demo and cringed at the awful writing, tone, swearing and sex. The only good part was the realistic world. To not see a diversity filled world in modern gaming was really nice.
>soulless movie game with a chatGPT script, tech-demo gameplay and MMO structure design
>forgotten and dismissed within a month of release
>entire dev team quietly retreated back to XIV where they're i their element and belong
>the trainwreck that was XV remains the last legitimate FF title
I thought the bundles were going to boost the sales of the game, but most people opted to get the call of duty bundle. Weird time to run both when God of war and Even Horizon got a solo bundle.
>make the best ff since forever
>fans hate it
>journos hate it
>sjws hate it
>contrarians hate it
how did he do it?
Please everyone STOP you are going to make yoshi cry again :'(
>Tales and Star Ocean are already action-based since PS 1 era. Look where they are now.
Tales is in the spot it is due to Bamco moronation and also not SE related. Arise's second half literally killed the game and it hurts to think that Arise could have been an amazing game if it had gotten another year of dev time.
Star Ocean received a shoehorn budget and development time and joined the ranks of shitty and unmarketed AA games that SE shat out over the course of two months just to prove to itself "SEE?! AA GAMES AREN'T THE WAY TO GO! MORE BIG BUDGET GAMES!!!!".
Nobody knows what is talking about and is just pretending
XIV won
XVI won
YoshiP won
simple as.
indeed
It's this. The sad state of lonely children being easily indoctrinated by mentally ill contrarians is what should really be discussed.
>No bro our MMO isn't unpopular dog shit we just uhhh, we just make fun of people who actually do content lol! Only -3% of the playerbase raids because everyone hates them ^_^! The remaining one billion players are just chatting at the Doman Enclave and installing cute futa mods O_O
>Also FFXVI selling 40% of what XV did is a huge success you fricking trancer.
XV had more budget than XVI though. 8 years in development hell + new engine isn't cheap. Same reason why MGSV was considered a flop by Konami despite being best selling MGS game becuase it was too expensive to make.
i love bullying the yoshida gays because all of them are mmo trannies
>Thread about FFXVI, a single-player console game that sucks ass and sold poorly.
>World of Warcraft out of nowhere.
not surprising honestly.
the biggest yoshida dickriders are the same trannies that play his dead "mmo", which also happen to be ex wowgays/blizzard drones so they express the same deranged behavior of worshipping products/corporations
>XIV
>43 results
yeah, no reason at all to bring it up
So Yoshida fanboys are insecure about their low sales and cope by randomly bringing up unrelated MMO war garbage. Got it.
or it's the guy that goes "ugh fricking yoshitpiss game and mmo flopping"
XIV was great
XVI was shit
hopefully they get some new talent at Square to take over mainline entries, because the wholesome MMO team does not have the chops for normal release cycle AAA development