>Start game
>Do couple random quests
>Suddenly you are the chosen one hero friends with the heroes of azeroth and get tasked with saving the fricking kingdom
Who thought this was a good new player experience? its like telling someone to start a book from the final chapter, do new people really disconnect their brain and keep playing this garbage with 0 sense of its own story?
Honest to god, any new retail player from the can explain themselves how they cope with this shitty introduction to the world?
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they are simply a mazed
in 2004, everybody skipped the quest text and just collected apples and were happy. they didnt need cutscenes to tell them what the current story was. they banded together in the general chat and invaded the opposite faction, not becasue the cutscene told them to, but because it was fun. and then they added eachother to their friend lists
I think I'll go back to classic, its more chill and I have more fun there, not sure why the game devolved to that mess, at least if it had a coherent introduction to the world and had more freedom to experience events it would be cooler, but as it is retail is garbage for new players.
>in 2004, everybody skipped the quest text
no, we didn't. there were far fewer guard-rails telling you exactly where to go or marking it out on the minimap, so you had to actually read where you have to go, and what you have to kill.
>'10 bear paws? wait, is that from rabid bears or young rabid bears? better read the quest text.'
No one fricking did that, stop acting like the game back then was any different than it is now. Everyone just went to thottbot and looked up whatever they needed.
>everyone just looked up everything, it was the same!!
History revising homosexual. If you actually played back then, you'd remember the sheer volume of morons with pvp trinkets equipped in dungeons, leveling greens and no rotation even as far as UBRS and MC. One of my earliest WoW experiences was gathering a bunch of noobs leveled 10-30 to attempt to "raid stormwind". Two full raids without even so much as voice comms and not a single soul knew that a single level 60 guard was capable of wiping both raid groups. If people looked up everything like they do today, dungeons like scholomance would have been totally different experiences.
>One of my earliest WoW experiences was gathering a bunch of noobs leveled 10-30 to attempt to "raid stormwind". Two full raids without even so much as voice comms and not a single soul knew that a single level 60 guard was capable of wiping both raid groups
Sounds fun
>thottbot
sure as a last resort, but it's a lot quicker to just read the damn quest text. it also helped you become better at navigating. you had to actually know how to get from a to b, on foot, through fields of wandering monsters. the game plays itself nowadays.
Aye, I only ever needed thottbot for a couple of quests where the targets had a gigantic wander radius (there was one dragon in Burning Steppes I ran the loop for like five times, I swear) or had bad directions in the text itself.
No idea. I haven't touched the game since Legion. I came back after skipping WoD and made it through one zone before I got sick of Sylvanas and quit again.
The game shoved him into a grand quest for the heart of Kul Tiras at level 13 (after spending two whole levels just leveling up from dialogue around Stormwind and cutscenes). Day9 doesn't know shit about Kul Tiras. He understood the broad strokes of what was going on but Blizzard's writing is ass and he has no emotional connection to Jaina. Sticking him into a prison break where he spends an hour listening to npcs talk and not casting spells is completely boneheaded.
>The game shoved him into a grand quest for the heart of Kul Tiras at level 13
No, it didnt
Its called the Heart of Azeroth, and there is no grand quest, you simply kill a few mobs in one room and pick it up
>Day9 doesn't know shit about Kul Tiras
the only thing to know about Kul Tiras at that point is that its a major naval force, which is clearly explained. The next 40 levels spent around Kul Tiras is there to introduce it to you deeper, its not something to know from the start.
Like I said, day9 is moronic and so are you
The game story right now makes zero sense bro, the game makes you a random soldier at the beginning and when you reach your city you are a war hero when all you did was menial tasks for an hour then killed a dragon.
Every single new player online that actually tried to read the story always says the same stop pretending its not an issue.
