Symmetrical sticks simply make more sense. In a 3d game, most of the time your thumb will rest on the other stick by default for camera controls, whereas your thumbs will always be on just the buttons in a 2d game. Having your thumbs be asymmetrical for most of the time is just moronic.
The Duke was built for a man's hands get those sissy jap controllers out of here
That's an ogre not a man.
Ogre is a man.
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Not really. If symmetry even mattered then you would prefer asymmetrical stick placement because your thumbs would remain symmetrical. But symmetry doesn't matter and the left stick should go in the primary position because it is used 99% of the time.
>primary position
heres where most of you morons get it wrong.
The top left isn't the "primary" position on dual stick controllers, its actually in between the d-pad and the joystick.
>In a 3d game, most of the time your thumb will rest on the other stick
Only true for competitive first person shooters
Please list some games from the past 5 years that don't require you to constantly move back and forth between the face buttons and the right stick that also have you using the left stick as movement (2d platformers don't count since the Dpad is superior for those)
>constantly move back and forth between the face buttons and the right stick
But that's the thing. Almost every game but competitive first person shooters have you moving from stick to buttons constantly, which is why idgaf where the right stick or button are placed. Left stick is non negotiable.
Left stick being lower feels better to me than being higher, but I hold my controller with my hands more at an angle than parallel
That's because sony controllers force you to hold your controller at shitty angles and you just got used to it
but when i casually lay my hands in my lap they are tilted at an angle and not parallel?
Seems like Sony is a more natural angle then.
Reminds me of those "natural" keyboards that are curved.
Those curved keyboards are actually much more comfortable if you type in the standard home row style, but nobody really does anymore unless they went to school for typing.
>but when i casually lay my hands in my lap they are tilted at an angle and not parallel?
No they aren't , that's just a coping mechanism. I found a good classic controller you might like since this is how your hands naturally are apparently
>just tilt your hands bro
Now this is a bad faith argument
You just said your thumbs naturally rest in the secondary position
>but when i casually lay my hands in my lap they are tilted at an angle and not parallel?
Huh?
sit in a chair and rest your hands in your lap and tell me what you see.
better yet, dare you to take a pic and post it.
>Hands tilted at a slight angle
>Shoulder width apart
Where's my wide controller anon? Or better yet a split controller, so I can keep my hands at any angle.
You understand that the angled grips are there...to keep your hands angled, right?
And while that's ergonomic for a unibody controller, it is ultimately always better to be able to naturally adjust your posture and position to be slightly different at will. Keeping the same pose indefinitely, even an ergonomic pose, is bad for you.
So if this controller
had angled grips you would be ecstatic with your new retro controller with perfectly placed inputs?
>retro
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>better yet, dare you to take a pic and post it
Not falling for your weird fetish gay
>most of the time your thumb will rest on the other stick by default for camera controls
This is only true in FPS. In a third person game you have one hand on the stick for movement and the other hand on the buttons for actions. Who the frick is playing FPS on a console lmao
WiiU pro is the perfect controller, feels right in the hand, buttons aren't ass and battery lasts forever
Yeah, but the pedostation controller's sticks are ina stupid position and too close together. Dpad and face buttons should not exist.
I will never forgive nintendo for killing pointer controls.
There is an alternate timeline that Sega actually believed in the Saturn as a 3D console and made a controller with symmetric d-pads.
It doesn't matter unless you're a thumblet.
Having two analog sticks does not make sense.
The right analog stick is most frequently used for camera and cursor control, it does not make sense for this to be an input with a deadzone or a true neutral that it returns to, and the amount of variation you have in analog stick input is just too small to get a decent amount of accuracy or snappiness.
You would be much better off with a touchpad, rather than a right analog stick. You can swipe from one arbitrary point to another at many speeds, haptic feedback can emulate trackball feedback and there is no deadzone. Gyro input can then supplement that input further.
Ultimately as long as you rely on just an analog stick you can't get much better than camera control for a 3D platformer or for a game with Z-targeting, unless you want the game to handle a lot of the input for you (character snapping to enemies or objects when you hit context sensitive prompts, bullet magnetism/aim assist) and deliberately introduce a lot of slow segments that allow the player to line up their cursor with an object (cover based shooting, ADS, stealth segments, slow motion). The reliance on the analog stick naturally led to the moviegame, simply because the game was already playing itself to accommodate it in games it was unsuited for.
For what it's worth the second stick was originally there for vehicle controls, which it is admittedly much less used for since they put in those analog triggers that make almost every game in any other genre worse.
Wii U pro is the best by far. Clawing with the stick above the face buttons is extremely intuitive - clawing a stick is much more natural than clawing face buttons. If you still use thumb for both right stick and buttons I am so sorry. Back buttons are also good though.
have a nice day. Wiiu killed the wiimote+nunchuck.
Man I don't give a frick about that. The WIi U Pro is an incredible controller in every way, it's my number 1 choice for PC. the console itself is irrelevant.
>look mom I posted enough moronic nonsense nobody wants to waste their time replying to me seriously, I'm winning the argument
>Quality of modern controllers has completely gone out the window
>Hall effect sticks come along to make sticks somewhat reliable again
>There isn't a single controller with hall effect sticks that also has a symmetrical design
>Not even 200+$ "pro" controllers have hall effect sticks
They're just fricking with us at this point.
We've had alps shit for decades, too. But they never had failure rates as high as this past generation. Fricking controllers coming out the box with drift.
That shit really gets me, who wants to shell out $200 for an Xbox Elite or Dualsense Edge when they've still got the same flaws as the base controllers that means you'll need to replace them within a year anyway? It's fricking insanity.
Not even just that. You go to these custom controller shops like scuf and NONE of them offer hall effect joysticks as an option despite charging upwards of 500$ for a controller.
Bow down to your launch spec DualShock 3 god
it doesn't matter how symmetrical you are you're still lifting thumbs off of the sticks regularly in many games to do anything with the buttons
Imagine being a poorgays and not just owning all the controllers
If Xbox controllers are so much better, then why isn't the right stick placed where the face buttons go?
>because you use those buttons mo-
No you don't. Any 3D game that would warrant an analog stick being used as a primary control also requires your right finger to be constantly on the right stick so you can control the camera, while all action is done with the trigger buttons, and the face buttons are only used for secondary inputs.
Imo symmetrical sucks ass for me.
Since I only use controller for Racing games and souls stuff, I rarely use camera controlls.
And having thumbstick-facebuttons at same height is perfect for me.
XB360 controller is the goat