Why do video games insist on saying that dex is speed and strength is power?
Power is speed. The stronger guy is always faster.
The only thing that matters in fighting and combat is a persons weight. The stronger person IS faster. No such thing as dex.
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Dex users are also trannies
Agility is speed
Dex is situational power (stacking multipliers)
Str is raw power (pure damage)
Dex is about avoiding and bypassing
Str is about ignoring and carving through
It's why stealth relies more on Dex than Str
Go to the gym, and see how fast squats make you
Squats with good forms as low as you can go will make you fast as frick, I hope you weren’t memeing about this. You’re probably thinking of the Lineman who eats 3000 calories a day and has a surplus of fat, that has nothing to do with his squatting power. Linemen don’t want to run that fast, they are supposed to be unloveable objects and use squats to become “heavier” in most cases, that’s just how their muscle is built. But you absolutely can use squats to make your legs more powerful and become faster. I would throw in leg press and body squats too
>unlovable
Does that mean we're all linemen, anon?
I know you meant unmovable
For sprinters with good form, squats are the logical next step to make them faster. How fast you can run depends on how much force you can produce with your legs. Black person, have you ever looked at a single sprinter? Even a normal guy who's not a sprinter will see benefits in his sprint time from squats.
you think sprinters don't do squats? lmao they have tree trunk legs Black person
Dexterity is that thing that lets you use a spear better than a gorilla. Humans can throw a baseball much harder despite gorilla have much more muscle mass.
dex is not a real stat
agi is, however, very much real
I have low Dex so I can't preform brain surgery or write that well
>can't preform brain surgery or write that well
that's low int, moronbro, and have nothing to do with dex
I guess people with cerebral palsy are just dumb.
in a way that would be factually correct, yes
Dexterity is real stat, however it's completely misunderstood.
For starters - it has nothing to do with speed and should coexist with agility. AGI is purely physical stat (fe. how fast you can run, how nimble are you), DEX is more mind-based (fe. can you throw darts).
In real world there are obese men who can use bows, throw darts etc. properly. There are also great athletes who suck at it.
what you're describing is just agi
that includes slight of hand and ability to do splits
>that includes slight of hand and ability to do splits
Nope. AGI = "person can run fast". There's no overlap here, you can't see obese person running marathons but you can see obese person winning at darts.
your stat literally doesn't exist, your examples are just skills that take time to get good at (like any skill)
how would your imaginary stat impact a maxed out lockpick? he would huff and grunt less while picking a lock? lol. what about an artist?
> your examples are just skills that take time to get good at (like any skill)
Most stats also increase in RPGs anon, because you can improve at them. Just like people get stronger in real life with practice.
Usually an RPG would have DEX which then governs a set of skills, like lockpicking, and your DEX score would multiply with your lockpicking skill, or allow a higher maximum or let your learn faster, etc. ect.
They are all made up stats, even INT in most RPGs is really just book knowledge and facts not like your actual IQ or learning agility.
>Most stats also increase in RPGs anon, because you can improve at them. Just like people get stronger in real life with practice.
You can't go from human strength to ogre strength by practice moronbro. Unless some magic frickery is involved, you're going to stay within your designated human average.
>You can't go from human strength to ogre strength by practice moronbro
You are just switching topics now. And yeah many rpgs also have stat caps that may be different between races. Doesn't change the fact that a human could be 10 STR or 20 STR, or could start at 16 STR and then be at 20 STR 6 - 8 levels later.
Strength is trained, just like other stats/skills.
>your stat literally doesn't exist, your examples are just skills that take time to get good at (like any skill)
Dex exists. Call it bodily-kinesthetic intelligence but it exists.
>how would your imaginary stat impact a maxed out lockpick?
You may know how to pick a lock but with shaky hands you won't be able to achieve much.
