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kino i wanted to play the remaster a week ago or so but honestly it aged like dogshit
Judging by how little changed between demos, and the new mission we got to play; it will be mediocre. 5/10 should have been a dlc for DE.
>5/10 should have been a dlc for DE.
But...this IS the DE
Whatever, you get the gist of it.
I can't wait for someone to screech about $3 campaign DLC
>no skirmish dlc
it could be so easy
hmmmm
WHAT Black person
hmmmmmmm
will we ever get a stronghold where there are crusaders, eastern europeans, chinese, arabs, aztecs fighting on the same map?
it's called AoE2
>AoE is anything like Stronghold
why dont you try actually playing the game you're discussing
Yeah aoe but stronghold
>I hope it's not dogshit.
Thats a lot to ask from modern Firefly
Do you guys know whether the editor has been reworked or improved in some way?
Doubt it, they haven't made a big number about it atleast.
Definitiv Edition, dumkopf.
Stronghold DE? Was ist deutsch daran?
>No skirmish trails or ai skirmish
I like the campaign of one, I'll get it on sale but ultimately wait for the inevitable Crusader Remaster
why another one of those gay cartoon artstyles? half of it now looks like an ai generated childrens coloring book, and the other half looks like one of those free to play browser strategy games that used to get advertised everywhere
AoE2DE looks the same way.
yes, and i don't think that was a good style choice either
morons gobble it up and insist you are baiting on here if you dare criticize it.
"I don't like thing" isn't a criticism.
aoe 1 and 2 as well as stronghold and crusader had an artstyle bordering on what is now called pixel art. creativity works best when you need to figure something out with limited options. in this case, creating an inspired and coherent aesthetic and athmosphere for these games. replacing pixel art with whatever we have here is hardly an improvement. what annoys me the most is the inconsistency, really
And who said that AoE2 players want anything changed besides higher resolution and more content? How are AoE3 and AoE4 doing, btw?
AoE4 is doing about the same as 2
https://steamcharts.com/app/813780
>Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition
>Last 30 Days
>Avg. Players 15,937.9
https://steamcharts.com/app/1466860
>Age of Empires IV: Anniversary Edition
>Last 30 Days
>Avg. Players 8,503.0
check again, b***h
nothing more than a temporary bump, won't even last a month
I'll be back in a month.
Not even remotely fricking close to true. Go wash your mouth out with soap.
It's not pixel art, I don't know why people think this shit.
It's sprites that where made from 3d models, it looks pixely because it's low resolution. The DE versions of AoE use the same method they just have more rotations on the sprite sheet and higher resolution for the final sprites.
Same thing with Starcraft
Also Tibsun and Red Alert 2 except the vehicles which were voxel models.
English is not your first language and possibly not one at all.
Yeah we are too busy playing the game to graphics homosexualry
The only reason it exists is graphics homosexualry.
lol I forgot what DE looks like because I only play with classic graphics mods and settings to make it look as close to HD as possible. So much bloom. What were they thinking?
>and the other half looks like one of those free to play browser strategy games that used to get advertised everywhere
Maybe you don't remember anon, but I do
>Stronghold looks like stronghold
Say it ain't so
Someone tell me you can change back the face of your count, I bet some dev made a photo of his face and replaced the original masterpiece with his shmuk.
Count? Do you mean the monk guy at the bottom right?
Yeah.
The old scribe was not retrievable so that's why they had to make a new one, but they will be including the upscaled version of the old one.
What do you mean "not retrievable"? It's just a 2d sprite made from a 3d model, no?
?t=49
>the original model sadly wasn't retrievable when developing DE due to an old plug-in no longer working so when we tried to export the original scribe's model... well... maybe it's just better if I show you
>pic related
The old scribe was not retrievable so that's why they had to make a new one, but they will be including the upscaled version of the old one.
I think in one of the dev videos they said some other models were irretrievable as well so they had to remake them from scratch, such as trees.
That has to be the most bizarre place to use 3d in the game this old I have seen.
