Why do these things keep failing?
What makes the deck so much better than these? I thought PC owners were all about high fps high resolution graphics but with these devices it shows the complete opposite since the deck is still the top selling out of them.
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IIRC most of these deck clones ship with Windows and they suck with AMD APUs. Deck works because its Linux out of the box which has kernel support for AMD.
4 back buttons
2 trackpads
Amd most importantly game mode. Steam game mode is made for games, windows doesn't have anything like that.
>Why do these things keep failing?
>What makes the deck so much better than these?
This
Also the price of the Deck is currently one the best of those the current handhelds for what it is offering.
>Can't you install Linux on the other devices though? Or are they locked down?
ChimeraOS is slowly trying to support these handhelds, seems to work good with the ROG Ally.
>What makes the deck so much better than these?
no windows spyware
Can't you install Linux on the other devices though? Or are they locked down?
Ofc you can install Linux. But its up to you the end-user to configure it properly. Most people are moronic at using Linux. Valve did all the hard work for you, all you do is install Steam OS and you got the correct drivers for your Steam Deck APU.
Oh so the Steam Deck doesn't translate well over to other devices. Gotcha. It's a software monopoly thing.
No, it's not a software monopoly thing, it's a "end users at large don't want to configure their systems" the same way the majority of windows users didn't install windows themselves, it just came with their computers.
>It's a software monopoly thing.
>linux
Wut?
He's talking about the Steam Deck os. It's Linux but custom made for the deck. The track pads the back buttons the resolution the frame rate.
Install it on a Rog Ally and it will shit itself. Because steam has a monopoly on the software and won't make it work on the other devices despite saying they want competition.
It's pretty simple really
If 'steam deck' = true
Run well
If 'steam deck'= false
Run badly
>If 'steam deck' = true
>Run well
>If 'steam deck'= false
>Run badly
its not to that extreme.
its like what
said, it's a "end users at large don't want to configure their systems". if asus cared to make a custom fork of steam OS they can but they don't bother. they think windows is fine because they have buttloads of oem keys from their desktop/laptop side unlike chink handhelds.
Nah. I doubt it's like that. They created custom firmware on their devices already. They've shown they can do it. It's just that Steam Deck is isn't compatible and it should be. The device manufacturer shouldn't have to do it.
it's not valve job to support other devices on linux. thats the whole point of linux. you're on your own but its free as in open source. besides its dumb to do what you suggest because Rog Ally runs on rdna3, Steam Deck is rdna2. if you install rdna2 drivers on rdna3 you get a bricked state. valve shouldnt care about this.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. You want valve to use their time and money to increase the value of competitors by providing support to other devices in their modified arch distro? If that's the case I'll just have to call you a moron. Software compatibility is the vendor's responsibility, and there's nothing stopping Asus from making their own distro and supporting the ally with it
The only software valve has a "monopoly" on is steam itself. The drivers are open source, archlinux itself is open source. And, regardless, asus isn't a smaller company than steam, and they have vastly more experience with hardware than valve, there's nothing stopping them from doing the same thing valve did for the deck, not that they need to because the drivers are open source anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if asus made a deal with Microsoft that prevents then from providing their own support for linux.
>I wouldn't be surprised if asus made a deal with Microsoft that prevents then from providing their own support for linux.
I also thought the same.
The AYANEO was supposed to have its own OS based on SteamOS, but the topic became quickly forgotten...
>Because steam has a monopoly on the software and won't make it work on the other devices despite saying they want competition.
they're still saying they will release it for other devices, but as other anons said it's literally not needed, anyone could just do their own flavor of Arch with Steam and Proton.
You can install Steam OS on any PC. But it's up to you to set it up properly if you're not running on a Steam Deck. It's made to be auto detect with the custom Steam hardware. If it doesn't then you gotta seek whatever shit your hardware in particular uses.
Valve said they'd make the OS available if producers just ask. Chinks are just to stubborn for it.
If you want a mobile platform to work it needs to have more than 1 hour of battery life. The Deck does this with an extremely good APU architecture, Linux out of the box and good support for it, and a lower res screen. These other devices are using power hungry monster APUs with extremely high res screens, and only support Windows with their weird control systems, which is an extremely inefficient OS and makes it so if you try to use Linux it's a gamble with the dumbass hardware and drivers that are usually proprietary
>Why do these things keep failing?
Simple
Steam Deck already exists
Yeah I don't I understand either. I love my Aya neo pro and it runs games and smoothly or smoother than steam deck on a nice 6.5 inch OLED screen. Smaller footprint too.
I think it's the price. That's the only thing. There's no way steam deck owners wouldn't buy a legion if it was the same price as the deck.
obviouly. steam deck would have been a flop if it was $300 more expensive.
Deck has the advantage of having valve behind it, for other stuff there's no guarantee it'll be well supported, or that they'll have a good warranty if you have issues with it. It also has more input methods than most competitors, which matters if you aren't just playing console ports. And also very important: it's cheaper than the competition, which goes a long way.
