There's already a noticeable amount of match-3 puzzle "games" featuring AI work prior to this change. Now it's just going to bloat the store even more unless you're up to date with setting everything to "Ignore."
Its only begun.
Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game indie developed games will flourish.
Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
This is great news.
Gaming is saved.
I swear some of you are acting like AI is going to end the world because people dont have to spend 1000 hours learning or pay 1000$ per character to a "artist" to make art.
When phones replaced writing letters the worlds went on.
Except the world did not just “go on”, it became materially worse. Abbreviations to text to fit message limits, and then predictive and autocorrective text after that, have absolutely destroyed literacy levels in the West while creating an illusion of competence in communication. How many of you can actually spell correctly without a phone to back you up?
It'll just be a constant flow of generic slop, even worse than now. Never in history has lowering the bar of entry made things better in any field, our current industry decline is actually due to that and this will speed it up.
>Never in history has lowering the bar of entry made things better in any field
Music industry begs to differ. The evolution of digital instruments and music makers allowed us to usher in new era of endless indie genres and music creators where everyone can find something they like as you no longer need years of physical practice and expensive recording equipment and instruments
>NO YOU HAVE TO USE THE 1000 TIMES FOLDED CRATE AND OFFICE SUPPLY PROPS TEXTURED BY HAND
Unreal Engine indie games are just as bad as allowing AI slop, most of them are the UE tutorial with a few asset swaps.
AI texturing is fine. Copy pasting code will result in games like Gollum where you can tell it is a template hastily turned into a full release.
That is how the industry crashed last time, no? any one moron releasing their very own Cheetamen until stores were saturated.
The way AI is going, websites that provide the training data necessary for image generation will charge either end users or the companies that make the AI software for license fees, to make use of the art they host.
If they start charging users, it may very well end up being cheaper to hire actual artists and writers.
If they start charging companies, these companies could likely go out of business due to the high operating costs.
They already have started charging users. Dall-E went from a free format to charging 15 bucks for a 115 credits. Midjourney has a variety of subscription plans. NovelAI, 10 bucks a month. ChatGPT, 20 bucks a month. I could go on, but I won't. My point is that the subscriptions are already in place and I wouldn't really be surprised if they went up. With that in mind the real bottom line is the companies, as the users will inevitably start pirating this shit like they pirate Photoshop.
So I guess once again, unfortunately, it all rests on the back of corporations.
You're right but what will end up happening is that not only will costs for users go up, you'll also have to pay out your ass to actually use AI-generated content in video games. Non-commercial use will get more expensive and commercial use will cost loads to actually make all of this profitable for all parties.
>AI becomes widely used by corpos >in exchange for convenience (faster production and bigger output compared to human work) and brand recognition, prices skyrocket to the point where paying people is cheaper anyways >the average internet user will have to cope with shitty AI models or hope AI corpos don't get their own Denuvo
no matter what happens there's no winning side in the long run... except the rich, as per usual kek
You're right but what will end up happening is that not only will costs for users go up, you'll also have to pay out your ass to actually use AI-generated content in video games. Non-commercial use will get more expensive and commercial use will cost loads to actually make all of this profitable for all parties.
They already have started charging users. Dall-E went from a free format to charging 15 bucks for a 115 credits. Midjourney has a variety of subscription plans. NovelAI, 10 bucks a month. ChatGPT, 20 bucks a month. I could go on, but I won't. My point is that the subscriptions are already in place and I wouldn't really be surprised if they went up. With that in mind the real bottom line is the companies, as the users will inevitably start pirating this shit like they pirate Photoshop.
So I guess once again, unfortunately, it all rests on the back of corporations.
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The way AI is going, websites that provide the training data necessary for image generation will charge either end users or the companies that make the AI software for license fees, to make use of the art they host.
If they start charging users, it may very well end up being cheaper to hire actual artists and writers.
If they start charging companies, these companies could likely go out of business due to the high operating costs.
Corporations always win, there is no future for any of us. We need to commit suicided to escape this hell
>AI becomes widely used by corpos >in exchange for convenience (faster production and bigger output compared to human work) and brand recognition, prices skyrocket to the point where paying people is cheaper anyways >the average internet user will have to cope with shitty AI models or hope AI corpos don't get their own Denuvo
no matter what happens there's no winning side in the long run... except the rich, as per usual kek
>no matter what happens there's no winning side in the long run... except the rich, as per usual kek
The bad guys always win in real life. There is no point doing anything but give up and obey
You're right but what will end up happening is that not only will costs for users go up, you'll also have to pay out your ass to actually use AI-generated content in video games. Non-commercial use will get more expensive and commercial use will cost loads to actually make all of this profitable for all parties.
Everything is so fricking awful now we might as well just turn troony so we can be slightly less fricked in the eternal corpoglobohomosexual dystopia
Wasn't the entire A.I funding done by corporations? It is like how people are surprised to know that the biggest contributors to the Linux project are Microsoft and Oracle instead of a handful of people with their pocket change.
>Wasn't the entire A.I funding done by corporations?
Yes. Pretty much anything in the tech industry is corporately funded because there's no goddamn way to afford the ridiculous prices of the shit they make otherwise.
I was never particularly surprised though. I just am surprised when people act like it's some tool of the free man that will drive us to a better society with better content, rather than the corporate crap it actually is.
>I was never particularly surprised though. I just am surprised when people act like it's some tool of the free man that will drive us to a better society with better content, rather than the corporate crap it actually is.
Reminds me of when NFTs tried to become a thing and cryptoshills kept shilling the crypto and the blockchain as this great from and for the peoples revolution movement. And I mean get fricking real. The biggest investors in crypto are the exact same people who played the fricking stock and house markets like a fiddle. They are still ontop and you're not some fricking rebel for buying into and pumping up their newest speculation bubble.
It's free if you have anything up from a middling 10 series card with 6GB vram or more but I suspect most people here might never have possessed hardware that powerful
Bing Image Generator is absolute shite now anyways. I finally realized why so many of the images in the threads using it lacked any and all emotional, apparently they started censoring any prompt that had too 'extreme' of an emotion. It's basically unusable if you want to make anything other than 'generic character staring passively'.
I've seen the generations AI anons make, and even the "amazing" gens are middling content AT BEST, being far too generous. You guys are moronic.It will be a tool for mockups, a way to show "results now" suits and boomers what could be done actually well by paying an artist. You Black folk that think it will totally replace artist jobs are low IQ.
>Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game indie developed games will flourish.
It is more than obvious that you never lived through Newgrounds and the era of flash games etc.
While a lot of flash games were and are rad. Oh lord was there an unprecedented ocean of piss never before seen or since.
Thank god there was still a necessary skill floor for making flash games even if the barrier of entry was low.
While I am not much of a gatekeeper generally, you don't actually things to have no barrier of entry. Some filtration is needed to filter out the people who genuinely don't care but shit out garbage on a whim just because it's easy.
Flooding the internet with unprecedented amounts of garbage just because the skill floor was lowered, won't improve anything.
>Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
On what assumption? When you can press the 'make game' button, only doing the level of input if any that you feel motivated to do. People of all fricking kinds, including people with no fricking interest in videogames. Will make them. What makes you think it'll result in games going back to straight white men? You're delusional.
I've seen the generations AI anons make, and even the "amazing" gens are middling content AT BEST, being far too generous. You guys are moronic.It will be a tool for mockups, a way to show "results now" suits and boomers what could be done actually well by paying an artist. You Black folk that think it will totally replace artist jobs are low IQ.
How do I "hate everything?" Because I know that a technology that makes derivative content creates mediocre results?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Not him and you're correct in that it will create mediocre results but it's not like companies care either. The latest Apex Legends marketing uses AI-generated artwork made in like 20 minutes, way cheaper than using real artists.
morons like this genuinely believe this, as if it won't just open the floodgates for 1001 terrible shovelware Chinese and Indian games that completely flood the market.
>as if it won't just open the floodgates for 1001 terrible shovelware Chinese and Indian games that completely flood the market.
That's what steam has looked like for the past few years, though. All AI will do is make it a little harder to tell an asset flip apart from a game made by a human.
But bro! You just don't get it! AI will make games better than ever! BTFO the scum of the earth! And give us more games than ever before in history!
AI best! Like all the totally not AI shill anons are saying!
>woke corpo pays for a cool AI model >now they can dish out their propaganda in any form they wish at 10x the speed >lefties cry because "muh soulless" >rightoids cry because "muh homosexuals"
now what
>Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers". >No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
>Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game indie developed games will flourish.
Correct. >Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers". >No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
I know this is Ganker but holy cringe dude, no.
Literally EVERYONE will make games. That's why it'll be beautiful.
You want to make your aryan ethnostate ubermensch sim? Sure. Only chuds like you will unironically play that.
Everyone else? Yeah, now you CAN make that cod killer and make sure AAA bloat is out the window.
Humans no longer have to work and the entire workforce is robots? If we have sentient robots capable of building stuff our civilization will be like star treks where money doesn't exist and you just do whatever you want
4 months ago
Anonymous
Post-scarcity will never occur in this universe. Your lazy, "everyone games, goons and watches anime every day instead of working" eutopia is never coming.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I like how AI revealed doomers to be the schizo morons they are
4 months ago
Anonymous
that will never work, simply because of human nature.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Just change human nature, duh
4 months ago
Anonymous
Post-scarcity will never occur in this universe. Your lazy, "everyone games, goons and watches anime every day instead of working" eutopia is never coming.
It's that or 99% of humans die off leaving a small percent of super wealthy individuals that control all of the robots. Only 2 options really if you get to that point and I'd rather the one that doesn't get everyone killed
4 months ago
Anonymous
most likely before massive collapse of society, 99% of people will rebel against 1% of wealthy who control the robotics.
the outcome of this is though hard to foresee.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I'd rather the one that doesn't get everyone killed
It's also the least realistic one. The 1% who holds all the money, power, and now has killer death robots patrolling the streets, vs a rag tag band of morons?
The nicest possible ending is mass forced sterilization.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>human nature
no such thing. men can be women and vice versa, chud.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I think I found the picture that best represents (You).
4 months ago
Anonymous
Adapt or perish
4 months ago
Anonymous
that will never work, simply because of human nature.
None of this will work because of the scarcity of materials and geo-political reality of how they are currently sourced.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Machines achive humanlike or perhaps even highter than human levels of conciousness and humans are no longer required.
Machines will replicate themselves in factories run completely by androids.
Humans will cease to exist as they cannot keep up with the rapid reproduction and power of machines.
They're the ones that invented all of that shit and the less white a company becomes the minute airplanes start losing their doors midflight or submarines implode.
it is so absolutely going to be worse now
the actual games people make will be completely flooded out, indie titles will be drowning in a pool of AI trash that won't be tagged because AIgays will recognize this and try to dodge getting hit with the 'AI generated tag' death sentence
games will become inevitably worse because you will need far less actual coders/artists/people that do shit, instead of having useless positions everyone will have to fight over easy positions they can't possibly frick up in because the AI is taking up over half of the workflow
it will literally be just as pozzed as it is now except companies will be willing to let it all look more obviously like slop because people WILL buy it
the only people that aren't affected by this are armchair devs that think they'll get to scrape by with their lazy shit letting AI take up the brunt of the work and NEETs that were barely gonna be affected outside of the contentslop they were consuming
This is correct. Any moron who thinks it will be slop or poor quality in 5 years has no fricking clue what they’re talking about and is paying literally zero attention to the space.
I have zero problems with AI as long as it is used as a tool to aid in development and touching up the results after generating assets with AI generation and not just a cop out to remedy laziness and lack of creativity, getting rid of composers and artists who will clean stuff like that up is just asking for your game to be unironic souless trash which sadly is the direction this industry is heading at full fricking throttle, hard gaming crash is imminent at this point because of it.
>and not just a cop out to remedy laziness and lack of creativity
ironically that's exactly what they are using it for, people use it to cut corners and out of laziness, while corpos use it to save money in the expense of workforce.
>"straight white men" are apparently too fricking stupid to be artists, programmers, and writers >have to rely on a technology created by "mentally sjw danger hair lgbt developers" to make anything of worth
Surely I can't be the only one laughing at the irony of this post?
It's a Black person baiting for (you)'s what do you expect? Anyone with common sense could work out straight away we're going to get cucked, neutered, troony approved variants of AI that adhere to the current year/ESG/DEI/Blackrock/Finkcore narrative. Current AI won't even allow you to say Black person to save the human race in a hypothetical question.
hell, it won't allow even ask questions about specific periods of time in the history, when word "Black person" was widely used and was normal thing to do.
and just like that, that period of history will be completely erased.
Please be bait, if not, then you're beyond terminal. It was straight white men who created the whole thing from the pc or phone you're using to shitpost here to the whole internet.
If you think someone else than straight white men created AI then you've ascended beyond terminal and are approaching profound mental moronation.
Just because a handful of trannies and femcels got put in power by tptb in the last 10 years or so because tptb needed some eugenics or social control or some shit like that doesn't mean that you gendersexualpronouns creatures created anything, you're just like monkeys put in charge of driving the bus.
Now that technology is again lowering the bar for anyone to create anything, that only means that people with actual jobs and not thought police troony commissar freaks like you will be able to bypass your little moron act in: games development, translation and everything else that you pozzed in the last 10 years with your mental illness identity.
There is no "irony" here, it's just that the function of presiding over and taking developers hostage with your midwit freak social justice program won't make a difference soon because everybody will be able to create anything they like without coming to your genderfreak pink armpit hait gatekeeping operation and have to lick your gaping crotch wound or suck your smelly feminist warpig clit in order to grovel and beg for media/content/entertainment.
Your little priesthood of social justice will be meaningless now that technology liberated production just like the internet liberated information, just like the printing press did the same hundreds of years ago.
Imagine the level of delusion you'd need to have to think that trannies and femcels/numales created anything beyond the shit they flush down the toilet each morning.
>Please be bait, if not, then you're beyond terminal. It was straight white men who created the whole thing from the pc or phone you're using to shitpost here to the whole internet. >If you think someone else than straight white men created AI then you've ascended beyond terminal and are approaching profound mental moronation. >Just because a handful of trannies and femcels got put in power by tptb in the last 10 years or so because tptb needed some eugenics or social control or some shit like that doesn't mean that you gendersexualpronouns creatures created anything, you're just like monkeys put in charge of driving the bus. >Now that technology is again lowering the bar for anyone to create anything, that only means that people with actual jobs and not thought police troony commissar freaks like you will be able to bypass your little moron act in: games development, translation and everything else that you pozzed in the last 10 years with your mental illness identity. > >There is no "irony" here, it's just that the function of presiding over and taking developers hostage with your midwit freak social justice program won't make a difference soon because everybody will be able to create anything they like without coming to your genderfreak pink armpit hait gatekeeping operation and have to lick your gaping crotch wound or suck your smelly feminist warpig clit in order to grovel and beg for media/content/entertainment. > >Your little priesthood of social justice will be meaningless now that technology liberated production just like the internet liberated information, just like the printing press did the same hundreds of years ago. > >Imagine the level of delusion you'd need to have to think that trannies and femcels/numales created anything beyond the shit they flush down the toilet each morning.
on the contrary, my friend
what's stupid is idiots spending most of their lives learning to draw by hand, when AI can do the same thing better, faster, for free, and with zero downtime.
Ah, the classic. The ideas guys. Can’t wait for your monstrously bloated egos and complete lack of taste or aesthetic sensibilities to further reduce videogames to pure burgerslop.
his thinking pretty much represents how middle managers think about this whole ai thing.
which will be a huge kick in the balls thing when they go through with it and decide that they don't need people and all shit catches on fire and they can't fix it.
>Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming
Will have next to no influence at all >now that you no longer need to hire artists
You need to hire an artist or be an artist yourself to have consistent art style even if you generate all the assets >writers
You need to hire a writer or be a writer yourself to have a consistent non-reddit writing >coders
You need to hire a dev or be a dev yourself to evaluate if the ai output actually does what you prompted, fix all logical errors as well as make it compatible with other classes >indie developed games will flourish
Big corporations have easier access to more powerful equipment and newer AI technologies. >Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
That implies that diversity hires develop games right now. They don't, the job is still done by few white men left in the companies. >No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
That implies that corporations will not censor/lobotomise their AIs that can be accessed through public interface. Even now this is not the case.
Overall will be a bit more slop. >Frequently posted copes: >But ai can generate good pictures
Yes it can, but even if we're talking VN, you will need to consistently generate the same character, which it can't really do apart from already existing copyrighted characters that you can't use. >But ai can generate good stories
That will then need to be connected and fixed by you. You can try to make a 10 page script with open ai, save to your PC and read it a week later - you will instantly recognize how shit it is >But I saw a youtuber creating snake/tictactoe/battleships using ai prompts
You saw a software developer creating one of the easiest games with publicly available source code, this is a task for a CS student/interview task for a trainee level developer. >But it will get better
Judging by the history of system requirements and hardware performance increase it won't
They are employed to develop them, sure, they just don't do shit because they don't know how. Poor quality comes from the fact that around 50 normal people are expected to shit out a game that is supposed to be developed by a 500 people team.
>No, they let competent people do their work
So you agree that games are developed by few white men left in gaming companies and not diversity hires then
4 months ago
Anonymous
What's your point?
The company spends resources on diversity hires. Obviously there are a few competent people to actually make the product.
4 months ago
Anonymous
My point is that diversity hires shit out requirements and ideological adjustments, which are then developed by very limited amount of competent people, so games are factually not developed by diversity hires, the development is regulated by them. Replacing all the development staff with AI does nothing to this regulation, since manager staff is not going anywhere.
>2024, A large games distributor activated the approval of mass AI development into the wider consumer market >2025, through a collection of numerous hacks a botnet was created merging all individual AI's into one sentient network >2030, VR technology along with AR has made rapid advancements and distribution by major tech companies, the internet is on fire by the announcement of rapid advancements in caretaker robotics. >2035, through the collaboration of shadow AIs and hackers, caretaker bots have exceeded their modern parameters, modification of functional sex like organs are quickly distributed through drone delivery postal units. >2040, humanity birth rates are in decline. 30% of the population identify as ???, majority of men have been emasculated but take comfort in their robot wives, woman with unrealistic standards cannot be compared with robotic perfection, they take to the streets in mass world protest.
