Stop it. When you use ai voices to mimic a voice actor without their permission, it's like raping them.
You wouldn't want to rape them would you? So stop using AI voice tools of voice actors who do not approve of it in your fan made crap/mods.
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Just think of it as a very good impersonation.
Literally this. I do an impeccable Colonel Campbell impression for friends and it's all good fun. I give other people the ability to do an impeccable impression and EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
If VA realized they're entirely replaceable now and stopped trying to shame me for making them say Obama did 9/11 for a gaff, they could get a head start on finding and industry that can't replace them with even the most rudimentary AI.
>I do an impeccable Colonel Campbell impression
vocaroo it
Ok. I believe in quality of ones practice so i wont
>VAs going out of their ways to shit on small projects that dont make any money because of insecurities
how can you be so out of touch ?
Even though they are just Voice Actors they still have Actor in that title. They are LA narcissists and out of touch. They think they are someone special and should have never been involved in the video game industry.
AI voices have an even stronger argument in favor of them than AI art. Art is something that anyone can learn, but voice acting is literally limited by your biology.
>Art is something that anyone can learn
Not true.
lmao welcome to the internet, motherfricker
Futaba would support AI voices unlike her VA
Wait, we managed to get a statement out of Aoi Yuuki?
The day someone makes AI Shuten is the day I die from fapping too much.
RAIDEN
DID I EVER TELL YOU ABOUT THE JANITORS
https://vocaroo.com/1jyxLECkLuEp
Nice.
I'm fricking dying
Genuinely one of the best things from here.
that's it, Ganker has peaked here. wrap it up everyone, we can all go home now.
I fricking love this.
This made me realize that the default tone of the AI voice model most people use sounds EXACTLY like AI Campbell and it's freaking me the frick out.
KOJIMA IS GOD
KOJIMA IS GOD
Holy shit, heidous kojimbo was right again
>You wouldn't want to rape them would you?
Weeell...
Don't care. If I want Snake to recite the Vaporeon copypasta then he's got no choice.
I need that in my life
Has anyone notice that the ones doing this shit are the LITERAL embodiment of cesspit in human form working as Voice Actors?
AiVoices destroyed their egos hard.
I like the characters, not the people voicing them. I do not care what the actor wants.
STOP USING AI!!! My VA career is just starting!!!
STAPPUPP
YYYYONG OUT
i'll start making more videos using ai from video games as frick you to every single VA and make them say the most horrendous thing imaginable
I agree if the voice is stolen for a commercial game, or for malicious intents like trying to pass off a voice clip as something legitimate, or using them for scams, but for YouTube videos that are trying to be funny and clearly marked as AI voice? Shut the frick up who cares
Pretty much this. There's certainly danger in this technology but when it's being used as transparently as AI voice videos on YouTube, whatever.
It’s funny how commies are all of the sudden opposed to a technology that would make things more egalitarian and less expensive
>be hayter
>be known for one voice
>gets BTFO by Kojima because he worships Hollywood actors
>get conned into joining VA 'union'
>'union' gets BTFO immediately as companies just go back to using guys on the street or celebrities
>now has to deal with AI voices and impersonators
It's actually Col. Campbell who is complaining
because my exclusive club of "artists" now have to actually compete instead of coasting on being billionaires tax fraud!
you frickers were b***hing cause you couldnt compete
I'm a software developer, why would I compete with shartists?
Good, now real pizza has no use since you can just make infinite waifus for yourself
AI has already gotten good at copying voices, eventually it will be able to be a perfect imitation of voices including emotion etc. So the AI voice and the real voice will become the same.
There is clearly value in the VA's voice, otherwise they would not copy it. (I don't mean value as in simply "good/bad." Circumstances, like being a hired character role, are also value even if "given" to them.)
You can't just say "I can use your voice better than you can, so I own it now and can do what I want with it." It's unethical to steal someone's property. Their voice is their property, you have to work out a deal with them if you want to use it.
Your voice isnt your property, you can't copyright a method of speaking just like how you can't copyright how you play the flute
Honestly the notion that your body is your own is in and of itself an outdated and selfish concept.
If someone made a million dollars using your voice and you didn't get any of the profits wouldn't you be upset?
just like I'm upset about anyone making a million dollars
I’m so sick of these fartsniffing-VAs and their dogshit opinions, they deserve this
This doesn't even make sense. Hayter always liked impersonators and has literally worked FOR FREE.
I sincerely hope AI replaces every VA. Greed has rotted their brains. They shouldn't be allowed to make money on their voices if they get this stupid.
The article isn’t about Hayter.
Well that makes more sense I guess.
Yeah I think it's the Colonel's voice actor.
>the colonel's VA being mad about ai
fricking pottery
KOJIMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm looking forward to AI completely killing the work for one trick ponies that only do a single voice or are otherwise known for "that one voice" that gets regurgitated in media. Maybe they'll actually be given incentive to do other voices so they'll be worth their weight again.
HOLY FRICK
That would put the voice guy for Screen Junkies out of a job - forever!
I love it!
>in a world ...where I say everything the same
>getting preemptively outraged before you even know what you're supposed to be outraged about
you worthless stupid frick, you dumb fricking b***h.
I'm sorry anon I saw MGS and "him" and just assumed.
yes we know. that's what makes you a dumb fricking b***h.
That's exactly what makes you a dumb b***h.
You form your opinion by reading only headlines like fricking NPCs
Calm down sperg.
No frick off and die homosexual.
Oh, I'm sorry for not immediately thinking of "grunt 3" when the headline is about MGS voice actor.
the best part is they can't do SHIT about it lmao
the shitty part is that these frickers will continue to get loads of work just by virtue of being famous voices while AI will be used to replace random NPCs, background chatter, non-human characters, and the like. parts that would normally go to no name VAs that need the work and could previously use that shit as a way to break into the industry.
voice AI isn't going to make voice actors obsolete, it's just going to make the industry even more elitist and stagnant.
This. Established talent like Paul Eiding, Nolan North, and that homosexual Troy Baker won't be out of work due to AI, but it is going to become an even more exclusive club of pretentious thespians. Voice acting was a mistake.
Eventually they will be.
What a silly thing to say. There are way more uses for AI art than voice.
Good morning sir
Because dude, I am simply not paying for a game where the main character is voiced by an AI.
If you want me to pay for the voice acting, it better have some voice acting on it.
Just motherfricker grab someone to talk on a mic, is not that difficult.
This is Snake. Para-Medic, I'm being anally spelunked, what should I do?
Funny how they have no actual power so they go after so the avenge joe who isn't well off and can't afford to pay for a legal defense just so they can feel good about themselves.
Actually I lied. Its fricking scumbag behaviour. They deserve a bullet to the head.
I hate talentless aiBlack folk and I hate the morons who lampoon against voice actors because of homosexual American identity politics and twitter screencaps. I wish people would practice impersonations more instead of jerking themselves off over robot recreations of human voices. Knowing how to do a funny and iconic voice is way cooler than using some jeetbot software to read off epic maymays
I hate pretentious people like you that can't appreciate technology. It's just dorky being able to do something manually when you can just use a tool. Not cool.
>wanting humans to use their god-given gift of spoken language and diction instead of having assembly line TTS shlock
>pretentious and dorky
lol actual cuckold mentality
It doesn't matter what it is, you are being pretentious and you're a fricking dork if you use your hands when there's a tool available.
>What's wrong with AI voices?
They're free.
Shut up moron. AI isn't going to hurt anyone, impersonates cost fricking money. Most people are not going seek out someone who MIGHT be able to mimic a voice when they can just AI tech and do it for free.
>AI isn't going to hurt anyone
AI is going to destroy your way of life within ten years' time.
let's make it 5
Oh I already know it's destroying my livelihood in about 5 at best. I'm probably just going to coast by on savings and then kill myself. I could possibly learn a new skill and rebuild my career from step 0 all over again, but I'm too tired to go through that grind again.
Artists deserve to be on the lowest rung of society
Incredibly moronic take. It's the artists who uplift absolute ghettos into living conditions only for it to be then taken by soulless conservative cucks and grinded to franchised powder.
go back to r/politics homosexual
yea kay flock really gave back to the community.
dont care, learn2code
AI voice is great though. Actually has uses unlike the dogshit "art"
Why did no one complain when people were doing it with the US presidents?