>the game makes you a random soldier at the beginning and when you reach your city you are a war hero when all you did was menial tasks for an hour then killed a dragon.
stopping a necromancer and killing a dragon is heroic
>Every single new player online that actually tried to read the story always says the same
No, shitters and zoomers trying to follow moronic ecelebs say that to try to get their e-daddys love
By the way shitskin, you should know that all of vanilla was nonsensical without having played WC3. The entire horde relationship makes no sense if youre new and missed the founding of Durotar
>The entire horde relationship makes no sense if youre new and missed the founding of Durotar
You get a crash course narration at character creation that gives you the absolute basics (RIP Earl Boen) you need to get rolling. As an example, the intro for the Darkspear names Vol'jin and outlines how the orcs saved the Darkspear from extinction at the hands of a swarm of murlocs, then it tells you to go out and earn some glory for your people.
That's pretty much all you need to hit the ground running as a newbie. You can figure out the deeper parts of the story as you go and the early zones usually did a pretty good job of contextualizing stuff through quest text.
>You get a crash course narration at character creation that gives you the absolute basics (RIP Earl Boen) you need to get rolling
so exactly what you get given in Exiles Reach and BFA
>damage controlling the forced bfa leveling
>>Day9 doesn't know shit about Kul Tiras
Literally 90% of wow players didnt know shit about kul tiras either
So acting like a moronic boomer because "OH WOW A CUTSCNENE, IM SO CONFUSED" is just cringe
It's really funny how you missed out on something special so you cope by pretending everyone is the same as you.
It was quicker to read quest text than do thotbot alot of the time because back then alt tabbing was a chore and couls potentially crash you, and keeping a browser open brought you from 20 fps to 10
It's one thing to defend cutscenes, but are you honestly agaisnt exploration too?
You have player freedom to do anything you want in between Org and Xroads. Maybe you'll decide to wander off the road earlier and notice a quest giver most miss asking you to search the rivers. If you follow along the road further you might notice a bunch of roots sprouting from a mountain which are home to quillboars, a quest objective for you once you reach camp. If you're talking about the one big delivery quest to run to TB from Xroads, that gives the player incentive to reach a major city that they'd very much want to know about.
Meant for
>exploration
You can do this in any version of the game you coping troony. You can simply walk away from the quest givers and unlike in classic you won't get run down by skull mobs for stepping into a new zone
Objectively classic has you running around not fighting way more often, it's a shallow walking simulator.
>You can simply walk away from the quest givers and unlike in classic you won't get run down by skull mobs for stepping into a new zone
Wasn't aware of this but did dragonflight make all mobs scale with your level? If so, boy that sounds trash. What's the point of exploration without danger. If you walk into a dragon's cave as a low level shitter in grey vendor gear you really shouldn't be rewarded with a dragon fight that scales to your lv 10 noob ass. You should get mauled if you can't run away in time.
It's a difference in encounter philosophy. An old school DM will let the party wander into a deep cave at level 2 and get turned to ash by a level 20 red dragon. A modern DM will block off the cave or put a bear in there because he knows his players don't enjoy dying so he tailors it after their level and skill.
i've been dming for 20ish years and i do the latter far more often. because the former is a wasted evening
You have shit taste are part of why games are getting worse and worse, I’m glad WoW is dying if it’s catering to people like you lmao
>I’m glad WoW is dying if it’s catering to people like you lmao
WoW hasn't been catering to me in a decade. I can't even tell what your opinion is since you lumped me with an anon who holds the complete opposite opinion to my own, probably because modern gaymers (you) are readlets even on this site.
Alt tabbing wasn’t easy back then. It was definitely easier to read the quest or ask in general
2004 wow questing was shopping list low droprate world trotting adventure to kill monsters kino. You HAD to read the quests or else you'd be killing the same centaur at the entrance of their lair for 90 years.
Poser wannabe.
The story of Warcraft was better told through the RTS, where you are just an observer of cool stuff happening to important people. I think SC did it best, where you played as Magistrate, Cerebrate, or Executor. Fire Emblem is too cringe, with it's constant insistence of providing weebs with a self-insert. Which is basically what WoW does.
