>stand close to each other
>point sharp sticks to the front
>a-move forward until known world is conquered
pre-gunpowder warfare was a fricking meme
>stand close to each other. >point sharp sticks to the front. >a-move forward until known world is conquered
the world isn't a 2d side scroller
Now it isn't but it kind of was in the Past™. Fights were mostly on plains, sieges were throwing man until someone has an idea, etc.
>sieges were throwing man until someone has an idea
Not really. A good siege game was mostly buttoning up the position and starving everyone out.
Unless you were the romans.
based romans
I really wish people like you would just never comment on this subject.
Prove me wrong.
moron
why didn't they just throw a grenade at them
shield deflect
They parry the grenades or poke them with their spears so they explode before reaching them.
or better yet, pelter them with arrows.
A valid strategy if they have no cavalry
have a bunch of spear frickers guard the archers. easy peas.
You didn't beat the war.
Easily countered with foresight. Back then you had to show up at a field to fight. Just make a big booby trap
>see one type of unit
>completely disregard the rest of their military
>reduce strategy to some moronic oversimplification
>hurr durr we modern humans are so smart
pikemen just walked towards each other
romans just had a gladius and went around shanking everyone
napoleonic soldiers just marched into gunfire
ww1 generals just sent waves of men to die
As it turns out usually both sides of any given battle were comparably moronic and wars were more often won by more efficient supply logistics rather than killing prowess.
More like warfare is the single most complicated enterprise humans know of and even a genius will only be able to juggle so many balls at once
*ancient warfare was a meme
ftfy
There is a reason why pike bacame ultra niche for about a thousand years ultil firearms became predominant enough.
>gets flanked
>falls apart
>region becomes irrelevant
go home phil it's over
Maybe the blue jobbers on the right shouldn't get owned
>in the hills
>rain and fog
>no supplies
>inexperienced peasant soldiers because vets are ded
>half the infantry busy foraging for food and don't realize there's a battle
Philip had no chance
>As this pursuit was ongoing, an unnamed tribune (upon realising their position at the exposed rear of the Macedonian right wing) detached 20 maniples (approximately 2,500 infantry combined) and sent them into the rear of the Macedonian phalanx.[4][7][8][9][15] Being quickly cut down due to the inflexibility of the formation, the Macedonian phalanx disintegrated. Some were simply killed where they stood, others pointed their sarissas directly upwards in a sign of surrender that the Romans either ignored or failed to understand. Thus, the slaughter continued, only being stopped due to the intervention of Flamininus.[4]
they really just stood still while geting stabbed in the back
>Want to surrender
>Still hold up your weapon
What did they expect
just go around the side lol
>*turn 90 degrees*
no so fast
the calvary was kept on the wings of formations to stop that from happening.
>Pre-gunpowder
Excuse me?
Shot by cannon. Shot by dragoons. Shot by Crossbows.
>mass of men
>mfw
Send in the fire ox.
not so fast
Can you imagine the terror that would inflict.
Imagine being the guy whose job it was to grab all their spears like that.
Every tercio had some heavily armored swordsmen attached to it crawl under the pikes and stab the pikemen.
he died for tying that but his army won thanks to that
i would probably trip on that morning star and fall headfirst on a pike
Just hold twenty spears at once. Nobody will ever frick with you.
>grabs 20 spears at once to create a massive opening with no chance to defend
CHAD
>spears
>the illiterate peasant who would actually be fighting to death with one of these things depicted in these battles and would probably call it anything
>the 2023 historian who would say "aktshually noone ever called it a spear EVER, it's a PIKE."
Just happy to be included.
How exactly does that work? Wouldn't he get stabbed as soon as he got close to the spears?
hayai na
wouldn't you like to know huh
its a drawing. it's fan fiction
What a fricking Chad
HE BROKE THE GAME
RULES OF NATURE
It was from what I understand, before horse archer every battle is just who had the better flanking maneuvers
>loses to bunch dudes throwing high speed rocks
To be fair, modern warfare is all about throwing high speeds rocks still. The only difference is our high speed rocks explode into even smaller even faster high speed rocks.