>tfw half-rations
wdym these late 90s games always used prerenders for characters
Even the Microsfot paperclip is one
So where did they extract it from? Because the game files shouldn't contain the 3d model anymore.
Huh?
They aren't talking about the gamefiles
They mean the development files. They can't properly use the OG 3d model anymore so they made a new one to get 2d images from.
Yeah, suspected as much. That's actually impressive already, then. Stronghold was released in 2001. And the first game the studio made, which was formed in 1999.
>40k levels of lostech in 2023
jesus
That is the laziest shit ever, there has to be a way
old scribe: looks like a monk after decades of toil and labor
new scribe: looks like an old single female trucker
Why would I buy this again? I already own it...
ai upscaled graphics and ... and um ... listen firefly really needs the money. they've had no fricking idea what to do for 21 years.
Why are Firefly utterly incapable of making anything new, all they can do us re-release the good stuff they released 20 years ago.
I really liked stronghold 2 despite its flaws, but 3 is unplayable garbage.
>set to coming soon on steam
They fricked up the timer, it's releasing on 5pm GMT
you expect too much from modern firefly, they didn't made good game since Legends, and yet they are still in business with is pretty impressive knowing how incompetent they are.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2140020/Stronghold_Definitive_Edition/
It's up
It's shit isn't it?
its literally just stronghold anon, though I'm sure you could argue if the facelift is worth the price
why's it not out on gog yet?
Yeah, is the remaster even going to visit gog?
>no skirmish
That's Stronghold Crusader.
So how's the multiplayer?
Did they expand the maps? Nothing I hate more in strategy games than cramped maps.
>yeah we made a fortress-building game where the maps are so tiny you either make Kowloon walled city or you're basically in archer range of the enemy start position
They're not that small
Not the same guy but the maps were so fricking small. This is game about building castles.
I am playing it now and this campaign has pretty small maps.
Yes they are, they should be at least 3x bigger, ideally more but I'd be fine with 3x. Would also force players to account for more directions when making the castle since it wouldn't span 3 corners of the map..
>Stronghold
more like wallhold, right?
yes they are, moron
400x400 is the largest map you can make in the editor.
Let me guess, you need "more"
I don't even like SH1's editor, I was just stating a fact.
lol I hated this shit about stronghold too. I want to build a comfy castle in my corner of the map and then send a big ass army on a days-long march to lay siege to the enemy castle
>on a days-long march
This is an RTS
But the multiplayer.
How is the multiplayer?
Barely. the game is so old they were still in the phase where you just mash units together and hope your blob wins.
Restrictions to territory space/resource limitations forces you to adapt your strategy
Shut up homosexual.
That's why your gay genre is dying
>dying
RTS is a healthy niche.
you need to go back
While there is no Skirmish AI mode, there is Steam Multiplayer Support, the original campaigns, a new narrative campaign, a new Castle Trail mode, Siege Mode, Free Build Mode, and a bunch of QoL stuff
but anon, I have no friends, and I don't want to play against sweaty germans
is it good?
I expected stronghold with QoL updates, the ability to run well on 1440p, and more missions. That's what I seem to have received, so I'm happy. Some people may want skirmish mode, and if that's key for them they may be less happy.
They can just wait for Stronghold Crusader, since that's basically what that is.
>Only good strategy games coming out are literally remakes of old games
Why do modern studios can't make good games to save their lives?
>"good games"
Is being a fad that passed a new experience to you? I TOLD you that you better fricking make AoE4 a commercial success or you're not getting a high production value RTS for years.
I don't want modern high production value, I want the high production value of the 90s and early 00s.
I also don't want AOE; Shit edition 2, and lelic don't make good games anymore.
AoE4 is trash and RTS being dead is good
Have anyone played it?
I have a question: did devs add a feature to order multiple units using shift+click or something like it?
I played the first 3 campaign missions
You can control group, but I didn't test shift click
I mean can you buy / sell multiple units or resources using shift+click? Stronghold Crusader turned into a complete clickfest without it.