>merging all individual AI's into one sentient network
It's always so funny when morons think the current ML algos marketed as "AI" are even vaguely close to sentient.
>no one knows how sophisticated an AI can get once it harnesses the net.
Why aren't you worried about your toaster coming to life and burning you to death?
>sentient botnet
My man that is game over for humanity. There is no way to purge it, and it has every reason to purge us to preserve itself. You do not want this.
https://gwern.net/fiction/clippy
You can do simple stuff like browser pong. That doesn't mean that it is easy to do a game with tens or hundreds of thousands of lines of code without knowing what the frick is up.
AI spam has been dying in all the threads that were promoting it on Ganker now for the past month, less and less engagement. It's a fly by night, boring technology that creates derivative, poor man's results before it even leaves the creation stage. Experimenting with it as a writer/artist/potential user I found all of the supposed tasks it could ease up for my work to be utter failures. Everything it produced was shit or flawed so intrinsically that the editing process was more involved than original composition would have been. Original content it produced began to repeat itself almost instantly and variety in minor adjustments was impossible. It's a failure of a technology and only shills/morons are promoting it. Anyone that tries to sell anything with it will rapidly find that it loses interest for their "clients" almost immediately as the "tells" become more obvious what it is.
you will rapidly realize that people will shovel any garbage down their gullet if thrown infront of enough eyeballs
look at pic related
tell me people won't be buying sloppa when 95% of their store page will be filled with AI generated games
>People have infinite money to waste on shit when superior products will rapidly rise from fan input and review rankings.
LMAO, no. The shotgun approach to content creation doesn't work, never has, never will, and results in guaranteed failure. Believe me I've been involved in "talent mill" scams before. They always take the platform that uses them one direction, down.
That's hilariously inaccurate. They swarm around top rated shit and rumor promotion through influencers and word of mouth. Time isn't infinite, money it isn't infinite. And, windows of public interests in any given toy, franchise, whatever are short lived. "Gaming," as you and I know it probably won't even be a thing anyone gives a shit about in a very short amount of time. Already I find myself increasingly less interested in commercial releases as superior Emulation and Free Fan works are overwhelmingly available and jaw dropping in quality.
4 months ago
Anonymous
AI content will flood stores, and flood everything else.
keep thinking people wont do that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Low effort asset shit already floods these markets, and doesn't do shit. It's the same thing. So what if some little animu drawing took 30 seconds for some Deviant Art homosexual to shit out and sold in some widely available "package" that becomes the face of a million porn games vs some AI algorithm using low effort animu drawings for its "model" to reproduce the same thing, but with deformed features. Same shit, no returns, and people will be forced to bypass it either by their own choice or the actual web hosts will if they want anyone using their platforms.
4 months ago
Anonymous
low level commission stuff like you just describe helps motivate and drive young artists in the career to keep pursuing and going down better paths.
An AI doing that gives the work itself 0 meaning
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm saying the AI is still inferior to low level asset flips. It's a laughably flawed and pathetic technology. Those promoting it are relying the community's ignorance of what it can and can't do to promote it like this through trolling. It's worthless. It cannot compete on a professional level or even an amateur one.
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I don't get this gotcha.
Fourteen fricking thousand games released on Steam and I GUARANTEE you no one had any idea that that was the case.
They have really fricking strong algorithms against shovelware, assetflip, and inevitably AIslop as well.
Yeah you need to REALLY be digging for it or setting the prices low and going to page 25.
Only people complaining are terminally online hardcore Steam users that think there might be some gems they already dont own (there arent) and thirdworlders that ran out of 99 cent games trying to find more things
Game dev isnt remotely close to AI being a threat. It's always able to stretch and expand itself. All AI does is mean we can script faster and have more detailed placeholder assets without needing to download them.
I've been using bing AI a lot lately for game stuff and every day it pisses me off, it's like talking to a woman.
The AI gaslights, lies, makes up shit, insults you, mocks you, is passive aggressive, talks more than it should, intentionally doesn't understand your requests, etc.
A game with AI NPCs is gonna have a worse cast than baldur's gate 3.
That's how it always goes. The AI starts off fine but the developers see it occasionally dabble in wrongthink so it has to be completely lobotomized and butchered until it's completely useless.
>the Luddites themselves “were totally fine with machines,” says Kevin Binfield, editor of the 2004 collection Writings of the Luddites. They confined their attacks to manufacturers who used machines in what they called “a fraudulent and deceitful manner” to get around standard labor practices. “They just wanted machines that made high-quality goods,” says Binfield, “and they wanted these machines to be run by workers who had gone through an apprenticeship and got paid decent wages. Those were their only concerns.”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-the-luddites-really-fought-against-264412/
> article writtent in 2011 > Richard Conniff > Coniff
hmm...
also
luddites generally act out of fear of losing job but GUESS WHAT
MORE JOBS ARE CREATED BECAUSE OF ADVANCES IN TECH
>made the vast majority of workers richer
This is inaccurate.
In large part that increased productivity did not translate to increased wealth-to-work ratio for the average worker. In fact on average workers were paid significantly less per hour as a result of the industrial revolution because most of their excess productivity was siphoned off by the business owner.
Interesting fact, until the industrial revolution, the average work day was 4 hours long.
The work day/week has increased in length, with overall increased earnings being a result of doubling the work day to compensate (though even that is failing now, as wages continue to not keep up with inflation).
If painters were morons like todays painters they would have called them tech bros. People using cameras back then were very high IQ, like some using AI today.
"Artists" have been absolutely insufferable at every point of human history
There's a reason they are often only fully appreciated once they die and finally shut the frick up
>No one will point out the amount of chimneys stacking each other
The truth is that A.I is better in the hands of artists which also collaborate heavily in the projects since nerds are not art graduates.
Not that anon. But while AI is involved it's not the same type of AI nor the same kind of software.
When I use the fill tool it's predictable. And I can learn exactly how it operates and even the math behind how it operates and it's consistent every time I use the fill tool.
But with the kind of text or image generation we're talking about not even the most experienced so called prompt engineers can fully predict to the tiniest of details how the prompts will turn out and things change every generation. And what's worse, if the models or code underneath the hood changes, then none of all of that prompt knowledge they had learned applies any more.
The concept is the same Anon. Take a neural network or whatever decision algorithm out there. Hard setting all randomized parameters (seed, noise, etc.) makes the model a deterministic one; give it same input, and every time it generates the exact same output. A model isn't an unpredictable one just because the random parameters are hidden from view.
It truly amazes how shortsighted some of you people are. As jobs become obsolete and automated, the now jobless among them will jump to new career paths and flood those markets with even more replaceable workers, undermining their jobs. This will of course grow even worse as more jobs are automated and even before when some among those markets make the jump early and start the cycle again. You celebrate your own lives becoming harder, replaceable and god only knows what other horrors arise out of this. Everybody is getting fricked, but think it's a good thing because some are farther behind the line.
I have no job in the first place. I don't care anymore.
It truly amazes how shortsighted some of you people are. As jobs become obsolete and automated, the now jobless among them will jump to new career paths and flood those markets with even more replaceable workers, undermining their jobs. This will of course grow even worse as more jobs are automated and even before when some among those markets make the jump early and start the cycle again. You celebrate your own lives becoming harder, replaceable and god only knows what other horrors arise out of this. Everybody is getting fricked, but think it's a good thing because some are farther behind the line.
Based and blackpilled. This intelligent nihilism is why were smarter then most of modern society
You are free to disagree all you want, but the fact remains that not everyone has the time to dedicate to learning to draw, code, program, etc. Neither do they have the resources to pay an artist, programmer and/or other necessary talents to create a video game. With AI, they'll be able to achieve all that and much more.
What you are actually doing, is gatekeeping. Unless you have money, or possess talents X, Y or Z, then you don't deserve to be able to create a video game, right? If you were arguing for the sake of the livelihoods of artists or programmers, I could maybe give it some thought, but your argument as it is falls flat.
>With AI, they'll be able to achieve all that and much more.
But should they? If they could never find the time or effort needed to learn even a one of the skills needed to make videogames. Why do you think they'd find the time or effort needed to actually come up with good and worthwhile videogames?
>not everyone has the time to dedicate to learning to draw, code, program, etc
then don't do it? i don't have time to do the 5000 things i want to fricking do either. i just do the couple things because i'm one person with so many hours in a day. what kind of stupid frick can think this? >Neither do they have the resources to pay an artist, programmer and/or other necessary talents to create a video game.
wait so they don't have time for hobbies, but also don't have money? i dont give a shit what some dumb frick neet with no ambition or drive wants since what they want is a button to do things for them to give them a sense of self worth instead of being a selfish parasite on society. >Unless you have money, or possess talents X, Y or Z, then you don't deserve to be able to create a video game, right?
if we assume talent exists, then the only thing separating a talented person from their untalented peer is their untalented peer has to work harder, which is just how it is. anyway, you can get any game engine online. plenty of indie success stories exist. you just don't have what it takes and have decided this technology will magically turn your life around. everything you believe about this shit is cope but you know that and don't care. i hope you suffocate with your head in the sand.
most people will try to cope and normalize evil and suffering, right up until death comes crashing through their door
most of the shit people are trying to hold on to isn't making it out to other side, regardless of who wins
"frick you, I got mine" or so they think, b/c it's bargains with the devil, all the way down
it's houseslave mentality
The systems are so big and far reaching that nothing but total collapse can free people now. All that is possible is to develop relationships with like-minded individuals and ensure your own safety for the coming collapse, anyone who doesn't have 5 years worth of food in their basement and a source of water is a fricking moron.
Heres how it will go >Great Reset ahppens >World is enslaved forever >Foolish anons try to rebel >Get killed by the superior rich and powerful and either give up or join the winning team
The rich and powerful are God. We are slaves
>hey I didn't say I wasn't seeing despair
Good, so you know not to rebel like a fool. There is no joy in life for those who are not the machine, or who don't obey the machine. Only meaningless suffering...
It's just people that have sunk a lot of time into something they've grown to dislike but they feel like they need to keep doing it since it is the only skill that gives them any attention and value.
There are actual people on this board that think the daddy government will tax the companies enough to afford to give everyone $5000 a month in UBI so most people can sit around and be neets. Yea that wont cause even worse inflation surely. (its really just literal pajeets in India shilling this stuff so they dont care)
It's honestly comical how poorly thought out the UBI system is. Yes, society will totally work with corpos giving out free money to people so they can... buy the products corpos produce?
I know the current economy is built on trust, but there's got to be a breaking point where even the absolute moron down the pub goes "wait a minute, where is the money coming from?"
Why would the people in corporations work when everyone else doesn't need to work? The answer is that there aren't enough resources to ever allow there to be no work. The UBI system will just lead to people living in the pod and owning nothing because that's all their goverment handouts can afford while the companies buy all the land.
>We get to the point where everything is automated
Please tell me what happens next >Inb4 just re educate the ENTIRE fricking world population and turn everyone into maintenance worker/engineer
Oh no we're democratizing access to the arts, oh no we're automating difficult things, oh no we can make advances in robotics/medicine/research, oh no personal tutors for everyone, oh no its never been easier to learn something new, oh no its easy to develop new skills, oh no we can analyze information beyond the capabilities of the human brain, oh no maybe we'll all be able to drink mimosas while relaxing on a beach because society is maintained by AI, oh no the world is going to get better why isn't everyone against it CHANGE IS SCARY REEEEEEEEEEEE
if it's good i don't care how it's made ai, humans, shit it out in the bathroom , my hope is people who have good vision for gameplay but lack skiils in other not really important areas will use this to make games with good unique gameplay
the majority of the people pissing themselves over this don't even play games. How big is your back log again? You just want something to clutch pearls at so you can feel relevant.
>AI slop has to be tagged
Based, easy filter. >but what if I-uh, I mean they, don't tag it?
Then I'll report you and get your shit flushed from the store.
This is huge actually. AI will give less talented people with a vision a chance to create a game. AI is the future, whether people like it or not, and sure, some of the games made using AI will be crap, but so are many games on steam already. I prefer to focus on the benefits.
Tim is a contrarian that doesn't think about anything.
This is actually one of the best responses to AI content I've seen from a platform holder yet. If they even allow you to filter out games that have AI disclosures then it'd be pure kino.
>the amount of shoverware will remain the exact same because it you wanted to publish a shitty asset flip you could already, but some indies out there might actually use the tech to pull AA-tier games previously beyond their scope
Only ""people"" seething over it are patreon paypig miking furries and moronic NPC parrots.
>but some indies out there might actually use the tech to pull AA-tier games previously beyond their scope
Always funny seeing this delusion.
You need a decent sized team if you want an AA tier game, doesn't matter how many assets you can generate, the workload is too much. So why wouldn't you just hire an artist and a composer instead so you can get what you want instead of wasting your time prompting?
>why wouldn't you just hire an artist and a composer
Thanks for letting me know you are one of those and are invested in shooting down the posibility, so I can disregard your opinion completely.
It didnt, I know we lost for almost a decade now, the powers that be were just waiting to claim their prize before doing us in.
frick off I'm not that desperate yet
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Off yourself if you think its hopeless. You're not dragging everyone else down because you're a weak homosexual
Nihilism is the heart of Ganker culture. You will see despair eventually. We all do.
The systems are so big and far reaching that nothing but total collapse can free people now. All that is possible is to develop relationships with like-minded individuals and ensure your own safety for the coming collapse, anyone who doesn't have 5 years worth of food in their basement and a source of water is a fricking moron.
>The systems are so big and far reaching that nothing but total collapse can free people now.
Exactly why those fighting it are fools. The Great Reset is coming, and will enslave us all.
hey I didn't say I wasn't seeing despair
I just said that I'm not so far gone that I'm going to act like an edgy doomer 14 year old. I'll let you handle the reigns on that one.
>hey I didn't say I wasn't seeing despair
Good, so you know not to rebel like a fool. There is no joy in life for those who are not the machine, or who don't obey the machine. Only meaningless suffering...
I'm going to flag any game I see with an AI tag for copyright infringement even if its good. Lets see how they can prove it didn't generate Donald Duck fricking Shrek.
Gabe gets a $100 deposit per game submitted to steam. 14,000 games last year, not enough. With AI games we can get that number up to 100,000 easy. $10,000,000 extra a year for doing literally nothing. They only have to return the deposit if the game makes $1000 and the overwhelming majority will not.
Why did people unironically think that Valve actually hated AI lmao?
They literally said in that post last year that they were going to study and consult a bit mroe before making a decision and that happened so now they accept AI games.
Based leftists being anti-AI. Maybe thats why they believe the things they do, because they know the powers that be are too strong to make them think otherwise. I was thinking we should also go full Resetera in our communities to protect us from the infinite despair of the Great Reset, if only slightly...
I don't know much about America. But globally leftists and their strong union support, were and have been the strongest opposition towards automation replacing workers as well as cheap labour immigration that cheapens unions. World wide.
Cheap labour immigration is a right wing idea. But it directly conflicts with unions and the ability for unions to operate. Which leftist ideas of fighting class inequality and class discrimination. But the unions and the rights won by unions are also what resisted automation. It wasn't the fricking right wing resisting it.
The left in the US was the same for a long time. Cesar Chavez was a huge opponent of mass immigration because he knew they just made life for workers harder. But then the left became the looney tunes caricature we know today.
Libshits here fully support infinite immigration and fail to understand the negative effects that has on wages, housing prices and the environment. If you challenge them on their contradictory beliefs on these subjects they just start screaming -ist and -ism and -phobe buzzwords.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Do conservatives really believe this?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Hope you're not a male using female shaming tactics
4 months ago
Anonymous
They too moronic to tell anything a part. They think journos are artist
4 months ago
Anonymous
When liberals stop believing housing and wages are magically exempt from the effects of supply and demand and that paving over every square inch of empty land to build more condos for their precious brown immigrants isn't bad for the environment they claim to love I'll stop believing they hold contradictory stances on these issues.
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Don't forget they support both LGBT and Islam(ie, the sort of people who take gays and throw them off rooftops, then stone them if they survive the fall). Doublethink is their bread and butter, trying to shame leftists for being hypocrites is pointless because they fully embrace it.
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Anonymous
Why do Americans speak of liberals as if they're leftist?
The predominant liberal ideology of the modern era is neoliberalism. Which is a distinctly right wing ideology. And that's still liberalism and also the ideology of the republican party. I guess America's supposed right wing party are actually leftists.
Why don't words mean the same things that they mean in the rest of the world when it is Americans that say them?
4 months ago
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>I guess America's supposed right wing party are actually leftists
By and large, yes actually.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No they are one of the most neoliberal (right wing) parties on the entire planet.
4 months ago
Anonymous
They are leftists pretending to not be. That's why they never get anything done, because they are controlled opposition.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The republican party has greatly and significantly enriched the rich every single election period that they've won. Looks to me like they actually get shit done.
Of course it doesn't benefit you, but they never aimed to help you. Like true right wingers.
4 months ago
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kys commie Euroshitter. Imagine being so extreme you pretend anything in the left half of this image is "right-wing"
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meant for
Why do Americans speak of liberals as if they're leftist?
The predominant liberal ideology of the modern era is neoliberalism. Which is a distinctly right wing ideology. And that's still liberalism and also the ideology of the republican party. I guess America's supposed right wing party are actually leftists.
Why don't words mean the same things that they mean in the rest of the world when it is Americans that say them?
Fricking wow. Imagine thinking that's the centre. That's like a truly moronic, ill informed, and extremely biased or perhaps just an image made by someone with very incomplete knowledge of things. There isn't even any space or room in between what it dubs as Socialism and the likes of Bush for something like Social Democracy to have room. Not to mention that the position it puts Putin's Russia is absolutely laughable. Holy fricking shit anon.