>picking locks, preforming card tricks, and drawing are feats of agility
Dex is precision
dex its place but it's most like reaction
>The stronger guy is always faster.
kind of true
people are just born fast, and they are also stronger than other people, we call them athletes or elites
you can train them to be even stronger and as long as you don't make them too heavy, they are better off for it
but a normie can't be made that much faster by getting stronger, they just can't act fast enough, which could be described as low dex
>people are just born fast, and they are also stronger than other people, we call them athletes or elites
You sound like a fricking anime character who doesn't know how real world works.
it sounds like it, but it's unfortunately true
we aren't born the same and some people are just faster or slower than others because they can literally use more of their muscle and faster too
it's the same athletic difference between men and women just less so between men and other men or women and other women
in extreme cases, an athletic woman will kick the ass of any normal man, but an athletic man will smoke any athletic woman
common sense? what do you think resistance training does to man kek
the newbie gains alone work wonders for anyone
are they going to train to be an advanced lifter? frick no, but leaving all those ez gains on the table is moronic
>we aren't born the same and some people are just faster or slower than others because they can literally use more of their muscle and faster too
It doesn't mean that "people are born fast".
Yes, some people have genetic predisposition to run fast or lift heavy objects but it doesn't mean they are born with it. If person with good genes spends all their life shitposting on Ganker won't run nowhere as fast as some average Joe who's riding bicycle every other day.
you're wrong
they are literally faster and stronger than all the other little kids from the moment they were born
crawling fast, running faster, jumping higher, hitting harder, etc.
Like a chao?
>you're wrong
So you're saying that kid with good genetics who does nothing and sits all day long eating potato chips will run faster than kid with worse genetics in T&F club?
a kid? yeah of course, in months he'd catch up and surpass the other kid, especially if the other one was born below avg
its why schools test their kids' vertical jumps, if they notice its high, they're going to tell chubby lazy toby to put the work in because he's going to go farther than most anyone else
even as an adult there'd be atrophied fatties who made the lifestyle change and can end up mogging some other guys who've been active all their lives
>in months he'd catch up
That's a lot of text to just say "no".
you said will run faster, and he will
try to think of a better question next time
Weight lifters are not faster than sprinters.
and sprinters that don't lift are slower than those who do
Proof?
>Power is speed. The stronger guy is always faster.
You couldn't be more wrong. Just for you - I've created image so you can note the difference.
The RAW power guy can punch faster than the lean guy
0. We're talking about "speed", not "striking speed".
1. No, he can't. In theory having a lot of muscles allows that but in reality that's not the case due to greater mass. Yes, raw power guy can strike much harder but his punch won't be faster.
2. Additionally, powerlifters get tired really quickly. That's the reason why MMA matches aren't dominated by strongmen.
Genuinely delusional.
Most Olympic runners are like 6ft 180+lbs. That's obviously not power man levels but they're still big men.
180lbs is average weight for that height
>The stronger guy is always faster.
so that's why sprinters weigh 300 pounds.
yeah, because half of the first world is literally obese. if you have 10-15% bodyfat as a man of average height and you weigh >160 pounds you're strong. look at some UFC "lightweight" fighters. that's the "155 pound" division but they cut water to make that number, so their real walking around weight is in the range of 160-170 pounds. pic related are two such fighters, both average height (5'10 and 5'11). do these guys not look "strong"? because they are strong. very strong.
the idea that men of normal height should weigh 200 pounds comes from FAT powerlifters. given a healthy level of bodyfat only TALL men should ever weigh 200 pounds or more.
they're power man except they focus on different set of muscles for different purposes but they're power man nontheless
You get the difference between Strength and Dexterity in games, but you don't know it. They're both well trained, just differently. The fact that games use the term Dexterity is moronic, but the point is that the Dex user is strong with lean muscles, while the Str user is the typical weight lifter with big muscles.
>Most Olympic runners are like 6ft 180+lbs. That's obviously not power man levels but they're still big men.
I've just checked Usain's Bolt BMI. It's normal.
So yeah, they are big men if you think about height but they aren't big men weight-wise.
>Why do video games insist on saying that dex is speed and strength is power?
To split stats up for builds. That's literally it.
>Why do video games insist on saying that dex is speed and strength is power?
lean muscle consumes LESS ENERGY for the SAME OUTPUT as bulk muscle
you can say DEX is more like a CON thing but that's not quite accurate
real life doesn't have stats, but STR and DEX being considered different is more based in reality than how you believe it is
DEX is considered speedy because a sprinter winds in 30 seconds while a marathon runner maintains for hours
the sprinter is not built to run a marathon, they are most likely incapable
>b-
no
By that logic, I guess Usain Bolt would kick Mike Tyson's ass then, eh?
Mikes punches are ironically to fast for him lol.
You idiots never learned about slow and fast twitch muscles, have you?
