get ready to be forced to upgrade again because the code to do the same to 10 is already in. You can even emulate it with a launch flag and a date change to the end of next year.
I'm on an old Windows 7 install that was upgraded to 10, cloned from an HDD to SSD, swapped from an Intel to AMD chipset, and upgraded to Windows 11. I've had the same install for a long while and have never had any issues with it.
>never had problems with explorer and random restarts with 7
You never had Win7 randomly restart on you because you were too young to remember.
Modern Win7 does not restart on updates because there are no updates for it being released.
When it was being actively updated, it had absolutely draconian forced restarts, that would lock you out of your PC with absolutely no way to postpone or cancel them, whether you like it or not.
You could disable updates, but that was also a system rigged with security holes - you could unironically get your entire PC locked out by a virus simply because you opened the "wrong" (read: "literally any") page on the internet. There was no >just use your common sense bro
back in the day. You needed a dedicated antivirus and a firewall (usually came with the antivirus) because the built-in solutions Win7 had were useless at best and actively harmful at worst.
Windows 10 is a blessing of an OS in comparison. The only people who had issues with it were tech-illiterate kids who are happy to run the first random-ass script they find on the Internet but can't be assed to spend an hour to figure out how the tool they are using daily actually operates.
I had fewer issues (including every single driver failure which should be blamed on Nvidia and not on Windows) during my entire time using Windows 10 (starting from 2016 or so) than the last couple of years of using Windows 7 prior to that. And back then I didn't even OC my PC inducing hardware-level instabilities.
There's this wild bug I spotted with 11, if you open control panel, then put your C:/ in the address bar, it will load the windows 10 style explorer.
Originally I knew about this in 10 and it just caused a UI issue with the border of the navigation pane.
I prefer Windows 11 just because when you connect something in the headphone input, it asks you if it's a headphone or a headset.
Windows 10 tries to guess, and does it wrong every once in a while.
W10 doesn't try shit, if the new device reports itself as being something audio the OS just DEFAULTS to it (ie PS4 controller, monitors with speakers/audio jacks)
nvidia is somewhat overblown at this point
sure, proprietary drivers suck and slow down development
but as long as you have a somewhat recent card and get the settings right, you'll have no issues
Wayland is trash, just stick with xorg for now
>You're going to have install W11 soon anyway
Lol. Lmao even.
I already disabled TPM on my hardware so Win11 is out of the question. Also Win10 LTSC will expire in 2028 so I'm good for another 4 years. At which point I'll just install Linux.
By that logic you might as well wait on 11 since 12 is literally right around the corner and Microsoft is absolutely going to force it down everyone's throat like they did with 10 and 11.
Hell, by the time 10 is EOL, Microsoft might've made it obvious they don't want your business anymore with a locked-down and further molested Windows 12 that nobody sane wants to use at which point you might as migrate to the deep woods and live out the rest of your days in some shack without power or running water.
/v/gays are unironically too socially inept to ask to not have it pre-installed when they go out and buy their next PC that they can totally build themselves but are just too lazy to
For me, HDR just works and dual monitor support isn't a spastic mess.
They seemed to fix things I actually care about, even if some of the newer additions are annoying
Standard support is 2027 and extended is 2032, if you're on 21H2 LTSC. Windows 11 version of LTSC is coming in the 2nd half of 2024, and I could see that version being anywhere from 2037-2042 for its extended support.
Windows 12 is gonna be entirely AI, which besides even more spyware, will likely mean they'll use it to detect and delete pirated content, like Windows Defender already does at its default settings. So i'm glad I can avoid it until I'm in my late 30s. But then I'll likely live in a VR world and won't remember what Windows is, so I'm set for life in terms of OSes.
It's the same shit but prettier, with a more cohesive set of menus and uses powershell by default instead of that cmd garbage. Also it's more likely that microsoft will change over the years to fix whatever is wrong with it while w10 will be abandoned. >inb4 "muh context menu"
you know how google and how to operate the registry, you aren't 12 anymore
keeek
I'm going full on other os when this shit finally dies. They kneecapped the entire steam ui just to make it a bloated piece of trash that is literally just a bunch of chrome webpages. No more skins or anything good. IT's all shit. wastes 3 gigs of ram just to fricking launch terria.
you already have one, it's called SteamCMD. It will work looooooooooooooooooooooooooong after Steam stops working altogether for Windows 7
>an os developed when bush was president is no longer supported
it's over, pc gaming has fallen. billions must uninstall
Not using steam is a temporary solution. You wont be able to use anything anymore in the end.
>Not using steam is a temporary solution. You wont be able to use anything anymore in the end.
Threadly reminder the notice doesn't actually change shit and Steam doesn't magically stop working when that timer runs out. It just means no more updates, and Steam's Vista client still works to this day.
So just install 10 you fricking moron.
Worse, poorgays who can't afford to upgrade to support the OS
What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
If it's about old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11 or whatever.
If it's about privacy (lol, as if win7 is safe), then why haven't you switched to Linux instead?
The only people who are affected by this are autistic morons.
Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year. So enjoy it while it lasts, 10gays. You'll be sneered at by the Microsoft wienersuckers all the same soon for not downgrading your OS like they did day 1.
>Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year.
No there isn't. Lots of relatively modern computers aren't even ABLE to install 11.
>Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year. So enjoy it while it lasts, 10gays. You'll be sneered at by the Microsoft wienersuckers all the same soon for not downgrading your OS like they did day 1.
don't care, I downgraded to windows 11 already
>Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year
frickin lmao >ready fellas, today we are going to drop support for 65% of our userbase
Best anti-steam drm combination is using Goldberg Emulator , Steamless Stub DRM Remover and in tricky scenarios, just downloading cracks for proprietary drms on gamecopyworld.com
Being a pirate was never this easy before
Why would you want to crack an always online drm launcher?
the only feature worth anything that steam has is the workshop, but even that is crippled by steams terrible decisions. There used to be workarounds until they decided to be homosexuals and crack down on ways to avoid having to use steams terrible subscribe system, which is now severely limited to certain games.
i have older steam version(warhammer 3 don't want work with it and can't buy new games)
and current one that i put no update cfg on it
hopefully it will still let me play games on win7 in january
I just decided I will update my 2014 build to it's max potential.
Speaking of which, I just went from 8 to 16GB memory. Can I use the old set of 2x4GB together with the new 2x8GB or will that cause issues? I'll probably buy another set of the same brand during a christmas sale.
You're going to have install W11 soon anyway, it saves you the trouble later. The real solution is installing Linux.
W10 isn't EOL until the end of 2025 and even then Chromium only seems to cut off support when ESU ends; W7 EOL'd in 2020 but ESU only ended Jan of this year.
>>W10 isn't EOL until the end of 2025 and even then Chromium only seems to cut off support when ESU ends; W7 EOL'd in 2020 but ESU only ended Jan of this year.
Time will pass faster than you think.
Matching RAM is a meme and impossible for the layman. Doubling up your sticks years later is asking for minor revisions. What you potentially give up is overclocking if your CPU/mobo/sticks can't handle them all together.
Bad idea, got it.
Imagine you have two sets of clown duos
They both have a very precise act planned specifically around just the two of them.
And now you decide they now have to work together
That's how you get some falling over clowns
>That's how you get some falling over clowns
But will the audience laugh all the same?
Now I'm doubting though, another set of the exact same ram is still fine, right? I always thought that wouldn't cause problems.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Now I'm doubting though, another set of the exact same ram is still fine, right? I always thought that wouldn't cause problems.
'Should be fine'. 2 sticks are most reliable.
I saw some benchmarks where in certain scenarios AM4 could perform better with 4 sticks than 2.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The "Two sets of the same ram" could have different timings.
When you get a 4 pack or a 2 pack (if the manufacturer is good) it's been tested as working together.
Damn. Should've done my research. I'll send this one back and try to find a set of 32gb instead. Not sure what I was thinking anyway, probably wouldn't have saved me much money to begin with.
5 months ago
Anonymous
for what do you need 32gb ram on a 2014 build, even the newest games dont use 16
5 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing in particular, but considering it still pretty much plays everything I want, given some sacrifices, I figured instead of buying a new one I could squeeze as much out of this current PC as I could. Parts are cheaper and saves me having to buy a new Mobo.
Might get me to play some newer games too.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The "Two sets of the same ram" could have different timings.
When you get a 4 pack or a 2 pack (if the manufacturer is good) it's been tested as working together.
Imagine you have two sets of clown duos
They both have a very precise act planned specifically around just the two of them.
And now you decide they now have to work together
That's how you get some falling over clowns
XMP/EXPO/etc propably won't work at all. Different memory sticks should declock themselves to slowest one, but with all profiles now that are needed, it might even end up in some crashes.
Nothing. I have mismatching rams in terms of speed and capacity and they work fine. Although I just ordered some high speed ram because I really need the upgrade.
Matching RAM is a meme and impossible for the layman. Doubling up your sticks years later is asking for minor revisions. What you potentially give up is overclocking if your CPU/mobo/sticks can't handle them all together.
Matching RAM is a meme and impossible for the layman. Doubling up your sticks years later is asking for minor revisions. What you potentially give up is overclocking if your CPU/mobo/sticks can't handle them all together.
>Now I'm doubting though, another set of the exact same ram is still fine, right? I always thought that wouldn't cause problems.
'Should be fine'. 2 sticks are most reliable.
I saw some benchmarks where in certain scenarios AM4 could perform better with 4 sticks than 2.
The "Two sets of the same ram" could have different timings.
When you get a 4 pack or a 2 pack (if the manufacturer is good) it's been tested as working together.
RAM question, is it worth filling up every slot? Would that provide any improvements?
Worth it in the long run. Don't be one of those guys who complain 5 years later that 8gb of ram isn't enough for web browsing on a gorillion tabs anymore.
no
these days the memory controllers in cpus aren't good enough to handle 4 dimms of fast ram consistently, in other words if you want to use something like 6000mt/s ddr5 ram or more then you're likely to run into problems like your pc not even being able to boot
it's one of the largest and most complicated codebases in existence. valve can either >hire or sponsor devs to keep it running on a dead operating system >tell 1% of their player base they need to upgrade windows
it's obviously going to be the latter. chromium isn't something you spend a day looking at and then start submitting PRs
What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
If it's about old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11 or whatever.
If it's about privacy (lol, as if win7 is safe), then why haven't you switched to Linux instead?
The only people who are affected by this are autistic morons.
Microsoft was literally using malware tactics to trick people into "updating" for free because they know nobody fricking wants any windows after 7 since they have nothing to actually advertise those newer OS's with. The only new features are turning the consumer into the product.
I imagine a lot of that number is made up of non-personal use, like computers in libraries or businesses where upgrading isn't really crucial (and as such steam dropping support wouldn't affect them).
>Businesses and libraries somehow intentionally dodge the forced upgrade but there being 47 million autists scared of moving on from their favorite thing is banal
I'm assuming the 47 million number that other anon came up with is referring to there being that many active Windows 7 machines globally, rather than that many steam users who still use Windows 7.
Not sure where anon is getting 47 million, but it's definitely not from Steam.
Valve doesn't publish official numbers but current estimates are around 130-150 million active users total, and the Windows 7 share is just barely above 1%. Even if you're being generous, there are at most 2 million W7 users left on Steam.
I just upgraded from 7 to 10 (IoT LTSC) and it's actually pretty good. No search bar, no ads, no bloat, just got to get past the shitty cloud account stuff they try to force on you (set up a domain user instead) and it just werks.
Unlike linux win7 actually works, in comparison with win10+ it isn't a spyware infested piece of shit that doesn't even let you access files on your own computer, modern shitblows is a literal NSA backdoor system, no doubt about it
1. You're an american so you already have 0 privacy because your laws allow you to get bummed by the government
2. Im sure the NSA has no backup plan for older OSes terrorists should just use W7 to communicate to each other how the frick would they crack that?
the point is that it's not vulnerable to hackers as you put it
5 months ago
Anonymous
...anon, I want you to think real hard about how exploits work.
How long do you think it takes Microsoft to discover, patch and update them?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Reminder the NSA fricked up and leaked their own exploits and tools bringing us wannacry/ghost/spectre ransomware shenanigans. And this was based on old exploits, imagine what they're holding back now for modern Microsoft.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This guy gets it
5 months ago
Anonymous
I was browsing Ganker on windows 7 that year when it hit, and while it didn't affect me, it made me think about what else the dumbasses in charge were hiding, so I refuse to use any modern windows operating system because it essentially trapped you in a fearmongering cybersecurity rat race. It became obvious that no one should stay on windows or any singular corporate backed OS.
I didn't consider dual booting to linux until 5 years later and it was only for modern titles I wanted to play. And while linux is corporate, it is backed by many corporations with the involvement of retail programmers who live off donations. Not one corporation dominates alone even if certain zaibatsus have their own spin-off flavors like Ubuntu.
tl;dr stick to 7 but consider linux, never use windows again
5 months ago
Anonymous
linux is pozzed and corrupt since ibm bought it
whatteveryt bought majority stake in fedora
This, there's always DOES X WORK ON WIN7 SIRS!?!?!? threads for every game on earth, just like XPiggers back in the day.
i boot to xp to play dark reign 2 cuz it still dont work well on win7 or 10 even with dgvoodoo
5 months ago
Anonymous
>linux is pozzed and corrupt since ibm bought it
I don't think you know what linux even is at this point, anon. Fedora isn't all of linux (in fact is only a minority) and I highly discourage the use of that PoS distro nowadays, neither should you use their parent's redhat either.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>ibm >buying a kernel
You don't know what you're talking about.
5 months ago
Anonymous
exploits get patched at the same time as windows 10 and 11, just look at what happened with the .webp 0-day a few months ago.
sure maybe windows 10+ has some nice features for morons like defender smart screen, but if you know how to set up a firewall and a secure browser, and know not to download executable files from freeramdownload.com, then you are not any more likely to get owned on windows 7 vs 10 or 11.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand how you can be this dense.