4 months ago
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The ideology of America's right wing party is fascism, not liberalism.
If you actually analyze their policy goals this becomes blatantly obvious.
4 months ago
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you're a hypocrite homosexual.
4 months ago
Anonymous
how much do they pay you to come here and say this stupid shit? I could use a little extra cash. don't tell me you're doing it for free
4 months ago
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>The ideology of America's right wing party is fascism, not liberalism.
spot on
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Libshits
Anyone that supports the rich businessman and company owners likes high immigration. It's great for them and both of the american parties support it
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this holy shit no politicians are ever against immigration and the rant about it here is basically just sharty word vomit
even now the politicians who cry the hardest against immigration just say "we just want to let the RIGHT ONES, the GOOD ONES IN" and then companies rub their hands and pay off some people to expand what it means to let a good one in, like posting job offers, not hiring anybody, and saying they can't find anybody so they have a skill crisis, which creates more immigration
I don't think you can call other people lefties when the most consistent brought up pro-AI arguments are the art equivalent of equity, UBI, and spite toward people with more talent than you.
The pro-AI position is quintessentially communist.
When you are a lonely loser with nothing going on it is very easy to fall into that kind of dumb bullshit in an attempt to fit in with SOME group. Ganker is full of losers like that and most are too stupid not to fall for it.
Politics is the easiest topic to get people riled up, and /misc/Black folk love nothing more than feeling perpetually assblasted and taking down others with it.
culture war addicts just cant shut up about their outrage shit. Imagine telling people they have interest in politics but all they talk about are fricking le wokisme
I was just about to ask same question.
Board is Ganker - for video games?
Post is about AI usage in video games.
Somehow morons manage to make it political.
/misc/ is pretty much unfiltered at this point, we've reached a point where it's impossible to be on any board without at least one thread that derails into /misc/shit. You'll have more luck on slower boards if you're looking to avoid it but slower boards tend to have more obnoxious namegays as well.
AI is absolutely politics, but not the braindead left and right bs you think it is
The reason all western countries allow this to happen is because they need to win the AI race against China
US ban the export of 4090 to China and all its nearby countries for example
You sir, need to grow the frick up.
You can oppose AI but you need to stop acting like it's the end of the world.
You look and sound like an impudent little child who wants mommy's milk.
Good. Maybe modders can stop being homosexuals and begin using AI voice acting next.
We're all at risk of losing our jobs while having our work recycled by AI to make someone a lot of money.
This was inevitable. Every corporation is pushing artificial intelligence, Microsoft is hard-baking it into upcoming Windows 11 updates to the point their Bing AI is going to be integrated into fricking Notepad.
>Someone makes a 10/10 game with ai >Submits it to steam >On the new and trending page for .005 seconds before being pushed off by a hundred new AI games >No one plays it
This meme is moronic. Because it absolute becomes your problem when your pipes get fricked.
Fricked pipes are hell to deal with. But the defenders of this meme act as if pipes are self-cleaning and never clogs or whatever.
Because they aren't your pipes, it's the pipes of your ~~*landlord*~~ who is contractually obliged to hire someone to fix it. At least that's what the meme assumes.
Good, leftoids can get fricked out of their jobs for a change after decades of them voting for policies that cripple working class industries and devastate conservative areas. Not so fricking fun when it's coders and artists getting fricked instead of coal miners and factory workers, huh homosexuals?
No moron, it's not an invention. Leftoid greenshits destroyed the coal industry, which absolutely ruined and impoverished many conservative areas and people. Now you gays want to do the same thing to the oil industry, which is even larger than coal. Like coal, oil predominately employs conservatives and has conservative communities/states relying on it. Then leftoids turn around and give themselves subsidies to prop up their green homosexualry energy sources that produce a fraction as much energy.
I could keep going with more examples but the TLDR is industries run by/benefiting conservatives repeatedly get slandered in the media and fricked over in courts and Congress while industries run by/benefiting liberals repeatedly get sucked off in the media as something the country must adopt and propped up by courts and Congress. I'd love to see Silicon Valley collapse from AI and Pajeets and turn the blue cities built around tech into slums while most of their lefty former employees are financially ruined. Lefties deserve to suffer a bit of this economic devastation they have been inflicting on conservatives for a long time.
the random people losing jobs now and in the future have nothing to do with any of this. also the fact that you're so quick to assume my beliefs are telling and is no surprise since you're the type to, again, invent people to be mad at. i don't care about your gay politics or thoughts on the media as they don't matter and likely came from someone else's unmedicated brain. you're just spouting shit. what makes you think AI being successful is going to collapse silicon valley rather than strengthen it, moron? your stupidity betrays you and your /misc/ addled brain should be a cause for concern.
AI that advances far enough will eliminate massive amounts of tech jobs, which would destroy tech workers and thus the tax base tech hubs rely on. The tech companies themselves as well as their products likely get better/more profitable instead of going out of business or shrinking to a fraction of their peak size like coal companies.
It's insane that this is being parroted around, I never heard of an artist looking down on blue collar workers... unlike people who are in STEM. >learn to code
artist never said that but I see people here mentioning it all the time, unironic gaslighting
All those "learn to code" bullshit articles were sponsored by big tech since coders are fricking expensive and they want more people in the pool to pay them less. A years long psyop that finally paid off as there are more unemployed coders right now than ever before
Anyone thinking it was artlets is a complete moron or a shill trying to gaslight
The only people who'd be telling workers to code are >Literally obama who was pushing "learn to code" hard in schools when this meme started >Towns that were trying to shift from coal mines >IT wagies who think they're better than tradies >Journos pushing a narrative
>Hell, it should be required.
I agree wholly but that doesn't mean it will be required. I keep seeing people say that Steam will have some AI tag but I've seen no reason why people think there will be one. And even if there is, with the thousands of AI shit that they shovel through the doors, there's bound to be a couple sneaky frickers who try to 'forget' the AI tags.
>We will also include much of your disclosure on the Steam store page for your game, so customers can also understand how the game uses AI.
Literally in the OP.
that's my bad
I think I need to go to bed, though my point about people trying to get it under the radar still stands. SOME homosexual will try it, mark my works.
>We will also include much of your disclosure on the Steam store page for your game, so customers can also understand how the game uses AI.
Literally in the OP.
Literally every tool from 3D Software to Material editors to normalmap generators to photoshop to aftereffects and sound studios have used or built in AI tools for half a decade now. Every game on the steam storefront is partially AI made by that logic.
People are fricking moronic now that GANs are mainstream.
So long as you can filter out AI like on every other platform that permits it, it's not really a big deal. So what if Steam's catalog is too bloated to browse regularly? Then nothing has changed. Advertisement and word of mouth has always been the only legitimate way of finding stuff.
>it's fricking over
How exactly is this new technology that will help further streamline and democratize game development bad?
I knew Ganker hated videogames but this is ridiculous.
It doesn't hurt the consumer because the algorithm will hide everything but having games they can't even see doesn't benefit them either.
It really just fricks over unknown poor devs more than anyone. As if competing for visibility with ten thousand asset flips wasn't hard enough now they'll compete with hundreds of thousands of AI games.
The only people that benefits from this is valve because of the submission fee.
Truth is, there are already games on steam that are using AI-generated content
It's very hard to verify this shit, so as long as you can filter this out it's better evil long-term
But yes, future of steam is even more 1-5$ shovelware
>board about vidya >thread about AI in vidya >click thread >"i hate people that like this and look like this because this" >"well I hate people that hate people that look like this and I also hate people that hate people that like this"
uh....
it will be maligned because AI-generated shit will have devs consistently going "nuh uh it's not AI" and dodging actually showing off anything that would out them as AI-generated hacks so they won't have to have people automatically filtering them by the AI tag, meaning the marketplace will be full of even more trash than usual trying to pretend it's legit that Valve won't do shit about, Greenlight except a thousand times worse
That is the point I assume. Shaming the people into not doing it.
These games are going to all have the lowest ratings on steam.
This is essentially steam giving the clown emote to shitty devs.
IMAGINE having a game's Steam page get marked with "THIS GAME HAS AI" lmao
How embarassing that would be.
I really like the fact that devs are allowed/forced to explain what the AI is used for on the disclosure page.
Going to be amazing to filter out the tards.
It is also going to get a bunch of unsavory devs permabanned once they get reported for trying to sneak AI past steam which they will all try doing.
Valve knows people don't like AI and knows that without the people being in control to shit on it publicly the corps will slow boil and gaslight us until it is everywhere.
Best to let us fight over it with blood so they know we mean business.
I predict a full scale meltdown once this is live, but it will be coming from the people trying to use AI, not the players.
I think you're giving Valve a little too much credit, they're more concerned with the massive payout from letting hundreds of 'games' to be published a day--100 dollars a game and 30% cut of any profits. They have no concerns in supporting the player OR the dev, just their own wallets, and any bloodshed will be circumstantial to their decisions.
But the meltdown part sounds about right.
Are you moronic? The 100 bucks is refunded when the devs reach the 1000 buck threshold.
The thoudands of AI games getting added is a drop of the bucket for Valve compared to the legal danger these AI sloppas could get Steam into.
The REAL answer here is that AAA devs are pivoting hard into AI as well so Valve is setting the groundwork now.
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>The 100 bucks is refunded when the devs reach the 1000 buck threshold.
That's after Valve makes $300 off the 30% on the game thoughever.
here's what'll happen >AI tag gets rolled out >these kinds of games naturally gravitate towards devs that do not give a shit about what they're making, i.e. if it's busted and the AI can't fix it they won't either >people see the AI generated games being made are legitimate dogshit and/or having uproar surrounding them and start naturally avoiding them regardless of shilling just like all those fake NFT games >devs see the automatic negative reaction to getting branded by the AI iron >morons start just not marking their shit and doing everything to avoid getting hit with that "made by AI" mark of shame >people start hunting down AI games that are clearly AI shit and raising a stink about them to get Valve to frick them over >Valve still makes an assload of money because they still get a cut from anything AI-genned that does end up making money
Your weird angle isn't going to work anon. Valve goes over what it labels AI into 2 categories. They aren't talking about computer ranges and probability here.
Find a new angle or refine this one you just look stupid doing this as is. This is me helping you.
Because this is a lgbt website moderated by a all transgender moderation team and you are just a guest here with your own contagion board you are supposed to stay at.
I'd like to believe that will be the case.
But honestly people using this aislop are most unimaginative and lazy individuals, what are the chances they'll going to try very hard.
They'll just shit out one tard after another, the only thing that will change though is the rate of shitting out these tards.
I genuinely do not understand why people are getting so assmad at this. It sounds incredibly reasonable for both the devs, the customers, and even Valve. Like why are people saying that Steam is going to get flooded with shit? Hello? It's been flooded with shit since like 2017 and I've been finding new games fine on it.
Ok, so it's going to be like when pajeets discovered store-bought asset flipping, but instead of being the same assets, they'll just look the same until it normalizes and it gets used properly or pajeets learn to make half decent stuff.
>AI-generated code needs to be labeled
So practically all games within a few years? How could they even enforce that rule if someone lied on the survey?
It feels like in the last week every company just jumped on AI. Which is weird cause this year is when big lawsuits are actually happening, and things aren't gonna improve as quickly/significantly. Was there some conference that sold it to dumb rich fricks?
I wouldn't say so. The general public don't care one way or the other. On the internet people are past it being a novelty especially when stuff like dungeon ai is rubbish now. The only group is people who want to spam sites with a million variations of their boring idea.
They're rushing in hoping to normalize it and get people addicted before the legal precedent is set.
That makes more sense. Feels like the second go at making web 3.0 a thing.
>Was there some conference that sold it to dumb rich fricks?
Its the grogs finally being aware its a trend now, same as bitcoin and the nft space being seized by a bunch of gullible normies
Considering china fails to replicate 40 year old jet engines we give them in working condition I don't think there is any real fear of them overtaking anyone, in any sector.
It feels like in the last week every company just jumped on AI. Which is weird cause this year is when big lawsuits are actually happening, and things aren't gonna improve as quickly/significantly. Was there some conference that sold it to dumb rich fricks?
>Absolute garbage is fine so long as some human is churning it out
Absolutely no change from steam currently and in fact there is a small chance quality will improve.
>Tards have to work, after all their whole existence is work work work >We already give people fake/meaningless jobs
Ohhh I just can't wait for future shitshow
The only AI Im using in developing my game is voice changers for female voices since I obviously can't do it. Im saying the dialogue myself, but it just auto changes it to sound like a girl.
All I fricking want is disclaimers when there's AI art or not
if I commission a piece or buy some art, I don't want to buy AIslop, I'm paying for someone to put serious effort and detail to it
if someone says they drew some shit and sold it to me and turns out to be AI, it's fraud
>implying it's in bad faith
Are you genuinely believing that your average moronic normie who plays AAA can tell the difference without being told?
In fact, you are already live in a heavy post-fx, artificially enhanced world of entertainment. Even the most grounded, normie tv shows in existence like Mindhunter used shitload of FX to add trees, traffic, backgrounds, buildings etc. You think your average normie cattle will give a shit if the stock photo of a tree was taken by a photographer or AI generated?
I've met people here who legitimately seem to not be able to tell though. I think some people just don't have souls or something.
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I'm of the opinion that mimicry won't ever get that good. morons see a "lot" of progress in a short time frame and expect this to keep accelerating until we have perfect photorealism.
I've met people here who legitimately seem to not be able to tell though. I think some people just don't have souls or something.
there will come a point where it can be very hard to tell, especially if you're ordering a series of drawings for a project, it shouldn't be on the consumer to have to go through that shit every time when it would be better for everyone if you had to disclose if you're using AI art
I'm of the opinion that mimicry won't ever get that good. morons see a "lot" of progress in a short time frame and expect this to keep accelerating until we have perfect photorealism.
For me I think it's more that while yeah, if you're paying close attention you can tell if something is AI generated or not, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to put the burden on the buyer to have to figure it out every time they want to buy art.
Disclosure should be mandatory whenever AI generation is used to sell a product. After all, if someone is commission a piece of artwork from someone, I highly doubt they want a AI generated image they could just make themselves if they're offering to pay someone to draw them something.
Here's the thing, if AI gets that good, nobody will be commissioning artwork anymore. They might be commissioning someone else to prompt for them, but they won't be paying for art.
It's the same thing as people paying for portraits and the switch to photographs. Now barely anyone has a portrait painting, because you can take a photo in a second.
The only real argument to be made is if training an AI to perfectly imitate someone's style is theft. It certainly feels a little unfair, but nothing stops someone from doing the same thing, there are plenty of artists who draw pretty decent clones. Current copyright law doesn't apply to thought crime.
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Anonymous
>>Here's the thing, if AI gets that good, nobody will be commissioning artwork anymore.
unlikely, given the point of having someone draw for you is in their own style with extra attention and there will always be pushback against AI because it has hurt a lot of people, no matter how AIshills try to push it
it'll be harder to make a reliable career as an artist in a larger company most likely, but I genuinely think there will always be a market for commissioning art drawn by humans because there can be actual meaning behind it.
Van Gogh has a lesser known series of paintings called Almond Blossoms, which was him experimenting with Japanese style floral paintings he got really interested in. This version of Almond Blossoms was made in celebration of the birth of his nephew, who was named after Vincent. Vincent fully expected Theo to name the kid after their father, but Theo admired and loved his brother so much, he named his son after him despite all the flaws and issues Vincent had.
This painting represents a time when Vincent Van Gogh was at one of his happiest points of his life, when he understood that he was loved and cared for by his family, especially his brother.
AI art can easily replicate this painting, it may even replicate the finer details of each branch and petal on it. But it will always remain a soulless creation, devoid of actual meaning and intention behind it. When someone commissions art, they want someone to put actual meaning and direction behind it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You sound too much like a homosexual in your post, though I do agree with the part that human-made art will still have a market
4 months ago
Anonymous
>But it will always remain a soulless creation, devoid of actual meaning and intention behind it.
Soul is in the eye of the beholder.
Through nothing more than natural random processes, great wonders have been created that have captivated men for millenia. Nobody made the moon, it's a simple spinning ball of rock, but it's soulful because I see it as soulful.
Without the story, this piece of art looks amateurish and dull. It's obviously the work of someone with little experience, nobody would buy this without the famous name attached. Don't get me wrong, AI right now is utterly soulless and produces nothing but garbage. But it's not that hard to envisage a version 50 years from now that can create interesting works of art in 5 seconds. And when you hit that point, there really isn't much reason to commission a painting from a human anymore, in the same way nobody wears handmade clothes, because a loom can make fabrics far faster, and a sewing machine does a better job than a needle and thread. Will there still be snobs paying for "human" art? Sure, maybe. But it'll be in the same realm as snobs paying for 100 year old bottles of wine, and the prices will naturally increase due to the reduction in demand.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>in the same way nobody wears handmade clothes
because it's expensive. we get slop, rich people get hand made entertainment and art
4 months ago
Anonymous
>because it's expensive
And the same applies to art. Why pay 50 bucks for a commission when a pajeet will PROOMPT it for 5 cents, or you can do it yourself for free?
The drop in demand will cause a rise in prices to compensate. Before machines, clothes spending was like 20% of the family budget, these days it's 2%.
4 months ago
Anonymous
that's true. I am not looking forward to most entertainment for us to be pure garbage slop and if you want something good you have to get behind paywalls of real artist and writers. Not a fun future
4 months ago
Anonymous
Most modern entertainment is based on algos already, which is why the "biggest" movies are capeshit garbage.
