>surely the game will reward me for sticking it out in Caelid, investigating this tower that looks like a prop, daring the jump from the branch, scaling the outside of the tower on these narrow reliefs, fighting and platforming my way down to the basement, and spending hours killing this boss at low level
>WHOA it's the GODSLAYER Greatswo-
>whoops it takes a ton of stats to use
>whoops it's not really better than your standard weapons that you upgraded already
>whoops it's actually pretty shit and you're better off investing in standard weapons anyway
Thanks Mitsubishi-san, my efforts truly feel rewarded.
Re journey is its owne rewarduh anon-san
>surely the game will reward me for sticking it out in Caelid
>get the coolest and most fun to use weapon in the game
Not seeing the problem here.
It’s a great weapon. Just needs some hyper armor to make it perfect. Maybe after the initial strike downward after you raise the weapon up.
bro your 51 poise?
It doesn't have hyperarmor as a colossal weapon?
They ripped off the hyper-armor it used to have on its ash at some point. Allegedly this is a bug but it hasn't been fixed yet.
i used it before patches or anything and it didn't even have true hyper armor then
it gave a pretty big poise boost but a shitload of enemies could still knock me out of it
They ripped off the poise boost, I forgot hyperarmor is its own thing
Hyper arnour IS a poise boost.
Super Armour is “you are now immune to certain types of hitstun animations”.
How does one become such a homosexual like OP?
It's a UGS with good dex scaling, that alone is good enough and you could make a whole build around it easily. Furthermore it has a unique faster moveset.
it's inferior damagewise and definitely speed and weightwise to your basic ass straight swords, and because it's actually better quality, you're either split between str/dex/fai which is limiting you to this weapon, or you pump dex which is just, again, inferior to the most basic alternatives, and you can't pick up other heavy weapons since they won't scale with your wasted dex
tbqh with you famalam
if you just want power then go pure int/dex and laser beam everything from behind your summon(s)
if you are using an ultra and aren't just holding it for aesthetics between casting, you are already defacto doing a challenge run of a sort as ultras are worse than pretty much everything
>near GS swing speed while UGS stunlocking capabilities
>awesome high risk high reward weapon art that chunks bosses if it connects
>looks baller
The dex faith scaling is a bit strange (which is only a problem due to the lack of dex/fth weapons) but it's easily my favorite weapon of the base game and the one I used the most
>near GS swing speed while UGS stunlocking capabilities
this is cap
Its hyperarmor has been broken since 1.10 or whatever patch reworked that, but otherwise it's great. Doesn't really change how it works in PvE tho.
>The dex faith scaling is a bit strange (which is only a problem due to the lack of dex/fth weapons)
not a problem, FTH + high dex means you can use tons of cool incantations along with being able to cast spells quickly
it literally has a unique moveset
fricking based
sexiest GS in the game
>cool incantations along with being able to cast spells quickly
Except most faith incantation are not faster with high dex for some reason, just try using the Radagon Icon and see how negligible the difference is.
>Millions and billions of swords with multiple scalings for every build
>Some weapon categories get five at most
Bravo, Miyazoni.
>go int/dex spellblade(katana) in every souls game
>get rewarded with moonveil
arigatou Miyazaki-sama
>noooooo
>its not the best weapon in the game!!!!
>how can i min max now!?!?!?!?!
frick up morono
The L2 used to have near-unbreakable hyper armor but From in all their competence broke it in patch 1.10 nearly a year ago and haven't fixed it since.
My fav weapon
str/fth chads wwa
This thing is top tier, only downside is the short range.
Was rolling this until I switched over to blasphemous blade.
>one of the best str/fth weapons in the game
>looks like a giant burnt turd
I'll stick with my envoy longhorn
It looks like you tore off a chunk of lava dragon and are wielding it as a weapon.
Yeah and the magma wyrms look like giant burnt turds
I just got my STR/FTH guy ready for the DLC and settled on Siluria's Tree as my weapon, but I did also get this, Ordovis's, Great Club, and Blassfemess Blade (of course) to +9 and I thought that thing was the weakest of all with the AoW being low damage as FRICK and the R2 being short ranged garbage.
What am I missing? And I mean that, I want to revisit it if I was using it wrong or something
Not strictly FAI/STR but it's got a 20 STR requirement so i'll add mine
>Grafted Dragon
>20STR/80FAI
>faith-knot, flame-cracked tear
>shard of alexander
>flame-scorpion
>golden vow/last rites
>howl of shabriri
>jellyfish shield right hand
i wish the lava from the weapon art did something useful but hey it looks cool
Besides damage and stun-locking?
the damage sucks
The lava using to do some absolutely monolithic damage in pvp before from nerfed it for some fricking reason despite magma guillotine being one of those attacks that you’d rank with dragon maw under “if you get hit with this, you deserve the damage you take”.
>“if you get hit with this, you deserve the damage you take”.
They always do that shit even in the older games.
>blatant, slow windup usually with low range
>nerf its damage by 70-90% and remove its poise
Meanwhile the fricking troonveil gets a WA that does 8 nigtillion damage from a distance (thanks from for nerfing the buff that cut that down by the way. Really ace shit there guys) and comes out so fast that if you’re dealing with high latency you’ll basically get vaporized. But no, gut the weapon with the slow close range art.
ugly weapon, beautiful moveset
i think im gonna do str/faith first for the dlc. just finished bending over ng+ with these.
Hard ass pic anon
Based as frick, what was the stat spread like??
>maxed out all the stats it scales to while experimenting with shit for a giggle
>fricking thing gets 1047 AR at +10 one handed with no buffs
I firmly believe the only thing keeping this monstrosity from becoming meta is its reach. If it had dismounter tier length you’d see it everywhere.
We have the best weapons.
I did STR/INT last time, next run is STR/FTH with Guts sword
I loved these but the Guts sword was cooler looking
I'm just running straight STR with the Guts sword, and it's great. Coming from a mainly caster build it is so much easier to just whack bosses in the face until they stagger. Maybe I should throw a couple points into FTH for buffs, though.
It looks like literal shit so I'm not going to use it, simple as.
Same for Rykard's sword, I don't give a frick how strong it is.
Blasphemous Blade is sexy, you're just a homosexual.
don't care. it's my wife. fast as a greatsword and hits like a truck.
now if only they would fix the zero hyperarmor bug
You're a moron, that thing is good as frick and fun
Also you're crying about climbing a sick tower and fighting an optional hidden boss and getting a cool weapon for it?
go play totk or something lmao
I'd like it more it it did something unique instead of being a worse claymore with a worse blackflame buff.
It's easily in the top 10% of weapons. Also somber weapons are easier to upgrade than normal ones for no good reason.
>Also somber weapons are easier to upgrade than normal ones for no good reason.
Arguably smithing weapons are much more versatile, especially if you have strong game knowledge to adapt your infusion, ash and buffs.
A shitter doing the volcano skip to get an early +9 somber will still suck, but a good player with a +12 halberd can easily defeat bosses way faster.
>halberd
Just use a better weapon type and it’ll be way easier
I picked halberd as an example because it's a vagabond starting weapon and longsword wouldn't be fair because square off is OP.
>are easier to upgrade than normal ones for no good reason
Less scaling, less versatile, mostly require mixed stats, less Somber Ancient Stones compared to regular ones.
This is the biggest cope I think I've seen in quite a while.
>not researching weapons
>not playing blind
Scum
Seems like everyone that “enjoyed” elden ring just reddited everything
That’s hard cope. The only thing I ever actually searched for online was the unaltered banished knight chest piece after realizing I had the altered one and never getting the other to drop.
First tried Malenia with this. Only weapon that rekt her harder was Morgott’s Curved Sword. And my pyromancy build. BURN, O FLAME!
You go super low on Burn O Flame it's pretty funny.
Was thinking of making a pyro build, looks fun.
I killed Mohg early with the Godslayer Greatsword, and used it for a very long time on my Str/Faith build
Maybe you're just bad.
>Str/Faith
but it's a dex/faith weapon
blacku framu kicks ass you dummy, this is definitely my favorite faith weapon. It also swings faster than any colossal great sword and has crazy reach so that makes it even better
but were you not entertained?
flamberge most underrated weapon in the game
flamberge is really fun and very strong on an arc build
anything is strong on an arc build homie
To this day I don't know how you're supposed to descend down the tower the "correct" way. The short route is just too easy not to take.
after the first breaking segment, you just drop down left twice to the elevator, circle around then drop to the 2nd breaking bridge.
>light disk goes soi soi soi soisoisoish
i love this weapon so much bros
bro what is that handle???
I just noticed, it's two dudes ass docking
balls touching 100% fricking gay
Just a better Golden Order Greatsword since SOMEONE didn't make that Int Fai...
best one of these i've seen
It's BROTHERLY love...