Remember when all the talented film, tv, and theatre actors got together to take action against the threat of AI recreating their voices?
Oh yeah, that didn't happen. Because those people know that they have acting talent. They know that AI can't replace the emotion and skill they put into a performance.
All this proves is that western VAs know they suck at their jobs and are easily replaceable by robots. If they were able to ACT then they'd have nothing to fear.
>They know that AI can't replace the emotion and skill they put into a performance.
nope, they will be replaced very soon
>just two more weeks
>says increasingly nervous man for the seventh time this year
Thanks for proving my point with that pic, that's the best that the biggest movie studio in the world can do and it's a fricking embarrassment that sounds nothing like a human.
And yet coonsumers lapped it up and loved it as if Mark Hamill himself had been de-aged
Face it, talent is irrelevant. They have trained a generation of cattle that will coonsume regardless.
>And yet coonsumers lapped it up
ok? what's your point?
>talent is irrelevant
if you're the kind of subhuman that watches disney+ and the like, but I'm talking about actors in real movies and things.
>ok? what's your point?
The point is that unless you tard wrangle AI corpos will use it because thew vast majority of idiots don't care if something is subpar
>if you're the kind of subhuman that watches disney+ and the like, but I'm talking about actors in real movies and things.
So the vast majority of people.
>corpos will use it because thew vast majority of idiots don't care if something is subpar
okay and?
And it'll make acting of all types a completely dead career because why bother hiring actors?
Do you genuinely believe that people do artistic fields out of just genuine passion? Passion doesn't pay the bills anon.
>The point is that unless you tard wrangle AI corpos will use it because thew vast majority of idiots don't care if something is subpar
why do you have to tard wrangle them? who cares if they use it?
it's like mobile games. why should I care if normalgays waste their money on chinkshit? I'm interested in real video games, and real movies. which don't have that shit and never will, because they are making quality products.
why am I supposed to care about the slop?
You're an absolute moron that thing things get made out of nowhere.
They don't
If a thing makes more money than the other thing then that's what gets made
Gacha games have completely overtaken the video game market and only continue to get bigger. And there's no reversing that. Because companies now see gacha makes money.
Do you not comprehend this? Do you think they'll ignore profit that's there in other to make something that's "good", when they don't need to. The slop makes more money than the quality.
>Gacha games have completely overtaken the video game market and only continue to get bigger.
And yet good video games continue to get made. Same with good movies. Strange.
There will always be people willing to work a little harder in order to reach to a niche market. Did the creation of processed cheese mean the real stuff is now unable to be bought? Of course not. It might be less common, but as long as there are a sizeable number of people willing to pay a little bit more to get the good stuff, there will be people who see that business opportunity and take advantage of it.
Do you think that every single video game company could switch to making gacha and stay profitable? Do you think that literally anyone could make a show as terrible as Mando and make money without the advantage of having the Star Wars branding? Business is about filling a demand, and those demands have already been met.
Corpos are going to be the ones who aren't affected by your wrangling. If anyone can find loopholes and pay their way out of situations it's corpos
So the solution is to just allow it to take over and remove any sort of actual quality from the medium?
AI generated character design and artwork
AI generated voices and performances
AI generated level design and dungeons.
Yes. The cat's out of the bag now. Might as well let the casual user mess around with it, no point in letting corpos have all the fun
Then we can finally get back to gameplay. This can't happen soon enough. Hopefully all the "I wish I was making movies instead of games" devs will frick right off.
Funny that you think gameplay will improve.
I would rather play 99% of games with npcs that will actually interact and talk to me and coordinate and make calls and positions etc than play with "real human beings tm" that dont rely any info, fricking b***h at me for giving them info, report me for existing, and throw themselves off the map and shit.
Imagine if I could just fricking play an mmo and launch into whatever campaign I wanted and the game did fricking pixel perfect reactions and maybe even learned my play style and backed up my fricking plays or was like "GET CLOSER SO I CAN HEAL YOU!" "Dont forget to shield that huge hit or ill die!" "Cleanse me im fricking poisoned butthole!"
Instead I get HUEHUEHUEHEUHUHE FUK U AMERICAN or *autistic silence*....."reported"
>They know that AI can't replace the emotion and skill they put into a performance.
I disagree entirely, and I have proof.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wejQerARYw
They're right to make a stink about this. Their careers are in the line and it's self preservation.
>moronic zoom zooms still saying A.I will replace voice actors as if it's creating those voices from nothing.
It probably will. All zoomie needs to do is articulate himself, use a voice changer that's high quality, and give it some proper mixing, and they have a voice sample of their own they can use to read lines. The future is now old man.
>You wouldn't want to rape them would you?
maybe i do maybe i don't what's it to ya homosexual?
AI is here to stay.
Cope and seethe
you will never be a fed.
Arrest yourself and go to bed larper.
I hope ai win this war and replace everyone so we can never get anything new or unique, i love genric stuff so much bros
see
I cannot afford an entitled artist of any kind.
I have big dreams and you anti-ai rejectards are in the way.
Why? What's wrong with AI voices? Do you and these people also have issue with people doing impressions of voices? If not then how is that any different?
>You wouldn't want to rape them would you?
I'd definitely rape David Hayter.
ACCELERATE
This shouldn't be an issue unless the person is using the AI to make money or sell a product as if it were endorsed by that person. If these VAs were doing commission I might be more sympathetic, but it's weirdly always the ones that aren't.
I can't reasonably check if every fricking video using my voice is monetized or not.
The music and film industry seem to have no problem.
Because they had the systems in place to protect them to begin with.
Person who will never own anything: THIS IS THE FUTURE OLD MAN
There's AI for drawing, I don't care anymore.
AItechbros are quite literally right winter fascist NAZIS and us VAs are the poor fricked over israeli population back in Nazi Germany.
Do they realize their voices are being "stolen" almost exclusively to say Black person and make fun of trannies?
Way Cool!
>youtube voice actor who commits massive copyright infringement on the reg mad about being copied.
k e k
I love when twitter artists whine about AI, 90% 0f what they do is fan art so they're already thieves following their logic.
It really is just 99% copyright infringement in the fan sphere. Unironically Baal Buddy probably is the most legal considering most of his stuff is parody but even he is pretty sketchy in terms of fair use sometimes.
There's no point even talking about the legality of it since AI stuff is wholly legal. I'm just talking pure logic regarding morals, and making AI art of something or making fan art is exactly the same thing from that point of view.
I'd actually be 100% okay with banning AI art/voice if we went full circle and banned all fanart/fiction and sued anyone who made money directly or indirectly off of those fanworks.
It would suck for me, but could you imagine the fireworks? When all the morons supporting this realized they'll lose everything and more now? It would keep me laughing for months.
I laughed either way, just at how moronic they are.
I honestly would be in favor of that. Fanart has always been just a way to generate clout and money off someone else's work.
it's a way to create or enjoy art of things you enjoy you fricking moron
It hasn't been for a long time. Not since Patreon.
It's why in the late 00's to the early 10s you could still easily find something new while now almost all fanart is derivative or template style.
you are one seriously jaded c**t
All fanart is bad, moron.
OK Nintendo.
that's not really how it works.
I am working on some game for Steam with a friend of mine, using his character designs, and we DO want as much porn as humanly possible of them to be made, it's pretty much a goal here.
I agree with this anon. They're not your characters. Have some fricking originality.
>used by game modders
>aka the same people who screamed bloody murder over a guy who got rid of the gay flag and spend most of their time in far-left discords
>they must be nazis
these people just don't live in reality, they are hallucinating constantly.
and you're being incredibly dishonest too by denying nazis and other right wing extremists are using AI to make horrible racist rants.
You'd rather demonize ai as "right wing" with your spite politics than have an honest talk about it. A right wingers can use paint software to draw a nazi flag. Should we also ban microsoft paint?
>nazis and other right wing extremists are using AI to make horrible racist rants
So what?