Windows 7 gets emergency security updates.
Which means that when Microsoft discovers something that can use your outdated OS to infect other people, THEN they patch it.
Your security isn't being kept up to date.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you made an unintentional concession that microsoft continues to patch actual threats while ignoring literal non issues. if you harden the operating system yourself and use common sense™ there is very little to worry about.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>literal non issues
"Man I sure am glad the doctor fixed my broken arm! What? The multiple lacerations covering my body? Oh those are just non-issues, don't mind them."
^ this is you
5 months ago
Anonymous
ok
5 months ago
Anonymous
People like you are what keeps my IT company alive. Thanks for that!
5 months ago
Anonymous
by all means, send hackerman my way and he can pwn me i promise i will smear shit across my shower wall that reads, "THANK YOU, HACKERMAN!"
then instead of simply reinstalling my os and flashing my bios, i will pay your shit company over asking price to fix my computer/network.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You are hilarious. No seriously, people like you are what makes this world fun.
>If it's about old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11 or whatever.
its not tho
I play plenty of old games and they work perfectly(or at last fine) on win7 when do not work well(or at all) on win11(or 10) >why haven't you switched to Linux instead?
its not user friendly and i am to lazy to learn it >What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
i know it, i like it and so far it just works, it work much better with older titles as well, its also is somewhat faster than win10(tested it)
99% of the time they're just poorgay 3rdies that wont just drop a week's pay into building a new high-end gaming PC that'll last them 10 years
the other 1% just make excuses for being lazy
>What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
It being the latest and greatest windows. Everything after it has just been an excuse to infect windows with aids.
>old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11
you are a dumb Black person
you are the blackest moron gorilla Black person i have ever seen
Just played Heroes of Thicc fricking thighs on my GNU/Linux machine, now owned by M$, so I need people to buy windows 11 to pay for server maintenance.
Idk, I stopped playing like 5-6 years ago and just redownloaded it today. Last I heard the game was put on a life support in around 2020, no new heroes or balance patches but the servers are running.
Then in the past couple of months there were 3 bugfix and balance patches, with one patch changing the difficulty rating of multiple heroes. At the same time dataminers found mentions of Steam synchronization in the last Hearthstone update. So people are speculating that the game can be launched on Steam or some of MS stores, and probably given another chance.
80% of my games and programs don't work.
The ones that did has stuttering whenever new chunks of the map loaded in.
No I will not buy an entirely new GPU to "test" it when 80% of other shit doesn't work either.
>DRM locks you out of all your games if you don't upgrade your operating system to one it supports because they coded their online store into it >fanboys of this DRM just insult you if you don't comply >it's completely okay when Valve does it >savior of PC gaming according to them btw
>>DRM locks you out of all your games if you don't upgrade your operating system to one it supports because they coded their online store into it
I just wanted to find a way to continue playing the most updated TF2 offline with bots without Steam. There must be an updated version of TF2 without Steam available to be playable offline somehow, but I don't know how or where to find it.
>I just wanted to find a way to continue playing the most updated TF2 offline with bots without Steam. There must be an updated version of TF2 without Steam available to be playable offline somehow, but I don't know how or where to find it.
Just use SteamCMD. Look it up. It's steam on a command line, and lets you even keep the games up to date so you can keep playing with others online.
They can't get rid of it either because it's a tool for dedicated servers.
This isn't a steam problem though, it's a chromium problem, and besides nobody is obligated to keep supporting end of life systems
Somehow 7gays are even more moronic than XP gays were back in the day
I hardly play my steam games anymore abd just pirate stuff. I'll just play Guild Wars 1 for a year before I build a new PC with some pajeet OS and see what I missed out with modern gayming.
I just wanted to find a way to continue playing the most updated TF2 offline with bots without Steam. There must be an updated version of TF2 without Steam available to be playable offline somehow, but I don't know how or where to find it.
STAY ON SEVEN SAY NO TO ELEVEN
WE'RE PC GAMERS NOT STEAM LAMERS
WE PAID A PREMIUM BUT NOT FOR CHROMIUM
WE'D RATHER BE ON TIM'S SIDE THAN WATCH SEVEN'S GENOCIDE
CEASE PATCHING NOW
CEASE PATCHING NOW
Normies are too dumb to use it. I don't care about playing games as soon as they come out, so Ubuntu and Proton has worked great for me. Nice to not have to deal with the windows bullshit
>Normies are too dumb to use it
That is true, but this thread isn't about normines that can barely use windows 10 of all fricking things, this thread is about the people who know how to use a real operating system, aka people with a brain. Obvelsy windwos 7 chads are no normines, its about that INSTALL GENTOO is the worst operating system of all time, id rather go back and use mavericks, before i'd ever Install a gentoo
What version of windows are you using now?
I personally haven't had windows at home for 5 years, but I really miss that feeling of having my first desktop with windows XP and excitedly waiting for Vista.
>its by DEFINITION a emulator
It's by definition not an emulator but a compatibility/translation layer.
Those are two very different things. The former has a massive overhead because it has to effectively recreate the entire environment and then make it run the task at hand.
A translation layer takes commands of one system archetype and maps them to corresponding commands of another system archetype. When executed perfectly, it can have literally zero overhead.
it's a compatibility layer, you know what else uses compatibility layers? windows, you are using one whenever you run 32 bit software on 64 bit windows
>Compiler is an emulator
No. That's fricking moronic. Stop.
You are not running code pre-compilation. You only run the code that is already compiled. Compiled code is assembly.
5 months ago
Anonymous
And proton isn't running directX calls, it's compiling them into vulkan
5 months ago
Anonymous
>it's compiling them into vulkan
no, it's translating. the game sends high level API directx commands through DXVK that vulkan also knows how to execute.
Im mostly referring to compiler optimizations, and how direct x speacks direactly to the hardware, with proton, its an extra step, there is no native talking with the software, it have to be "translated" in a sense. Yes, I know that proton "translates" rather then fully emulates, but to most people, its just that, an emulator. I'd wouldn't mind dual booting lenix, if there was native x86 and x64 surrpot for fucing windows based everything. I just dont understand this part, why not just make a "lenix" based operating system with code that is basically windows? I assume its something about copyright tords micoshit, but people like gaben can file a lawsuit, claim they have a monoply on tthe idea of a oprating system? It just sounds to convoluted, with too many work arounds, and WAY to much time, for something Justworks™ on a different system.
>and how direct x speacks direactly to the hardware, with proton, its an extra step
it really isn't. DXVK and things like that just implement the DirectX API. applications using it make native calls and those native calls do native things, just not the native things that windows would do.
>Im mostly referring to compiler optimizations
The vast majority of compiler optimization has to do with basic logic and efficiency, it has nothing to do with the OS. Then there comes optimization for processor-level logic, which also has literally nothing to do with the OS. The scope of compiler optimization that is OS-dependent is minuscule. >how direct x speacks direactly to the hardware
If something "speaks directly to the hardware" it can "speak directly to the hardware". The OS is not involved. If the OS is involved, it means it doesn't "speak directly to hardware". >its an extra step
That usually takes a few nanoseconds. Meanwhile, performance bottlenecks in real-time applications can be measured in milliseconds. >I just dont understand this part, why not just make a "lenix" based operating system with code that is basically windows?
Because the Windows' source code is proprietary and has to be reverse-engineered to be replicated.
Skyrim and fallout lewd mods as alot of them require .net libraries which is a pain to configure with MO2. I will get it working but some animations won't play at all so it easier to buy one pc for fetish games and the other my main Linux, but Win11 seems like dog vomit, so I'm staying on 10.
>people forced to leave windows 7 >people who actually leave steam have almost nothing on their account, if not exclusively F2P games >some will move to windows 10 >some will move to linux
You might not see it yet, but this is part of Valve's plan to put Linux on even ground with Windows, as the years have gone by slowly developers of both hardware and software have started to support Linux more.
People who don't the latest windows OS will be forced to move to Linux, with the increase of Linux users means developers have more incentive to develop for that kind of OS, steadily increasing support until it becomes a regular practice to make sure your product works for both.
Look at some of the most popular games of today, about half of them support Linux, even Minecraft supports Linux.
All Microsoft has to do is stop screwing over their userbase, but they won't, so this will never stop.
Eventually Windows 10 will be given the same treatment, and more will convert to Linux.
You complain now, but when the number of Linux users is too great for developers to ignore, you will thank Valve.
The SteamDeck (and Valve's PCVR standards) will go down in history as the spark that ultimately caused Microsoft to be consumed by flames and burn down with the rest of the Military Industrial Complex.
>Valve's PCVR standards
While Index HMD was a great buy in 2019 and 2020, it's very overpriced now.
My biggest issue is the controllers though, they always break. Sometimes it's the touchpad, sometimes they just start boot looping out of nowhere.
I reckon the big issue is that they didn't make them resistant to moisture (in this case sweat), which is why they break a lot.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I wonder how common of a issue it is on other VR controllers like ones found on Oculus Rift CV1 where some controller sensor goes to shit and you can no longer easily point things or make certain hand motions.
the problem is that valve is not really encouraging linux development since proton incentivizes devs to ignore linux completely and let the compatibility layer do it for them. this isn't making native linux more common.
What's funny to me is most distros are not great to run long term without updating. Debian and Ubuntu LTS come to mind, but they become pretty unusable outside the support window. And the support windows are much more rigid, they're not going to be extended.
Are people who are still using windows 7 doing so because they hate the new versions of windows, or because they hate change? If it's the latter they're in for a big shock when their distro of choice EoLs the version they have installed.
>win 7 just works >but only if you slipstream nvme driver because no driver >no USB 3.0 support btw, better whip out your PS/2 keyboard >Windows update is broken unless you install these two specific updates >You better hope that your wifi dongle comes with a CD driver or no Internet for you.
It's not true
>>You better hope that your wifi dongle comes with a CD driver or no Internet for you.
This happened to me. Dongle didn't work out of the box and I don't have a CD drive. Luckily I was dual booting with Ubuntu. I had to boot into Ubuntu, plug in the dongle (worked perfectly), download the driver, put it on a thumb drive and boot back to windows.
>NSA finds about the exploit >don't inform microsoft, instead use it to develop their own tools >tools get stolen >wannacry happens
How could this happen.
>INSTALL GENT00!
And this is why people hate lenix, its the most reddit operating system ever, and its user base are the most insufferable homosexuals in existence.
>I HATE WINDOWS OH MY GOD WHY IS STEAM FORCING ME TO UPGRADE I HATE IT IT'S CANCER PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME DO IT I HATE BILL GATES I HATE WINDOWS 10 I HATE THE ANTI-CHRIST >how about you try linux? >nah that's reddit troon shit
When is Steam going 64-bit? I thought they'd make the switch when Apple dropped 32-bit support and Valve had to program a native M1 version, but no, everything still lives in program files x86
>File explorer randomly focuses into view every now and then, seemingly randomly >Clicking things in it, or in certain other places will freeze everything up for like 10 seconds >Only started happening once I went to 11
Sure is cool how I have to choose between this or having 80% of my games not work
>or having 80% of my games not work
or you know, creating steam.cfg next to steam.exe and typing in
BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable
or simply saying frick steam and cracking all of your games so they don't run through steam. unless they're multiplayer only or you care because of the multipler then it's better in every way.
Good thing you cucks mindlessly supported steam and valve to the point they became a monopoly and can do shit like this with 0 consequence.
Haha fat man make good meme LOL GAYBEN
>doesn't use the new free windows 11 >what are you poor
Are you being intentionally stupid or was it unintentional? Genetics? Head injury? Brown?
Just install Linux.
Don't tell me you're suddenly a specifically an Adobe Artist and play all those games that already don't let Win 7 users play because their free rootkits don't work without Win 10
Not the point.
The point is steam is doing something objectively bad for consumers but because the steam wiener is so far up the drones asses it's capable of speaking for them.
And steam has been doing more and more anti consumer stuff with 0 blowback.
>The point is steam is doing something objectively bad for consumers
running a 13-year-old unsupported operating system is objectively bad for consumers
Just install Linux.
Don't tell me you're suddenly a specifically an Adobe Artist and play all those games that already don't let Win 7 users play because their free rootkits don't work without Win 10
>noo i will never move from 96 >noo i will never move from mx >noo i will never move from xp >noo i will never move from vista (said no one ever) >noo i will never move from 7 >noo i will never move from 8 (said no one ever)
*you are here* >noo i will never move from 10
You WILL install Win 11 and you will like it
yeah, that's how it usually goes for live-service reverse engineering.
only the most autistic people (linuxgays) will have the know-how or drive to actually do this, so windowsgays are probably going to be out of luck.
no encryption is infallible if usable information is meant to be unencrypted on the clientside. you would probably just have to examine the packets sent from a real windows 11 client to figure it out.
it's insanely autistic and time consuming though, so windows7gays should not expect anything to come out of it.
I mean, people have been warning about locking your games behind a completely separate 3rd party app for well over a decade and a half now.
That's why you either get GOG or pirate.
Or use Linux for Steam stuff.
>I am not responsable
I mean have you seen the people that comment on these videos, they are actual morons, I wouldn't want to help all of them either.
Even if the video doesn't show anything advance I'm sure they would frick it up
The CIA have been tapping our phones for decades and companies have been selling your data since the inception of the Internet. If it makes you feel any better; you aren't interesting enough of a person for that to be a concern.
>things that are beyond your control are your error
Whatever helps you sleep at night
>beyond your control
Oh, do continue. Tell me about how you aren't intelligent enough to use Windows 10.
>you aren't interesting enough of a person for that to be a concern
That's what they said when governments required people to declare their religious beliefs on their id cards.
Unfortunately that mistake lead to a small genocide of 6 gorillion people.
You sure about that?
Because I got a call from an op last year and they tried to jail me for no reason.
The used prime time TV and made up a story but it didn't stick.