>Just a better Golden Order Greatsword since SOMEONE didn't make that Int Fai...
it would be nice to have int/faith weapons in the dlc, seeing as there's literally one weapon in the base game that works with int/faith
I'd love it more if it were like 3 inches longer
one of the coolest weapons in the game, just a shame all the end game bosses are so resistant to holy so it becomes way less useful near the end
>weapon balance
>in a souls game
Glad you enjoyed your first entry, the rest of the series is just as bad in this regard
>muh balance
pvp shit I don't care
how could a game that is so good be so shit to play? this completely ended any love i had for the souls series. the delayed attacks felt like the devs were personally saying "frick you" to me and i never went back after completing it because it angered me so much
But that weapon is fricking great?
This weapon fricks hard if you have the stats for it, and once you've played through a single time you can get it to +9 before setting foot in leyndell. One of the weapons that actually makes the game less fun at that point
>fastest US in the game with built in black flame magic
ok
Dammit Toyota-kun, at least gimme a ton of lore along the shitty weapon.
>looks cool
>has the fancy moveset
>2nd longest in its class
>has a sheathe
WIN!
I prefer this one
This is cool too. I use Knight's on my pyro-blade.
Gonna make a Severian build with this as Terminus Est. Idk what else to make the build tho, pure str would just be a lil boring,
Mah man.
>get a super cool weapon and very important lore tidbits
LITERALLY what more could you want in a Fromsoft game???
but that weapon is really fricking good
you just need a lot of poise to get the most out of it
the game will reward me for sticking it out in Caelid,
Ah, see, here's your mistake. You were underleveled. Caelid is split into two part. 1 is a mid level zone, and the other is a late game zone. It might not be immediately obvious because both zones are connected to each other. But you can get a feel for the type of zone you're in, based on the the difficulty of the enemies + the kinds of stones you find. Caelid's tower has somber smithing stone 8 out front of it's entrance. Indicating that it's expected for the player to have a late game weapon.
It also has a numen rune along the exterior. Which is worth a LOT of runes. Another indication that they expect you to come later.
The enemies that guard the exterior of the tower are stronger than the enemies that defend Redmane castle. And the enemies inside the tower are stronger than just about all other enemies in Caelid.
So you have 3 indicators that this level is meant to be taken on later, but you still struggle your way through. Then, fight one of the harder versions of the godskin. Not quite as difficult as the godskin duo of course. But still a single strong godskin. This fight is tough for anyone who doesn't have late game vitality, defense, and weapon.
There's your 4th indicator that you really shouldn't have been venturing the tower yet. You should have just walked away and gone for an easier zone. But you ignored all the signs, had a difficult time, and then got angry because you weren't rewarded for your own stupidity.
I always do Caelid right after Limgrave in order to overlevel like a motherfricker and trivialize the rest of the game.
>lategame content that you can do early
>reward sucks even in lategame
thank you kawasaki
content that you can do early
"duhhh, what's that? Da open world is actually open? I have to actually use my own discretion as to whether or not a challenge is worth attempting? Das bad game design!"
sucks even in lategame
The value of a rewards depend entirely on your build. The sword is pretty good if you have the stats to utilize it. I never understood why people complain about the rewards in this game. Like what are you expecting exactly? That when you open a chest, it's going to give you multiple weapons, each attuned to a different stats, so that it covers all builds? Like, what is a realistic reward for you? Give me an example.
something good to work towards at least, not an awkward meme weapon that's clearly no better than what you used to kill the boss
There are some weapons like that. This is not one of them.
1. What's good for your build might not be good for other builds. So even if the sword was stronger like you wanted, then it would still be useless for like 95% of players.
2. The game has to stop scaling at some point. You can't expect to be at end game stats, and then expect to to get a weapon that requires even higher stats. Makes no sense.
3. Nearly every weapon in the game is viable from beginning to end. Because of the way the game is balanced, your weapon level matters far more than what kind of weapon you're using. If you upgrade your starter gear, it's going to keep up with some late gear you find later. This is one of the things that makes the games so good. Because you have so many viable weapons to play with, you don't have to narrow your choices down to a few late game options.
This is something that a lot of other RPGs get wrong. They make their new loot completely invalidate their old loot. Making the new stuff straight upgrades over the old stuff kills build diversity.
what ER gets wrong is nothing feels rewarding because you can't use 90% of the shit you find and you can upgrade anything anyway for the same effect
Well again I ask, what is a reasonable reward? Simply making the sword stronger makes little sense for reasons I've already laid out. So you have to think of something better.
Personally, I don't see the problem. Because what is not useful in one playthrough, is going to be useful in another playthrough. As I try out different builds. And besides, I don't necessarily need an item as a reward for completing a dungeon. The previous souls games didn't give out major item rewards. You'd get like a piece of humanity for defeating a boss, and enough souls to level up. That was reward enough. Now you get the souls, and some loot. Why is that not good enough for you? Would a rune arc per boss make killing the boss worth it?
>another consumable that no one will risk wasting before they can beat the boss, at which point they don't need it
there is nothing wrong with having strictly stronger options per weapon class. but they would simply need to make smithing bells available way earlier, so that players can actually experiment with weapons instead of being stuck with whatever they committed to and hoarding their stones in fear of wasting them.
>another consumable that no one will risk wasting before they can beat the boss, at which point they don't need it
Exactly my point. It's a lame reward. I can't imagine what reward would actually sweeten the deal.
>there is nothing wrong with having strictly stronger options per weapon class
Nah, that's gay. You're just making the numbers go up. It's artificial rewarding.(like artificial difficulty) Rather than just inflating the numbers, give me a weapon that is unique in some way. Which Elden Ring is generally good at. There's always a give and take per weapon.
>they would simply need to make smithing bells available way earlier
I almost want to agree with that. Because on my first playthrough, I missed the second smithing bell. Just completely overlooked the cave.(I didn't realize those caves had a distinct icon on the map) So on my first playthrough, I did get a little bottlenecked with resources. However, I was still able to play with various weapons, because I explored hardcore. The more I explored, the more stones I found. So I was able to take multiple weapons up to max level(or just shy of max)
Ironically, when people say it isn't worth exploring because they get bad loot, they forget that exploring gives them stones, which enables them to play with the weapons they *can* play with.
On subsequent playthroughs, I always make sure to get the smithing bells, and I never feel like I'm choked out of experimenting. Limited, sure, but not completely choked.
you find bell bearing 2 at the fricking capital. +12 is way behind the curve at that point. same with 3 in mountaintops. that's not enough to experiment, you're still not using those lower upgrade weapons. if they're gonna reward you with a billion sidegrades then they should let you fricking try them properly so you can tell if they're worth pursuing.
Can't you get to Altus before defeating even one Shardbearer? It takes some navigating and you have to face the Ruin-Strewn Precipice (provided that you don't get the Dectus medallions), but it can be accomplished.
no one is doing that blind, it's moot for guide users because they're looking up weapons too
If we're talking about blind, then no one is even going to be able to use the +9 somber until over halfway through the game.
>halfway upgraded weapons halfway through the game is behind the curve
yes, the game is horribly designed
yes moron, you'll be at a higher upgrade level at that point from the stones you found. the infinite ones you get from the bell bearing don't keep up.
with how the scaling is in leyndell, yes
>+12 is way behind the curve at that point
No it's not. It's appropriate.
But regardless, that particular tunnel has many 5s. In fact, it has 5 5s. Source: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Smithing+Stone+(5)
And a total of 5 in the old atlus tunnel that is used to access the atlus plateau in the first place. https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Old+Altus+Tunnel
So if you actually explored as much as you should, then you should already have a +14 weapon prior to stepping onto Atlus Plateau in the first place. And then after your venture into the sealed tunnel, you should have enough for +15, and 3 excess stones to bring another weapon to +13.
This is all assuming you didn't find other 5s in other locations spread throughout Caelid, Linurnia, and the lower Well zones
You guys are all revealing how bad you are at the game. Holy shit. A +12 is well enough to handle Lyndell. And the capital itself hands you 5s to get stronger. You're so bad.
>Holy shit. A +12 is well enough to handle Lyndell
This is a +13 for comparison
sexy build anon, what are your stats?
the game being poorly designed has nothing to do with the game being easy
it's been a valid and common complaint since the game came out, the whole point was that you have to look up a guide or explore autistically every playthrough. And then you linked a fricking guide lmao
He only linked that to show that the nearby areas people implied they went to already have the upgrade stones that would solve their problems.