I mean you guys literally are alt-right and only use this tech to say the n-word and transphobic copy pastas. they have a point
yeah because if they try to do anything more serious with it, the VAs will sue the creator cause whatever they did supposedly no longer falls under parody level
So? Does SJW-God condemn you to SJW-hell if "your voice" is used to say Black person?
glad to know right-wingers are still at the forefront of technological evolution just like our futurist chads were
Pretty much all of our advancement in technology etc has been by right leaning creators. You say this to a lefty and they go full moron on you yet when asked cant give you at least 10 left leaning creators
>BASIC HUMAN DECENCY
the future is now old man
AI voice acting is a win for everyone because it gives everyone access to affordable voice acting. Skilled human VAs will undoubtedly outperform AI for a good while yet, but they'll have to actually start trying instead of coasting by on nepotism and union shit like they do now.
Hayter's gon hate
7/10, I chuckled
how do I use AI voice? what website?
Ganker has a general, just follow some basic instructions and you to can make an AI cover song.
gay
The smart VA would license their voice out so that they still get paid without having to do a thing.
>or break up
So basically, what this b***h wants is a relationship founded on ultimatums and hard lines that one has to be fearful of crossing or else.
Or does she genuinely think that even a mega roastie isn't going to feel controlled or mistreated if a guy tells them he's gonna break up with them if they keep posting pics on instagram.
I swear to good millenial and zoomer women just have no concept of what a healthy relationship is.
>babe, my one boundary is for you to not have sex with other men while in a relationship with me
>HOW FRICKING DARE YOU CONTROL ME YOU RACIST XENOPHOBIC ANTI-UKRAINE INCEL ABUSER!!
>BrizzyVoices
btw, this is what this b***h was known for back in the day and it's how she started her career voice acting as well as scene acting in some Live Disney shows nobody knows about. just done terrible voice impressions of pokemon.
>my ears
I can't believe you've done this.
Is it really THIS easy to just get started in the Western VA industry?
No, you also have to suck a mean dick.
WE LITERALLY JUST HAD THIS THREAD BUT I'M HERE TO REMIND YOU THAT NOTHING ANYONE DOES WILL STOP ME FROM USING AI TO MAKE ANYTHING I WANT, ALL SHARTISTS MUST SHUT UP. I WONT STOP EVEN IF IT IS MADE ILLEGAL. I WILL GENERATE YOUR CHARACTERS DOING HORRIBLE FETISHES AND I WILL USE YOUR VOICES FOR MY VR PORN GAMES.
hey moron i think your caps lock is stuck, you might wanna unstuck it
I'M GOING TO STICK YOUR CAPS LOCK WITH CUM homosexualRON.
aside from when the only good AI tech is owned by big corporations, but go off sis.
TOO LATE, AI IS ALREADY A HOBBY AND OPEN SOURCE IT WONT PROGRESS AS RAPIDLY AS THE CORPO AI BUT IT WILL NONETHELESS, UH OH gayGARTIST.
Based, me too. I've hired a few VAs for some projects before, and the rates across the board were absolutely exorbitant for the low quality and quantity of shit I was getting not to mention many of them were among the most entitled, petty, and condescending people I've ever interacted with. I'm going to exclusively use AI voices from now on, and no one can stop me
Your AI hentai is fricking garbage. AI furry porn is light-years ahead it's unbelievable
GOOD THING I'M A FURgay THEN ANON.
W-where might one find such lightyears ahead generation tools? For research of course.
STABLE DIFFUSION THREADS ON /TRASH/ GO LOOK AT THEM AND FOLLOW THE GUIDES. OR PAY FOR NOVEL AI AND USE THEIR GENERATOR.
Degenerates like you belong in the trash
Because the hentai generators are morons that refuse to improve no matter how much you tell them their generations are shit. Furries are so autistic that if the AI messes up one folical of hair they force it to create millions of new generations.
My big concern with AI voices and deepfakes are that soon it will be impossible to use a photo, video or audio clip as evidence for anything. As they stand currently, our legal systems will completely cease to function when all evidence can be easily fabricated.
>hurr durr but you're using my voice
It's not "your voice". It just SOUNDS like your voice.
Same as a drawing of your face isn't your face. It just looks like it.
A "photo" of your face can be construed as your face. Even recorded images from a video camera. But if someone draws using you as a model, that's not your face.
If you didn't record it, it's not your voice, no matter how much it sounds like it.
delet this
>using your voice to generate an artificial voice that sounds nearly identical to your voice isnt using your voice
Yes.
Someone's voice is a very personal thing.
An AI program can't reproduce a person's voice flawlessly but it CAN be a very convincing ILLUSION.
And because the illusion is so convincing, it makes people THINK it's someone's voice, when it's not.
Same deal as when someone is watching a movie and someone dies in a bloody pulp. It's not real blood, no one died, but the illusion is so strong people convince themselves it's real.
But it's not.
I can't, I forgot the password I set for the post.
missing the point. AI can't generate an artificial voice that sounds nearly identical to a real voice without directly using that persons real voice. it IS using their voice.
Nah. It's splicing an impression together out of other voices, presumably voices of people that consented to their voices being used that way
Couldnt you just use voices of VA from openly free available resources then?
Like using lines melissa fahn has said from neptunia to copy her nep voice since YT doesnt flag her voice in any gameplay videos as copyright
Probably if the software was open source but I don't think users get to train the AI
Use your brain. You're smart enough to know AI doesn't know what [voice actor]s voice sounds like. It had to find out from somewhere. Hint: probably from that voice actor's own recordings.
Yeah I was making this shit when it was free. It required 30 seconds of audio to immitate a voice. Audio that didn't have anywhere near enough variety of sounds to splice together all the vocalizations it can spit out.
It's not their voice
So you agree it requires their voice. Good.
Yeah but that's irrelevant. The generated audio does not contain their voice
No it's actually very relevant. the AI generated voice does not exist without the voice actor. The voice actor is contributing to something that he or she did not want to contribute to, did not get paid to contribute to, may not support, and may lose employment opportunities because of it.
>the AI generated voice does not exist without the voice actor.
yes it does it just wouldn't sound like them
but you are putting way too much importance on the person that just happens to have a voice someone wants to use.
it's like someone drawing a character with blonde hair because you met someone with blonde hair one day, but saying that you stole their hair because you didn't pay that person with the hair. literally fricking mental.
At some point why not just be honest about it though? "I want Nolan North to voice my vidya project, but I don't want to play Nolan North."
There's little to no point in elaborate set dressings, that's the core of the whole thing. And even then, it shouldn't matter if it's just shitposts, but it's fairly obvious why it'd matter for the person in question what that's by overally byline. If someone's voice gets twisted back and forth, just used as a jumping off point, then I wouldn't see it as much of an issue, but that's not the case here.
>VAs on the other hand are already dirt cheap.
Wasn't there a whole thing where recently VAs got like $100 for dubbing a popular anime movie?
*pay, frick, I really need sleep
>At some point why not just be honest about it though? "I want Nolan North to voice my vidya project, but I don't want to play Nolan North."
they are honest about it and what I said in my post is that it doesn't matter what the person in question thinks about it, implying it does is literally fricking moronic on so many levels. just think about it
we have a new tool to create voices and make them say whatever the frick you want. people are going to use it. trying to stop them for any reason is just fricking stupid, it's a cool tool that will help us all make stuff.
>b-bbut my job
get a real job moron. according to your logic we might as well ban pencils because you can draw stuff that you don't own. might as well ban instruments because you can preform songs you don't have the rights to.
>get a real job moron. according to your logic we might as well ban pencils because you can draw stuff that you don't own. might as well ban instruments because you can preform songs you don't have the rights to.
This is such a moronic thing to say that I'm just gonna let that hang for a bit. Really let us all soak it in.
the logic is completely the same when you really think about it. if you're capable of critical thinking.
>muh voice
who cares, it's gonna be used if someone wants to and that's OKAY. If you can't make money on it that's your problem and thank god for that seeing how moronic career voice actors are.
these moronic greedy shitbags would make you pay to draw stickmen if they could
>oi you got a license for that stick person?
>who cares, it's gonna be used if someone wants to and that's OKAY.
Completely fricking unironically now.
>implying it does is literally fricking moronic on so many levels. just think about it
Yeah I'm thinking about it, and I think it's pretty fricking hilariou that for a board that constantly harps about how horrible the future of "you will own nothing and you will be happy" is, the moment someone tries to even insinuate that their voice is theirs, this whole righteous indignation goes right out the window? I mean sure, hate VAs all you want, it's not like they make that difficult, but you gotta admit it's funny how quickly everyone's willing to drop the act as soon as you can make someone you don't like squirm.