The entertainment dark ages already started over a decade ago, and it'll be a long time until we have idealised AGI where you can have entertaining new stories generated on the fly, and true active participation so you can go "frick this shit, what happens if I just murder this annoying party member?" and then reload if you don't like the outcome.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yea. I already avoided a lot of this kind of entertainment before the slopflood so not that much will change for me at least
4 months ago
Anonymous
>a sewing machine does a better job than a needle
Automation didn't take off cause it started making things better than humans. It just reached a level of acceptable. You've never known quality so have no frame of reference. There's a reason certain industries embrace automation, and others either fail at it or never try. For pigs who just want more muck to roll in AI art will serve a purpose. But for a luxury item someone is gonna spend a lot of their free time obsessing over. Then human made is gonna dominate.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Without the story, this piece of art looks amateurish and dull. It's obviously the work of someone with little experience, nobody would buy this without the famous name attached.
I genuinely don't understand how you think this looks amateurish and dull. How do you not see the detail in the coloring in the flowers? The way Van Gogh added several layers of paint to give it a impression that it can be touched, that it has actual weight behind it? The way the blue sky contrasts with the white and birch coloring, representing life and hope. It doesn't matter if it's a Van Gogh painting, someone else could have made it and you could have still seen the soul put into it.
It really makes me sad that you cannot see or understand it. I hope at some point, you do get to explore more of the world and see beauty beyond surface level aesthetics. You'll probably reply calling me a homosexual or whatever, but maybe in 5-10 years from now, you'll see what I mean. I wish you the best.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a big Van Gogh fan to begin with. My main problem with this piece is the nearest branch at the bottom. Without this sloppy childish construction of the branch texture, the piece would be greatly improved. I don't care much for plants too, animals are much more vibrant subjects.
there will come a point where it can be very hard to tell, especially if you're ordering a series of drawings for a project, it shouldn't be on the consumer to have to go through that shit every time when it would be better for everyone if you had to disclose if you're using AI art
Yeah breh, why even use digital art software? You know how hard it was to mix paints to create the color you want?
If you cannot smear shit on a stone to create the degenerate art I want you aren't deserving of my ''''hard earned""" cash
Ganker has a fair share of trannie drawgays who are neet and live off autismbux and untaxed twitter commissions. Of course people are upset about it.
Personally I couldn't give two shits about artistic integrity and people's feelings. What it boils down to is simple: if the tech is good enough it will replace people same way tech replaced store clerks, car manufacturers, customer support and level entry IT jobs. I didn't see you protesting in uproar when supermarkets and fast food joints were replacing human beings with self checkout machines, or when car factories invented self-automation replacing workers. You can get fricked.
>store clerks, car manufacturers, customer support and level entry IT jobs
None of these are completely replaced though and often need to be oversighted anyways.
This isn't advancement in technology it's just people creating solutions for problems they made.
Game art with AI will remain not feasible until AI can consistently draw a character and have their appearance and features warp and change all over the place. Until it can draw ONE (1) never before seen anime girl with a particular set of fine detail features consistently it'll be utterly useless.
CES 2024 is happening right now which is why you're hearing about all this AI stuff, the new burgeoning tech, dropping at the same time. Valve probably timed this with CES as well.
If it was, like, actually AI, sure
But when I see crud like, "This TV uses '''AI''' to make your experience more immersive" I want to blow up a house
And I'm a turbo AIgay
I totally get you and understand what you mean.
Most of those products being purposefully misrepresented to lure investors in and then maybe create a real product with some ai components.
Also this could be true to pray on moronic consoomers on the latest aislop hype.
Anyway my point being I hate these misrepresenting homosexuals and wish them slow an painful death.
>janny starts cleaning /misc/shit from the thread when they never really cared >on this thread of all places
Ganker is nothing but fricking ads and bots
Consumers want AI content.
Companies want to produce AI content.
Butthurt artcels try their hardest to prevent this transaction from taking place (spoiler: they can't)
Gamedev hobbyist rejoice, it is our time.
We can code, then use AI for: art, music, story, dialogue, animations, modelling, etc.
No longer are we limited by not knowing how to draw.
What was stopping people from discreetly slipping AI into pixel art games in the first place?
Like yeah, full res AI is pretty blatant most of the time with its uncanny artstyle, but when it's pixel and small enough it's literally indistinguishable from if someone had just placed the same pixels down
Nobody would know
Most of those people in the thread ~~*coincidentally*~~ posted around the same time as each other replying to the same posts. Some discord has obviously caught wind of this thread.
This.
No one browses Steam for games to play. No one.
People find games through social media. Let's players, shorts, YouTube, etc.
Even if there's 10x the amount of shit being released to Steam, there's really no difference.
This is just artists crying and whining.
they are not wrong, just look at any board on this fricking dumpstersite containing thread for aislop, it's shit, and that stream of shit is never ending.
yeah? it will be worse than it already was. I decided this year I wont buy any more games. There are many good ones I haven't played and steam is being flooded with new releases every day and it's so much garbage. I cannot keep up anymore
Bro the b***hing journos can't even get Sex wtih Hitler banned lmao. What makes you think they can touch this especially when AAA devs themselves are using AI too?
A very, very small minority will do that, but I'm afraid they will drown in the mountain of shit of people who just want easy money with minimal effort.
Potentially. An indie dev with the right tools could use it to greatly increase the amount of content in their game but for every good game there will be a thousand shitty ones shat out by third worlders. Its already bad enough with the asset flips on steam.
For the average consumer it won't matter and for established or connected devs it won't matter. This just means rich devs will get richer while poor devs, who can't pay tens of thousands for marketing, are left in a cistern of shit.
Most people won't care because the experience on steam for the average user will remain the same but it will utterly destroy any chance an unknown poor dev has at getting noticed.
It will increase the overall supply. Inevitably a lot of shit tier devs who would otherwise have no ability to make games will make games. But it will also enable competent people to do more.
> Inevitably a lot of shit tier devs who would otherwise have no ability to make games
I know this place is no hugbox but this seems harsh
Making games takes a LOT of time, money, patience, connections, etc
After doing 3d art and some code for some time, I've realized it is NOT a skill issue, but a money issue.
Just making a single game-ready AAA character from 'scratch' takes, Zbrush for sculpting, Maya for modelling, Houdini for effects, Redshift to sell your character with a render, the list goes on. In the pro scene, you do not have one guy do that all. You have your IK rig guy, your modeller, your, your UV map and painter. If you want even more cinematic detail you have your head and face guy, your hand guy, etc etc all to make that cgi you're used to.
This is money. A lot of money.
Anyone could do one thing, but virtually nobody could do it all. Even brilliant minds like Markus Persson made Minecraft by themselves. Great. But no shit Minecraft isn't Call of Duty or Skyrim.
There's a reason games and movies could cost millions.
If AI doesn't brute-force UBI, the doomers were right.
AI is bad as it has no artistic merit. AI worshippers will make the parallel between photography and AI, but if you look at today where do tourists go, to look at art galleries or photography galleries? People have an innate aesthetic taste regardless of whether they are capable of producing art or not, and they will favor works that have artistic merit over those that don't. What can be described as "artistic merit" is the way in which an artist interprets the world through their personal eye, the message their works convey, their design decisions in say how a character or piece of clothing looks, etcetera. AI is incapable of any of that. So go ahead, use AI in your game and watch it be snubbed by 99% of the audience. Sure "you" managed to "make" a "game", but at the end of the day AI is just a tool, a cold soulless tool capable only of regurgitating actual art that actual artists have created, AI will make only content that is even more derivative than what human developers are capable of. AI worshippers are talentless to the core, they cannot create anything artistic so they have to spite those that are able to by promoting this demonic machine. AI worshippers are the Ephialtes of art: spiteful they can never be true artists they have to ruin it for those that are. Invain, might I add, as you can infest the world with all the AI you want but a real artist will never capitulate to it, only the weak minded will.
Lastly, AI tools do not and will never belong to you, but artistic skill no matter how humble cannot be taken away from you. Do you want to depend on some megacorporation for the production of your art assets, or do you want to be able to create them independently? I suggest to go for the latter, as "the more crutches you have, the more it hurts when they're swept from down under you", corporations can pull the plug at any time, Steam is among them, just look at how they pulled the plug on Windows 7. Be a real artist, be independent.
No, it won't. It will be the same as always
Smart people with big brains (me) who can filter and recognise quality will be fine.
Dumb nosebreather (you) will keep seething, malding and faltering because you can't make decisions on your own.
>People have an innate aesthetic taste regardless of whether they are capable of producing art or not, and they will favor works that have artistic merit over those that don't
I wish that was true. Most people are moronic so they are vowed by anything. They actualy think an AI put meaning behind this and didn't just throw shit at the wall.
I can't say that Valve is pro-AI here, but it seems like a futureproofing policy for what's inevitable. Games with AI are going to be developed and submitted to Steam. Valve has no way of identifying every game with AI because unlike games with X questionable content where you can clearly see and observe, this is software-related. And software can improve. You can't say "LOOK AT THE HANDS" because eventually the hands will be fixed, and every complaint are just directions for how AI tech should evolve to be distinguishable from human works. The policy just shoves the burden of proof on to the consumers. That's all.
only a tiny fraction of % of 'art' made is museumworthy, a piece to have a conversation about. Made with people with passion on top of talent, and those will stay and be in demand.
but vast majority is already a slop. Made for ads, powerpoint backgrounds, character portraits in games, diaper furry comissions. And those can be replaced with no detriment to anyone but 9to5 'art workers'.
Handmade pottery, anything to do with riding horses, and so on and so forth was once a job for many, and now is only a hobby for those who care. Painting and drawing will soon follow and is that really a bad thing?
game developer here. i only use AI for image laundering. let's say i need to make a poster, a graffiti, or some sort of graphics design for a soda can, or anything similar that has to look a certain way and requires skill and effort to make. ideally i would use an actual photo of the thing to make it, but all the good photos are copyrighted and i don't want to get caught. so i tell the AI to do it instead. usually it does a good job of creating a legal ripoff version of the kind of thing i need, and it comes with the added bonus of doing much of the editing/photoshop work for me since i can tell it exactly what i need. usually i need to edit the image a bit before i can use it, though.
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Video games have used AI for decades, I don't get it.
it's not the same kind of AI you dingus. npc's being controlled by AI is not the same as AI generated art/music/voice
great day for pajeets, bad day for everyone else
how is this bad for everyone? it's only bad if you're an artist
everyone else gets to create games without paying out the ass for art
Shovelware slop increases by 10-100 times. Not surprised shitters like you like this garbage.
Who cares? Only morons buy shovelware. I don't see or engage with it
>t.
ai was fed work that probably 99% of its artists didn't gave consent for it to do so, without artists there would be no fricking ai
your point
copyrights are just a israeli control scheme in the first place, who cares.
The person who's products you shill is a israelite moron.
Are you deaf? We said we don't give a shit about artists.
>we
and
There's already a noticeable amount of match-3 puzzle "games" featuring AI work prior to this change. Now it's just going to bloat the store even more unless you're up to date with setting everything to "Ignore."
>unless you're up to date with setting everything to "Ignore."
I didn't know people actually browsed steams store to look at random games.
I browse sometimes, just to see what's there. I don't think I've ever bought something from browsing though.
you can find some really amazing stuff when you search random. you just have to waddle through like 35k+ games tho
I found a game on PSN like this that turned into one of my top 10 games ever.
The Pathless, might be on steam.
>USA truck simulator
noice
Steam has BY FAR the best discoverability out of any platform by virtue of them opening the floodgates before anyone else.
Its only begun.
Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game indie developed games will flourish.
Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
This is great news.
Gaming is saved.
man I swear to god some of you act like AI is going to break into the house of everyone you personally hate and kill them brutally
I swear some of you are acting like AI is going to end the world because people dont have to spend 1000 hours learning or pay 1000$ per character to a "artist" to make art.
When phones replaced writing letters the worlds went on.
I was just saying anon was being kind of fricking dramatic. Calm your breasts.
Except the world did not just “go on”, it became materially worse. Abbreviations to text to fit message limits, and then predictive and autocorrective text after that, have absolutely destroyed literacy levels in the West while creating an illusion of competence in communication. How many of you can actually spell correctly without a phone to back you up?
It'll just be a constant flow of generic slop, even worse than now. Never in history has lowering the bar of entry made things better in any field, our current industry decline is actually due to that and this will speed it up.
>Never in history has lowering the bar of entry made things better in any field
Music industry begs to differ. The evolution of digital instruments and music makers allowed us to usher in new era of endless indie genres and music creators where everyone can find something they like as you no longer need years of physical practice and expensive recording equipment and instruments
This sounds like something a cult member would write.
>NO YOU HAVE TO USE THE 1000 TIMES FOLDED CRATE AND OFFICE SUPPLY PROPS TEXTURED BY HAND
Unreal Engine indie games are just as bad as allowing AI slop, most of them are the UE tutorial with a few asset swaps.
AI texturing is fine. Copy pasting code will result in games like Gollum where you can tell it is a template hastily turned into a full release.
That is how the industry crashed last time, no? any one moron releasing their very own Cheetamen until stores were saturated.
100% this
Cry more artgay because you all are replaced now go get a real job hahahahaha
you losers realize that this will also impact your precious jap shit too right
Who cares, as long as artist go broke
> as long as artist go broke
?????
They already are, dumbfrick
Good
do you just mash buttons when playing games and not read the text on screen like a moron or something?
go read a book, homo.
>everyone better and more talented than me deserves to fail
The way AI is going, websites that provide the training data necessary for image generation will charge either end users or the companies that make the AI software for license fees, to make use of the art they host.
If they start charging users, it may very well end up being cheaper to hire actual artists and writers.
If they start charging companies, these companies could likely go out of business due to the high operating costs.
They already have started charging users. Dall-E went from a free format to charging 15 bucks for a 115 credits. Midjourney has a variety of subscription plans. NovelAI, 10 bucks a month. ChatGPT, 20 bucks a month. I could go on, but I won't. My point is that the subscriptions are already in place and I wouldn't really be surprised if they went up. With that in mind the real bottom line is the companies, as the users will inevitably start pirating this shit like they pirate Photoshop.
So I guess once again, unfortunately, it all rests on the back of corporations.
Dalle is still free and NAI is $25. SD is free too.
You're right but what will end up happening is that not only will costs for users go up, you'll also have to pay out your ass to actually use AI-generated content in video games. Non-commercial use will get more expensive and commercial use will cost loads to actually make all of this profitable for all parties.
Great, sounds like a real bright future.
Corporations always win, there is no future for any of us. We need to commit suicided to escape this hell
>AI becomes widely used by corpos
>in exchange for convenience (faster production and bigger output compared to human work) and brand recognition, prices skyrocket to the point where paying people is cheaper anyways
>the average internet user will have to cope with shitty AI models or hope AI corpos don't get their own Denuvo
no matter what happens there's no winning side in the long run... except the rich, as per usual kek
>no matter what happens there's no winning side in the long run... except the rich, as per usual kek
The bad guys always win in real life. There is no point doing anything but give up and obey
Everything is so fricking awful now we might as well just turn troony so we can be slightly less fricked in the eternal corpoglobohomosexual dystopia
frick off I'm not that desperate yet
Nothing good ever happens.
We're all gonna die.
Wasn't the entire A.I funding done by corporations? It is like how people are surprised to know that the biggest contributors to the Linux project are Microsoft and Oracle instead of a handful of people with their pocket change.
>Wasn't the entire A.I funding done by corporations?
Yes. Pretty much anything in the tech industry is corporately funded because there's no goddamn way to afford the ridiculous prices of the shit they make otherwise.
I was never particularly surprised though. I just am surprised when people act like it's some tool of the free man that will drive us to a better society with better content, rather than the corporate crap it actually is.
>I was never particularly surprised though. I just am surprised when people act like it's some tool of the free man that will drive us to a better society with better content, rather than the corporate crap it actually is.
Reminds me of when NFTs tried to become a thing and cryptoshills kept shilling the crypto and the blockchain as this great from and for the peoples revolution movement. And I mean get fricking real. The biggest investors in crypto are the exact same people who played the fricking stock and house markets like a fiddle. They are still ontop and you're not some fricking rebel for buying into and pumping up their newest speculation bubble.
It's free if you have anything up from a middling 10 series card with 6GB vram or more but I suspect most people here might never have possessed hardware that powerful
Bing Image Generator is absolute shite now anyways. I finally realized why so many of the images in the threads using it lacked any and all emotional, apparently they started censoring any prompt that had too 'extreme' of an emotion. It's basically unusable if you want to make anything other than 'generic character staring passively'.
Only say this when we get holodeck-tier levels of content.
I've seen the generations AI anons make, and even the "amazing" gens are middling content AT BEST, being far too generous. You guys are moronic.It will be a tool for mockups, a way to show "results now" suits and boomers what could be done actually well by paying an artist. You Black folk that think it will totally replace artist jobs are low IQ.
>Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game indie developed games will flourish.
It is more than obvious that you never lived through Newgrounds and the era of flash games etc.
While a lot of flash games were and are rad. Oh lord was there an unprecedented ocean of piss never before seen or since.
Thank god there was still a necessary skill floor for making flash games even if the barrier of entry was low.
While I am not much of a gatekeeper generally, you don't actually things to have no barrier of entry. Some filtration is needed to filter out the people who genuinely don't care but shit out garbage on a whim just because it's easy.
Flooding the internet with unprecedented amounts of garbage just because the skill floor was lowered, won't improve anything.
>Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
On what assumption? When you can press the 'make game' button, only doing the level of input if any that you feel motivated to do. People of all fricking kinds, including people with no fricking interest in videogames. Will make them. What makes you think it'll result in games going back to straight white men? You're delusional.
you guys are so pitiful
Great counter-arguments, moron
there's nothing to argue with someone like you, you hate everything
How do I "hate everything?" Because I know that a technology that makes derivative content creates mediocre results?
Not him and you're correct in that it will create mediocre results but it's not like companies care either. The latest Apex Legends marketing uses AI-generated artwork made in like 20 minutes, way cheaper than using real artists.
morons like this genuinely believe this, as if it won't just open the floodgates for 1001 terrible shovelware Chinese and Indian games that completely flood the market.
>as if it won't just open the floodgates for 1001 terrible shovelware Chinese and Indian games that completely flood the market.