There's a reason the game is pretty much dead anon, and what you posted is a big part of it.
Nevermind WoW and MMOs - why does this have to be the core plot of every RPG? It's almost ALWAYS a chosen one plot. More games need to give you the elder scrolls option of just being a nobody prisoner and having no obligation to do the main story at all.
That's only really true pre-Oblivion. It's pretty hard to ignore the main quest in Skyrim and Oblivion (although you can make the argument that the player isn't strictly the chosen one in Oblivion). Fallout 3 and 4 suffer from the same problem and, surprise, the issue was solved in NV who was written by a different team. Starfield smacks you with the main quest bat from the word go.
I wish they'd go back to the Morrowind style of questing but I'm not sure how you'd actually get them to pull their heads out of their ass and do it.
Day9 actually tried retail for the first time like last week and he nearly had a meltdown over how on-rails and confusing the whole thing is, lmao. He liked it once he hit level 13 and he was actually allowed to fight stuff again, but for a long time he was just following NPCs around and listening to them talk. The game doesn't even trust you to follow the quest tracker to the mount vendor on your own. It's really bizarre.
Ehh I gave up at level 20 in BfA I'm the kind of dude that actually reads a bit of the main story of MMOs but the story feels bad directionless to the point I stopped reading and my interest started to plummet.
At least in classic there is no pretense, I just go around killing shit and leveling up.
Question, is the dragonflight introduction better? I might play then because dragon riding looks fun.
>day9 is moronic
shocking
>Day9 actually tried retail for the first time like last week and he nearly had a meltdown over how on-rails and confusing the whole thing is, lmao.
> but for a long time he was just following NPCs around and listening to them talk.
>He liked it once he hit level 13 and he was actually allowed to fight stuff again
Long time? Like 20 minutes? it's just the introduction of bfa, like how fricking moronic do you have to be to literaly have a meltdown over this shit? It's not 1/2 hours of cutscnenes, just a 3 minutes cutscenes and 12 minutes of questing, following an npc.
I swear, the Black folk hating retail have to be the most moronic people ever.
>I swear, the Black folk hating retail have to be the most moronic people ever.
Can't really be called a hater if you've never played the game before. If an mmo fails at giving the player an interesting introductory experience until they're level 12, when previously it did not (vanilla->wotlk), that's a pretty big problem.
>when previously it did not
youre fricking moronic lmao
picking up candles and doing talk quests is not interesting. vanilla is braindead as frick and made for braindead boomers
>picking up candles and doing talk quests is not interesting
>I too prefer walking simulator gameplay instead of uhhh killing kobolds for candles because unlike vanilla boomers who press 1-2 buttons I prefer to press none at all!
>I too prefer walking simulator gameplay
you dont get to complain about walking simulators while classic has you run up and down the barrens delivering shit
Just the trip from Org to the crossroads without the flightpoint is a longer walk than any scenario in BFA
i saw that video and most of his complaints seem exaggerated or played up for views
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>falls into water
>instead of looking for a way up he just bonks his head into the dock and flails around
also most stories keep things from you and drip feed it as you go along, that's not unique to WoW at all
but yeah the newbie experience is bizarre and not tailor-made like it should be, but that's what 20 years gets you i guess
>but yeah the newbie experience is bizarre and not tailor-made like it should be
I'm not even sure what they should do. There's so many characters that have backstories going all the way back to Warcraft 1/2/3 that are still actively present in the main campaign. How do you fill someone in on their history and relevancy to the plot? How do you explain that orcs come from a different planet, and explain the legion, but also fill the player in on the Old Gods and the Titans, and you also need to explain the Dragon Aspects. Are they going to to fill you in that Alextrasa once got used as a breeding sow?
It's fricked.