I had to leave the country to escape the mess.
they want to get better at selling you shit, that's it. nobody's going to blackmail you or call your mom over all of the diaperfur porn you've been downloading
But that's not the only thing they do.
Il give you one example
When you finally get enough money to escape your financial class and move up a bit in life but then something unexpected happens and you slump back.
Yah that's scripted usually a driving violation out of nowhere that you didn't do.
Or they make you loose you job.
You see you get assigned a class at birth and they only let a certain percentage move up usually people that are easy to control of blackmail.
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Ok try this get pulled over with lots of cash money in your car legal.
Than give it 2 weeks see how many institutions suddenly need money from you.
Win7 is non-free software that doesn't respect your freedom and you shouldn't be using it. You also shouldn't be using a Digital Restrictions Management launcher like Steam. Why not switch over to an OS that actually respects your freedoms and allows you to use it in any way you wish?
I have a computer with Windows 10, but this made me decide to buy my games exclusively through other vendors (GOG mostly) unless it is Steam exclusive.
I know that one day a Windows OS that is cloud only will release and Steam will inevitably force you to use it. I won't partake in sunk cost fallacy.
>I know that one day a Windows OS that is cloud only will release and Steam will inevitably force you to use it.
or you could use linux, which steam enthusiastically supports
I am not trusting enough to believe that they will forever support Linux. At best, I expect them to eventually only support a specific version of Linux, which will be ass cancer.
In general there is little sense in buying a game from a place that stands between you and the game at all times, where there are other places that don't.
>I am not trusting enough to believe that they will forever support Linux.
Linux is their long term strategy because they hate what Windows is becoming as much as anyone else. Steam Deck was a clever ploy to get a bunch of testers on the compatibility layer that they officially develop and support. > At best, I expect them to eventually only support a specific version of Linux, which will be ass cancer.
Steam has a flatpak installer which is about as universal as it gets.
Not that I can really argue against GoG being DRM free, that is nice, but if you're worried about Windows cancer then you might as well get off it now because it's only going to get worse.
>Linux is their long term strategy because they hate what Windows is becoming as much as anyone else. Steam Deck was a clever ploy to get a bunch of testers on the compatibility layer that they officially develop and support.
headcanon
bro, here it is from the fat horse's mouth 10 years ago
https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-linux-and-open-source-are-the-future-of-gaming/
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and the fat man has never lied once
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>that's headcanon >ok he said that but he might be lying
if you're going to keep shifting the goal posts, what's the point of discussing things? still, get the frick off windows if you're afraid of some new future version that will finally be too much AIDS for you. you could rip the band-aid off now and get familiar with it instead of repeating this thread 5-10 years from now
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>hates what windows is becoming >forces people to use the latest windows
"piracy is a service problem" < quote from the same man.
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Sadly that was a quote he made when they were still in the process of becoming top dog. Now that they are top dog, that's out the window.
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That's the thing though, you're not forced to use the latest windows. Gabe has put the option right in front of you.
But that's not Steam OS.
inb4 steam os is also arch, wrong, it's Valve's curated flavor of Arch that just works out of the box
Give me an OS where I don't have to configure anything and jump straight into a game on steam in 5 minutes flat
so what can i do in linux that i can't in windows, that completely trumps windows and at the same time is something extremely useful for the day to day of a non heavy tech literate person?
>so what can i do in linux that i can't in windows
Nothing, except everything is 10x more of a pain in the ass to do and you spend most of your time troubleshooting instead of getting anything useful done, just use windows 7 and reject modern Black persontech
>just use windows 7 and reject modern Black persontech
i hope you plan on airgapping that machine within the next few years, because steam isn't going to be the only thing that stops being updated
perhaps the better question is what do you think you need to do in windows that you cannot on linux? if all you do is browse the web and play vidya, then linux is probably fine for you.
>why is steam forcing me to upgrade!?
The operating systems are kind of old, and google is stopping compatibility. You could update to a modern OS. >I hate windows 10 and windows 11!
That's fair. why not crack them? >EWWW NO THAT'S FOR FAT NERDS
Okay, then you could use linux. >EWWW NO troony OS
Okay, you could keep using windows 7, but that would mean you'd have to crack and pirate your games >NOOO THAT'S THEFT YOU EVIL COMMUNIST!
Well, then I don't know what to tell you.
Keep the last Steam build before the one that literally ticks a box to not allow W7 usage. Block the program from trying to update. Enjoy all your games although you will not be able to buy new ones (possible, not confirmed) or use any multiplayer features. There are threads on the steam forums that list step by step what to do. I will never upgrade they can eat my shit, I will still dual boot xp+7. Worst case scenario I won't click on download but on open magnet link whoaaaa so hard!
Thanks for the link. The latest comment also noted that the EoS announcement has changed the wording of their notice too. >As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, existing Steam Client installations on these operating systems will no longer receive updates of any kind including security updates. Steam Support will be unable to offer users technical support for issues related to the old operating systems, and Steam will be unable to guarantee continued functionality of Steam on the unsupported operating system versions.
Depends on the type of the key.
If it's a Retail key, then it can be reactivated as many times as you want, provided the old system with this key is not online anymore.
If it's an OEM key then there are some variations but generally, you shouldn't bet on it being able to reactivate on different hardware. Sometimes it can but it depends on the subtype of the channel and the only way to check it for sure would be to attempt it.
You can run "slmgr /dlv" in the terminal to see what license are you using.
If you are running Home version OEM, you can purchase the upgrade from the MS Store - that'll switch the license to Retail. If they still sell upgrades, anyway. And it's expensive too.
>So you have your games >You have your system >But we can change things by force >And that's a good thing
Pc cucks and console cucks are one and the same. You only own your videogames when you don't pay for them.
>We expect the Steam client and games on these older operating systems to continue running for some time without updates after February 15th, 2024, but we are unable to guarantee continued functionality after that date.
This right here shows the client and your games will still work but they can't guarantee it won't break.
>an embedded version of Google Chrome
Why would you even do this. There's being self-sufficient, there's bringing middlemen in, and then there's this shit. That's just asking for trouble.
because for better or worse, the web has become the way to make cross-platform UI that's not total shit. if "embedded chrome" is a novel concept to you then you haven't been paying attention, because it's fricking everywhere.
Windows 98 and Windows 7 are pretty different.
Windows 7 and 10 / 11 are barely different with the latter two being absolute downgrades besides native ISO mounting
This is a 2023 game and it ran just fine on my W7 machine.
I haven't found a game that doesn't work on 7 yet so I aint upgrading. I've heard W10 compatibility with pre-2010 games is pretty sucky so I'm sticking with its older brother for a bit more.
If push comes to shove, I'll just dual boot.
Steam should reimplement the launch version of their client. It was better.
>block steam updates
Heh, nothing personal Gabe.
Also still using old Steam UI. Chromium can get fricked.
can't buy games and can't play warhammer 3 tho(denuvo refuse to start even after code to validate it) have current steam separate install to play it tho and its setup for no update too
I am sick of seeing Linuxgays. Such a loud bunch for being <1% of users (and no Steamed Dick doesn't count).
No, I will not switch to your shitty hobby / server OS. Until it's actually good and ready for normalgay use, shut the frick up.
>I am sick of seeing Linuxgays.
Why would you care what OS people use? You're not a shill are you? >No, I will not switch to your shitty hobby / server OS.
As long as the OS is available, I don't mind whether (You), or the general population for that matter, uses it or not. >Until it's actually good and ready for normalgay use
It is good precisely because it's not ready for normalgays. Being able to craft your own system is the entire point for the advanced distributions. If you want a "normalgay" friendly linux, there are more than enough to pick from such as Ubuntu or Mint.
I tried the so-called "user friendly" Mint, but can't say it was a great time.
ASUS Wi-Fi dongle doesn't work because no drivers, so had to use my phone over USB tethering. Already an instant dealbreaker since I'm not gonna download and torrent over a data capped phone.
Bluetooth audio using my Sony XM5s was delayed by a few seconds and crackly when playing certain sounds, also a dealbreaker.
Then I tried to play Starfield (was new at the time, wasn't aware it was trash) and the game would black screen upon loading a save.
Issue was caused by the latest NVidia drivers, apparently, but when downgrading to the 2nd latest, it would run at like 10FPS (on a 4080!) so not playable either. 3rd dealbreaker.
Also modded Skyrim is my bread and butter, yet there is no Wabbajack or Vortex/Nexus support. It is on the way (thank you Steam Deck) but a dealbreaker for now.
So that was my experience. If that's the easiest and most friendly version, I shudder to think of using anything else. But if you have a recommendation that actually works, then I'm all-ears.
It's a shame because I'm a big supporter of what it represents, but at the end of the day, I just want my computer to work without hassle.
>Already an instant dealbreaker since I'm not gonna download and torrent over a data capped phone.
....why are you using your data to tether instead of connecting the phone to wifi. And brands don't matter for wifi adapters, what matters is the chipset which you can find with lsusb
If you use USB tethering, it automatically turns off Wi-Fi, leaving you on 4G/5G. Both Android and iOS do this, so I assume it's a technical limitation or something.
Also makes the phone really hot and rapes the battery health, even on my S23 with the latest chipset. So still not a viable option.
I'm just saying that a mainstream product (a lot of motherboards don't have built-in Wi-Fi, and Ethernet isn't convenient for most house layouts) from a mainstream company, just simply doesn't work. How is that acceptable? Why do people consider this OS ready for prime-time and claim it's simple to switch from Windows? Feels like I fell for a meme and wasted my time.
Why don't they bundle drivers in the OS? Windows gives you a slew of them that you'll likely never need, but that also ensures anything you plug in from any time period or part of the planet will just work. It's not like they're big files or anything, especially for 2023.
>If you use USB tethering, it automatically turns off Wi-Fi, leaving you on 4G/5G. Both Android and iOS do this, so I assume it's a technical limitation or something.
I used to use my phone for WiFi tethering and never once used data.
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Not sure what I did wrong then. Wi-Fi would automatically turn off and have the toggle greyed out, until I turned off tethering, then would instantly come back on.
>Why don't they bundle drivers in the OS?
They do though.
Clearly isn't serving its purpose, then. I couldn't imagine people that use peripherals that are niche or no longer common.
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Not all phones can do WiFi tethering.
I tried the so-called "user friendly" Mint, but can't say it was a great time.
ASUS Wi-Fi dongle doesn't work because no drivers, so had to use my phone over USB tethering. Already an instant dealbreaker since I'm not gonna download and torrent over a data capped phone.
Bluetooth audio using my Sony XM5s was delayed by a few seconds and crackly when playing certain sounds, also a dealbreaker.
Then I tried to play Starfield (was new at the time, wasn't aware it was trash) and the game would black screen upon loading a save.
Issue was caused by the latest NVidia drivers, apparently, but when downgrading to the 2nd latest, it would run at like 10FPS (on a 4080!) so not playable either. 3rd dealbreaker.
Also modded Skyrim is my bread and butter, yet there is no Wabbajack or Vortex/Nexus support. It is on the way (thank you Steam Deck) but a dealbreaker for now.
So that was my experience. If that's the easiest and most friendly version, I shudder to think of using anything else. But if you have a recommendation that actually works, then I'm all-ears.
It's a shame because I'm a big supporter of what it represents, but at the end of the day, I just want my computer to work without hassle.
>If you use USB tethering, it automatically turns off Wi-Fi, leaving you on 4G/5G. Both Android and iOS do this, so I assume it's a technical limitation or something.
no, it doesn't, you might be turning on wifi tethering and even then my phone can actually connect ot wifi and create a secondary network, other android phones I've tried don't touch wifi when you enable usb tethering either.
And it's down to hardware manufacturers to ake drivers for their products, not the OS, and plenty out there has drivers in kernel like the chink nobrand shit I have on my desktop right now. b***h at ASUS for not properly supporting their hardware.
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Okay moving on from this point that was 1/4 of my post. "It works on my phone" is painfully unhelpful, and I went back to Windows after less than a week, so this wouldn't change anything.
I'm not gonna contact the support network of a company and beg them to support an OS with like 0.91% market share because I can't play my vidya. It should just work.
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>I'm not going to contact support for this product I PAID for. Instead, I'm going to complain that this thing I didn't pay for for not supporting 500000 chipsets out there
Nice plan, hope it works for you.
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It did. Installed Windows 10 LTSC, my network came up straight away, and I'm clearly using the Internet right now.
Product works when not on OS, so clearly OS fault. If that makes sense to your brain.
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explain to me why you expect an operating system to reverse engineer every chipset out there? only manufacturers know how they actually work, the way they work, and their firmware aren't open. Your wifi adapter works on windows because the manufacturer made sure it did
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So that it works for people? I don't care how much some random dude has to work, just make my fricking computer work.
Sit back and realise you are telling me to push through having no access to the Internet on a PC in 2023 - that's the level that Linux cultists have gotten to.
>Might give it a shot and dual-boot.
Dual-booting is broken for archinstall. You have to watch some pajeet tutorial video to make it work.
Of course it was too good to be true, that's surprising. Thanks for the warning 🙂
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is windows trash because hooking up a dualshock 3 won't just work? because that works on linux, same with ds4. Just because this discussion stems from a disagreeing doesn't mean you have to act moronic just to act contrarian, anon
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I actually didn't know that, as I used a 360 controller and recently got a Series controller. Never owned a Sony controller.
I assume that's more so because they directly compete with Sony in the gaming space, so they want the OS that 98% of people use to play games to only support their product.
Dodgy and scummy, but not a limitation of the OS itself, more of the business who sells it to you.
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>Dodgy and scummy, but not a limitation of the OS itself, more of the business who sells it to you.
that's the same with your usb adapter, plenty of adapters are supported upstream but the company that made it doesn't care to support linux just like sony doesn't care to support microsoft
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You're probably right, but I don't see how that changes the user experience. Whether it doesn't work because ASUS is lazy or because Linux is poorly made or because it's raining that day, all the outcomes are me having a gimped PC.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. If Linux works for you, that's great - enjoy it. But there were simply too many downsides for me to stick it out.