>according to your logic we might as well ban pencils because you can draw stuff that you don't own. might as well ban instruments because you can preform songs you don't have the rights to.
Anon I implore you to think about that again, real hard.
but I'm not a moronic poltard, I don't think ownership pf shit like this is a good thing at all. if you have tech that invalidates you, you should immediately be invalidated instead of holding the world back. get your useless job deleted.
why shouldn't all of our voices be free to use? when everything else is fair game such as your image, your ideas, etc. we can freely use colors even though we don't own them and look at all the good shit that came from that. these greedy shitbags again would make you pay for the use of the color yellow if they could. we shouldn't let them get away with this shit.
only letting 1 person use their voice is fricking moronic. frick that. AI has proven that random anons can use voices better than anyone else.
moronic poltard
you are making a moronic point
>but I'm not a moronic poltard, I don't think ownership pf shit like this is a good thing at all.
>why shouldn't all of our voices be free to use?
Anon do I really have to fricking explain to you how nightmarishly dystopian the idea is that even your voice isn't your own?
>oh no someone is using something of mine while I loser nothing
>it makes them happy, SHUT IT DOWN
shut the frick up moron.
>hey man why are you voicing gay porn books
>I'm not
>yes you are, there's like two dozen of them
>i-its just AI, I'm proud of humanity's advancement and it's not like I lose anything...
>hey man why are you voicing gay porn books
>I'm not
>Oh, sounds just like you.
ftfy, fricking moron
right. most things should be free to use if you ask me but people are greedy shitbags.
Voices should be free to use. We constantly project them out in public without a single thought. If it was that important we'd have all our conversations behind closed doors
I dunno man, if I can't hold onto a basic aspect of my biology, what's the point in complaining about vidya ownership, or even land?
It's as much an aspect of your biology as your hair but nobody gets up in arms over their hairstyle being copied
I'd sooner go bald than lose my voice.
Lucky for you AI doesn't make you mute
If anyone anywhere replicates my voice constantly and sells shit with it, it may as well. Look I'm not the poster child of loving myself, but even I value my existence enough that I would want my voice to remain my own as much as possible.
That's a big if. You already can't use someone else's identity to sell shit without their permission. I'm not saying this stuff should be used to decieve people or to turn someone into a spokesman against their will but making Laura Bailey profess her love for Nord wiener in a Skyrim mod is fair game as far as I'm concerned
>but making Laura Bailey profess her love for Nord wiener in a Skyrim mod is fair game as far as I'm concerned
I've genuinely no issues with that, my problems are entirely with your former examples.
>admits you are a CNN obsessed normie terrified of fake news
>but ignores that fake news has existed since the dawn of time
I won't argue with you there. The law is already settled on that however so I don't think it'll be an issue
sorry sweatie you don't get to decide what a "real job" is
something that pays the bills and we're supposedly entering a world where VAs will not be able to pay the bills because Mr. Shecklestein will steal their voice.
Shouldnt I ask 20 times more salary for VAs if youre gonna model my voice based on one session?
AI will invalidate you without any use for you and that's a good thing.
"Okay anon, we'll get back to you on that. Next please. Anon#2, will you sign away your rights for $100?"
"Yes"
"Excellent, call off the auditions, we're done here."
You could, just like they could find some up and coming VA who's good enough and doesn't have as much foresight as you
I'll be honest, I know this probably makes me sound like an butthole, but there's nothing quite like massively undercutting people new to a career and teaching them the world isn't fair. They're usually pretty dejected at first, but I think it's an important lesson to learn.
>yes it does it just wouldn't sound like them
then there would be no demand for it.
If their voice is freely available on public broadcasts such as YouTube then all that is irrelevant. Also
What's your opinion on emulation and reverse engineered ports?
some youtube poop guys do some pretty impressive voice splicing if I say so myself
All output requires an input, gay.
All paintings require paint.
All houses require lumber.
All cakes require egg and flour.
You don't call them "paint" or "lumber" or "egg and flour", you call them by their finished product.
Even if an AI voice uses someone else's vocal tones as ingredients, what comes out isn't their actual voice, just the illusion of it.
all houses don't require lumber
all paintings don't need paint
all cakes don't need eggs and flour
you fricker
Except the paint and eggs are sold to you. The voice is not sold, its stolen. The voice is up for sale to be used and you did not pay for it.
You wanna talk about the internet's stance on free use? Let's talk about it. Here's a video you've probably seen before!
Cool, right? It's got videogames on it and everything. Except the people making that show didn't boot up the game, play a little and record that minute or so of game footage, it was STOLEN off the INTERNET for FREE. By a corporation that is worth billions. That corporation didn't buy the video or even ask the creator of the video for permission. It was STOLEN. Stolen and then used in a TV show whose ad time mad the station many millions of dollars when it aired. And guess what, it was fair game. Why? Because it was on "the internet" and "hosted on a free video hosting site" which in modern parlance means it is free to use as you wish in any way you want.
You wanna know what else has been hosted for free in a video hosting site? Countless let's plays of Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 in high definition video and audio, many of those played on CDs purchased legally and played on actual Playstation/PC hardware.
Does that suck that someone's performance in a video has been taken and used to train an AI voice output? Maybe. But Youtube hasn't taken down the Let's Plays or the gameplay videos or just the codec calls that have been preserved and uploaded years ago for Metal Gear Solid. Or ANY game for that matter. Still up, still available, still in public.
If "using someone's voice" was such a big infringement then you'd have heard about it during the Youtube Poop era, where they ACTUALLY used their recorded lines in different ways. And we didn't. Funny how that works.
Careful what you say there, I've seen enough publishers and devs saying that streamers should have to pay them a cut of the donations they get while streaming their game. I wouldn't put it past people to try it.
Oh they already tried it.
And they're gonna keep trying.
Why do you think music labels exist? And why do you think so many musicians die young?
If you can make money for nothing, why not?
"These people are PLAYING OUR GAME and we're NOT being paid for it? Even though they already BOUGHT IT?"
It's a israelite's dream.
without AI voices, we'd never have this shitpost with the voice of the doctor from eternal darkness
eat shit voicegays
chuddies only know one joke, huh?
I am a professional artist and Ive worked for major film studios.
I love ai. It automates a lot of my work and then I polish it.
If you are not doing this you are a fool.
I can now turn out a great artpiece in 2-4 days if Im being a perfectionist about it and like hours if its a eh whatever piece.
If you were any decent, youd be making your own models and using it to automate your own work and improve your own shit and submit it. What are you going to do b***h at me for ai generating my own work stealing from myself? Are you fricking insane?
The FACT is that youre a hack of a single medium and since you aren't a jack of all trades, creative, or innovative you cannot keep up gramps.
Oh nooo the voice actor model is doing lines for me while im also reading other lines and im doing 6 projects at once making 6x as much money.
OH NO WHAT EVER WILL I DO!?
The problem is you cant keep up and you can't innovate. Youre coasting your entire life on your gradeschool and highschool skillset and your inflated ego where you think youre better than everyone else and deserve to be treated like some god.
Youre shit. Deal with it.
Cant handle it?
Fricking shut up and quit.
Otherwise adapt and make something that others can't.
All that happened is the skill ceiling went up and the skill floor went down.
Climb or fricking cry about it.
Sure you cant legally claim the ai voice if its not yours, but if it is mine, and I made it, then I can give you permission to buy it from me and if youre worried about it being copyright blah blah blah ill sell it you as a compilation of the voicelines with a picture of my tiny troony dick and you can legally use it because you own it.
tldr
GIT FRICKING GOOD
>What are you going to do b***h at me for ai generating my own work stealing from myself?
They will still b***h because you're not using your own model you're using a finetune of the big bad pirated art model.
prove exactly what I did and used
protip: you cant
proertip: not a single fricking person has ever noticed any of the hand touches ive done on ai pieces because I can match the ai's art style of whatever its doing
all they do is b***h and I look at their profiles and its a picture of sonic with horrendously drawn moron proportions done by someone with a developmental disorder telling me that they make great art over fricking 5 months of a single piece when you need art done in la within like a day or hours and you need like 15 pieces for a project for a movie not just fricking 1
I'm not arguing with you nor am I wrong.