> the whole point was that you have to look up a guide
no you dont
>or explore
yes most people actually play the video game they bought instead of looking up every key location to rush through it. Frick you Black person
Most of the game is so low quality and poorly designed (nonsensical map design) that finding all the upgrade materials is impossible
not like you'd know since you didn't actually play the game yourself, you followed a guide
What kind of lobotomized inbred subhuman would need a guide for this literal skinnerbox of a game?
>you can only find the important items in this game with guides!
>what do you mean my opinion on exploration is worthless since I did a guided playthrough? guides are for scrubs lol! nobody would ever need one!
schizo
>>you can only find the important items in this game with guides!
No I said the game was poorly designed
Yes you said it's poorly designed because it's impossible to find the items. You indirectly admit to reading a guide to play the game, then you say the game is so bad nobody needs a guide. It really sounds like you're just a dumb moron who hasn't played it
Yes I said it's so poorly designed that you'd have to be a lobotomized rat high on gasoline fumes to find all the upgrade materials
>you should already have a +14 weapon prior to stepping onto Atlus Plateau in the first place. And then after your venture into the sealed tunnel, you should have enough for +15
exactly. so the +12 is pointless.
>A +12 is well enough to handle Lyndel
and significantly worse than whatever you upgraded already with your found stones. and only falls further behind as you keep upgrading before finding bell 3. so you still won't be using the shit you're "experimenting" with using the bell stones, might as well keep them at upgrade 0.
A weapon not being as hyper optimized doesn't mean it will be worthless, especially depending on its move set, Ashes of War, etc.
it will be worthless compared to your most upgraded weapon, regardless of what it is. so you still don't get to gauge all your other weapons properly and end up using the same shit you committed to already.
a slighly less upgraded weapon isnt worthless to anyone competent.
it's inferior to your highest upgrade so it's pointless
maybe if you're a moron who upgrade 3 straight swords
So what's the point of the entire game again?
the point is to repair the elden ring and become elden lord
To become the Elden lord. Nowhere is it stated you have to be the Elden lord with a fully optimized weapon. You can be king shit of frick mountain who’s reign came about because you beat everything to death with a +0 lordsworn greatsword you pulled off a Godrick mook.
oh so most of the game is pointless
Whatever gotcha you’re going for I can tell you right now that neither you nor it are as clever as you think. The game promotes exploration for finding shit like upgrade materials or weapons you may deem better but at no point does it force you to do it. The game is as hard or easy as you choose to make it.
The game promotes huffing gasoline before playing it
No, that’s just you hanging around aborigines too often. Don’t be Rana Rama
Okay but literally you have to be mentally moronic to play this game
Now you’re just fishing for anything to keep an argument going. You get one more (you) before I lose interest.
You couldn't lose interest in anything if you play this game since release, you're a rat
Better a rat than someone trying to stir shit on a Burmese tarantula wrestling forum. Thanks for baiting anon. It was adequate.
It can deal different damage types, have different ranges, etc., and then there are the Ashes of War. A weapon won't be worthless by any means.
There’s also player stats to consider, I don’t know why morons forget that the weapon’s scaling depends on your stats as much as it will the upgrade level. Like seriously, no shit you’ll have absolutely ass damage if you try to go into the capital with a +12 weapon but only the bare minimum stats to wield it. Level the weapon and level the stats it prioritizes in scaling and you’ll be fine. I managed to get through the capital my first run with a +9 nonsomber weapon because I could make up for the short comings by having more stats than what the weapon asked for and not playing the game with my feet. Did it suck? Yeah at times, but it was doable.
That's also disregarding any kind of buffs.
Golden Vow, determination, the charged attack talisman and charged attack tear are all in limgrave and massively boost your damage.
>exactly. so the +12 is pointless.
>it will be worthless compared to your most upgraded weapon,
That's nothing but your anxiety talking. You don't necessarily need those extra levels, if your current weapon exploits the weaknesses of the enemies, or you're otherwise more comfortable with the moveset.
You will also find more 5s has you explore the map more widely. Go to Mt. Gelmir? 2 more 5s.
Go to the underground rivers? 5 more 5s.
Go to the Siella crystal tunnel of Caelid?(the noob trap tunnel) 8 more 5s.
Shaded castle in Lyndell? more 5 more 5s.
The Atlus Tunnel(not the sealed tunnel) in Lyndell? more 6 more 5s.
Old Altus Tunnel in Caelid? 8 more 5s.
Redmane castle? 2 more 5s.
These are all prominent locations, that the player will likely discover during their playthrough.
Totaled up: 36 5s.
okay, so that's 3 weapons that you can take to +15. you FIND enough stones to get them to +12, then +15 and beyond. the infinite 4s you get from the bearing are USELESS because you're still limited by the number of 5s you FOUND. what part of this do you not understand? again, it does nothing to make use of your million sidegrades.
hows life with autism going?
That wasn't including the 13 stones already counted before. Added together, that's 49 stones. Enough to upgrade your main weapon and 3 side arms. All before you get to Zamor ruins, which gives you the infinite 5 and 6 stones. I think that's fairly generous.
By the time you get to zamor ruins you want the game to be over
Well guess what? You're only 2/3rds into the game at that point.
not really, unless you do all the terrible side content, even then you're more like 3/4 or 4/5 of the way through the game
That's the first place after beating Leyndell and getting to the mountaintops. You sound like you're not approaching this conversation with a good-faith effort.
yes the game nosedives after leyndell
Elphael is after Leyndell, along with the Mohgwyn Palace if you didn't do Varre's quest. Even if you dislike the Mountaintops and Farum Azula, those are two solid places accessed after Leyndell.
they're pretty terrible
They aren't. Only the snow areas can be argued to be bad. And you can ride through them to fire giant in about 5 mins if you're exhausted of exploring at that point (I was, then went back later to clear).
Yes the snow areas are terrible, and so are the optional areas
What do you dislike about Elphael and the Mohgwyn Palace?
>gauntlet of copy pasted assets and enemies and a gauntlet of copy pasted assets and enemies
okay but your le EBIN Atlus and city are full of "copy pasted enemies" too
Yes I'm of the mind that the game falls apart in liurnia almost immediately
You said it nosedived after Leyndell. You're just moving goalposts.
yes most people agree the game falls apart after leyndell, I think it's actually much earlier
There's hardly a consensus like that, people just think the Mountaintops are generally weak and kind of feel like an environment without their own legacy dungeon.
The red Albinaurics are exclusive to the Mohgwyn Palace, and the Haligtree has the gigantic Envoys.
moron
says you, conc snowfield was kino, Haligtree was great as the final challenge, and I loved Mohg's palace
you fricking gaylord
i'm pretty sure you have a max or near maxed weapon by zamor, so that +18 doesn't mean shit, just like the +12. a whopping 4 weapons out of what, 200? like i said, you're either hoarding stones or regretting using them because now you definitely can't try that new thing you found. it doesn't work for a game like this that overloads you with sidegrades that just sit there.
No. Again, you're just exposing how bad you are at the game. Don't make me crunch the numbers again. It's the same as before. the ruins gives you the stones for infinite 5 and 6s. +18 is enough to handle the zone. But by this point in the game, you should have already found 7 and 8 stones. And you will find more on your journey through the mountaintops.
You can have as man +18 side arms as you want by this point in the game. It's fair. It's balanced.
>But by this point in the game, you should have already found 7 and 8 stones
exactly Black person. again, those shop stones are pointless, those +18s are strictly inferior to the +24 or whatever that you have, so they're pointless. you're still forced to commit unless you want to gimp yourself.
lol you need high base stats compared to other weapons but it's just a dex/faith weapon. I'm sorry your ideal weapon waifu isn't what you expecected. When you learn how to play the game and get into a quality setup, we'll all look back at this and laugh.
and what's the benefit over a bog standard zwei? the weapon art with lower dps than just swinging it a few times?
Inate death buildup makes killing late game bosses a little more quickly... but all FROM game weapons are about style. Until you understand stylefu, you're just a pleb. beat the game with whatever feels nice. zwei will always be top tier big dad style.
>And a total of 5 in the old atlus tunnel
Shit, I meant 8.
5+8 = 13. so that's a level +15 weapon and 1 stone excess. My bad on the math there.
No, that's fine as long as your base build is ok and has progression. The real issue is how poorly the narrative is conveyed in this game. It's almost like a caricature of what people thought dark souls was like, even if that game was actually pretty forthcoming with the main plotpoints. Shit like death being sealed, the courtly intrigue and the nature of the world is really fascinating, but it's all scattered around and if you accidently press a button while a character is talking you'll miss out on a lot that you can't ever replay. Neither can you ask any character for clarification. The fact that you aren't even told what a tarnished is or why you should want to become Elden Lord is awful and people only let it slide because they worship lore youtubers and consider fromsoft above reproach. Yes, it's not hard to figure out what a tarnished is since Melina can say it, but it's incredibly half-baked, lacks personal context and is also split between two churches because I guess explaining the main conceit or what your character is isn't important or anything.