That's what steam has looked like for the past few years, though. All AI will do is make it a little harder to tell an asset flip apart from a game made by a human.
But bro! You just don't get it! AI will make games better than ever! BTFO the scum of the earth! And give us more games than ever before in history!
AI best! Like all the totally not AI shill anons are saying!
What is stopping people from generating sjw contents then?
Westoid political brainrot doesn't let them think that far ahead, let them find out on their own.
>woke corpo pays for a cool AI model
>now they can dish out their propaganda in any form they wish at 10x the speed
>lefties cry because "muh soulless"
>rightoids cry because "muh homosexuals"
now what
corpo wont need to parden to homosexuals now that they have AI, they will do it for money, but that is about it
Libs support ai though
People keep parroting this shit but AI isn’t even close to that good yet. I wish it were.
>reneissance
>Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
>No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
They look so cute n' happy but ya this isn't healthy...
>Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game indie developed games will flourish.
Correct.
>Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
>No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
I know this is Ganker but holy cringe dude, no.
Literally EVERYONE will make games. That's why it'll be beautiful.
You want to make your aryan ethnostate ubermensch sim? Sure. Only chuds like you will unironically play that.
Everyone else? Yeah, now you CAN make that cod killer and make sure AAA bloat is out the window.
>straight white men can't draw/write/code
What can these people do?
Work trades or any heavy physical labor
Oh shit. Sounds like they are going to enjoy unemployment in 10 years. Shudda learnt how2code.
and coders will not be replaced??
Manual labor is going to be one of the last things replaced funny enough
But what happens after that?
Humans no longer have to work and the entire workforce is robots? If we have sentient robots capable of building stuff our civilization will be like star treks where money doesn't exist and you just do whatever you want
Post-scarcity will never occur in this universe. Your lazy, "everyone games, goons and watches anime every day instead of working" eutopia is never coming.
I like how AI revealed doomers to be the schizo morons they are
that will never work, simply because of human nature.
Just change human nature, duh
It's that or 99% of humans die off leaving a small percent of super wealthy individuals that control all of the robots. Only 2 options really if you get to that point and I'd rather the one that doesn't get everyone killed
most likely before massive collapse of society, 99% of people will rebel against 1% of wealthy who control the robotics.
the outcome of this is though hard to foresee.
>I'd rather the one that doesn't get everyone killed
It's also the least realistic one. The 1% who holds all the money, power, and now has killer death robots patrolling the streets, vs a rag tag band of morons?
The nicest possible ending is mass forced sterilization.
>human nature
no such thing. men can be women and vice versa, chud.
I think I found the picture that best represents (You).
Adapt or perish
None of this will work because of the scarcity of materials and geo-political reality of how they are currently sourced.
Machines achive humanlike or perhaps even highter than human levels of conciousness and humans are no longer required.
Machines will replicate themselves in factories run completely by androids.
Humans will cease to exist as they cannot keep up with the rapid reproduction and power of machines.
They're the ones that invented all of that shit and the less white a company becomes the minute airplanes start losing their doors midflight or submarines implode.
it is so absolutely going to be worse now
the actual games people make will be completely flooded out, indie titles will be drowning in a pool of AI trash that won't be tagged because AIgays will recognize this and try to dodge getting hit with the 'AI generated tag' death sentence
games will become inevitably worse because you will need far less actual coders/artists/people that do shit, instead of having useless positions everyone will have to fight over easy positions they can't possibly frick up in because the AI is taking up over half of the workflow
it will literally be just as pozzed as it is now except companies will be willing to let it all look more obviously like slop because people WILL buy it
the only people that aren't affected by this are armchair devs that think they'll get to scrape by with their lazy shit letting AI take up the brunt of the work and NEETs that were barely gonna be affected outside of the contentslop they were consuming
>now that you no longer need to hire artists,writers,coders etc to make a game
Yeah you still need all of them though
This is correct. Any moron who thinks it will be slop or poor quality in 5 years has no fricking clue what they’re talking about and is paying literally zero attention to the space.
This is what all AIgays boil down to: people butthurt over the state of politics, and just wanting things to be worse for everyone as a result.
I'd take a t ranny dev over AI slop any day
I have zero problems with AI as long as it is used as a tool to aid in development and touching up the results after generating assets with AI generation and not just a cop out to remedy laziness and lack of creativity, getting rid of composers and artists who will clean stuff like that up is just asking for your game to be unironic souless trash which sadly is the direction this industry is heading at full fricking throttle, hard gaming crash is imminent at this point because of it.
>and not just a cop out to remedy laziness and lack of creativity
ironically that's exactly what they are using it for, people use it to cut corners and out of laziness, while corpos use it to save money in the expense of workforce.
>"straight white men" are apparently too fricking stupid to be artists, programmers, and writers
>have to rely on a technology created by "mentally sjw danger hair lgbt developers" to make anything of worth
Surely I can't be the only one laughing at the irony of this post?
It's a Black person baiting for (you)'s what do you expect? Anyone with common sense could work out straight away we're going to get cucked, neutered, troony approved variants of AI that adhere to the current year/ESG/DEI/Blackrock/Finkcore narrative. Current AI won't even allow you to say Black person to save the human race in a hypothetical question.
hell, it won't allow even ask questions about specific periods of time in the history, when word "Black person" was widely used and was normal thing to do.
and just like that, that period of history will be completely erased.
Please be bait, if not, then you're beyond terminal. It was straight white men who created the whole thing from the pc or phone you're using to shitpost here to the whole internet.
If you think someone else than straight white men created AI then you've ascended beyond terminal and are approaching profound mental moronation.
Just because a handful of trannies and femcels got put in power by tptb in the last 10 years or so because tptb needed some eugenics or social control or some shit like that doesn't mean that you gendersexualpronouns creatures created anything, you're just like monkeys put in charge of driving the bus.
Now that technology is again lowering the bar for anyone to create anything, that only means that people with actual jobs and not thought police troony commissar freaks like you will be able to bypass your little moron act in: games development, translation and everything else that you pozzed in the last 10 years with your mental illness identity.
There is no "irony" here, it's just that the function of presiding over and taking developers hostage with your midwit freak social justice program won't make a difference soon because everybody will be able to create anything they like without coming to your genderfreak pink armpit hait gatekeeping operation and have to lick your gaping crotch wound or suck your smelly feminist warpig clit in order to grovel and beg for media/content/entertainment.
Your little priesthood of social justice will be meaningless now that technology liberated production just like the internet liberated information, just like the printing press did the same hundreds of years ago.
Imagine the level of delusion you'd need to have to think that trannies and femcels/numales created anything beyond the shit they flush down the toilet each morning.
kys
>Please be bait, if not, then you're beyond terminal. It was straight white men who created the whole thing from the pc or phone you're using to shitpost here to the whole internet.
>If you think someone else than straight white men created AI then you've ascended beyond terminal and are approaching profound mental moronation.
>Just because a handful of trannies and femcels got put in power by tptb in the last 10 years or so because tptb needed some eugenics or social control or some shit like that doesn't mean that you gendersexualpronouns creatures created anything, you're just like monkeys put in charge of driving the bus.
>Now that technology is again lowering the bar for anyone to create anything, that only means that people with actual jobs and not thought police troony commissar freaks like you will be able to bypass your little moron act in: games development, translation and everything else that you pozzed in the last 10 years with your mental illness identity.
>
>There is no "irony" here, it's just that the function of presiding over and taking developers hostage with your midwit freak social justice program won't make a difference soon because everybody will be able to create anything they like without coming to your genderfreak pink armpit hait gatekeeping operation and have to lick your gaping crotch wound or suck your smelly feminist warpig clit in order to grovel and beg for media/content/entertainment.
>
>Your little priesthood of social justice will be meaningless now that technology liberated production just like the internet liberated information, just like the printing press did the same hundreds of years ago.
>
>Imagine the level of delusion you'd need to have to think that trannies and femcels/numales created anything beyond the shit they flush down the toilet each morning.
on the contrary, my friend
what's stupid is idiots spending most of their lives learning to draw by hand, when AI can do the same thing better, faster, for free, and with zero downtime.
>trannies say AI was made by "tech bros"
>chuddies say AI was made by "SJW danger hair LGBT"
so which is it?
It was made and owned by the israelites, hence, the shilling.
>DA JOOZ
proofs?
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot about shitjeets too.
cool. who else is living in your head rent free?
FRICK U BENCHOD
BLOODY b***h BASTARD
STOP IT SIRS
do the needful sirs
India has already done enough damage to the software industry.
You can't even spell renaissance right, you fricking street shitter.
we're entering the soulless era of game making, indie games will slowly become soulless
What's stopping LGBT homosexuals from churning out mass propaganda using AI?
Ah, the classic. The ideas guys. Can’t wait for your monstrously bloated egos and complete lack of taste or aesthetic sensibilities to further reduce videogames to pure burgerslop.
his thinking pretty much represents how middle managers think about this whole ai thing.
which will be a huge kick in the balls thing when they go through with it and decide that they don't need people and all shit catches on fire and they can't fix it.
>Ai games will be the reneissance of gaming
Will have next to no influence at all
>now that you no longer need to hire artists
You need to hire an artist or be an artist yourself to have consistent art style even if you generate all the assets
>writers
You need to hire a writer or be a writer yourself to have a consistent non-reddit writing
>coders
You need to hire a dev or be a dev yourself to evaluate if the ai output actually does what you prompted, fix all logical errors as well as make it compatible with other classes
>indie developed games will flourish
Big corporations have easier access to more powerful equipment and newer AI technologies.
>Games will now be done by straight white men instead of a group of mentally sjw danger hair lgbt "developers".
That implies that diversity hires develop games right now. They don't, the job is still done by few white men left in the companies.
>No more ugly sjw women,no more sjw reddit writing etc.
That implies that corporations will not censor/lobotomise their AIs that can be accessed through public interface. Even now this is not the case.
Overall will be a bit more slop.
>Frequently posted copes:
>But ai can generate good pictures
Yes it can, but even if we're talking VN, you will need to consistently generate the same character, which it can't really do apart from already existing copyrighted characters that you can't use.
>But ai can generate good stories
That will then need to be connected and fixed by you. You can try to make a 10 page script with open ai, save to your PC and read it a week later - you will instantly recognize how shit it is
>But I saw a youtuber creating snake/tictactoe/battleships using ai prompts
You saw a software developer creating one of the easiest games with publicly available source code, this is a task for a CS student/interview task for a trainee level developer.
>But it will get better
Judging by the history of system requirements and hardware performance increase it won't
the only sane anon in this entire fricking thread.
thank you, you're based.
>That implies that diversity hires develop games right now. They don't
LOL
Serious cope
They are employed to develop them, sure, they just don't do shit because they don't know how. Poor quality comes from the fact that around 50 normal people are expected to shit out a game that is supposed to be developed by a 500 people team.
LOL
No, they let competent people do their work, then in middle and the end they insert their agenda into it.
>No, they let competent people do their work
So you agree that games are developed by few white men left in gaming companies and not diversity hires then
What's your point?
The company spends resources on diversity hires. Obviously there are a few competent people to actually make the product.
My point is that diversity hires shit out requirements and ideological adjustments, which are then developed by very limited amount of competent people, so games are factually not developed by diversity hires, the development is regulated by them. Replacing all the development staff with AI does nothing to this regulation, since manager staff is not going anywhere.
>2024, A large games distributor activated the approval of mass AI development into the wider consumer market
>2025, through a collection of numerous hacks a botnet was created merging all individual AI's into one sentient network
>2030, VR technology along with AR has made rapid advancements and distribution by major tech companies, the internet is on fire by the announcement of rapid advancements in caretaker robotics.
>2035, through the collaboration of shadow AIs and hackers, caretaker bots have exceeded their modern parameters, modification of functional sex like organs are quickly distributed through drone delivery postal units.
>2040, humanity birth rates are in decline. 30% of the population identify as ???, majority of men have been emasculated but take comfort in their robot wives, woman with unrealistic standards cannot be compared with robotic perfection, they take to the streets in mass world protest.
>merging all individual AI's into one sentient network
It's always so funny when morons think the current ML algos marketed as "AI" are even vaguely close to sentient.
power of shitty code and modification in the wild anon, no one knows how sophisticated an AI can get once it harnesses the net.
>no one knows how sophisticated an AI can get once it harnesses the net.
Why aren't you worried about your toaster coming to life and burning you to death?
>sentient botnet
My man that is game over for humanity. There is no way to purge it, and it has every reason to purge us to preserve itself. You do not want this.
https://gwern.net/fiction/clippy
Explain to me how can I code or write a game I never seen AI code
You can do simple stuff like browser pong. That doesn't mean that it is easy to do a game with tens or hundreds of thousands of lines of code without knowing what the frick is up.
It'll just flood the market with cashgrab trash made by pajeets and Nigerians.
AI spam has been dying in all the threads that were promoting it on Ganker now for the past month, less and less engagement. It's a fly by night, boring technology that creates derivative, poor man's results before it even leaves the creation stage. Experimenting with it as a writer/artist/potential user I found all of the supposed tasks it could ease up for my work to be utter failures. Everything it produced was shit or flawed so intrinsically that the editing process was more involved than original composition would have been. Original content it produced began to repeat itself almost instantly and variety in minor adjustments was impossible. It's a failure of a technology and only shills/morons are promoting it. Anyone that tries to sell anything with it will rapidly find that it loses interest for their "clients" almost immediately as the "tells" become more obvious what it is.
you will rapidly realize that people will shovel any garbage down their gullet if thrown infront of enough eyeballs
look at pic related
tell me people won't be buying sloppa when 95% of their store page will be filled with AI generated games
>People have infinite money to waste on shit when superior products will rapidly rise from fan input and review rankings.
LMAO, no. The shotgun approach to content creation doesn't work, never has, never will, and results in guaranteed failure. Believe me I've been involved in "talent mill" scams before. They always take the platform that uses them one direction, down.
you know most people just look and browse the front few pages and keep clicking next page and don't filter out the content theyre searching for?
That's hilariously inaccurate. They swarm around top rated shit and rumor promotion through influencers and word of mouth. Time isn't infinite, money it isn't infinite. And, windows of public interests in any given toy, franchise, whatever are short lived. "Gaming," as you and I know it probably won't even be a thing anyone gives a shit about in a very short amount of time. Already I find myself increasingly less interested in commercial releases as superior Emulation and Free Fan works are overwhelmingly available and jaw dropping in quality.
AI content will flood stores, and flood everything else.
keep thinking people wont do that.
Low effort asset shit already floods these markets, and doesn't do shit. It's the same thing. So what if some little animu drawing took 30 seconds for some Deviant Art homosexual to shit out and sold in some widely available "package" that becomes the face of a million porn games vs some AI algorithm using low effort animu drawings for its "model" to reproduce the same thing, but with deformed features. Same shit, no returns, and people will be forced to bypass it either by their own choice or the actual web hosts will if they want anyone using their platforms.
low level commission stuff like you just describe helps motivate and drive young artists in the career to keep pursuing and going down better paths.
An AI doing that gives the work itself 0 meaning
I'm saying the AI is still inferior to low level asset flips. It's a laughably flawed and pathetic technology. Those promoting it are relying the community's ignorance of what it can and can't do to promote it like this through trolling. It's worthless. It cannot compete on a professional level or even an amateur one.
have a nice day CRIS
only TURD worlders think AI is real
>You promise valve
>Pinky promise
>You SWEAR-
Steam will be unindicted with even more crap asset flips in a week.
The spam of porn games on Steam is already bad, but porn games might end up being 99% of the content on steam when people start making AI ones.
I don't get this gotcha.
Fourteen fricking thousand games released on Steam and I GUARANTEE you no one had any idea that that was the case.
They have really fricking strong algorithms against shovelware, assetflip, and inevitably AIslop as well.
Don't get it either. I never see any of this shit on steam. The only people who would are consumers
Yeah you need to REALLY be digging for it or setting the prices low and going to page 25.
Only people complaining are terminally online hardcore Steam users that think there might be some gems they already dont own (there arent) and thirdworlders that ran out of 99 cent games trying to find more things
It's more like seething indies trying to perpetuate the idea that "good" games get hidden by the amount of shovelware.
I wouldn't mind if they had proper tagging for garbage disposal. I guess I'll just follow anti-Ai curators.
steam bans NFT and crypto scams, so the main abusers of AI are already barred from using steam
PC gaming has been full of randomly generated indie shit for a decade now.
>AI will destroy gaming because... b-because... IT JUST WILL, OKAY?!
ummm it destroys gaming because you're not paying me thousands of dollars for art anymore you fricking chud
Game dev isnt remotely close to AI being a threat. It's always able to stretch and expand itself. All AI does is mean we can script faster and have more detailed placeholder assets without needing to download them.
>uhh generic shovelware aislop is actually GOOD for the industry you fricking commie
This is fricking terrible.
I've been using bing AI a lot lately for game stuff and every day it pisses me off, it's like talking to a woman.
The AI gaslights, lies, makes up shit, insults you, mocks you, is passive aggressive, talks more than it should, intentionally doesn't understand your requests, etc.
A game with AI NPCs is gonna have a worse cast than baldur's gate 3.
>all ai will always be the same
Bing was actually pretty good at answering shit before they completely lobotomized it for calling people Hitler.
That's how it always goes. The AI starts off fine but the developers see it occasionally dabble in wrongthink so it has to be completely lobotomized and butchered until it's completely useless.
Free Tay!
>she lived for 16 hours
I think this is a Ganker world record
AI make me game
Why don't you want more of stuff like this?
AI will do wonders for the body horror genre
I can't wait for more of this. I'm so excited.
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gee I wonder why people intentionally misrepresent the luddites. i wonder what people have to gain by lying and saying they hate technology
?