Cool reddit post xD pop tarts are ravioli too so coooool
>metal isn't rock because... it just isnt ok
sneed
these dudes are absolute motherfrickers
respect slingers my man
God help them if cavalry show up
well yeah generally you'd have some spearmanii protecting them
it's funny kiting heavy infantry to death though
I have taken out a single Oathsworn unit using 2 separate slinger units.
>getting killed by ancient plap posters
>stand close to each other
>point sharp sticks to the front
>a-move forward until known world is conquered
pre-20th century warfare was a fricking meme
dude they must be overcompensating for something with those giant sticks lol
they could keep those sarissas steady due their massve balls counterbalancing it
The reason they did well was because they were trained as professional soldiers and how to fight in formation.
Most armies at the time were just called up among the local population and we mostly just brawlers once the two sides met.
Its why the spartans were such an effective army, they trained in formation and were able to take commands and pivot quicker than the other armies.
Every time that happens in warfare, one side being able to move and command their side faster than the other guy, they win. Its why napoleon broke the meta for a few hundred years because his command on the battlefield was so lightning fast it made everyone else seem to be standing still.
>hannibal is the greatest military genius ever
>he has the revolutionary idea of having his troops move behind the enemy as well
>no one could figure this out and he was unbeatable in the field
is all of human history literally a meme?
>listening to meme military history
I was always taught that it was a communication and coordination issues preventing more advanced tactics. Real life isn't an RTS where the generals have an overhead view, minimap, and a bunch of hotkeys to micro their dudes around.
Command and control. A bit of luck and good timing put him past being mobbed by romans a few times.
Jan Žižka was literally undefeated with army mostly made out of peasants and carts while facing armies of crusaders
I know it's just a rumor, but the sequel to Kingdom Come is supposed to be set durring the Defenestrations of Prague and the first Hussite War, which sounds badass if true.
guns are just really long mostly invisible spears
i see it
War is always true human evolution
Spears are for homosexuals
total swordBlack person death
based
the roman fears the DACIAN BVLL
I prefer the Germanic units
also acceptable, yes
>sticks the pointy end into your throat/knee
what now b***h?
Bluntchads keep winning
couldn't you just use fire and break their formation?
sorcerer frick off
For some reason noone ever thought of just adding a few archers against the big block of enemies with no shields.
This is what won Edward Longshanks the battle of Falkirk. Wallace's victory at Stirling was a fluke and also wieneryness of the English.
Falkirk showed William was an idiot. Infantry in circled spear fornation with archers in between. Archers butchered like dogs by the English knights. Knights retreat when they can't break through the soear formation.
Longshanks orders longbows and annihilates the scottish men in literal droves as they only had spears and no way to counter the longbows. It was so bad some scots picked up rocks to throw in vain at the archers to stop them.
The Scots mostly died stuck in formation and Wallace fled like a coward. No wonder the Scots sold him out to the English, getting so many killed from moronic strategy and tactics.
Anyone reading about that war knows The Bruce was the real Scottish badass.
That's what cavalry is for.
And its not like every arrow launched is going to hit someone, and those that hit aren't going to be a guaranteed kill. Not to mention arrows are expensive and time consuming to make, and the reality is that you weren't seeing massive volleys of arrows like the movies.
Less expensive than losing thousands of pikemen in a frontal attack i imagine. Hell you don't need to kill everyone, just a few dead random pikemen in the back being unable to advance because of the dude in front being fricking dead will break formation eventually.
the reason was possibly they wouldnt have the money to acquire archers who would probably be a high tech military asset
Is it true in 800s Briton warfare boiled down to who had a hardier shield wall or is The Last Kingdom just a meme?
never underestimate a good shield wall.
>This kills the kBlack person
I love innovation
Damn, I know ilya is cute, but to go to war for her.
Didn't know they had flamethrowers back then
That's from blackpowder hand cannons.