Honestly? They'd have to make a separate tutorial/newb world, like Exile's Reach but on steroids. Like 1-30 is a separate phase or even landmass that teaches you or even shows you snippets of Warcraft history while also bringing you up to speed on WoW. But that would separate the new players from the veterans and also cost a lot of time and money to make. I think Blizzard knows that they're barely getting new players but since they have devoted whales paying billions of dollars every year for cash shop items they don't care enough to do anything about it. WoW has a massive casual playerbase but they still persist with the raid or die mindset.
>i saw that video and most of his complaints seem exaggerated or played up for views
appealing to low IQ south americans is the only way he can try to cling to relevancy
shut the frick up and have a nice day homosexual. Day9 is a treasure to gaming
He does play himself up for laughs but his criticisms about the new player start aren't that it dripfeeds him story, it's that he wants to shoot frost daggers at people and he has to follow around NPCs for an hour instead. Vanilla WoW drip feeds you stuff by gating new stuff through levels and trainers, which you get around by playing the game. Modern WoW gates you by telling you to slow down and listen to the play unfold, which is boring and hard to care about when you don't know who the frick anyone is.
>I don't know who anyone is
Then listen to the story moron.
>Then listen to the story moron.
The story doesn't tell you who any of these characters are, or why you're suddenly talking to kings of various kingdoms as a moron who just got off the moron island ten minutes ago.
>it's that he wants to shoot frost daggers at people and he has to follow around NPCs for an hour instead.
Yeah because they're explaining who they are and what's going on in the story right now.
>Modern WoW gates you by telling you to slow down and listen to the play unfold, which is boring and hard to care about when you don't know who the frick anyone is.
Which is why they're slowing you down and explaining it.
I prefer the vanilla way of just having cardboard cutout people giving you quests and spells and letting you go pretty much wherever you want but I also get why they changed it. There's so much story and so many characters they pretty much have to force you into it, or just drop it entirely but the writers' egos won't allow that.
To quote some random guy
>If Blizz pays attention to the story, people complain it's too much RP. If they don't pay attention at all, people complain they don't know why they're doing what they're doing.
>Modern media has fried your brain if that's the case. The characters literally stand in a field and shout "They're making weapons out of the planet's blood?! That's not good! Hero, you have to stop them!" if you can't figure out what's going on after that, nobody can help you.
>>If Blizz pays attention to the story, people complain it's too much RP. If they don't pay attention at all, people complain they don't know why they're doing what they're doing.
In the story-focused RP, you're not really doing RP since you're railroaded into a story anyway
In the second scenario, it doesn't matter because players wanted to make their own story to begin with, so it's easier to RP with it
>'you are the only one who can save the world!'
>meanwhile you're surrounded by dudes 50 levels above you
this is why MMOs are a joke
I want to set up one of those single player wow programs that lets me play by myself
Is it worth it?
Was thinking of doing the same thing. Yea probably worth it if you actually want to scratch the nostalgia itch and not be bombarded with metagays and non-classic cash shop advertisements.
https://streamable.com/nnhrig
This sums it up pretty well.
Seeing a lot of people waking up to how garbage the game is for a new player recently, hopefully Blizzard wakes up and invest into making an actual introduction to their game in the future.
Or better yet, they just fire all the writters and remake the game from the ground up, nobody wants to play with almost two decades of shit people will never experience.
>hopefully Blizzard wakes up and invest into making an actual introduction to their game
they did moron
>nobody wants to play with almost two decades of shit people will never experience.
so rather stuff that you probably wont experience, you make a new game with less content and all the old stuff youll definitely never experience? Youre moronic
Why are you so angry child, does your dad work at blizzard?
why are you moronic? Did your mom drink while pregnant?
Yeah probably lol, hope you get over being angry for no reason soon.
>They did moron
if you think exile's reach to BfA is an actual introduction to the game and not just a cope out for them to spend as little money as possible then you are moronic.