Maybe it'll be better in 5-10 years, or maybe I'll build a PC around it. Get adapters that I know work natively, an AMD GPU for better drivers, etc. we'll see.
>Also modded Skyrim is my bread and butter, yet there is no Wabbajack or Vortex/Nexus support. It is on the way (thank you Steam Deck) but a dealbreaker for now.
It works on my machine
Is this actually true? Or is this like when people saying Wabbajack is automated Skyrim modding, you just have to do 79 post-install steps that make it so that you may as well have done it manually to begin with.
Can you actually get a working Arch installing without doing anything outside or clicking next/yes?
mostly true
this is what it looks like, if you're not a moron and can navigate a CLI installer it's easy, you can just pick the defaults if you don't know what you're doing and you have a ready to use system
Seems simple enough. Might give it a shot and dual-boot.
But if I'm gonna have to use terminal instead of a GUI for literally anything then I'm uninstalling it. I'm not a programmer, I just want to use my computer.
>Might give it a shot and dual-boot. >Arch
Endeavour OS or Nobara.
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Just looked up Nobara, sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. No need to use the terminal, and comes packaged with everything that will save me from headaches and digging through forums.
Also love a simple GUI and an install so easy it can be shown in a webm.
I'll give it a go after work - thanks for the recommendation anon 🙂
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Make sure to pick the right install, it's been divided into AMD vs Nvidia versions. KDE on AMD or Nvidia are the most similar to windows GUI, not to mention working thumbnails and previews for your media files.
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ugly stupid wallpaper
dogshit game coomer Black person
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I agree sir, not enough poo, wery much ugly
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>not to mention working thumbnails and previews for your media files.
The fact that this simple, basic, built-in feature of every file explorer going back to fricking win95, is touted as like a "OMG ITS SO GOOD" reason to switch to linux, is exactly why i will never switch to linux.
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Only if you're a footgay. Noobs on linux seem to gravitate to gnome.
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>Also love a simple GUI and an install so easy it can be shown in a webm.
That's basically almost every distro nowadays
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Not vanilla Arch. Dumb idiots won't use something like Anaconda installer.
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As I said, almost.
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archinstall is the only "gui" you need
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Nah, Endeavour OS installer is all the GUI I need.
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>
Just looked up Nobara, sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. No need to use the terminal, and comes packaged with everything that will save me from headaches and digging through forums.
Also love a simple GUI and an install so easy it can be shown in a webm.
I'll give it a go after work - thanks for the recommendation anon 🙂
how does this compare to Garuda?
as far as "ez linux 4 gaymurs"
Windows 7 is now as old as windows 95 was when 7 first came out. Seriously move the frick on >but it just wer-
It literally fricking doesn't without a million patches, hacks and workarounds and there is ALWAYS a thread up with you morons crying about some shit not being supported anymore.
Learn Linux or bite the pillow and upgrade. Refusing to use anything but your 12 year old OS and demanding for the world to cater to you is schizo behaviour .
>stardew valley general thread >blue archive general thread >persona general thread >slay the princess general thread >silent hill general thread >AI homosexual general thread that's on half the boards on Ganker(nel) >etc
We fit right in.
Yes when XP died.
Vista? Everyone was celebrating when it died even though it forced most people to upgrade their hardware to run it leading to the glorious hey day of windows 7.
Funny that Steamies still defend this.
Valve could just make a "lite" version that's nothing but the storefront and your library, and let you deal with the game's issues on your own, but since they are homosexual Black person israelites they won't do it.
None of you ever owned your games, or ever will.
I hope so too, but you only need to look at the frequency and style of posting across numerous threads to realize these homosexuals aren't even browsing on desktop because they can't read unix timestamp filenames on random desktop images and think you're the original poster.
i dont understand why people dont want to switch to linux. especially win7 users.
nothing new to learn honestly. looks and function almost the same for the regular user, common programs have foss alternatives...
days of being in the console are long over, unless you really want to.
>nothing new to learn honestly.
I disagree, there's lots to learn e.g. you have to either re-wire your brain to learn new shortcuts, or edit the shortcuts into the windows equivalent.
>looks and function almost the same for the regular user
On the desktop with KDE maybe so. But the inner workings such as the file system is completely alien to a windows user. No appdata, no registry, no "My Computer" page. The very idea that "everything is a file" is not windows design philosophy.
>common programs have foss alternatives...
A lot of which aren't any better than the windows version, even older versions. Fortunately you can use wine to load foobar2k, irfanview and photoshop. But you can never get something like paint.net to work.
i agree, but im talking about a regular user (me not long ago).
never messed or even looked at the registry, appdata is for savegames, what is filesystem...
same for irfan, ps, paint... not something normies use.
steam + browser + libreoffice for some school project every few months.
You're not from around here, then, election tourist? Those programs I mentioned are the typical recommendations used across Ganker during its era even in 2008.
NTA, sadly use w10 for personal (will probably shift to linux when support for it dies) and shitty w11 for work but you hit the nail on the head. People forget you can change the look to XP relatively easily on 7 as well.
>you have to either re-wire your brain to learn new shortcuts, or edit the shortcuts into the windows equivalent.
Or you can stop being a special snowflake and use KDE or Cinnamon. >No appdata
Having everything in .local is simpler than having 3 different appdata folders hidden deep in My documents. Wine games have appdata. >no registry
And that's a good thing, also registry is advanced user territory, you need a CS degree to open a terminal on windows and run regedit. >The very idea that "everything is a file" is not windows design philosophy
"File" on windows is an abstraction over asking hard drive to fetch data bits from specific sectors. Having similar interface to other OS abstractions is a logical thing.
Come home.
I used Win11 for ~6 months on my main PC and it was literally just Win10 but worse and with a handful of useful features removed
This.
God I wish I could go back to Win10, the file explorer was so much better.
So just install 10 you fricking moron.
Too lazy to do another install with macrium reflect so I don't all lose my shit.
Plus I don't have another unoccupied drive available for it atm.
you don't need that your shit gets carried through as long as it wasn't in program files folder
I have been upset with 10 ever since I installed it, and I held out for a long time. never had problems with explorer and random restarts with 7.
get ready to be forced to upgrade again because the code to do the same to 10 is already in. You can even emulate it with a launch flag and a date change to the end of next year.
AMD GPU?
I'm on an old Windows 7 install that was upgraded to 10, cloned from an HDD to SSD, swapped from an Intel to AMD chipset, and upgraded to Windows 11. I've had the same install for a long while and have never had any issues with it.
>never had problems with explorer and random restarts with 7
You never had Win7 randomly restart on you because you were too young to remember.
Modern Win7 does not restart on updates because there are no updates for it being released.
When it was being actively updated, it had absolutely draconian forced restarts, that would lock you out of your PC with absolutely no way to postpone or cancel them, whether you like it or not.
You could disable updates, but that was also a system rigged with security holes - you could unironically get your entire PC locked out by a virus simply because you opened the "wrong" (read: "literally any") page on the internet. There was no
>just use your common sense bro
back in the day. You needed a dedicated antivirus and a firewall (usually came with the antivirus) because the built-in solutions Win7 had were useless at best and actively harmful at worst.
Windows 10 is a blessing of an OS in comparison. The only people who had issues with it were tech-illiterate kids who are happy to run the first random-ass script they find on the Internet but can't be assed to spend an hour to figure out how the tool they are using daily actually operates.
I had fewer issues (including every single driver failure which should be blamed on Nvidia and not on Windows) during my entire time using Windows 10 (starting from 2016 or so) than the last couple of years of using Windows 7 prior to that. And back then I didn't even OC my PC inducing hardware-level instabilities.
what did they frick up about file explorer
well for one it now partially runs on Javascript
wtf
sounds awful
but what did they frick up feature-wise
Buy directory opus. It's worth it
You shouldn’t have to buy a functional file management system, your OS should just come with one
There's this wild bug I spotted with 11, if you open control panel, then put your C:/ in the address bar, it will load the windows 10 style explorer.
Originally I knew about this in 10 and it just caused a UI issue with the border of the navigation pane.
I prefer Windows 11 just because when you connect something in the headphone input, it asks you if it's a headphone or a headset.
Windows 10 tries to guess, and does it wrong every once in a while.
W10 doesn't try shit, if the new device reports itself as being something audio the OS just DEFAULTS to it (ie PS4 controller, monitors with speakers/audio jacks)
>ie PS4 controller, monitors with speakers/audio jacks
Those things go into the USB/HDMI port (digital port), not in the audio jack (analog port).
Such as?
TWO CONTEXT MENUS
>but you can fix it in registry, look--
TWO
CONTEXT
MENUS
HAHAHAHAHA
what the frick
why
for what purpose
Please understand Sir the village can't feed itself without doing work.
pajeetsoft in action
>Win11
Why would you honestly, genuinely use it instead of 10?
You're going to have install W11 soon anyway, it saves you the trouble later. The real solution is installing Linux.
>The real solution is installing Linux.
>Wayland/Nvidia
Maybe in another 10 years.
nvidia is somewhat overblown at this point
sure, proprietary drivers suck and slow down development
but as long as you have a somewhat recent card and get the settings right, you'll have no issues
Wayland is trash, just stick with xorg for now
>troonyland
just use xorg
You said the same about the 8 but look how conveniently many people jumped over it.
>You're going to have install W11 soon anyway
Lol. Lmao even.
I already disabled TPM on my hardware so Win11 is out of the question. Also Win10 LTSC will expire in 2028 so I'm good for another 4 years. At which point I'll just install Linux.
By that logic you might as well wait on 11 since 12 is literally right around the corner and Microsoft is absolutely going to force it down everyone's throat like they did with 10 and 11.
Hell, by the time 10 is EOL, Microsoft might've made it obvious they don't want your business anymore with a locked-down and further molested Windows 12 that nobody sane wants to use at which point you might as migrate to the deep woods and live out the rest of your days in some shack without power or running water.
/v/gays are unironically too socially inept to ask to not have it pre-installed when they go out and buy their next PC that they can totally build themselves but are just too lazy to
For me, HDR just works and dual monitor support isn't a spastic mess.
They seemed to fix things I actually care about, even if some of the newer additions are annoying
Why would you use 10 instead of 7?
10 is going to become just like 7 in 2 years anon.
>Win10 LTSC support ends in 2028
I'm fine. I'll familiarize myself with linux until then.
Standard support is 2027 and extended is 2032, if you're on 21H2 LTSC. Windows 11 version of LTSC is coming in the 2nd half of 2024, and I could see that version being anywhere from 2037-2042 for its extended support.
Windows 12 is gonna be entirely AI, which besides even more spyware, will likely mean they'll use it to detect and delete pirated content, like Windows Defender already does at its default settings. So i'm glad I can avoid it until I'm in my late 30s. But then I'll likely live in a VR world and won't remember what Windows is, so I'm set for life in terms of OSes.
except that 10 is fricking shit
It's the same shit but prettier, with a more cohesive set of menus and uses powershell by default instead of that cmd garbage. Also it's more likely that microsoft will change over the years to fix whatever is wrong with it while w10 will be abandoned.
>inb4 "muh context menu"
you know how google and how to operate the registry, you aren't 12 anymore
>come to my crack den
keeek
I'm going full on other os when this shit finally dies. They kneecapped the entire steam ui just to make it a bloated piece of trash that is literally just a bunch of chrome webpages. No more skins or anything good. IT's all shit. wastes 3 gigs of ram just to fricking launch terria.
sure except why wont this go away? its been like this for 2 months now
How long till we get a cracked version of steam?
a crack-
what the frick would you do with a cracked version of steam?
Play the games that I own
Dude, the day you decided to buy a digital copy instead of a physical one is the day you threw away your ownership rights for convenience.
>Set relevant flags
>Notice disappears
you already have one, it's called SteamCMD. It will work looooooooooooooooooooooooooong after Steam stops working altogether for Windows 7
>Not using steam is a temporary solution. You wont be able to use anything anymore in the end.
Threadly reminder the notice doesn't actually change shit and Steam doesn't magically stop working when that timer runs out. It just means no more updates, and Steam's Vista client still works to this day.
Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year. So enjoy it while it lasts, 10gays. You'll be sneered at by the Microsoft wienersuckers all the same soon for not downgrading your OS like they did day 1.
>Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year.
No there isn't. Lots of relatively modern computers aren't even ABLE to install 11.
>SteamCMD
Beyond cringe.
>Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year. So enjoy it while it lasts, 10gays. You'll be sneered at by the Microsoft wienersuckers all the same soon for not downgrading your OS like they did day 1.
don't care, I downgraded to windows 11 already
>Also threadly reminder that there's a Windows 10 obsolete flag in Steam's launch flag list where they're going to do this exact shit to you at the end of this year
frickin lmao
>ready fellas, today we are going to drop support for 65% of our userbase
Goldberg exists, steamcmd exists, what else do you need?
>
>games that I own
*games that you rent
how is Goldberg?
I don't plan moving from Win8.1 because I don't want to lose all my programs installed and I'm used to it.
It doesn't work for every game if i recall but it's fine
Best anti-steam drm combination is using Goldberg Emulator , Steamless Stub DRM Remover and in tricky scenarios, just downloading cracks for proprietary drms on gamecopyworld.com
Being a pirate was never this easy before
Why would you want to crack an always online drm launcher?
the only feature worth anything that steam has is the workshop, but even that is crippled by steams terrible decisions. There used to be workarounds until they decided to be homosexuals and crack down on ways to avoid having to use steams terrible subscribe system, which is now severely limited to certain games.
There was Pac-Steam forever ago but I'm pretty sure they cracked down on that shit long ago as well.
i have older steam version(warhammer 3 don't want work with it and can't buy new games)
and current one that i put no update cfg on it
hopefully it will still let me play games on win7 in january
Wrong board
you can make this thread as many times as you want, it won't change the fact that you are pathetic and stupid.
can only make the thread for another 33 days and then you'll miss them
I'd rather you miss the bottom step
let it go
or don't 😉
wake-up call to complete my new build
I have no idea where to begin in today's part economy
Ganker literally have threads about this. Computer building general and stupid questions general
you should have begun a week ago with RAM and storage as they are piss cheap right now and black friday was going
I just decided I will update my 2014 build to it's max potential.