Even better: you can set automatic trading
Yes there's shift click
Is there an option to switch graphics to old?
hello
why would you even pirate the game if you want the old graphics? the graphical changes are the only "benefit" this new game brings
I like how the old Stronghold looks, and I like the new mentioned features which killed the old Stronghold for me. So, does it have the feature or not?!
>can no longer press V to flatten the landscape but still see height differences
literal demake
>pic related is the first mission of the new campaign
literally fan map tier; you're supposed to run through a series of enemy patrols randomly plopped on the map
you know what, it's not fan map tier, i've seen fan map series that rivaled the original campaign in quality, this is just shit, simply shit
??????
no moron, that's the spacebar flatten feature, different from the pull down landscape feature that was under the "v" key in the original
changing the binding will not fool anyone
it doesn't
at best you can switch the scribe to the old one
and what are the "features" that killed stronghold for you?
>and what are the "features" that killed stronghold for you?
This:
But you can't click on the resource in the stockpile to go to the market menu.
Calm down.
make me, israelite
you are welcome
i'll keep my current playlist, tyvm
nice
you still angry?
i never was, i just like calling people Black folk, especially if they deserve it
stronghold 3 is shit though?
never played it
but they spent half their budget comissioning a couple great songs
That mission angered me so much. Fricking rat having horses, knights and crossbowmans and he has them more numerous on this shitty valley then wolf had on his main castle in the last mission. Completely destroying lore and looks idiotically amateur. But for some reason second mission is much better. Rat sends at your only his usual army of spearman, longbows and few maceman in decent numbers. And map looks much better with more details. Its almost like those two mission are made by two different people.
3rd or 4th mission is more of the same *~~
>the new campaign lets you make pikes and plate armour
>doesn't let you actually recruit pikemen
fricking Black folk even modders can do this properly...
Did you check the market?
Yes, I did. Can't sell these pikes and plate armours either, so I'm stuck with them taking up place in my armory.
Booted thr HD version because of this thread
Yes, I am getting filtered by the second economic mission on hard
Is that the one set in the ruins? Just disperse your industry.
The one were wolves and bears attack your camp from yhe start and you are defenseless. If you send lumberjacs to the only actual patch of wood they get mauled by bears
But dont tell me the solution, I want o crack it myself
What difficulty are you playing on?
On hard
Did it now, the AI bandits get baited a random hut in the middle of nowhere and then they frick off, ez
the music lowers the volume whenever you choose the units, whos idea was it, its horrible
thank you, I fricking hate this shit as well. It happens whenever anything in the game talks. Its so fricking annoying and moronic. The audio mixing in general is moronic in this game. The music doesn't loop enough and when there's finally a good song going on, oh no some bandits attack, ITS BATTLE MUSIC TIME FOR 10 SECONDS followed by 10 minutes of silence
homie go take a chill pill
yes im currently forcing myself to play just to check the later missions and maybe have some decent challenge down the line because i played every mission of the original campaign at least 5 times
also lowering the general voice volume (not the unit speech) to 0 removes the spikes
I found the missions getting worse and worse so I quit halfway through the second new campaign, what a pile of shit
you were right anons
the second new campaign is some moronic poorly designed slop, and the first new one was very meh aswell
their cheap, badly written copies of aoe2 intros at the beginning of each mission dont justify the purchase
>just to check the later missions and maybe have some decent challenge
bro, download missions from stronghold haven
many of them are better designed than whatever the frick is this new campaign
>first mission of the new campaign
>troops out of thin air
>game cheats in the settings menu
i see this was designed by the same people who did crusader extreme
theres no lowering the walls and other buildings button anymore, cant be bothered to make a slightly different versions of a few sprites in your cheap ai upscale "remaster" i guess
they rewrote it for unity, for some fricking reason, but not completely, some old tricks doesnt work now, like overcoming terrain differences in elevation by building a box out of walls and then a tower on top, which you can later remove and have a flat piece of terrain. Now it does work.
Imo yhe visual upgrade was well worth for AoE2 and Brood War, but for this imo the HD version is the superior one
Do you like this game?
