>Submarine foreshadows characters' demise
Poetically kino if you ask me.
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>Submarine foreshadows characters' demise
>Submarine foreshadows characters' demise
Poetically kino if you ask me.
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the twist was really lame. I didn't like the game.
Totally disagree. I thought the big reveal was clever. The game did meta in such a self-contained way that I don't see many other games with story loops doing. Usually the meta twist is is that they discover they're all in a video game simulation or something.
>that I don't see many other games with story loops doing
Just the game by the same writer from some years ago, the exact same twist, except it was better there.
Agreed. When they talk about the Titanic and the book someone wrote beforehand, it sent chills up and down my spine, especially the music that goes with it. And then everything else that happens. I just found it genuinely enjoyable. Snake Eyes was a beast for someone who was blind. I enjoyed the sequel as well, but not as much. I tried to give the third a shot but I found it to be really bad. If I had to rate all 3, it would be
1>2>3 (skip this one)
999 is just a great piece of ultrarrealism (when they mix reality with fiction but in a way where the two blend together and you don't know what is real and what isn't)
For example, they mention the Titanic and start sharing some basic facts about it. Facts that any person would know. But then they start slowly mentioning some bullshit about the cargo containing an Egyptian mummy. You have never heard of this but I guess it could be true? And to make matters worse they finish this by stating more true facts, which only further throws the game into uncanny valley.
Metal Gear Solid does the same and I love it. Unfortunately not many games do this.
I'd like a list of games that do this then. I like this kind of storytelling style.
MGS
Katamari Damacy
999
From what I know it's just 999 and MGS.
To make matters worse I can't even look this up, I could swear the term for this narrative style was "ultrarrealism" but apparently it is not. While looking it up I also found "magical realism" (which is different) and "hiperrealism" (which everyone uses to describe graphics)
Bing couldn't find it but made up a name
I'm making a thread just for this
Assassin's Creed, both in plot and in historical notes in the codex
Assassin's Creed is dogshit after 2-2.
Revelations > Brotherhood and Unity is decent
>chiseled body structure
>chiseled face
>blind as frick
>as a kid, climbs up a makeshift rope from bedsheets, more than 7 feet high
>WITH ONE FRICKING ARM
>finds 9 fricking 4 leaf clovers
>FRICKING 9
>did I mention he was blind?
>gets shot with a revolver
>gets up
>gets shot 5 more times with the same revolver
>"Motherfricker I will still get up and kill you"
>sacrifices himself to take down big bad
>INSIDE AN INCINERATOR
>gets flamed to death, but still smiling, satisfied
>is actually the main disposition that dumps lore on you
>he also had the best straight man bants
Snake kamikaze with Ace was one of the most hypest shit I've come across in a while. Ever since you run into him again, every time he was on the screen, it was the fricking best.
Don't get me wrong, ZTD is objectively terrible, but at the same time it's such a comedic trainwreck that skipping it is a waste.
As long as you don't go into it with any actual expectations, it's worth it for the shitshow.
>Joseph Anderson
>unironically shilling for hamsterson
Don't ever post here again, kid
CARLOS THE AMERICAN HERO
I feel like ZTD's story would have been a lot better if they focused on this reason
For Junpei being a cynical butthole. Make him the Sans of 999. Obviously there was a lot more wrong with the main story but it would have given Team 7's story some purpose and force Akane to address everything that she's been doing. And it would have given Carlos a chance at being the peace maker for the two. I think I read somewhere that there was a different writer for all 3 teams? It felt like there was no communication on story direction or how the stories were going to come together.
Uchikoshi literally said "Wait, if I write the story, I can't experience a twist! Interns! Write the other two stories for I can be surprised too!" I wish I was joking, but that was the literal truth.
You got a source on that?
I remember Uchi getting interviewed and saying he wanted to emulate XxXTELLTALE GAMINGXxX with ZTD, but I don't remember anything that dumb.
It was years ago and I'm at my shitty job at the moment. But I'll find it later pr make a thread just to blast that dumbass Uchikoshi.
Guess I'll load up Uchi's twitter and make my annual "What about Kyle?" post to pass the time.
FOUND IT FRICKING DAMMIT I'M MAD AGAIN
https://nintendoeverything.com/zero-escape-creator-on-origins-and-making-zero-time-dilemma-series-as-a-whole-more/
>– When Uchikoshi was developing the second and third games simultaneously, he had the plot skeleton for the third game which was left intact, but the rest of the game became totally different. It’s because when he was writing the plot, he already knew what the outcome was going to be, so he might end up getting bored in writing the scenario. In order to avoid that, he had a suggestion to ‘surprise himself even more’, which resulted in the story getting changed.
Thank you anon from 2016
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/353337893/#q353345259
Thanks anon.
Now I'm in pain.