It's like its trying to be a story heavy MMO but is too afraid to walk new players trough the whole story unlike XIV so instead they bullshit their way into making you play from the middle of the story.
This issue has been solved so long ago I still can't understand the disconnect with the shitty writters, there are a shit ton of RPGs out there you can start from the lastest entry and still understand everything because the game eases you into it, even games with bast amount of lore like Baldur's Gate 3 you can understand shit ton of the lore just by playing it.
Or they could just go back to the classic formula and stop pretending to have an interesting main plot.
>not just a cope out for them to spend as little money as possible
they would have just left the old starting zones and spend 0 dollars
>but is too afraid to walk new players trough the whole story unlike XIV
because the MSQ is dogshit and makes players quit
>even games with bast amount of lore like Baldur's Gate 3 you can understand shit ton of the lore
Literally everything about Withers and the Dead 3 makes no sense if you dont already know the setting/previous games
Never mind that the story itself doesnt make sense because of how badly the Emperor was butchered by last minute rewrites
You're not wrong.
>New player gets thrown onto some random island
>After that they're thrown into the BFA zones without any clue of what is happening
Now compared to vanilla/classic
>Talk to some NPC
>Immediately get to kill wolves
>World slowly opens up without being moronic about it
that's the consequence of ripping capeshit writing without understanding the basis of its sole strengths
MMOs should only have one more gay for the war machine type writing
>"go get me 10 boar hides"
>"they're east of here"
>go east
>frickin nothin
>look all around east
>not a single boar
>ask in zone chat
>"got all my boar hides from ur mom lol xdxd"
>frick this
>google/yahoo quest
>scroll through 2000 moron comments on fotm fan help sites and forums
>"the boars aren't actually east, they're way north, only 3 spawn at a time, with a 20% drop rate"
>go find another quest
THAT'S how we read the quests in 2004.
Any moron that tries to make sense of WoW's writing gets what they deserve.
kino
Leveled through Classic, BC, and WoTLK using zero add-ons and skimming the text. Your scenario happened like 3 times to me in hundreds of hours
oh, cool, you're too moronic to know how to use addons AND your experience is irrelevant due to it being outside the time frame being discussed
good job, moron
tbh I've always found General chat pretty helpful if I have questions. At least back in the day.
>I've always found General chat pretty helpful if I have questions
definitely more helpful that post-dungeon finder/crossrealm bullshit, but still a crapshoot, especially early on
maybe they should start in shadowlands for a more up to date experience?
You saw that Day9 troglodyte shit of trying retail that's artificially going viral on youtube too, huh.
I'm glad you came to shitpost to your mongolian basket weaving friends about it.
>its like telling someone to start a book from the final chapter
You are starting the book from the final chapter. If you for some reason started playing after Shadowlands, you've missed 20+ years of lore, and shouldn't even bother trying to understand what is happening, since a lot of it has been retroactively ruined. WoW lore nosedived in quality after Wrath, and then again after Legion.
>WoW lore nosedived in quality after Wrath
TBC lore was literally nonsensical
stop trying so desperately to fit in and form your own opinions
>and then again after Legion
WoD&Legion were also completely nonsensical and wrapped in so much plot armor its not even funny
I started an old level 10 character in retail wow the other day. It started me in front of chromie and I can just choose any expansion I want to level in and come back at any time to change to a diff one.
Obviously the plot can’t make sense as I could swap expansions every level if I wanted.
It’s still the right way to design the game though, it uses their entire database of existing wow content and I have freedom to do whatever I want.
I read books or watch movies for story, I play wow to level up gear and explore the world. I never read any text and skip every cutscene. If you aren’t just making up your own story in your head you are low iq
>Obviously the plot can’t make sense as I could swap expansions every level if I wanted.
youre literally time traveling so this makes perfect sense
Still doesn’t, changing an old timeline would impact the expansions after it. The whole travel back in time and kill your grandfather paradox thing.
but you arent changing the timeline, youre doing the same things that happened before
You're ignoring the part where the first character a player makes is railroaded into BFA with no obvious escape
It gives you a choice, your usual starting zone or that bfa island.