Speaking of which, I just went from 8 to 16GB memory. Can I use the old set of 2x4GB together with the new 2x8GB or will that cause issues? I'll probably buy another set of the same brand during a christmas sale.
always use matching RAM.
W10 isn't EOL until the end of 2025 and even then Chromium only seems to cut off support when ESU ends; W7 EOL'd in 2020 but ESU only ended Jan of this year.
>>W10 isn't EOL until the end of 2025 and even then Chromium only seems to cut off support when ESU ends; W7 EOL'd in 2020 but ESU only ended Jan of this year.
Time will pass faster than you think.
oh no, I might have to upgrade in 2-5 years. truly this is worse than 9/11
Or you could install 11 now an not care at all? There's no point installing an OS that already has an expiration date.
With that advice I might as well install Linux.
Do it
>always use matching RAM.
Alright, got it.
But what will happen if I don't?
as long as you're using both ram sticks in their set having two sets should still be fine, it just might be slower
>But what will happen if I don't?
Horrible system instability, assuming it boots at all. Do NOT mix ram. EVER. Especially not of different sizes.
Bad idea, got it.
>That's how you get some falling over clowns
But will the audience laugh all the same?
Now I'm doubting though, another set of the exact same ram is still fine, right? I always thought that wouldn't cause problems.
>Now I'm doubting though, another set of the exact same ram is still fine, right? I always thought that wouldn't cause problems.
'Should be fine'. 2 sticks are most reliable.
I saw some benchmarks where in certain scenarios AM4 could perform better with 4 sticks than 2.
Damn. Should've done my research. I'll send this one back and try to find a set of 32gb instead. Not sure what I was thinking anyway, probably wouldn't have saved me much money to begin with.
for what do you need 32gb ram on a 2014 build, even the newest games dont use 16
Nothing in particular, but considering it still pretty much plays everything I want, given some sacrifices, I figured instead of buying a new one I could squeeze as much out of this current PC as I could. Parts are cheaper and saves me having to buy a new Mobo.
Might get me to play some newer games too.
The "Two sets of the same ram" could have different timings.
When you get a 4 pack or a 2 pack (if the manufacturer is good) it's been tested as working together.
Imagine you have two sets of clown duos
They both have a very precise act planned specifically around just the two of them.
And now you decide they now have to work together
That's how you get some falling over clowns
>I'm seeing double here
>8 RAM lanes
XMP/EXPO/etc propably won't work at all. Different memory sticks should declock themselves to slowest one, but with all profiles now that are needed, it might even end up in some crashes.
Nothing. I have mismatching rams in terms of speed and capacity and they work fine. Although I just ordered some high speed ram because I really need the upgrade.
Matching RAM is a meme and impossible for the layman. Doubling up your sticks years later is asking for minor revisions. What you potentially give up is overclocking if your CPU/mobo/sticks can't handle them all together.
RAM question, is it worth filling up every slot? Would that provide any improvements?
Worth it in the long run. Don't be one of those guys who complain 5 years later that 8gb of ram isn't enough for web browsing on a gorillion tabs anymore.
no
these days the memory controllers in cpus aren't good enough to handle 4 dimms of fast ram consistently, in other words if you want to use something like 6000mt/s ddr5 ram or more then you're likely to run into problems like your pc not even being able to boot
you have 2 options:
1) get a job
2) don't use steam
Not using steam is a temporary solution. You wont be able to use anything anymore in the end.
why is he doing this?
steam is made with chromium and chromium stopped supporting windows 7
Chromium is also open source so why the frick can't they just modify it for an in-house version for Steam?
it's one of the largest and most complicated codebases in existence. valve can either
>hire or sponsor devs to keep it running on a dead operating system
>tell 1% of their player base they need to upgrade windows
it's obviously going to be the latter. chromium isn't something you spend a day looking at and then start submitting PRs
>an os developed when bush was president is no longer supported
it's over, pc gaming has fallen. billions must uninstall
She graduated like 3 years ago. It's time to let go.
>graduated
Vtumor homosexual please have a nice day
What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
If it's about old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11 or whatever.
If it's about privacy (lol, as if win7 is safe), then why haven't you switched to Linux instead?
The only people who are affected by this are autistic morons.
Worse, poorgays who can't afford to upgrade to support the OS
Microsoft was literally using malware tactics to trick people into "updating" for free because they know nobody fricking wants any windows after 7 since they have nothing to actually advertise those newer OS's with. The only new features are turning the consumer into the product.
47 million autists.
I imagine a lot of that number is made up of non-personal use, like computers in libraries or businesses where upgrading isn't really crucial (and as such steam dropping support wouldn't affect them).
>Businesses and libraries somehow intentionally dodge the forced upgrade but there being 47 million autists scared of moving on from their favorite thing is banal
1% of Steam users are still using W7. This is not 47 million people.
Sure seems your number is wrong then
I don't remember being forced to upgrade from Windows 7?
you mean the same businesses that get their asses blown wide open because they're sitting on CVEs that are years old?
Why would businesses and liberrys have steam on them?
I'm assuming the 47 million number that other anon came up with is referring to there being that many active Windows 7 machines globally, rather than that many steam users who still use Windows 7.
Not sure where anon is getting 47 million, but it's definitely not from Steam.
Valve doesn't publish official numbers but current estimates are around 130-150 million active users total, and the Windows 7 share is just barely above 1%. Even if you're being generous, there are at most 2 million W7 users left on Steam.
>18% of global PC game sales
STEAM IS A MONOPOLY!!!!!1
Yes that was my point. 132 million total users, 1.23% on Windows 7, comes up to 1.6 million Steam users still clinging onto 7.
Steam has over a billion accounts. Not everyone logs on every month.
>all linux users combined aren't even more than w7 users without counting all the ones that hit no on survey
wanna explain this?
I just upgraded from 7 to 10 (IoT LTSC) and it's actually pretty good. No search bar, no ads, no bloat, just got to get past the shitty cloud account stuff they try to force on you (set up a domain user instead) and it just werks.
Old games run better on Windows 7.
No reason to upgrade.
Unlike linux win7 actually works, in comparison with win10+ it isn't a spyware infested piece of shit that doesn't even let you access files on your own computer, modern shitblows is a literal NSA backdoor system, no doubt about it
You are a COMPLETE moron if you don't believe that windows as far back as 98 was an NSA backdoor system
>Glowie tries to access anon's computer
>W-What. Is this... WINDOWS 7?!
>AAAHHHH HELP ME Black folkOFTMAN
My god, he's untraceable.
1. You're an american so you already have 0 privacy because your laws allow you to get bummed by the government
2. Im sure the NSA has no backup plan for older OSes terrorists should just use W7 to communicate to each other how the frick would they crack that?
It's all backdoor'd at the cpu anyways. Your OS doesn't matter to the feds.
>Win10 and 11
Microsoft spyware
>Win7
Hacker spyware since any system vulnerability will no longer be fixed
bruh microsoft is still patching windows 7 even though they officially ended support
Yeah, because if they didn't, the last few people using it would fricking scream and cry and yell and cum
the point is that it's not vulnerable to hackers as you put it
...anon, I want you to think real hard about how exploits work.
How long do you think it takes Microsoft to discover, patch and update them?
Reminder the NSA fricked up and leaked their own exploits and tools bringing us wannacry/ghost/spectre ransomware shenanigans. And this was based on old exploits, imagine what they're holding back now for modern Microsoft.
This guy gets it
I was browsing Ganker on windows 7 that year when it hit, and while it didn't affect me, it made me think about what else the dumbasses in charge were hiding, so I refuse to use any modern windows operating system because it essentially trapped you in a fearmongering cybersecurity rat race. It became obvious that no one should stay on windows or any singular corporate backed OS.
I didn't consider dual booting to linux until 5 years later and it was only for modern titles I wanted to play. And while linux is corporate, it is backed by many corporations with the involvement of retail programmers who live off donations. Not one corporation dominates alone even if certain zaibatsus have their own spin-off flavors like Ubuntu.
tl;dr stick to 7 but consider linux, never use windows again
linux is pozzed and corrupt since ibm bought it
whatteveryt bought majority stake in fedora
i boot to xp to play dark reign 2 cuz it still dont work well on win7 or 10 even with dgvoodoo
>linux is pozzed and corrupt since ibm bought it
I don't think you know what linux even is at this point, anon. Fedora isn't all of linux (in fact is only a minority) and I highly discourage the use of that PoS distro nowadays, neither should you use their parent's redhat either.
>ibm
>buying a kernel
You don't know what you're talking about.
exploits get patched at the same time as windows 10 and 11, just look at what happened with the .webp 0-day a few months ago.
sure maybe windows 10+ has some nice features for morons like defender smart screen, but if you know how to set up a firewall and a secure browser, and know not to download executable files from freeramdownload.com, then you are not any more likely to get owned on windows 7 vs 10 or 11.
I don't understand how you can be this dense.
Windows 7 gets emergency security updates.
Which means that when Microsoft discovers something that can use your outdated OS to infect other people, THEN they patch it.
Your security isn't being kept up to date.
you made an unintentional concession that microsoft continues to patch actual threats while ignoring literal non issues. if you harden the operating system yourself and use common sense™ there is very little to worry about.
>literal non issues
"Man I sure am glad the doctor fixed my broken arm! What? The multiple lacerations covering my body? Oh those are just non-issues, don't mind them."
^ this is you
ok
People like you are what keeps my IT company alive. Thanks for that!
by all means, send hackerman my way and he can pwn me i promise i will smear shit across my shower wall that reads, "THANK YOU, HACKERMAN!"
then instead of simply reinstalling my os and flashing my bios, i will pay your shit company over asking price to fix my computer/network.
You are hilarious. No seriously, people like you are what makes this world fun.
>If it's about old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11 or whatever.
its not tho
I play plenty of old games and they work perfectly(or at last fine) on win7 when do not work well(or at all) on win11(or 10)
>why haven't you switched to Linux instead?
its not user friendly and i am to lazy to learn it
>What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
i know it, i like it and so far it just works, it work much better with older titles as well, its also is somewhat faster than win10(tested it)
>What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
Best desktop UI ever made, mainly.
99% of the time they're just poorgay 3rdies that wont just drop a week's pay into building a new high-end gaming PC that'll last them 10 years
the other 1% just make excuses for being lazy
>What possible reason does someone have to still be using Windows 7 in [current year]?
It being the latest and greatest windows. Everything after it has just been an excuse to infect windows with aids.
>old software support, then I'm positive whatever you're trying to run will run perfectly fine in Win11
you are a dumb Black person
you are the blackest moron gorilla Black person i have ever seen
time for Linux
>mfw EGSkings are safe
Timmy is always looking out for the consoomers
What is stopping you from using linux
the fact it has no gaems
troony os
actually i can't be bothered to learn new shit
Just played Heroes of Thicc fricking thighs on my GNU/Linux machine, now owned by M$, so I need people to buy windows 11 to pay for server maintenance.
Based. How's hots nowadays?
Idk, I stopped playing like 5-6 years ago and just redownloaded it today. Last I heard the game was put on a life support in around 2020, no new heroes or balance patches but the servers are running.
Then in the past couple of months there were 3 bugfix and balance patches, with one patch changing the difficulty rating of multiple heroes. At the same time dataminers found mentions of Steam synchronization in the last Hearthstone update. So people are speculating that the game can be launched on Steam or some of MS stores, and probably given another chance.
It's dead, why do you think all the pictures are people gooning to select screen models?
On EU it takes 2-20 seconds for ARAM and under a minute for QM to pop. Not great, but not terrible either.
my laziness
also why?
80% of my games and programs don't work.
The ones that did has stuttering whenever new chunks of the map loaded in.
No I will not buy an entirely new GPU to "test" it when 80% of other shit doesn't work either.
You mean "say again"; "repeat" is a fire order.
>DRM locks you out of all your games if you don't upgrade your operating system to one it supports because they coded their online store into it
>fanboys of this DRM just insult you if you don't comply
>it's completely okay when Valve does it
>savior of PC gaming according to them btw
>>DRM locks you out of all your games if you don't upgrade your operating system to one it supports because they coded their online store into it
>I just wanted to find a way to continue playing the most updated TF2 offline with bots without Steam. There must be an updated version of TF2 without Steam available to be playable offline somehow, but I don't know how or where to find it.
Just use SteamCMD. Look it up. It's steam on a command line, and lets you even keep the games up to date so you can keep playing with others online.
They can't get rid of it either because it's a tool for dedicated servers.
You can do that without a Steam account and do a non-Steam crack version later?
>They can't get rid of it either because it's a tool for dedicated servers.
Why does that mean they can't drop 7 support?
Valve is trying to push you into using a better operating system (linux) so yes they are based.
Steam isn't DRM
This isn't a steam problem though, it's a chromium problem, and besides nobody is obligated to keep supporting end of life systems
Somehow 7gays are even more moronic than XP gays were back in the day
Even Microsoft stopped supporting win7 years ago
Get 10 or stfu
I hardly play my steam games anymore abd just pirate stuff. I'll just play Guild Wars 1 for a year before I build a new PC with some pajeet OS and see what I missed out with modern gayming.
I just wanted to find a way to continue playing the most updated TF2 offline with bots without Steam. There must be an updated version of TF2 without Steam available to be playable offline somehow, but I don't know how or where to find it.
>steam doesn't support windows 98
the west really has fallen.....