>Yeah I have a coherent story ready to wrap up
>Nah I'm going to make everything not make sense instead
Sounds like his own head got "mind hacked"
what. it was great.
Just admit you like goyslop
Ciconia is better
People liking/disliking the twist is usually a way to indicate if they played the original or the PC remaster.
I can forgive you if you had this ruined by playing the PC port.
Name another twist that ties directly into the console's defining feature
The problem is that I played Ever 17 a few years before it, and the twist is pretty much the same. That really diminished it for me. If it was the first time encounterning this writer's work, I would have been more impressed, but since he seems to recycle the same idea so many times, I think he is kind of a hack.
People's first uchi game is definitely the best received, then they read his other shit and the hackery breaks through.
Still storywise 999 at least is better paced than Ever 17 was, and I think the twist involving the DS screens was cute enough.
E17 suffers heavily from everything of interest being crammed into the final route, so you spend 20 hours reading about chicken sandwiches.
This is all irrelevant because R11 is better than both despite being blatantly unfinished.
R11 felt like the best exploration of the meta concepts Uchikoshi will not stop doing, but honestly it might be that way because it didn't get finished, so there's more room for interpretation rather than someone just info dumping on you in a way that's has never felt all that satisfying in the other titles.
Best soundtrack too.
I'm reading it right now, I'm half way through the second route. It's pretty comfy, I wish Uchikoshi kept writing more "escape" games.
Remember to get all the bad ends.
I love that one of them just immediately recontextualizes the entire mechanic of the narrative.
Frick, I got a few but I was largely avoiding them
My guess is that there's a third personality switch
ten little Black folk
reddit spam thread
Ace really said "get finessed mister detective b***h"
It sucked
It was okay.
mid
Ok give it to me straight bros. I want the redpill
Are morphogenic fields real?
>jumpy I've heard Titan was switched with her sister Olymp...
>locks up a bunch of innocent people alongside a psychopath murderer
>have them play an extremely traumatic game
>fakes the death of one of them, causing ptsd on his sister
>watch as everybody gets killed in multiple different timelines
>all so you can prevent your own death
June is kind of a selfish prostitute
So what? Yeah she orchestrated everything for the sole purpose of solving a simple numbers puzzle. But you know what, she has drip. And without her being alive later on to enact further schemes, how do you expect to stop Brother without me?
Do not mention that we never stop Brother that was never confirmed.
?t=40s
Wait a minute, what was the submarine for?? Weren't they in the arizona base?
for fun
>OP tries to make a meme thread
>get actual comfy Zero Escape vidya discussion instead
It's the little things that still makes Ganker okay sometimes.
Thanks for the spoiler fricking asswipe
that's just one of the many bad endings
Your fault for not finishing the game
i havent read any uchi since ztd. are the ai games worth a shot?
they're okay
one of the twists in AI2 is worse than anything in ZTD
1st is good, 2nd is rough
>tfw
i love that silly robot too much
Luna is still best girl.
I don't dislike the AI series, but they are Uchikoshi's weakest games by far. The 2nd one had the most unnecessarily moronic twist he has ever written.
My motives are complex
OH MY GOD JUNPEI
LOOK OUT
>Noooo you stupid fricks, VLR's ending was non canon meta fiction, it wasn't supposed to be a cliffhanger, you are all just too dumb
What did Uchikoshi mean by this?
>dude remember the touhou 2011 earthquake lmao
>Why yes
>I do have access to the following:
>Literal Alien Teleporter Technology
>Quantum Computing that allows me to peer into parallel timelines
>A Robot Army
>Nuclear Weaponry
>Mind Hacc, on SHIFTers no less
>Yet I cannot find, nor interrogate any subordinates of, this highly influential cult leader.
>But hey, at least I motivated you guys to find him for me instead.
What in the actual frick did he mean by this?
Is Delta legitimately the most incompetent man on the planet?
>Even with all of this high tech bullshit, because I don't get psychic powers like you do, I have to get you all to do it for me.
It's not that difficult. He spells it out. He's smart, and got tools galore, but only magic wizard bullshit can beat magic wizard bullshit, something he himself directly lacks.
I wish I didn't have to replay a bunch of shit just to see the full endings
>be forced to replay every section in the game multiple times
>have QOL skipping features on PC but the plot twist doesn't make sense
pick your poison
There is a reason for it. It's easy to miss though
Why is Clover moronic?
Uchi decided to turn her into a caveman in VLR and she never recovered.
I used to think Alice was some kind of visual metaphor representing the time line ending. Kinda disappointed what they did with her character, she was total b***h.
Say goodbye to Uchikoshi.
Say hello to Ishiyama.
Who is Ishiyama?
But is it any good though?
The prologue was good but it falls off after that.
The PC port of 999 wasn't even that bad. All you're missing is some dumb gimmic.
The gimmic is a key to the story
SIGGY