In the first run you learn where shit is.
On subsequent runs you just go get the stuff you need.
>subsequent runs
a 40-100 hour game should focus on the first experience, not replays
Which is why you're rewarded for exploring the whole map, you're bound to find something you like or that fits your build. It's how it went for me.
Holy frick I'm so sick of you wienersuckers saying the stupidest shit possible like it's some sort of fricking standard or own.
Get FRICKED you autistic moron. Who the frick decided YOU pick whether a a game has replayability or not? What a grade-A piece of sssssssshit.
Not what the post said, ESLkun
>I'm a fricking homosexual AND a moron
Don't mindlessly throw out "ESL" as an insult unless you want to look like a zoomer jackass, you Zoomer Jackass.
Did the post say "An X game should Y" or did it not? Are you stupid?
settle down ok
Subhumans like you are why 80% of this game is worthless on replays, you pump and dump the game once moving on after maybe 100 hours at absolute best while everyone else who actually plays the game a decent amount gets stuck with an objectively inferior game to cater to your moronic ADD ass.
WHY is casting speed tied to dex my faith/str build is suffering
Your radagon's icon bro?
>Tried to make a fun occult build as did not want to go big-bonk for the 5th time.
>Started off with whips,
>Moved to Poleblades
>Missing the amount of poise breaks I use to do.
>Get hooked on bleed instead.
>Get Eleonora's Poleblade
>Flame Grant me Strength
>Blood mask and talisman
>Melt everything
I thought Colossal weapon was easy mode but holy shit. If the boss can bleed, it's defenceless. If it can't, the fire and physical with the ash of war clean up well.
How else to boost my hemorrhage procs? It seems poleblades are the way to go for it.
>missing the amount of poise breaks I use to do
Great Stars and Star Fists give the best of both worlds.
singlehanded poleblades>>>>PS ones now, which is true for almost all status weapons now
but PS bandit's still wins as you might suspect even with the nerf
I like powerstanced Occult Scavenger swords.
My homie
you can always do double twinblades which is so strong it's not fun
similarly, double blood naginata is so strong it's not fun
status was changed. You do a LOT less bleed buildup with 2 twinblades. The only exception is Bandit's and Scavenger's Occulties because of their sheer damage output
oh I might be going off of release meta
but yeah occult scav swords or petal whips are good
twinblades were just hit really fricking hard for status is why
which is funny because curved swords were hit, but are still the best
try occult/cold greatswords a la
if you want full meta tryhard bleeds just powerstance curved swords or spears
I thought cold was an int infusion? Or does the build up out weight the dam?
Shall have a look, the great stars looks fun but it looks like Star fists have good ashes.
>double blood naginata
Yeah, ive seen some hosts run with that. Hit and run tactic it seems on alot of runs.
that's what I thought until I actually tried it, I have 9 int on my dex/arc build and I'm only doing ~70 AR less on my cold flamberge compared to my occult one
well worth it to be able to proc bleed and frost at the same time
>I thought cold was an int infusion
Cold is a "whatever the weapon scales with normally" infusion. It has very little effect on the physical damage scaling and doesn't add a lot of intelligence scaling, so it's pretty much a way for physical builds to get access to magic damage and frostbite while still getting real returns on their physical stats. If you put cold on a flamberge, it's a dex weapon. If you put it on an iron greatsword, it's a strength weapon.
>I thought Colossal weapon was easy mode but holy shit. If the boss can bleed, it's defenceless
Make a str/arc build and infuse the giant-crusher with bleed. Lord of Blood's exultation takes it's AR beyond what a pure strength build can squeeze out of it, and for anything that's immune to bleed you can just switch the infusion to occult and still maintain some respectable damage (iirc a 60/40 str/arc split will give you around 912 AR on an occult infusion, while a pure 80 str build on a heavy infusion gives you around 960).
You don't even need to do that if you don't want to; occult alone has better AR scaling than Heavy on that fricking thing. I don't recall the breakpoints, but you can frick around with a calculator and figure it out pretty quickly
>occult alone has better AR scaling than Heavy on that fricking thing
true, the problem is that you need significant strength investment in an occult build to use it, so it ends up being a lot less level efficient
Eleonora has always slipped under the radar since its broken bullshit is mostly limited to pve and people were too focused on katanas
This is literally one of if not the coolest swords in the game. and one of the few with a completely unique move set. such a fricking awesome reward for a tough fight.
Sekiro is the same way
>here's a bunch of mibu balloons for exploring
>here's a bunch of "helpful" skills and prosthetics that are harder to use than R1+mikiri
From is shit at balancing side rewards because they want scrubs rushing through the game with whatever. Some literally moronic nog streamer just beat malenia by spamming RoB.
It's secretly a solid off-hand weapon.
Staff of the Avatar
Tree Sentinel armour
Golden Greatshield (later Haligtree Knight Shield)
Its gaming time.
>equip Blasphemous Blade
>press L2 to delete every boss
Elden Ring is EASY. If they didn't want me using it, shouldn't have put it in the game, and shouldn't have made all the end game bosses so resistant to holy.
I had a ton of fun doing my second playthrough for the DLC. Went arcane for dragon spells comboed with a Reduvia. As good as Dragonmaw is, I honestly think the blood meme with some STR to use real bleed weapons is the best way to go, with the meme mask and the meme talisman.
Then on bosses that can't bleed, you can use breaths and Dragonmaw.
I purely stuck with dragon and Reduvia L2 spam, though.
Exact same buuld Im doing, except Im relying a ton more on Reduvia's aow than on ghe dragon spells since they are so darn slow. I havent bothered to go grab Radagon's Icon yet but I dont think it will make that much of a difference, idk
I did a Dragonspells build before, you have to change your mindset into acting like a melee build. Wear heavier armor, raise your poise, and accept that you'll have to tank an attack to deal a shitton of damage in response.
Yeah I was thinking it'd have to be like this. Not my favorite kind of build since I dont like tanking shit. Oh well
I found i needed to do that to most bosses, with the exception of Malenia, who usually sits just at the tip of the maw when in a neutral stance.
I've been running the Greatsword and I regret not using it sooner. It feels right, especially with war cry.
it's cool, but the watchdog greatsword is more aesthetic
that weapon is so fricking cool; I got it to +24 for the DLC but I don't know what I want to use it with yet.
i like that i can't get this weapon until the end of the game thanks From
You b***h Black folk will complain about ANYTHING.
>FRICK I CAN GET THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME THIS GAME SUCKS SHIIIITTT
>FRICK I CAN GET THIS AT THE MID OF THE GAME THIS GAME SUCKS SHIIIIITTTT
>FRICK I CAN ONLY GET THIS AT THE END OF THE GAME THIS GAME SUCKS SHIIIIIT
It's so tiresome. How insufferable.
it's not that bad if you prioritize it
just rush leyndell and do side stuff later
Classic From regression. Mob bosses in Dark Souls could drop their weapon upon death, meaning you could get a demon greataxe or demon great machete at the start of the game.
>It feels right, especially with war cry
Love that shit.
the poke with it is absurd.
quick and strong
I hate this weapon because all the GUTS rpers use the shit. It makes every build look cringe.
I've been running it for a while, but I think I'm gonna switch back to my tried and true Large Club.
>Get one of the three most interesting items in the game
>Complain that your efforts were not rewarded
Only surpassed by the Burial Blade for best final boss weapon.
Northern Regalia is a cooler twinned blade than
though.
it's cool but it has a boring moveset and unfortunate scalings
it's worse than other faith greatswords or even just faith infusions
The SRB is unmatched when it comes to frog genocide, though.
The ash is better than the GOG so it's better than that. Inseparable is better though because quick beam that does good damage, good stagger, and coats the weapon. Also has the best faith scaling iirc.
golden order greatsword looks better though
>not beating everything to death through the sheer power of DEUS VULT
>hit any of the 5 last bosses
>do 7 damage
>anime man wants to fight god
>god and his homies are resistant to holiday magic
The absolute state of FTH cucks
The Cipher Pata hits quickly and the Coded Sword's Unblockable Blade is very strong.
>had pue faith fire build this run
>realize mohg is 80% resistant to fire
>pull THIS out
>first try holy fist his ass
now I have a holy set with this and a hammer that has prayerful strike.
I like prayerful strike on great stars, it's fun to just trade through anything
true, it's good for that one farming location if for some reason you need souls after beating the game
just completed a cypher pata playthrough the other day and man, early game you do low damage, mid to late game you fricking shred and very late game you do absolutely no fricking damage since most bosses are practically inmune to holy. had to switch to flame star fist and it fricked so hard
>Best weapon in the game can be obtained two minutes in
the art on thing was godtier for catching running rollspammers in pvp
God that weapon art is god tier. If you get double hits it'll melt anything that bleeds.