Dex=Guns
Str=Melee
Int=Magic
The whole bows should be str meme is funny and all but you need dex to aim
Here’s how I’d do it
>str determines how hard you hit
>having more str than necessary to use a weapon also increases your weapon attack speed, up to a certain point, because in real life, a man who can lift 150 pounds is going to swing a stick weighing 50 pounds faster than a man who can only lift 50 pounds would, but only as much as the stick’s material allows
>having more dexterity allows you to use fancier moves, like flourishes and parry
>agility let’s you move faster, but not swing faster
>because in real life, a man who can lift 150 pounds is going to swing a stick weighing 50 pounds faster than a man who can only lift 50
In real life no one is swinging weapons weighting 50 pounds. Zweihander (two handed sword) weights less than 9 pounds, fricking warhammers weight less than 5 pounds. While some baseline strength is actually required to use them it all boils down to endurance.
If you want to really get technical:
>Strength is just amount of force applied = how hard you can swing a sword or pull a sharp edge across resistance or drawing the string of a bow or how fast you run.
>Dexterity is how precise you are with your body movements.
>Dex = Agility
Or in other words, strength is gross motor skills (riding a bike with your legs), dex is fine motor skills (fenagling a pen or coin between your fingers or slipping through a fenced gate).
Str makes your head go all the way around while Dex stabs you in the neck
Sure, yeah.
cont.
You need a little bit of Dex to utilize higher Strength levels. It helps to be able to aim your sword you put the force of a thousand bulls into or kick someones skill into a splatter onto the floor instead of stomping the ground.
Dex is a force multiplier for Strength, while Strength is like the icing on the cake for Dex. If you're very dexterous, but you can't pierce the monster's hide right at the spot where you need to, then it doesn't matter you're really precise.
Str opens up opportunities while Dex can let them actually be used
That's not what I said.
Dex = Technique/Finesse
>Power is speed. The stronger guy is always faster.
So true.
Take the most roided out boxer and get them totally wasted before a fight and see how many of their punches are glancing blows, this is why DEX is important for damage.
Frick now I'm trying to remember what game I played where someone has the quote either 'speed is power' or 'power is speed'
I like that Dex in pso2 means damage variance and minimum damage taken
Dexterity should be about accuracy or proficiency, but nobody wants to play a video game where the main character has to deal with random bouts of clumsiness.
Dex is the crit/multiplier stat
More muscle means more mass which means you are slower you dumbfrick, even DBZ addresses this.
>more mass which means you are slower
1. this guy has an actual, documented genetic mutation, he's the only cyclist with quads that big (who makes it past doping tests).
2. you will never see a successful runner look like this. it's only due to the low impact nature of cycling that heavy legs like this are suitable for going "fast". you might as well post pictures of a muscular rower to prove that a giant back makes you "fast". or I could post a picture of a skinny F1 driver to prove that muscles are detrimental to going fast.
>I can run faster because I bench press
Dex is body control or muscle memory. Producing force with your muscles is one thing, being able to do the right movement is a completely different thing.
Swinging a club at an enemy requires very little muscle memory or precision, you literally just swing it as hard as you can.
Swinging a huge 2-handed sword requires a lot of strength, but it also requires you to keep the blade at a certain angle to how you move the sword, otherwise it won't cut.
That's how dex and strength work together.
UGS chuds coping with inferior weapon taste for 10 years straight since ds1
I'm playing Magic Katana and spamming star shower anyway ok
I think it is harder to implement weapon weights to every weapon than it is to just have a separate speed stat to your player.
If you have strength and speed tied together, it would be determined by weapon weight to sort things out.
Knives are light. It does not take much strength to wield a knife. Strength would not scale well with lower weight weapons.
In effect, all you come down to is you need x amount of strength to wield this weapon effectively.
For accuracy, this is not shown through strength or speed at all.
You would then need either weapon class mastery (bow, sword, etc.) or some other nebulous precision, int, whatever stat to capture the fact that you need skill to hit something.
Seems like more work to me than just saying
>this guy is faster so he uses fast weapons
Good post
STR = Damage
DEX = Accuracy/Skill
You can be built like a brick shithouse and still be clumsy and untrained with a sword or any weapon that requires finesse and precision.
This applies to bows too, strength lets you draw a heavy bow while dexterity lets you actually hit something.