Wow isn't a game for the first like 60 hours and you're 7 expansions in
One of the worst MMOs I've ever played
Still mad I got tricked by my buddy
He kept telling me "it gets better later, it gets better later" then we hit max level for the expacs I bought and he said it gets better in the next expansion. He actually expected me to buy an expansion on an mmo before a single shred of fun
>then we hit max level for the expacs I bought
nice larp gay, except they dont sell anything but the current expac
babe. the wave
God can you imagine if a book in a series had to reestablish the characters, plot, and setting every single book for the last 20 years?
They removed the most important parts of the plots of MoP and WoD (legendary questlines) and had the inciting incident of BFA's plot with massive lore ramifications as a one-month limited time event. And they're basically ignoring most of what happened in Shadowlands because of how bad it was. And even before all of that, going all the way back to TBC, the zone questlines would all build up to raids that most players would never see either because they didn't have a good guild or because they missed the four month window where it was current content.
I really don't think Blizz gives a shit about the story.
>click on a game icon on desktop
>suddenly the game turns on.
Who thought this was a good idea?
I've said it before I'll say it again. WoW should start you off at the current expansion. There is absolutely no reason on this planet to force people to play through previous expansions.
They even recognised this issue with professions by making expansion specific levelling for professions. Why the FRICK isn't levelling the same?
>ITT zoomers cope that they missed everything special and good in life
Wow was fricking casual trash, but the quests were fun with friends anyway and we had to figure them out
Running through the places that you experienced in WC1/2/3 with your friends without guides was an amazing and unique experience, as was meeting your first group of horde/alliance players and going at it.
homosexuals and trannies were abhorred even by normalgays. We enjoyed beautiful breasts and tummies instead of giant baboon asses and lip filler.
It was a better time and you missed it.
the quests were all shallow garbage just like your childhood was shallow consumerism
cope
You will never be human, you are a consumerist pig golem
seethe
No one actually remembers that very few of the quests in classic gave you any background lore or history of the zone, and were mostly just "Hey our camp is being attacked by "X", go kill it and bring back our stuff"
Sometimes you'd find an interesting questline like the Scythe of Elune's questline (that ends, unresolved) or just about anything to do with the titans (which all end, unresolved) or the Maraudon stuff etc, but most of it was utter bung.
I know this because to finish up my wow classic I went back and did my loremaster which I never managed to finish back in the day,
and while doing that sucked up all the lore and story out of them and there was frankly frick all.
those disrespectful nipples
>Brittany Spears performed at the kids choice award exposing her tummy, wearing a tight shirt, breasts bouncing, and nipples sticking out.
They'd never allow that in this day and age, especially in front of children, then again, we had that freaky Miley Cyrus show years back and that was on national TV in front of millions.
they should make levelling / the campaign completely optional. power should be tied to your account. i should be able to play any class i want whenever i want and my power carries over.
You're not going to believe this.
They aren't doing what I asked. They didn't go far enough.
The only reason WoW is even popular is the game in 2004 was literally on another dimension compared to the other slop out there when it came to netcode and movement/physics. Everything else about WoW is shit but the netcode to this day its still unfathomably good like it was a work of black magic. Whatever autist designed the netcode on that game is the reason for the games long lasting success. I really am sick of hearing about Blizzard though we need another game to advance the genre. Ashes of Creation looks like the only good MMO coming out
>Ashes of Creation looks like the only good MMO coming out
>Good
>Coming out
Hahaha yeah nah
>its like telling someone to start a book from the final chapter
It's pretty easy to do when no one is reading the book.
WoW isn't designed for nerds like you who actually care about history, characters, and lore.
if XIV does it why can't they?
Wow has always been shit.