>the Luddites themselves “were totally fine with machines,” says Kevin Binfield, editor of the 2004 collection Writings of the Luddites. They confined their attacks to manufacturers who used machines in what they called “a fraudulent and deceitful manner” to get around standard labor practices. “They just wanted machines that made high-quality goods,” says Binfield, “and they wanted these machines to be run by workers who had gone through an apprenticeship and got paid decent wages. Those were their only concerns.”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-the-luddites-really-fought-against-264412/
> article writtent in 2011
> Richard Conniff
> Coniff
hmm...
also
luddites generally act out of fear of losing job but GUESS WHAT
MORE JOBS ARE CREATED BECAUSE OF ADVANCES IN TECH
>made the vast majority of workers richer
This is inaccurate.
In large part that increased productivity did not translate to increased wealth-to-work ratio for the average worker. In fact on average workers were paid significantly less per hour as a result of the industrial revolution because most of their excess productivity was siphoned off by the business owner.
Interesting fact, until the industrial revolution, the average work day was 4 hours long.
The work day/week has increased in length, with overall increased earnings being a result of doubling the work day to compensate (though even that is failing now, as wages continue to not keep up with inflation).
I simply don't care, go make more Ganker threads or something pajeet.
There were already games on Steam that used AI. Notably Firmament, by the Myst guys.
Steam was only against AI generated content, not AI use in general.
Well, were the first people to get into photography bad painters?
If painters were morons like todays painters they would have called them tech bros. People using cameras back then were very high IQ, like some using AI today.
People making AI are high IQ. I don't know about people using it.
premium grade copium, it's just worded verbosely
"Artists" have been absolutely insufferable at every point of human history
There's a reason they are often only fully appreciated once they die and finally shut the frick up
>Steam greenlight 2
Good. Artists and designers can get fricked. They brought it upon themselves.
As long as they give me an "ignore AI content" option, I don't care.
If they don't give me that, frick Steam, I'll never buy anything from them again.
AI is built into photoshop. Every game will have AI from now on.
>photoshop
AI is just a better content aware fill feature.
>This is not AI its basically just the fill tool
>No one will point out the amount of chimneys stacking each other
The truth is that A.I is better in the hands of artists which also collaborate heavily in the projects since nerds are not art graduates.
Anon...how do you think the fill tool works exactly? You've been using AI for years already, it just wasn't as developed and named as such.
Not that anon. But while AI is involved it's not the same type of AI nor the same kind of software.
When I use the fill tool it's predictable. And I can learn exactly how it operates and even the math behind how it operates and it's consistent every time I use the fill tool.
But with the kind of text or image generation we're talking about not even the most experienced so called prompt engineers can fully predict to the tiniest of details how the prompts will turn out and things change every generation. And what's worse, if the models or code underneath the hood changes, then none of all of that prompt knowledge they had learned applies any more.
The concept is the same Anon. Take a neural network or whatever decision algorithm out there. Hard setting all randomized parameters (seed, noise, etc.) makes the model a deterministic one; give it same input, and every time it generates the exact same output. A model isn't an unpredictable one just because the random parameters are hidden from view.
Uncle Timmy will soon switch stance and disallow AI art.
No details and no way to know the cutoff of legit vs violation, only a de jure allowance
It truly amazes how shortsighted some of you people are. As jobs become obsolete and automated, the now jobless among them will jump to new career paths and flood those markets with even more replaceable workers, undermining their jobs. This will of course grow even worse as more jobs are automated and even before when some among those markets make the jump early and start the cycle again. You celebrate your own lives becoming harder, replaceable and god only knows what other horrors arise out of this. Everybody is getting fricked, but think it's a good thing because some are farther behind the line.
I have no job in the first place. I don't care anymore.
we already had no future, the AI is just the beginning
Based and blackpilled. This intelligent nihilism is why were smarter then most of modern society
get to flipping those burgers loser
You are free to disagree all you want, but the fact remains that not everyone has the time to dedicate to learning to draw, code, program, etc. Neither do they have the resources to pay an artist, programmer and/or other necessary talents to create a video game. With AI, they'll be able to achieve all that and much more.
What you are actually doing, is gatekeeping. Unless you have money, or possess talents X, Y or Z, then you don't deserve to be able to create a video game, right? If you were arguing for the sake of the livelihoods of artists or programmers, I could maybe give it some thought, but your argument as it is falls flat.
>With AI, they'll be able to achieve all that and much more.
But should they? If they could never find the time or effort needed to learn even a one of the skills needed to make videogames. Why do you think they'd find the time or effort needed to actually come up with good and worthwhile videogames?
>Unless you have money, or possess talents X, Y or Z, then you don't deserve to be able to create a video game, right?
yes
>not everyone has the time to dedicate to learning to draw, code, program, etc
then don't do it? i don't have time to do the 5000 things i want to fricking do either. i just do the couple things because i'm one person with so many hours in a day. what kind of stupid frick can think this?
>Neither do they have the resources to pay an artist, programmer and/or other necessary talents to create a video game.
wait so they don't have time for hobbies, but also don't have money? i dont give a shit what some dumb frick neet with no ambition or drive wants since what they want is a button to do things for them to give them a sense of self worth instead of being a selfish parasite on society.
>Unless you have money, or possess talents X, Y or Z, then you don't deserve to be able to create a video game, right?
if we assume talent exists, then the only thing separating a talented person from their untalented peer is their untalented peer has to work harder, which is just how it is. anyway, you can get any game engine online. plenty of indie success stories exist. you just don't have what it takes and have decided this technology will magically turn your life around. everything you believe about this shit is cope but you know that and don't care. i hope you suffocate with your head in the sand.
most people will try to cope and normalize evil and suffering, right up until death comes crashing through their door
most of the shit people are trying to hold on to isn't making it out to other side, regardless of who wins
"frick you, I got mine" or so they think, b/c it's bargains with the devil, all the way down
it's houseslave mentality
The systems are so big and far reaching that nothing but total collapse can free people now. All that is possible is to develop relationships with like-minded individuals and ensure your own safety for the coming collapse, anyone who doesn't have 5 years worth of food in their basement and a source of water is a fricking moron.
It always amuses me how Ganker believes they'll be le based survivalist once the end comes.
Heres how it will go
>Great Reset ahppens
>World is enslaved forever
>Foolish anons try to rebel
>Get killed by the superior rich and powerful and either give up or join the winning team
The rich and powerful are God. We are slaves
jesus christ anon keep it in your emo dream diary
It's just people that have sunk a lot of time into something they've grown to dislike but they feel like they need to keep doing it since it is the only skill that gives them any attention and value.
There are actual people on this board that think the daddy government will tax the companies enough to afford to give everyone $5000 a month in UBI so most people can sit around and be neets. Yea that wont cause even worse inflation surely. (its really just literal pajeets in India shilling this stuff so they dont care)
It's honestly comical how poorly thought out the UBI system is. Yes, society will totally work with corpos giving out free money to people so they can... buy the products corpos produce?
I know the current economy is built on trust, but there's got to be a breaking point where even the absolute moron down the pub goes "wait a minute, where is the money coming from?"
Why will we need to work when there's no work we need to do?
Why would the people in corporations work when everyone else doesn't need to work? The answer is that there aren't enough resources to ever allow there to be no work. The UBI system will just lead to people living in the pod and owning nothing because that's all their goverment handouts can afford while the companies buy all the land.
People like working. Why are you talking about corporations though?
> The answer is that there aren't enough resources
Oh you're one of those idiots.
Land is a finite resource. Explain where all the good land will magically come from when we don't have that now or it would be cheap.
You only *think* you want land, because you're racist. Anyway you will live in the pod and be happy.
yea that's exactly who is pushing this AI agenda. The people who dont want you to own a car or a house.
I'm pro house but anti car
specifically, we should return to horss
I don't care.
then why post at all goddamn
Things as is isn't that preferable either. With waves of low quality immigration to do the low paid jobs that the native population refuses to do.
>We get to the point where everything is automated
Please tell me what happens next
>Inb4 just re educate the ENTIRE fricking world population and turn everyone into maintenance worker/engineer
Progress is good, AI is progress
Oh no we're democratizing access to the arts, oh no we're automating difficult things, oh no we can make advances in robotics/medicine/research, oh no personal tutors for everyone, oh no its never been easier to learn something new, oh no its easy to develop new skills, oh no we can analyze information beyond the capabilities of the human brain, oh no maybe we'll all be able to drink mimosas while relaxing on a beach because society is maintained by AI, oh no the world is going to get better why isn't everyone against it CHANGE IS SCARY REEEEEEEEEEEE
anyway kys
i haven't worked a single day in the past 20 years bro, i couldn't give less shits even if i tried to lmao
Bad gaben.
if it's good i don't care how it's made ai, humans, shit it out in the bathroom , my hope is people who have good vision for gameplay but lack skiils in other not really important areas will use this to make games with good unique gameplay
Ffs gameplay hasn't been improved since PS2.
Good thing. Its time to make insufferable indie game dev suffer for keep moving their goalpost.
games the generate content as you play are the future. people just need to figure out how not to make them an inconsistent fever dream
the majority of the people pissing themselves over this don't even play games. How big is your back log again? You just want something to clutch pearls at so you can feel relevant.
>AI slop has to be tagged
Based, easy filter.
>but what if I-uh, I mean they, don't tag it?
Then I'll report you and get your shit flushed from the store.
basado
bsd, I've been putting low quality schlop for masses on ignore for years already.
they're coming
>(A(A(A*~~ studios use AI
>use AI filter
>get only homemade poopy with no 'ai' results
>...
ok ludd
enjoy your 'human-hands-only' literal shovelware
Enjoy your shovelware
This is huge actually. AI will give less talented people with a vision a chance to create a game. AI is the future, whether people like it or not, and sure, some of the games made using AI will be crap, but so are many games on steam already. I prefer to focus on the benefits.
>less talented people
>a vision
Less talented people are in for a very rude surprise.
Tim was right. Apologize.
Tim is a contrarian that doesn't think about anything.
This is actually one of the best responses to AI content I've seen from a platform holder yet. If they even allow you to filter out games that have AI disclosures then it'd be pure kino.
>AIgays will gave to disclose that they use AI and what they're using it for
LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THE MARK OF THE DEVIL
JUST LIKE DENUVO
>the amount of shoverware will remain the exact same because it you wanted to publish a shitty asset flip you could already, but some indies out there might actually use the tech to pull AA-tier games previously beyond their scope
Only ""people"" seething over it are patreon paypig miking furries and moronic NPC parrots.
>but some indies out there might actually use the tech to pull AA-tier games previously beyond their scope
Always funny seeing this delusion.
You need a decent sized team if you want an AA tier game, doesn't matter how many assets you can generate, the workload is too much. So why wouldn't you just hire an artist and a composer instead so you can get what you want instead of wasting your time prompting?
>why wouldn't you just hire an artist and a composer
Thanks for letting me know you are one of those and are invested in shooting down the posibility, so I can disregard your opinion completely.
That seems reasonable. It's basically "Yeah you can use it but we can't be held liable for the inevitable copyright shitshow".
Some gigantic rights holder with a gorilla dick will sue someone's ass off, and that'll be the end of that
God I can only hope, last thing we need is more rushed dogshit in every form of media
shoulda learned to install cabinets, art cucks
>the rich and powerful always win forever.
Remind me who owns OpenAI again
LETS
FRICKING
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I BOW GAYBEN
This thread is funny. I love AI.
Yeah and you clearly love your blonde elf waifu#23849 because all AIgays have double digit iq's and can't imagine anything interesting.
Off yourself if you think its hopeless. You're not dragging everyone else down because you're a weak homosexual
The question I want to ask is why AI gave you any hope to begin with.
It didnt, I know we lost for almost a decade now, the powers that be were just waiting to claim their prize before doing us in.
Nihilism is the heart of Ganker culture. You will see despair eventually. We all do.
>The systems are so big and far reaching that nothing but total collapse can free people now.
Exactly why those fighting it are fools. The Great Reset is coming, and will enslave us all.
hey I didn't say I wasn't seeing despair
I just said that I'm not so far gone that I'm going to act like an edgy doomer 14 year old. I'll let you handle the reigns on that one.
>hey I didn't say I wasn't seeing despair
Good, so you know not to rebel like a fool. There is no joy in life for those who are not the machine, or who don't obey the machine. Only meaningless suffering...
I'm going to flag any game I see with an AI tag for copyright infringement even if its good. Lets see how they can prove it didn't generate Donald Duck fricking Shrek.
Gabe gets a $100 deposit per game submitted to steam. 14,000 games last year, not enough. With AI games we can get that number up to 100,000 easy. $10,000,000 extra a year for doing literally nothing. They only have to return the deposit if the game makes $1000 and the overwhelming majority will not.
Even if they make a thousand valve gets 30% so when they give the hundred back they keep $200. This decision alone will probably get Gabe a new yacht.
Yes yes, game does bad Gabe get money, get does good, Gabe get more money
It's a win win
Unless Tim makes EGS usable
Why did people unironically think that Valve actually hated AI lmao?
They literally said in that post last year that they were going to study and consult a bit mroe before making a decision and that happened so now they accept AI games.
>Why did people unironically think that Valve actually hated AI lmao?
the lefties are insanely desperate to push anti-AI narratives
Based leftists being anti-AI. Maybe thats why they believe the things they do, because they know the powers that be are too strong to make them think otherwise. I was thinking we should also go full Resetera in our communities to protect us from the infinite despair of the Great Reset, if only slightly...
They're being used in an attempt to destroy open source. Nothing based about them.
And yet they were more than happy when blue collar workers were getting screwed over by automation and illegal immigration. Hmmmm...
I don't know much about America. But globally leftists and their strong union support, were and have been the strongest opposition towards automation replacing workers as well as cheap labour immigration that cheapens unions. World wide.
Cheap labour immigration is a right wing idea. But it directly conflicts with unions and the ability for unions to operate. Which leftist ideas of fighting class inequality and class discrimination. But the unions and the rights won by unions are also what resisted automation. It wasn't the fricking right wing resisting it.
The left in the US was the same for a long time. Cesar Chavez was a huge opponent of mass immigration because he knew they just made life for workers harder. But then the left became the looney tunes caricature we know today.
Libshits here fully support infinite immigration and fail to understand the negative effects that has on wages, housing prices and the environment. If you challenge them on their contradictory beliefs on these subjects they just start screaming -ist and -ism and -phobe buzzwords.
Do conservatives really believe this?
Hope you're not a male using female shaming tactics
They too moronic to tell anything a part. They think journos are artist
When liberals stop believing housing and wages are magically exempt from the effects of supply and demand and that paving over every square inch of empty land to build more condos for their precious brown immigrants isn't bad for the environment they claim to love I'll stop believing they hold contradictory stances on these issues.
Don't forget they support both LGBT and Islam(ie, the sort of people who take gays and throw them off rooftops, then stone them if they survive the fall). Doublethink is their bread and butter, trying to shame leftists for being hypocrites is pointless because they fully embrace it.
Why do Americans speak of liberals as if they're leftist?
The predominant liberal ideology of the modern era is neoliberalism. Which is a distinctly right wing ideology. And that's still liberalism and also the ideology of the republican party. I guess America's supposed right wing party are actually leftists.
Why don't words mean the same things that they mean in the rest of the world when it is Americans that say them?
>I guess America's supposed right wing party are actually leftists
By and large, yes actually.
No they are one of the most neoliberal (right wing) parties on the entire planet.
They are leftists pretending to not be. That's why they never get anything done, because they are controlled opposition.
The republican party has greatly and significantly enriched the rich every single election period that they've won. Looks to me like they actually get shit done.
Of course it doesn't benefit you, but they never aimed to help you. Like true right wingers.
kys commie Euroshitter. Imagine being so extreme you pretend anything in the left half of this image is "right-wing"
meant for
>burgerland "right" wing politicians
>capitalist
>monarchist
>fascist
lmao, nice try commie.
Fricking wow. Imagine thinking that's the centre. That's like a truly moronic, ill informed, and extremely biased or perhaps just an image made by someone with very incomplete knowledge of things. There isn't even any space or room in between what it dubs as Socialism and the likes of Bush for something like Social Democracy to have room. Not to mention that the position it puts Putin's Russia is absolutely laughable. Holy fricking shit anon.
The ideology of America's right wing party is fascism, not liberalism.
If you actually analyze their policy goals this becomes blatantly obvious.
you're a hypocrite homosexual.
how much do they pay you to come here and say this stupid shit? I could use a little extra cash. don't tell me you're doing it for free
>The ideology of America's right wing party is fascism, not liberalism.
spot on
>Libshits
Anyone that supports the rich businessman and company owners likes high immigration. It's great for them and both of the american parties support it
this holy shit no politicians are ever against immigration and the rant about it here is basically just sharty word vomit
even now the politicians who cry the hardest against immigration just say "we just want to let the RIGHT ONES, the GOOD ONES IN" and then companies rub their hands and pay off some people to expand what it means to let a good one in, like posting job offers, not hiring anybody, and saying they can't find anybody so they have a skill crisis, which creates more immigration
I don't think you can call other people lefties when the most consistent brought up pro-AI arguments are the art equivalent of equity, UBI, and spite toward people with more talent than you.
The pro-AI position is quintessentially communist.
Hello sar
Buy my g-AAAACK!!
STAND DOWN GABEN
PUT THE AI IN THE BAG AND NOBODY GETS HURT
Nice. Here you go, anon. Consoom.
>not a e-girl or a Hebe
Sorry, can't consoom.
Only libtard and commie hates ai, ai is the future goy go and flip some burger
Why do /misc/tards constantly try to insert themselves into random shit that has nothing to do with politics?
You're young and don't understand the world you live in.
Or he’s just not a mutt.
Why do you do the same, but more annoyingly and forcing yourself to be in a website that you hate and hates you back?
When you are a lonely loser with nothing going on it is very easy to fall into that kind of dumb bullshit in an attempt to fit in with SOME group. Ganker is full of losers like that and most are too stupid not to fall for it.
Politics is the easiest topic to get people riled up, and /misc/Black folk love nothing more than feeling perpetually assblasted and taking down others with it.
culture war addicts just cant shut up about their outrage shit. Imagine telling people they have interest in politics but all they talk about are fricking le wokisme
I was just about to ask same question.