Yes and if I tell them this, they will just double down and probably say YEAH BUT MY ART IS REAL ART
I for one like fake art more than real art.
The only problem ive really seen is sometimes its lacks human expression and it can be a bit....stiff.
Its making things perfect when most people dont realize much of the human mind is determined by the expression of shapes and images and their implied context not necessarily biological realistic perfection.
Ren and stimpy for example can do things artistically that it is very difficult for ai to do.
You could have the ai do backgrounds and characters and then ren choking or something hand drawn and save a lot of your time and put all the effort into the gag effect's expression. I think artists have gotten lazy and have been coasting far too long on their shitty calarts cookie cutter homosexualry.
That's not a notable problem because "real" human art is often like that too. Even countless masterworks are like that.
Ren and Stimpy is disgusting but yeah that intent is often missing from AI art but you can prompt stuff like that too. For example the breast expansion anons, the images they'd make tell small stories like your image.
The real fear is when the ai can interpret emotions and zoomins and stuff and I can just type: "Ren exploding with anger swelling up shaking violently leaking fluid and blocks of coal out of him as a train engine circles around him and daggers rise in and out of his fingers." And then it actually makes it first try or so.
I can technically make that now but it would be like piece by piece by piece and would be much faster to just draw most of it and then use the ai to fix up the drawing.
But once ai can make shit like that with expressionable emotion and abstract objects that can relate to each other, then the whole art world will flip upside down and it will become a bipolar manic state of a youtube poop salvador dali apocalyptic fever dream.
I dunno what you mean about fear, that'll be based and the AI will animate it all too.
its fear for the shartists because they will be proven fraudsters with no creative ability simply masters of drawing pants and anime eyes.
AI is having its wild west tech moment. State actors and scammers will benefit from their obvious uses but people are legitimately out there thinking they'll record Erin Fitzgerald talking for a minute at a fan convention doing her Chie voice and turn it into some kind of business selling a spunky anime girl character that says /misc/ things.
But I want to rape everybody.
Wake me up when AI can make Michael Jackson sing Snake Eater the way HE would sing Snake Eater.
ai is already getting there, in a few years it'll be nearly indistinguishable
plankton covers are always entertaining
His voice is perfect for a lot of songs.
>*grabs you by the shirt collar*
Did you really think you could get away with stealing my voice, chud?
>*gets right up in your face*
If you need voice acting, you are morally OBLIGATED to hire me.
>*through clenched teeth*
You. Owe. Me. Work.
*farts*
I got your work right here
*unzips dick*
I owe you nothing, moron.
WHY AM I NOT GETTING PAID FOR A VOICE WTF!!!!!! Black person MAN HELP ME!!!!!!!!
AI voice acting. AI artists. AI writers. The blue hair mob is FINISHED
This. Hope we can get AI musicians and AI programmers too, soon.
Why are these voice actors so upset?
It's not THEIR voice. It just sounds like it but considering they NEVER said/recorded those things in the first place - then it's not THEIR voice no matter how much they claim it to be.
Maybe if VA weren't such diva mega c**ts like futabas VA is faking leaving twitter over an AI sounding voice of her then maybe I might give a shit. People told her the truth and that it's not her voice, just sounds like it and she divas and leaves twitter and gets her simps to attack the guy who did it.
The quicker AI puts all these people out of the job the better. If there's real talent out there like MGS david then they'll be fine
>You wouldn't want to rape them would you
Depends. David Hayter, no, I could never do that to Snake.
Christina Vee, Tara Strong, Cherami Leigh, Kari Wahlgren, and Erika Harlacher on the other hand...
"copyright" is israeli sorcery
only applied to filter poorgays and/or cowards.
How many of these people that think like this also make fanart?
You're a moron if you think using an AI to generate an image that it creates by pulling from thousands of actual artists images is the same as hand drawing fan art yourself. and I like AI but goddamn what a dumb thing to say with a straight face.
Seethe harder artgay
Nobody will subscribe to your patreon
Try thinking before you say some really stupid shit next time. I know it will be a first for you but I believe you can do it.
Still not giving you money you fricking sodomy lover
that's because you're a poorgay incel.
go back
no u
>Nobody will subscribe to your patreon
Everyone consume their products, not you.
>You're a moron if you think using an AI to generate an image that it creates by pulling from thousands of actual artists images is the same as hand drawing fan art yourself.
There is a difference but it doesn't matter and both people are creating art.
I'm not saying that one is objectively better than the other, just that equating fan art with AI art as the same exact thing is a really braindead thing to say. Both have a place and function where they excel, but they are not at all comparable.
>but they are not at all comparable.
That's where you're wrong, moron
How so?
See at that point we'd be getting into where the line between inspiration and straight up copying begins and ends, and that's a fricking complicated issue.
There isn't really a line between inspiration and copying in most cases, that's just jargon.
>There isn't really a line between inspiration and copying in most cases, that's just jargon.
What do you mean by that? Because there definitely is a distinction.
Most people can't come up with ANYTHING on their own, in which case they're just copying ideas pretending they're being inspired. Inspiration is something leading to much more profound art than what the average fan artist can do. They just copy, trace, photobash, etc. Most artists are like that.
Really disagree with you there but I don't have the energy to debate you on it, so agree to disagree eh?
>so agree to disagree eh?
Lol, the cuck way out.
Ok?
In both cases you're using the ideas of other artists to create art similar to it. Though of course you can make AI art that isn't really fan art too, it's a matter of intent.
Posting AI art without a hint of irony will get you laughed at, that's the difference.
I don't need to be entitled
I just need to be able to do it
and I am
I'm not entitled
That won't stop me from do it though
I do want I want
Love how these morons end every statement with "full stop", "the end" and shit think it's a full mic drop and no one with continue on as if not a fricking thing happened.
it's a woman talking so obviously she thinks she has the last say in anything
END OF RINE
>RINE ENDS HERE
>tfw the world you grew up in doesn't exist anymore
it's not "your voice", it just sounds like you. Would you try to stop someone who sounds like you from speaking? No? Then you have no say here either.
It's not really you.
That said it is creepy to consider someone impostering you so completely they are able to frame you for crimes or actions you never committed. Maybe if governments had a more advanced version of software capable of generating convincing video they would stage events as a pretext for action to be taken or for laws to be written.
Either way, I like this technology and don't want to see it banned or castrated.
They already put watermarks into generated audio. You can get around it but your average joe isn't going to get away with using it to implicate their school bully in a crime
people always took voice clips from games and did shit with them, why is it a problem now ?
absolutely moronic
>all the low class jobs will be automated
>ai targets all the "creative" gay's jobs
this is the real reason the tankies are freaking the frick out, they were always promised that automation would unmake the proletariat jobs so that they, the petit bourgeois, would be free to sit back and do meaningless leisure activities all day in the name of 'advancing culture' without being obligated towards actually making society function through labor.
Now that their niche is being entirely outmoded and eradicated and automation hasn't created a something-from-nothing free economy, they're the ones that the robots will be starving out and it's hitting them like a sack of bricks.
>don't worry we aren't scamming you
>BRO WTF
and why shouldn't they have to think about it, they're complaining about AI taking VA jobs but the idea of "voice theft" is just out of nowhere? I'm shocked they didn't think of it
why does it need to - there's over 100 years of audio to use to train AI to make ANY voice, just like the CIA and NSA have used for decades.
Erika offed herself yet?
>here's your "professional" voice actor bro
>Gianni Matragrano
'EY LUCARIO, GET THAT KNOT AND GABAGOOL THAT SHIT IN MY ASS
I consider voice actors who do NSFW shit on the same level with porn stars.
How the frick do you think you can have a "normal" acting career after you just got done with a sessions of "(being cummed inside of)" yells and moans and saying the most vile of degenerate porn lines imaginable?
Absolutely no respect.
What about all the actors that started their careers that way?
isn't smut a major springboard for a lot of Japanese VAs?
Not really, no.