Windows 11 just works for me and I manage Linux servers for work
>W7? No worries
>Heck, have a few more on the house
Come home
Going from steam to EGS is like going from the suburbs to a trailer park
STAY ON SEVEN SAY NO TO ELEVEN
WE'RE PC GAMERS NOT STEAM LAMERS
WE PAID A PREMIUM BUT NOT FOR CHROMIUM
WE'D RATHER BE ON TIM'S SIDE THAN WATCH SEVEN'S GENOCIDE
CEASE PATCHING NOW
CEASE PATCHING NOW
What's wrong with Linux? Proton exists.
The fact that you have to convince people to use it when everyone already knows it exists says enough
Nobody wants to use that garbage
All right then. Eat your goyslop.
you have never even tried it.
Even the easy to use distros are too complex for the average technologically illiterate normalgay.
Nothing, it just have a stigma of a user-unfriendly OS. Also zoomers who started with W10 are fine with it and 11 and don't see the reason to switch.
brand loyalty
Normies are beyond moronic, you have no idea.
Dumber than cats.
Normies are too dumb to use it. I don't care about playing games as soon as they come out, so Ubuntu and Proton has worked great for me. Nice to not have to deal with the windows bullshit
>Normies are too dumb to use it
That is true, but this thread isn't about normines that can barely use windows 10 of all fricking things, this thread is about the people who know how to use a real operating system, aka people with a brain. Obvelsy windwos 7 chads are no normines, its about that INSTALL GENTOO is the worst operating system of all time, id rather go back and use mavericks, before i'd ever Install a gentoo
Baby duck syndrome. If someone had only ever used Ubuntu and you forced them to use windows they'd hate it
Sure, but because I've been using windows for 30+ years, using linux now just feels wrong and I hate it.
What version of windows are you using now?
I personally haven't had windows at home for 5 years, but I really miss that feeling of having my first desktop with windows XP and excitedly waiting for Vista.
7 of course
>Proton
Why the frick would I want to use an emluater? No im not trolling, its by DEFINITION a emulator, its not native, so frick off.
>its by DEFINITION a emulator
It's by definition not an emulator but a compatibility/translation layer.
Those are two very different things. The former has a massive overhead because it has to effectively recreate the entire environment and then make it run the task at hand.
A translation layer takes commands of one system archetype and maps them to corresponding commands of another system archetype. When executed perfectly, it can have literally zero overhead.
it's a compatibility layer, you know what else uses compatibility layers? windows, you are using one whenever you run 32 bit software on 64 bit windows
Do I look like im using fricking 32 bit for everything in my life????
Yes.
>I don't play old games
ok, zoomer
You are a moron.
that's a 32bit game, moron, so you're using a compatibility layer
Define native. I could argue that anything not written in assembly is an emulator
Everything that is compiled, is compiled down to assembly.
Compiler is an emulator. If you're not writing in assembly it's not native
>Compiler is an emulator
No. That's fricking moronic. Stop.
You are not running code pre-compilation. You only run the code that is already compiled. Compiled code is assembly.
And proton isn't running directX calls, it's compiling them into vulkan
>it's compiling them into vulkan
no, it's translating. the game sends high level API directx commands through DXVK that vulkan also knows how to execute.
Im mostly referring to compiler optimizations, and how direct x speacks direactly to the hardware, with proton, its an extra step, there is no native talking with the software, it have to be "translated" in a sense. Yes, I know that proton "translates" rather then fully emulates, but to most people, its just that, an emulator. I'd wouldn't mind dual booting lenix, if there was native x86 and x64 surrpot for fucing windows based everything. I just dont understand this part, why not just make a "lenix" based operating system with code that is basically windows? I assume its something about copyright tords micoshit, but people like gaben can file a lawsuit, claim they have a monoply on tthe idea of a oprating system? It just sounds to convoluted, with too many work arounds, and WAY to much time, for something Justworks™ on a different system.
>and how direct x speacks direactly to the hardware, with proton, its an extra step
it really isn't. DXVK and things like that just implement the DirectX API. applications using it make native calls and those native calls do native things, just not the native things that windows would do.
>Im mostly referring to compiler optimizations
The vast majority of compiler optimization has to do with basic logic and efficiency, it has nothing to do with the OS. Then there comes optimization for processor-level logic, which also has literally nothing to do with the OS. The scope of compiler optimization that is OS-dependent is minuscule.
>how direct x speacks direactly to the hardware
If something "speaks directly to the hardware" it can "speak directly to the hardware". The OS is not involved. If the OS is involved, it means it doesn't "speak directly to hardware".
>its an extra step
That usually takes a few nanoseconds. Meanwhile, performance bottlenecks in real-time applications can be measured in milliseconds.
>I just dont understand this part, why not just make a "lenix" based operating system with code that is basically windows?
Because the Windows' source code is proprietary and has to be reverse-engineered to be replicated.
And yet proton performs better than "native" in a lot of case. Funny that.
Not compered to windows 7, cope harder.
lmao
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cyberpunk-2077-31-percent-faster-on-amd-in-linux-vs-windows-11#:~:text=Cyberpunk%20Phantom%20Liberty%20Runs%2031,to%20Windows%2011%20%7C%20Tom's%20Hardware
>random media player codecs needed in Japanese games stand in your path
Skyrim and fallout lewd mods as alot of them require .net libraries which is a pain to configure with MO2. I will get it working but some animations won't play at all so it easier to buy one pc for fetish games and the other my main Linux, but Win11 seems like dog vomit, so I'm staying on 10.
Linuxgays really are like the vegans of PC
Show us on this doll there these so-called linixgays touched you.
tick tock babyducks
>people forced to leave windows 7
>people who actually leave steam have almost nothing on their account, if not exclusively F2P games
>some will move to windows 10
>some will move to linux
You might not see it yet, but this is part of Valve's plan to put Linux on even ground with Windows, as the years have gone by slowly developers of both hardware and software have started to support Linux more.
People who don't the latest windows OS will be forced to move to Linux, with the increase of Linux users means developers have more incentive to develop for that kind of OS, steadily increasing support until it becomes a regular practice to make sure your product works for both.
Look at some of the most popular games of today, about half of them support Linux, even Minecraft supports Linux.
All Microsoft has to do is stop screwing over their userbase, but they won't, so this will never stop.
Eventually Windows 10 will be given the same treatment, and more will convert to Linux.
You complain now, but when the number of Linux users is too great for developers to ignore, you will thank Valve.
>Linux is still only 1% of users
2% soon bros!
Linux is actually 3% now.
>hahahaha frickin loonix is less than 2%!!!!
>windows 7 is less than 2%
bros?
>windows 7 is less than 2%
Gee i wonder why...
100% increase? damn, linux bros can't stop winning.
It's happening
The SteamDeck (and Valve's PCVR standards) will go down in history as the spark that ultimately caused Microsoft to be consumed by flames and burn down with the rest of the Military Industrial Complex.
>Valve's PCVR standards
I cannot wait for the Deckard.
>Valve's PCVR standards
While Index HMD was a great buy in 2019 and 2020, it's very overpriced now.
My biggest issue is the controllers though, they always break. Sometimes it's the touchpad, sometimes they just start boot looping out of nowhere.
I reckon the big issue is that they didn't make them resistant to moisture (in this case sweat), which is why they break a lot.
I wonder how common of a issue it is on other VR controllers like ones found on Oculus Rift CV1 where some controller sensor goes to shit and you can no longer easily point things or make certain hand motions.
>linux overall is less than linux english only
????
>Linux English
English language market share only
>Linux overall
Overall market share across all languages
..ah
very bizarre putting graphs on % when they have different 100%s
the problem is that valve is not really encouraging linux development since proton incentivizes devs to ignore linux completely and let the compatibility layer do it for them. this isn't making native linux more common.
standardizing a win32 clone on linux isn't a bad thing. Windows had DOS emulation support for a long time after DOS was shelved.
It's interesting that some devs choose to support proton, officially or not, instead of making linux ports.
>Playing online games
Make a good singleplayer game if you want me to stop.
Make a good online game if you want me to start
I don't, you do you.
What's funny to me is most distros are not great to run long term without updating. Debian and Ubuntu LTS come to mind, but they become pretty unusable outside the support window. And the support windows are much more rigid, they're not going to be extended.
Are people who are still using windows 7 doing so because they hate the new versions of windows, or because they hate change? If it's the latter they're in for a big shock when their distro of choice EoLs the version they have installed.
this
I use win7 because it just worked, linux in this case have nothing to offer for me, i don't want to frick around with it to make things work
Ubuntu just works, but mostly if you keep up to date.
>win 7 just works
>but only if you slipstream nvme driver because no driver
>no USB 3.0 support btw, better whip out your PS/2 keyboard
>Windows update is broken unless you install these two specific updates
>You better hope that your wifi dongle comes with a CD driver or no Internet for you.
It's not true
>>You better hope that your wifi dongle comes with a CD driver or no Internet for you.
i use Ethernet cable
>>You better hope that your wifi dongle comes with a CD driver or no Internet for you.
This happened to me. Dongle didn't work out of the box and I don't have a CD drive. Luckily I was dual booting with Ubuntu. I had to boot into Ubuntu, plug in the dongle (worked perfectly), download the driver, put it on a thumb drive and boot back to windows.
>using wifi when ethernet cables are faster
Werks for me.
talk about style
Reminder:
Despite making up less than 1% of the installbase, Windows 7 users account for over 99.9% of WannaCry infections
>third worlders are more vulnerable to security exploits
you don't say
>NSA finds about the exploit
>don't inform microsoft, instead use it to develop their own tools
>tools get stolen
>wannacry happens
How could this happen.
>government fricks something up/wastes money
>How could this happen.
truly an enigma
>wannacry
This isn't 2004 anymore grandpa this shit doesn't even exist
>windows vista isnt on that
Aerobros we won
I installed windows 11 and it's fine. I don't like my pinned programs being centered on the Taskbar but other than that it seems okay.
Right click, taskbar settings, taskbar behavior, align left
Literally just install Linux Mint
Proton makes every Windows-only game work nowadays.
>Durr
>INSTALL GENT00!
And this is why people hate lenix, its the most reddit operating system ever, and its user base are the most insufferable homosexuals in existence.
>I HATE WINDOWS OH MY GOD WHY IS STEAM FORCING ME TO UPGRADE I HATE IT IT'S CANCER PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME DO IT I HATE BILL GATES I HATE WINDOWS 10 I HATE THE ANTI-CHRIST
>how about you try linux?
>nah that's reddit troon shit
Unironically.
what year is this that people still use paint scrawl to censor screenshots like god damn cavemen
>GENT00
Black person, I clearly stated you should install Linux Mint, not Gentoo.
Please understand, gentoo is living rent-free in his head.
If you homosexuals play on toasters that require you to run win7 you might as well buy a steam deck
When is Steam going 64-bit? I thought they'd make the switch when Apple dropped 32-bit support and Valve had to program a native M1 version, but no, everything still lives in program files x86
there's no need unless it needs to address more than 4gb of RAM. moving it to 64bit would actually make it use more RAM since the pointer size doubles
As long as Google kept making 32-bit chromium, why should they?
>File explorer randomly focuses into view every now and then, seemingly randomly
>Clicking things in it, or in certain other places will freeze everything up for like 10 seconds
>Only started happening once I went to 11
Sure is cool how I have to choose between this or having 80% of my games not work
post a screenshot of your library being checked by protondb
>or having 80% of my games not work
or you know, creating steam.cfg next to steam.exe and typing in
BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable
or simply saying frick steam and cracking all of your games so they don't run through steam. unless they're multiplayer only or you care because of the multipler then it's better in every way.
>BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
>BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable
Will this still allow store usage? or will I have to use SteamCMD for that?
Won't. All you get is access to your library. Use a browser if you want to buy games.
can I still install/get updates? I got a great backlog
Yes.
>shut down steam
>install some games I pirated 15 years ago from tpb
i'm home
frick I need a pillow like that
Switched to Ubuntu a year ago, zero troubles.
Microsoft can get fricked.
Why do you homosexuals insist on using a deprecated operating system?
Good thing you cucks mindlessly supported steam and valve to the point they became a monopoly and can do shit like this with 0 consequence.
Haha fat man make good meme LOL GAYBEN
Why are you poor?
>doesn't use the new free windows 11
>what are you poor
Are you being intentionally stupid or was it unintentional? Genetics? Head injury? Brown?
Not the point.
The point is steam is doing something objectively bad for consumers but because the steam wiener is so far up the drones asses it's capable of speaking for them.
And steam has been doing more and more anti consumer stuff with 0 blowback.
>Didn't answer the question
No wonder you're this angry, being THAT poor must suck.
I'd be more inclined to believe you if they didn't spend the past 11 years getting linux ready for you.
>The point is steam is doing something objectively bad for consumers
running a 13-year-old unsupported operating system is objectively bad for consumers
Just install Linux.
Don't tell me you're suddenly a specifically an Adobe Artist and play all those games that already don't let Win 7 users play because their free rootkits don't work without Win 10
>monopoly
you keep using that word...
it is one
cope
seethe
dilate
idc
cya nerds
that's like saying i have a monopoly over your mother. she's free to frick someone else but doesn't want to
if she literally only wants to frick you that's a monopoly kek
no, it would be a monopoly if i tied her down in the basement
It's a 14 year old os, moron. That would be like using Windows 95 when Windows 7 came out.
It wouldn't be like that because 7 was an upgrade over 95 while 10 and 11 are both downgrades from 7.
>noo i will never move from 96
>noo i will never move from mx
>noo i will never move from xp
>noo i will never move from vista (said no one ever)
>noo i will never move from 7
>noo i will never move from 8 (said no one ever)
*you are here*
>noo i will never move from 10
You WILL install Win 11 and you will like it
8.1 was better than 10. Microsoft stealth-updated millions of PCs without asking the users' permission.
8.1 is still better performance wise, you can install it in any toaster and it will run butter smooth
>noo i will never move from xp
me t.b.h.
I had XP in 2013
Then win 7
Il switch to mint
If microBlack person didn't turn windows 10 into literal spyware I would've used it. it's that simple.
>windows 96
Check my 96
Come home, white man.
Black face looking ass
You talking to me?