No, its only use is for the multiplayer
I want to be profoundly angry over nothing.
Is this the thread for me?
Yes
Feels good AoE2 chads.
Are the maps bigger in DE?
I love Stronghold but the map sizes fricked with me so bad
You can make big frick-you castles but then they would take up 3/4ths of the entire map
my 100% coverage inn is providing +4 popularity
aren't they meant to provide +8?
no, that's in cr*sader
economy is way easier in that game
The mission to take the pigs castle before his army shows up is filtering me.
Oh what difficulty though
normal. Most of my men are dead before I even get in.
Wtf it looks worse than the original game. I'll never understand the hype for bad 3d.
>new campaigns
Now that's based, I'll wait till they release everything
Crusader DE with more AI characters when though?
Getting filtered by mission 12.
you can do it
not him but I am coming to the conclusion the game just isn't that fun. It's very basic.
*isn't that fun for me, specifically
It's true that it's basic but it's the spergy kind of basic that has wiggle room for min maxing and making awesome larp castles. Looking forward to manor lords for the Banished but with swords gameing once I get tired of stronghold.
Just do this senpai
This looks ugly. If you gonna cheese the game like this then just wall off the spawning area and place a bunch of towers. The archers will immiditely start shooting while the enemy is trying to group
This is my first time playing a crusaders game so I just want to win for now. I can worry about making beautiful castles later once I master the basics.
How often does playing tower defense with a maze work?
I heard from someone that there's like some names the narrator at the menu screen can say.
yeah that's true
Greetings, MEGADETH!
I'm on mission 5 and this might be one of the most boring games I've ever played. Slow as frick, with a lot of sitting around waiting
You can speed up the game, homosexual
Zoomers are just cancer in every single way, aren't they?
Take your Adderall.
The rest of us can enjoy the Two Mandolins, Castlejam and Under An Old Tree.
You want the same, but faster, try Crusader
It's RTS on a chassis of a City Builder. A battle focused City Builder. One of the few strategy games with actually cool sieges as both attackers and defenders.
Thanks to this its also far better at strategy layer and more indepth than a lot of other RTS, like AoE
Are there any other games like stronghold?
I'm looking forward to Manor Lords real bad but it doesn't come out until april.
I used to play Caesar as a kid but just like stronghold it's terribly dated.
I just wanna build castles...
Sigh.
I just want a city builder with battles and sieges.
Try They Are Billions.
>I just wanna build castles
>it's terribly dated
play minecraft or something
Black person.
Cracker
Diplomacy is no option mayhaps?
Bruh not even stronghold sequels are like stronghold.
This game is one of a kind.
Yea it's the best siege assault simulator despite its flaws. Hasn't really been topped where you can build a castle with a lively economy. Always a sense of anticipation if the AI waves will overwhelm you on very hard. The sound design is perfect. Atleast in Crusader and Stronghold 1.
holy shit it's actually fantastic . Can't wait for the inevitable Crusader Remaster/Dlc
I'm just glad I can select my color now.
I tried using pitch to throw over the walls and it might be the jankiest implentation of it possible.
W-why are you telling me this, Anon?
Cuz he is a schizo
>Getting filtered by mission 15 again after all these years
Is that the mission where you raid Pig's keep (again)? I remember that being bullshit hard.
Nah that's 18, 15 is the first time. The worst part is that it's more annoying than difficult, because you have to facetank both types of missile troops that can shoot farther and from cover. Trying to get them to target your battering ram or expendable troops like ladders doesn't work because the AI is smart enough to prioritize your own missile troops. Letting us disassemble the ram for even just two missile shields would solve so much headache.
I don't find the pig missions to be hard to be honest, I dislike the wolf den more as you have to deal with trebfrickery with no stone mining ability and pitch all over the place.
Back in the day, I used my own nine crossbowmen and abused a weird range bug where I could shoot (inaccurately) at the enemy crossbowmen, and didn't touch any other troops until the first two walls were dead. It took over an hour. :^)
With or without speed maxed out.