Chink handhelds are shit by nature.
ASUS Rog is selling fine though.
Steam deck killers fail because they're not cheap. They're expensive because they're profitable.
The steam deck is cheap because it's not profitable. Steam is making them at a loss just like regular console makers. This is a console pc the first of its kind
basically yeah steam deck works because they have steam. they can sell the deck at a loss but they make it up because people paypig on steam games,dlc,etc. I know a pso2 whale that spent $5000 on steam in the last 3 months and he plays on deck.
Valve isn't selling the steam deck at a loss, stop being delusional. At most Gabe said it was painful to hit that price point and that was 2 years ago. As if they're taking a loss with Zen 2 SoC and a 60% sRGB LED screen in 2023.
Maybe the lowest end sku costed them money initially, I doubt it for the rest
>Valve isn't selling the steam deck at a loss
Yes they are
>Why do these things keep failing?
>What makes the deck so much better than these?
Deck isn't weighed down by Windows bloat unless you do it yourself. I don't think you need shit like windows print spooler running 24/7, as well as the million other services always running
Because the market for things like this is just insanely small. It can't support more than one or two over any period of time.
How do we know they're failing?
None of these new handhelds are meaningfully more powerful than the Steam Deck at 15w. That's the problem. Lose god tier ergonomics and software support for 5-10% better frames? That's not going to make your 30fps games run at 60fps. We're waiting for a generational leap that can deliver at least 50, if not 100%, more power at the same wattage.
the ally has already sold 500k.... I don't think it's failing vs the steam deck
The 'eck also failed, you see it in top sellers because it counts the amount of money per purchase, not the amount of devices.
If anything, that supports the idea that it's a success. How is it a flop if it's making more money than anything else on Steam?
Its making less money because they have to make actual hardware, a digital game has higher returns on profit
But Valve is also only getting 30 percent or less per sale of a game they didn't make, so you can consider that analogous to the cost of hardware.
>it's making more money than anything else on Steam?
They lose money on each steam deck sold
Gonna need a source on that one. Or if so, then they obviously aren't measuring success by profit and instead by measuring how many people get added to the Steam ecosystem so counting sales is moronic either way.
>measuring how many people get added to the Steam ecosystem
It's unsuccessful in that metric as well
>It just is!
This is a very unproductive discussion we're having.
>>It just is!
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Only cattle have stats if Joe much people are Sorenson's after getting a deck, only them would know how much each deck costs. You cant just make shit up just because there isn't information on the topic.
>You cant just make shit up just because there isn't information on the topic.
That's the best part. I can speculate and you can't do anything about it but cry.
it did have some success breaking through to normalgays, even my zoom nephew has one.
Thos thread reminds of me of third party publishers on the Wii
>only Nintendo games sell well!
They would scream, after the literally just dumped a heap of trash into the game library
>Why do these things keep failing?
How do you know they are a failure?
Prove it didnt
Isn't this thing $1000 while the steamdeck is $300?
They ship with windows;
>No Trackpads
>'Doze 10/11
Bugmen can't understand American Values.
>American values
Americans are largely fine with using windows
>implying steam deck succeeded
>implying the Steam Deck flopped
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I don't know what that means
PC owners have $1500 desktops for their excessive graphics needs. Deck serves a different purpose, and it's hilarious to me that companies in the business of making and selling competing devices don't seem to grasp that simple fact.
The deck just works and its cheap enough. No one cares about high poly or whatever on a handheld. I just like the deck cuz its a good battery, not too heavy and works well with my TV + controllers.
Because none of them actually understand what makes the deck good. It has nothing to do with raw specs.
What then
>Why do these things keep failing
Is this something people just repeat?
finding replacement parts is really easy for deck. all these other handhelds good luck.
Two simple reasons. Actually three.
First, they're too expensive. The Deck is so cheap that it's outright painful for Valve to sell the base model so cheap. There are no comparable devices on the market available for that price.
Second, none of them get that you can't just make a PC and slap gamepad inputs on it to make a usable device. Valve is the only manufacturer who seems to care about making games designed for kb+m playable on a handheld.
The third is Windows. It just really sucks to use on a handheld PC and you need a customized OS to make the experience tolerable.
>Spoiler
Is this why Valve is holding off on releasing the new Steam OS?
There's no secret sauce on steamos preventing others from doing the same for their device. I think it's mostly engineers having better things to do
I doubt it. Most likely they're simply focusing only on the Deck for now in order to iron out all the fundamental issues of Linux gaming that aren't hardware-related. After that they'll spread out and tackle hardware-specific issues.
how can it fail if it hasn't even launched you stupid moron
>Why do these things keep failing?
Software. Also, Deck is better bang for your buck.
Valve is a software company, not a hardware company. They don't have to sell the Deck at a significant profit. Deck also has significantly better drivers than Deck clones do when you put them on Linux to get away from Windows shitting performance up.