Technically wouldn't it be possible to force your computer to still use old steam?
>Steam servers: "what version of steam are you?"
>Your PC: "I'm [OLD VERSION]"
>Steam Servers: "I'm sorry, but you will need to update to use Steam"
>Your PC: "I'm [CURRENT VERSION] (Spoofed packet)"
this will work until a breaking change in whatever message format they use for backend communication.
yeah, that's how it usually goes for live-service reverse engineering.
only the most autistic people (linuxgays) will have the know-how or drive to actually do this, so windowsgays are probably going to be out of luck.
>cryptographic signing blocks your path
Did you really think it would be that easy? It's not 2011 anymore
no encryption is infallible if usable information is meant to be unencrypted on the clientside. you would probably just have to examine the packets sent from a real windows 11 client to figure it out.
it's insanely autistic and time consuming though, so windows7gays should not expect anything to come out of it.
Spit with the wind, dude.
what does the pster say?
i dont speak бHOПHЯ
It's meant to be read in english, look for familiar outlines.
I mean, people have been warning about locking your games behind a completely separate 3rd party app for well over a decade and a half now.
That's why you either get GOG or pirate.
Or use Linux for Steam stuff.
>I am not responsable
>1 hour tutorial by a mexican
I'll just install linux thanks
>I am not responsable
I mean have you seen the people that comment on these videos, they are actual morons, I wouldn't want to help all of them either.
Even if the video doesn't show anything advance I'm sure they would frick it up
Il use ghost specter version of windows
thanks for the backdoor
Never had a problem in 5y.
Anyway it's a piracy offline machine so Who cares
it doesn't matter my pc cannot run something simple like akiba's trip so i will just wait until i can build a new one
I'm using 11 and it's fine. Have you considered that it's user error and you're all morons?
Wndows7gays are too moronic to adapt to minor changes and far too moronic to do anything to contest it. What a painful existence.
Literally spyware
The CIA have been tapping our phones for decades and companies have been selling your data since the inception of the Internet. If it makes you feel any better; you aren't interesting enough of a person for that to be a concern.
>beyond your control
Oh, do continue. Tell me about how you aren't intelligent enough to use Windows 10.
>you aren't interesting enough of a person for that to be a concern
That's what they said when governments required people to declare their religious beliefs on their id cards.
Unfortunately that mistake lead to a small genocide of 6 gorillion people.
i predict this post will receive a bunch of hilarious may may replies with many of them focused on the word "mistake" in particular
You sure about that?
Because I got a call from an op last year and they tried to jail me for no reason.
The used prime time TV and made up a story but it didn't stick.
I had to leave the country to escape the mess.
>you aren't interesting enough of a person for that to be a concern
Obviously not the case since they are interested in the data.
they want to get better at selling you shit, that's it. nobody's going to blackmail you or call your mom over all of the diaperfur porn you've been downloading
But that's not the only thing they do.
Il give you one example
When you finally get enough money to escape your financial class and move up a bit in life but then something unexpected happens and you slump back.
Yah that's scripted usually a driving violation out of nowhere that you didn't do.
Or they make you loose you job.
You see you get assigned a class at birth and they only let a certain percentage move up usually people that are easy to control of blackmail.
Ok try this get pulled over with lots of cash money in your car legal.
Than give it 2 weeks see how many institutions suddenly need money from you.
I don't want them selling me shit.
A Windows license is 100$+ normally, I shouldn't have to be treated as a product after paying such an amount.
just use linux and don't use steam at all then.
>things that are beyond your control are your error
Whatever helps you sleep at night
>beyond your control
moron
Win7 is non-free software that doesn't respect your freedom and you shouldn't be using it. You also shouldn't be using a Digital Restrictions Management launcher like Steam. Why not switch over to an OS that actually respects your freedoms and allows you to use it in any way you wish?
He's autistic. That trumps heritage.
Lets see your contributions to society goy.
>israelite wants free shit
Typical.
CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY GABEN
ME & THE OTHER 0.05% USERS OF WIN 7 DEMAND IT
Come home, white man.
>linux
>white man
Yes
>linux
>tranime
every time
>see girl
>immediatelly think of transexuals
really makes you think
Back to discord and twitch zoom zoom.
So why wont Valve just leave the support up there and let W7 users deal with any problems themselves?
Because cef was updated and no longer supports W7.
Because they won't deal with it themselves. They will pester at Steam and demand support. Safer to say you don't legally support it anymore.
It's entirely because they hired webdevs to do steam's ui update.
I have a computer with Windows 10, but this made me decide to buy my games exclusively through other vendors (GOG mostly) unless it is Steam exclusive.
I know that one day a Windows OS that is cloud only will release and Steam will inevitably force you to use it. I won't partake in sunk cost fallacy.
>I know that one day a Windows OS that is cloud only will release and Steam will inevitably force you to use it.
or you could use linux, which steam enthusiastically supports
I am not trusting enough to believe that they will forever support Linux. At best, I expect them to eventually only support a specific version of Linux, which will be ass cancer.
In general there is little sense in buying a game from a place that stands between you and the game at all times, where there are other places that don't.
>I am not trusting enough to believe that they will forever support Linux.
Linux is their long term strategy because they hate what Windows is becoming as much as anyone else. Steam Deck was a clever ploy to get a bunch of testers on the compatibility layer that they officially develop and support.
> At best, I expect them to eventually only support a specific version of Linux, which will be ass cancer.
Steam has a flatpak installer which is about as universal as it gets.
Not that I can really argue against GoG being DRM free, that is nice, but if you're worried about Windows cancer then you might as well get off it now because it's only going to get worse.
>Linux is their long term strategy because they hate what Windows is becoming as much as anyone else. Steam Deck was a clever ploy to get a bunch of testers on the compatibility layer that they officially develop and support.
headcanon
bro, here it is from the fat horse's mouth 10 years ago
https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-linux-and-open-source-are-the-future-of-gaming/
and the fat man has never lied once
>that's headcanon
>ok he said that but he might be lying
if you're going to keep shifting the goal posts, what's the point of discussing things? still, get the frick off windows if you're afraid of some new future version that will finally be too much AIDS for you. you could rip the band-aid off now and get familiar with it instead of repeating this thread 5-10 years from now
>hates what windows is becoming
>forces people to use the latest windows
"piracy is a service problem" < quote from the same man.
Sadly that was a quote he made when they were still in the process of becoming top dog. Now that they are top dog, that's out the window.
That's the thing though, you're not forced to use the latest windows. Gabe has put the option right in front of you.
Just get a Linux.
WIN7JEETS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Arch + KDE is the official home of Win7 refugees. Come home, white man.
>t. programming socks
But that's not Steam OS.
inb4 steam os is also arch, wrong, it's Valve's curated flavor of Arch that just works out of the box
Give me an OS where I don't have to configure anything and jump straight into a game on steam in 5 minutes flat
so what can i do in linux that i can't in windows, that completely trumps windows and at the same time is something extremely useful for the day to day of a non heavy tech literate person?
>so what can i do in linux that i can't in windows
Nothing, except everything is 10x more of a pain in the ass to do and you spend most of your time troubleshooting instead of getting anything useful done, just use windows 7 and reject modern Black persontech
>just use windows 7 and reject modern Black persontech
i hope you plan on airgapping that machine within the next few years, because steam isn't going to be the only thing that stops being updated
perhaps the better question is what do you think you need to do in windows that you cannot on linux? if all you do is browse the web and play vidya, then linux is probably fine for you.
windows peaked at vista.
>why is steam forcing me to upgrade!?
The operating systems are kind of old, and google is stopping compatibility. You could update to a modern OS.
>I hate windows 10 and windows 11!
That's fair. why not crack them?
>EWWW NO THAT'S FOR FAT NERDS
Okay, then you could use linux.
>EWWW NO troony OS
Okay, you could keep using windows 7, but that would mean you'd have to crack and pirate your games
>NOOO THAT'S THEFT YOU EVIL COMMUNIST!
Well, then I don't know what to tell you.
Any experience with steamcmd?
Keep the last Steam build before the one that literally ticks a box to not allow W7 usage. Block the program from trying to update. Enjoy all your games although you will not be able to buy new ones (possible, not confirmed) or use any multiplayer features. There are threads on the steam forums that list step by step what to do. I will never upgrade they can eat my shit, I will still dual boot xp+7. Worst case scenario I won't click on download but on open magnet link whoaaaa so hard!
steamCMD should allow online play so even thats fricking covered. btw do you have a link to the step by step guide?
sure https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237
Thanks for the link. The latest comment also noted that the EoS announcement has changed the wording of their notice too.
>As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, existing Steam Client installations on these operating systems will no longer receive updates of any kind including security updates. Steam Support will be unable to offer users technical support for issues related to the old operating systems, and Steam will be unable to guarantee continued functionality of Steam on the unsupported operating system versions.
so seems like it will work but curious about Multiplayer and the store will require the browser.
WE HAVE THE HIGH GROUND
can you carry over a win10 key from old hardware to new hardware assuming you're replacing it?
Depends on the type of the key.
If it's a Retail key, then it can be reactivated as many times as you want, provided the old system with this key is not online anymore.
If it's an OEM key then there are some variations but generally, you shouldn't bet on it being able to reactivate on different hardware. Sometimes it can but it depends on the subtype of the channel and the only way to check it for sure would be to attempt it.
You can run "slmgr /dlv" in the terminal to see what license are you using.
If you are running Home version OEM, you can purchase the upgrade from the MS Store - that'll switch the license to Retail. If they still sell upgrades, anyway. And it's expensive too.
>So you have your games
>You have your system
>But we can change things by force
>And that's a good thing
Pc cucks and console cucks are one and the same. You only own your videogames when you don't pay for them.
windows 7 is mid af only cringe incels still use windows 7
us stacie's all use windows 11 now because its so based and full of SOVL it literally mogs everything like a bbc
sisters vibin with 11 and incel cucks coping and seething with 7
if you dont want us to laugh at you then upgrade to the windows 11 experience rn because it legit fricks and has that big dick energy
Lame, rofl even. Imagine liking woman, especially when _cute girls_ exist.
Dam it, I forgot to sue the one with the watermark removed.
Imagine being less relevant than windows users
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/743F-2E0E-C9A5-C375
It. Just. Keeps. Happening.
>We expect the Steam client and games on these older operating systems to continue running for some time without updates after February 15th, 2024, but we are unable to guarantee continued functionality after that date.
This right here shows the client and your games will still work but they can't guarantee it won't break.
Don't care
Still using W7
Still up on linux
>an embedded version of Google Chrome
Why would you even do this. There's being self-sufficient, there's bringing middlemen in, and then there's this shit. That's just asking for trouble.
because for better or worse, the web has become the way to make cross-platform UI that's not total shit. if "embedded chrome" is a novel concept to you then you haven't been paying attention, because it's fricking everywhere.
yeah they should have asked all the talented developers on Ganker first
Steam used embedded Internet Explorer up until 2010
And now even Microsoft has given up on browsers and Edge is just a Chrome skin. How the turntables.
Being fair, a lot of that is because google goes out of way to break competiting web browsers
If only you knew how bad things really are.
>valve should just write their own webrowser from scratch
no, i'd rather they spend their time on more useful things
And what useful things does Valve do exactly?
Windows 7 was released in 2009. If you were running Windows 98 in 2009, people would be calling you a moron. Let it go, grandpa.
Windows 98 and Windows 7 are pretty different.
Windows 7 and 10 / 11 are barely different with the latter two being absolute downgrades besides native ISO mounting
This is a 2023 game and it ran just fine on my W7 machine.
I haven't found a game that doesn't work on 7 yet so I aint upgrading. I've heard W10 compatibility with pre-2010 games is pretty sucky so I'm sticking with its older brother for a bit more.
If push comes to shove, I'll just dual boot.
Steam should reimplement the launch version of their client. It was better.
Im not switching from win 7. If that means no longer using steam then so be it, they are just going to lose sales, not my problem
>block steam updates
Heh, nothing personal Gabe.
Also still using old Steam UI. Chromium can get fricked.
Based
can't buy games and can't play warhammer 3 tho(denuvo refuse to start even after code to validate it)
have current steam separate install to play it tho and its setup for no update too
>Opera
lol
what is wrong with it?
chinaware
elaborate
they were bought out by a chinese company years ago, the VPN they added following the company's sale is also shady at the very least
well fug
what is the bets browser then?
whatever fork of firefox that will keep supporting w7 i guess
thank for precise advice
mypal browser on XP works well enough, should run fine on 7 too
Well there's Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, Firefox and Chrome. And also Chrome.
i have firefox as main(i use it to read pdf)
If only Ganker stopped working for windows 7 homosexuals next year too.
>windows 7
>in 2023
Holy frick it's 14 year old lmao.
they're pedophiles
the frick dose steam use so much ram in W7?
Spoiler, it's using that much in every os since small mode is fake now.
I am sick of seeing Linuxgays. Such a loud bunch for being <1% of users (and no Steamed Dick doesn't count).
No, I will not switch to your shitty hobby / server OS. Until it's actually good and ready for normalgay use, shut the frick up.
lol there are more linux users on steam than w7 users
And I'm not one of those linux users, so it doesn't mean shit.
>steamed dick does not count
>I am sick of seeing Linuxgays.
Why would you care what OS people use? You're not a shill are you?
>No, I will not switch to your shitty hobby / server OS.
As long as the OS is available, I don't mind whether (You), or the general population for that matter, uses it or not.
>Until it's actually good and ready for normalgay use
It is good precisely because it's not ready for normalgays. Being able to craft your own system is the entire point for the advanced distributions. If you want a "normalgay" friendly linux, there are more than enough to pick from such as Ubuntu or Mint.
I tried the so-called "user friendly" Mint, but can't say it was a great time.
ASUS Wi-Fi dongle doesn't work because no drivers, so had to use my phone over USB tethering. Already an instant dealbreaker since I'm not gonna download and torrent over a data capped phone.