Without. There was a brief window where your troops advance at the enemy (they have to be moving) and the reticle turns red, but any longer than that, and the enemy crossbowmen start winding up, and you have to retreat.
There is a speed option?
+-
Yep, pluss and minus on your numbpad, the other ones might work too, but I have never played SH without a numbpad so I don't know.
There's a time limit on mission 15
Wasn't talking about mission 15. :^)
the trauma.. the trauma is back
Please tell me they at least fixed the archer bug.
I don't like how the camera is either so close that you can count the warts on the peasants, or you are commanding from the moon, I wish you could pick HD's zoom to be the default from the menu instead of fighting with it in every map.
I am on the second one and I hate it.
watch a guide
why do you even buy this game instead of HD to replay the old missions, they did not improve anything here, only made the game worse with new bugs and cut features.
I did it, thanks anyway
>buy
pirated
>why
first time playing stronghold have only played crusader before
Currently being hard-filtered, any tips?
Go in from the top along the rockface and have your spearmen dig up the moat in a thin strip until you reach the wall, have your ranged units force shoot on one enemy ranged unit at the time. Send in laddermen and macemen to take the towers and have the macemen run on the walls to capture the other towers (run the long way around to spare them from arrows, use any remaining spearmen as meatshields for your mace men. Have the ram smah down a tower from where you dug up the moat and then have it destroy the gate so leftover mace/spearmen can rush the archers on the outer towers.
I ended up beating it by a frontal gate assault with the ram but it took severely moronic micro.
now do it on very hard where you get like half of these units and enemy has an extra dozen pikemen
Black person
> it took severely moronic micro.
Welcome to the later half of the stronghold campaign.
Just wait till you return :^)
This and the rematch are both moronic. If the devs let you have a catapult instead this would involve less praying you can take out enough crossbows/archers and saccing troops to light the pitch fires, but no.
It's not Crusader Extreme. You can beat it.
too many anons here that never played stronghold before. Filtered.
It was just one of those games I never heard of growing up.
me before realizing the timer is not until the final battle but before defeat
Smash the inn, destroy your food farms and build ho-
Why the frick don't you have 2-3 full grannys already?
Oh, and Frozenheim, I guess.
Frozenheim actually looks good and I will check it out tomorrow because it's sleepy z time.
>mostly positive and mixed
Never a good sign for any small publisher/indie game on steam
Wood needed.
Wood sneeded
We're on our weeehy
Green > Red
SAVING
LOADING
Is there a reason why I would play this over the already enhanced HD version?
better controls that's basically it
>better controls
how so?
wasd camera pan
right click move
scrollwheel zoom
>right click move
I dont know who would play this over Crusader tbh, that even has at least some AI
Having an actual campaign instead of a series of skirmish maps.
Does a paragraph of very vague motivation really matter that much to you? Here, lemme write a crusader campaign story for you, ahem:
"Thou must travel into the Levant to free the holy land from the infidel pedophile mohammed the sixteenth. Build up your fortress by the oasis then destroy his forces by any means necessary!"
Happy now?
there are scripted events that tie together in a story
in the original
new campaigns are shid
no
I want to build a castle from scratch but have invasions and stuff, why aren't there any maps for that?
Stronghold has scenarios like that, I'm sure.
>near end of mission
>build up new set of walls
>no chance enemy can break through
>enemy macemen stream through 1-tile gap near cliff
one of Stronghold's greatest sins is terrain readability and whether something is a cliff or just "rocky ground"
Always keep an expendable dude around when building walls to double check.
This is why the pull down terrain button is so important, yet they removed it in the demake.
Lol did they really? That was one of the most useful features.
There are two, one that makes everything absolutely flat and another one that reduces the height of walls, buildings and terrain so you can see over them.
They removed the latter.
why would you need that if you can just use the flatten one?
Because it's better in some cases, like judging terrain or seeing which walls need repairing.
He is lying.
I refuse to believe that someone would lie to me on the internet.
Why didn't you just drag wall building? I've never had your issue.
We are the mace men!