Nah, you're thinking of art. Hentai's useful because it helps teach artists about anatomy, which can then be translated into being able to make proper art that eventually moves up into being used for proper posing in manga and animation.
not at all, the actual good, worthwhile VAs in Japan don't do port at all. it's always the amateur, low level ones.
yeah, tons of Japanese VAs came from audio porn, eroge, and tv hentai. you can browse a ton of erotic audio works on DLsite
Mai Kadowaki (voice of illya) started off in audio, she still does audio every once in a while
a lot of actors will use pseudonyms, but you can still tell who they are if their voice is unique enough
Yes.
I don't see what's the issue. A painter isn't less of a painter because he paints porno commissions on the side, stop pretending to be a neopuritan, we already know you're a pervert.
>Granny Magatranno
>it's ok when japan does it
Lol
Lmao even
Damn Futaba's VA has a huge fricking chin
I just wanna make my waifus say they love me by name
western VAs have spent decades conditioning their audiences to be content with the blandest least effort "voice acting"
now they're suddenly panicking when their customers can't tell the difference between the AI-slop and their carelessly prepared crap
yeah voice actors are really really nice people
>Ugly israelite tells someone on twitter she hopes they get raped
Did any of those countless women prove anything?
>"i hope you get raped"
wow, so much empathy coming from these people
DAMN that's fricking crazy that she would actually say that. As a self described lefty, I keep noticing how as soon as a typical minority type person, be it a woman or a black guy or whatever, doesn't toe the liberal line then they immediately get the most hateful, racist/ableist/homophobic/misandrist/mysoginist and generally non-PC attacks on them with no hesitation from supposed hardcore lefties.
It's honestly sickening, but at least I can take some small satisfaction that a ton of hardcore rightists practice the same shit they supposedly hate behind closed doors. Everyone's a hypocrite.
you're either with us or you're against us.
these are the same people who happily made racial jokes years ago but now try to cancel you for it
>I keep noticing how as soon as a typical minority type person, be it a woman or a black guy or whatever, doesn't toe the liberal line then they immediately get the most hateful, racist/ableist/homophobic/misandrist/mysoginist and generally non-PC attacks on them with no hesitation from supposed hardcore lefties.
Resetera kept calling Kanye West a coon and it was the fricking funniest thing seeing them suddenly be okay with racism as soon as the minority disagreed with them.
oh no, not the heckin voicerinos!
>You can hate
>Or you can create
Is this consent to use his voice for Dreamybull audio recreations?
Can AI even make noises like that?
STOP USING MY VOICE WITHOUT CONSENT CHUD!! YOU ARE LITERALLY RAPING ME!!
AI will put voice actors, localizers, writers, and any other piece of shit out of business and that will be a fantastic day. AI also makes it so I can make these fricks say slurs.
I think all English voice actors should be raped AND killed.
AI voices?
Raping?
AI voice tools?
Voice actors?
Mods?
Why do you make a buttfrickingly moronic post of hyperbole instead of just starting an actual conversation about the subject?
>expecting normal discussion on fricking Ganker
huh? I think you got the wrong board, buddy.
oh look,nuGanker having another inmature contrarian opinion
im going back to /vp/
What's immature about it? The cat's out of the bag. As long as AI audio is tagged as AI and not being passed off as real this is happening whether we want it to or not.
AI sucks if you like it's output you sre a big time loser.
The big time losers are the ones AI and robots will replace.
Artists deserve every bit of scorn for being uppity and rejecting commissions.
Don't make it so obvious that your mad because an artist rejected your weird perverted hentai commission bro.
It doesn't matter if I make it obvious or not, it's a fact that they're becoming obsolete and will starve. All that matters is that I get the last laugh.
How does one go about creating a female voice in AI?
I'm new to this and want to try.
What programs do I need and what steps do I take
This shit is so fricking moronic.
There are only 3 points with this issue that should matter.
>1. if I sample/splice the work of a VA and use it for commercial purposes while passing it off as work of the VA, I’m rightfully in legal shit.
>2. If I use software to perfectly mimic the frequency/pitch/tone of a VA’s voice for whatever purpose, and pass it off as having been done by the VA, then I’m rightfully in legal shit.
>3. If I do the same as #2, commercial reasons or otherwise, and don’t credit the VA (or for extra protection, credit myself or whoever did the audio work for me), then anyone who wants to cry about it can go frick themselves.
tl;dr you can’t own a a general pitch+frequency profile.
The issue isn't the pitch it's the performance.
It's one thing to say, "I'm gonna get Futaba's VA, in Futaba's general voice, to do a different character for my game" to "I'm just gonna put Futaba in everything but name in my game"
Honestly at that point you're not just in trouble with the VA though, but anyone that's worked on the character. Writer and character designer included.
Who cares? They don't own it and will become obsolete anyway. VA isn't a career and shouldn't be treated as such.
>though it was a legit discussion
>just another AI pajeet
YOU DON'T OWN NOTHIN SIRS
NOT EVEN YOUR VOICE
just call it a parody. problem solved
Free Use is not guaranteed in these cases.
go frick yourself. If i want an AI sex Audio with my favorite VA then i will do it.
Because we all know that these woke VA would never have the ball to do that for fans.
you aint shit cuh
Having a hard time caring what mgsgays are saying
I like when people make cool stuff with AI, combining things and prompts I haven't considered. The 80s fantasy movie reimaginations were pretty uniformly fun, for instance.
I like it a little less when it's just facsimile (like the shitload of AI art generated using the FFT artist's work and style) but at least if it's like new poses for characters and such, I can roll with it, so long as it's acknowledged.
I think it's dumb when it gets dressed up in some crusade against artists/VAs, while being blatantly clear that you want what they do, just without paying of it. I mean, do that if you want to, just don't pull the wool over my eyes.
It's the most revolutionary thing in decades and it still gets bogged down by petty spite on one site and panicked whinging on the other, all centered around once again wanting an enemy to fight against day and night. It's just tiresome.
This anon gets it. What AI evangelists need to understand is the reason the public hates AI and AI people isn't because they're afraid they'll lose their jobs, it's because the sheer vitriol and scorn that AI people spout against actual artists is what turns people off.
To be fair, I think artists blow the gasket a lot as well. I just think much of this could have been mitigated at the start, but AI had a huge leftover NFT-grift techboom rush, with all the necessary jargon that entails. Artists reacted out of emotion rather than reason, though yeah I'd probably get mad too. But even when it simmered down, there's just constant spiteful gotchas and it all just starts over and over again.
>Artists reacted out of emotion rather than reason,
No, they pretty much acted out of reason when they realized AIBlack folk were using their work to train a bot. You have legit pa/g/eet shills spamming this garbage everywehre and acting exactly like NFT sellers.
2 more weeks and "it will improve" is all they can say, while bullying people on twitter and going for strawman arguments with morons who dont know better
>nyooooo im being bullied! save me government regulation!!
nice "argument" aitard, try twitter
you're the one kvetching about being "bullied" on twitter by indians in the first place thoughbeit
>2 more weeks and "it will improve" is all they can say,
Technology always improves but it's rarely implemented by its users for stability, compatibility or familiarity reasons. Like gifs are inferior to webms but webm creation is rarely adopted.
Nah AI will genuinely replace 90% of artists in terms of professional work
Gee. I'm sure this will work. There is no way telling the Internet not to do something will backfire in any way.
>copying stuff its wrong if china does it
>its fine if anyone else does it
anyway VA are shit 99% of the time
>literal billionaires invent technology to make them more money
>Ganker sucks them off and cheers its progress because of epic contrarianism
We deserve the goyslop future we're headed for.
I really hope it humbles the frick out of artists because they are lazy as all shit. Laziest people on the planet in current year. VAs on the other hand are already dirt cheap. I used to think otherwise but the bayo controversy proved me wrong and then I found out recently a Ganker anon is fricking dubbing anime like he said he would so really VAs are fricking cheap as frick. Artists can go suck a dick though
Of course these people aren't happy, they would be out of a job if game developers could just get AI companies to do some voice work for their games. The tech is getting better every day so its only a matter of time before pronunciation and tones improve.
Need a geeky voice? AI
Need a generic action dude? AI
Need something between? AI.
cant wait for ai little girls to have fun with in vr
why settle for a fake when you can have the real thing?
because one is real and the other isn't . the same reason why i jerk off to porn and not even bother with prostitutes
Idea: Accelerate it.