I run this on powestance with the Rot Stinger Dagger. Hela fun
what spear should I use with the clayman's for ice spear fun? Farm a second clayman's? My split will preferably lean more int than dex for the DLC, currently SL 166
second clayman's, frost infusion with ice spear
haha back into the hole I go
>kill margret
>10 minutes later a crescent axe drops from an enemy
>"cool"
>use weapon for the rest of the game
I never found anything that justified switching & starting the upgrade process all over again.
crescent axe is great
I'm using his great spear.
God, I hope his incantation isn't that grab attack he does in the trailer that would only work 20% of the time exclusively in PvP.
This sword looks cooler than whatever shitter you were using and therefore it's better
Shrimple as
>Greatsword
>Dismounter
My beloveds.
>Get the anchor
>Like it
>Ask friend for anchor from their save
>Have two anchors
>Life is good
>Using blasphemous blade
>Mimic Tear constantly healing itself while stunlocking malenia
>While that happens I charge a frenzy flame move that chunks away 60% of her HP
Frenzy and Mimic Tear to distract the bosses made it all too easy
>the best weapon and summon makes the game easy
new meta unlocked...
>the best weapon
That isn't the blood katanas or the magic katanas.
both nerfed
blasphemous blade is easily top 5 weapons
People usually agree that DMGS, Blasphemous Blade, and Mohg's Ritual Spear are the three best weapons in the game, right?
is mogwyn spear that good?
NIHIL
NIHIL
NIHIL
>Stunlocks
>Insane damage
>Insane range
>Inflicts bleed
>Buffs the weapon
>Greatspears already have a great moveset
Yes
ah I forgot about the buff
it does look like it does probably the most damage in the class other than maybe the treespear with lighting weapon, plus the best range
Just don't use Vyke's outside of the ash. Too short for its set.
Treespear charged R2 is fricking busted, has a fairly long windup but it does two sets of two really fast consecutive strikes with ridiculous range that do a frickton of poise damage, and the treespear already has really high damage on its own so when buffed it curbstomps nearly everything in the game
In pve at least
>nerfed
Lmao didn't know that.
I was a proud str/fth Frenzychad using blasph before those big two got nerfed.
Honestly, I fricking love this version of the MLGS. Second only to BB's.
They really just needed to make the projectiles not track like trash at certain angles and also not be only horizontal to mix it up visually. Would've liked some R1/R2 interactions with the AoW as well instead of only buffing.
i hate the upgrade system in this game
it showers you with somber stones and drip feeds the normal ones that you need way more of. It makes no sense
specifically tho the main thing that is stupid is how you can get somber 9 pretty fricking early but you can't get most normal 8's until fricking mountaintops
who the hell made that decision
>there are 32 lvl 8 stones before Azula, meaning you're four off from fully upgrading a third weapon
Pain
that sword is for killing the final boss only.
It's AoW is a a nuke and it has unique R1s stfu homosexual
>not pikcing weapons purely by style
I dont understand how you have fun in games like this
I hope none of my PVE shit gets nerfed, I use Sword of Night and Flame + Death Piker + DMGS on right arm with Prince of Death Staff and Golden Order Seals on the left with a bunch of buffs and the Golden Order long range spells and the later part of the game was a breeze. Thought I'm sure going INT + FTH on PVP isn't optimal at all.
bruh at that level you can just wield anything
>I was just pretending to be moronic
The open world aspect gets to be a downer because they hide actual gear in these random nooks that are easy to overlook, and then at the end of the actual, marked-out dungeons that they just had to copy-paste 30 times, it's just a bunch of stinky summons with an occasional piece of gear.
>Halo Scythe + Winged Scythe
That thing can absolutely meltdown bosses with the ash of war
For me, it's the Carian Glintstone Staff
I wish it looked better
the glintblade one is cooler but much less good
Yeah true, but it's worth it for the cool as hell sword sorceries
I like the plain look, feels like something a spellblade would use.
The high INT staves look pretty cool though.
I don't care about your sounding tools bro
Well, good because this is going straight up your dick
For me, it's Albinauric Staff
For me, it's the Prince of Death's Staff. That thing looks so cool and fits with my Necromancer theme.
Shame it sucks until above 60/60 faith/int.
Not a problem if you have a max level bracket character (and you should, to cover all level ranges)
Yeah, but I'm above that threshold now, and using a combination of death sorceries and lightning incantations alongside a couple other offense spells and buffs. Life's good.
int spells suck before 60 / 60
t. generalist mage main (mlgs weapon, faith spells + terra for mlgs, dropped EVERY other int spell except ice storm, and I rarely even equip that or a staff anymore)
ancient dragon lightning > every int spell
including beam, its not worth the physic for zero fp for ten seconds.
Sorceries are significantly stronger for pvp
let me guess you plink blue shit at people, and use the unnerfed star shower instead of the nerfed ENDGAME spell stars of ruin.
I use charged oneshots like RoR ADL or placidusax beam. im not interested in nerfed spells.
>unnerfed star shower
What the frick is this even supposed to mean lmao
It's nowhere nearly as powerful as stars of ruin were before they got gutted
And no, i use spell combos that don't require me to stand in one place for half an hour
>What the frick is this even supposed to mean lmao
stars of ruins tracking was nerfed heavily but star shower has its day 1 tracking.
your build is literally mine before I swapped to ashes over spells (blue flame, ds2 inspired "weapon spells" caster.) blaidds does more damage, and poise damage, and spearcaller...
I just think they suck compared to faith spells, I like lorettas bow, ice storm, weapon spells, but comparatively I have whole ass characters for each of the faith spell school themes (fire, lightning, holy)
so I have to start again every time I want to do a challenge (ive done this already so I personally know how fricking annoying it is) rather than allow deleveling like demons souls yeah never be a dev mate.
>stars of ruins tracking was nerfed heavily but star shower has its day 1 tracking.
Yes, because star shower doesn't need a nerf, it's not a barrage of 12 lasers with insane speed.
>before I swapped to ashes over spells
Then you're an idiot because your entire goal should be a combination of ashes and spells
Spearcall into a max cast speed comet is a true combo
you're missing the point entirely with stars of ruin and star shower. its not about damage its about the insane tracking, and people spam it. its a pvp thing.
and I do combine spells and ashes I just prioritize the ashes, because they do more damage, which i already said
god you people are fricking moronic. why do I talk to you people still. I had enough of this shit constantly from /erg/
>r. its not about damage its about the insane tracking
Star Shower deserves its tracking because it's just 6 projectiles that are 3 times as slow as Stars of Ruin
>and I do combine spells and ashes
You're using placidusax aka rooting yourself in place for half an hour.
you can cast it while jumping and it has an 360 aoe burst.
see you in the expansion noob.
Yeah Placidusax is frame 1 explosion, it’s pretty obnoxious.
But if they dodge it, you’re completely fricked. They can stand next to you and do a fully charged R2 for free.
It's not that bad because the jump already telegraphs it, and it can also be blocked.
Bestial Sling with maxed casting speed can be very annoying without any of the downsides of Placidusax.
>you can cast it while jumping and it has an 360 aoe burst.
And if you don't manage to finish people off with that 700 damage burst they are going to ass frick you with the thickest, biggest charged r2 up your butthole.
>I just think they suck compared to faith spells, I like lorettas bow, ice storm, weapon spells, but comparatively I have whole ass characters for each of the faith spell school themes (fire, lightning, holy)
Compared to Faith spells, Int spells win out because you can put an entire arsenal of them and swap to whichever does best for the situation, or do spell combos that achieves what Faith spells do much better due to the way staff casting animations work compared to seal animations.
Int spells rule actually.
yeah they're so good my int character biases towards ashes of war over spells. (which does far more damage and again ice storm, which is a status effect)
It’s not even good at 60/60
60/60 PoD staff is outperformed by 70 INT Carian Regal. Assuming Wretch start (for simplicity, it doesn’t change much friending on class) that’s 100 points of investment being beaten by 60 points of investment.
PoD as the overleveled shitter NG+++ staff would be fine, if INT/FAI got an earlier option. But Gelmir Staff is irredeemable garbage. Why could it not be exact copy of Golden Order Seal? Why is it like 30% worse than it’s exact counterpart? While also being way harder to get.
I said until after 60/60, not at.
It's only outperformed by duel Staff of Loss at that point and only because night comet needs a nerf.
Gelmir staff fills me with rage, it's so cool looking but so needlessly shit. Makes things worse that all magma spells are accessible at bare minimum faith meaning if you want to go magma its better to just do a high int build with some early incant utility.