Bluetooth audio using my Sony XM5s was delayed by a few seconds and crackly when playing certain sounds, also a dealbreaker.
Then I tried to play Starfield (was new at the time, wasn't aware it was trash) and the game would black screen upon loading a save.
Issue was caused by the latest NVidia drivers, apparently, but when downgrading to the 2nd latest, it would run at like 10FPS (on a 4080!) so not playable either. 3rd dealbreaker.
Also modded Skyrim is my bread and butter, yet there is no Wabbajack or Vortex/Nexus support. It is on the way (thank you Steam Deck) but a dealbreaker for now.
So that was my experience. If that's the easiest and most friendly version, I shudder to think of using anything else. But if you have a recommendation that actually works, then I'm all-ears.
It's a shame because I'm a big supporter of what it represents, but at the end of the day, I just want my computer to work without hassle.
>Already an instant dealbreaker since I'm not gonna download and torrent over a data capped phone.
....why are you using your data to tether instead of connecting the phone to wifi. And brands don't matter for wifi adapters, what matters is the chipset which you can find with lsusb
If you use USB tethering, it automatically turns off Wi-Fi, leaving you on 4G/5G. Both Android and iOS do this, so I assume it's a technical limitation or something.
Also makes the phone really hot and rapes the battery health, even on my S23 with the latest chipset. So still not a viable option.
I'm just saying that a mainstream product (a lot of motherboards don't have built-in Wi-Fi, and Ethernet isn't convenient for most house layouts) from a mainstream company, just simply doesn't work. How is that acceptable? Why do people consider this OS ready for prime-time and claim it's simple to switch from Windows? Feels like I fell for a meme and wasted my time.
Why don't they bundle drivers in the OS? Windows gives you a slew of them that you'll likely never need, but that also ensures anything you plug in from any time period or part of the planet will just work. It's not like they're big files or anything, especially for 2023.
Buy a PCIe wifi expansion card and STFU.
1. Had one, it broke - never again.
2. Wouldn't solve any of my other problems.
This attitude is why Linux will never be above 2% on Steam, even with the Valve Switch existing.
>If you use USB tethering, it automatically turns off Wi-Fi, leaving you on 4G/5G. Both Android and iOS do this, so I assume it's a technical limitation or something.
I used to use my phone for WiFi tethering and never once used data.
Not sure what I did wrong then. Wi-Fi would automatically turn off and have the toggle greyed out, until I turned off tethering, then would instantly come back on.
Clearly isn't serving its purpose, then. I couldn't imagine people that use peripherals that are niche or no longer common.
Not all phones can do WiFi tethering.
>Asus WiFi dongle
>no drivers
?
https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1045215
https://github.com/morrownr/8814au
>Why don't they bundle drivers in the OS?
They do though.
>If you use USB tethering, it automatically turns off Wi-Fi, leaving you on 4G/5G. Both Android and iOS do this, so I assume it's a technical limitation or something.
no, it doesn't, you might be turning on wifi tethering and even then my phone can actually connect ot wifi and create a secondary network, other android phones I've tried don't touch wifi when you enable usb tethering either.
And it's down to hardware manufacturers to ake drivers for their products, not the OS, and plenty out there has drivers in kernel like the chink nobrand shit I have on my desktop right now. b***h at ASUS for not properly supporting their hardware.
Okay moving on from this point that was 1/4 of my post. "It works on my phone" is painfully unhelpful, and I went back to Windows after less than a week, so this wouldn't change anything.
I'm not gonna contact the support network of a company and beg them to support an OS with like 0.91% market share because I can't play my vidya. It should just work.
>I'm not going to contact support for this product I PAID for. Instead, I'm going to complain that this thing I didn't pay for for not supporting 500000 chipsets out there
Nice plan, hope it works for you.
It did. Installed Windows 10 LTSC, my network came up straight away, and I'm clearly using the Internet right now.
Product works when not on OS, so clearly OS fault. If that makes sense to your brain.
explain to me why you expect an operating system to reverse engineer every chipset out there? only manufacturers know how they actually work, the way they work, and their firmware aren't open. Your wifi adapter works on windows because the manufacturer made sure it did
So that it works for people? I don't care how much some random dude has to work, just make my fricking computer work.
Sit back and realise you are telling me to push through having no access to the Internet on a PC in 2023 - that's the level that Linux cultists have gotten to.
Of course it was too good to be true, that's surprising. Thanks for the warning 🙂
is windows trash because hooking up a dualshock 3 won't just work? because that works on linux, same with ds4. Just because this discussion stems from a disagreeing doesn't mean you have to act moronic just to act contrarian, anon
I actually didn't know that, as I used a 360 controller and recently got a Series controller. Never owned a Sony controller.
I assume that's more so because they directly compete with Sony in the gaming space, so they want the OS that 98% of people use to play games to only support their product.
Dodgy and scummy, but not a limitation of the OS itself, more of the business who sells it to you.
>Dodgy and scummy, but not a limitation of the OS itself, more of the business who sells it to you.
that's the same with your usb adapter, plenty of adapters are supported upstream but the company that made it doesn't care to support linux just like sony doesn't care to support microsoft
You're probably right, but I don't see how that changes the user experience. Whether it doesn't work because ASUS is lazy or because Linux is poorly made or because it's raining that day, all the outcomes are me having a gimped PC.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. If Linux works for you, that's great - enjoy it. But there were simply too many downsides for me to stick it out.
Maybe it'll be better in 5-10 years, or maybe I'll build a PC around it. Get adapters that I know work natively, an AMD GPU for better drivers, etc. we'll see.
>Also modded Skyrim is my bread and butter, yet there is no Wabbajack or Vortex/Nexus support. It is on the way (thank you Steam Deck) but a dealbreaker for now.
It works on my machine
https://github.com/rockerbacon/modorganizer2-linux-installer
>Skyrim
>Working
Arch is no longer a meme now that archinstall exists. It's even more idiot-proof than Linux Mint is supposed to be.
Is this actually true? Or is this like when people saying Wabbajack is automated Skyrim modding, you just have to do 79 post-install steps that make it so that you may as well have done it manually to begin with.
Can you actually get a working Arch installing without doing anything outside or clicking next/yes?
mostly true
this is what it looks like, if you're not a moron and can navigate a CLI installer it's easy, you can just pick the defaults if you don't know what you're doing and you have a ready to use system
Seems simple enough. Might give it a shot and dual-boot.
But if I'm gonna have to use terminal instead of a GUI for literally anything then I'm uninstalling it. I'm not a programmer, I just want to use my computer.
>Might give it a shot and dual-boot.
Dual-booting is broken for archinstall. You have to watch some pajeet tutorial video to make it work.
>Might give it a shot and dual-boot.
>Arch
Endeavour OS or Nobara.
Just looked up Nobara, sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. No need to use the terminal, and comes packaged with everything that will save me from headaches and digging through forums.
Also love a simple GUI and an install so easy it can be shown in a webm.
I'll give it a go after work - thanks for the recommendation anon 🙂
Make sure to pick the right install, it's been divided into AMD vs Nvidia versions. KDE on AMD or Nvidia are the most similar to windows GUI, not to mention working thumbnails and previews for your media files.
ugly stupid wallpaper
dogshit game coomer Black person
I agree sir, not enough poo, wery much ugly
>not to mention working thumbnails and previews for your media files.
The fact that this simple, basic, built-in feature of every file explorer going back to fricking win95, is touted as like a "OMG ITS SO GOOD" reason to switch to linux, is exactly why i will never switch to linux.
Only if you're a footgay. Noobs on linux seem to gravitate to gnome.
>Also love a simple GUI and an install so easy it can be shown in a webm.
That's basically almost every distro nowadays
Not vanilla Arch. Dumb idiots won't use something like Anaconda installer.
As I said, almost.
archinstall is the only "gui" you need
Nah, Endeavour OS installer is all the GUI I need.
>
how does this compare to Garuda?
as far as "ez linux 4 gaymurs"
>garuda
made by a pajeet, avoid
Windows 7 is now as old as windows 95 was when 7 first came out. Seriously move the frick on
>but it just wer-
It literally fricking doesn't without a million patches, hacks and workarounds and there is ALWAYS a thread up with you morons crying about some shit not being supported anymore.
well companies should start catering to my paranoia and fear of change then
This, there's always DOES X WORK ON WIN7 SIRS!?!?!? threads for every game on earth, just like XPiggers back in the day.
God forbid there is a video game thread.
Gabe wants you to use Linux, switch or get left behind with windows.
How exactly is this a problem again? Surely you don't monetarily contribute to the DRMgay industrial complex?
>i'm not frickin leavin
>IM NOT FRICKIN LEAVIN
Learn Linux or bite the pillow and upgrade. Refusing to use anything but your 12 year old OS and demanding for the world to cater to you is schizo behaviour .
Windows 7 has fallen. Millions must update.
https://files.catbox.moe/qa0kv5.ogg
Where's my new free computer, Gabe??
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Why didn’t he just private shot?
>buy game
>can't play it anymore because you don't want to buy a new pc or updgrade
I miss physical releases for PC
They just need more product (you) to test their garbage bing tools
Good thing I run Linux
So, SteamCMD and blocking updates are the only ways to get around this?
Yes.
I dual boot 7 and Nobara OS, I'm going to log into 7 next year and see if they crippled it even after doing pic related.
wtf is that shitty font?
The titlebar? Don't remember, some bitmap type font, I was messing around with fonts.
>that thread
Steam drones are always gaslighting and victim blaming. They're incredibly evil people.
It's the same even outside the forums. Smartphones were a mistake.
i don't really get it tho
why are they like that?
Didn't anyone teach you about mob and herd mentality? You see it all the time.
just tried win11
the moron with one drive shit is fricking infuriating
I use Linux for casual browsing bc its comfy but Windows for everything else
why are we having this thread? surely everything that could be discussed about this has been discussed?
it's funny to watch people complain about windows and then refuse to look at alternatives
>stardew valley general thread
>blue archive general thread
>persona general thread
>slay the princess general thread
>silent hill general thread
>AI homosexual general thread that's on half the boards on Ganker(nel)
>etc
We fit right in.
>Katawa Shoujo General #3983 (count dropped a couple of times)
sir ples u are not alredy using Windows 11 why?
Did these same threads happen when support was ended for XP and Vista
Yes when XP died.
Vista? Everyone was celebrating when it died even though it forced most people to upgrade their hardware to run it leading to the glorious hey day of windows 7.
A quick google says Steam dropped support for XP and Vista at the same time
Oh you're talking about Steam, I was thinking of Microsoft in general dropping support.
Steam dropped windows XP support in 2019, there wasn't a lot of people using it at that point.
>Protocol Ten will commence in 33 days
For me personally, I see freedom.
Funny that Steamies still defend this.
Valve could just make a "lite" version that's nothing but the storefront and your library, and let you deal with the game's issues on your own, but since they are homosexual Black person israelites they won't do it.
None of you ever owned your games, or ever will.
They defended steam not allowing refunds for 12 years. They live for steam and will defend it until their deaths.
It exists and it works on XP. It's called steamcmd.
There is a lite version you moron.
didnt you get the memo goy
I have yet to see any anon screaming for help on Ganker or Ganker that they got hacked on XP and windows 7. It's usually 10 I'm seeing problems in.
How can they post about it if the virus locked them out of their PC?
There's this thing called phones and laptops. 90% of posters on Ganker are on mobile.
>90% of posters on Ganker are on mobile
I hope to god you pulled that number out of your ass.
I hope so too, but you only need to look at the frequency and style of posting across numerous threads to realize these homosexuals aren't even browsing on desktop because they can't read unix timestamp filenames on random desktop images and think you're the original poster.
I laugh every time 10 or 11 has some 0 day or ridiculous issue like deleting people's files. Haven't had a single bit of malware in over a decade now.
i dont understand why people dont want to switch to linux. especially win7 users.
nothing new to learn honestly. looks and function almost the same for the regular user, common programs have foss alternatives...
days of being in the console are long over, unless you really want to.
Dual booter here.
>nothing new to learn honestly.
I disagree, there's lots to learn e.g. you have to either re-wire your brain to learn new shortcuts, or edit the shortcuts into the windows equivalent.
>looks and function almost the same for the regular user
On the desktop with KDE maybe so. But the inner workings such as the file system is completely alien to a windows user. No appdata, no registry, no "My Computer" page. The very idea that "everything is a file" is not windows design philosophy.
>common programs have foss alternatives...
A lot of which aren't any better than the windows version, even older versions. Fortunately you can use wine to load foobar2k, irfanview and photoshop. But you can never get something like paint.net to work.
i agree, but im talking about a regular user (me not long ago).
never messed or even looked at the registry, appdata is for savegames, what is filesystem...
same for irfan, ps, paint... not something normies use.
steam + browser + libreoffice for some school project every few months.
>never used 7
>wonders why 7 users don't want to move
You won't understand, you were never around for that era.
you have to know im an ultra boomer.
i've actually used win3.1.
xp is still my fav, didnt want to move on but eventually had to.
You're not from around here, then, election tourist? Those programs I mentioned are the typical recommendations used across Ganker during its era even in 2008.
7 is basically XP perfected.
NTA, sadly use w10 for personal (will probably shift to linux when support for it dies) and shitty w11 for work but you hit the nail on the head. People forget you can change the look to XP relatively easily on 7 as well.
>you have to either re-wire your brain to learn new shortcuts, or edit the shortcuts into the windows equivalent.
Or you can stop being a special snowflake and use KDE or Cinnamon.
>No appdata
Having everything in .local is simpler than having 3 different appdata folders hidden deep in My documents. Wine games have appdata.
>no registry
And that's a good thing, also registry is advanced user territory, you need a CS degree to open a terminal on windows and run regedit.
>The very idea that "everything is a file" is not windows design philosophy
"File" on windows is an abstraction over asking hard drive to fetch data bits from specific sectors. Having similar interface to other OS abstractions is a logical thing.