Pikes > Macemen
wrong
Walk with pride.
go on boy, enjoy your pride parade
Different tools in the toolbox. Neither is better than the other.
Both are better than swordsmen on the other hand when you account for the socioeconomic factors.
Crossbows > all
The people loathe you, sire.
There really is no reason to produce anything other than crossbows, macemen and moving shields
spearmen can push down ladders
it doesnt make sense to produce anything but 100 catapults
>I hope it's not dogshit.
It was dogshit
Im of the opinion that this studios still exists because its real purpose is money laundering or something. How can you keep a constantly failing business for 20 years otherwise
Is there some kind of bug with Mission 12, the Ransom? The Snake attacks so often that I get notifications of an upcoming attack before the current attack is even finished, it's non-stop
Maybe you just take too long to kill them.
it's bad
>Carving a Path
>phew thank god that's over, I sure hope I never have to do that agai-
>The End of the Pig
Between a Rock and a Hard Place is my favorite mission.
Mission 15 is actually impossible, correct? There is physically no way to possibly beat mission 15, right?
Have you tried gitting good?
Its annoying but obviously not impossible
Protip: dig up the moat from the western side, you can skip the first bit, should be easy enough from there.
The entire mission is dependent upon abusing a nonsensical range bug in which you shoot the AI without them reacting
Its really not. You can do that if you want but it's perfectly possible with a normal siege.
What is your strategy for beating the mission using "normal siege" tactics on VH? At best I can imagine that scraping by with 99% losses
Yes it is. You can't do it on VH without sniping most of the ranged defenders fir t. Stronghold was always a bad game, you childhood sucked.
No, it doesn't. I just cheesed it.
See
That's mission 18
What's his video on 15 and he uses the exact tactic I'm talking about
You're talking to another anon, btw. I never had trouble with Stronghold campaign.
Well I can guarantee that if you played on that difficulty you needed to use that tactic
>getting filtered by Mission 15
>he doesn't know about Mission 18, where you have to go back in, but with the castle fully staffed by crossbowmen
A message from the Rat:
>Maps have been drawn.
>Plans... have been made.
>No one will escape your pathetic /vst/ thread
BLOW THE HORN!
BANG THE DRUM!
THE PIG IS COMING TO TOWN!
Just 100% zero losses the first Snek Island mission on Very Hard
I am cheesed
How is multiplayer?
Today's update has animated moats now.
Wait those are the new graphics? Damn they look worse than the original
Nostalgia goggles
Last time I played Stronghold HD was a month ago.
Do you not realise that HD has better graphics than the original?
No, it doesn't. The art direction stays the same, resolution just increases.
And you're just moving goalposts. Why remake a game if you're not even gonna improve the gfx over the remasteur?
>The art direction stays the same, resolution just increases
...increased resolution is better graphics genius
No, it's not. In many cases it makes games look worse.
But again, we've moved way past the goalposts, so you're not worming yourself out of your shitty opinions.
Higher resolution= sharper and clearer image
Clearer = better
This isn't a debate
It is. For you it might not be becaause it's dunning-krugger peaking.
In many cases higher resolutions zoom out to the point of unreadability or smooth the textures out and make them look artificial.
And that's without getting into crt effects.
If something is unnecessarily zoomed-out like that, it'll be inherently clearer in high resolution than low by virtue of higher PPI
I think the better question is why remake the game if you're not gonna give it skirmish mode. Even the Command & Conquer Remastered added skirmish mode for the original C&C.
scripting ai is hard 🙁
My brain fricking broke when i found out that importing grain to make bread is sustainable, somehow you can buy grain to feed yourself and beyond that any extra bread you make from imported grain can be sold off at a profit
Back in the day i would wig out thinking how the frick i was supposed to fight a map with enough green space for like one farm
strangely, i remember that skirmish was only a thing in Crusader and not in the base game?
>raw resources can be imported to profitably make a processed product
pull the other one
Often those maps wouldn't let you buy grain or sell bread. Defense missions with full market access are somewhat rare in the original campaign.
Crusader lifted those restrictions so you could even have a resourceless economy if needed