Best way to do an Int/Faith build is to play it as a standard Int build early on in my opinion.
Skill issue. Packing a repertoire of sorceries to answer most situations (and possibly one or two Ash of War weapons to fill a niché) remains king for Int builds.
Every day I hope for a patch that re-works INT/FAI builds to not be shit
> buff Gelmir Staff so it’s scalings are exact match of Golden Order Seal
> fix bug where Weapon Buffs and Healing Incants (and the frenzy grab) don’t scale properly with staffs/seals that have split scaling
> re-work Magma Blade, Magma Whipcandkestick, Inquisitiors Grandiole, Blasphemous Blade, Inseperable Sword, Goldsn Order Greatsword, Golden Epitah, Deaths Poker, Helphen Steeple, Death Ritual Spear and Rosus Axe to give them all INT + FAI scaling, that affects their Magic/Holy/Fire damage, while lowering their STR/DEX scalings to compensate.
Why the frick is there three schools of INT+FAI Magic, each with a selection of thematic weapons, but said weapons are either INT or FAI, never hybrids.
I’m convinced they ran out of time and placeholders got left in game.
Arcane as a stat was saved at literal last second. Play version 1.00 and there’s litterally, ZERO arcane scaling somber weapons. Zero, not a single one.
They re-did Arcane’s entire existence in patch 1.02 which dropped mid way through review period. There’s lets plays on Youtibe of people playing with review copies, and Rivers of Blood is a Faith weapon.
Magma sorceries are explicitly an INT school with a FTH tax. Only ghostflame and fundamentalist are true INT/FTH spells.
>Only ghostflame and fundamentalist are true INT/FTH spells.
And the death spells.
https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/3623
now its gud
Someone help me. The other day I read a comment that said a basic normal weapon (I think a hammer or a dagger) was mediocre on everything except Malenia where it absolutely smokes her with the staggers. I can't find this comment again and forgot where I read it. Does anyone know what weapon he was talking about
I don't recall a comment like that, but I've seen someone using an Iron Cleaver with Cragblade do very well against Malenia. Granted, that was a very skilled player in general, but it's still a generally underused weapon that was faring very well against Malenia.
Dunno what specific weapon they're talking about but dual hammer jumping L1s deal a ton of stagger, which is the most broken mechanic in the game. Works on everything besides maybe crucible knights.
That's one of the best colossal weapons in the game and is one of the most kino weapons in the franchise.
>almost fell for it before I read the colors
Kek, frick you anon
I'm using Vyke's right now and I fricking hate it against Malenia it's only good for AoE spam. Still better than Niall's foot.
Ok I just beat her with it. This is probably better against any other boss but I just don't like polearms ig. Suck with spears and halberds. Maybe this is way better with a great shield.
Just tried serpent hunter with a shield. That was way better, with both shield and 2h. The serpent-hunter just feels better to use.
kino
I just made a str/int gravity build and I'm powerstancing these with the Lion Greatbow in my back pocket, feels good man.
Onyx Lord's is another grav weapon that's pretty fun to use and is slept on.
I love the Ichimonji attack, wish other katana weapons had it
>Let the thrill of discovery and playing the game be ruined for him by min maxing
Back in the 80s/90s you would not have played video games and would have made fun of the kids who did. You don't care about playing video games and you don't even like it.
Thoughts on this big boy? I love hammers.
>*BONK*
enemies have NO ANSWER to this even after more than a decade of soulsgames
p good
golem halberd is still my favorite colossal though
Elden Ring should have some way to duplicate a weapon so you can power stance matching weapons in NG
more of a late game weapon since its so stat hungry. try it with one of the roar ashes that replaces the shitty r2.
>try it with one of the roar ashes that replaces the shitty r2
>shitty r2
Black person the heavy attack is the best thing about it. Even fully charged it comes out relatively fast, has a lot of forward momentum so you can back up a fair distance and line it up as an enemy approaches you, and it looks cool. I either used Earthshaker to cover it's weakness of not having any AoE during general play, or Cragblade against bosses.
is that maxed out with buffs?
holy shit how much did they buff fist weapons like star fist and iron ball?
I deal more damage with them compared to that
any reason why you aren't running golden vow and flame gms?
guess that's why I thought it was low
I dunno, I just couldn't be fricked I guess.
Rolled with it for a while on my first playthrough. The novelty of the one turn over swing was funny for a while, but it wasn't very practical. I eventually decided it wasn't worth the weight, and put it up for a couple of colossal great swords.
I might try it again on my NEW strength build. This time, I'm playing more of an animalistic character, duel wielding clubs and roaring and going all on in offense. So who knows, maybe it will be useful again when I'm leveled up. Or, I might just dualwield stormhawk axes.
If you don't want to go for a colossal give the regular great hammers a go, I really like the moveset.
Brick hammer, great mace, great Stars, any of those.
Got a + 22 Giant Crusher and 80 STR at the moment... it is fun how it pretty much trivializes any enemy (even tanky ones like omens without their horns cut), 2 charged R2 and they get staggered and open for a critical that in most cases kill them.
Added that Royal Knights Resolve ash of war as well for a buff of 80% damage on the next hit that connects, it is so fricking broken... but really fun.
Dual Great Stars is pretty stupid.
The poise damage on the jump attacks is only 10% lower than dual Colossal, and two of them weight less than a single Giant Crusher.
You also get healed on every swing because of the passive.
And then there's also the innate bleed.
Black Flame, Flame of Frenzy, Frenzied Burst, Rotten Breath.
I also like Crucible Horn and Tail, the hyper armor is really good when you're in a tough position to cast other spells, and PVE enemies won't effortlessly dodge them.
Tail is specially good for situations where you're surrounded by small, fast enemies like dogs and rats.
Remember to take advantage of this weapons high Guard Boost. 64 is lower Greatshield tier, coupled with the Great Shield Talismin you have a very good Guard Counter weapon.
It's Guard Counter is a swift, satisfying pancaking.
Prelate's basically the same but with better range. You can 3 or 4 shot most bosses just by stacking damage on the charged attacks
a worthy heir of the Kirk hammer
It's okay, I personally preferred the executioners great axe because you could swing it faster and it did similar damage.
Any rape chads?
does the great peepee count?
Sure! I beat malenia with pic related.
I had the rapier as a side arm for quick kills and crits on my dex Landsknecht build with the Zweihander and Pulley Crossbow.
For me, it's the rapier, buckler, high page set with aristocrat's hat.
Love me antspur
I've been playing the pvp for this game and it's baffling
>Invader shoots a greatbow at me, missing every shot
>Get within 1 mile of him
>He eats every buff in the game, prawn, exalted flesh, physic etc
>Wait for a minute before proceeding
>His buffs run out as the fight gets started
>He pulls out 2 great spears
>He dies immediately trying to trade with my UGS
What is going on with this, this exact scenario has happened 8 times today
idk its probably clueless new people trying out invasions.
A lot of PvPgays are genuinely shit at the game and have only watched streamers.
a bunch of stream watching morons are going back to the game to prep for DLC and they all just copy whatever is the current thing with the streamer cancer
>filtered by a good weapon
Fricking moron
Is it just me or is Maliketh is a push over? Experience aside (played ER when it came out), Maliketh's HP is pretty low for a boss and died pretty quickly using my bleed build.
he barely leaves any openings to attack in p2 but 2 charged L2s from Siluria's Woe ended him
everything that bleeds is a pushover vs a bleed build
I really didn't understand what the big deal was with him. His moveset was tricky, but not especially difficult. One combo in particular left him wide open for several hits with my dual greataxe build. I can't imagine how much easier it would be with faster weapons. And just like you said, he has really low health.
This is one of my favorite weapons in the game. It has fire damage, so double boosts from Flame grant me strength and fire scorpion charm (fire damage is also great in ER). Also has very fast swings for a colossal weapon and has a great weapon art (and just looks great aesthetically). Yes there are higher damage dealing weapons, but it's one of the better weapons in the game, no idea what you're on about.
I can't be the only one.
Double anchor with a gay pirate build is overwhelming.
For me it's int + dex with Glintstone Phalanx spam on a cold misericorde
Don't mind me, just breaking your game tee hee
legit more broken than blasfemess brade
After doing all that shit, (You) will have leveled up and the rest of the game will feel easy. That whole challenging sequence of obstacles trains your platforming, combat, observation, and problem solving. It’s next level game design, really
Doing a boring knight build for a fresh playthrough, which I will carry over into NG+ for the DLC.
What is a good combo of longsword + spear + shield? No magic of course, so INT and FTH scaling weapons are out of the window, though I will be using whatever greases I can farm up.
Pathetic
it has a cool weapon art though
Yeah it’s just too cool.