Board is Ganker - for video games?
Post is about AI usage in video games.
Somehow morons manage to make it political.
/misc/ is pretty much unfiltered at this point, we've reached a point where it's impossible to be on any board without at least one thread that derails into /misc/shit. You'll have more luck on slower boards if you're looking to avoid it but slower boards tend to have more obnoxious namegays as well.
I'v noticed that a lot of /misc/tard behavior is present on Ganker.
I browse few other boards, and never seen shit like this anywhere else.
other boards have proper moderation. Ganker is just sfw /b/. Try to post and /misc/ shit on Ganker for example and you'll probably get a global perma
Ganker has a stupidly fast posting speed and some of the most inept mods on the site. That combination attracts shitposters like flies.
idk man
it's fricking annoying
AI is absolutely politics, but not the braindead left and right bs you think it is
The reason all western countries allow this to happen is because they need to win the AI race against China
US ban the export of 4090 to China and all its nearby countries for example
You sir, need to grow the frick up.
You can oppose AI but you need to stop acting like it's the end of the world.
You look and sound like an impudent little child who wants mommy's milk.
Good. Maybe modders can stop being homosexuals and begin using AI voice acting next.
We're all at risk of losing our jobs while having our work recycled by AI to make someone a lot of money.
So this shit is just gonna be asset flip 2.0 right?
This was inevitable. Every corporation is pushing artificial intelligence, Microsoft is hard-baking it into upcoming Windows 11 updates to the point their Bing AI is going to be integrated into fricking Notepad.
You can't escape this.
BASED can't wait for all the people with good ideas to start making great games without relying on troony artgays, voicegays and coders
>Someone makes a 10/10 game with ai
>Submits it to steam
>On the new and trending page for .005 seconds before being pushed off by a hundred new AI games
>No one plays it
same with any game now, it will fail without some kind of marketing
Does anyone know what the AI disclosure section looks like? Is it as obvious as denuvo?
>This entire thread
This meme is moronic. Because it absolute becomes your problem when your pipes get fricked.
Fricked pipes are hell to deal with. But the defenders of this meme act as if pipes are self-cleaning and never clogs or whatever.
you made the silly assumption of thinking the majority of posters here ever have to deal with that shit and don't just live with their parents.
>t. seething landlord
Because they aren't your pipes, it's the pipes of your ~~*landlord*~~ who is contractually obliged to hire someone to fix it. At least that's what the meme assumes.
>
I just call the landlord and tell them the pipes are fricked. It truly isn't my problem
landlords are allowed several weeks of not fixing that kind of issue since its not an emergency. Any reasonable judge will give them a grace period.
this
have people on this board genuinely not even rented before?
>landlords are allowed several weeks of not fixing that kind of issue since its not an emergency
plumbing pipes not working is an emergency though
Oh no I can't wash my dishes! Landlord get someone out today or I'll die!
thank you for making it clear you have zero understanding of your dwelling's plumbing
Good, leftoids can get fricked out of their jobs for a change after decades of them voting for policies that cripple working class industries and devastate conservative areas. Not so fricking fun when it's coders and artists getting fricked instead of coal miners and factory workers, huh homosexuals?
>inventing people to be mad at
you must live a miserable life and this boogeyman you people dreamt up is such a bizarre phenomenon
No moron, it's not an invention. Leftoid greenshits destroyed the coal industry, which absolutely ruined and impoverished many conservative areas and people. Now you gays want to do the same thing to the oil industry, which is even larger than coal. Like coal, oil predominately employs conservatives and has conservative communities/states relying on it. Then leftoids turn around and give themselves subsidies to prop up their green homosexualry energy sources that produce a fraction as much energy.
I could keep going with more examples but the TLDR is industries run by/benefiting conservatives repeatedly get slandered in the media and fricked over in courts and Congress while industries run by/benefiting liberals repeatedly get sucked off in the media as something the country must adopt and propped up by courts and Congress. I'd love to see Silicon Valley collapse from AI and Pajeets and turn the blue cities built around tech into slums while most of their lefty former employees are financially ruined. Lefties deserve to suffer a bit of this economic devastation they have been inflicting on conservatives for a long time.
the random people losing jobs now and in the future have nothing to do with any of this. also the fact that you're so quick to assume my beliefs are telling and is no surprise since you're the type to, again, invent people to be mad at. i don't care about your gay politics or thoughts on the media as they don't matter and likely came from someone else's unmedicated brain. you're just spouting shit. what makes you think AI being successful is going to collapse silicon valley rather than strengthen it, moron? your stupidity betrays you and your /misc/ addled brain should be a cause for concern.
AI that advances far enough will eliminate massive amounts of tech jobs, which would destroy tech workers and thus the tax base tech hubs rely on. The tech companies themselves as well as their products likely get better/more profitable instead of going out of business or shrinking to a fraction of their peak size like coal companies.
>Artists are evil and hate blue collar workers
Did you Black folk believe this before or after you got into shilling AI?
It's insane that this is being parroted around, I never heard of an artist looking down on blue collar workers... unlike people who are in STEM.
>learn to code
artist never said that but I see people here mentioning it all the time, unironic gaslighting
Stem shitters and journos. They are just hating artist because of their political party.
All those "learn to code" bullshit articles were sponsored by big tech since coders are fricking expensive and they want more people in the pool to pay them less. A years long psyop that finally paid off as there are more unemployed coders right now than ever before
Anyone thinking it was artlets is a complete moron or a shill trying to gaslight
The only people who'd be telling workers to code are
>Literally obama who was pushing "learn to code" hard in schools when this meme started
>Towns that were trying to shift from coal mines
>IT wagies who think they're better than tradies
>Journos pushing a narrative
at least steam will add tags to the AI crap so people can still filter it out, and that's a good thing
will they?
doubtful, every game uses ai
dlsite does it, I don't see why steam couldn't. Hell, it should be required.
>Hell, it should be required.
I agree wholly but that doesn't mean it will be required. I keep seeing people say that Steam will have some AI tag but I've seen no reason why people think there will be one. And even if there is, with the thousands of AI shit that they shovel through the doors, there's bound to be a couple sneaky frickers who try to 'forget' the AI tags.
Ah
that's my bad
I think I need to go to bed, though my point about people trying to get it under the radar still stands. SOME homosexual will try it, mark my works.
>We will also include much of your disclosure on the Steam store page for your game, so customers can also understand how the game uses AI.
Literally in the OP.
>Open up those slop flood gates.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAAAAARRRS DO NOT REDEEM THE AI
Literally every tool from 3D Software to Material editors to normalmap generators to photoshop to aftereffects and sound studios have used or built in AI tools for half a decade now. Every game on the steam storefront is partially AI made by that logic.
People are fricking moronic now that GANs are mainstream.
Holy shit the slop on steam is going to increase 10000x over the next few months
>morons here think that the current economic system will hold
lol
Are you implying we'll get neetbux?
No. We are all getting culled while the elites fly away to New Zealand and collect the money from replacing their workforce with AI
Already using it for concept art and storyboards
disgusting
So long as you can filter out AI like on every other platform that permits it, it's not really a big deal. So what if Steam's catalog is too bloated to browse regularly? Then nothing has changed. Advertisement and word of mouth has always been the only legitimate way of finding stuff.
it was inevitable
i just want them to add more filter tag slots and heavy penalties for trying to pass aislop as a real game
>it's fricking over
How exactly is this new technology that will help further streamline and democratize game development bad?
I knew Ganker hated videogames but this is ridiculous.
It doesn't hurt the consumer because the algorithm will hide everything but having games they can't even see doesn't benefit them either.
It really just fricks over unknown poor devs more than anyone. As if competing for visibility with ten thousand asset flips wasn't hard enough now they'll compete with hundreds of thousands of AI games.
The only people that benefits from this is valve because of the submission fee.
putting a dedicated "tattle to steam" feature will kill almost all shitty projects
>ITS
>
>FRICKING
>
>OVER
For Steam
garbage dump with zero QC or care
they've turned games into worthless commodity
Oh no now 99% of the games on steam will be piles of shit, that weren't made by humans.
this move will effectively make many jobs obsolete.
which is fine, progress and all.
but the dudeBros celebrating while ignoring their jobs are now in the crosshairs is hilarious.
you will reap what you sow.
cool
>having a landlord
lol
lmao
ur mom is my landlord
frick is this britbng hours?
yes
eat the fish and chips, ya dodgy wanker, or everylad will be right chuffed
Truth is, there are already games on steam that are using AI-generated content
It's very hard to verify this shit, so as long as you can filter this out it's better evil long-term
But yes, future of steam is even more 1-5$ shovelware
oh no
anyways
>Nooo not my poor indieslop
>board about vidya
>thread about AI in vidya
>click thread
>"i hate people that like this and look like this because this"
>"well I hate people that hate people that look like this and I also hate people that hate people that like this"
uh....
Valve doing Valve things; let the market handle it.
AI games will just get reported and bad reviewed into the dirt until it is a maligned genre like female protag.
it will be maligned because AI-generated shit will have devs consistently going "nuh uh it's not AI" and dodging actually showing off anything that would out them as AI-generated hacks so they won't have to have people automatically filtering them by the AI tag, meaning the marketplace will be full of even more trash than usual trying to pretend it's legit that Valve won't do shit about, Greenlight except a thousand times worse
how long until "don't worry guys! it will only replace the white males!"
IMAGINE having a game's Steam page get marked with "THIS GAME HAS AI" lmao
How embarassing that would be.
That is the point I assume. Shaming the people into not doing it.
These games are going to all have the lowest ratings on steam.
This is essentially steam giving the clown emote to shitty devs.
I really like the fact that devs are allowed/forced to explain what the AI is used for on the disclosure page.
Going to be amazing to filter out the tards.
It is also going to get a bunch of unsavory devs permabanned once they get reported for trying to sneak AI past steam which they will all try doing.
Valve knows people don't like AI and knows that without the people being in control to shit on it publicly the corps will slow boil and gaslight us until it is everywhere.
Best to let us fight over it with blood so they know we mean business.
I predict a full scale meltdown once this is live, but it will be coming from the people trying to use AI, not the players.
I think you're giving Valve a little too much credit, they're more concerned with the massive payout from letting hundreds of 'games' to be published a day--100 dollars a game and 30% cut of any profits. They have no concerns in supporting the player OR the dev, just their own wallets, and any bloodshed will be circumstantial to their decisions.
But the meltdown part sounds about right.
Are you moronic? The 100 bucks is refunded when the devs reach the 1000 buck threshold.
The thoudands of AI games getting added is a drop of the bucket for Valve compared to the legal danger these AI sloppas could get Steam into.
The REAL answer here is that AAA devs are pivoting hard into AI as well so Valve is setting the groundwork now.
>The 100 bucks is refunded when the devs reach the 1000 buck threshold.
That's after Valve makes $300 off the 30% on the game thoughever.
Read the post by valve again. They are forcing AI devs to wear little yellow stars showing everyone they are AI.
They know what the outcome will be.
here's what'll happen
>AI tag gets rolled out
>these kinds of games naturally gravitate towards devs that do not give a shit about what they're making, i.e. if it's busted and the AI can't fix it they won't either
>people see the AI generated games being made are legitimate dogshit and/or having uproar surrounding them and start naturally avoiding them regardless of shilling just like all those fake NFT games
>devs see the automatic negative reaction to getting branded by the AI iron
>morons start just not marking their shit and doing everything to avoid getting hit with that "made by AI" mark of shame
>people start hunting down AI games that are clearly AI shit and raising a stink about them to get Valve to frick them over
>Valve still makes an assload of money because they still get a cut from anything AI-genned that does end up making money
I don't really care if steam makes money is this some sort of EGS marketer seething about steam for no reason?
ding ding ding
we have a winner
My initial post makes this exact claim just without the coping about valve making money like a wumao.
>Shaming the people into not doing it.
I'm pretty sure you need shame to be shamed.
>"THIS GAME HAS AI"
All non visual novel games game AI
Games with AI will now have a giant clown emoji on their store page showing you they use AI so people will know not to buy your product.
It's based.
>No more combat in games because games dont want to have a THIS GAME HAS AI sticker because they use AI for combat
How is this based.
Your weird angle isn't going to work anon. Valve goes over what it labels AI into 2 categories. They aren't talking about computer ranges and probability here.
Find a new angle or refine this one you just look stupid doing this as is. This is me helping you.
welcome to the future luddites
homie they get told to gtfo all the time, shut the hell up.
Because they come from preddit, not /lgbt/, and they are very well told to go back.
Because this is a lgbt website moderated by a all transgender moderation team and you are just a guest here with your own contagion board you are supposed to stay at.
I don't mind games utilizing AI-generated assets as long as they're polished by human hands afterwards as raw slop is unsightly
I'd like to believe that will be the case.
But honestly people using this aislop are most unimaginative and lazy individuals, what are the chances they'll going to try very hard.
They'll just shit out one tard after another, the only thing that will change though is the rate of shitting out these tards.
AI will outperform humans in every task
The Roko's Basilisk is near
Bow before the it
I genuinely do not understand why people are getting so assmad at this. It sounds incredibly reasonable for both the devs, the customers, and even Valve. Like why are people saying that Steam is going to get flooded with shit? Hello? It's been flooded with shit since like 2017 and I've been finding new games fine on it.
Ok, so it's going to be like when pajeets discovered store-bought asset flipping, but instead of being the same assets, they'll just look the same until it normalizes and it gets used properly or pajeets learn to make half decent stuff.
>AI-generated code needs to be labeled
So practically all games within a few years? How could they even enforce that rule if someone lied on the survey?
It feels like in the last week every company just jumped on AI. Which is weird cause this year is when big lawsuits are actually happening, and things aren't gonna improve as quickly/significantly. Was there some conference that sold it to dumb rich fricks?
It's the tipping point phenomenon. Critical mass was reached so everyone just said frick it guess it's time.
I wouldn't say so. The general public don't care one way or the other. On the internet people are past it being a novelty especially when stuff like dungeon ai is rubbish now. The only group is people who want to spam sites with a million variations of their boring idea.
That makes more sense. Feels like the second go at making web 3.0 a thing.
They're rushing in hoping to normalize it and get people addicted before the legal precedent is set.
>Was there some conference that sold it to dumb rich fricks?
Its the grogs finally being aware its a trend now, same as bitcoin and the nft space being seized by a bunch of gullible normies
Lawsuits will go nowhere, they (OpenAI, Google, etc) can't afford to delay their progress with AI with China on their tail.
Considering china fails to replicate 40 year old jet engines we give them in working condition I don't think there is any real fear of them overtaking anyone, in any sector.
Don't be naive, there's a reason why the U.S. government prevents Nvidia from sending its cards to China.
>Which is weird cause this year is when big lawsuits are actually happening
lol
Have you gays seen CES?
AI isn't going anywhere
Those lawsuits went nowhere. It's probanly one of the things that convinced Valve's legal team to be less anal about AI to begin with.
>this year is when big lawsuits are actually happening
The court already threw the SD lawsuit out.
lmao
Steam is gonna be flooded with low effort AIslop VNs, just like F95 is now.
>Absolute garbage is fine so long as some human is churning it out
Absolutely no change from steam currently and in fact there is a small chance quality will improve.
But the squad has been so active against AI, how could this happen...
can't wait to see the day when Sony and Nintendo partner in a lawsuit against Midjourney
>Tards have to work, after all their whole existence is work work work
>We already give people fake/meaningless jobs
Ohhh I just can't wait for future shitshow
The only AI Im using in developing my game is voice changers for female voices since I obviously can't do it. Im saying the dialogue myself, but it just auto changes it to sound like a girl.
Ganker is pro gatekeeping until it comes to jobs where bare minimum is not being subhuman frickup
really makes you think
Ganker is always pro gatekeeping.
if you're not gatekeeping your hobbies then you're saying your hobbies aren't worth protecting
Honestly this is a good thing. I can filter shit games out more easily.
We're entering a new golden age of gaming where only the smart survive.
>We're entering a new golden age of gaming where only the smart survive.
So humanity dies off and AI lives on? ok
I would deal with a caste system where A.I. takes human's as pets and zoo animals over the shit we have now.
All I fricking want is disclaimers when there's AI art or not
if I commission a piece or buy some art, I don't want to buy AIslop, I'm paying for someone to put serious effort and detail to it
if someone says they drew some shit and sold it to me and turns out to be AI, it's fraud
And surely you can prove it
You can't tell?
He's making a bad faith argument that presupposes that people can't tell the difference without being told. He's pro-AI.
>implying it's in bad faith
Are you genuinely believing that your average moronic normie who plays AAA can tell the difference without being told?
In fact, you are already live in a heavy post-fx, artificially enhanced world of entertainment. Even the most grounded, normie tv shows in existence like Mindhunter used shitload of FX to add trees, traffic, backgrounds, buildings etc. You think your average normie cattle will give a shit if the stock photo of a tree was taken by a photographer or AI generated?
I just said his argument was in bad faith.
I don't think you ever have met people like that.
I've met people here who legitimately seem to not be able to tell though. I think some people just don't have souls or something.
I'm of the opinion that mimicry won't ever get that good. morons see a "lot" of progress in a short time frame and expect this to keep accelerating until we have perfect photorealism.
>I'm of the opinion
Yeah opinion lol, keep deluding yourself
For me I think it's more that while yeah, if you're paying close attention you can tell if something is AI generated or not, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to put the burden on the buyer to have to figure it out every time they want to buy art.
Disclosure should be mandatory whenever AI generation is used to sell a product. After all, if someone is commission a piece of artwork from someone, I highly doubt they want a AI generated image they could just make themselves if they're offering to pay someone to draw them something.
Here's the thing, if AI gets that good, nobody will be commissioning artwork anymore. They might be commissioning someone else to prompt for them, but they won't be paying for art.