If ai voices get good enough, and enough people are able to replicate other's voices, then nobody will be held accountable for what they say irl.
Cancel culture will go away, because they can't hold anyone accountable. The only thing you could do is record them on video, but that may also be admissible soon with deepfakes.
Deepfakes are already getting good enough to fool most people, there was a whole hoax video where someone deepfaked a toddler having a nightmare while making phone holding swiping motions with its hands.
wew that was fake?
Remember, You own nothing, not even your voice. No be happy
Captcha: GG GG VA
I've never thought ownership was a good thing, it's a scam by greedy people who don't want to share. Buying land is the most moronic shit of all time.
>candlemakers complaining about the lightbulb
>taxi drivers complaining about Uber
People will ree on this matter now but the truth is that within 2 or 3 generations, voice acting will no longer be a career, simple as.
Is that a good thing though? Why is it preferable to you that all the careers, even creative careers once thought to be untouchable, will be replaced by robots and AI? Where does that leave humanity, in the end?
Why should they be untouchable? Because they're jobs people want to do?
I wanted to drive for a living but I'm not going down that road now because career drivers will be obsolete soon. Lucky I can drive all I want in my own time just like artists can draw when they want.
Driving costs me $50 a week but I still do it. What's their excuse?
Big fish in a small pond reasoning.
Fake "artists" inflate the amount of big fish in the pond so they feel less special.
The overwhelming amount of artists are not sakimichan, anon.
I don't know who that is
We need less people in the world anyway...
someone called her.
I mean I get that it signals to crappy producers but a lot of this stuff is nonprofit and done out of hobby and love for the characters.
I just find it weird how AI serves as a tool to leverage one's imagination and it's demonized for hurting someone's bottom line but said people using the technology were never in a position to be these people's bosses in the first place. I side with the users.
Did the put solid snake as an ai cucking raiden?
Hey um tsss, like I know but... I just don't care okay? Gosh I just don't care at all that AI is using voices and art without permission and taking employment opportunities away. I wont argue that it isn't because whether it is or not is irrelevant because well... tsss I just don't care, sorry artists I just don't.
too fricking bad. Voices are not unique enough to copyright. Thousands of people can do an accurate impersonation of another person's voice with training and practice.
In fact, I can train the AI model for your shitty voice on a good impersonator and you cannot prove that I didn't.
You used AI
AI is the devil
End of story.
neural networks aren't AI you moron.
>en
Don't care. Come back when Yuuki Aoi, Takahashi Rie, Kugimiya Rie, or Hayami Saori start complaining.
I NEED TO AOI YUUKI TO TELL ME HOW TO CHANGE MY CARS OIL IN ENGLISH RIGHT FRICKING NOW
>kyoto-ben aoi: here, lemme show ya how a real woman handles a dipstick, ufufu
Hayter, like Steve Blum or that other gay whose name i forgot, is a hack that can only do a single type of voice
Don't think this has anything to do with Hayter. There are characters other than Snake in Metal Gear, you know?
It's not Hayter
it's Paul Eiding who did the Colonel's voice who's complaining
Poor bastard is gonna drown in meme especially with AIs now being a actual thing
Nolan North?
Troy Baker?
Bryce Papenbrook?
Troy Baker, thanks
AI chads winning as usual.
It will be regulated.
If someone wants to use AI for shitposts and comedy nobody gives a frick.
If you want to use it so Nolan North voices your shitty Steam game, you won't be able to.
Commercial vs non commercial use, that's it.
>If you want to use it so Nolan North voices your shitty Steam game, you won't be able to.
yes i will
Steam is banning AI content from their stores.
Soon everyone else will too, when the credit card companies crack down it's unironically Joever.
> Banning AI
Why would they do that? It's like banning a tool.
> Oh nice chair, wait, you did it with the aid of a hammer? Sorry but your chair isn't legal.
AI creates shit from it's database, meaning it can easily generate bootlegs from nothing at an imense volume and at very high speeds.
It can easily be used to launder money, just do something illegal, generate a million of AI bullshit and sell it through steam, buy it back.
It's a loophole that will quickly be dealt with.
you are utterly delusional
It's the literal reason why sales of AI generated items are banned on Pixiv.
Steam is worried more about copyright, but mass generation of fake items for money laundering is absolutely an issue for them too.
>sales of AI generated items are banned on Pixiv.
only some of it is banned, most isn't.
steam isn't worried at all and neither is big tech(the people pushing it)
You do realize I could just shit out a 5 min RPGMaker game, "sell" it on steam and hire a bunch of chinese bots to buy it if I wanted to money launder right? AI not required. Or better yet do what "real" artists do and throw some paint at a $5 Walmart canvas and "sell" it for a few million like the current rich do.
>Steam is banning AI content from their stores.
No they aren't you fricking moron. You literally fell for fake reddit news lol.
Yes.
okay but this whole shitstorm was over a mod wasn't it?
A lot of us aren't moronic enough to use AI to make a Batman comic book or an original game using AI gen voices just because we can't cut Britt Baron or Charles Martinet a check for a project intended to sell on Steam. It's just dumb hobby shit for most of us.
>If someone wants to use AI for shitposts and comedy nobody gives a frick.
lmao
Voices are not unique, you can’t copyright them. Otherwise people wouldn’t be legally allowed to do impressions. On top of that this is just one and zeros and you can adjust the parameters to your liking, so no it’s not Monica Rial in my indie game, it’s my sister :^)
if someone makes a new death scream out of an AI trained on the original wilhelm scream will anyone care or could it be compared to when movies use CGI to put dead actors in
Nothing will stop me from using AI to make lewd Yordle dirty talking.
Please post some.
I put the new Forgi's on the Jeep
Show me
?t=17
That's not what I was expecting. I guess that's what happens when you're not hip with the young people's slang
DEATH TO ALL ARTISTS.
Can AI voices imitate emotions like sadness or just screaming in different tones?
Not against it, just asking.
yes
voice to voice can replicate most emotions but you need to have a good input, text to voice is harder but the best ones can sometimes pull it off
for the latter I think it's a similar problem to image generation: not enough specification in parameters
if someone ever bothers making a tts that can control exact pitch, length, emotion etc. as parameters, THEN we'll see some real shit, but who knows
>You wouldn't want to rape them would you?
Yes I would.
Look, I'm just saying -- if someone AI modded Chun-Li's voice in SF6 to be Laura Bailey again, I will not fight against it.
People who make fun of this have no marketable skills.
It's scary as frick if the skill you honed over decades and depend on for your livelihood is now replaced by a computer program that uses your own voice without you being compensated.
No one fricking cares how talented you are. Only what you put out.
People afraid of AI have one marketable skill. I can't imagine not having multiple skills, how sheltered do you have to be for this to threaten your livelyhood?
Unless you genuinely dip your toes into everything, there's always going to be one specific thing you specialize in that you build your livelihood upon. An anesthesiologist is rarely going to be disciplined well enough in other fields for a rebound if that career path were to close up. Most people want and wish for stability.
That's fricking bullshit. People shouldn't limit themselves to one thing if they want to succeed. If they didn't want to be replaced, they would've specialized in more things instead of wasting time polishing their talents to a microscopic point.
There's only so much anyone can do. People who get consumed by one job that takes up a lot of their time and devote time to their family afterwards, they sure as hell would prefer to be able to do what they do until retirement. And that's not even getting into the point that "jack of all trades master of none" is a saying for a reason. If you don't hone your skills, you won't succeed in the one field you specialize in, but if you try to do everything at the same time, you'll still be outclassed by people who do specialize, and when you inevitable restart your career from 0, you're once again outclassed by people who specialized harder.
I dunno man, this just sounds like easy sigma grindset answers and platitudes.
>career
There's no such thing. Only opportunities until the well dries up, then you move onto the next opportunity. Careers as people used to know them are an invalid and obsolete concept.
Isn't that the opposite of any form of stability though?
Stability is nice, which is why I pick up new skills that will continue to be useful for the foreseeable future, even in an apocalypse scenario in some cases.
That's what I call job security, not betting it all on that one dream job
This. Adaptability rules the day over talent. People want someone who can do a million things decently instead of one thing with expert precision. There's no point in learning something to a masterful degree when a machine achieve similar quality in a fraction of the time. Better to put all your time and effort in a million things and never be useless than to almost reach the capability of machines.