>best weapon in the game is in a random cave guarded by a shitty weak boss on the entrance of Caelid
>Moonveil
>best
did I get transported back to launch day
Moonveil is still at the top due to how spammable it is.
Regular Unsheathe is already so fast that it can be freely used against bosses as if it were a regular swing, and Moonveil can do it from a safe range.
how do I stop making no magic bonk knight
>No story
>Barren open world
>No challenge
>Invasive tutorial slides, instead of optional writings like in the other games
>Dualwielding makes the game even more trivial
>Input reading
>Awful music
>Magic is overpowered
>No mimics
>Just summon ashes to win, bro!
>Bosses are easier to stagger now, meaning the game is even more casual friendly
>Most weapon abilities trivialize the game
>Like 75% of the game is optional
>No solo invasions
>No covenants, meaning that PvP has no point
>4 endings are the same (kek)
>Teleports (WHAT THE FRICK WERE THEY THINKING?????)
>Intro is a powerpoint slideshow
>"Altering costumes" system is the dumbest idea ever
>Fast travel
>Crafting is the most useless mechanic of all time
>They changed Malenia's white VA to some black foid for woke points (OH NO NO)
>All big bosses are garbage
>Cuck shit
>Feminist shit
>Simp shit
>Furry shit
>troony shit
>Gay shit
>Pedophile shit
>You have to simp for a woman in order to access some of the game's content (lmao)
>Paid DLC
>Final boss is a troony and a giant fish instead of kino old man battle like in literally all previous games
>Skyrim dungeons (that have no rewards)
>Boss reuse
>Asset reuse
>Worst camera ever
Is Elden Ring the worst game of all time?
>one of the coolest looking thrusting swords
>also the worst by far
>also the most difficult to obtain of all the thrusting swords, and one of the most difficult to obtain weapons in general
Tell me about it. I probably overleveled myself farming the group following the carriage near the bridge in Limgrave.
The only good thing about this stupid fricking twisterclub is that it spawned a fun weapon mod which honestly isn't very good either
>waaaah wahhhh
>i killed the boss, and my number didn't go up
>waaaaaaah
It breaks poise like a motherfricker and is faster than the other colossal swords, the only downsides are not working on a STR/FTH build (just build specifically for it then) and having a wonky slow WA, but then again you can abuse how well it breaks poise to land the WA instead of a critical hit. Just be aggressive all the time when you're using it.
Frick now I want to go back to my run focusing on it to clear everything I possibly can before the DLC drops
>He didn't go to Castle Mourn about 2 hours into the game, clear it, get the grafted greatsword and put all his runes from then on into strength to wield it.
Jumping slash to win the game homie.
Thou shalt beat the game
>Envoy's Long Horn
>possibly beat the game
Let's not pretend that shit works against anything smaller than the broad side of a barn
You can almost oneshot plussy with it
Because he has a fat ass. You're just using a middling FAI greathammer when you're fighting 80% of the game's enemies.
It's still one of the longest and strongest Greathammers in the game.
Most bosses get guardbroken in 3 or 4 jump L1s from those.
let's not pretend that anything but performance against bosses matters
>icerind hatchet in you beat the game
did they nerf it that hard?
also erdsteel dagger does great damage on a faith build with flaming strike
Ice Rind was always garbage. Hoarfrost Stomp was brokenly overpowered for a month when game was new, but even back then it was better to put Hoarfrost on any generic weapon than use Icerind. Icerind was just convenient for speed runners since going and getting Hoarfrost and upgrading another weapon would be huge waste of time for minimal benifits.
After Hoardrost got nerfed then Icerind stopped having any useful qualities, now it’s just a mediocre Axe (always was) with a mediocre (previously overpowered) generic ash of war.
What's wrong with the celebrant's dagger?
>fist weapons
>Didn't beat the game
What did i miss with those?
they got buffed super hard so they wreck shit now, big poise damage
decided on a new playthrough and I'm destroying the game with iron ball and star fist
charged attacks with talisman and buffs are huge and fast
>Knight Cavalry Halberd in "never even started"
Is it really that good? I've been using it and it's good, yeah, but it doesn't necessarily feel like it's putting me on easy mode or anything. Certainly not to the degree bleed weapons and frost (at least pre-nerf) and the like.
>Ice rapier in second to bottom tier
Just started a Ice int/dex build and was planning on using this, is it really that bad?
It is just weak overall, don't let that stop you though. It has a cool unique r2 attack and it lets you do the frostbite gimmick easily.
Don't worry I was going to use it regardless, just be disappointing if it was utterly terrible.
I guess it's damage is offset by the frostbite proc damage you'll be seeing. If you look at all the frost weapons it is going to be hitting the fastest to generate the proc outside of putting chilling mist on something faster. The hoarfrost axe, DMGS, Ice Spear ash, and Zamor Ice Sword are all slower.
the real reward is the peeler
The skill is bugged and lost its hyper armor.
It's still great for R1 spamming though, specially if you add the Bullgoat talisman that is also in that region of Caelid.
This weapon is ass and I'll still use it in the dlc.
Have they revealed anymore new weapon types since the trailer?
Wait, why were we in Farum Azula to retrieve the Rune of Death or whatever it was? The tree is already burning.
I think the tree was burning before at the forge, but it was more like an outside burn that it could theoretically recover from since desth wasn't unlocked
Once you unlock death by going full ATF on Marika's puppy the tree burns fr fr
You basically get the Melina/Frenzied Flame fire steroids to actually do its job.
The tree resists the burning because it can't die. It doesn't fully burn until Destined Death is released.
The journey is the reward. It's a white person thing.
>it's actually pretty shit
your ass did NOT play the game
it fricking rapes every enemy and bossin the game. the fact that it inflicts blackflame alone puts it at a high-tier by itself
Well yeah we've already talked to death about how shit the rewards are for exploring in ER.
wat are some good pve faith spells besides lightning spear
all you need is lightning spear and black flame
Pest threads on big bosses
Scarlet Aeonia
Frenzied Burst to snipe targets and frick over shield enemies
Gurranq Stone to pressure enemies
Always keep Feral Vitality on, it saved my ass so many times
Dragonbolt Blessing to harden in response to physical trauma
blackflame spells are SSS tier
I have nothing for you, but antspur and frozen needle destroy pvp shitters, they get so fricking mad at getting dual rapiered (raped)
Ancient Dragon Lightning can melt bosses but you have to time it right, like Comet Azure.
coded sword
wearing some altered magic robes and low defence pants so I look like a knight who is out of their usual armor
Throwing lightning bolts from one hand and doing the cool coded blade special attack that goes thru shields with the other hand
its fun and looks cool
Sith Lord cosplay
>hey this out of the way item is glowing purple with the intensity of ten suns, must be something super cool and rare!
>1 Arteria Leaf
The sound effect is what does it for me.
>Crafts some of the strongest consumables in the game
Don't mind if i do
Do you think the early game consumables being kind of shit is to trick people into not realizing the Perfumes are some of the best items in the game? Feels like the kind of shit they'd pull.
yeah they are useful but they should still have a normal drop glow imo
oddly specific grievance. I beat tower godskin early and used this bad motherfricker to beat radahns head in, colossals are good. not to mention the black flame % damage ash of war.
>whoops it's not really better than your standard weapons that you upgraded already
Welcome to every Soulshit game ever made. The weapon upgrade system has always sucked and made finding new weapons/equipment extremely unrewarding. I would say Souls games are only marginally better than BotW when it comes to how pointless and underwhelming the loot is.
kek such a moronic flimsy design for no reason lmao. Dont even want to play this game if its filled with even more ebin weapons than DS3
>Godslayer
>shit
homie what?
Yeah I did a faith run and that fricking sword is the ugly duckling of faith weapons I was looking forward to getting it and doing an dex / faith build then I realized it is inferior to so many other weapons at a lower stat investment and then the weapon art... I thought it was a lasting buff when I realized it was literally just a slow swing with some flames I threw it in the trash.
I then respec'd my build went full 80 faith and just used banished knight GS x2 one holy one flame art infused enough end. to mid roll with my armor then topped up health and put the rest of my points in mind so I can use loads of incantations and healing and it was great fun.
Forgot my screenshot.
I use a whip to kill those annoying ass eagles in Stormveil and CFA.
shoot the barrel (or birb) with fire arrows, free xp and feathers
sex with elves
Gravitas fricks them up
>talking shit about the SEXslayer Greatsword that has the most busted AOW in the game along with the sexiest UGS moveset (unique)
subhuman Black person
> weapon looks cool
> brainlets are underwhelmed with damage
> gets dismissed in public consciousness as bad weapon
> actually super strong if you know how to set it up
> feel superior to idiots who don’t know
> becomes the catalyst for obnoxious Insta kill glitch that From has tried, and failed, to fix 3 seperate times, new method is always discovered. Weapon now has reputation of being a cheaters last resort when losing pvp
So close.