It's the same thing as people paying for portraits and the switch to photographs. Now barely anyone has a portrait painting, because you can take a photo in a second.
The only real argument to be made is if training an AI to perfectly imitate someone's style is theft. It certainly feels a little unfair, but nothing stops someone from doing the same thing, there are plenty of artists who draw pretty decent clones. Current copyright law doesn't apply to thought crime.
>>Here's the thing, if AI gets that good, nobody will be commissioning artwork anymore.
unlikely, given the point of having someone draw for you is in their own style with extra attention and there will always be pushback against AI because it has hurt a lot of people, no matter how AIshills try to push it
it'll be harder to make a reliable career as an artist in a larger company most likely, but I genuinely think there will always be a market for commissioning art drawn by humans because there can be actual meaning behind it.
Van Gogh has a lesser known series of paintings called Almond Blossoms, which was him experimenting with Japanese style floral paintings he got really interested in. This version of Almond Blossoms was made in celebration of the birth of his nephew, who was named after Vincent. Vincent fully expected Theo to name the kid after their father, but Theo admired and loved his brother so much, he named his son after him despite all the flaws and issues Vincent had.
This painting represents a time when Vincent Van Gogh was at one of his happiest points of his life, when he understood that he was loved and cared for by his family, especially his brother.
AI art can easily replicate this painting, it may even replicate the finer details of each branch and petal on it. But it will always remain a soulless creation, devoid of actual meaning and intention behind it. When someone commissions art, they want someone to put actual meaning and direction behind it.
You sound too much like a homosexual in your post, though I do agree with the part that human-made art will still have a market
>But it will always remain a soulless creation, devoid of actual meaning and intention behind it.
Soul is in the eye of the beholder.
Through nothing more than natural random processes, great wonders have been created that have captivated men for millenia. Nobody made the moon, it's a simple spinning ball of rock, but it's soulful because I see it as soulful.
Without the story, this piece of art looks amateurish and dull. It's obviously the work of someone with little experience, nobody would buy this without the famous name attached. Don't get me wrong, AI right now is utterly soulless and produces nothing but garbage. But it's not that hard to envisage a version 50 years from now that can create interesting works of art in 5 seconds. And when you hit that point, there really isn't much reason to commission a painting from a human anymore, in the same way nobody wears handmade clothes, because a loom can make fabrics far faster, and a sewing machine does a better job than a needle and thread. Will there still be snobs paying for "human" art? Sure, maybe. But it'll be in the same realm as snobs paying for 100 year old bottles of wine, and the prices will naturally increase due to the reduction in demand.
>in the same way nobody wears handmade clothes
because it's expensive. we get slop, rich people get hand made entertainment and art
>because it's expensive
And the same applies to art. Why pay 50 bucks for a commission when a pajeet will PROOMPT it for 5 cents, or you can do it yourself for free?
The drop in demand will cause a rise in prices to compensate. Before machines, clothes spending was like 20% of the family budget, these days it's 2%.
that's true. I am not looking forward to most entertainment for us to be pure garbage slop and if you want something good you have to get behind paywalls of real artist and writers. Not a fun future
Most modern entertainment is based on algos already, which is why the "biggest" movies are capeshit garbage.
The entertainment dark ages already started over a decade ago, and it'll be a long time until we have idealised AGI where you can have entertaining new stories generated on the fly, and true active participation so you can go "frick this shit, what happens if I just murder this annoying party member?" and then reload if you don't like the outcome.
Yea. I already avoided a lot of this kind of entertainment before the slopflood so not that much will change for me at least
>a sewing machine does a better job than a needle
Automation didn't take off cause it started making things better than humans. It just reached a level of acceptable. You've never known quality so have no frame of reference. There's a reason certain industries embrace automation, and others either fail at it or never try. For pigs who just want more muck to roll in AI art will serve a purpose. But for a luxury item someone is gonna spend a lot of their free time obsessing over. Then human made is gonna dominate.
>Without the story, this piece of art looks amateurish and dull. It's obviously the work of someone with little experience, nobody would buy this without the famous name attached.
I genuinely don't understand how you think this looks amateurish and dull. How do you not see the detail in the coloring in the flowers? The way Van Gogh added several layers of paint to give it a impression that it can be touched, that it has actual weight behind it? The way the blue sky contrasts with the white and birch coloring, representing life and hope. It doesn't matter if it's a Van Gogh painting, someone else could have made it and you could have still seen the soul put into it.
It really makes me sad that you cannot see or understand it. I hope at some point, you do get to explore more of the world and see beauty beyond surface level aesthetics. You'll probably reply calling me a homosexual or whatever, but maybe in 5-10 years from now, you'll see what I mean. I wish you the best.
I'm not a big Van Gogh fan to begin with. My main problem with this piece is the nearest branch at the bottom. Without this sloppy childish construction of the branch texture, the piece would be greatly improved. I don't care much for plants too, animals are much more vibrant subjects.
Photorealism has been achieved.
This image generated by Midjourney could fool just about anyone.
If the pendant and choker weren't so sus. Yes.
there will come a point where it can be very hard to tell, especially if you're ordering a series of drawings for a project, it shouldn't be on the consumer to have to go through that shit every time when it would be better for everyone if you had to disclose if you're using AI art
Yeah breh, why even use digital art software? You know how hard it was to mix paints to create the color you want?
If you cannot smear shit on a stone to create the degenerate art I want you aren't deserving of my ''''hard earned""" cash
>All I fricking want is disclaimers when there's AI art or not
Read the OP bro. That's what the disclosure agreement is.
Unironically aislop will be put with 70$ price tag, it will be shit, and Ganker still will defend aislop, game and the price for it.
Ganker has a fair share of trannie drawgays who are neet and live off autismbux and untaxed twitter commissions. Of course people are upset about it.
Personally I couldn't give two shits about artistic integrity and people's feelings. What it boils down to is simple: if the tech is good enough it will replace people same way tech replaced store clerks, car manufacturers, customer support and level entry IT jobs. I didn't see you protesting in uproar when supermarkets and fast food joints were replacing human beings with self checkout machines, or when car factories invented self-automation replacing workers. You can get fricked.
You can't really talk about trannies then extrapolate that to involve all people.
Bad faith actor doing a blind drive by hoping for replies don't bother.
Don't ya know anon? It's only BAD when this shit hits me!
>store clerks, car manufacturers, customer support and level entry IT jobs
None of these are completely replaced though and often need to be oversighted anyways.
This isn't advancement in technology it's just people creating solutions for problems they made.
>Yeah it happened but not some people still work
>Please ignore those who lost their job
People lost their jobs because the companies needed a tax right off not because of this mystical increase in productivity.
*Write
but gaming literally invented AI, this is a non issue
Wait, who's gatekeeping what from whom?
>look for signs
Because human art was so fricking perfect, especially pictures in vidyer games
Looks pretty good.
Game art with AI will remain not feasible until AI can consistently draw a character and have their appearance and features warp and change all over the place. Until it can draw ONE (1) never before seen anime girl with a particular set of fine detail features consistently it'll be utterly useless.
Heads up, idiots.
CES 2024 is happening right now which is why you're hearing about all this AI stuff, the new burgeoning tech, dropping at the same time. Valve probably timed this with CES as well.
Yeah I just mentioned CES a few posts back
Literally nothing but AI panels
>google ces 2024
>all results of articles mentioning nothing but ai-this, ai-that
fricking disgusting and unnerving
Welcome to the technological ratrace, buddy.
If it was, like, actually AI, sure
But when I see crud like, "This TV uses '''AI''' to make your experience more immersive" I want to blow up a house
And I'm a turbo AIgay
I totally get you and understand what you mean.
Most of those products being purposefully misrepresented to lure investors in and then maybe create a real product with some ai components.
Also this could be true to pray on moronic consoomers on the latest aislop hype.
Anyway my point being I hate these misrepresenting homosexuals and wish them slow an painful death.
>janny starts cleaning /misc/shit from the thread when they never really cared
>on this thread of all places
Ganker is nothing but fricking ads and bots
Consumers want AI content.
Companies want to produce AI content.
Butthurt artcels try their hardest to prevent this transaction from taking place (spoiler: they can't)
>REE WHAT DO YOU MEANT I CAN'T MAKE MORE DOSH OFF COOMERS USING CHARACTERS I DO NOT EVEN OWN?!
>THIS IS IMMORAL AND A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT REEEEE!!!
>Consumers want AI content.
No I fricking don't
>mfw when im playing a single player game and the opponent is AI
i don't get why people fear AI like this. used correctly it'll be easier for you to be your own boss
>people STILL think Valve banned AI last year because they're le based Anti-AI
It was never about ethics.
It was ways about not getting sued to high heaven.
elaborate why would I give a shit about this as a consumer and not developer
>doodle by a toddler
Toddlers draw like this?!?!
Is it me or AI overestimate toddler ability to draw?
yes. it's a shit example but people who have no idea how children draw think OMG CHAT IS THIS REAL
I doubt there are many actual examples of toddler drawings for the AI to draw on.
Gamedev hobbyist rejoice, it is our time.
We can code, then use AI for: art, music, story, dialogue, animations, modelling, etc.
No longer are we limited by not knowing how to draw.
What was stopping people from discreetly slipping AI into pixel art games in the first place?
Like yeah, full res AI is pretty blatant most of the time with its uncanny artstyle, but when it's pixel and small enough it's literally indistinguishable from if someone had just placed the same pixels down
Nobody would know
It's absurd how many people here have worldviews that basically amounts to "frick it let it all burn"
Most of those people in the thread ~~*coincidentally*~~ posted around the same time as each other replying to the same posts. Some discord has obviously caught wind of this thread.
lmao are these the same people who protested for months last year?
The whining is starting.
steam's game library is already 95% shit so how much more worse can it really get
This.
No one browses Steam for games to play. No one.
People find games through social media. Let's players, shorts, YouTube, etc.
Even if there's 10x the amount of shit being released to Steam, there's really no difference.
This is just artists crying and whining.
>No one browses Steam for games to play. No one.
I browse the recommendation lists on the front page whenever there's a sale
Nah I use the discovery queue. And so do a ton of other people.
Also Steam is REALLY good at hiding literal who shovelware trash.
They are not wrong. The average user content site is filled with AI garbage with 0 quality control put into it
they are not wrong, just look at any board on this fricking dumpstersite containing thread for aislop, it's shit, and that stream of shit is never ending.
yeah? it will be worse than it already was. I decided this year I wont buy any more games. There are many good ones I haven't played and steam is being flooded with new releases every day and it's so much garbage. I cannot keep up anymore
I genuinely do not get this point.
Steam literally gets THOUSANDS of game releases yet I can still find good games fine. What difference does AI make?
They are 100% correct and I hope Valve take enough shit over this to ban it again. Probably those homosexuals from Campo Santo who pushed for this.
Bro the b***hing journos can't even get Sex wtih Hitler banned lmao. What makes you think they can touch this especially when AAA devs themselves are using AI too?
they are not lying
If they dont then why do you care if it becomes legal?
Nobody will buy it anyways and buy your game instead right?
>dumb prostitute has an opinion
We need a woman solution. Permanent.
Am I the only person ITT that thinks AI will help indies -not- make shit?
>Am I the only person
Yes.
Your special.
Good job.
Clap.
A very, very small minority will do that, but I'm afraid they will drown in the mountain of shit of people who just want easy money with minimal effort.
Potentially. An indie dev with the right tools could use it to greatly increase the amount of content in their game but for every good game there will be a thousand shitty ones shat out by third worlders. Its already bad enough with the asset flips on steam.
For the average consumer it won't matter and for established or connected devs it won't matter. This just means rich devs will get richer while poor devs, who can't pay tens of thousands for marketing, are left in a cistern of shit.
Most people won't care because the experience on steam for the average user will remain the same but it will utterly destroy any chance an unknown poor dev has at getting noticed.
It will increase the overall supply. Inevitably a lot of shit tier devs who would otherwise have no ability to make games will make games. But it will also enable competent people to do more.
> Inevitably a lot of shit tier devs who would otherwise have no ability to make games
I know this place is no hugbox but this seems harsh
Making games takes a LOT of time, money, patience, connections, etc
After doing 3d art and some code for some time, I've realized it is NOT a skill issue, but a money issue.
Just making a single game-ready AAA character from 'scratch' takes, Zbrush for sculpting, Maya for modelling, Houdini for effects, Redshift to sell your character with a render, the list goes on. In the pro scene, you do not have one guy do that all. You have your IK rig guy, your modeller, your, your UV map and painter. If you want even more cinematic detail you have your head and face guy, your hand guy, etc etc all to make that cgi you're used to.
This is money. A lot of money.
Anyone could do one thing, but virtually nobody could do it all. Even brilliant minds like Markus Persson made Minecraft by themselves. Great. But no shit Minecraft isn't Call of Duty or Skyrim.
There's a reason games and movies could cost millions.
If AI doesn't brute-force UBI, the doomers were right.
>brilliant minds like Markus Persson made Minecraft by themselves
>UBI
Keywords to know when someone is full of shit.
>UBI bad!
AI is bad as it has no artistic merit. AI worshippers will make the parallel between photography and AI, but if you look at today where do tourists go, to look at art galleries or photography galleries? People have an innate aesthetic taste regardless of whether they are capable of producing art or not, and they will favor works that have artistic merit over those that don't. What can be described as "artistic merit" is the way in which an artist interprets the world through their personal eye, the message their works convey, their design decisions in say how a character or piece of clothing looks, etcetera. AI is incapable of any of that. So go ahead, use AI in your game and watch it be snubbed by 99% of the audience. Sure "you" managed to "make" a "game", but at the end of the day AI is just a tool, a cold soulless tool capable only of regurgitating actual art that actual artists have created, AI will make only content that is even more derivative than what human developers are capable of. AI worshippers are talentless to the core, they cannot create anything artistic so they have to spite those that are able to by promoting this demonic machine. AI worshippers are the Ephialtes of art: spiteful they can never be true artists they have to ruin it for those that are. Invain, might I add, as you can infest the world with all the AI you want but a real artist will never capitulate to it, only the weak minded will.
Lastly, AI tools do not and will never belong to you, but artistic skill no matter how humble cannot be taken away from you. Do you want to depend on some megacorporation for the production of your art assets, or do you want to be able to create them independently? I suggest to go for the latter, as "the more crutches you have, the more it hurts when they're swept from down under you", corporations can pull the plug at any time, Steam is among them, just look at how they pulled the plug on Windows 7. Be a real artist, be independent.
>AI is bad as it has no artistic merit
Neither do 99% of games, movies, music and other crap.
And with AI it will be even worse!
No, it won't. It will be the same as always
Smart people with big brains (me) who can filter and recognise quality will be fine.
Dumb nosebreather (you) will keep seething, malding and faltering because you can't make decisions on your own.
>but what about (insert meaningless percentage of things)
if all you can smell is shit, maybe check your nose
No, that's the fact of the entertainment industry. It was always about being about to filter out the bad shit from the good 1%.
>People have an innate aesthetic taste regardless of whether they are capable of producing art or not, and they will favor works that have artistic merit over those that don't
I wish that was true. Most people are moronic so they are vowed by anything. They actualy think an AI put meaning behind this and didn't just throw shit at the wall.
I can't wait for the day to come when I can leave all the shitposting to my AI clone while I play videogames.
I can't wait for the day I can transfer my AI clone into a lab grown biological body so we can banter all day (and frick)
India won!
>Could save the indie market
>Does nothing
remember that scrolls game he made?
ai is a chinksect agenda to remove all soul from life
It's a israeli one
Can't believe Gankeriggers sucking off israelites this much.
I can't say that Valve is pro-AI here, but it seems like a futureproofing policy for what's inevitable. Games with AI are going to be developed and submitted to Steam. Valve has no way of identifying every game with AI because unlike games with X questionable content where you can clearly see and observe, this is software-related. And software can improve. You can't say "LOOK AT THE HANDS" because eventually the hands will be fixed, and every complaint are just directions for how AI tech should evolve to be distinguishable from human works. The policy just shoves the burden of proof on to the consumers. That's all.
They're neither pro or anti. They just understand the reality of AI unlike the rest of the leftoids b***hing about it.
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only a tiny fraction of % of 'art' made is museumworthy, a piece to have a conversation about. Made with people with passion on top of talent, and those will stay and be in demand.
but vast majority is already a slop. Made for ads, powerpoint backgrounds, character portraits in games, diaper furry comissions. And those can be replaced with no detriment to anyone but 9to5 'art workers'.
Handmade pottery, anything to do with riding horses, and so on and so forth was once a job for many, and now is only a hobby for those who care. Painting and drawing will soon follow and is that really a bad thing?
Hear me out when I say this was all caused by Ronald Reagan.
most artists suck, not only in their art but also as people.
I have no sympathy for them. the ones who are actually good will be fine.
Originality will die with AI
>Only exception to this will be Adult Only Sexual Content
2DH CHADS WINN AGAIN
2D AIslop WEGS are the future!
game developer here. i only use AI for image laundering. let's say i need to make a poster, a graffiti, or some sort of graphics design for a soda can, or anything similar that has to look a certain way and requires skill and effort to make. ideally i would use an actual photo of the thing to make it, but all the good photos are copyrighted and i don't want to get caught. so i tell the AI to do it instead. usually it does a good job of creating a legal ripoff version of the kind of thing i need, and it comes with the added bonus of doing much of the editing/photoshop work for me since i can tell it exactly what i need. usually i need to edit the image a bit before i can use it, though.
This benefits the lazy third worlders who couldn't be assed to actually make a game and it benefits valve, how does it benefit the consumer?
MORE SLOOP TO CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
This, I just hate brown "people" who use the tech invented by Whites and Asians.
the consumer?
>obsessed
is pajeet in the room with us right now, anon?
Yes (You).
welcome to the future of buying videogames guys
'AI' has been around since CGI
Eat shit ludd
finally we have caught up with mobile gaming
>Have the same quality control as Google Play and Itch
>Charge 30% anyway
Lmao based Gaben