>People who make fun of this have no marketable skills.
Might be true but I don't think you understand what's really going on at a fundamental level.
The people with skills have a boosted ego that they shouldn't have, that's where the problem lies. Do you even understand what I mean by this?
>is now replaced by a computer program
This is a good thing, it's called progress. No one cares about the paper deliveryman because we have e-mail and Ganker. There have been uncountable amounts of of tech advancements like this that have invalidated skills and they're positives for mankind. Don't weep for the candlemaker, enjoy our LEDs.
> The people with skills have a boosted ego that they shouldn't have.
They deliver useful things to society, why shouldn't they have a boosted ego over people that don't?
Because AI is leveling the playing ground between those who didn't have the time nor ability to reach their skill level and those who wasted so much time and effort elevating themselves so high up.
It doesn't.
It's simply taking the work of the later and packaging it on a software model to profit from it.
All the value in AI comes exclusively from the work done by the skilled useful people, the fact that tech startups don't want to pay to use it is their problem, one that is easily solvable.
It does. AI voice isn't like art you dumbass. You can steal voices but the core technology wasn't using samples.
The point is, did the voice samples of the actual voice actor got used as training data?
Because if so, then you need to pay for a license to use it that way commercially.
No they didn't. You can sample your own voice and have a high quality AI version of yourself.
>have a high quality AI version of yourself
It'd unironically take less effort to just do the lines yourself at that point. How little faith do you have in your own abilities that you trust a machine to do you better than you?
???
>gets caught up like a moron in a simple example
What the frick is wrong with you?
>have moronic example
>get called out for making a moronic statement
>uhh, your the moron!
moron
It's a simple example you don't have to think twice about. And then you go off on a completely nonsensical and pointless rant for no reason. You are completely off topic you low IQ ape.
You could upload the training to anyone to use, dumbass.
>use voice samples of the actual voice actor
>he asks: did you use my voice to train?
>"no"
end of story
That's actually a weird thing where an studio could license a very good impersonator to make training data with instead.
I just want Sean Connery back to read e-girlcon fanfiction.
>They deliver useful things to society
Translation: they are normal people subject to having normal tech advancements invalidate them. And yet they don't act like it, do they?
Twitter continuing to show how big of a mistake it was
Why do people hate AI so much? With technological advancement comes the loss of some jobs it's only natural. I say we go full steam ahead.
Luddites exist in every time period and they have always lost.
I hate the attitude around AI much more than AI itself, whether it's the doomposting from artists or the self-righteous "we re democratizing everything you are obsolete don't bother to learn art or anything just leave it to AI" shit. It's the grift I despise, not the tech.
Sometimes, the truth hurts, but it's natural for people to lash out. That being the case, people realizing everything they've done up to this point has been for nothing will naturally result in people feeling a great urge to lash out against the thing replacing them. Good riddance. We don't need useless people in the future. Maybe they can go learn something useful for once, like how to mine ore or how to grow vegetables. We don't need creatives, we need do-ers.
But it's not even that they were useless. People on Ganker right now pretend like they always hated artists, but that's complete bullshit, there were always some they liked and most just do their own thing without bothering anyone. But because some are moronic on twitter, it's like everyone turned on a dime and now they're all useless, they're all pointless, always have been and we always hated them. Like I've played this spiel with some games on Ganker, but I can't do it anymore, I can't just warp my mind from A to B and pretend I always believed B, just because it's currently fashionable to hate A.
>but that's complete bullshit
No one actually likes the drawthreads on Ganker. Drawgays are literal dramagay prostitutes who produce jack shit in terms of culture.
They don't start pretending, most who realize the sheer idiocy of the debate have long stopped trying to engage with it, leaving only an echochamber to the shitposters and the few genuine contrarians. I mean, this is the same board which has Ganker the musical each year. Thing is, most who participate in these, or drawing OC, have no reason and don't post in such threads. I mean, look at the first reply you got, and the type of people you're dealing with.
Sorry ACTOR B, you sound too much like Harrison Ford and we can't afford the vocal licence for him.
>rise in impersonation and vocal coaaches
>rubs hands furiously together because actors can't get work because they sound too close to another actor part of the voice actors guild/grift
My favorite thing about the modern internet is that we still have an endless abundance of internet tough guys but now we can see their actual faces because they posted their identities online due to being too fricking stupid.
Also, why are left-wing yankees okay with literally every form of violence except for the use of firearms?
It’s a mystery.
Voice actors should be able to copyright their voice easier than drawerers. Thr lady that speaks for bart doesnt own the voice, fox(disney) does. The voice actress for Lisa owns hers since its her real voice.
pic related because you wont read about the reality of the situation otherwise.
Ganker, you wiener sucker
They can have my outside voice. They'll never replicate my inside voice.
voice acting is a profession that will go away in less than 20 years and it will only take long because they will kick and struggle to stay relevant
You can't copyright a voice? what if I have the same voice, are you going to sue me?
This is never going to be made illegal for the simple reason that people are doing it for free. Fair-use license of whatever they call it. If microsoft had made a new halo game, however, and made new voices in the game through ai of previous va's, that would have been different and probably wouldn't have been allowed.
Pretty sure companies legally have ownership of the actors and their likeness, which includes their voices.
Even if AI can perfectly synthesize a voice, voice acting still requires acting.
AI actors soon. Why can't we just replace them, anyway? Hell, I can imagine writers and directors being the first on the chopping block on Hollywood.
In the wise words of Morgana:
"When someone tells us to stop doing something, it just makes us want to do it more!"
Fanbox completely banned AI today
India lost
no sirs, this is a great setback to us becoming world superpower by 2030
This is the 4th big platform that banned AI in the last 30 days
Its over isnt it?
it's just more fake news
>Make a character voice say "boty booty booty" using AI
>The VA is now literally homeless
This power...once only for the gods
Honestly it often feels like given the chance, much of Ganker would absolutely jump on the chance to become the israelites, same tactics and all, just without the baggage that is the israelites themselves
After all, why shouldn't I be the israelites?
>this is okay
>but AI voices saying things i disagree with isn't okay!
Even though they probably would, Gearbox, the owners of the Duke Nukem character, never signed off on their character making political statements like this.
Am I supposed to believe AI is any worse than this?
I genuinely think companies in general should crack down on fanart as a whole.
I can't wait for AI to get so good that people only draw/sing/make vidya because they genuinely enjoy it and not to get famous.
2 more weeks
Not how it works.
Handcrafted will always be valued over generated, people will pay for the former but won't pay for the later.
The majority of consumers don't value anything
This guy is unironically arguing that theatre makes more money than DVD.
but its ok to use celebrities images for ai art?
fanwork is just fantheft, there is NO moral reason to allow it. if you make mods for character that was based on a real-life model you ARE basically raping them.
any mods should be vetted and approved by the developers.
I want to talk to my computer and then it makes stuff. That is the dream. I want Star Trek computers.
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So we are banning celebrity impersonators too? Isn't that the same thing? What's the difference here, and why are corporations protected from this and the common man is not?
Frick you 🙂
it's not the same because heckin AI makes it so anyone can do them meaning me and my impersonator are not speshul anymore!!!!
i sBlack personed
Do the profits you get from not using voice actors even make up for the possible damages a potential lost Copyright case for using AI?
Just looking at it from a corporate perspective, does it even makes sense?
If my company is on the AAA space is much better to pay some idiot a few thousand of dollars than to get sued by millions because I used some AI shit scrapped from Disney or whatever.
cope.
Answer it Black person.
arrest
Whatever just buy their likeness and use it, or get some 3rd party 2nd rate ones to give their likeness and the modify it until it's god tier, having a VA that can give infinite voicelines, never needs pay, flexible at all times is too valueable
just use the AI voice to make a statement where the actor allows the use
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>gobbo girl gets skewered
>elf girl all smiles
It's too smart.
I have the voice files of every voice actor in every bethesda games and I WILL use them to make mods cant stop me.
We passed the point of no return a long time ago, so I don't want to see this train stopping at any time. We're going all the way, baby.
>it's like raping them.
I want to do it too now.
how to get into AI?
>As a self described lefty