It's a pretty decent weapon for duels, I like to use it with an offhand bleed dagger.
Not that great for invasions though as people can just keep running away with no consequences.
it's not really better than your standard weapons
blind playthroughs are the best
I really cherished the 15 hours I spent without knowing where the first smithing stone cave was, it was really fun
My beloved...
I hope we got more godskin/GEQ stuff in the dlc
GEQ 3-phase boss incoming.
Phase 1 is Priscrla/Friede knock off, invisible woman with scythe, follow foot prints to see where she is gimmick
Phase 2: retreats into a cocoon taking 0.05x damage and 0.2x poise damage. Summons Godskin Duo. Breaking Cacoon’s poise makes her fall out for dps without bonus defense active.
Phase 3: utter insanity of attacks and Blackflame particle effects everywhere. Malenia 2.0 but with way more ranged attacks instead of gap-closing melee.
Melina is the GEQ
Why people complain about stat shit so much..?
Just respec your shit to Lucaria lol
no class respec, no deleveling, and autism.
>no class respec
Should've started out with the club class, fool
>no deleveling
Why tho? for what purpose
wretch isn't optimal for everything
>why though?
for matchmaking or maybe you just get bored and want to challenge yourself, but nope you're stuck at level whateveryoucappedat
>for matchmaking or maybe you just get bored and want to challenge yourself, but nope you're stuck at level whateveryoucappedat
Then..
Just dont level up????
Theu should add a way to buy larval tears in the DLC
FINALLY
i can shitpost again
ban gone
>stance break + flame shrouding cracked tear
>Flame Grant me strenght
>Golden Vow
>Fire Scorpion talisman
>Shard of Alexander
>AOW on stancebroken enemies
It's an absolute fricking Black personcrusher with the moronic AOW damage + blackflame that procs twice during the AOW
It also has UGS poise break numbers while being as fast as a normal GS and it's one of the only weapons in the game to have a true unique moveset
Go upgrade it anon and give it a try, you'll love it
thank you, miyazaki - sama. I will use this to the best of my ability.
4 decides my DLC build.
Or should I go with the simp ending?
Final stats and setup
When I got the sword I was at the minimum stats to use it. I transitioned my build from Strength/Faith to Dex/Faith just for this sword. 2.5k damage per weapon art is insane.
>Beast Champion Set (w/ the Blackflame Monk hood because damn that's a ugly helmet)
>Kite Shield (the one with a cool eagle)
>Stormhawk Axes powerstanced
>Dragon Halberd
>Crucible and Beast Incantations
My Beast Warrior set was the weakest of my three builds but the most fun
I was using the Stormhawk Axe with an offhand Cinquedea recently and it worked pretty well.
The fast slashes are a great way to annoy people until they get careless and run into the Stormhawk L2.
O Flame becomes really strong after you get Godfrey's Icon and the Giant Seal, before that I think Frenzy and Black Flame Incantations are just better.
It really is sinful how ugly the beast helmet is. The shoes for the beast champion set too actually. It’s a lot like how the unaltered banished knight set would be perfect if it weren’t for the fricking duck shoes.
The feet are not the best but they are not distracting enough for me at least. Helmet for me is the main one and while I can respect Fromsoft bold approach, it does not worj for me at all. A shame coz the rest of the set is baller, especially with the cape added
>”beast build”
>uses crucible incants
>doesn’t use the beastman weapons
>doesn’t use the goddamned beastclaw greathammer
Disgusting.
>uhh ackstually sweaty you can use stuff the beast in the title
I pity you, you low-IQ unimaginative smoothbrain
Trying too hard to be moronic. Anons will only laugh at you.
If you’re stepping outside of beast themed shit it’s no longer a beast warrior. It’s not even about the titles of what’s used, it’s about things that are used to related to them. Hell you could get away with using vyke’s dragon bolt blessing and honed bolt since the farum beastmen use variants of them both.
>you are le outside my autism definition sweaty
Cry harder about it nerd. I'm gonna use porpucine Crucible too when I get the DLC btw
>um ahcktually my build is totally (thing that its not)!
Sorry you chose to be wrong and had to find out this way.
Are the flame incantations any good? Speaking mostly from a PvE standpoint? I was trying out O FLAME which I think is liek greater combust and it seems so ass. Same with FLAME O WHIRL or whatever.
Catch Flame is broken
Brehs, it's my first run ever, wanted to back my save later to get all endings in one run but I fricked up, I went after the crazy flames and now Melina hates me.
How can I salvage this? I know about the needle but I want Melina to talke to me again.
On Steam is there a way to go back to a certain point?
Stop being a gay and do another run
Also Melina never comes back after you take the flame of frenzy even if you use the needle
Frick...
I guess I will. Then do you know a way to track down what I missed in the game in terms of equipments?
I pratically did a blind completionist run. I don't think I missed many dungeons (even tho, I entered some, lit the fire and left to keep them for later, only to forget wich one it was on the map). So at least I can directly go to their locations and ignore what I already did.
For the quests, I know. I failed Blaidd, Patch's quests.
She warned me but ngl it didn't make sense in the way that when I was following Fia's quest, she asked me to be or child the Prince of Death. Wich sounded equally fricked up to me but Melina didn't say a word.
That’s because Fia’s questline doesn’t melt the entire world into fricking slag. It reintroduces the concept of death to the world and makes it so people don’t automatically try to kill those who live in death.
Erf, my fricking bad, I knew something was up, I deserve it. Now I have to unwingilly burn the whole world. I don't even care tbh, I just wanted Melina to still pop up once in a while to talk about the world.
You are roleplaying so it doesn't matter.
Me? Or my character?
Or is it another specific game meme I don't know about.
It doesn't matter.
>unwillingly
No one made you go down into the sewers or do the shitass jump puzzle. This was a willing decision the moment you pulled off your armor and touched that door.
Motherfricking Shabriri made me do it for the cool looking armor he had. I should have killed this loud gay.
Shabriri floated the suggestion to you. He didn’t make you turn around and go back to the capital. He didn’t throw you down the well, make you traverse the sewers, or fight Mohg. He didn’t force you at knife point to use the secret entrance and parkour down to the door. If you truly cared about Melina you’d have splattered him across the snow the second she told you she decided her own fate for his presumption, pilfered the arumor from his corpse, and forgotten about it. It was you anon. It was always you.
Lolno. You lose the girl no matter what. From really wanted to twist the knife for the people that wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Honestly I hope that they double down and the needle happens to give you access to some really neat shit if given to Miquella rather than being used to quell the flame.
This post is roleplay so anon can cry about melina for no reason.
Always the problem with Fromslop, exploration is only rewarded in terms of enemy encounters. Actual loot is crap given the best weapon is always the weapon you've been upgrading from the start and learning a whole new moveset is a waste of time.
Not actually a problem.
It became a problem in Elden Ring when the enemy encounters ran out 2 hours in.
> explore dungeon #3649634
> fight beheaded ghost knight Darian #40
> gain twin soul blade that immediately goes deep into storage with the other hundred
It actually isn't a problem.
I'll frick your ass
That sounds like what the kids call a skill issue.
ngl with you guys, i'm not sure if i'm gonna come back for the dlc. i just dont got the motivation after beating the game a couple times already. burnt out i guess.
Taking a few months off playing did wonders
having million weapons of which 90% are ass is BAD GAME DESIGN and I will NOT BACK DOWN
I loved the awesome weapons.
> He doesn't know nor care about fashion soul
Peasant
Name the ten percent that you think aren’t ass. Your answers will determine whether your taste is based or complete shit.
I was exaggerating I like most of the weapons.
No backtracking now frickboy, we’re strapped in for the ride. Give me names.
It would be all the weapons pretty much.
>just finished a playthrough in preparation for the DLC
>immediately get the urge to start another
fug
Just play something else for a few weeks.
The "all weapons can be special and cool for all stages of the game" mentality needs to die. Frick upgraded random standard broadswords being just about as good if just a little worse than The Holy Sacred Godslayer Angelic Broadswords.
>I want filler weapons which are fricking shit so nobody uses them
Then why have them in the first place? You fricking Black person.
It would not be filler weapons young homie, it's for progression. Black person why do you think it's nice to use the same weapon you found 7 hours in for the rest 15 hours of gameplay with no upgrades just optional change of weapon having new aesthetics or a new moveset that feels more cool or something but performs about the same AND you also have to spend a bunch of materials to upgrade your same quality new weapon you picked up for the sake of the changey feeling.
>you should need to be pigeonholed in only using a small selection of special weapon to do decent damage on endgame
Never get into game balance