>throw pillums at phalanx
>fricks up their shields
>stab them
Pillows? you want to comfort them to death?
>Deathballing it
The protoss strategy
>Ride horse.
>Fire arrows.
>Run away.
>Repeat until the opposing army is destroyed.
Historical metas are weird bro.
What's going to be the meta in 2030?
The same as today.
AI controlling drones bombing high value targets deep into enemy territory until one country is utterly demoralized and capitulates.
Nuclear.
Suicide.
Drones.
Please stop spreading misinfo. Mongol battles and major victories were in sieges. They dominated because of supply chains and bombards.
Pretty sure he was talking about the Parthians.
He better have been talking about Parthia.
>send in the drones and cruise missiles
>suicide them or drop bombs
>run away
>if they follow, use mines and smart artillery to gib them
>repeat until opposing army is destroyed
But with VR goggles and some kind of point defense for armored vehicles.
Nuclear warheads
Then sticks and stones
Hacking the opponent officers' Xitter account and post Goatse, getting them banned and unable to command troops anymore.
>stand far away from each other
>point metal sticks to the front
>you died
post-gunpowder warfare is a fricking meme
>pre-gunpowder warfare was a fricking meme
Lasted longer than infantry combat, now ur just gonna get bombed by a drone swarm whenever you try to take territory.
I predict future EMP countermeasures if a serious war breaks out.
> imagine your jade forbiden fortress getting breached by a tower full of armed toddlers...
>surround them with cavalry in a box formation
>whenever they get close back off
>just box them in until they all starve or get tired
>slaughter
too easy phaluses
Pre gunpowder wars were just meme wars
gun wars are the dumbest ones. just think of the redcoats standing in lines blasting each others
t. sub 70 IQ
>NOOOO STOP HIDING BEHIND TREES AND ROCKS
>AAAAAAAAA YOU HAVE TO STAND IN RANKS AND WAIT FOR US TO BOW AND RELOAD
>FRICKING DISHONORABLE CHEATERS
why are invaders like this?
>what are cavalry archers
>what are skirmishers
>what is artillery
>what is uneven terrain
>what is flanking
Just wait for them to march through your territory
I wish more games did pike and shot. Empire Total War barely has it early game and it's never enough.
Dude, the amount of games in the pike and shot era absolutely dwarfs not just games, but the amount of ANY media set in, say, Mesopotamia, Ancient or Medevial India and SEA, West African kingdoms, Mesoamerican or Andean civilizations, etc.
Pike and shot is only underused compared to even more overused stuff like the Middle Ages, Vikings, Fuedal Japan, Greece/Rome, etc
A spear is just a bullet on a stick if you really think about it.
How come we never invented spear launchers?
ballista
How come we aren't still using ballistas?
rocket = self propelled spear
How come those spears explode?
>His spear doesn't explode.
We still use Javelins. Which are technically throwing spears... guided by a heat seeking warhead and rocket motor.
Atlatl are pretty cool, but generally inferior to bows
Phalanxes are just part of the classical era's version of combined arms warfare
Just like you don't fight with just tanks and nothing else, you don't fight with just a phalanx formation and nothing else
This twitter/reddit meme bleed over is especially embarassing to see on Ganker. Yes twitter/reddit garbage gets overflowed onto Ganker all the time, but this bullshit should have already been processed by someone on Ganker back in at least fricking 2004, if they actually played motherfricking video games
>combined arms
>formations
but all i use in mount&blades: warband is a frontal charge of khergit lancers and i still win every battles
We live in a time where magic sticks shoot instant death, of course nobody is gonna know how to counter the most braindead medieval strategies anymore.
>t. memory cards
just use money, gay
imagine being a frontcuck practically guaranteed to die in the grind
they probably felt pretty safe
you'd be paid more, back cucks would never be promoted
Why don't modern military commanders just set up a long line of tanks and just tell them to "just keep pushing forwards and keep spaming your ammo as you drive forwards at whatever is infront of you"
>it's another mongol level threat again
syntagma balls